Community Species Suggestions

[outer moth]

I could make that a pack but I would need some time to propose a roster n everything

[austere sparrow]

I believe with higher sea levels most, if not all, of New Zealand must've been underwater during the Mesozoic, similar to how a lot of Europe was?

[outer moth]

Perhaps we could find out if dicynodonts really did survive to the Cretaceous

[austere sparrow]

Though we do have a couple neat marine reptiles from NZ already

[ancient ibex]

Most of NZ is underwater during the holocene

Don't quote me but I believe the exposed parts of it aren't really good for digging either

[austere sparrow]

Yee

[flint sable]

correct

[austere sparrow]

Zealandia, the sunken continent

[flint sable]

for the entire cenozoic theres like

a few scattered paleocene fossils

one site for the Middle Miocene

and then a ton of holocene fossils

and thats it

[flint sable]

and that site has quite a few species but they are not well preserved

usually just a few bones

where most stuff from there isnt even described because its fragmentary

[plush nacelle]

Some sauropods been living there in maastrichtian so it must have enough area not under water

[austere sparrow]

Huh, neat

[plush nacelle]

And it got more than 10 million years of isolation by then

[flint sable]

there was also presumabley mammals there during that time

since the St Bathans Mammal is apparently really primitive and its from the Middle Miocene, so presumabley its lineage must have been there at least since it split from australia

[plush nacelle]

And croco + tutel

[flint sable]

ye

[tough marsh]

scaled this earlier today its small for a dinocephalian

[austere sparrow]

Looks to be about the size of a bear? dang

Wait brainfart

That's Prehistoric Wildlife, can't trust that clown 😔

[late swallow]

Highest sea level during the Phanerozoic (sp?) Was during the Cenomanian

[austere sparrow]

Okay looks like it's. Dog sized.

Waow

[late swallow]

you're dog sized

[tough marsh]

you mean crio?

[austere sparrow]

Yes. As I said later, that was a PW scale, can't trust those 😔

[austere sparrow]

Woof.

[tough marsh]

its around 1.6 meters

also has somewhat forward facing eyes

[austere sparrow]

Freaky

Glad they had a Paleozoic version of Myotragus

[late swallow]

Who

This is criminal. Mesozoic Japan rep

[austere sparrow]

Prehistoric Wildlife. A really bad online encyclopedia for extinct life that really loves inflating the sizes of animals, to the point that assuming any animal they present being half the size leads to more accurate sizes.

The artstyle is also very particular and memorable so at least they're easy to ignore

They seem to like obscure species, and spreading inflated size estimates about them, though.

So they are likely to pop up even for obscurer animals.

[late swallow]

Half of that's a good thing

The spreading awareness of obscure species paary

[outer crater]

Why is that necessary?

[late swallow]

What

The criminal part is how low percentage it has

[outer crater]

Why do you think there needs to be representation of Mesozoic Japan just for the sake of it? It's just a random island chain out of many on Earth

[late swallow]

Because it's cool?

Lwhy are you so pressed

[outer crater]

Which animals? I didn't think Japan had that much of a Mesozoic fossil record

all I'm saying is that there's no reason why Mesozoic Japan rep is any more important than any other island chain

[lean hound]

How

[late swallow]

Tyrannomimus, the earliest definitive Deinocheirid, alongside a slew of other interesting critters, including a Titanosauriform, Avialan, and a possible basal Megaraptoran

[lean hound]

Tyrannomimus is the only interesting thing you listed

[open heron]

Fukuisaurus does hit a nice size range for ornithopods that I don't quite think we have right now and Futabasaurus is probably the most famous non-giant Elasmosaur and would be nice for aquatic content, but aside from that IDK what really appeals to me personally.

[sharp dock]

Futabasaurus would be nice (i liked it appeared in dinosaur king)

[open heron]

I liked it in that and also fossil fighters.

Had a super solid design in fossil fighters

[late swallow]

@mellow creek ff mention

[sharp dock]

imagine we dont get a single dino from japan

[mellow creek]

!

[quick ore]

very plausible

[austere sparrow]

Futabasaurus appears in quite a few Japanese properties, it might have a draw for the locals from its area

[mellow creek]

Futabasaurus mention in pkcord, what a time to get pinged

[lean hound]

Not very suprising

[quick ore]

Japan isn't even an island most of the time right? Like it is only an island rn because of current sea levels

[plush nacelle]

Japan is simply cool?

[mellow creek]

Also welcome to why using "elasmo" for elasmotherium throws me off, and where 99% of my paleo shorthands come from

[open heron]

Lowkey same.

[lean hound]

Most people probably want an animal from Japan just because it's Japan

[plush nacelle]

Valid reason tbh

[late swallow]

Japan is 4 [major] islands currently

[austere sparrow]

Yeah I have not seen a single person use Elasmo as a shorthand for Elasmotherium yet tbh

[mellow creek]

I did a bit ago on this server

[quick ore]

this is like being potentially annoyed that we will get extinct animals from Australia but none from Papua

[late swallow]

Real

[quick ore]

I am saying that because it is silly

plus wouldn't a lot of pleistocene ice age animals have been found in Japan during glacials when it was connected to the mainland?

