Community Species Suggestions

[austere sparrow]

Lmao

Pepe Profile Picture moment

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If people want to make the dinosaurs kill each other who am I to not let them?

They bought the game so let them do what they want with it

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ad hominem fallacy

[austere sparrow]

Fallacy fallacy

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get this man a true

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press triangle and pretend to have won

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Pepe Pfp, I won by default 😭

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nuh uh, its fred durst mf

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...Also wtf do you mean press triangle. I am very obviously writing this on a keyboard, keyboards don't have triangle buttons

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doesn't have a dedicated Δ button

[austere sparrow]

Damn this bitch too poor to afford a triangle button 😭

[austere sparrow]

Epic reference

...Anyway I don't want to forbid anybody from playing "toddler clanks dinosaur toys together while shouting 'rawr'" in doinosour game. Just really not interested in doing that myself lol. Or in it taking dev time away from features I actually care to use.

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good to know

when combat update drops im gonna feed my rexes baby megaloceros daily to my own amusement

[austere sparrow]

Not exactly new information lol

You should play the Isle, you might like it

Lotsa baby eating there

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I do remember many years ago I said I will feed bos to an Acrocanthosaurus due to my distaste for it

[austere sparrow]

They have individual organs you can eat one by one too

Damn, what did Acrocanthosaurus ever do to you

[hollow flower]

No Acro is my favourite dinosaur

Its the bos that I dislike (and still sort of do)

[austere sparrow]

I got that and was joking 😔

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Theres just better options than it

I mean really why would I want bos over the average paleogene mammal?

Not many reasons for it

[austere sparrow]

Me when Bos gets in instead of Bootherium 😔

Jurassic Park Fans when they can't start a dogfighting ring in Nintendogs

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I find that asking for combat or hunting isnt exactly a very odd request

[safe kestrel]

it is not

but probably most of them asking of that because they want ecosystem

[steep tulip]

Saying this after yesterday convo is pretty ironic

[late swallow]

Sir, this is a zoo

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https://tenor.com/view/how-bro-felt-after-writing-that-how-bro-felt-alpha-wolf-alpha-alpha-meme-gif-307456636039877895

Bro thinks he’s “dark” and “cool” for that

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Idk about dark and cool

I feel like everyone's gonna be doing that

Watching animals hunt is entertaining

You'll be doing the same thing

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Because then you get aurochs and/or bison

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it really does feel like a zoo inside here

pk-feedback-forum people when you mention combat:

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Most people want combat

The devs are adding combat

There’s just a few cowards who don’t

But there always will be

Calm down Pepe pfp

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Combat is not problem. Problem is people deluding themselves into it being super complex

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thank god nothing will ever come out of this thread lol

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Why is everyone on this thread so belligerant all the time

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im not deluding myself into anything

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autism central unironically

[plush nacelle]

Plenty people who want combat are

It always start with someone asking for super complex ecosystem or combat behaviors

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I just want JPOG combat

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plus we went thru every single animal that could reasonably be added

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Like the demo had

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the demo had combat?

[plush nacelle]

It was good enough imo

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Yes, similar to JPOG

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damn i didn't even realize that when i played it

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Yeah combat should be like jpog

other than that I dont care that much for it

[plush nacelle]

We will lack spectacular intraspecific animations, but cant have everything

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I do think it’s reasonable to want JPOG combat systems of Dromaeosaurids latching onto other species or large theropods picking up smaller animals whole.

[plush nacelle]

Would be awesome to see sauropods fight just like in prehistoric planet

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i do kinda want ecosystem mechanics, was bummed when i heard devs won't do much about it

because of pathing iirc

[steep tulip]

I believe that's kinda how they are planning

[hollow flower]

I mean all you really need for ecosystems is having the dinosaurs be self sustainable

and thats about it

[steep tulip]

At least the way it seems they are planning it would at least support that kind of interactions

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I mean all you need for an ecosystem is animals breeding and animals being eaten, with nothing major interrupting the cycle.

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Pretty much yeah

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i don't remember if grazing is still supposed to give nutrition or just be enrichment

[short rover]

You can have a faux ecosystem running that way yeah

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because if the latter it's over for ecosystems

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ZT2 you can kinda do it, but herbivore feeders will run dry eventually and poop accumulates and drives every animal sick

[short rover]

Oh yeah you’re gonna need a lot of dung beetles lol

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In PK sandbox mode we’ll be able to stop defecation and have herbivores eat infinitely from foliage, so we seem good

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nice

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Wdym?

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Also works

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Like obviously it’s not gonna match the complexity of anything real but if you get a death and replacement rate going it could work

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I mean yeah, but I don’t think anyone in the world is expecting plant reproduction, true decomposition, insects and other tiny fauna or anything like that.

[plush nacelle]

I imagine piscivores not being able to work in self sustaining ecosystem

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Is there any pure piscivore?

[steep tulip]

For now nope

Ambulocetus might be tho

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At worst, you might just need to put fish feeders never the waterways

Although none of the three natural ecosystems have piscivores

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Natural ecosystems?

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Hell Creek, Morrison, Smelovskaya II Cave (Pleistocene Eurasia)

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What's the next formation with the most animals

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Dinosaur Park, Nemegt and Djadochta

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With 3 each?

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Yes

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Damn
Even accounting for all the ea animals, we probably won't get more from these

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Yep

Although it’s a good three

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Pleistocene SA might get to 3

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Djadochta is probably the most likely fourth one if we can get another herbivore from there

[steep tulip]

Well very likely
I have a hunch macrauchenia is also in u19 but its just a hunch lol

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Pleistocene SA is my fifth most likely option, but we’d need Megatherium, Doedicurus and then Macrauchenia and/or Toxodon

[digital pendant]

those are a given to happen in any shape or form tbh

its a matter of WHEN for them

if we later get wild horse and dire wolf they can also be included in lujan

so Lujan as a formation has potential to be hella stacked in the future

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If only the same applied to Miocene SA 😔

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Macrauchenia is necessary along with Megatherium and Doedicurus.

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I'm surprised no one brought up the need for a terror bird

[plush nacelle]

Thats because we talking about pleistocene

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(and reality is that Doedicurus could be subsituted for Glyptodon)

[plush nacelle]

Miocene SA will get one terror bird and maybe sebecid and thats it 🥀

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Devincenzia and Titanis lived in the pleistocene

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i can see thylacosmilus as a good miocene candidate

and maybe an astrapothere

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Or get both a Glyptodon and a Doedicurus.

[steep tulip]

Thalassocnus and purrusaurus aren't unlikely

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megalodon

pelagornis and argentavis

[steep tulip]

Also yeah

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well we haven't gotten aquatics or aviary yet

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Probably,future update after EA.

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Mhm

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if the game succeeds

[steep tulip]

Parapropalaehoplophorus

[plush nacelle]

Native SA ungulates or bust

La venta formation so good, but I need to delude myself to imagine it being well represented in PK

Somehow

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I know that either Nano or Nathan mentioned stuff like raptors latching a few years ago

Idk if any of the little animals besides like the 3 specific smallest would be small enough for the largest theropods to eat whole

That being Leally, taco, and velo

I guess maybe Ovi?

