Community Species Suggestions

[ancient ibex]

Keep in mind this is from 1988, he was 33 back then

He is now 70 and doing the same moves

[austere sparrow]

Yeah; I guess age probably doesn't help with this variety of bullshit, huh

[slim flare]

3 Tyrannosaurus species
2 Nanotyrannus species
2 Stygivenator species

[low bridge]

Sivatherium Maurisium was discovered by Mau so we need Sivatherium Maurisium in Prehistoric Kingdom

🫨🫨

[austere sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcsXGHl_hwg

[left spear]

That made me look at gigantophitecus which lead me to homínidos in general and holy orangutan range US depressing

There used to be a viatnamese species even

Anyways since Giganto is mid i was looking at Sivapithecini in general and damm

It's literally only jaws

The most complete one is sivapithecus with half a skull

So no Big monkeys i guess

[slim flare]

What about an extinct Cenozoic birds list?

[left spear]

I mean

Was there a doubt to begin with

[slim flare]

That one is just weird

Obviously there’s the 200 Late Pleistocene to Holocene species, but prior to that?

Terror birds, Gastornis, Argentinavis, Pelagornis, what else?

Big penguins

[austere sparrow]

Dromornis

[silver steeple]

I hear Genyornis thrown around a lot

[austere sparrow]

Teratornis maybe but. Argentavis is one of those so Idk

I am partial to Sylviornis

[silver steeple]

Sylvornis would be RE yeah?

[austere sparrow]

Not sure. Probably?

[silver steeple]

Its from New Caledonia so I assume so

[austere sparrow]

1500 BC

[silver steeple]

Was about to say

[steep tulip]

Sylviornis would be so cool

[silver steeple]

I'd say that probably counts as RE

[austere sparrow]

Yeah

Probably too obscure for RE DLC tho

😔

[silver steeple]

I could see it happen if they did some sort of "sequel" to an RE pack

[steep tulip]

The original pack was like all extinct animals in the last 2000 years

[austere sparrow]

Fingers crossed

[steep tulip]

I hope they do a sequel or change the requirements

[silver steeple]

You assume that was a requirement to begin with

[austere sparrow]

I mean

[steep tulip]

That's what was written in it

[austere sparrow]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume they won't add Oligocene animals in the recently extinct DLC

Unless maybe as alts but. Doubt that

[silver steeple]

Well ofc

[steep tulip]

Tho ig they could have just added it after deciding what to pick

[silver steeple]

But my point is that you can pick any arbitrary point post pleistocene and call it "Recently Extinct" lol

[slim flare]

Yeah, good one

But I’m exclude LP to Holocene species because they’re simply too obvious

[austere sparrow]

Dromornis isn't LP

[slim flare]

I know

[austere sparrow]

Right

[slim flare]

Teratornis and Genyornis are

[austere sparrow]

Oh true, oops

[silver steeple]

Fair enough

Unfortunately that's where most suggestions lie

[austere sparrow]

There's Copepteryx

[slim flare]

In the Mesozoic, being a regular ass duck was impressive alone, but in the Cenozoic… yeah who cares?

[silver steeple]

Heh

[austere sparrow]

Beeeg penguinoid Cormorant

Oh! Presbyornis is Eocene, I think?

[silver steeple]

Sorta

[austere sparrow]

Presbyornithids were around earlier

[silver steeple]

There's Pre-KPG species prior

Of Presby proper

[austere sparrow]

Huh. Neat

Might be fun for that reason alone

Presbyornis, Leidyosuchus, and uh, maybe some others. KPG survivor DLC

[silver steeple]

@faint oak its time to go to bat for your son

[slim flare]

Brachychampsa?

[faint oak]

WHERE

[silver steeple]

That is probably the only chance to get Champso

[silver steeple]

Its Presbyornis time

[faint oak]

Styginetta is cool and Trevornis too

Real af

Trevornis is nemegt

[silver steeple]

Styginetta is the one I was thinking of lol

[faint oak]

Stygi is hc

Yep lol

[silver steeple]

Easy enough to alt

[austere sparrow]

Damn, Champsosaurus... Remember this ones name being in the Disneys Dinosaur game, for some reason on Dimetrodons and giant monitors

[faint oak]

Shame it’s still only from a thesis but whatever

If it’s good enough for Prehistoric Planet it’s good enough for Prehistoric Kingdom

🙏

[silver steeple]

Lmao

[austere sparrow]

Cool! Mini material but cool

[silver steeple]

But yeah Presby with Styg alt would be neat

[austere sparrow]

...Presby isn't much bigger hm

[slim flare]

Damn, I should put Teviornis on the Mesozoic theropod list

[left spear]

Sylvi is a must for a Oceania pack

[austere sparrow]

I mean sure but like. What else would you even put in an Oceania pack lmao?

...I guess maybe Plesiosaurs if it comes after the Aquatic Expansion?

[silver steeple]

Dang I was thinking presbyornithids were larger as a whole for some reason

[austere sparrow]

Flamingoes, probably 😔

[silver steeple]

Yeah I was thinking they were closer in size lol

Guys are no taller than a swan unfortunately

[austere sparrow]

Yeah

Other birds, hm. There's the Stem-terrorbirds (Bathornithids I think?) and Masillaraptor

[silver steeple]

Bathornithids are mostly unrelated to phorusrhacids

I think they're generally considered Cariamiformes but that's as close as they get

Funny enough I mentioned them recently as well

[austere sparrow]

Well, Cariamiformes is Cariamiformes. You got what I was triyng to convey.

[silver steeple]

There was an idea going around a few years ago that they might be closer related to Hoatzins but idk if that still holds any water

Either way they're still very much seriama/secretary bird-esk predators

[slim flare]

Oh there’s that giant ground parrot

[silver steeple]

?

[left spear]

All of NC and some NZ and Australia leftovers

You could easily make like a 12 species long list

[left spear]

Heracles? Because It could fly

[austere sparrow]

I mean but. Assuming we already got a Recently extinct DLC and an Australia DLC, tho...

[left spear]

Even with an Australia and RE there would still be significant leftovers

[plush nacelle]

Haast eagle would alone sell it

[left spear]

That areas diversity is stupidly massive

[slim flare]

It’s presumed not to

PK, 2035 (🤞 )

[austere sparrow]

Bird DLC might go hard

Idk

Depends on how good the other DLCs are at giving us a healthy dose of birb

[sharp plinth]

Atleast it's not the isle bro 🙏

[slim flare]

I do wonder where the PK roster is going

[sharp plinth]

A few universal resets and we finally get carchar in the isle

[slim flare]

Like right now (minus terrariums), it’s all mammals and non-avian dinosaurs

[sharp plinth]

I really want atleast small aquatics

Max size like

Anomlocaris

[slim flare]

There’s some indications this could change by release, with Deinosuchus and Kelenken

[sharp plinth]

And defo pterosaurs

Quetz would be difficult to contain due to its large size but it would be peak

[slim flare]

But from there… what? Will future free updates round it out more? Will it be limited to DLC? Will certain clades simply never come?

[silver steeple]

Obviously dinos are always gonna be the majority

[sharp plinth]

Ofc

[silver steeple]

I would like something closer to like a 60/40 dinos vs everything else

[plush nacelle]

We will turn into PZ and praise underdogs and throw shit at overrepresented dinosaurs

[silver steeple]

It'll probably be a lot more like 70/30 or 80/20

[sharp plinth]

Brotosaurus

Why

[silver steeple]

Its already like that

[sharp plinth]

I dont get it

Dinos are suppose to be the main thing so why complain

[plush nacelle]

Mammals are supposed to be main thing in PZ 🗿

[slim flare]

As of U15 tomorrow; it will be 80|20 dinosaurs to mammals non-terrarium

[sharp plinth]

I'm talking about PK

[silver steeple]

Makes sense

[plush nacelle]

With current ratio PK roster will be full of glupshittos

After few years

[slim flare]

Why

[silver steeple]

Even if you assume an approx 1 dino a month, you can get several years in without running into any super obscure dinos

[ancient ibex]

Presbyorns are cool

[plush nacelle]

I mean with 1 dino a month sure

[silver steeple]

There's no way we get more than 12 animals per year, given what we know about costs and procuction time

[left spear]

I would expect something like 1.8 dlcs a year

So around 5 animals a year

[plush nacelle]

Guys, if 5 or 12 animals per year is huge task after launch due to costs then PK is flop and there is no more content lol.