[austere sparrow]

I am a bit of a proponent for getting locally recognizeable extinct animals from at least every country where people are likely to buy the game. Like Koreaceratops for Korea, or Fukuiraptor or one of the extinct wolves for Japan. Just because they're likely to be regionally famous

[open heron]

I don't think location should ever be a determining factor for adding something but I still want Futabasaurus anyways because mid-sized plesiosaurs are less showcased compared to larger/smaller representatives.

[austere sparrow]

Might push them to recc the game to other vaguely prehistory interested irl peers

[late swallow]

Do we even have any Aptian or Berrimian species at this moment?

[late swallow]

Big disagree on the location front

We have 5 Southern Hemisphere species

[open heron]

Iguanodon is Barremian.

[plush nacelle]

Australian dinosaurs are definitely in PK due to location. No real reason for tenontosaurus to be replaced with mutta outside latter being from Australia

[quick ore]

I feel like it is more important to focus on broadly representing species from the 6 main continents of the world rather than focus on individual countries within them

[open heron]

Mutta has appeal as a rather large bipedal ornithopod.

[late swallow]

Thank you, I could not remember

[late swallow]

We're don't even have that

[austere sparrow]

P sure Mutta is also more commonly known than Tenonto nowadays

[open heron]

I still think Tenonto aught to be added sooner rather than later tho tbh.

[late swallow]

I learned about Muttaburrasaurus from jwe2

[quick ore]

i know tha-

[lean hound]

Which is why it's more important to focus on it 🤦‍♂️

[late swallow]

Also, dope ass name

[quick ore]

you never saw WWD?

[austere sparrow]

Mutta is one of the major WWD species yee

[open heron]

I think Dinosaur King was my first exposure to Mutta.

[late swallow]

No, no I did not

Because I didn't have a good childhood, and I'm American

[quick ore]

what does being american have to do with anything

I'm american too and I grew up on walking with

[late swallow]

I was also 2

[quick ore]

I was born in 1998 that isnt an excuse

listen you're missing out is my point

[austere sparrow]

I would certainly prioritize adding more southern hemisphere stuff over adding stuff from the northern hemisphere but in countries that don't have stuff yet but like. In practice the devs still spend most of their roster slots dicking around in Morrison, Mongolia and Cretaceous North America xP

Ideally the most sensible approach would probably be to ensure that all the best, most famous formations have healthy representation

Such as like. The Karoo Supergroup probably most notably

[ancient ibex]

Biodiversity is not democratic

[austere sparrow]

But ever since the devs added that whole "formation bonus" feature, the fact that they will not be fleshing out every single formation just makes my heart ache a little

[mint creek]

I feel you on that

[flint sable]

preservation bias do be doing

[mint creek]

It'd be cool to make little snapshots of an ecosystem around the park by grouping it based on formation

[austere sparrow]

Biodiversity and Preservation bias is one thing, "multiple times more animals in the northern hemisphere than the southern" is another 😔

[flint sable]

also in my opinion, its more important overall to have recognizable and iconic species, even if it results in a disproportionate representation of species from certain formations or places

[outer moth]

Idk why they’re still around

[flint sable]

less well known species are also really important but stuff thats more popular will make the game more money which can allow them to add more species

[austere sparrow]

Pretty sure we have like. What. Three to four times as many animals in the north compared to the south?

Common dinosaur game problem tbf

[flint sable]

I mean thats totally fair

[austere sparrow]

America-centrism in dinosaur-games is kinda ludicrous, and Ceratopsians refusing to leave Laramidia is not helping x)

[flint sable]

but the northern hemisphere also has signifigantly more land, people, and as a result, fossil finds

I will admit that the southern hemisphere is definitely underrepresented, but its not that underrepresented

[quick ore]

I think pulling from the cenozoic more will help alleviate this problem. There's a lot of good pulls from South America, Africa, and Australia from the Cenozoic, both in the Pleistocene/Holocene and earlier

[flint sable]

I also dont think the devs are intending to be america centric, it just so happens that a vast majority of popular dinosaur species (which make up a good 80% of the species ingame) come from North America

so its not really the developers fault, just moresoe how preservation bias works

[flint sable]

definitely!

[outer crater]

the rocks are cool?

[quick ore]

are we still arguing about "Thing, Japan" lol

[austere sparrow]

Tbf, the devs are kind of ignoring quite a few staple animals from. Mostly South America

Amargasaurus, Carnotaurus and Saltasaurus are definitely in a similar fame tier to the ingame animals

And I mean Giganotosaurus too I guess but I mean. Whatever on that one

[lean hound]

Carnotaurus is definitely coming

[flint sable]

I wouldnt say that Amargasaurus is comparable to popularity to any of the other sauropods we currently have just as an example

[austere sparrow]

Camarasaurus?

