Community Species Suggestions

[left spear]

It's where i would imagine they would put the Columbian mammoth excavation

[austere sparrow]

Oof. Yeah we're not gonna be getting all of those

[austere sparrow]

Columbian Mammoth was found in La Brea so probably not 🤷‍♀️

The skin system has two massive drawbacks for recent extinctionates. One is not covering the variation for animals like ice age horse. The other is animals like Bluebuck which are locked out due to only having a single sensible skin option

[plush nacelle]

I bet devs would have blast making bunch of horse skins turning rather simple animal more interesting.

[slim flare]

The wild horse really just needs 2 skins

Bay dun minimal striping
Grullo heavy striping

[feral cedar]

show examples pls

[austere sparrow]

...This might be deviantart horse adoption nonsense hold on

Welp. Have the Bay Dun.

And here is the Grullo too - oh. Okay the Bay Dun is on this one as well. Oh well.

...Which I would have noticed if I bothered to read the text on that second image before posting. Oops.

[plush nacelle]

Something like this

[austere sparrow]

Now that's fucking nice

Source?

Grullo and Bay Dun on a modern horse

[plush nacelle]

Would miss absolutely based leopard skin from cave art

[toxic oriole]

You too, huh?

[austere sparrow]

Grullo leopard... 💔

Maybe the silly horse deserves four skins

[toxic oriole]

I talked about "Suciasaurus rex" one time, and I know damn well there is NOT alot of material for that dinosaur to go off of

[austere sparrow]

...Do we even need the Quagga, really

[plush nacelle]

Come on

[lean hound]

I really hope western horse/whatever you wanna call it has stripes in at least one skin

even if minimal it feels really fitting and natural for it

[austere sparrow]

Ngl if we get western horse I'll eat a pigeon

[lean hound]

What are your predictions on the taste

[austere sparrow]

Doesn't matter won't find out

Like if the devs want an American horse, the Hagerman horse exists

Both the Quagga and the European wild horse/Tarpan were in the recently extinct pack; and the Tarpan easily has material for three skins and might still feel a bit lacking (Although I guess individual variation of coat hue could pull a lot of weight here)

So basically unless we get two horses there just isn't room for an American one lol

And horses aren't like. Say, Mammuthus or Panthera where more we could add have different vibes

[plush nacelle]

Good to know Mau is hyped to add wild horse in RE pack

[austere sparrow]

He is? Nice

[plush nacelle]

Enjoy your pigeon

[austere sparrow]

Hopefully they'll do it justice

Wild horse isn't Western Horse

[toxic oriole]

Here hold this Giant Horse

[austere sparrow]

Western horse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equus_occidentalis
Wild horse:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarpan

[plush nacelle]

Look above. Western horse might be just population of wild horse

Not even own subspecies

[austere sparrow]

Well if the Western horse doesn't exist, Mau can't add it to PK, can he now

[plush nacelle]

Equus ferus ferus in PK. Simple as that

I mean devs could pull ugrunaluuk

And say PK scientists found out western horse is distinct enough to be own species or something

[austere sparrow]

If the devs pull an ugrunaluuk then sure

But they won't

Cuz that's stupid

[plush nacelle]

Then it just going to be wild horse in la brea formation

[austere sparrow]

Damn, guess Nanotyrannus is already in Prehistoric Kingdom then, wonder why people keep asking about it

Unless Equus occidentalis Western Horse appears ingame by name it doesn't appear ingame I do not understand what's so hard to understand here

[hollow furnace]

probably won't even be equus ferus ferus, just equus ferus and equus quagga

It's not like there's the living subspecies to get confused with in game lol

[wild relic]

I agree with my friend

Especially Saurolophus

Don't know about Adasaurus tho

[hollow furnace]

Saurolophus sweep

[austere sparrow]

Adasaurus would have been a poggers Veloci alt but idk about adding it now

Saurolophus is definitely neat

[wild relic]

Especially with a north American and Asian species of different sizes

[austere sparrow]

It is in Chased By Dinosaurs, btw. And The Land Before Time. And maybe Dinosaur King, not sure about that one.

I know Sauro has fallen out of favor but forgetting about TLBT is mildly whack

...I guess the quote cuts off so maybe that was about games only in which case. Yeah idk I guess

[hollow flower]

Adasaurus in my opinion is kind of mid

Saurolophus on the other hand

Absolutely goated

[austere sparrow]

Adasaurus is neat for the "(Slighlt) Beeeg(ger) Velociraptor but in a different biome" factor but. Yeah

Underwhelming

Neat if you have an alt system, kinda pointless if you don't

[feral cedar]

Adasaurus had its chance, it missed it

[neat iris]

Only if it can recreate the picture

[neat iris]

Especially since Universal damaged its reputation with all the direct-to-video movies that are nothing like it

[wild relic]

This was the whole quoted tweet

But don't worry the person who tweeted forgot about Saurolophus in chased by dinosaurs but remembered now

[wild relic]

I mean yeah at this point we can just use Velo to substitute for any velociraptorines in formations like Ada for Nemegt or Achero for Hell Creek

[plucky mantle]

Saurolophus is in Chased by Dinosaurs

[austere sparrow]

Impeccable reading comprehension as always

[ancient ibex]

There are likely no Velociraptorines in late cretaceous North America

[wild relic]

I thought Achero was a velociraptorine?

Ah nevermind

That classification was changed

[ancient ibex]

TTBT, Dromaeosaur classification is in flux

Most are quite fragmentary

[austere sparrow]

If Acheroraptor turns out to be a definite Velociraptorine somehow you're gonna have to take the L and rename yourself Elrior

Actually no don't do that that sounds cursed

[ancient ibex]

Just reporting

Guy is this after all

[austere sparrow]

Dinosaur so frag it looks like a thornbeetle on a twig

[hollow flower]

Looks like a trollface

[austere sparrow]

...Does it?

[hollow flower]

The mouth part of one

[late swallow]

-# [A# we don't see it

[left spear]

Eh i can kidna see it

big stretch tho

[steep tulip]

Troll face if it was mean and fucked up

[hollow flower]

Primordial troll face

[loud needle]

Aruochs african short faced bear and the baleric cave goat would be amazing cenozoic species for the game

[faint oak]

Trueee

Big fan of the Mach Murder Pandas

[neat iris]

They’re probably gonna put aurochs in the recently extinct dlc; it’s in the concept art

[loud needle]

True but main whant for me is the cave goat they are so derpy they be great as a joke animal like a dodo

[ancient ibex]

Nah, not a joke animal

[neat iris]

A joke animal would be like Godzilla or a spinofaarus

[loud needle]

Fair i meant more like a goffy silly animal thats also really interesting

[austere sparrow]

Myotragus is no joke, jimbo. This ancient Mediterranean Caprine had a lowered metabolism and forward facing eyes to deal with its environment. It was a cold-blooded predator and not something to mess with, jimbo!

[loud needle]

Your rigth he would be the top predator of the game

[austere sparrow]

Imagine loading up a game to see a pile of Sauropod and Megatheropod corpses and atop of the pile sits some fucking tiny head-ass goat staring at you like - v -

"My enclosure is not clean. I am not happy."

[left spear]

I mean unironically its likely

[loud needle]

God thats halarious

[ancient ibex]

Myotragus is a reversal of this

[left spear]

-what would be its competition, nuralugus and uhh

[ancient ibex]

Big chungus and cursed goat would go hard

[left spear]

did the balearics have giant lizards like the canaries?

[ancient ibex]

Unsure. but dont think so; few endemic Podarcis species fwiw

[toxic oriole]

Island Gigantism Rabbit
Or as Erior said, Big Chungus

[left spear]

well the canaries still have a few giant lizards

[toxic oriole]

What other animals were on that island Big Chungus was found on alongside the cursed goat?

[left spear]

Then yeah Myotragus munching some snails from time to time would probably unironically make it the apex predator of the island

[ancient ibex]

Weird stuff went down due to the salinity crisis and the zanclean flood

Macaronesian islands were a different beast due to being oceanic volcanic islands

[left spear]

Talking about the canaries canariomys bravoi would be a fun mini

big ass rat

[late swallow]

I can tell you a joke animal, or even 2

[austere sparrow]

Go ahead

Myotragus will judge u

[left spear]

Its really funny because i dont know how to explain it but it just looks Mallorcan

[austere sparrow]

...It is Mallorcan

[ancient ibex]

That's a face fully fed up with German tourists alright

[flint sable]

If you want to get that pedantic

Probably

Also

Fun fact

There is still one state Moose and Jaguar both still inhabit

Or at least have observations on INAT

Arizona

[winter willow]

Are Moa too recently extinct to warrant suggestion? Because they’re cool

[hollow furnace]

Moa is effectively confirmed to be coming

in a recently extinct DLC after the game fully releases

[outer crater]

Nah it's fruit and herbivore

[winter willow]

Also, has anyone suggested any of the earlier mammalian orders from the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods? Like the docodonta and eutriconodonta

I’d also love the see some of the extinct mega marsupials, but I feel like adding marsupials would require a new breeding system just for them

But, like, thylacoleo carnifex is, here at least, the iconic prehistoric non-dinosaur

Also the thylacine being added would be a very, very nice nod to Australian players. We’re still guilty about that one.