[silver steeple]

1 whole animal is approx $12,000

[feral cedar]

people were talking about GSP

I missed it

[silver steeple]

So a DLC of 5 animals is a total cost of 60k

Lets say that they price it at 10 bucks

That single DLC would have to sell 1000 units

Far from impossible

But something to keep in mind

For 1 animal a month, you're looking at $144,000 over the course of a year

[plush nacelle]

12k per animal sounds a lot until you realise this is like 860 copies sold using launch price

[silver steeple]

And yet they still needed to open a patreon to complete the game

They ain't made of money

[plush nacelle]

We talking about launch obviously, since it needs to be success

[silver steeple]

And PK is inherently in a very very niche genre

[austere sparrow]

Fucking everything is a niche game

[left spear]

Except niche

That's very mainstream

[plush nacelle]

I went back to old Mau comment and he expected EA to gross a little under million soon after launch, which it did after selling 100k copies (1,5m gross).
We would be absolutely cooked, if after proper launch PK still somehow were struggling to afford making more than 12 animals per year💀.

[silver steeple]

Its not just about the cost tho

[plush nacelle]

Good thing shit aint going to happen, PK is easily going to sell 300k copies at launch and we will be swimming in new animal additions

[silver steeple]

Its also production time

[plush nacelle]

Hire more devs, which Mau already said is going to happen, if PK sell very good

[flint sable]

thats really important

I do honestly think PK is gonna do exceptionally well at launch though

and we will continue to see more additions after U19

[plush nacelle]

We just need money

[wary nacelle]

I wanna suggest my favorite dinosaurs but my favorite dinosaurs are all one bone basically 😔

[slim flare]

I just don’t know how many people will buy PK at launch tbh

Most who want it probably bought it in EA

[slim flare]

Get better favourite dinosaurs

[left spear]

Don't worry Mau has a plan

He just needs one last big score

[wary nacelle]

No

[left spear]

Who are we refering to right now?

[austere sparrow]

Suggest away, we've probably heard worse suggestions by now anyway

[wary nacelle]

Wdym?

[left spear]

What species

[wary nacelle]

Oh… burianosaurus. It’s a Dryosaurus variant and it’s not really special but like, still cool. Europe

wait I just suggested it

[slim flare]

I don’t think it’s even a Dryosaur

[ancient ibex]

Tendanguru pack comes with a 4th Dryo skin working as Dysalotosaurus bwahaha

[flint sable]

ture....

[plush nacelle]

Erior is on something?

[austere sparrow]

Named after Burian? Neat

It might become a worthwhile addition once more bones are discovered

Dysaltosaurus, based 🤔

Retroactive alts would be pog

Kentro friendo

[ancient ibex]

Dysalotosaurus, Valdosaurus and Elrhazsaurus are for all intents and purposes Dryosaurus at Tendaguru, Wessex and Elrhaz

[wary nacelle]

Minmi

[ancient ibex]

Kunbarrasaurus is what you are looking for

[plush nacelle]

Plan sounds good so far. These additional herbivores and insectivores just need to be something catchy

And maybe surprise track rides

[wary nacelle]

No I’m looking at Minmi

Guys this is just like my favorite art of Burianosaurus lowkey

[flint sable]

thats my hope

[flint sable]

coty is one of them trust

[plain knoll]

more medium theropods and dromeosaurids in general would be better

[left spear]

Eh for dromeos we truly only need 2

Everything past that is more of a bonus

[ancient ibex]

Eh, they are a highly diverse clade

Even with Eudromies alone, 4 may be a good number

Microraptorians and Halzskaraptorines are good terrarium stuff, and for Unenlagians Buitre can be a terrarium animal as well

[outer moth]

Still praying that terrariums get better customization than in PZ

In terms of enrichment

And where the animals can be posed

[sharp dock]

you mean PZ?

[feral cedar]

Velociraptor, Utahraptor, Deinonychus, and the 4th one?

[lean hound]

Austro?

[sharp dock]

I rather have austro than deino

tee bee eich

[feral cedar]

Even if we ignore the new avialan study and assume austro is a dromaeosaur, it’s not within the Eudromaeosauria

Neither are halszkaraptorines and microraptorians

[feral cedar]

why not both

[sharp dock]

idk just in case they gotta trim resources or something

[feral cedar]

Ah

Tbh I honestly think the “base” roster for dromaeosaurs should’ve been Velo and Deinon, with Microraptor kept as a terrarium critter and Utahraptor reserved for a DLC

[dusky obsidian]

what species are confirmed until full release

[feral cedar]

Full exhibit animals?

[dusky obsidian]

nah like dinosaurs that can freely roam

[feral cedar]

Between publicly shared concept art and Mau’a occasional comment we know for an absolute fact

[plain knoll]

remind me, is pachycephalosaurus confirmed to be added to a roster?

[feral cedar]

Allosaurus
Baryonyx
Carnotaurus
Stegosaurus
Utahraptor

[dusky obsidian]

allosaurus and stegosaurus are gona be so sick

also i heard smth abt deinosuchus and ambulocetus getting added

[feral cedar]

We have reasonable suspicion that we’re getting pachy with the combat update

[dusky obsidian]

in update 18

[feral cedar]

Mau also hosted a poll on what the most popular terror bird is

[plain knoll]

well, he's ontogeny is quite interesting...

[feral cedar]

Assuming that this was for EA and that he actually abides to the results of the poll, we can also assume Kelenken will show up

[plain knoll]

thats why i asked...to see dracorex and stygimoloch in one shot basically

[ancient ibex]

NA Campanian-Maastrichian one

[feral cedar]

So basically Dromaeosaurus

Although maybe Atrociraptor, Saurornitholestes, or Acheroraptor..?

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, because Atrociraptor is weirdly popular for a snout tip

Prehistoric Planet did quite well the small stocky dude

But yeah, Velo and Dromaeo represent both the 2 geo distributions AND the 2 parallel morphotypes of late cretaceous Eudromies

[plain knoll]

troodontids would be interesting adition, as night animals, it would be interesting to see an update on day/night lifecycle of animals

[ancient ibex]

Deinonychus is a very solid animal, and Utah is an aberrant giant

[feral cedar]

ngl a Dromaeosaurus with a colder, more “foresty” skin would offer a nice contrast to Velo’s more arid, deserty skins

[ancient ibex]

That's also why I keep mentioning Saurornithoides as an alt for the likely NA Troodontine

[dusky obsidian]

wait do we have a protoceratops in the game

[ancient ibex]

For years

[final yarrow]

bro 😭

[hollow flower]

I also occasionally forget we have Styrac and Proto

[plush nacelle]

Deinon survied this far to have concept in original 50 roster style?

Idk it must come back

[lean hound]

There's no way it doesn't

It's the dromaeosaur

[plush nacelle]

Tbh without history with PK I would skew towards something else like said austroraptor or halszka

[outer moth]

Lmao my bad

Didn’t notice that mistake

But yeah PZ’s minis are less than desirable from a gameplay standpoint

[shell sonnet]

Halszka is terrarium material, not comparable to a full exhibit

[plush nacelle]

Doesn't change fact I would skew towards it

[ancient ibex]

And this is why Dromaeosauridae is overcrowded; those 2 half the time aren't recovered as such

Gotta embrace Unenlagiidae

[shell sonnet]

So you would be fine if we got Buitreraptor instead of Austro

[plush nacelle]

No

And thats only because I find buitera less interesting, not because it would end up in terrarium

[shell sonnet]

That's really the only difference between them that matters given how much of Austro is based on Buitera

[ancient ibex]

Unenlagiids are pretty much restored using Buitre and Austro as a basis

[plush nacelle]

I am simple person. Prehistoric planet sold austroraptor for me

[austere sparrow]

I would prefer Buitreraptor but I think the fanbase would go rabid if it got in over Austro so I'm trying not to root for it too hard

...I like my animals small and cute okay :V

[late swallow]

Tracks

[austere sparrow]

...I do think Buitre and Austro could coexist

And hold hands 🤝

[late swallow]

I'd reckon at a metre and a half, Buitre would be viable for full exhibit. Plus Candeleros synergy with Jiga

[austere sparrow]

Not sure they're alt material for each other but yeah

Jijanoutohsawrus

Buitre as the fox to Giga's Bear... 🤔

Referring to those fox/bear mixed enclosures... The ones that go tits up every so often oops

[shell sonnet]

I guess it is (close to) Taco size in terms of length

[ancient ibex]

I mean...