[flint sable]

Carnotaurus though is a really good example, but its definitely coming down the line

[flint sable]

I would argue so yes

[austere sparrow]

Amargasaurus is definitely more well known than Camarasaurus what

[outer moth]

We do have some Asian ceratopsian genera tho
Which is neat but not nearly enough

[flint sable]

Camara is one of the most common Sauropods in the entire Morrison formation, its remains are everywhere

[lean hound]

It's one of those animals that isn't confirmed but can't not get added

[austere sparrow]

I believe as far as derived ones go we only have Sinoceratops

[austere sparrow]

Number of bones found does not translate directly to fame

[flint sable]

theres a good chance that when a lot of people think of Sauropod they think of Camarasaurus, if not nessicarily by name but just by body

[ancient ibex]

The northern hemisphere has several times more land area and fossil bearing formations than the southern hemisphere

[austere sparrow]

Otherwise people wouldn't be so annoying about Nanuqsaurus

[flint sable]

I doubt when a majority of people think of Sauropod their mind immediately goes to Amargasaurus

[flint sable]

this

[austere sparrow]

Ah, but their mind does go to Camarasaurus?

[ancient ibex]

Nanuqsaurus is this one overhyped thing because "polar Tyrannosaur"

[flint sable]

also, typically speaking

the Southern Hemisphere's dinosaur species are typically not known from well remains, and the ones that are are usually relegated to a singular skeleton

which from a game development standpoint can make it hard to implement them, as there arent enough points of data

[flint sable]

at least the popular ones anyway

[austere sparrow]

Yeah see like. Twice as many Northern Hemisphere animals would be reasonable in my boat. But like. Three to four times?

[flint sable]

theres a ton from the northern hemisphere that are also super fragmentary, but they are usually much less known

[flint sable]

the Northern Hemisphere has 3 to four times as much land though

so

its balanced

I think anyway

let me check

[austere sparrow]

...Does it?

That doesn't sound right

[outer crater]

Clade representation is more important than country representation

[flint sable]

ok the land to water ratio of the Southern Hemisphere is 1:1, and the northern Hemipshere is 2:3 (land favored)

but thats also including Antarctica, which is basically uninhabited and has essentially no fossil finds

so its closer to 2 times as much

[austere sparrow]

Clade representation can eat my shiny sparkly behind unless it finally gets the devs to stop the dinosaur spam and finally add some mammals ngl

[flint sable]

real

although the devs have a good reason for all the dinosaur spam

I can guarentee that a good 80% of the people who want to play PK or are currently playing PK dont really care that much about mammals, and we are the loud minority

[austere sparrow]

Yes yes. Dinosaurs money dollar eye sign, ignore that we pretty much added all the obvious money making dinosaurs that aren't DLC-bait anyway

[flint sable]

because unfortunately, the dinosaurs are the moneymakers

[flint sable]

exactly, dinosaurs being DLC Bait proves my point

much less people would buy a DLC with solely or mostly mammals compared to one with mostly dinosaurs or all dinosaurs

[austere sparrow]

Do we like. Have access to the sales record? Has anybody actually checked if dinosaur updates lead to more new purchases than mammal updates?

[flint sable]

iirc we dont have access no, but the developers definitely do have that knowledge

kinda doubt they would share it publicly, but im almost certain they do have the knowledge

[austere sparrow]

...Yknow this would work better if the mammals added weren't all boring ice age "Modern animal but farts lilac scent" type additions anyway

[feral cedar]

Paraceratherium wants a word with you

[austere sparrow]

Okay fine Paraceratherium is the sole exception, give it a medal

[flint sable]

funnily enough I think that the Pleistocene mammals also do better proportionally compared to ones from earlier periods simply because they are more well known and iconic, and therefore it cancels out

[flint sable]

Sinotherium and Juxia?

[austere sparrow]

Who? 🤔

[outer crater]

Both alts

[plush nacelle]

Sahara and northern south america is doing heavy lifting for northern hemisphere tho.

[austere sparrow]

Do you mean Elasmotherium naked and Paraceratherium youngster?