Proto could be in that range maybe

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And babes, of course

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Assuming there isn't something with ontogeny not allowing for that

[ancient ibex]

Navmeshes involving theropod throats hehehe

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Well also just picking up a Dryo and tossing it, or you know, babew

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which species tho?

[outer crater]

ye

[plush nacelle]

Tapir in PK? Definitely the vero tapir, because it could play nicely as the ice age tapir from more cold climates

Could have also tropical alt or something

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What’s the vero tapir?

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North american tapir

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Which

Unless you consider them all synonyms

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The very recent one from the southeastern US

Not californicus tho

Somewhat fragmentary

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Their taxonomy is shit unfortunately

A species complex

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yeah I love tapirs but I personally don't see one getting into PK, especially considering both how many perissodactyls are already in the game and that the ones that have yet to be added like horses, Brontotheres or Chalicotheres are much more likely to get in than any fossil tapir

[plush nacelle]

We will mind control Mau into tapir

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We will do that 4 times before that already

You sure It will work a fifth

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it could be so awesome

it could be so cool

[safe willow]

i wish we had one of the chinese formations
Tuojiangosaurus my beloved

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i love it

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whats that weird

darkly colored

racoon possum thing

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uh

context?

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idk if its a marsupial or what

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im assuming you mean Didelphodon

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but its weird and shaggy

and kinda large

its not even prehistoric

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oh

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its a modern day animal

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lmao

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but im wondering if it has ancient relatives

i just forgot what its called

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how big was it roughly

or if you have a picture

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uh

bigger than a racoon

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dont lmao

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ok

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

ive got like

no clue

any other descriptive details?

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I GOT IT

binturong

or something

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oh yeah

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https://tenor.com/view/binturong-bearcat-cute-bear-cat-gif-27426066

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Binturong are related to Civets

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these creatures

absolute weirdos

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specifically

Doxurinae

which has some extinct species

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do they have ancient relatives

well thats a dumb question

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wait no Paradoxurinae sorry

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what are their ancient relatives XD

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they lowkey kinda are the ancient relative

they are the earliest diverging member of the clade

The only one with a wikipedia article I can find is this fellow here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanuites

[final yarrow]

huh

nice

[flint sable]

there doesnt seem to be any extinct binturongs in particular, though

likely due to them inhabiting tropical forests which arent great for fossilization

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There are better extinct civets/feliforms anyway

[late swallow]

I'm gonna pull from our own Nature's Compendium for this aquatic: Eretmorhipis

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How worthwhile is Hypsilophodon?

Despite its “generic Ornithopod” form, it’s apparently not closely related to Dryosaurus, Thescelosaurus or Leaellynasaura

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I could see it as like DLC maybe

Especially if they did a like overall europe dlc

Or even just a UK themed dlc but idk if you could do more than like 2-3 species in that realistically

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Wessex Formation

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Well yes

But how much from Wessex really makes sense to add

Like off the top of my head

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Hypsilophodon
Polacanthus
Neovenator

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Hypsi, Polacanthus, Neovenator, maybe Eotyrannus?

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Afaik Eo is fragmentary af

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Ehhhhh

Could be better

Most Wessex stuff is worse than that afaik

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Neovenator

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What is the white vs gray here

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Come on now

Gray is real

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That's the opposite of the one I posted

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Yes but why would random bones be entirely gray if not real?

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No clue

That's what confused me

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Anyway, Polacanthus

Could be worse

Unless you want an Iguanodon clone, it’s really only the 3

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Pretty much

So you'd have to extend past Wessex

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Mhm

Megalosaurus is poor but famous

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Might as well just do the whole UK at that point

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I only pointed to Wessex because that fulfilled the 2-3 species you thought the UK had alone

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Yeah it does

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Metricanthosaurus sucks

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Just do Yang and call it a day

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Proceratosaurus is cool but Guanong supremacy

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Guanlong clears

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Dacentrurus is its own can of worms

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In theory there's Cetiosaurus up for grabs

Its pretty distant from all the other sauropods from what I know

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Eustreptrospondylus is surprisingly complete, although not fully grown

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Huh I didn't know Eustrep wasn't fully grown

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It’s a Megalosaurid though and looks it. Alt for Megalosaurus?

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Tho tbf that hasn't stopped them in other cases

Dryo doesn't have any known fully mature specimens either

They directly acknowledge that in Nigel's dialogue on it

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Neither does Compsognathus

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True

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Interesting inquiry

I don’t think it even comes from a known formation

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It’s apparently close to Shunosaurus and Mamenchisaurus

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Sorta

Only really in the fact of being a basal sauropod

Shuno is a little more basal and mamenchi a little more derived

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Looks like a Camarasaurus to me but

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Yeah they're very much a "generic" sauropod

Kinda like turiasaurs in that way

Ok so there have been Cetiosaurus remains found in the Rutland Formation

But I can't find any info on where the actual type is from

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Apparently close to Megalosaurus

But not

Hylaeosaurus apparently kinda sucks unfortunately

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Sad

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And that’s it

Crazy Eustreptro is such a top pick

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Lol

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I always thought of it as a glupshitto

Partially because its name is crazy, partially because it’s only referenced in accordance with WWD

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Wouldn't call It a gluppshito but defenetly a massively overblown dino

[toxic oriole]

Eh, if Eocarcharia were in the game, would it be the Carcharodontosaurid maxilla or the Spinosaurid skull bit?

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*definitely

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Sory inglish is no my first languge

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That’s hilarious

I had no idea that situation existed

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Fun fact

Eustrepto may be the first known spinosaurid

Emphasis on the may

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If we aren't even sure on what type of theropod It is then why even bother adding it

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That's not what I'm saying

Its a megalosauroid with a longer snout

Found at a time when we know spinosaurids were diverging from the rest of megalosauroidea

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Sounds awfully spinosauroidy

[silver steeple]

There is no such thing as a spinosauroid

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Yes i know it's part of megalosauroidea

You get what i mean, spinosauridy sounds bad

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It’s also a juvenile

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How much of a juvenile tho

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Also Torvosaurus

It’s pretty typical, especially if it beefed up as it matured

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Juvenile gets thrown around a lot without any actual idea of where in the growth curve its at actually being said

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True

It’s about 4.5 m long, skeletally mature adult estimated to be 6 m

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Still pretty small then

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And afaik no adaptations for piscivory

Which presumably should be present before the snout goes long

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Eh not necessarily

Its not like a checklist or anything

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Why would the snout get long if its not eating fish?

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Burrowing animals, or just cause

Mutations just appear and then stick around without reason sometimes

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The definitive PK sauropodomorph checklist?

Saltasaurus
Argentinasaurus
Brachiosaurus
Camarsaurus
Diplpdocus
Apatosaurus
Amargasaurus
Nigersaurus
Mamenchisaurus or Shunosaurus
Lessemsaurus or Antetonitrus
Mussaurus?
Plateosaurus

Mussaurus may be too similar to Plateosaurus despite its unique history and place on the tree

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Why Lessem/Antetonitrus?