[austere sparrow]

🤔

[late swallow]

They're in lesbians

[late swallow]

These are skeletons with zero context to me

[shell sonnet]

They're scaled; the right is compy

[austere sparrow]

I believe those are Buitreraptor and Compsognathus - yeah

Pretty sure we're not using the full size Compy anyway for some fucking reason

[ancient ibex]

Velociraptor is also quite more heavily built than Buitreraptor

[austere sparrow]

Buitreraptor might be a skinny legend but it is stilty as hecc

It is taller than Veloc

[late swallow]

I don't see the point here

[ancient ibex]

I suppose I'd have a better judgment if Mononykus makes it in some shape, as Buitre is of comparable size

[austere sparrow]

You say that as if we haven't been debating on if Mono is mini sized or not for weeks back when we thought it was coming

And Buitre is slightly larger anyways

[ancient ibex]

And Velo's type is several times larger than Buitre

[austere sparrow]

...Also why the hell is your Buitreraptor so small anyway

[ancient ibex]

Because Paravians are small by default and may grow

[austere sparrow]

Are the ones I've been getting just oversized or something

[ancient ibex]

Ancestral state is roughly Anchiornis/Archaeopteryx in shape and niche

[ancient ibex]

The skeleton is surprisingly small

Deinonychus utterly dwarfs it for instance

[austere sparrow]

So I guess you're trying to convey it'd be a mini exhibit animal, then?

[silver steeple]

Yeah it was only cut in like 2020/21

[ancient ibex]

I believe it may be just as much on the fence as Mononykus, now that I've visualized them; if Mono is habitat Buitre has to be as well, if Buitre is mini Mono has to be so.

But hell if we know whether they are actually making it

[austere sparrow]

Not sure "has to be" is accurate

[shell sonnet]

Mononkyus feels the more likely of the two

[ancient ibex]

Austroraptor was the one in the DLC ideas after all, no sight of Buitre there

[austere sparrow]

Like. Tiktaalik is bigger than the cutoff and a mini. It is unlikely, but possible, that either Buitre or Mono has a good reason to be a mini that the other lacks

[ancient ibex]

Mono has the blurry tease

[shell sonnet]

could be an alt

[ancient ibex]

I thought so as well, but then looked at how tiny Buitre is

That's why I'm on the fence on that one

[austere sparrow]

Understandable hm

[ancient ibex]

Unenlagia as an alt works wonderfully ngl

[austere sparrow]

...Pyroraptor as an Austro alt?

[silver steeple]

Lmao

[austere sparrow]

Unenlagia would be neat

[shell sonnet]

Unenlagia comahuensis would be a contemporary of Megaraptor

[ancient ibex]

Precisely

[austere sparrow]

It's a bit frag but Buitre/Austro can fill the gaps

[ancient ibex]

Seen worse ngl

[silver steeple]

I think it's funny that despite being the namesake of the group, Unenlagia basically never gets talked about

[ancient ibex]

All in all, Unenlagiids and Megaraptorids have roughly enough material for one of them, with different sizes as alts lol

[shell sonnet]

Yeah that's about the same as what we've got for Austro (though we do have part of the skull of the latter)

[ancient ibex]

Growing larger as time went by, all around the same region

[late swallow]

I'm not sold on this 'all or nothing' mentality. There are also things to consider past specimen size, such as spacial needs

[ancient ibex]

That's true ngl

[hollow furnace]

Devs use a very scientific formula known as “vibes” to decide who is a terrarium and who is a full exhibit

[late swallow]

You speak wisdom

Also roster choices

[digital pendant]

more often than not people over complicate themselves on how things are chosen

[austere sparrow]

Mau keeps a Jurassic World obsessed iPad kid in his attic. He consults them for Roster addition choices.

...Mind he doesn't listen to them

But he considers their opinion more valuable than ours

🥲

[digital pendant]

sometimes we suffer more in imagination than in reality

[austere sparrow]

Damn. Slap that on a graphic and sell it to Facebook users

[ancient ibex]

Plateo gracilis got tulpa'd into the game after all lol

[shell sonnet]

I thought P. gracilis was valid

[steep tulip]

Fuzzy triassic animal is traversodon because it appeared once in when dinosaurs roamed america (even tho its from SA)

[austere sparrow]

Disgusting

We should find whoever was responsible and publically execute them without a trial

[steep tulip]

Its also the herbivore
Someone told me in a dream

[ancient ibex]

It is, but its addition was pretty much unplanned AFAIR; the size disparity on trossingensis got tweaked and one skin repurpossed as a second species

[slim flare]

They should vibe check Tiktaalik

[shell sonnet]

I guess you're right

[trail moth]

Shunosaurus
Anteosaurus
Inostrancevia and Gorgonops
Concavenator
Yangchuanosaurus
Barinasuchus
Kaprosuchus

[buoyant vault]

i would love yang or conca

[austere sparrow]

Much names, many genera

[buoyant vault]

barina and shuno are already in my top 10 for animals

[trail moth]

yang is awesome, also it's metriacanthosaurid rep and I love those in general

[buoyant vault]

can we get piatnitzkysaurus

[steep tulip]

Marshosaurus is better because I can pronounce it

[austere sparrow]

Piatnitzkysaurus is better because you can't pronounce it and I'm a filthy elitist

[wild relic]

Also another Morrison resident

Referring to Marsho

But honestly I like Piatnitzky more because it has a fun name to say

[buoyant vault]

marsho would be neat but piatnitzky is a lot more complete

[trail moth]

moschops and discokeryx are also up there for me

[wild relic]

The only downside I would say for Piatnitzky compared to Marsho is that Marsho actually has animals in the game that lived with it while Piatnitzky would be kind of a loner

[buoyant vault]

[wild relic]

Marshosaurus:

• less complete
• has animals in game that coexisted with it
  Piatnitzkysaurus:
• more complete
• no animals that shared its environment in game

[steep tulip]

Tbf

I don't think they are that different from eachother

Maybe they could be alts

[lean hound]

What are those animals

[wild relic]

Two Jurassic theropods

[steep tulip]

Theropods of dubious classification

[lean hound]

I meant the animals it lived with

[steep tulip]

Morrison animals

[digital pendant]

marsho is morrison yes

not all animals need to have full formations tbf

its nice to have variety

[austere sparrow]

Lmao look at this goober not knowing all the Morrison glubshittos

Agree with AD

[lean hound]

Ohhh

[austere sparrow]

Especially since carnivores don't really cohabitate as readily as Hoofstock-equivalents.

[ancient ibex]

Monolopho: Actually got the top part of the skull, which is highly variable in those animals due to display structures

[lean hound]

I was getting it mixed up with Massospondylus somehow lol

[ancient ibex]

Can always make a ditch and get the cohabitation bonuses

[austere sparrow]

...I mean Pachyderm equivalents shouldn't cohabitate readily either and that's most of what we have but.

Yeah

Ditches are great

[ancient ibex]

Allo+Torvo roaring at each other across the hole they cant cross

TTBT, most of the "elephants hate rhinos" deal comes from orphaned teen males and sexual frustration

[austere sparrow]

I mean. PK animals start out as orphans.