[flint sable]

you have a point

[outer crater]

juxia should be considered part of paracer in the context of game updates

[feral cedar]

To be fair I do think mammoths and Smilodon are charismatic enough that people don't think they're boring

[flint sable]

you have a point with naked Elasmo but Juxia is reguarded as distinct by everyone so

[flint sable]

exactly

them being so mundane is cancelled out by the fact that they are extremely popular

[outer crater]

They actually updated sino to look unique. It has a long face and body now with a lower hump

[quick ore]

Antarctica representation is basically Australia representation, at least for parts of the Mesozoic

[feral cedar]

I think the animals whose genera are extant are ostensibly the ones with the biggest risk of being seen as 'boring'

[austere sparrow]

I am not going from a lumpage perspective, I'm going from a design distinctiveness perspective

[flint sable]

ah fair

[feral cedar]

That is to say, the bears and the lions

[flint sable]

ye

[austere sparrow]

Smilodon should be interesting but the PK take on it doesn't really excite me too much

You can tell they really struggled with getting up to three skins with the bear 😔

[flint sable]

that I definitely noticed too lol

kinda same with Megaloceros but less so

[feral cedar]

I mean personally I love the cave bears and the lion duo

[outer crater]

One thing I dislike is how the cave lion and American lion have no real model difference

[austere sparrow]

Damn I wonder if there was an alt species system that could have maybe helped with identical bear disease

[flint sable]

although I think that might be less so due to the fact that they were uninspired and moresoe due to the fact is that we actually know what they look like

[flint sable]

so it makes making skins for them harder

since we have actual prehistorical depictions of how they looked just

there

[feral cedar]

ngl it's definitely a bit difficult to come up with different skins when you KNOW what the animals look like

[flint sable]

on the cave walls

[austere sparrow]

Ngl just break from your usual three skin rule and only give it one or two

[flint sable]

or just give it alts

[outer crater]

They should've had a blond skin for the beae

[austere sparrow]

Yes yes heresy but alt species already thoroughly ruined the skin system

Yes, or alts

Alts would've been better definitely

[lean hound]

At least the cave lion has a slightly fluffier mane on the males

(or beard? )

[quick ore]

I think having species that look "modern" like that can be good to make those that are clearly not modern stand out more, so long as they don't crowd out the roster and prevent the inclusion of species that may be more deserving of a roster inclusion

[feral cedar]

To be fair it also kinda boils down to the fact that mammals as a whole tend to have far less color diversity

[outer crater]

Sure but the females are the same since both species' females lack the mane and under hair

[feral cedar]

the exception seems to mostly be cats

[plush nacelle]

And ungulates

[feral cedar]

some ungulates, particularly the African kind

[plush nacelle]

Some crazy patterns out there

Giraffe is foking crazy

[quick ore]

marsupials are an exception as well as primates

[austere sparrow]

Damn, it sure would suck if the devs were allergic to adding any mammals that weren't the "this is basically a modern animal lol" ones
We could at least get some that are interesting in their own right, like a Diprotodontid, a Giraffid, or a Meiolanid tortoise, but noooo 🙄 Gotta have big bear and Roid lion

Oh, and don't forget fuzzy rhino 2

[flint sable]

its simple though

for the most part

[austere sparrow]

That one definitely couldn't have waited for post-early access

[flint sable]

what is popular gets in first

[flint sable]

so dont blame the devs, blame the people that made them famous in the first place idk

[austere sparrow]

What is the American lion doing ingame then

[hollow flower]

I like the american lion

[austere sparrow]

Did you know the American lion existed before PK added it, tho

[flint sable]

yes

[austere sparrow]

And if not congrats on being a Jurassic Fight Club watcher I guess

[outer moth]

People fawn over Nanuq even though we have a much cooler cold-climate tyrannosauroid (with more complete remains)

[flint sable]

what is jurassic fight club

[outer crater]

The reason for the lions and elasmo was due to being able to share animations with existing animals

[flint sable]

isnt it that one really old doccumentary that had nanotyrannus in it

[outer crater]

and ontogeny

[outer moth]

Yeah, in fact, I've seen their remains in LA
Massive beast

[austere sparrow]

That's the one

[flint sable]

never watched it tho

also I think I may know another reason why people gravitate towards pleistocene species in particular

[austere sparrow]

I mean. This could have applied to other Carnivorans, and one of the dozens of convergent rhinos the fossil record has

[flint sable]

its because its almost a view of what our modern world could have been

[austere sparrow]

Pretty sure "Brontotherium" is more famous than Elasmotherium for example

Even though the name isn't used anymore, I believe

[flint sable]

you mean Embolotherium?

yeah its not

[austere sparrow]

Nope

"Brontotherium"

[wild relic]

Elasmotherium has more credit since it was in Prehistoric Park

[flint sable]

which is a synonym of Embolotherium

so Embolotherium

[austere sparrow]

Embolotherium was in WWB and Primeval

[austere sparrow]

Wasn't it a synonym of Megacerops?

[flint sable]

actually yeah nvm your right

sorry bout that

I knew it was a synonym of one of the two

[austere sparrow]

Paying respect to PP is nice and all but like. Embolotherium and Megacerops are both clearly more interesting animals 😔 The only leg up on them Elasmo has is the game encouraging you to keep it with Mammoths

[flint sable]

also I now realize that having a discussion about this is kinda futile, seeing as the developers are gonna do what they want and want to add pretty much reguardless of what the community wants or says

[plush nacelle]

Brontotherium wouldnt be able to use rhino animation set

[outer crater]

Elasmo was a nice choice cuz it can have 2 horn variants and a good alt

[austere sparrow]

Of course not, it's not real 😏

[flint sable]

even then

[austere sparrow]

Heck. "Brontotherium" was in Carnivores. 🤔

[flint sable]

Megacerops and Embolo are both like twice the size of even Elasmotherium iirc

they were like closer in size to modern elephants in terms of weight

[austere sparrow]

If Deinocheirus and T.rex can work on the same animations, Megacerops should prooobably work with most of the rhino animations. With maybe a few new ones for walking and such.