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You know

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Is it one of the first quad sauropodomorphs?

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The first semi-quad sauropods

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Dunno if we really like super need it by any means if that's kinda just it

Like it would be neat ig

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Their forelimbs were still used for grasping

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Also how are Shuno and Mamenchi substitutes for one another

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Close of the tree, both have the tail club

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Yeah but Mamenchi ain't known for the club

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But it had it

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At least one species

Dunno if all of them did

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Mamenchisaurus is also paraphyletic

Point is, on a limited list, I don’t see a big reason for both

Having either covers that region in time, cladogram and rough morphological aspects

Anything I’m missing?

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Unique body shapes

Both are pretty unique proportionally for sauropods

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Tbh just have Shuno, mamenchi is a nice animal but so is lets say icthyovenator, if those 2 get in It wouldn't be a bad addition at all but there are other much more unique members in their respective groups to add

Also unrelated but 80% of people only want mamenchi to make a Sorna park

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"much more unique members", says the person disregarding the animal with the longest neck to ever live

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Shuno is still more interesting

Imo

Also very middle sized sauropod which is nice

I don't think we'll get anything more on that size range besides apato/bronto

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Ichthyovenator:

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What, just had a brainfart sorry, i meant irritator

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Second is Saltasaurus

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Would still consider It middle sized

On the lower end of it

Also if i'm allowed to backtrack i would like to correct myself and say sauropodomorph

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Yeah they really are completely distinct

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But anything else?

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Nah I think that's a good list for the most part

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Bajada alt for amarga?

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Personally partial to Europa and people probably want one of the hatzeg sauropods but Amarga and Niger cover that size niche well

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Eh i still think an island dwarf would be nice

Do europa with a Maggy alt

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Absolutely not lmfao

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All other Hateg sauropods are even more gluppshitos

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Europa

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Also am I correct to think Mus is too similar to Plateosaurus?

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Magyaro

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One european guy would be cool

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Magy is a titanosaur and Europa is basically a brachiosaur

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Like magyaro yeah

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Yes but Mus can easily work as a dlc

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Plateosaurus

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Oh you meant as not working as alts, ngl i know jackshit about europa i thought It was titanosaur lol

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Like it would literally be like asking Argent to be a Brachi alt lmao

[steep tulip]

2 european guys would be cool then
Like either europa or magyaro is fine
Magyaro is in a weird position rn tho, probably bigger than often depicted

[plush nacelle]

Based opisthocoelicaudia with nemegtosaurus alt 🗿

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Backtracking back to this maybe an island dwarf (only 2 real very distinct choices) as dlc

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Funny that you could make a whole dlc of meso/ceno stuff that's island dwarfs or giants

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I mean there's not that many remarkable european non-dwarf sauropods

Like ig Histriasaurus is there but it's quite fragmentary

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They would have to be 4 DLC realistically

Probably 3 for Cenozoic

So 5

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Entirely dependent on size and how far "in the weeds" they would go

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Magyarosaurus has like no remains 😭

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Europa then

[steep tulip]

Giraffatitan is missing
I will keep the cope alive

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Not hatzeg

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But an island dwarf is interesting

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I meant to Ha-Satan

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My boi will happen

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I mean just do Madagascar and Hateg for Meso then Indian ocean, Mediterranean and Oceania for Ceno

Maybe Cuba aswell

[steep tulip]

Madagascar has a lot
Tho they can be scattered around in other dlcs as well

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Yeah Madagascar should be 2 species packs on it's own

If you wanted to include everything together

But for the porpouse of a island DLC there's not really anything on the mesozoic that isn't either Hateg or Madagascar that fits the bill

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Revised list:

Saltasaurus
Argentinasaurus
Brachiosaurus
Europasaurus
Camarsaurus
Diplodocus
Apatosaurus
Amargasaurus
Nigersaurus
Mamenchisaurus
Shunosaurus
Lessemsaurus or Antetonitrus
Plateosaurus

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👍

Very good

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You could condense multiple of these with little issue

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Eh you would still lose some stand outs

[steep tulip]

Majunga, masiaka, elephant birds, prehistoric lemurs (there are a lot but archaeoindris my fav)
As for minis beelzebufo falcatakely/rohonavis and coelurosauravus
Mahajangasuchus would be cool but it depends on the existence of kaprosuchus lol

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Ig you could fuese cuba and Indian ocean but besides that the losses would be too great

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Bit sad no malagasy hippo there

It's really the only hippo worth adding

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While we are it give new zealand own pack

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Alas not everything can make It in

Eh i think a Big Oceania expansion would be better

Fuse NZ, NC and some other weirdos like the Big duck from fiji

[steep tulip]

I did skip a few
Malagasy hippo would be cool
Voay too

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Literally just Zealandia

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Also very personal choice but Maadtsoia

Tho tbh i would be Happy with any Maadtsoid

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I mean yes

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Again, entirely dependent on size

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Giant moa + Bush moa, Haasts, Vulcanops (mini), Sylviornis + megavitiornis, Mekosuchus, Meiolania and Gigarcanum

[plush nacelle]

Where terrarium birds

Like huia

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Doubt dlcs Will be that large, the mediterranean DLC alone has like 8 interesting and unique animals

[plush nacelle]

Idk. My Oceania Pack
NZ: haast eagle, moas, huia
Hawaii: giant geese, o'o
Caledonia: mekosuchus, delacourt gecko
Lord howe: meiolania

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What about a Sauropodomorph more basal than Plateosaurus? Not Herrasaurus or Eoraptor

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Please list cause I can think of like 3

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No sylviornis? Utterly unbased

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Cygus falconeri, Palaeoloxodon falconeri, and Nuralagus rex

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Thecodontosaurus

Which is UK(!!!)

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Nuralagus ain't even big enough to be a normal animal

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Also a pretty good choice
I kinda wonder if they will add titanoboa considering how big it is
And it would need to be a terrarium animal
Unless they develop a new system specifically for these sort of critters, which I'm doubtful since they aren't really that many

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Cygnus falconeri, paleoloxodon falconeri, Nuraligus Rex, myotragus balearicus, candicervus repalophorus, hippopotamus minor, megalenhydris barbaracina

Ig also Tyto but i can see why people wouldn't like it

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Titanoboa fits just fine in the largest terrarium

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I guess this is a decent list

Mostly dependent on if they'd rather the hippo be from here or madagascar

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Yeah either hippo is good

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Mind controlling Mau into making DLC solely about pleistocene mediterranean with 8 animals?

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Of course

Real question is what in the world would hippos have as skins

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That becomes the problem

Unless they say fuck it all alts or smth lol

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I mean wouldn't mind a three way hippopotamus alt

What would the third species be tho

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Could just be Hexaprotodon

Obviously not an island dweller but we're set to get wild horse as a quagga alt in an RE pack so meh

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I mean is Wild Horse gonna be a Quagga alt or the other way around

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https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[left spear]

Because 2 skin Quagga makes 0 sense and if It has only 1 skin then It would be the alt

[silver steeple]

Unless theres a third horse......