But anyway, looked at Piats formation and the only like. Even slightly relevant pals I saw (as in I can recall anybody ever requesting them at all) are Patagosaurus, maaaaybe Asfaltovenator but I might be hallucinating people wanting that one, and Manidens (who'd be a mini and seemingly lost its most noteworthy feature)

There's some other stuff but nothing really groundbreaking

[wild relic]

Honestly both could just be alts of each other

That way we can had both

[lean hound]

If it had to be one or the other I'd go for marsho

but alts would be good

[wild relic]

I'd still go with Piatnitzky since I think Morrison already has enough representation

Well besides Cera and Dippy in the future

[ancient ibex]

Asfaltovenator for our 5th Allo alt bwahaha

[austere sparrow]

I feel like Concavenator (assuming it doesn't balloon in size) does the generic medium sized Theropod thing better while having its own deal going on and being independently popular

Although I'm not sure I really care about which generic Theropod in the size range we end up getting (assuming we'll end up getting one at all)

[lean hound]

I think formations with multiple big animals need at least 2 small ones

[ancient ibex]

Concavenator also likely got larger than what we have

But yeah, Conca and Monolopho cover the smaller end Carnosaurs beautifully

[austere sparrow]

Now Majungasaurus though...

[steep tulip]

Doesn't the holotype need a full description still

[trail moth]

abelisaur rep? yes please

[steep tulip]

Not saying this as a reason to not get it
Just find it interesting

[austere sparrow]

Yeah that would actually make it less interesting/desireable to me ngl 😔 Depending on how big it gets, we already have Allosaurus and Torvosaurus and the likely upcoming Yutyrannus...

I just want more size diversity in my Theropods

Shoutout to Dilfosaurus

[ancient ibex]

That's something that seems to happen with age tho

Carnotaurus and Majungasaurus be like

[austere sparrow]

Angry sausage

[steep tulip]

Majungasaurus is dilo height but more than twice the weight
Possibly thrice

[austere sparrow]

Okay so when I say size I tend to mean "how big it looks when stared at sideways" and not mass; because turns out, looking at dinosaur artwork/skeletals/skeletons does not beam knowledge of weight estimates into my head

[steep tulip]

Oh I just shared it just because
Didn't mean anything by it
Nerding out

[austere sparrow]

Fair!

Just, Erior gets on my case about it sometimes.

[wild relic]

Then maybe we should have Campto and Hesperornithoides as representatives for that

[steep tulip]

I want ornitholestes

[austere sparrow]

Hespie is mini exhibit sized

Not a dealbreaker but like

Less useful

[steep tulip]

Yeah
Not a bad pick

Imo

Also I'm the biggest eilenodon fan idc
I want some rhyncocephalians

[austere sparrow]

Eilenodon pog

[ancient ibex]

There ya go, mid sized

[late swallow]

Real as fuck

[low bridge]

I need Camel in game

Camelops or Titanotylopus

Dinos are good but Mammals are more fantastic than Dinos

[lost magnet]

Monolophosaurus ftw

[slim flare]

Camptosaurus confirmed??

[wild relic]

Huh possibly

[late swallow]

Huh?

[wild relic]

I think this was relating to Apato and Campto not likely for EA few years back

And then Apato did come to ea

So the guess is that Campto could come too or something based on what I can gather

[late swallow]

Ah, yeah, another Morrison ornitho, I could see it. Give dryo a friend proper

[wild relic]

Well Campto is the second most well known ornitho in the Morrison besides Dryo

[open heron]

Definitely feel like there's a couple ornithopods that are a bit more likely to come before Campto tbh.

but if we need to make half the roster Morrison then it's probably the best choice that isn't already in the game or confirmed.

[plucky mantle]

As much as I love Campto I'd prefer Tenonto for an Ornithopod in that size range

more unique + the Early Cretaceous rep is really bad in game right now

[late swallow]

Morrison sweeps all

[slim flare]

There’s basics only two tbh

[plain knoll]

well to make fully morrison, ceratosaurus, diplodocus, allosaurus and stegosaurus are the crucial species basically

[flint sable]

I mean

[slim flare]

Ceratosaurus, Diplodocus, Ornitholestes…

[plain knoll]

we allready have torvosaurus, and apatosaurus/brontosaurus

[slim flare]

And Brachiosaurus, Camarasaurus and Dryosaurus

[digital pendant]

CAMPTOSAURUS

I NEED

I WANT

I DESIRE

[slim flare]

Yes

[digital pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/mokey-mokey-no-mokey-skeleton-no-gif-6610450945308243206

[flint sable]

mickey

where have your flesh and tendons gone mickey

also what happened to your gloves

[slim flare]

Morrison completionist:
Ceratosaurus
Diplodocus
Ornitholestes
Camptosaurus
Gargoyleosaurus

[flint sable]

is this implying the glvoes are part of your flesh

[plain knoll]

yeah, dont forget ornitholestes

[slim flare]

?

Ornitholestes isn’t in the game nor confirmed

Although it had an old concept art

[plain knoll]

yeah i know, but it was part of morrison

[slim flare]

We were naming what’s in the game

[plain knoll]

lets hope that all animals we want will be added in post release dlc's, or when modders start modding

[slim flare]

Honestly? I don’t have high hopes for species mods that aren’t effectively reskins of existing species, but even then.

[flint sable]

I think they will exist

games of similar genres have been able to do pretty good I would say

[slim flare]

Certainly, but

[flint sable]

specifically the frontier ones

[austere sparrow]

Nanosaurus sobbing and weeping:

[flint sable]

but idk how modding Unity works, so that could definitely become a hinderance

[slim flare]

NANOSAURUS IS DUBIOUS AND NOT AN ORNITHOPOD

[plain knoll]

well for modders there will be hard work to catch up with onthogeny system and behaviour system...

[flint sable]

that will definitely be the biggest hurdle

Ontogeny

[slim flare]

But I agree “Nanosaurus” would be cool if it’s clade can be sorted out promptly

[flint sable]

with behavior you can kinda just steal it from other dinosaurs, but with ontogeny you essentially have to go through it from scratch

[slim flare]

Ontogeny, but also Nigel voice lines

[flint sable]

I mean ig you can maybe somehow make a 0%, 50% and adult model, and then kinda have a transition between them? somehow? idk

[flint sable]

I mean

theres a few options on that front

A: just dont have them

[slim flare]

Don’t say it

[flint sable]

B: hire a nigel marvin impersonator (unlikely)

C: the unspeakable option (🤢 )

[ancient ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/both-agree-yes-good-gif-4591420

[flint sable]

D: just have a different person do it

[plush nacelle]

Arent there like 2 or 3 people who actually can do custom animations in Frontier games 😔 ?

[flint sable]

F: actually hire nigel marvin (rich person option)

[flint sable]

its becomming more widespread

someone is actually working on a Velociraptor mod for PZ using a paleoaccurate velociraptor

[ancient ibex]

And that's why additional characters would rock

[flint sable]

with custom animations

based on the kiwi surprisingly enough

[lean hound]

Is this implied to be ai voiceover..?

[slim flare]

Tenontosaurus is a fucking must, I say as a person with honestly not attachment to the genus. It’s just too unique not to, and it has a history with PK.

[plain knoll]

well not for all though, you need that young adult model to be transitioned from baby to adult, but for instance, giga baby can be basically carcharodontosaurus baby

[flint sable]

yes.

I mean yeah with ontogeny you just essentially need a baby and adult model

and then have a program or something that makes a bunch of submodels that transition between them

[slim flare]

It’s the same model afaik

Just modified

[plain knoll]

it depemds from species to species, no wonder why we wait this long for updates and only two new animals per update

[plush nacelle]

But not much. PZ modding kinda shallow lately outside Cake spamming mods for money

[flint sable]

ture....

CenozoicLover casually spending probably like 5k USD on commisions by now:

[plain knoll]

in my oppinion, dinosaur ontogeny in mods will be priority over nigel's voiceover

[flint sable]

mhm

[plush nacelle]

I imagine most PK modders would struggle to do anything and there will be one or two individuals doing most stuff

[austere sparrow]

Do enjoy the possibility of Modders recording their own voicelines
"What's up chucklefucks. It's me, (roll random adjacent-game-modder-name)Joseba and this right here is Gremlin." "It is called Gremlin. They called it gremlin. Lmfao." "Gremlin is related to the Ceratopsians from the basegame. You might have noticed the similarity to Psittacosaurus. And if you haven't, invest in glasses."