Other iconic extinct Australian megafauna are the giant roo (more formally procoptodon), and the Australian rhino (diprotodon to its friends)

Hackett’s Giant Echidna (murrayglossus hacketti) was an echidna the size of a sheep

[slim flare]

You mean the woolly mammoth?

[winter willow]

Marsupial lion.

Largest carnivorous marsupial to have existed

Even back then Australia had a fairly unique ecosystem in terms of fauna

[slim flare]

I know

[winter willow]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thylacoleo is the Wikipedia article, because I’m about to have a nap and thus can’t be bothered to look for a more academically rigorous source

[slim flare]

I know what Thylacoleo is

I’m just saying the woolly mammoth is way, way more famous

Unless we disregard it on the grounds it went extinct in historical times

[feral cedar]

lol

nuh uh

if you're referring specifically to mammals then woolly mammoths and Smilodons are way WAY more popular

Between Game of Thrones and Colossal a lot of people know dire wolves even if neither of them have Aenocyon

I also know for a fact that more people know about ground sloths than they do about Thylacoleo

If you wanna use the official taxonomic definition of a dinosaur then marine reptiles, pterosaurs, Dimetrodon, and the megalodon are all way more iconic non-dinosaur prehistoric animals than Thylacoleo

[winter willow]

The thing is, Australia had a thing about, god, twenty years ago now? where we pivoted hard into pride about our native animals. Hence why we now have Easter Bilbies alongside the Easter Bunny. I’m obviously simplifying a number of issues which interacted with each other there, but the point is, pop culture depictions of prehistoric animals started paying more attention to our native ones. And kids loved the marsupial lion. I mean, why wouldn’t they? It’s got lion in the name! As I said, it’s quite a parochial request, obviously it is given the whole “very few marsupials outside Australia” thing.

Mammoths and smilodons are cool…but they’re not Australian cool, if that makes sense.

Plus I just think they’re neat and want people to learn more about them. The same is true of most megafauna actually. The fact that the game even has things like elasmotherium and juxia is unexpected but wonderful. More people should learn about them

It’s also why I’m hoping we see more Triassic, and even Permian critters

[wild relic]

Like we get that we were just stating that you said the marsupial lion is more popular and iconic than the woolly mammoth and saber toothed cat

[plush nacelle]

If he is talking just about australians then thylacoleo might be more popular. Never underestimate love of australians for their native wildlife

[wild relic]

That's true

[feral cedar]

Pride in your native wildlife is totally valid

[wild relic]

Mhm mhm

[feral cedar]

Only issue is the claim that Thylacoleo is the prehistoric non-dinosaur

(it's not)

https://tenor.com/view/mammoth-gif-26138836

Here in my country everyone is familiar with mammoths and sabertooth cats. My dad doesn't know dinosaurs beyond the ones in JP and even then he can't name all of them but he uses the term "mastodon" to refer to a really buff guy

[wild relic]

Hmm I feel like sharing the hadrosaurs I would want to see come to the game eventually:
Saurolophus
Olorotitan
Maiasaura
Corythosaurus
honorable mentions:
Tsintaosaurus
Ajnabia
Gryposaurus
Shantungosaurus

[feral cedar]

Considering the ones we currently have

Lambeosaurines could have Tsintaosaurus and Olorotitan as full slot animals, they're pretty unique

Corythosaurus could be thrown in as a partial 'alt' reusing a lot of lambeo stuff and maybe with a Hypacrosaurus alt for that sweet sweet Dinosaur Park-Horseshoe Canyon rep

[winter willow]

This. Sorry I should have been more clear. I suspect most people outside Oz aren’t even aware of it

Globally then yes, it probably doesn’t even make the top 5

[feral cedar]

(sadly)

If it's any consolation Australia does get the thylacine really up there

[winter willow]

I meant in Australia. As I said, I was being parochial, but also what an opportunity to educate people on our incredible (and dead) wildlife.

[feral cedar]

Ajnabia is interesting in that it's a hadrosaur from Africa, but it's pretty scrappy and there isn't much to add from its formation. If we want a duck-bill who's smol then a European island dwarf like Telmatosaurus would actually fit in better, mostly cause a Hatzeg Island DLC would sell like hot cakes with Hatzegopteryx as a flagship

[plush nacelle]

Pleistocene australian megafauna is given at some point

[winter willow]

PK never intended to be an educational tool (at least I assume it didn’t), but its capacity to serve as such is pretty great. Take the velociraptors for instance. Showing them to a friend had them learn that Jurassic Park may have been misrepresenting certain dinosaurs

[feral cedar]

I honestly really want Procoptodon, Diprotodon, megalania, and Thylacoleo to be in PK. Maybe throw in Genyornis

[wild relic]

Quinkana would be sick too

[winter willow]

Do we know if they’re ever going to introduce smaller exhibit spaces for small animals, such as the lystrosaurus and other cool things too small for enclosures?

[feral cedar]

yes

terrarium critters

[wild relic]

Yeah that's been confirmed for a long time

[feral cedar]

We currently have a 'mini aviary' for Archaeopteryx and Microraptor

It's getting rebranded to terrariums and those two will be joined by Compsognathus, Yi, Tiktaalik, and Simosuchus

And a few others that haven't been revealed yet

[wild relic]

Can't wait to see the rest

[feral cedar]

ngl

free my boy compy

[wild relic]

Oh right continue what you were saying for my selection of hadrosaurs

[feral cedar]

hold on lemme just

[winter willow]

I have to say, I’m a little disappointed by the aviaries largely because they feel empty. They almost feel placeholder. I mean, maybe they are?

[feral cedar]

PK compy looks to be roughly 1 m long

I'm pretty sure that the compy specimens we have are not adults, but they're not that far off

And comparing this hypothetical 'adult' compy with Velociraptor, I'd reckon this could allow the elegant jaw to just BARELY break free of terrarium constraints

free my boy compy

[wild relic]

If I recall it's not just size that is a factor for an animal being put in a terrarium

[plush nacelle]

Yes, but in compy case it is just size

[silver steeple]

The size matters for babies

[low bridge]

Hey everyone

[feral cedar]

Am I mistaken in assuming we can't look inside the bones of compy specimens to see how mature they are because we only have 2 specimens and they're both so good it'd be a shame to saw them open

[low bridge]

Horned Goober like Ceratogaulus should be Neat in game

[silver steeple]

That and its not unlikely that they're too fragile to risk doing more damage than absolutely necessary

[feral cedar]

man that sucks

I don't blame them though, this is... this is complete in my book

Like damn. It's all there

[wild relic]

Australasian crocs

I also remember learning about this guy

Voay robustus or the Madagascan horned crocodile

[winter willow]

Because Australia needed more crocs

[wild relic]

Yeah there's like five here
Quinkana
Trilophosuchus
Baru
Kambara
Harpacochampsa

[winter willow]

Cryolophosaurus and trityldontidae would add some fauna to Antarctica

[wild relic]

Maybe even Glacialisaurus and Antarctopelta

[winter willow]

I feel like there’s all of, like, two species in the game you can use the boreal paleoflora with? I’m hoping they add more eventually.

Speaking of, I wonder what the game is going to do with Ugrunaaluk. I imagine keep it as distinct

[wild relic]

Yeah I don't know why they made it distinct again in game

[winter willow]

Variety maybe? Again, there isn’t many boreal dinosaurs

[wild relic]

They could've just kept it as Edmontosaurus kuukpikensis like before but it's whatever

[winter willow]

It only bothers me in the sense that I cannot for the life of me pronounce the name.

I assume the dimetrodon has been suggested?

[toxic oriole]

Procompsognathus though...

[wild relic]

Yes and I'm pretty sure it's coming after the game fully releases

[toxic oriole]

Yeah that one aint getting out of terrarium

Its slightly smaller than Compsognathus in general

[wild relic]

Would we really need Procompsognathus tho? I mean like unless you're a big fan of the JP novel it would be nice but in the grand scheme of things it's just a tiny Coelo because it's a coelophysid

[steep tulip]

Could be cute ig

[toxic oriole]

Then theres also Segisaurus

Though tbf

I don't know why small coelophysid dinosaurs like Segi and Procompy are poorly preserved

Is it just the environment?