[left spear]

Hmmmmmm

Tarpan

Subspecies and populations are fair Game so i don't see why not

[silver steeple]

Assuming they even existed

[left spear]

Meh just do generic feral Horse then

As much of a subspecies as Quaggas

[plush nacelle]

Generic zebra

[silver steeple]

I mean

[left spear]

I mean it's just zebra with Orange back

[silver steeple]

Just do a dif genus like harringtonhippus or smth

[left spear]

If that makes a subspecies then the south African black lions should be their own thing to

[plush nacelle]

Northern quagga populations were really just like burchell zebra

[left spear]

Any North american Horse really

[left spear]

Kidna puzzled at how Quagga became an extinction icon

[silver steeple]

Most are invalid

[left spear]

I mean any

Even if they are frag

Harring works too

[left spear]

Objectively less cool than regular zebras imo

[safe willow]

quagga are pretty and people like pretty things (its me i think they look cool, but of course all zebra look cool)

[plush nacelle]

I guess having old photo is doing heavy lifting

[left spear]

Well yeah but i'm surprised how they even got their popularity initially, plenty of 20th century extinction with photos

Nvm it's 19th

But still

[cosmic cosmos]

we would need aquatics (or at least diving) to get titanoboa in the game, as well as some kind of underwater viewing system

[silver steeple]

No we would not

[cosmic cosmos]

would also require the addition of a live fish to feed it

[silver steeple]

It wouldn't be a full animal

It would be in a terrarium

Which are preset animations

On loop

[cosmic cosmos]

isnt the biggest terrarium only 10m?

[silver steeple]

Its well within the AZA minimum size for a snake the size of titanoboa

[cosmic cosmos]

the way i see it, id rather have no titan than terrarium

terrarium animals kinda suck

[quick ore]

terrarium animals add variety and include species who otherwise could never be in a game like this

[silver steeple]

Like meganeura and arthropluera

[quick ore]

exactly

[cosmic cosmos]

yes, but they also dont have feeding, reproduction or most other interesitng behaviours full animals have

[quick ore]

reproduction wouldn't make sense

their babies would be too small

[silver steeple]

And you're not gonna get those animals without being in terrariums anyways so

Its all or nothing

[cosmic cosmos]

titan could work as a full animal

[silver steeple]

It can't

Its an issue of animation

Not size

[cosmic cosmos]

its an aquatic snake, the issues of mesh navigation dont exist if it swims

[quick ore]

but we don't have fully aquatics and may never have them

[plush nacelle]

Titanoboa would still be boring as main animal. Like what exactly it would do?

[safe willow]

be a cool snake

[cosmic cosmos]

thats why i said if we get aquatics

[quick ore]

also that doesn't fit how any snakes are kept in zoos irl

[plush nacelle]

Titanoboa could be cool snake in terrarium

[quick ore]

no one keeps giant constrictor snakes in open air fenced in enclosures

[silver steeple]

Still needs to come onto land to breed and lay eggs

[cosmic cosmos]

they are livebearers LOL

just like other fully aquatic snakes

[silver steeple]

We don't know that

[quick ore]

this is proven?

[cosmic cosmos]

we do, boiids are all livebearers

[steep tulip]

Only snake we might get that it's not for terrarium is palaeophis

And that's a big if

[safe willow]

i dream of cool snake

[steep tulip]

Since aquatics need to come first and its also rather unknown

[silver steeple]

Untrue

The majority do

But not all

[plush nacelle]

Idk. I feel like most titanoboa fans think this animal would be able to jump at any big animal and constrict it in epic combat.

[safe willow]

no

[cosmic cosmos]

no

[quick ore]

I'm gonna be honest, y'all will be lucky if you get any exhibit squamates besides Megalania

[safe willow]

i mean im okay with whatever happens just a dream cause i love snakes one of my favorite animals

but ultimitly just a little thing

[silver steeple]

Yup

[cosmic cosmos]

meant boines, MB

[silver steeple]

Ah then yeah

[plush nacelle]

Stop lying to yourself. Most popular piece of media featuring titanoboa is it fighting tyrannosaurus thanks to that one documentary and big crocodiles on top of that. For average person this is what titanoboa might be aswell be.

[cosmic cosmos]

or maybe im just a squamate enjoyer?

[safe willow]

why so agressive ;; i was just saying i didnt

[silver steeple]

Those all are ovoviviparous afaik

[plush nacelle]

This why PK will break the mold and feature nice titanoboa in terrarium living peaceful life with its derpy puppy head

[cosmic cosmos]

its only the basal freaks that still lay egg (looking at you sand boas)

and whatever this THING is LOL

[safe willow]

creature

[cosmic cosmos]

can still be derpy fish eating fren and swim with my love stupendemys

[safe willow]

i just find exhibits more appealing than terrariums but also i cannot deny that it would be weird for a snake to not be in a terrium XD also idk what the finished terrariums will look like so they might be real cool >>

[plush nacelle]

Similar to what is now

[steep tulip]

Did titanoboa never go onto land?
I always imagined it like an anaconda

[plush nacelle]

But more animations

[cosmic cosmos]

anacondas are already mostly aquatic, and they struggle moving on land due to their mass

[safe willow]

i need to learn how to decorate them then

my little not birds need to look pretty

[steep tulip]

They don't swim at the surface tho

Idk would be kinda weird

They like crawl at the bottom

In pretty shallow waters too

[cosmic cosmos]

thats why i said diving/aquatics would be needed fist

[quick ore]

You know what would be a cool squamate to add as a terrarium animal?

[steep tulip]

Gigarcanum

Biggest gigarcanum fan idc

[quick ore]

giant shingleback babeyyyyyy

[cosmic cosmos]

Kawekaweau

[steep tulip]

This one is pretty cute too lol

[safe willow]

is there like a list of confirmed things coming

[steep tulip]

Kinda

Stego allo bary utah
Simosuchus tiktaalik compy yi

These are all the confirmed ones coming during ea

Also carno is semi confirmed I would say

[safe willow]

TIKTAALIK
i have a plush taktaalik

[mint creek]

Carno is kind of soft confirmed from dev comments

[quick ore]

even if Carno wasn't confirmed

it is an eventuality it would be included

[steep tulip]

We also know 2 semi aquatic mammals are coming
One for terrarium and the other for full exhibit

[cosmic cosmos]

there are also the sadly lost friends from the old roadmap (RIP sauropelta and teno)

no longer coming :C

[silver steeple]

Wouldn't be shocked if they made their return some day

Probably in the form of DLC

[safe willow]

honestly having played the demo...so long ago now its amazing how far the games come

[cosmic cosmos]

i hope so

[steep tulip]

We also have like
Assumptions based off a blurry pic devs posted with all the animals coming in ea, but are not confirmed

[mint creek]

megatherium...

my beloved...

[safe willow]

i know nothing about semi aquatic extinct mammals so thats gonna be a suprise no matter what

[silver steeple]

I know people were assuming Ambulocetus, but I wanna say Mau said something about that not being the case?