But hell if you really want to use animation conservation you could probably use Uintatherium

[late swallow]

Elasmo used for Elasmotherium right here

[glass snow]

I mean what would mutta have

or leally

[flint sable]

anyway I have to leave, but before I go im just gonna bring this up again

[flint sable]

yes

[plush nacelle]

All are in the same size range. Elasmotherium is huge

[glass snow]

Psittaco s. Their formations have basically no other species of worth

[austere sparrow]

Damn, looks like the anims are fine then

[glass snow]

Same size really

[late swallow]

Should be available on steamdb

[glass snow]

elasmo is huge

[austere sparrow]

Okay, if a dinosaur comes from an empty formation obviously it will have to stay lonely 😔

[glass snow]

the formation bonus is just one bonus

theres a time period bonus aswell

[austere sparrow]

Didn't realize that one existed.

[open heron]

Stxyo's a bit bigger though I think /j

[glass snow]

There is also a reigon bonus

[late swallow]

If you put a single animal that doesn't match period/region/dig site, it nukes the bonus for the whole pen

[glass snow]

so if you put mutta with leally it gets a bonus.

[austere sparrow]

Styxo is also more complete so chances are it'll more or less get in even if it officially doesn't on account of being the "restoration basis" animal

[austere sparrow]

Hm. Guess that's something.

[glass snow]

they barely are compatible I wish they both had coastal or boreal(boreal is unrealistic for mutta but the two boreal paleo plants aren’t even boreal but temperate from same area mutta lives) so I hope it gets boreal

[open heron]

does the region bonus require animals to be in the same period or do coelophysis and triceratops get bonuses together?

[glass snow]

leally needs boreal though.

[late swallow]

Region is region

[glass snow]

reigon is continent

time period is time period

[open heron]

so they do get a bonus then?

[glass snow]

specifically cretaceous, jurassic, triassic

yes

[open heron]

based

[glass snow]

if they share the same continent

but they wouldn’t share a time bonus

[austere sparrow]

I mean if there's both a period and a region bonus I'd much rather they get rid of the formation bonus since like. If animals lived in the same formation and time period I'd guess they might have lived together with either that animal or a relative of it anyway

[open heron]

wait do trike and coelo share a biome?

I think they're both in coastal right?

[austere sparrow]

...The whole of the cretaceous being a single time period hurts a little ngl 💀

[glass snow]

formation is a extra bonus for being super accurate. I hope it stays

[glass snow]

it is suppose to be simple for gameplay reasons

despite the cretaceous being like 70 million years

[late swallow]

It is, by geologic standards, a period

[austere sparrow]

I suppose that's a fair point. I do hope they keep the bonus low

[austere sparrow]

I mean yes but it's longer than the entire cenozoic

[late swallow]

Early/Late Cretaceous are Epochs

[glass snow]

like it also helps if you want to build let’s say hell creek or a morrison formation gives more of a incentive for big formations and even small ones

[austere sparrow]

You don't need to basic science basics me I'm aware 😔

[glass snow]

there is early, mid and late jurassic but only late and early cretaceous btw

[open heron]

YES TRIKE AND COLEO ARE BOTH COASTAL I CAN ACTUALLY MIX THEM FOR THE CONTINENT BONUS LMAO

[late swallow]

Also I was away for like an hour because I had to help a boomer for 50 minutes on the phone

[austere sparrow]

Rip

[glass snow]

despite the cretaceous being longer there is no official middle epoch

just early and late

[austere sparrow]

Better than nothing

God what the fuck were paleontologists drinking when deciding the time periods

[glass snow]

I like how none of the mesozoic epochs have a actual name. Though maybe for the better as some of cenozoic ones are kind of lazy

they are based on deposition and index fossils.

like geology

[austere sparrow]

They are based on arbitrary bullshit is what they are

[glass snow]

Tithonian-Cenomanian could have been its own time period in my opinion ngl. But they are based on deposition and index fossils.

[austere sparrow]

Yes, they are based on squids and slugs.