[steep tulip]

Segi isn't that terrible tbh

[wild relic]

Small bones easier to break and wither away I think

[toxic oriole]

Now we come to the question in terms of Terrarium coelophysids

Procompsognathus or Segisaurus?

[wild relic]

Well Segi is definitely more complete than Procomp

Although

The specimen we have is a sub adult

[toxic oriole]

Still close enough to adult size, right?

[steep tulip]

Oh nvm

Thought it was more complete lol

[wild relic]

But it's big enough to not be in a terrarium

[toxic oriole]

So Segisaurus is larger than the other two guys

Compy (Compsognathid) and Procompy (Coelophysid)

Huh, rather similar in size to Velociraptor from what I can see

Hold on though

Alright lets see

Damn, it aint even alligned properly

[wild relic]

About the same size yes

Also a hypothetical adult size

[toxic oriole]

A Velociraptor sized Coelophysid... Interesting

[wild relic]

But really it's not that different from Coelo so it's inclusion wouldn't really be required

[toxic oriole]

Well uhhh, my answer on the choice between Procompsognathus and Segisaurus is moreso dependant

In terms of pop culture, Procompsognathus is a pick
In terms of a more complete fossil record, Segisaurus is another

[wild relic]

Yes but in terms of terrarium animals than it would be Procompsognathus

Because it's appropriately in the terrarium size limit

[toxic oriole]

Moving on from small theropod carnivores like those guys...

Wow, not alot of people mentioned Kelmayisaurus

Then again

That ones a partial carcharodontosaurid

[wild relic]

Exactly

[toxic oriole]

Could also take Oxalaia, but then again kinda pointless

Not to mention the holotype fossil being destroyed (recovered but BARELY recognizable)

And that there isnt much of the spinosaurid to go off of

[wild relic]

Then we'll move on to our next best Brazilian spinosaur Irritator

[toxic oriole]

Yep, smol spinosaur

Eocarcharia is a confusing case really

Chimeric dinosaur

Got a Carcharodontosaurid maxilla, and a Spinosaurid head piece

At least it aint dubious

Just a chimera

even then its spinosaurid depiction would not look any different to other baryonychine spinosaurids like suchomimus and a few others

I think you could say the same for Kryptops, that one abelisaur with an allosauroid piece or something

(then again those two have met one another)

Alright, Giganotosaurus could probably be DLC post EA
Theres a few Giganotosaurini tribe members, one of them was recently discovered and named (Taurovenator), another has larger specimens coming soon (Larger than Acrocanthosaurus, yes its Meraxes), and another is infamous for being the predators of Argentinosaurus (Mapusaurus)

Though its best not to bloat with the Giganotosaurini tribe members

[winter willow]

Tiny cuties could include the Sinosauropteryx.

Okay this is the JWE2 depiction, but just lookatit!

[left spear]

Jwe2 isn't a bad depiction tbh

Maybe a bit too soft but that's about it

[restive eagle]

wouldnt that be too similar to the other hairbal

ingame

[shell sonnet]

which one

[austere sparrow]

Yeah, I wonder which of the myriad Compsognathids they could possibly be talking about 🤔

[late swallow]

Knowing so much about S. prima's colouration would kinda put it in the same category with M. gui. And outside of Compsognathus proper, we don't have any other members of Compsognathidae coming to the game

[austere sparrow]

Do feel S. prima deserves to appear for the coloration and scientific importance factor

I guess it's DLC filler/free update bait tho

[hollow furnace]

It’d be a terrrarium animal, cheap, easy, low effort

[ancient ibex]

Also neoteny Yuty

[austere sparrow]

They're not gonna make baby Yuty Sinosauropteryx colored because of a silly fringe hypothesis

[steep carbon]

ew

[feral cedar]

No way, reading through this chat and I see unironic conversation on the inclusion of Segisaurus in PK

ngl getting a small coelophysid for terrariums would be neat for DLC filler

[steep carbon]

why would anything surprise you at this point?

[austere sparrow]

Segisaurus is a canon animal, don't you know

[feral cedar]

I mean it’s perfectly respectable to consider any dinosaur with discussion on its merits

[chrome wigeon]

Sino can use the compy rig

[slim flare]

Sinoceratops

[austere sparrow]

Sinomacrops

[feral cedar]

I guess I’m just used to Segisaurus being wanted because it’s one of those “canon” species the JP/JW community goes crazy for because of its inclusion in background set dressing

[austere sparrow]

Sinotyrannus

[silver steeple]

Sinosaurus

[austere sparrow]

Sinopliosaurus

Sinophorosaurus 🫣

[steep carbon]

charted the pk critters for fun and to see what holes need filled

[austere sparrow]

Damn where are the chirp chirps at tho 😔

Have a Segisaurus with caruncles

[slim flare]

Isn’t that the one where it was suppose to be Allosaurus?

[austere sparrow]

Wrong thread but yes

[feral cedar]

Argentinosaurus*
Archaeopteryx*

And you should rename mammoth to Mammuthus for consistency

[slim flare]

Nasutoceratops is a Centrosaurine, not close to Triceratops

[austere sparrow]

I think we should add Abrictosaurus
Not because it's a good suggestion in any way, it just hasn't been suggested by anybody else and I feel bad for it

[feral cedar]

ngl tho this chart is helpful

Megaloceros as the only artiodactyl is stinky…

[austere sparrow]

One artiodactyl and it's big deer... 💀

No hate against big deer, big deer is cool, but. Come on 💀

[feral cedar]

Hey, I love big deer

I would however want… well, more

[austere sparrow]

Yeah

Ideally something more interesting than big Bison

[feral cedar]

Also even though they technically are artiodactyls by definition whales don’t really count

Mostly cause the niche a cetacean fulfills in a park sim is completely different to what terrestrial artiodactyls would

[austere sparrow]

tru

[feral cedar]

I’d also extend that to entelodonts cause when we want more artiodactyls we mean we want more herbivorous animals to fill enclosures with

Not to say Daeodon is unwelcome though

[ancient ibex]

Stripped babies are common in nature and already implemented for a few theropods in-game

I'd also take Holtz's judgement into consideration

[feral cedar]

It’s possible most of the Cretaceous “compsognathids” are bebes

[ancient ibex]

Sinosauropterygids most likely

[feral cedar]

Ah, they gave them a new family?

[ancient ibex]

It was first erected for Sino back in 97 I believe, but had been reused with the newer species

[feral cedar]

I see

[ancient ibex]

The SA ones are weird

I wouldn't bat an eye if they end up megaraptorian-adjacent

[glass snow]

sino being yuty would be sad as sino would take priority

[ancient ibex]

But SA stuff is odd

[glass snow]

but science doesn’t care about names

so yeah it will be interesting to see an actual publication on this

[ancient ibex]

Sinotyrannus being Huaxignathus may have some support, at least genus-wise

[feral cedar]

Can you imagine we find a Yutyrannus bonebed with babies and they’re identical to Sinosauropteryx

[glass snow]

I mean it is possible

we could find one

[ancient ibex]

Not too likely, as those would involve heavy niche partitioning

Unless there is extensive parental care

[austere sparrow]

We did find three Yuty's of different ages together

[ancient ibex]

Never forget that elephant bird eggs are generally larger than even sauropod ones

[glass snow]

Also wasn’t there possible Sino eggs though I think those were seen as unlikely to be eggs or smth?

[ancient ibex]

Dinosaurs mostly went by large clutch size

[digital pendant]

A lot were doing the tortoise strategy

Numbers

[ancient ibex]

It was a thing with Scipionyx that Compsognathus-sized adults would be borderline pulling a kiwi to lay eggs with those hatchlings

[feral cedar]

On the topic of juvis, I do find it interesting that Sciurumimus and Juravenator are both exquisitely preserved juvenile theropods of a possible megalosauroid classification, located in the same formation

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, the 2 Compy specimens aren't really next to each other, that's about the distance as between Horseshoe Canyon and Hell Creek

[glass snow]

like the “ eggs” in that one sino specimen is possibly just badly prepared parts of the intestine or something. They don’t appear to be eggs

[austere sparrow]

The reddish brown colouration previously inferred for Sinosauropteryx is based on the melanosomes preserved in the specimen of a separate genus, Huadanosaurus. Some contention has arisen with an alternative interpretation of the filamentous impression as remains of collagen fibres, but this has not been widely accepted.
HUH??? (From Wikipedia)

[ancient ibex]

The collagen fibre is Feduccia BANDit crap

[feral cedar]

Combined with the fact that Torvosaurus gurneyi eggs were found to be highly porous in a way that makes them suited for sea turtle-style burying…

I find this to make me picture a torvo swimming to the islands to lay eggs where there’s few predators

[glass snow]

multiple specimens of what is referred to Sinosauropteryx are used for the patterns or colors I think.