[steep tulip]

Did he?
I think he only said that about the minis
And well, I don't trust mau words anyway lol

For reasons

[quick ore]

My list for most wanted niche choices for terrarium species:
-Hibbertopterus
-Tiliqua frangens
-Falcatakely
-Microleo
-Deinogalerix

[steep tulip]

These are all great

[quick ore]

Hibber would be so good

[safe willow]

i feel like such a casual extinct animal anjoyer i dont know aaannnyyy of these names

[quick ore]

they are supposed to be lesser known dw

[plush nacelle]

There are 4 mammals comming regardless and one appears to be coming in U18 alongside semi aquatic stuff

[safe willow]

yea but thats the way ive felt in the very short time ive been here XD so many creatures i didnt know about
i know a lot more about extant animals

[plush nacelle]

I remember dark times when only 4 mammals were coming including ursus and megaloceros 😩

[safe kestrel]

i still remember when terrarium announcement and people went ape shit like jesus second coming for a month non stop and then when knew that terrarium is like the current aviary on steroid, they got disappointed because they think terrarium would like the current enclosure but on closed aquarium

i have a feeling that many people would disappointed when the fight feature came out

[austere sparrow]

Secret: Most potential additions are only asked for because the person suggesting them happens to know their name and is fond of them

[ancient ibex]

People were excited at the plans for terrariums, it wasn't something that people made up

[ancient ibex]

So people like animals, and that's a bad thing because?

[safe kestrel]

people were hype and made up of terrariums like they think that the animal inside that can breed, freeroam and shit

i still never forget that

DESPITE the dev saying otherwise

[ancient ibex]

The devs said they would freeroam before they changed their mind

As in, they found their original plans unviable to implement

Breeding is not off the table, ontogeny has always been

[ancient ibex]

#pk-discussion message

[safe kestrel]

people hyped it wayyy before that

[austere sparrow]

Animals are stinky? Duh

[ancient ibex]

Binturongs disagree

[austere sparrow]

Smelly

Take bath, popcorn butt

[outer moth]

I like Giga, yet it’s overhated since it’s “just another Carch”
Like, it still has a bigger media presence than Carch or Acro, and at the same time, it provides a lot of context to Carcharodontosaurid research
Paired with Concavenator, and you’ve got a good Carcharodontosaur lineup without too much overflow, while at the same time, satisfying most of the fan base

In the end, devs can add as many animals as they want, and if they want more species in a particular taxonomic spot, who’s to stop them?

I’m honestly all in for them doing more thyreophorans/sauropods/smaller species down the line

[sharp dock]

I expect giga to be gnarly looking to have a nice contrast with carch which is smooth and elegant

[outer moth]

Exactly

Devs could totally pull it off too

(Please Giga with feature scales like Torvo)

[outer crater]

Iguana spines

[left spear]

Anyways uhh placoderms aside from Dunkleosteus would be fun

[plush nacelle]

Dayum. It was 6 mammals before release, but it seems like mega and doed got moves into launch

[outer moth]

This looks lika a reaction image lol

[left spear]

Honestly i just wanted an excuse to post it lol

But coccosteus mini would be really nice

[desert flame]

I think a mini exhibit of fish other than semi-aquatic fish like Tiktaalik would be an aquarium.

[left spear]

I mean aquarimus would just be minis for aquatics

[desert flame]

yes

[austere sparrow]

I hope the devs pull moreso from WWD 2025 Carch gnarl instead of JW gnarl (aka "crodolification beam go!")

But if they did I'd be happy with that

[sharp dock]

I think something more akin to iguano

[austere sparrow]

Ugh, Iguano...

I guess at least Carch still exists

[slim flare]

Two wild horse skins

[outer crater]

Don't they have different limb proportions?

[slim flare]

Probably

[silver steeple]

So do the lions and it didn't stop them there

[outer crater]

I don't think that's present in their models

[silver steeple]

Correct

I'm saying that minor proportional differences can be overlooked if they want to implement the animal regardless

[ancient ibex]

The ontogeny system does wonders for that tho

[slim flare]

Also you can just do wild horse with the same limb length

[feral cedar]

Equus ferus / quagga / lenensis? 🧐

a wild horse, a quagga, and a FLOOF horse

[slim flare]

No

[feral cedar]

why not

[slim flare]

lenensis is a synonym of ferus

[feral cedar]

sauce?

[feral cedar]

Doesn’t this also imply Przewalski’s horse is a subspecies of E. ferus?

[slim flare]

Duh

Did you think it was separate?

Domestic horse, Przewalski’s horse and extinct wild horse are all the same species

[feral cedar]

…huh

But cattle and aurochs are different species?

[silver steeple]

Hey Satan, what pleistocene horses are valid as separate species/genera

[slim flare]

No

No domestic population is a separate species from its wildtype

[silver steeple]

At least they shouldn't be

[late swallow]

Hey uh what the fuck is this graph I'm so lost

[feral cedar]

Wikipedia lied to me

[slim flare]

Extinct ones:
Ovodov’s horse, Equus ovodovi
Stilt-legged horse, Haringtonhippus francisci
2-3 Hippidion species

[plush nacelle]

What about subspecies

Or everything is ferus ferus somehow

[slim flare]

Subspecies are irrelevant

[silver steeple]

And of those, which would you say fits best in PK

[feral cedar]

So when we say aurochs are extinct we specifically refer to Bos primigenius primigenius

[silver steeple]

Ignoring that we're getting Quagga and some version of ferus

[slim flare]

There’s also a possible second North American extinct equine but it hasn’t been genetically verified as distinct “Equus” cedralensis

[slim flare]

Not Ovodov’s horse

[silver steeple]

Lol

[slim flare]

Hippidion is obviously the most interesting

[slim flare]

And the other 2-3 aurochs subspecies

[late swallow]

B. p. taurus

[feral cedar]

do sheep have an extinct ancestor?

[late swallow]

(Taurine cattle)

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/smooth-move-cow-gif-16191603673901327691

[silver steeple]

It's probably mouflon so no

[feral cedar]

domestication is crazy when you think about it

we turned a highly aggressive aurochs into a… less aggressive cattle

dogs are a more crazy example

[slim flare]

They have an extant ancestor
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouflon

[silver steeple]

Jesus these guys were professional mewers or something

[feral cedar]

And Wikipedia wants me to donate >:(

[feral cedar]

misinformation, that’s all it is

Haringtonhippus can sleep standing up though right

Wait I think wild horses can too

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-boy-mewing-mewing-god-jawline-best-jawline-gif-3582189448456478631

[feral cedar]

so sheep are Ovis gmelini aries?

[silver steeple]

All of Equus can to my knowledge

[slim flare]

Yeah

[feral cedar]

And pigs are Sus scrofa domesticus?

why doesn’t Wikipedia update the pages lol

[ancient ibex]

Domestic animals are special cases in terms of nomenclature, but are nested within the wild ancestor

[plush nacelle]

Wild horse is going to be so fun. Imagine not knowing a lot and seeing random ass horse in PK and googling - equus ferus - just to see species being still alive.