[flint sable]

I mean technically theres been a few mods

I remember someone back basically right after EA came out they made a custom acro skin

but new species are an entirely seperate hurdle

[plush nacelle]

Ya. And he still claims PK modding is pain in the ass lmao

Viral I think?

[flint sable]

apparently a few PZ modders have figured out how to mod PK, but they are essentially just waiting for it to leave Early Access to really start

[trail moth]

also it has a contemporary animal in the form of acro

[plain knoll]

well its cheaper option

[steep tulip]

Campto and tenonto are different enough to not have much competition between eachother

[austere sparrow]

Of course PZ modders would figure it out, those folks are insane

[steep tulip]

So we might get both

[flint sable]

lemme think of the major hurdles creating a new species would realistically bring

[austere sparrow]

Anyway if JPOG taught me anything you'll just get the base animal voicelines or nothing lol

[plush nacelle]

Small problem is that person who figured out it the most openly said about not caring about PK. He just simply got paid to test how possible it is 💀

[late swallow]

Immediately offering my services for hire to any pk modders as a documentarian

[trail moth]

"What's up dumbasses, John Modding here with my new Dimetrodon mod, yeah so this is a cool permian synapsid with a big sail who's super neat I guess"

[late swallow]

This isnt ironic, if you want a va for your mod, contact me

[low bridge]

Eh another hot morrison discussion number 3

[late swallow]

Hey pot, I'm kettle

[slim flare]

(Reads word-for-word the entire Wikipedia page in one take)

[steep tulip]

Animal crossing text to speech gibberish for the voicelines

[flint sable]

1. Actually figuring how how to add and decipher it (kinda done before?)
2. Ontogeny
3. Behavor (probably can be for the most part copy pasted)
4. Model
5. Custom Animations (would be required for something thats not a close relative or at least similar in build to something else)
6. UI
7. Voicelines

I think thats all the major hurdles?

theres probably a ton more

[ancient ibex]

JPOG was a mess in terms of modularity

[austere sparrow]

Sans Undertale speech noises jumpscare

[plain knoll]

great!

[austere sparrow]

drrrr drrrr drrr

[flint sable]

TURE

[ancient ibex]

Really, I spent years over at Modding Genesis; the dinosaur materials were packed in the digsite files

[slim flare]

Same

[digital pendant]

i realistically dont expect animal mods to match the same quality of the vanilla game

[flint sable]

let us just hope that PK is not that much of a mess under the hood 🙏

[digital pendant]

skin mods though? thats smth i can see having a lot of creative room

[slim flare]

I eventually determined outside of some quality of life edits, modding JPOG is kinda a lost cause unfortunately.

[flint sable]

thats infeasible and unrealistic definitely

[ancient ibex]

Par the course for most of those games, that's why I'm not keen on the "wait for the mods" approach

[digital pendant]

same

[flint sable]

for new species

[trail moth]

reference skin modpack would be nice

[flint sable]

that I can definitely see occuring

wrong reply sorry

meant to reply to AD

[flint sable]

If its already been done before, it must be at least somewhat feasible

I think we could see some great skin mods in the future

and we will

[ancient ibex]

Dryosaurus skin mods that give us the rest of Dryosauridae for Tendaguru, Wessex and Elrhaz could be fun

[fresh ember]

TBH, and this is a hot take for several, but I rarely touch most animal mods specifically because of this matter.

[flint sable]

I could definitely see new mini spceies actually being pretty easy to mod in in the grand scheme of things

[trail moth]

Dinosaur revolution and WWD allo skins, WWD, PHP, and MAYBE a TLW Buck rex skin for rex, uhh

[austere sparrow]

Europasaurus and Maiasaura mods and they're just a splice of Nigel saying "Europasaurus" and "Maiasaura" respectively

[flint sable]

especially if they were similar to an already existing species

[steep tulip]

I can see someone crazy enough to do a perfectly rounded up mod of pretty high quality tbh
But yeah probably gonna be the exception lol

[fresh ember]

I just spot far too many stretches and flaws that I can't stop paying attention to.

[slim flare]

Honestly I could also see modifying the models of existing species

[flint sable]

since you could probably copy basically everything except for the Model and UI and maybe some other minor things (like a digsite and other stuff), and wouldnt have the same issues as a full sized species with ontogeny and things

[ancient ibex]

That's pretty much the DLC alt concept anyway

[slim flare]

Like making a JP raptor via Utahraptor

[plain knoll]

dont forget animal sounds too, some should be unique, some just copypasted

[trail moth]

super slowed down nigel voice saying "Maiasaura." as an image of the animal in question fades into view

[flint sable]

definitely

[flint sable]

thoughts on this?

[plush nacelle]

Depends on mini species

[slim flare]

Depends how they even implement terrarium species tbh

[austere sparrow]

Sinosauropteryx sweep

[flint sable]

like just as an example, you could totally make like Wulong or something just by not even a new model, just changing Microraptors colors

[plush nacelle]

Nah. Depends on mini. Making animations for them is still work heavy. Anyone heard about PZ hummingbird mod?

[flint sable]

another great example

I have

[slim flare]

Yutyrannus is coming later

[flint sable]

this would be assuming that your just copying the animation from something else

[steep tulip]

The crazy guy is me if they don't add giraffatitan

[austere sparrow]

I'm going to commit crimes against you

[flint sable]

making new animations would be another boat entirely

[trail moth]

i'd imagine giraffa would be a brachi alt? not entirely sure

[steep tulip]

Yep

I'm not crazy enough to do a full animal slot

[flint sable]

but for quick and "lazy" terrarium mod (the bare minimum to make it distinct) would be a new texture and UI (and probably a new model), in an ideal scenario anyway, also totally depends on how they code it

[steep tulip]

Also easier with the babies and everything

[flint sable]

I mean Archaopteryx and Microraptor are basically that to eachother at the moment anyway

since iirc their animations are identical

[plush nacelle]

But why mods, when PK is making few millions and Mau will spam animals?

[flint sable]

just a model/UI swap

but the new terrariums will probably be more complex

[tidal flame]

Thoughts on Afrovenator

[late swallow]

The tenacity of "ill do it myself" modders is unmatched

[plain knoll]

what the term "tenacity" means?

[low bridge]

Give me Bisons

[tidal flame]

To be persistent or determined

[late swallow]

упорност

[plain knoll]

thanks

i understand english, but sometimes i'm not ackquainted with all the terms i hear or read

[late swallow]

You're okay! I figured giving you the Serbian analog would also help

[shell sonnet]

So with Galli and Ovi, we have 11 unique exhibit-sized therapods in the game and we know four more are coming. About 25 more and I think we've got a good set.

Herrerasaurus ischigualastensis
Coelophysis bauri
Dilophosaurus wetherilli
Limusaurus inextricabilis
Masiakasaurus knopfleri
Ceratosaurus nasicornis
Carnotaurus sastrei
Majungasaurus crenatissimus
Monolophosaurus jiangi
Piatnitzkysaurus floresi
Torvosaurus tanneri
Afrovenator abakensis
Baryonyx walkeri
Spinosaurus aegyptiacus
Yangchuanosaurus shangyouensis
Allosaurus fragilis
Neovenator salerii
Acrocanthosaurus atokensis
Giganotosaurus carolinii (Carcharodontosaurus saharicus)
Megaraptor namunhuaiquii
Guanlong wucaii
Yutyrannus huali
Albertosaurus sarcophagus
Tyrannosaurus rex
Ornitholestes hermanni
Pelecanimimus polyodon
Gallimimus bullatus
Struthiomimus altus
Deinocheirus mirificus
Mononykus olecranus
Falcarius utahensis
Nothronychus graffami
Citipati osmolskae (Oviraptor philoceratops)
Anzu wyliei
Gigantoraptor erlianensis
Utahraptor ostrommaysi
Deinonychus antirrhopus
Velociraptor mongoliensis
Austroraptor cabazai
Stenonychosaurus inequalis

[slim flare]

What 4 more?

Allosaurus, Baryonyx, Utahraptor…?

[shell sonnet]

Bary, Allo, Carno, Utah

[slim flare]

Carnotaurus isn’t confirmed afaik but likely

[shell sonnet]

I'm basing it's coming on this comment. If Mau had used "would" instead of "will", I wouldn't be as certain.