[austere sparrow]

Longrich's conclusions were supported in a paper first published online in the journal Nature in January 2010. Fucheng Zhang and colleagues examined the fossilized feathers of several dinosaurs and early birds, and found evidence that they preserved melanosomes, the cell components that give the feathers of modern birds their colour. Among the specimens studied was a previously undescribed specimen of Sinosauropteryx, IVPP V14202,[10] though this specimen is now the holotype of a separate genus Huadanosaurus.[11] By examining melanosome structure and distribution, Zhang and colleagues were able to confirm the presence of light and dark bands of colour in the tail feathers of this specimen (now the holotype of Huadanosaurus) like that of a red panda. Furthermore, the team was able to compare melanosome types to those of modern birds to determine a general range of colour. From the presence of phaeomelanosomes, spherical melanosomes that make and store red pigment, they concluded that the darker feathers of this specimen were chestnut or reddish brown in colour.[10] More research on the coloration of Sinosauropteryx based on three specimens (NIGP 127586, NIGP 127587, and IVPP V12415) reveals that it had a raccoon-like bandit mask and countershading patterns most likely associated with an open habitat, indicating that the Jehol likely had a range of habitat types.[12]
More on Huadanosaurus

[glass snow]

NIGP 127586, D 2141 and NIGP 127587 are Sino btw

[ancient ibex]

That's compy sized alright bwahaha

Personally I'm more keen on Compsognathus itself ending up within Tyrannosauroidea ngl

[austere sparrow]

Wikipedia seemingly neglects to mention what color we currently believe Sinosauropteryx to be, now that Huadanosaurus was moved out. I am gonna assume it's probably more orange, in line with recons I've seen? But also lmao

[amber field]

is born in the naturally?

[steep carbon]

some Euarchontoglires and xenarthra could make the mammal section feel a bit more filled out,

[feral cedar]

I like the idea of compy being a dwarf of some kind feasting on Solnhofen as the apex predator by virtue of no competition

But I’m not a paleontologist

[glass snow]

Compy and sino being cursed neotenic freaks would be funny.

Like some specimens are unknown large theropod or yuty but the holotypes are some neotenic creature.

[austere sparrow]

Damn, it sure is inconvenient for "Compsognathids are babies" believer that there's now a second one in Yixian, though. Wonder what that one grows up into. Must be some missing Megatheropod or something

...I say that but looking at Huadano's head, I honestly wouldn't even be surprised if this one was a baby Yuty

[feral cedar]

Maybe Michael Crichton got it right in 1989 when he chose Procompsognathus as his resident gremlinsaurus theropod

It’s a basal coelophysid so it’s definitely small and staying small

[austere sparrow]

Huadanosaurus and juvenile Yutyrannus

Sinosauropteryx by contrast. I guess it could theoretically fit into a growth series assuming Huadanosaurus is larger

I maintain that "Compsognathids are just Megatheropod babies" is some utterly silly shit though. Like, I guess they might be, at least some of them, but, lmfao

[slim flare]

Never

[silver steeple]

Its possible but not especially likely

We only really have evidence of that being the case in 2 of them

[silver steeple]

Straight up mammothing my steppe rn

[austere sparrow]

Which two?

[silver steeple]

Scuriumimus and Juravenator iirc

Both found to be more likely carnosaur babies

[silver steeple]

Scuriu was found to be a carch and Jura a megalosaur I believe?

[austere sparrow]

Neat

[slim flare]

Gimme gimme gimme

[shell sonnet]

Here you go

[ancient ibex]

Canjuers is 1000 km away fwiw

[ancient ibex]

Both megalosaurs

[left spear]

The Simus

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/potato-tomato-brooklyn99-gif-10539258

[slim flare]

Wrong mammoth steppe

[shell sonnet]

Please take up all complaints to the office down the hall

[slim flare]

They’re both nightshades!

[silver steeple]

Exactly

[ancient ibex]

And one evolved from the other

[slim flare]

Wdym

[ancient ibex]

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(25)00736-6

[steep tulip]

Sinosauropteryx if its a baby of a much bigger animal it's definitely not yutyrannus
There are bigger undescribed specimens assigned to sinosauropteryx that are supposedly fully grown, and while they are bigger they aren't megatheropod by no mean

Like even looking at the holotype proportions you can tell its not on the same level as juravenator and sciriumimus or scipionyx

[ancient ibex]

Juravenator, Sciurimimus and Scipionyx are hatchlings

Also, "fully grown" is not a good area for dinosaurs, Big Al had laid eggs and is nowhere near the full size of a jimmadseni

[waxen grail]

Mature would be better wording?

[steep tulip]

Ig so
But also like

Why sinosauropteryx

Like does it have anything over sinocallioteryx huaxiagnathus or dilong

[austere sparrow]

You mean as an addition?

[shell sonnet]

It's the first "dino" we found with feathers

[austere sparrow]

It has color, ease of inclusion, fame and scientific importance

[left spear]

Se have sinos coloration

And is more well known than all other save dilong

[shell sonnet]

probably in the top five most important dino finds of the last century

[steep tulip]

Maybe by throwing random names around we finally figure out which one is yutyrannus juvenile

[silver steeple]

Sexually mature and skeletally mature are definitely 2 very different things

[ancient ibex]

Huaxignathus is also most likely growing into Sinotyrannus, that one has the most solid backing

[left spear]

Tbh maybe more than dilong aswell, dilong has Lost a shit ton of popularity in The last years.

[austere sparrow]

Ohhh that's what you mean? Yeah Sino being a Yuty juvenile is probably utter grasping hogwash if you ask me

[silver steeple]

Humans aren't skeletally mature until our early to mid 20's but are obviously sexually mature much earlier

[ancient ibex]

Still, "juveniles of this group of animals looking like that, being able to grow into that other thing" may be the best we can get

[ancient ibex]

And mammals are grown far closer to adult size than dinosaurs

[silver steeple]

Ye

[slim flare]

You have to separate sexual and skeletal maturity

[silver steeple]

Yeah that's what I'm saying

[slim flare]

Animals reach sexual maturity far faster than skeletal, usually

[austere sparrow]

"Sinosauropteryx is baby Yuty" believers when Sinosauce has two species and a sufficiently distinct sister taxon that recently got split out:

[left spear]

Sexual maturity also varies vastly between individuals

There are rare cases of 8-9 years on humans

[slim flare]

Or younger

[austere sparrow]

Hey guys I think Acheroraptor might be juvenile Tyrannosaurus 🤓

[hollow furnace]

No archeoraptor is a juvenile Nanotyrannus, Dakotaraptor is a juvenile tyrannosaurus

[left spear]

Dakot is an adolescent Nanotyrannus

Convergent humor i see

[silver steeple]

Your mother is a juvenile tyrannosaurus

[austere sparrow]

Tyrannosaurus is a subadult Dakotaraptor, they shrunk in their old age

[hollow flower]

Wheres that one picture of a sauropod harnessing the power of zeus

[hollow flower]

Brilliant

[slim flare]

Thescelosaurus hatch from unfertilised Edmontosaurus eggs

[steep tulip]

There's the 4 meter long "sinosauropteryx" (now classified as a tyrannosauroid)
I think I've seen thrown around it being yuty juvenile
There's a similarity

[hollow furnace]

Much like the arms of the tyrannosaurus as it matured

[left spear]

Just posted It yesterday lol, first on my gallery

[slim flare]

Yeah, what that is is ambiguous

Adult Sinosauropteryx, juvenile Yutyrannus, both, neither

[austere sparrow]

🤔 What if all the Nemegt Oviraptorosaurs were secretly a single growth series

Would that be fucked up or what

[slim flare]

You sound like Saurian

[austere sparrow]

Torosaurus is Triceratops ree but also Anatosaurus is totally a valid genus because look at the time

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

It's cute you think you know something we don't

[feral cedar]

To be fair Anatosaurus might be valid cause the method used to lump it under Edmontosaurus would result in a lot of hadrosaurs in the lambeosaurine side to get lumped too

[silver steeple]

Would it tho

[feral cedar]

Cory and lambeo would be turned into species of Hypacrosaurus

[feral cedar]

iirc it’s that baby regalis and annectens are indistinguishable or something

[left spear]