[steep tulip]

We will have reached true normal kingdom

I like playing with my ponies

Also make a great starting species

[plush nacelle]

True

Include extinct reindeer subspecies while we are it

For true mammoth steppe experience

[left spear]

Well we are getting a zebra population not even subspecies

We can't really go more normal

[slim flare]

The distinction between population and subspecies probably isn’t particularly meaningful

[left spear]

I know, but with Quagga even less

Northern Quagga were literally normal zebras

[slim flare]

?

[left spear]

Northern Quagga populations were extremely similar to burchell zebra

I Will say It Quagga is in my opinion a lame choice, to this day i'm fascinated at how It became an extinction icon, should have been 3 wild horses.

[slim flare]

Quagga are cool looking

Idk why you shit on them but uphold wild horse

They’re rather equal

[left spear]

Wild Horse are atleast a real thing, and imo regular zebras are cooler than Quaggas

[slim flare]

Wdym

Wild horse and quagga are both real things

[left spear]

By Wild Horse i don't mean tarpan

[slim flare]

And?

[left spear]

I mean like North american horses

[slim flare]

And??

They’re equal to quagga

[left spear]

They are more interesting in my opinion than Quagga

[slim flare]

Both are populations/subspecies of an extant species

[left spear]

With North american horses i mean haringtonhippus and stuff like that

[slim flare]

Oh but that’s not what’s coming

It’s Equus ferus

[left spear]

I know

[slim flare]

Idk why you’d call it a wild horse tbh

It’s a stilt-legged horse

[left spear]

Didn't know that term

I've just Heard them refered to as North american horses or North american Wild horses

[toxic oriole]

... Is it the Eurasian Wild Horse or something?

[slim flare]

?

[toxic oriole]

I'm looking up Equus ferus and found Equus ferus ferus

Extinct subspecies or something

[slim flare]

North American wild horses are Equus ferus

Wild horses coexisted with stilt-legged horses in North America

[plush nacelle]

First extant species in PK 🗿

[left spear]

Hmm ok, i thought the terms refered to the same animal

[toxic oriole]

The one from Eurasia, or that WAS from Eurasia before the last one died in 1909 whilst in captivity
I've got a feeling E. ferus ferus might be in the Recently Extinct DLC

[slim flare]

It was confirmed so yes

[left spear]

Well then i would gladly replace all the equus with haringtonhippus or Hippidion

[toxic oriole]

So that makes about... Two horses

Somewat.

Eh, Horse and Zebrasubspecies

[slim flare]

Coward

I want quagga and wild horse. Wild horse would be great for most Pleistocene exhibits

[left spear]

Look i'm sorry but Orange spot zebra just doesn't do It for me

[amber field]

For a moment I thought they had weird ear shape

[toxic oriole]

I honestly find it funny

[slim flare]

Spot?

[left spear]

Well sploch, mark, patch

[toxic oriole]

Equus ferus ferus
Equus quagga quagga

[slim flare]

https://s3.animalia.bio/animals/photos/full/original/quagga.webp

[toxic oriole]

I find that naming to be funny

[left spear]

Big patch

[toxic oriole]

Quagga Quagga
Ferus Ferus

[left spear]

Although i can get behind a ferus ferus alt for the pleistocene recreations

The thing with Quagga is that you can't really mix It with anything

[toxic oriole]

That makes about two horses, right?

Two CONFIRMED horses or something?

[left spear]

The third skin will probably also be ferus ferus

[plush nacelle]

Cape warthog will come

[slim flare]

Bluebuck

[left spear]

Add cape lions too at that point

[toxic oriole]

Honestly I would love to see the Giant Horse, but then again...

[toxic oriole]

Cave Lions and Cape Lions

[slim flare]

Also if they add the giant African buffalo

[toxic oriole]

That might get confusing, and I'm all up for it

[toxic oriole]

Huh, because of it being quite fragmentary the authors say it might be dubious

Hmmm

Well are there any OTHER extinct horses that were there WITH that potentially dubious horse?

[steep tulip]

You mix it with palaeoloxodon using your imagination

[plush nacelle]

Or quagga with arsinotherium using JWE logic

[austere sparrow]

Quagga can support three skins

Classic Quagga Skin, Zebra skin, and "Bredback Quagga" skin

Honestly might prefer these aesthetically to the actual quagga 🤔

[slim flare]

But we’re getting wild horse

[austere sparrow]

Oh shit there's a slightly different looking extra subspecies

[austere sparrow]

Wild honse and Honse Zebra each main species

Honse kingdom

six honsies

🐎

[slim flare]

And that deserves a minimum of two skins

[austere sparrow]

🐎 🐎 🐎 🐎 🐎 🐎

SIX HORSE

SIXES

[hollow furnace]

4 skin Equus slot let’s go

First 4 skin mammal

[austere sparrow]

I thought all mammals had- ohhhh

Anyway

So take notes. Three Quaggas, Four Wild horse

Seven honses

Hoarse Kingdom

😤

[hollow furnace]

All mammals in PK are Jewish, please keep up to date on the lore

[austere sparrow]

Oj vey

Eight honses. Eohippus shall be confirm

Propaleotherium is an honorary horse, eleven honses

...Surely we will have at least two Gorilla honses. That's six slots totals. Seventeen honses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipposaurus

Horse lizard?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippodraco
Horse dragon?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equijubus
Horse mane?

[hollow furnace]

hippopotamus, river horse, as well, that’s 3 more horses

[austere sparrow]

Many opportunities for get honses up to 20

Horsistoric Kingdom

https://tenor.com/view/horse-of-absolute-agreement-gif-13190399601485891974

Does Brontothery count for honse? 🤔

Rhino horse?

[late swallow]

Brontotheres are horse shapes

[plush nacelle]

Zoo Kingdom shall rise. We now have rhino, elephant, lion, deer, bear. RE pack is going to provide us with horse, zebra, penguin, parrot / pigeon, cow

[slim flare]

After the sauropod list, we need the definitive Thyreophoran list

[late swallow]

Certainly a smaller list there

[slim flare]

🤨

[left spear]

I mean i could easily see a 12 member long list

[austere sparrow]

Stegosaurus
Kentrosaurus
Miragaia/Dacentrurus
Tuojiangosaurus
Huayangosaurus
Gigantspinosaurus/Yingshanosaurus
Gastonia/Polacanthus
Edmontonia
Kunbarrasaurus or Minmi or Antarctopelta
Stegouros
Pinacosaurus
Saichania/Tarchia
Euoplocephalus(?)