[glass snow]

all time periods, epochs, and ages are based in them

also general deposition, events and the like. That is how it is done for everything

[austere sparrow]

You don't have to keep explaining index fossils to me, I understand why the system exists. The cutoff points are just stupid and arbitrary

[glass snow]

In the geological timescale. Though holocene is truely arbitrary.

literally just human agricultural date which probably isn’t accurate

[open heron]

At least it's not Anthropocene

[austere sparrow]

Wonder if the Recently Extinct animals will get a time period bonus from the visitors 🤔

[open heron]

would be funny

[glass snow]

like instead of being like an extinction event as the main factor though it is one of them but that extinction is ongoing

[glass snow]

I mean so do most of the Pleistocene animals.

they all existed with humans

[austere sparrow]

I wasn't aware the devs added walkthrough exhibits?

[glass snow]

I think all the ones in game did.

but they all are at least chronologically alive when humans were

[late swallow]

Any exhibit is a walk-through exhibit if you remove a fence

[glass snow]

I mean it is walkthrough

[austere sparrow]

Oh wait

[glass snow]

doesn’t mean the guest are living

[austere sparrow]

Quarternary was the epoch and that includes the pleistocene anyway

Guests can't die yet, so they're living

[glass snow]

Pleistocene is the epoch btw

quarternary is the period

[austere sparrow]

Yes. Used the wrong word

Fucking. You got what I meant

Also wait. It was brought to my attention that we have eleven times as many northern hemisphere as southern hemisphere animals?

[open heron]

that's what having the US, Mongolia, and China will do tbf

[austere sparrow]

I hope that even the most ardent anti-south hem hater will hopefully see that that's just ludicrous though

[open heron]

Megatherium can't come soon enough honestly

[austere sparrow]

Put a bandaid on our flesh wound, Megatherium

[open heron]

should've been in EA launch instead of Coelodonta honestly but that's besides the point

[glass snow]

nah I’d say both are around the same amount popular

at least where I live

though it could have been either elasmo or coelo

[austere sparrow]

Hope the devs recognize that Megatherium is the first mammal with four-alt-skin potential and fuccin. Deliver

[austere sparrow]

I will grab you by the collar and shake you

Megatherium deserves the sloth I mean spot because the devs can not be trusted with rhinos tbh

Rhinozoic Kingdom

[flint sable]

I mean

lets be honest

[austere sparrow]

...Wait lmao

Rhinos are the Ceratopsians of Mammals

[flint sable]

M. americanum is the only one people care about

prove me wrong

[austere sparrow]

It all makes sense now

[austere sparrow]

Yes. People don't care about M. americanum because they can't tell different Megatherium species apart

[flint sable]

actually

thats a totally valid point

but if nobody can tell them apart

then whats the point of adding them as alts

[glass snow]

you could say the same with trike

[austere sparrow]

Oh I am totally fine with M. americanum getting all the skins

[glass snow]

or any of the dinosaur alts

[austere sparrow]

I do not care for the other Megathere species either

[flint sable]

ohhhh ok

I get what you mean

[austere sparrow]

First animal with four all single species alts? Whatever go ahead

[flint sable]

you were advocating for Megatherium getting 4 skins

mb

[glass snow]

spino has them

[flint sable]

Camarasaurus already did that

[austere sparrow]

Oh lol right

[glass snow]

spino is the only one with 4 all species alts

[flint sable]

oh wait nvm

[austere sparrow]

Camarasaurus doesn't even have four skins 💀

[flint sable]

I misread that lol

[glass snow]

brachi, bronto/apato, argent also doesn’t

[austere sparrow]

Spinosaurus is basically reptilian pescatarian Megatherium so that fits

[flint sable]

but even if that was the case, Allosaurus is gonna get there first

[austere sparrow]

Maybe one of them can be nekkid

[flint sable]

with 3 Allosaurus species and Saurophagonax

[austere sparrow]

For all the sickos out there

People have requested other ground sloths

And if they were dinosaurs the devs might've even listened

[late swallow]

Did it take you this long?

[open heron]

Eremotherium is based but probably too different from Megatherium to be an alt.

[austere sparrow]

😭 Look usually that statement is a gross oversimplification

[deep lake]

brontotherium yes please
i love them

[austere sparrow]

But in this context I do feel like the devs just like horny things

[late swallow]

[open heron]

I do think only dinosaurs can have four skins though so I doubt it'll happen

[low bridge]

So u love Megacerops?

[glass snow]

Mammoth could have had it like a fourth skin as a alt but it didn’t happen 😭

[deep lake]

i think thay are cool and goofy

[open heron]

PK's ultimately mostly a dinosaur game that just happens to have a few extinct mammals in it because they're neat, kind of like how the Zoo Tycoon: Dinosaur Digs was but slightly less lopsided.
The mammals are still important and all, but the dinosaurs will always be the focus.

so it makes sense that only dinosaurs can have four skins

[flint sable]

also Paleozoics too

[open heron]

also mammals don't exactly lend themselves to huge skin diversity that often.

[flint sable]

they will also likely be getting the same treatment, although likely even worse off in terms of numbers

[glass snow]

i mean the paleozoic does have less land species I guess to add then dinosaurs. The paleozoic does have mini and aquatic potenial but will def have less than dinosaurs

[open heron]

The only animal I can see getting four skins that isn't a dinosaur is Mosasaurus, and we're talking way off into Post-EA there.