[slim flare]

Looking at the convo, yeah I think I agree

[quick ore]

I mean like I said before

Carnotaurus is the kind of species that is an eventuality, not a possibility

unless some other abelisaur took its slot and made its addition redundant, it will certainly come so long as more dinosaurs get added

wow Carnotaurus' formation isn't very remarkable as far as other potential species

I could see Koleken get added as an alt maybe

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Colonia_Formation

[late swallow]

Carnos from La Candeleros iirc, and yeah, not too much there, but there is a smol bean in Buitreraptor

[hollow furnace]

Carno is not from Candeleros, that's Giganoto

[left spear]

Also it's just Candeleros, no La.

Unless you go full go and say La formación Candeleros

[wild relic]

I think they meant to say La Colonia I think

Or maybe they were thinking of Canceleros

[lost magnet]

Not both species tho (same for Brontosaurus)

[lost magnet]

Same with Early and Middle Jurassic
And the Triassic as a whole

[lost magnet]

True
And Alcovasaurus is based tho

[plain knoll]

checked it out, its interesting stegosaurid

[lost magnet]

It really is

It's like the American Miragaia

[plain knoll]

well it allways bugs me, how can differen species that fill basically the same niche be found on same formation?

like this thing clearly competes with stegosaurus

[lost magnet]

As long as they compete more with members of their own species than with other species they'll be fine

[plain knoll]

well i guess thats legit

[plain knoll]

WE NEED CERATOSAURUS!!!

[lost magnet]

I mean look at lions, leopards, hyenas and African wild dogs

They all pretty much compete for the same rescources

But they compete more with their own species than with each others

[plain knoll]

morrison was basically Allosaurus on the top, than torvosaurus and ceratosaurus...

[lost magnet]

And look at Allosaurus and Torvosaurus

[plain knoll]

and below ceratosaurus is smaller critters like ornitholestes, also i wonder wheter maniraptorians were present at that time?

[lost magnet]

Torvosaurus is longer tho by a lil bit, but not as tall
But Torvo probably lived in denser forests whereas Allo lived in more open environments

[plain knoll]

yeah, alos Torvosaurus in america was smaller than european version

european one was apex

[lost magnet]

But still longer than Allosaurus

[plain knoll]

well yeah

[lost magnet]

Don't fuck with Torvosaurus tanneri

And much bigger teeth

Stronger jaws

It was like the Tyrannosaurus of the Jurassic

[plain knoll]

idk, i saw it gets popularity in recent years, but i never heard as a kid about torvosaurus

[lost magnet]

Neither did I tho

[steep tulip]

Dinosaur revolution is what introduced me to torvo lol
Megalosaurus and eustreptospondylus were the only 2 megalosaurs I knew about as a kid

[plain knoll]

i thought as a kid that megalosaurus lived alongside allo and that it was a bit smaller and more ordinary looking, nowdays i dont hear anything about megalosaurus itself, i wonder wheter it became nomen dubium?

[steep tulip]

It didn't

[plain knoll]

Great

[steep tulip]

The holotype ain't great tho

Also didn't live with any other well known animal
Except cetiosaurus but even then how many people know about it nowadays

[plain knoll]

it was first dinosaur that get a name

megalosauridea used to be garbage taxon in early paleontology, every new theropot that was hard to clasify was just classified as megalosaurid

so it is alongside iguanodon, longest known dinosaur basically

[lost magnet]

Same tbh

[austere sparrow]

Megalosaurus apparently didn't even actually live with Cetiosaurus lmao

Thyreophoran ass Theropod was found in a coastal formations with mostly fish, some Rhamphorhynchoids, a couple glubshittomammals... Most noteworthy contemporary is fucking Teleosaurus

Who is still obscure enough that they didn't bother putting a reconstruction on the current english wikipedia page 💀

(Taynton Limestone Formation)

Dubious "Maybe Megalosaurus" and "Maybe Cetiosaurus" coexisted in another formation (Chipping Norton Limestone) which has a bunch of dubious garbage all around. Might have had Dacentrurus tho which. Would be nice to have as a Cetiosaurus friend. But the remains are referred to as "Omosaurus" and "indeterminate Stegosaur" so rip

...Notably both Megalo and Cetio have a past as wastebasket taxa so I wouldn't trust any formation where they "maybe possibly" appeared

If the ichnogenus Megalosauripus is indeed Megalosaurus and Cetiosaurus, as is seemingly commonly believed, that'd be cool

I honestly don't doubt they probably did overlap but like

Idk lol

If we do happen to find a formation that has Megalosaurus, Cetiosaurus, and probably Dacentrurus too I guess, that'd be pretty pogchamp, too. Or if Chipping Norton Limestone stopped being hot garbage for that matter

[lost magnet]

Cetiosauriscus

And Eustreptospondylus still lived with Cetiosaurus

[austere sparrow]

Cetiosauriscus is from Oxford Clay

Lived around Megalosaurs but not Megalosaurus itself

Eustreptospondylus of WWD fame is from there

[steep tulip]

They lived around the same time and place so its not unlikely that they met
Even if they don't come from the same formation

[austere sparrow]

Cetiosaurus notably is not found in Oxford Clay either

[austere sparrow]

Did come to that conclusion myself 😔

[steep tulip]

Mb lol
Was too lazy to read all of it

[austere sparrow]

But yeah everything you said here appears to be wrong lol

[austere sparrow]

Prehistoric Kingdom Discord member moment 😔

[lost magnet]

Damn :(

Was it Streptosppndylus then?

[austere sparrow]

...I guess I am a Cretaceous Australia fan so I shouldn't hate on Jurassic Britain for being trash

Streptospondylus? Lemme check

[lost magnet]

It ain't trash tho

[austere sparrow]

Nope Streptospondylus is french lol

Did you mean Eustreptospondylus?

(different animal)

[lost magnet]

No

[austere sparrow]

Yeah Streptospondylus is french

[lost magnet]

Bc you already said I was wrong about Eustreptospondylus coexisting with Cetiosaurus

[austere sparrow]

Wait hold on Streptospondylus has multiple species

It did extend into britain, huzzah

[lost magnet]

Wowzers

[austere sparrow]

Lived in Chipping Norton, aka "That garbage formation that might have Cetiosaurus and Megalosaurus (and Dacentrurus) but probably not"

[lost magnet]

Damn

[austere sparrow]

Wait

[lost magnet]

So close

[austere sparrow]

Wait no nevermind

[lost magnet]

:(

[austere sparrow]

"Vertebrae [and] limb elements."[9] Actually indeterminate theropod remains.[6]
Wikipedia on Streptospondylus in Chipping Norton

Chipping Norton stays losing

[lost magnet]

:/

[austere sparrow]

...Cetiosauriscus did live with Eustreptospondylus and Metriacanthosaurus? People have. Asked for those sometimes. Rarely. In the past

[lost magnet]

Well potentially

[austere sparrow]

(In Oxford Clay)

(Mostly noteworthy for marine animals)

Wdym well potentially

They dug out its entire ass half there

Well damn this is more like it

Opthalmosaurus, Liopleurodon, Pliosaurus, Peloneustes, Cryptocleidus, Leedsichthys

Some real heavyweights of marine extinct fauna in here

[lost magnet]

Yep, good soup

[austere sparrow]

Oh Muraenosaurus too

That one isn't really requested but I remember it from childhood books

[lost magnet]

Noice

[austere sparrow]

Yeah Oxford Clay is just where Cruel Seas (WWD) seems to take place lol

[lost magnet]

Yep

[austere sparrow]

Lexovisaurus is from here, too. Not sure anybody ever asked for Lexovisaurus but it exists

[lost magnet]

It'd be cool

[austere sparrow]

Daisychaining to the other bri'ish clay formation

[lost magnet]

Marine reptiles for PK when

[austere sparrow]

Kimmeridge Clay! My goats Dacentrurus, Metriorhynchus, Dakosaurus, Juratyrant and Rhamphorhynchus were found, here.