Not sure Euoplo is needed but it's pretty famous and not as frag as Nodosaurus, I believe

[plush nacelle]

With the amount animals people demand we easily will pass PZ numbers

[austere sparrow]

...Oh, maybe Scutellosaurus too, people ask for it quite a lot

[left spear]

Would remove stego from the list

Not much sense being there if it's confirmed

You would have to add scelido and anky too

[austere sparrow]

True

[slim flare]

I include included taxon for comparison

[left spear]

Yeah, the way i see It you can either make It a hopeful wishlist with new things you want or a more realistic one with the roster after the Game ends support

[slim flare]

For stegosaurs, I got:

Stegosaurus
Miragaia or Dacentrurus
Kentrosaurus
Tuojiangosaurus?
Huayangosaurus

Tuo isn’t great and Gigantspino is pretty fragmentary

It’s only claim to fame is it’s weird big shoulder spike

[austere sparrow]

Fair take imo

[left spear]

Chunkingo alt?

Would prefer dravido for a tiny stego but it's very frag

[toxic oriole]

Miragaia or Dacentrurus?
How about BOTH?

[left spear]

Do Dacen and have one of it's skins be like mira, essentially Lambeo/Magnapaulia

[inner wedge]

i think wuerhosaurus and gigantspino would be better picks that tuo and huayang

[left spear]

Hopefully the whole thing gets cleared Up before their time to make It in comes, that way either make what i said or Add mira if indeed valid

[left spear]

Eh if anything Wuerho would be a stego alt

[inner wedge]

nah no need to

[left spear]

A hesperosaurus alt for stego could also be fun

[glass snow]

it literally was once considered a species of stego

Wuerho

[inner wedge]

we are def not getting wuehrosaurus as an alt

[glass snow]

it would have to be an alt

if added really.

[left spear]

I mean yes we aren't getting it

But imo the best way to add It would be a stego alt, same with hesperosaurus which i do actively want

[hollow furnace]

Okay but to be fair, like almost every single stegosaur was once considered a species of Stegosaurus

[glass snow]

gigantspino, kentro, mira or dae and Tuojiangosaurus are the species I would use really.

[late swallow]

Dacentrurus or Dacentrurus?

[inner wedge]

idc about stegosaurids anyway

most samey dino group

[glass snow]

that would be ceratopsians ngl

[late swallow]

[left spear]

Nah pachycephalosaurs by far

[slim flare]

Wuerho is so fragmentary sometimes its a Stegosaurus synonym

[inner wedge]

actually true

[slim flare]

Both are too fragmentary

[glass snow]

Stegosaurs are fairly different between each other

[hollow furnace]

I feel like giganto could in theory be a huayang alt

[open heron]

If we're being like a million percent honest, the 'essential' thyreophoran list is probably just:
Scelidosaurus
Stegosaurus
Kentrosaurus
a nodosaur
Ankylosaurus

but you could definitely afford to toss in Tarchia/Pinacosaurus/Saichania and Miragaia/Dacentrurus on top of this. (oh and a Parankylosaur too)

[glass snow]

ceratopsians and pachycephalosaurs it literally is mostly the head

[late swallow]

It's not just "OOo plates"

[glass snow]

if you using that logic

[inner wedge]

doesnt seem that fragmentary, there is way worse out there

[left spear]

Yeah tbh the only group i would truly call samey is pachycephalosaurs, Ceratopsids atleast have very different head shapes, pachycephalosaurs have pretty minor differences all things considered

[late swallow]

My thyreophoran wants are rather large

[left spear]

No stegouros? Shameful

[late swallow]

I just like the funky armoured dudes

[glass snow]

if we get mira or dae should it get a Alcovasaurus alt

[tough marsh]

My baby goober

[late swallow]

Pinaco, sauropelta,euoplo, are personal needs on the Ankylosauria front

[left spear]

Dare i say we only need pachy + stigy and prenocephale/homalocephale

[open heron]

The last thing we need is more Morrison bloat but it wouldn't hurt.

[austere sparrow]

If we're being really honest honest, Scelidosaurus doesn't make the list

[late swallow]

This is Morrison slander and I won't stand for it

[tough marsh]

Look at how complete he is

[left spear]

Weird dog

[glass snow]

ngl I think filling up the morrison is fine it is like a enviorment with so many charistmatic species adding like campto, cerato, dippy, ornitho and the like would be fine.

[tough marsh]

It’s the most complete member of the group

[inner wedge]

my ancestor 🙂

[left spear]

I mean we have to admit Morrison is extremely bloated, doesn't mean the bloat is bad

[glass snow]

also the current morrison roster is like just sauropods

And a theropod and ornithopod

[open heron]

Neither would the nodosaur realistically, only Anky, Kentro, and Stego are regulars in paleozoo games, though I made the list to just skim the basics of representation (it is the essentials after all, not the wishlist)

[austere sparrow]

I would not mind Gargoyleosaurus, as much as it probably doesn't have much of a chance

[left spear]

Curently a Morrison safari would be pretty boring for the average person

[tough marsh]

Compare

Sorry biarmosuchians need more in media

[glass snow]

oops all sauropods but your missing dippy.

[late swallow]

Stegosauria, give Kentro, chungking, maybe gigantspino, dacentrurus armatus,

[austere sparrow]

Really want a basal Nodosaur and Gargoyleo is like. The closest to being known. And it's in Morrison, so.

[glass snow]

like I really want campto and stego as it would fill out morrison safari exhibits

[late swallow]

I could certainly have done without 3 camara

[open heron]

Morrison reps are like your African Savannah reps in regular zoo games tbh.

[left spear]

Eh would be weird if there only was a single ankylosaur, a lot of games have atletast a Nodosaur/parankylosaur

[glass snow]

this

[open heron]

You need a lot, but you also risk overbloating and leaving other areas scarce if you focus too much on them

[tough marsh]

Hear me out Yingshanosaurus

[late swallow]

Don't think I'm too familiar

[austere sparrow]

Oh, it was Ying, not Wing 😔

[left spear]

I can appriciate them because they are very versatile, but yeah would gladly sacrifice 2 cámara species for dippy

[open heron]

Look at Zt2's living animal roster and how much of it is just african savannah reps, makes other continents suffer.

[plush nacelle]

Seriously I think it is bad. I have no idea why it is eating up all alts.

[tough marsh]

Gigantospino but long neck

And the giant shoulder spine is placed differently

[late swallow]

Ah yes, look at 20 year old game

[left spear]

Same reason hungary is eating all eurasian pleistocene fauna, if It has things It has things

[austere sparrow]

ZT2 releasing a whole ass African expansion with multiple clone animals and not even every single African staple

[plush nacelle]

Giraffatitan is crying in corner, while camarasaurus has 3 alt species lmao

[slim flare]

Fragmentary enough

[late swallow]

I personally find Camarasaurus ugly as fuck

[inner wedge]

i won't accept any more fragmentary slander

[glass snow]

I mean it isn’t really eating up alts

[late swallow]

Au dictionary learned fuck faster than us

[open heron]

would you rather compare to the triple a company that has like 100 times the budget?

[late swallow]

Lfg

[glass snow]

as all the species minus torvo are like from the formation

[open heron]

because that's all we've got lol

[austere sparrow]

I always hated Camarasaurus... Ironically until the PK ones. Ours are hecking great imo

[glass snow]

it just has so many species many of which are alts

[austere sparrow]

Turns out if you don't shrinkwrap Camara it's ugly cute instead of just ugly, who knew

[toxic oriole]

Out of simple curiosity, are there any adult specimens of Eustreptospondylus or however its called?