What's worse overlumping or overextending

[shell sonnet]

Hypacro is quite a bit different from those two

[silver steeple]

Lambeosaurines are pretty distinguished by their crests

[feral cedar]

@ancient ibex knows more than I do

[silver steeple]

Overlumping

By a longshot

[steep tulip]

Pretty interesting (rough interpretation of the skull)

[silver steeple]

"rough" is right

Yeesh

[slim flare]

I think that crest is a flattened skull top

[silver steeple]

Definitely imo

[slim flare]

Also the teeth are out of their sockets

Although the curving is weird

[austere sparrow]

Overlumping is worse definitely lol

Shoutout to GSP

[steep tulip]

I mean its supposed to be a rough interpretation
No actual study was done on this thing (at least before this one was made)

[feral cedar]

Overlumping is why yang and deinon didn’t get their chance to be more known

[slim flare]

Over lumping is probably less useful yeah

[steep tulip]

Most often than not they probably belong to animals that we didn't discover
Only times I can buy it is when the formation biota actually has a decent amount of samples

Like yixian

[austere sparrow]

Oversplitting introduces annoying dino fans to species. Overlumping makes Deinonychus disappear into the pop cultural shadow of Velociraptor wearing its skin

[feral cedar]

Yangchuanosaurus could’ve been here, even if just a name, it’s better than nothing

[slim flare]

What if they wanted actual Metricanthosaurus?

[steep tulip]

We stone them

[feral cedar]

We know the prop team meant Yang cause of a bunch of things I need to be on my computer to show

[hollow flower]

What an animal

[slim flare]

Based

[lean hound]

Could be worse

[slim flare]

Segisaurus was also probably Allosaurus

[feral cedar]

I will give credit where credit is due, Metriacanthosaurus is a nice name

[hollow flower]

I can understand Metri and Yang getting mixed up

But Segi and Allo?

[shell sonnet]

Greg Paul lumped Yang into Metria (he even admits doing so sorrowfully because of how poorly preserved the latter is); pretty much all illustrations in Paul's of Metria are of Yang and that Predatory Dinos of the World was clearly the only reference used by the prop department

[feral cedar]

An allo skeletal was underneath a paragraph talking about segi

[slim flare]

It makes sense if you read the book

[steep tulip]

They didn't want bary to be left out as the only british dinosaur
(procerato is a filthy coelurosaur doesn't count)

[austere sparrow]

Fucking Greg Paul

[shell sonnet]

Bary was new and different looking

that's probably the only reason

[austere sparrow]

Human Centipedes of people who suck at taxonomy and properly getting their ideas across

[shell sonnet]

I mean Paul is the reason Giraffititan is separate from Brachi

[feral cedar]

Poor formatting on Paul’s part made it look like the allo skeletal was complementary to the segi paragraph, so the uninformed prop team took one look at the Allosaurus, reasonably found it to be awesome, and assumed this peak predator was called Segisaurus

[hollow flower]

Fair enough

[slim flare]

Paul think HC has like 7 Tyranosayrids

[hollow flower]

Paul is an odd individual

Sometimes he gets things right, more often than not though he also seems to get things wrong

[inner wedge]

im out of the loop can someone tldr why suddenly compsognathans are being balkanized as baby theropods?

[feral cedar]

The REAL JP brochure roster is thus Herrerasaurus, Baryonyx, Proceratosaurus, Allosaurus, and Yangchuanosaurus

[shell sonnet]

Procerato is probably Orintholestes

[feral cedar]

No

[austere sparrow]

What the fuck is an Orintholestes

Can we add it to PK

[inner wedge]

seems like one of those dumb ass theories from the mid 1900

[steep tulip]

Procerato had decent fame

[shell sonnet]

No it didn't

lol

[steep tulip]

Yes it did

At least more than now

It was featured quite a bit in books from the 80s to the 90s

[shell sonnet]

I don't know about the 90's but you're kidding yourself about the 80's

[steep tulip]

What's this

[shell sonnet]

Percantage of books (usually in the english language) that the annimal is illustrated in

but really Procerato is only in like 6 books

[steep tulip]

Idk
I have at least 3 reprint of pretty old books that feature it
That said I don't speak english as my main language so who knows

You might say 3 isn't a lot but I really don't have many dinosaur books

All 3 having different artworks ofc

[shell sonnet]

Here, I'll list them:
A field guide to dinosaurs by Lambert, 1983
The New Dinosaur Dictionary by Glut, 1982
The illustrated encyclopedia of dinosaurs by Norman, 1985
The Macmillan Illustrated Encyclopedia Of Dinosaurs And Prehistoric Animals by Cox, Savage, Dixon, and Gardiner, 1988
Predatory Dinosaurs Of The World by Paul, 1988
Tyrannosaurus rex and its kin : the Mesozoic monsters by Sattler

[austere sparrow]

What do you mean Tyrannosaurus isn't in a 100% of books

[shell sonnet]

Some of the books are fictional stories that wouldn't have use for Rex

[steep tulip]

Mind you one of my books still list it as a ceratosaur lol

Wait hold on
The tyrannosauroid thing is quite recent
So why is it in tyrannosaurus rex and its kin

[shell sonnet]

It talks about all kinds of therapods like Bary and Piantz
Procerato is still treated like a ceratosaur

Forgot there was a swimming megalosaurus in the book

[steep tulip]

Lol
Tbh not too far fetched

[late swallow]

He's trying damnit

[desert flame]

Dimorphodon is one of the small pterosaurs that would be suitable for a terrarium.

[austere sparrow]

I want Dimorph to be a main exhibit so it can cohab with Scelido

[shell sonnet]

Dimorph is a bit a walker in general, I would personally make it a mini

Pteranodon longiceps/sternbergi
Tropeognathus mesembrinus
Tupandactylus imperator/navigans
Teratornis merriami or Argentavis magnificens
Thalassodromeus sethi
Quetzalcoatlus northropi/lawsoni/Hatzegopteryx thambema
Dsungaripterus weii
Pterodaustro guinazui
Rhamphorhynchus muensteri
Pelagornis sandersi/miocaenus/chilensis/mauretanicus

Mini
Dimorphodon macronyx
Ichthyornis dispar
Kuehneosuchus latissimus
Jeholopterus ninchengensis
Pterorhynchus wellnhoferi or Pterodactylus antiquus

that's my Aviary DLC pack

[austere sparrow]

No Tapejara? smh

[shell sonnet]

Tupan

[austere sparrow]

Yeah Tapejara is worthwhile in its own right 😔

It can stand in for a shitton of small Tapejarids

[mint creek]

Pterodaustro my beloved

[shell sonnet]

Tupan is way weirder

plus

[austere sparrow]

Weirder doesn't mean better; especially since your list includes Thalassodromeus anyway

[shell sonnet]

Tupan is more closely related to Tapejara than to Thalasso; heck the WWD tape is a Tupan species

[austere sparrow]

I know it is

But Thalasso has a similar crest lol

[shell sonnet]

and a different diet plan

[desert flame]

Anurogdonatidae, such as Jeholopterus, have appeared in Halloween decorations in the game, so they may be added to the game someday.

[austere sparrow]

...I guess Tape as a Tupa alt I wouldn't mind

Just like. It's annoying to me that Tapejarids are usually represented only by their most distinct looking species while the more generic ones are chronically overlooked despite their crazy range making them great potential background Pterosaurs

Tape is. Not filling that purpose too well but it works as a stand-in for the others

Being more outwardly similar to them than Tupa

...I guess chances are they'll have a Tape-esque subadult anyway but. 😔

...Yeah I guess Tape lives in the same formation anyway so substituting it with a neotenic Pseudo-alt works but. 😔

Idk Tape and Tupa can coexist imo

[shell sonnet]

They've all got their weirderness; but Tupan is also bigger so it's easier to see

[feral cedar]

I'm inclined to disagree on the concept of an 'aviary DLC' on the virtue of this running into a few issues

[austere sparrow]

I mean. Ideally I would love dozens of random Tapejarids from all across the world, Tape itself not being needed. But it seems the devs hate fun soooo

[feral cedar]

JWE 2 added an insectivore feeder for Jeholopterus, and because the feeder itself was a part of the DLC that meant nothing other than Jeholopterus could use it and it was a shame

[shell sonnet]

Jeholo would be a mini

[austere sparrow]

Love JWE2 being fucking silly and doing that for some fucking reason

[desert flame]

The Tapejara is a fruit　eating pterosaur that can have a unique presence in the game.