[glass snow]

Def worse off especially if we get no aquatics

[glass snow]

I think meg possibly could too with a third skin being an alt

but meg is a shark but mackerel sharks have boring colors but sometimes cool patterns

Like some have freckles or are iridescent so if the devs wanted to they could do that.

[open heron]

I don't think Meg would get four just based on how pelagic sharks tend to mostly just be various shades of countershading.

[austere sparrow]

See, this is only true for certain mammal groups (which are so far the ones the devs are more or less exclusively using) and gets less strict the less close you are to modern day (which the devs, so far, have been almost entirely avoiding)

[low bridge]

Synthetoceras deserves it's place in Prehistoric Kingdom since is Too Prehistoric mammal

[open heron]

certainly a lot you can do with that but IDK if four alts would be wise there

[glass snow]

Meg I could I think have like 3 skins with another otodus alt

it has the rex like popularity and they probably could do something with sharks. Like one irridescent, one with white tips and maybe a white/yellowish lateral stripe, one with freckles and a more mako blue one.

mammoth could have gotten a 4 skin that was an alt

[austere sparrow]

You could definitely pull some stupid spotty stripey nonsense with Meg but it'll probably end up looking like the second coming of Big Bear anyway

[open heron]

I'd expect two O. megs and one O. ob

[glass snow]

my idea for megalodon skins would be something like this.

[austere sparrow]

Personally I am somewhat sick of people parroting the "Prehistoric Kingdom is mainly about dinosaurs so we shouldn't clamor for interesting mammals" stuff. If that's the case, what the hell are semi-obscure boring animals like cave bears and cave/american lions doing here.

[open heron]

Prehistoric Kingdom is mainly about dinosaurs but that shouldn't stop us from clamoring for interesting mammals.

[glass snow]

mosa and meg could have 4 because popularity. Though meg maybe less likely but it is actually workable.

[open heron]

or weird pseudosuchians

god I really need some weird pseudosuchians

[glass snow]

pterandon or quetz could have 4 I think.

pterandon could be like stego

Or trike with like 2 sternberg and 2 longiceps

[open heron]

We don't know how stego's being handled in the alt department yet.

[low bridge]

More interesting mammals are not from Pleistocene

[glass snow]

I mean stego 4 skins

[austere sparrow]

In practice people use the "PK is mainly about dinosaurs" line to shoot down mammal and other non-dinosaur suggestions entirely. Like, there should be more dinosaurs, they existed for like, twice as long as the modern mammal groups did, but the current treatment mammals get is just. Ludicrous

[glass snow]

trike for alt thing

[open heron]

could be all stenops, could be some stenops some ungulatus, could be some stenops, some hespero/wuerho.

[glass snow]

stego and trike as in its not the biggest animal but is super popular.

and like the pterosaur

[lean hound]

I'd love a colourful monitor lizard mosa skin

[glass snow]

so pteranodon could get 4 skins 2 being sternberg and 2 being longiceps

if they wanted to

[open heron]

God I really hope it's s. stenops/wuerho... wuerho would be so nice.

[glass snow]

as like a nod to it being the pterosaur like stego and trike

are the species for their respective group which are popular

I think pteranodon could get 4 being the only one unless quetz gets 4.

though brachi and apato/bronto have 3 so it could go either way

the sauropods all have 3 😭

[open heron]

If it wasn't for Pteranodon having the better alt potential i'd honestly say Quetz has a better shot at getting four.

[glass snow]

if you include alts.

[glass snow]

yeah but since stego also has 4 skins and trike does I think it is possible

Despite it being smaller

but again brachi and apato dont

[open heron]

I think the sauropods don't have four alts because they need the same level of detail on a much larger area.

[glass snow]

Yeah fair point.

[austere sparrow]

They might be saving the 4 skin Sauropod slot for Diplo? Although I am not sure what the point of saving it is, not like you can't theoretically have 4 skins for multiple members of a group

Oh that's a good point actually

[open heron]

Diplo's kind of thin compared to the others so maybe actually.

[austere sparrow]

...Damn, why haven't they been doing "Island dwarf relative" alts since day one then?

[outer moth]

Out of context this sounds pretty funny

[open heron]

probably has the least amount of surface area of any of the super popular sauropods

[open heron]

Have they done that at all?

[austere sparrow]

Nope

not a single one so far

[open heron]

not sure if it'd work either way cus the only sauropod that'd be vaguelt shaped similalrly is Europa to Brachi and that's still a bit too distinct to really work.

[austere sparrow]

Excepting the Camara species and Bronto Sauropods haven't even really gotten alt species/genera

[austere sparrow]

I mean tbf they don't have to be literally from an island. Kaatedocus is right there for Apato/Bronto (or Diplo) for example.