[lost magnet]

Juratyrant ftw

[austere sparrow]

Marine Reptiles hopefully after launch if game does well

Kimmeridge also has an animal called Cumnoria which would be funny if nothing else

[lost magnet]

Yeah

At the very least it'd be amusing

[lost magnet]

Well I hope so

[steep tulip]

I can't believe I got a chuckle out of this

[amber field]

is this a Rhynchocephalians ,

[lean spindle]

scorpiovenator idk lol

[ancient ibex]

The thing about Megalosaurus is that Torvosaurus having a line of ancestry directly to it isn't farfetched, so Megalo/Torvo esque remains in Europe at that time is to be expected.

[cinder python]

Moeritherium I want more elephants/elephant ancestors

[wild relic]

Hesperornithoides, a Jurassic troodontid

[final yarrow]

i hope Mono is habitat

the smaller critters add so much to exhibits

and i’d like to see the minis be more interesting little critters

not to say Mono isnt interesting

but when theres Tiktaalik and Simo theres competition

[ancient ibex]

NGL if we get Masiakasaurus I'm throwing a Simo terrarium into the habitat

[steep tulip]

If mono is mini exhibit, there are other bigger alvarezsaurids they could add to full exhibits

[left spear]

Bonaparte

[steep tulip]

Yep

Also lived together with austroraptor

Idk if cohabitation makes sense between them, but I could see it work

Tho maybe austo would eat the other babies

[left spear]

Between Adults i doubt there would be any issues

But yeah babies would be a no no

[low bridge]

I want Camelops, Titanotylopus, Aepycamelus, Stenomylus, Poebrotherium and Arsinoitherium, Platybelodon, Stegotetrabelodon, Deinotherium, Tylocephalonyx, Discokeryx, Sivatherium, Climacoceras in Prehistoric Kingdom

[steep tulip]

Ngl this kinda of half cohabitation could be a decent mechanic
Like the adults do just fine but you would need to breed them separately
Could work with smaller easier to breed species, you can have a main exhibit with only them and then send the adults in other exhibits where they can't
Or something like that

[hardy rock]

Xinjiangtitan

[shell sonnet]

Well it is fairly complete and would fill in a spot of Sauropoda we don't have. Having said that, it doesn't seem to live with anything else in the Qiketai Formation. As far as Mamenchisaurids go, the namesake is the more obvious choice (despite being a taxonomical mess) and lives in the rich Shaximiao Formation with plenty of great contemporaries (Tuojiango, Yangchuano, Gigantospino; plus the lower level contains Shuno, Huyango and Omei).

[plush nacelle]

What about it being alt

Possible or nuh

[shell sonnet]

Again, Mamechi is a bit of a mess. The closest "Mamechiasaurus" is M. sinocanadorum, which is the furthest from the rest of the main ones (also the only notable one not from Shixamio; it's a neighbor to Guanlong, Limusaurus and Monolophosaurus) phylogenically. I personally believe that either M. youngi or M. hochuanensis needs to be the main one and honestly, if Xinjiangtitan makes sense as an alt for them, why not just go for M. sinocanadorum instead of the animal that lives by itself.

[late swallow]

I may be stupid.

[chrome wigeon]

Imagine if terror birds are skipped over, with only Mesozoic dinosaurs and Cenozoic mammals being added

[lean hound]

I doubt it

even if we don't get Phorusrhacids we're definitely getting animals other than mammals and dinosaurs

Excluding minis

[hardy rock]

I always love how ridiculously big their necks look compared to their bodies, they look so wonky

But I’d love if Xinjiangtitan came, I think it’d be a great pick for a Chinese sauropod

[austere sparrow]

Euhelopus with Ruyangosaurus alt tho... 🤔

[hardy rock]

Those are also good…

I frankly never heard of them till now though LOL

The only other Chinese sauropod I could name off the top of my head is Shunosaurus, who’d also be cool

[austere sparrow]

...Huh, Gobititan is a Euhelopid

Might be good. Probably has formation pals.

Oops nevermind

Nope it doesn't

Anyway

Mamenchisaurus is also chinese

Or at least most of them are

Omeisaurus also

[hardy rock]

I knew Xinjiangtitan was a mamenchisaurid, though of course since my lack of knowledge, I just went with the one I knew

[austere sparrow]

I guess that's fair

[hardy rock]

I will say, they are probably my favorite sauropod group, they look so silly

[austere sparrow]

True!

[desert flame]

I agree
The addition of unique elephants like Platybelodon and Deinotherium increases the diversity of PK's mammals.

[limber talon]

The third known genus in combat patch could be just as likely to be Therizino as it is Pachycephalo.

[slim flare]

(No)

[desert flame]

combat patch is pachy,stego and allo.

[austere sparrow]

Combat Patch is Glyptodon, Macrauchenia, Mylodon, Megatherium, Carnotaurus, Aucasaurus, Tarascosaurus, Abelisaurus

Trust ❤️

[faint oak]

SO REAL

Morrison could really use a couple medium to little guys and then it’s just

Mega peak

Still thinking about ornitholestes running around in a big safari exhibit

Herds of camptos

Would love a smaller sauropod in there too maybe even

Kaatedocus alt for dippy?

Either way

[slim flare]

Tbh, because we’ll have juvenile sauropods, I’m fine not having small Morrison sauropods

The Big Four are enough

[faint oak]

True, however kaatedocus is a cutie so I have to like it

lil friend

And it’s probably where the actual dippy spikes are from

Spikey baby man

[austere sparrow]

Morrison Pack with Camptosaurus, Ornitholestes, Supersaurus, Stokesosaurus (because ZT2 I guess) and Barosaurus/Kaatedocus while Basegame gets free Cerato as a companion 🤔

[faint oak]

Trueeee

[shell sonnet]

Kaatedocus and Barosaurus are likely not closely related

(Baro could work as a Dippy alt)

Also Marshosaurus alt for Piatnitzkysaurus

[ancient ibex]

Honestly, I wish we had more of "Stokesosaurids" as a whole

Juratyrant is the most complete one we have, but we have pelvic stuff referable to Stokeso that also point out towards both doing some Dilophosauresque approach

[shell sonnet]

Are there any that even well-recovered besides Dilong

[ancient ibex]

Wish we had skull material

[slim flare]

Stokeosaurus but base it on Tanycolagreus

[desert flame]

for example,Diplodocus

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, the missing member

We already have Brachio, 3 Camara species and 2 Apato species

[desert flame]

Bronto saurus

[ancient ibex]

Rebbutal due to sheer volume of work would take a while, but metaanalysis from other sauropod workers in the Dinosaur Mailing List Group find issues. Meanwhile, Greg Paul does a Trump

[desert flame]

However, Diplodocus has been on the EA list in the past, so it will likely return at some point.

[austere sparrow]

"Why is something I will not be discussing at the time." Epic, very helpful/useful/wonderful, GSP. Go back to splitting morphotypes and lumping families

[ancient ibex]

I miss the old Dinosaur Mailing List, got a load of publications AND meta discussion on them back in the day out of lurking it

[limber talon]

As long as other pachy is confirmed, ty4 update! 👍

[neat iris]

Pachycephalosaurus is a must-have

[shell sonnet]

Pachy is not confirmed, just assumed

[austere sparrow]

Pachyrhinosaurus is ingame

[shell sonnet]

You know which one I meant

[austere sparrow]

Pachypleurosaurus

[outer moth]

It’s more speculation there

[slim flare]

No Stygimoloch would be a travesty

[late swallow]

would it tho

[neat iris]

You spelled ‘juvenile pachy’ wrong

[hollow furnace]

No they didn’t

[neat iris]

But no, in all seriousness, I’d be very surprised if we don’t get pachycephalo at some point

[slim flare]

2018 called, they want their taxonomic understanding back

[neat iris]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[slim flare]

I remain unconvinced of Dracorex tho

[neat iris]

Draco could be juvenile stygi

Maybe

[flint sable]

Dracorex is definitley a juvenile of something

and quite possibly either Pachy or Stygi

[mint creek]

I hope so

just so I never have to see it's species name

[flint sable]

but Stygi is definitely distinct from P. wyomingensis

[slim flare]

Not how that works

[mint creek]

yeah obviously?