[shell sonnet]

So does Tupan

[feral cedar]

I'd argue the PK devs should release a SMALL update adding the core components of aviaries and flying locomotion to the game for FREE, and then with this as a basis they can add as many flying animals as they want across the game's lifespan

[hollow furnace]

That is the plan

[desert flame]

true

[austere sparrow]

The devs did also say that if they do avians/aquatics, some will be basegame to make sure people who don't buy the inevitable expansions get to use the features; and for that matter, future DLCs can add fliers/swimmers

[hollow furnace]

Small update of base game fliers, and then a massive corresponding dlc

[feral cedar]

pineapple's DLC concept assumes everything is one big DLC though, hence my comment

[austere sparrow]

💀 Penguin

Wrong person

[feral cedar]

oops

[austere sparrow]

Lmfao

[feral cedar]

Pteranodon is one of those animals that has to be free because it's so popular that it's silly to have aviaries WITHOUT it as an option

I'd personally recommend Pteranodon, Rhamphorhynchus, Quetzalcoatlus, and Tropeognathus to be the 'base' roster for pterosaurs they add for free, and everything else can be DLC

[austere sparrow]

But consider: More DLC sales 🤔

[feral cedar]

Pteranodon is the T. rex of flying animals. If selling rex for DLCs is an underhanded move, so is selling Pteranodon

[shell sonnet]

Or they can include flying with the recently extinct update through Hasst's eagle and swimming through Steller's Sea Cow

[shell sonnet]

That's what Frontier did

[feral cedar]

broski Mau confirmed recently extinct will be a DLC

[feral cedar]

And I hate them for it :)

[hollow furnace]

So what I’m hearing is, remove rex and resell it as a DLC

Got it, good plan boss

[feral cedar]

honestly a fliers pack is just a waste imo

[shell sonnet]

I don't see why the PK devs can't charge us for new animals to keep the lights on

[austere sparrow]

A fliers pack would be a waste if you gave absolutely all the things people actually want away for free lmfao

[feral cedar]

That's not what I'm saying

[silver steeple]

Expecting anything more than like 1 freebie a year is crazy talk tbh

[austere sparrow]

Pterano, Quetz and Tropeo basegame? What the fuck would a flier pack even have left Hatzeg, Argentavis and who?

[feral cedar]

lol good point

but Pteranodon has to be base game no matter what

[shell sonnet]

No it doesn't

[feral cedar]

It's like non-negotiable

[desert flame]

The recently extinct pack

[feral cedar]

yes it does

It's PTERANODON

[shell sonnet]

Blue Medrian can charge you if they want to

[silver steeple]

Pteranodon should be a freebie imo

[feral cedar]

Every layman on the planet knows that thing- THAT'S NOT MY POINT

[silver steeple]

But its fine if that's the only one

[steep carbon]

extend early access for another two years, make fliers update 21 and swimmers update 23, release on update 25 /j

[silver steeple]

It was a kickstarter creature after all

[austere sparrow]

Who cares about Pteranodon 😭 Add Pterodactylus to the basegame and the laypeople will be mildly confused and shrug and lap it up

[shell sonnet]

Freebie will be Pterodactyl, it's better known😉

[austere sparrow]

Petrodactyle when

[silver steeple]

You're a pterodactyl

[feral cedar]

I'm not saying they shouldn't charge us for DLC, I'm saying that Pteranodon is a borderline mandatory pick for the small roster of animals that they'd add in a free aviary update

A free aviary update with a small number of creatures is the way to go as it opens the doors for a lot of shit down the line

Teratornis can come in a La Brea pack

Pelagornis can be included in a Miocene DLC

Haast's eagle can be a part of the recently-extinct DLC

[austere sparrow]

La Brea Pack lol. Enjoy your sloths and Mammoth 2 and "modern animal but unga bunga" I guess

[silver steeple]

Teratornis and La Brea pack is a hella stretch lmfao

[shell sonnet]

Again, there's nothing that requires them to release Pteranodon as a freebie

[austere sparrow]

MIOCENE DLC god

My sides

You think we're getting a Miocene DLC?

( 😭 )

[silver steeple]

I could see a Teratorn of some sort as an alt of Argentavis but that's it

[feral cedar]

Can't spitball examples I guess

[silver steeple]

You didn't phrase them as examples

[feral cedar]

it can be inferred from context

[silver steeple]

You phrased it as if that was your expectation

[feral cedar]

also, screw you

[silver steeple]

It really couldn't tho

[feral cedar]

no need to be so passive aggressive

[austere sparrow]

Sorry, I would love a Miocene DLC

But we're not getting one 😔

[silver steeple]

Several people clearly didn't see it that way

[feral cedar]

anyway my point is

'aviary DLC' is a bad idea

[austere sparrow]

I dunno. Aviary DLC is the triumphant celebration of the devs getting flying to work. Seems fair to have one

[feral cedar]

free aviary update with a barebones roster (ideally with Pteranodon) that then opens the door to include flying species in DLCs is the way to go, and according to DroidSyber is the exact plan

[austere sparrow]

I do kinda hope we'll get like. Three flying enclosure animals, with different diets, of different sizes

Pteranodon can be medium/piscivore

I suggested small/herbivore Tapejara last time but I guess I could see small/carnivore Istiodactylus or small/carnivore Dimorphodon

[feral cedar]

Dimorphodon would be terrarium material I think

[austere sparrow]

Then Big/Carnivore Quetz or Small medium/Thalassodomie or something

[feral cedar]

I do want Pteranodon and Rhamphorhynchus to be free lol

the latter is more subjective

[austere sparrow]

I'd rather not have two piscivores tbh

[desert flame]

I agree that Pteranodon should be free, but it makes sense to increase player purchases and revenue. Just like PZ did with South American and Australian animals as DLC.

[austere sparrow]

Just to make the basegamers feel more diverse

[feral cedar]

That's what Quetzalcoatlus and Hatzegopteryx are for

[silver steeple]

Just Ptera and the system itself being free to give you a taste is perfectly fine imo

[feral cedar]

I mean considering the absurd amount of cool unique pterosaurs that could be added, having just one is, in my opinion, a bit finnicky

[silver steeple]

Don't get me wrong

[shell sonnet]

Or make Hasst's eagle the free one

[silver steeple]

I would love more

[austere sparrow]

I wouldn't mind Ptera being alone but it just. Doesn't really fit into most parks lol

[left spear]

Oh flyer convo

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-steve-carell-laugh-good-one-banana-gif-4958026

[austere sparrow]

Like maybe the free marine would work alongside it

[left spear]

It's been a while since i've seen one if these

[feral cedar]

the same principle applies to aquatic animals and Mosasaurus imo

[left spear]

I mean Haast should imo go in a RE part 2

[feral cedar]

^

[austere sparrow]

Imagine if PZ added flying to the basegame... With an albatross

[left spear]

Make Argent the free flying bird

[toxic oriole]

Pelagornis moment

[feral cedar]

Mau said RE DLC is the first one they'll do... but who's to say RE would come before free aviary? 🤔

[left spear]

I'm fine with Pela being DLC tbh

[austere sparrow]

Pelagornis is all the fliers combined into one animal clearly its the best one

[silver steeple]

True......

[left spear]

I mean It just sounds more plausible

[feral cedar]

if they play their cards right Haast's eagle can be in the first recently-extinct DLC

[left spear]

Do RE, then flyers/aquatics and then RE part 2 with Haast, stellers etc

[feral cedar]

true

that could be fun

[shell sonnet]

Personally, I would have done RE DLC after aquatic, flying, and paleozoic terresterial but that's just me

[silver steeple]

I think that's perfectly fine yeah

RE funds aquatic and flyer dev

[feral cedar]

Yeah but Mau is excited for his quagga with wild horse alt (can't blame him ngl we need wild horses for mammoth steppe environments lol)

[toxic oriole]

Something tells me the flying and aquatic expansion will just be a free expansion update, no DLC attached

[left spear]

I trust the devs whatever way they do It, i just think doing 2 REs with flyers and aquatics in between makes more sense financially

[shell sonnet]

nah

[hollow furnace]

It won’t be, we’ve already been told the current plan for fliers and aquatics

Small free update alongside a massive dlc

[desert flame]

I think a complimentary aquatic creature would be a plesiosaur or an ichthyosaur.