[shell sonnet]

Better idea:
Scelidosaurus harrisonii/Scutellosaurus lawleri
Huayangosaurus taibaii
Gigantspinosaurus sichuanensis
Tuojiangosaurus multispinus
Kentrosaurus aethiopicus
Miragaia longicollum/Alcovasaurus longispinus*
Stegosaurus stenops/Stegosaurus ungulatus
Kunbarrasaurus ieversi
Sauropelta edwardsorum
Gastonia burgei/Polacanthus foxii
Edmontonia rugosidens/Denversaurus schlessmani/Panoplosaurus mirus
Pinacosaurus grangeri/Tarchia tumanovae/Tarchia teresae
Struthiosaurus transylvanicus
Euoplocephalus tutus/Scolosaurus cutleri*
Ankylosaurus magniventris

[plush nacelle]

My problem is these alts somehow being more morisson. It is just boring for me

[austere sparrow]

Fucking Allosaurus with three Morrison alts soon

[open heron]

It sucks too cus between Diplo, Cerato, Campto and kin we definitely still have a lot of Morrison guys that would sting to leave out but every animal that's added to one area is an animal that won't be added elsewhere.

[glass snow]

I mean the morrison lasted a long time and is highly researched

so many species of genera

[toxic oriole]

Hows about some Western Interior Seaway representation when aquatics are implemented?

Eh, could go for those birds

[shell sonnet]

those 3 plus orintholestes (and of course the two we know we're getting) are all of what's needed, everything else is just extra

[toxic oriole]

Hesperornis and gang

[open heron]

I don't think Ornitholestes is really that crucial tbh.
certainly not on the level of the other three.

[austere sparrow]

Thoughts:
Sauropelta is fair would really not mind that one.
Struthiosaurus my beloved
Alcovasaurus over Dacentrurus is some madness lol
Euoplo with a Scolosaurus alt checks out, sure

[left spear]

50% of mesozoic aquatics are gonna be from there

[shell sonnet]

like Marshosaurus and Alcovosaurus are nice extras but they're not needed

[plush nacelle]

3 morisson allosaurus, but argentinosaurus didn’t got single alt and people will be asking about more giant titanosaurs 🗿

[steep tulip]

Yeah
Like we have many alts because morrison just supports the addition of that many alts

[glass snow]

Alcovasaurus longispinus is alt bait

[steep tulip]

Tho no giraffatitan

[toxic oriole]

Hey they could always go for the usual birds that were there

[glass snow]

Dae or Mira should be the base.

[toxic oriole]

Those early flightless birds

Those guys first or something

[glass snow]

this ^

[toxic oriole]

Preceeding the WIS

[shell sonnet]

it covers the small therapod section of Morrison, it adds a lot

[open heron]

Alts were a lot scarcer when Argent was made.

[glass snow]

like I don’t want morrison bloat

all we really need are ornitho, campto, dippy, and cerato and I think that is it really.

[austere sparrow]

Imagine if we finally got retroactive alts and just got like. A dozen random Argent alts

[glass snow]

tany or coeluro could filly ornithos role though as small theropod.

[glass snow]

I could see alts being dlc things

[toxic oriole]

patagotitan.......

[steep tulip]

Diplo could be all alts as well lol

2 species plus baro

[left spear]

Can Cerato get any alts?

[shell sonnet]

Dacentrurus doesn't live with anything noteworthy

[glass snow]

like they said they won’t but they could make post dlc alts like giraffititan for a african dlc or the columbian mammoth

[steep tulip]

Any good ones?
No

[glass snow]

no it doesn’t need them and has non really noteworthy

[plush nacelle]

Argent was still prime alt material given fragmenty nature. No changes required to make something else

[steep tulip]

All relatives are scrappy af

[left spear]

How frag would they be

If it's around Argent i'm fine with it

[glass snow]

post dlc alts would be hella profitable ngl.

[steep tulip]

An arm and a toe and a snout tip

[toxic oriole]

So how related are Patagotitan and Argentinosaurus out of simple curiosity?

[austere sparrow]

I mean, that will maybe start mattering once the devs start caring about not littering the game with one-animal formations

[steep tulip]

Saltriovenator and genyodectes I mean

[late swallow]

Oh, they look way better than Frontier's.... phallocervical appearance, but I still don't like them. Ran into a brick wall at mach jesus

[steep tulip]

Eoabelisaurus could be related to cerato but it's too different

[late swallow]

They're both titanosaurs

[left spear]

Outstanding

[toxic oriole]

I can tell some people might be wanting Dreadnoughtus

[left spear]

We need an erythrovenator alt for Coelo

[glass snow]

like dlc alts would save time and money I think. Like not that much but still would be nice.

[shell sonnet]

more importantly Colossosaurians

[austere sparrow]

Why did they put Cerato silhouette on Nanuqsaurus?

[open heron]

What sucks about diplodocus is that all the best alt potential makes the morrison bloat even bigger than just adding D. carnegii itself (D. hallorum and Kaatedocus are both insanely goated alt choices.)

[late swallow]

Dread is most complete sauropod over 40t iirc

Diplodocus doesn't need more than one species

[austere sparrow]

Dinheirosaurus/European Supersaurus to the rescue? 🤔

[toxic oriole]

Funny thing they can do?
Diplodocus hallorum used to be called Seismosaurus

[shell sonnet]

And I'm trying to be one step ahead of that; unless Dacentrurus and Mira are proven to be synonymous, I'll go with the latter as the base

[toxic oriole]

So they could just make an excuse and call D. hallorum by Seismosaurus

And make it an alt or something

🤷‍♀️

[shell sonnet]

Both Barosaurus and "Semisosaurus" as alts would be great

[steep tulip]

I mean not like not giving alts to morrison animals will increase the alts in other dinosaurs

[glass snow]

^ this

[slim flare]

No, only the holotype

[steep tulip]

I take more species where I can

[glass snow]

especially if that species’s entire alt potential is morrison

[austere sparrow]

If they keep it as D.hallorum they need less Nigel lines tho

[left spear]

Also while i like world wide rep it's not that good either to just add single animal formations everywhere

It's Both bad for zoos and ecosystems

[toxic oriole]

So that means...

Eustrep is a juvie fossil or something?

Wait, juvie or sub-adult?

I'm not even sure

Might check

[steep tulip]

Sub adult

Pretty sure

[glass snow]

for dippy I would do D. carnegii and D. hallorum

you could add another but any other is just an extra bonus ngl.

[toxic oriole]

You could just call D. hallorum by Seismosaurus if you wanted to

Its still the same thing anyways

[open heron]

Kaatedocus is too quaint not to have imo.

[shell sonnet]

Single animal formation are fine for notable ones names that work as mains (Carnotaurus and Amargasaurus don't have any noteworthy neighbors or alts) but... for alts, they should come from formations that contain at least one other species

[steep tulip]

Well