[flint sable]

the main debate nowadays is whether it should be in its own genus or a species of Pachycephalosaurus, which is pretty arbitrary

[slim flare]

Juvenile holotypes are valid if diagnostic

[neat iris]

Actually, come to think of it, I might have confused draco with stygi in my joke

[flint sable]

so it would either be Stygimoloch spinifer or Pachycephalosaurus spinifer

[slim flare]

Stygimoloch is valid if you don’t lump the genus

[steep tulip]

They might just call it stygimoloch for fun and giggles

[neat iris]

I couldn’t remember which of the two it was that’s thought to be a juvenile of one of the other species

[steep tulip]

If they add spinifer

[slim flare]

Which… personally it probably be lumped

[late swallow]

We need a second pachycephalosaurini like I need another hole in the head

[slim flare]

Pachycephalosaurus + Stygimoloch, then Prenocephale and maybe an alt

That’s all we need

[neat iris]

Pachy is one of those dinos that a game like this would feel incomplete without

[flint sable]

salmonella refference??? in my PK discord server?????

[late swallow]

what

[flint sable]

guh

[neat iris]

Therizinosaurus too

[flint sable]

now I feel stupid

[late swallow]

I mean, I think a Therizinosaur would be cool, but I'm not sold on it being Therizinosaurus

[slim flare]

I am!

Nigel visited them

[neat iris]

I’m actually a little surprised we got deinocheirus before theri

[smoky spear]

Therizinosaurus is the most well known

[neat iris]

And the coolest

[slim flare]

Therizinosaurus is a much weirder rig

[flint sable]

its also seemingly the biggest

[wild relic]

Yeah the slightly upright posture

[slim flare]

Also Nemegt

[flint sable]

the only major thing with it is that we dont know what most of it looks like, so a signifigant ammount of its anatomy could in theory change is new stuff is discovered

which isnt really that big of a deal per se

[wild relic]

Well per usual we just fill in the gaps from its other relatives

[smoky spear]

yeah

[flint sable]

ye

[slim flare]

We already have the Prince Creek abominations, fuck it

[flint sable]

I think the fear with the uhhhh

Therizinosaurus is that it might be a Deinocheirus situation for its clade anyway

because it could be totally atypical for its group

[slim flare]

I feel that’s less likely

[flint sable]

since iirc its actually like abnormally large for therizinosaurs

could be wrong

[flint sable]

probably yeah

[slim flare]

The size gap is smaller and anatomy more consistent afaik

[flint sable]

its still a possibility but probably somewhat unlikely

[steep tulip]

We get stegoceras
But I like it

[slim flare]

It’s definitely a distinct possibility

[steep tulip]

On another note

What's compy diet

I forgot

[flint sable]

meat I think

[late swallow]

Wrong-o

[slim flare]

I mean there was lizards in their bellies so

[steep tulip]

Oh

[slim flare]

Probably also ate invertebrates and opportunistically fish

[steep tulip]

Meant ingame but that answers it as well lol

[flint sable]

also hold on

[late swallow]

Falcarius and Beipao are right there

[flint sable]

has uhhhh

[neat iris]

Lizards, other small animals, rich children, guys with cattle prods

[flint sable]

there always been 1 meat eater and 2 fish eaters in U18?

I thought they were 3 fish eaters

[wild relic]

Beipiao is immature if I recall

[flint sable]

assuming that our thought from the old roadmap are still correct (which is highly probable it isnt), what one of the three would be a meat eater

of Deinosuchus, Ambulo, and Bary

probably Deinosuchus, no?

[mint creek]

Yeah I'd imagine so

[wild relic]

Speaking of therizinosaurs, I don't think it's impossible for Nothro to come back

[steep tulip]

Yeah

[smoky spear]

mau already said none of the scrapped animals cant get back to the game

[flint sable]

I honestly think out of all the scrapped ones, Nothro has the least reason to come back and Sauropelta the most

[plush nacelle]

Therizinosaurus is literally upscalled nothro. Perfect opportunity to bring it back

[flint sable]

with Tenoto and Thesc in the middle, I could pmuch care less

Thesc would be nice to get another small ish ornithiscian in that size range ig

basically cretaceous dryosaurus in terms of how you would build for it

[wild relic]

Didn't he say nothing was scrapped, just reshuffled?

[austere sparrow]

Wow okay personal attack

[wild relic]

I'm pretty sure someone showed him saying that

[neat iris]

My most wanted crocodilian

[austere sparrow]

"Cretaceous Dryosaurus" smh. You will look real silly when burrowing gets added and Thesc has it but Dryo doesn't

[neat iris]

But that’s really just because of Prehistoric Park and zt2

My croc wishlist is really just deino and sarco

Not that I wouldn’t be happy with any of the others

[late swallow]

I just want sarco and an Aetosaur

[steep tulip]

My pseudosuchians whishlist is so big I already know we won't get most of them

[austere sparrow]

Laganosuchus/Stomatosuchus/Mourasuchus

[wild relic]

I mostly want Sauro and Tenonto to come so Acro won't be lonely anymore, bring in Deinon too

[austere sparrow]

Not in an alt way but like, a "am fine with any of these" way

[wild relic]

Also because Tenonto just has that long tail

[austere sparrow]

Tenonto is the sexiest "Iguanodont" I want it back 💔

[slim flare]

Nemegt is unfortunate because I think it will really only ever be a playground for weirdos. Even if we get Prenocephale, which is likely, it’d be the equivalent of Hell Creek having

Tyrannosaurus
Anzu
Ornithomimus
Sphaerotholus

These all existed and aren’t bad species, but they really don’t represent the predominant clades present very well.

[wild relic]

Yeah hopefully Saurolophus and maybe Nemegtosaurus come down the line

[slim flare]

Isn’t Nemegtosaurus a skull?

[wild relic]

Oh right

[steep tulip]

There's the other guy

[wild relic]

Pinacosaurus

[slim flare]

Saurolophus is plausible, maybe Tarchia

I doubt either sauropod

[steep tulip]

Pinaco is djadotcha

[slim flare]

Wrong formation

[wild relic]

Oh yeah

Oh wait I got them mixed up and remembered it was Tarchia in prehistoric planet

[steep tulip]

Yep

I want pinaco more tho
Maybe they work as alts

[wild relic]

Cause of the vocalization thing

[steep tulip]

Well that was probably shared
But pinaco is very well known, so kinda related to it

Also got funnier proportions

I think it's overall wider lol

[wild relic]

And another exhibit companion for Ovi and Proto

[low bridge]

What about Stegotetrabelodon?? Arsinoitherium?? Are they bad????

[quick ore]

Arsinoitherium isn't an elephant what

isn't even an ancestor

[silver steeple]

Its an afrothere

[austere sparrow]

Assinoitherium is bad. Stinky. Needs to be cleaned

[quick ore]

yeah

[plush nacelle]

Nemegtosaurus could be alt to one of the most complete titanosaurs out there - opisthocoelicaudia

[quick ore]

but not all afrotheres are elephant ancestors

[silver steeple]

Indeed

Most aren't

[quick ore]

holy shit how did I only just notice that extra I in Arsinoitherium

I have spelled it as Arsinotherium for years

[silver steeple]

I had that same realization like last week lmfao

[austere sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/splash-gif-24357761

[plush nacelle]

People sleep on it

[austere sparrow]

Bestie have you looked at the name

[neat iris]

Just give me my deinotherium, mastodon, and columbian mammoth and I’m happy as far as elephants are concerned

[smoky spear]

maybe 1 day we will know for sure if its the same thing as nemegtosaurus

[plush nacelle]

This why it would come with nemegtosaurus alt for people with spelling problems

[steep tulip]

Ampelosaurus lowkey sweeps

[hollow furnace]

I’m certain the one animal known only from a skull and the other animal known only from everything but the skull are definitely different animals, 100%

[steep tulip]

Where the ampelosaurus fans at

[plush nacelle]

Need to google it, wait

[steep tulip]

I actually only like it because its the only decently known titanosaur from europe

[late swallow]

Armed sauropod #3, he's fine

[low bridge]

Ain't Elephant but Elephant relative

It has good time with Nigel

[late swallow]

Just like me saying I'm a hagfish relative