[left spear]

I could see 1 or 2 flyers aquatics being free, but the bulk will be dlc

[feral cedar]

Plesiosaurus and Ichthyosaurus would definitely be a good starter roster for aquatics

[left spear]

And rightfully so

[shell sonnet]

just do Pleisosaurus and/or Ichtyhosaurus

[feral cedar]

I would want a mosasaur to be free lol

Mosasaurus was kickstarter

[shell sonnet]

but if we go by popularity, it has to be Otodus😉

[left spear]

Mosa, Plesio, Ptera, Quetz

The 4 free flyers and Aqua

[feral cedar]

Mosasaurus can be free no problem, megalodon isn't just a flagship species for a DLC that mf is the whole boat 😭

[left spear]

Little tease to intice people buy the full dlc

Yeah Otto should be dlc

Same with Livy

[shell sonnet]

Livy is overhyped

[toxic oriole]

Otto

[left spear]

Still cool

[toxic oriole]

Otto the Megalodon

Heh

[feral cedar]

bro imagine the SALES on an aquatics DLC with Otodus, Livyatan, and Dunkleosteus

[shell sonnet]

nah, modern sperm whales are actually more interesting

[left spear]

That could be said for a lot of animals

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/money-rain-gif-715799133269302892

[left spear]

I would argue wws would be more interesting than otto

[toxic oriole]

What?

WWS? What?

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/stone-stone-cold-steve-austin-beer-gif-15987458507410210619

[feral cedar]

Western Winterior Seaway

[left spear]

*Gws

[feral cedar]

[left spear]

Sorry i'm dumb

[feral cedar]

Gestern Winterior Seaway?

[left spear]

Wonderful White shark

[left spear]

Great White shark

[feral cedar]

OH

[toxic oriole]

Hubbel's White Shark

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-incorrect-hayden-christensen-anakin-anakin-skywalker-gif-3899021837197386334

[toxic oriole]

Said to be the direct in between regarding Great White ancestor and Great White itself

[feral cedar]

Even if Livyatan is not as cool as a modern sperm whale the argument is null because it's not like we're getting a sperm whale in PK are we

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-skywalker-power-underestimate-star-wars-gif-10868986

[feral cedar]

Not adding Livyatan because it's not as cool as an animal we're never getting in the game is crazy talk

[left spear]

Assuming aquatics and flyers are different dlcs (they should) make Otto Meg+chub, Livy, Basilo+Duro, Dunk and icthyo

[silver steeple]

^

[left spear]

Things like a pliosaur or giant icthyosaur can come in other dlcs

[toxic oriole]

HEY WHERES O. OBLIQUUS?

[silver steeple]

Heh meg chub

[feral cedar]

I think modern lions with their beautiful manes and their complex social structures are probably more interesting than cave lions ngl

[late swallow]

Mom and dad are fighting and I'm scared

[feral cedar]

But we're not getting African lions in PK are we?

[austere sparrow]

I really hope we get multiple aquatic dlc lol. Aviary can realistically make do with just one but there's sooo many extinct swimmies

[left spear]

I mean if you really want It add it

[shell sonnet]

We will, just wait for people to mod PZ's animals in the game

[silver steeple]

Oh I would be surprised if we didn't get at least a couple

[toxic oriole]

Much more aquatics than airborne or terrestrial ones

eh?

[feral cedar]

ehhhh

[silver steeple]

Hard to get all the heavy hitters in a single aquatic dlc lol

[left spear]

Tbh just do a single aquatics and a single flyer DLC, other unrelated DLCs can have flyers and aquatics they are not Steam bundle restricted

[silver steeple]

I guess I could see that

[feral cedar]

This actually does a pretty good job at convering the animals we could get for aviaries, and in my humble opinion it's too much for one DLC

How much effort would the devs have to put into one DLC? How much would it cost?

[shell sonnet]

At the end of the day, that list is just a case of "if you could constrict a list into ten animals, what would them be"

[left spear]

Like make a jurassic DLC with Lio, ramph, and some terrestrials, there's literally nothing stopping you from doing that after the aquatics and flyers dlcs are released

[shell sonnet]

I'm not expecting the devs to have all the time in the world, assuming we get to the DLC stage

[toxic oriole]

Later down the line: Sacabambapsis, Anomalocaris, Eurypterus, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[left spear]

All of those could be minis

[late swallow]

So many swimming things because Phanerozoic has been very moist

[late swallow]

Mosura

[left spear]

Give me some Hadean rep

[shell sonnet]

Geosaurus giganteus or Dakosaurus maximus
Ichthyosaurus communis/anningae
Pleisosaurus dolichodeirus
Kronosaurus queenslandicus
Mosasaurus hoffmanni or Tylosaurus proriger
Dunkleosteus terrelli
Basilosaurus cetoides
Leedsichthys problematicus
Pterygotus grandidentatus or Jaekelopterus rhenaniae
Parapuzosia seppenradensis

Mini
Aspidorhynchus
Gebrayelichthys uyenoi
Henodus chelyops or Psephoderma alpinum
Stethacanthus productus
Tullimonstrum gregarium

[left spear]

Leed? Based

[late swallow]

Hella

[silver steeple]

You could easily do both Tylo and Mosa

They're fairly different

[toxic oriole]

One could be the alt for the other, but I don't see what the point of that would be

[silver steeple]

About as different as mosasaurs can get really

[late swallow]

I'm seeing a very severe lack of my lobe-finned friend

[silver steeple]

They wouldn't work as alts

[shell sonnet]

I don't know how close or different they are; I assume the designs are too different to be alts, hence the "or"

[silver steeple]

Too different proportionally

I'm saying you can have both without alts

They are different enough to have both

[shell sonnet]

Again, ten main species limit

[toxic oriole]

I mean

[late swallow]

Put me on the pyre for this

[silver steeple]

Mosa would realistically be free from the get go

[late swallow]

We don't need both

[silver steeple]

Need no

But both can be included without the exclusion of the other

That's what I'm getting at

[late swallow]

I personally find Tylo more interesting as well, but of course that's just preference

[glass snow]

Either one is good but I’d choose one at first Mosa most likely because name and then tylo could be future dlc

[late swallow]

Totally

[toxic oriole]

Arent there, like, multiple members of the Mosasaurus genus name alongside Tylosaurus?

[glass snow]

yes multiple species of both

[shell sonnet]

Mosa can come first, and you save Tylo for the Great Western Sea Way DLC is the ideal

[toxic oriole]

Plenty of variation from those guys to choose from

[late swallow]

Probably go type for both

[ancient ibex]

Mosa and Tylo are quite distinct fwiw

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[left spear]

We can have Both but tbh it would be weird for them to come in the same dlc

[glass snow]

Yeah

[silver steeple]

I already said that lol

[toxic oriole]

Though I can see people would go for the largest specimens of Tylo and Mosa

[silver steeple]

Again

[glass snow]

very distinct for mosasaurs

[silver steeple]

Mosa would work best as a freebie

[late swallow]

Yes, we have established that

[glass snow]

I’d imagine tylo as dlc and mosa as free species.

[silver steeple]

Then Tylo can be in the DLC without issue

[toxic oriole]

... Goblin Shark ancestors.

Deep water.

oh wait that aint possible, isnt it?

[austere sparrow]

We definitely need both Tylosaurus and Mosasaurus as our two Mosasaurs. That's definitely the two Mosasaurs we need.

[glass snow]

I think it would be cool if mosa and pteranodon had 4 skins. Pterandon would be neat like trike with paired alts. Pteranodon is the pterosaur like stego so that would be neat.

[left spear]

Any possible alt for Ptera that isn't Geo?

[toxic oriole]

Theres also Pterodactylus antiquus, but I'd only include it for the sake of first Pterosaur discovered and described afaik

[shell sonnet]

they have multiple species, so one skin for each

[glass snow]

Globidens and Phosphoro would be neat

[austere sparrow]

Like not to be too much of a hater but maybe instead of doubling up on Megamosasaurs we could like. Use ones that actually act different in gameplay? 😔

[left spear]

Phosphoro/Xenodens too

[glass snow]

I was talking about pteranodon with the split alts

[left spear]

Need a smaller boi

[glass snow]

like half geo half stern

[silver steeple]

Honestly that's entirely dependent on stuff like diets and whatnot

[left spear]

Also Globidens

[silver steeple]

Do we get more diets for marine stuff?

[glass snow]

xenodens is a chimera

[toxic oriole]

CHIMERIC MOSASAURS!?

[glass snow]

I think or at least highly debateable longrich moment

[austere sparrow]

Globidens, Phosphoro, Platecarpus maybe, that fucking. Hungarian one people asked for the other day, Panoniasaurus I think it was?

[left spear]

Mosasaurs are more diverse than people give them credit for

[left spear]

Rip

[silver steeple]

Cause most of the more applicable sp are durophages

[austere sparrow]

Would all be more interesting to have than a pair of ocean apexes imo

[left spear]

PANNONIASAURUS

It was me yeah

[austere sparrow]

Hell there's. Megapterygius? I think it was called?

[toxic oriole]

Alright, lets even the odds with some Sharks

[silver steeple]

So they'd be eating stuff like clams or ammonites

[left spear]

Pannoniasaurus sweep

Absolute peak of an animal

[toxic oriole]

Cretoxyrhina, Leptostyrax, Cretalamna, Cretodus, uhhhhhhhh what else?

[glass snow]

otodus megalodon is no brainer, Aquilolamna

[shell sonnet]

three feeders; one for nekton, one for plankton, one for zoobenthos

[austere sparrow]

Aquilolamna, O. megalodon and Hybodus are the main sharks I would consider sensible additions

[toxic oriole]

Cretoxyrhina.........

[left spear]

"sharks" are included in there too?

[austere sparrow]

Hm

[late swallow]

And the chimera related cartilaginous fish, Helicoprion

[silver steeple]

Cretoxyrhina kinda mid tbh

[glass snow]

Cretoxyrhina for generic shark, not a shark but helicoprion, or not a shark Orthacanthus

[late swallow]

Would love to see him

[glass snow]

Cretoxyrhina is like filler

[left spear]

Helico is looking from the background very angry just so you know

[shell sonnet]

Is Hybodus even a shark?

[austere sparrow]

Ngl I do not understand why you'd want Cretoxyrhina

[glass snow]

no

[austere sparrow]

RIP Hybodus

[toxic oriole]

Mesozoic shark

[glass snow]

hybodus is not a crown group shark

[silver steeple]

Helico gotta be practically guaranteed tbh

[late swallow]

Helicoprion is very not a shark

[silver steeple]

Ratfish moment

[left spear]

Hybodus covers that up

[shell sonnet]

I mean Dunkle before all these guys

[toxic oriole]

I know theres a few to choose from

[austere sparrow]

Yeah idk there's other Mesozoic sharks lol

[late swallow]

Obvs

[left spear]

"shark"

[austere sparrow]

I'd rather have. Fucking Galagadon before Cretoxyrhina ngl

[left spear]

I know it's not one but you knew what i mean

[silver steeple]

Dunkle is literally like top 5 aquatic period

[left spear]

Top 3 i would say

[glass snow]

not a shark but a ray finned fish stratodus would be neat

stratodus by beloved

[toxic oriole]

Fine then, Cretoxyrhina JUST because of that one Pteranodon fossil that had a Cretoxyrhina bite mark on it

[austere sparrow]

Helicoprion I do not care too much about myself but it has good chances

[shell sonnet]

Put ichthy, pleiso, Mosa before it

[glass snow]

Oh yeah icthyosaurs

[austere sparrow]

Maybe we can have a generic sharks DLC so yall can have Cretoxyrhina and I can save my money

[late swallow]

Would

[glass snow]

shoni, icthy, temnodonto, eurhino and ophthalmo

[toxic oriole]

I don't see whats so generic about Cretoxyrhina

[late swallow]

Shoni my beloved

[silver steeple]

Its literally a GW lol

[glass snow]

it is a mako great white shark thing

[silver steeple]

Just in the cretaceous

[late swallow]

A what

Oh a great white

[shell sonnet]

same but add Cymbospondylus

[toxic oriole]

Literally a GARDEN WARFARE?

[austere sparrow]

It has no distinguishing noteworthy features. Thus it's generic

[glass snow]

Oh yeah cymbo I love cymbo

[left spear]

Tbh i think Placoderms could have a small species pack by themselves

[late swallow]

It's a guild wars

[austere sparrow]

Squalicorax better generic mesozoic shark btw

Easier to feed

[toxic oriole]

🖕

[austere sparrow]

Better for zoo

👍

Wow okay

[late swallow]

The only placoderm anybody fucking knows is Dunkleosteus

[austere sparrow]

Somebody doesn't like Squalicorax I guess

The crow shark! It eats carrion

That's cool

[toxic oriole]

That feeling when you didnt intend on sending the Middle Finger emoji

[late swallow]

You right mate?

[shell sonnet]

Dinichthys

[toxic oriole]

Come on...

Xiphactinus too would help

[glass snow]

Xiphactinus would be great

[austere sparrow]

...Not dodging the "Just a great white" allegation

[toxic oriole]

So what if Xiphactinus isnt a shark?

[glass snow]

gillicus feeder

[austere sparrow]

😭 We're already getting Megalodon you can't do this "great white but slightly different" double feature stuff to me

[glass snow]

gillicus is full exhibit sized 2 meters

I want generic schoolers

[austere sparrow]

Gillicus is overrated

[left spear]

Otto is more of a bullshark

[glass snow]

i don’t think anybody knows what gillicus is minus xiphactinus

[austere sparrow]

...Okay is everybody asleep how did yall let me say "Gillicus is overrated" and not immediately pounce on that shit

Thank you, flapper

[shell sonnet]

Xiphactinus, Elasmo, Tylo, Platecarpus, Hesperornis would work for a western interior seaway dlc

[austere sparrow]

Ngl I thought you were post Great White sizes for a second there 😭

[left spear]

Wtf is gillicus

[shell sonnet]

ray fish of the western seaway

[glass snow]

the fish which killed a xiphactinus specimen

[austere sparrow]

Scroll up

[toxic oriole]

I'll take Cretoxyrhina anyday, so what if its generic as hell?

[left spear]

Looks like a temu xiph ngl

[toxic oriole]

Nothings stopping me

[left spear]

Is there any more detailed art

[austere sparrow]

Google exists

[left spear]

So i can actually appreciate the animal

[left spear]

Smh that would be a reasonable thing to do

[left spear]

We can't have that here

[glass snow]

its the fish inside of xiphact

[toxic oriole]

Remind me again, isnt Gillicus the one fish that was found WITHIN a Xiphactinus fossil?

[glass snow]

yes

[shell sonnet]

yes

[left spear]

kill me but It still kidna looks like what i just said

[austere sparrow]

Wow, pregnant xiph. Nature is beautiful 😍

[left spear]

Is It related to xiph

[glass snow]

Yes

[left spear]

Seems like a nice Alt then

[toxic oriole]

Eh fair enough

[shell sonnet]

sort of

[glass snow]

but it is closer to saurodon of all things

[austere sparrow]

Lowkey cooking

[glass snow]

but looks essentially like a mini xiphas

fish taxonomy be like saurodon is this thing

[shell sonnet]

they're both Ichthyodectiformes but part of different families

[austere sparrow]

Bungartius the second

[glass snow]

2.5 meters

[toxic oriole]

Hey look, Squalicorax cameo!

AND IS THAT A HADROSAUR?

[austere sparrow]

Squalicorax!!!!

[toxic oriole]

Idc what you say, if Cretoxyrhina gets in, bring Squalicorax alongside em

[glass snow]

Protosphyraena would be peak

[toxic oriole]

Xiphactinus something in this picture

[austere sparrow]

...I mean who said I wanted Squalicorax ingame... 😔

[toxic oriole]

Generic or not, they DESERVE to get into the game if you ask me

[austere sparrow]

Protospear is such a stupidass animal. Would be great to have

[austere sparrow]

I mean, sure. What did they do to deserve it, tho?

[toxic oriole]

This is the Pteranodon fossil in question regarding Cretoxyrhina

[late swallow]

Look at it, with that stupid ass tie, are you going to work, little fish boy?

[toxic oriole]

This is why, pretty much

[austere sparrow]

Every so often, we, as a society, accidentally reinvent Shark Tale

[silver steeple]

Feel like it makes more sense for the ptera to be underwater than the shark above but either is possible

[austere sparrow]

Hm. Not really sold sorry

[toxic oriole]

cretoxyrhina hater.... die.....

[austere sparrow]

I don't hate Cretoxyrhina

I am ambivalent towards it

[toxic oriole]

Alright, protostegidae turtle that got hunted by the shark

Not even Archelon

[austere sparrow]

I do not hate the dirt under my feet and the beetles in the grass either

[toxic oriole]

And apparently Tylosaurus might have something to do with Cretoxyrhina going extinct

So uhhhhh

[austere sparrow]

...I mean it ate the animals in its environment that it was adapted to eat that. Doesn't really seem whatsoever noteworthy to me ngl

[late swallow]

shocking

[toxic oriole]

Mosasaur rivalry

Shark and Marine Reptile

[austere sparrow]

...I don't want to be mean about generic shark but I really do not see it

[silver steeple]

Hardly a rivalry if the lizard is like 5x the size lol

[feral cedar]

Uh

text wall incoming

But I spent too much time doing this to not share it

[silver steeple]

I could see us get Cretoxyrhina for the same reason we got bear