[open heron]

Sauropods have a fairly high ratio of alt to non-alt reps tbf.

[feral cedar]

the artbook deconfirms wuerho as an alt

[open heron]

the artbook seems to be outdated.

[feral cedar]

You seem to be outdated

[open heron]

we got a second herbi on U17's roadmap and it seems to be a stego alt.

unless they're dropping Megatherium early please pleas eplase plaeseseslpels

[feral cedar]

what update are we on rn?

[open heron]

14, going on to 15

[lean hound]

It's weird because stego already has 4 skins

[feral cedar]

So if U15 brings galli, ovi, and breeding and U17 is combat with allo and stego

what is U16 again?

[open heron]

mini rework and flat rides

and death

[feral cedar]

oh

[open heron]

and vets

and disease

[feral cedar]

I see

[open heron]

basically it's a lot of the good management aspects

[outer moth]

Perhaps one of those skins got converted

[feral cedar]

I doubt it but I wonder if we’d get non-terrarium critters in U16

[open heron]

Unlikely

[open heron]

I need the pink plated alt skin on wuerho so bad

[feral cedar]

I hope it’s not too late to simply rename Saurophaganax to Allosaurus anax

[outer crater]

Instead of alts, stego should have different plate depictions (similar to the dilo model variants)

[feral cedar]

uh

[lean hound]

Isn't stego's plate shape known..?

[feral cedar]

Idk what different plates would be like except for like, spiky and not spiky

[lean hound]

If they did do that godzilla would definitely be one of the spiky ones

[outer crater]

I mean the keratin. Like some paleoart has the ruffled edges and the PK concept art shows tons of small plates between the real plates. And then throw in a model with a more normal design

[lean hound]

Ohh

[feral cedar]

hmm

[outer moth]

Also do yall think Barosaurus should be in the game?

Perhaps as a Dippy alt n all

[austere sparrow]

I support Baro and Kaatedocus for Dippy alts

But I also feel like that's a slightly insane position to hold

[outer moth]

I’m mentioning Baro cuz I’ve seen the size estimates for B. sp and it’s absolutely titanic

[glass snow]

I’d like D. hallorum and D. carnegii maybe baro or super as alts. Though doesn’t baro/super have too different proportions.

[glass snow]

the super big baro are actually probably supersaurus

Or something close too it

And aren’t as big as older estimates of course but still are big

but I’d prefer baro because it is what dippies spikes in media are based on

[outer moth]

Big Baro could easily still be a thing lol

I feel like it and Supersaurus are pretty close either way

[glass snow]

Would be cool if dippy gets 4 skins 2 being baro and super and 2 being the two dippy species. Though super and baro are I think pretty proportionally different especially I think super

[austere sparrow]

Wait, I thought the Dippy spikes were from Kaatedocus?

[glass snow]

actually they may have been as Kaatedocus was once considered Baro before it was named

actually it is both

research the quarry includes them in both barosaurus sp. and kaatedocus

[outer moth]

Doubt it would get 4 skins

I'd say
Diplo/Kaate/Baro

With one skin each

[glass snow]

Cut one as dippy should have both dippy species in my opinion

[wild relic]

True

[glass snow]

dippy, hallorum and kaate I guess if each are alts

[ancient ibex]

The artbook deconfirms Torvo gurneyi as an alt tho

[desert jacinth]

kosmoceratops straight up looks like he got a hairstyle done by its mother

[late swallow]

"My papa drives a Rolls Royce" lookin

[feral cedar]

What other Pleistocene things could be still be added?

[silver steeple]

Australian, South American, and African fauna

[feral cedar]

hmm

Australian probably entails like... megalania, Thylacoleo, Diprotodon, Procoptodon, and maybe Genyornis for a Pleistocene 'dinosaur'

South American is obviously Megatherium, Doedicurus, Macrauchenia, Toxodon...

I'm not sure if there's any noteworthy Pleistocene African fauna off the top of my head though

[flint sable]

theres a few

[silver steeple]

Technically Deinotherium lol

[flint sable]

most that I can think of were also found in either Europe or Asia

[silver steeple]

D. bozasi is from the early pleistocene

[flint sable]

but Perlovis or whatever it is would be cool

the big buffalo

[silver steeple]

mistercdp is right though

Most of the fauna at the time was shared with parts of Eurasia

[feral cedar]

Interesting

[feral cedar]

To be fair though if Deinotherium is added, D. giganteum is the no-brainer

[silver steeple]

No reason it can't have alts

[flint sable]

Syncerus antiquus

that one

[feral cedar]

Prodeinotherium as an alt for a Juxia situation would be interesting

[silver steeple]

Eh

[feral cedar]

I'm joking

[silver steeple]

Probably a little to different in shape

[feral cedar]

wait what

[flint sable]

me: its all EZ?

you: always has been

/j

[feral cedar]

nah but fr it's like mostly EZ

[silver steeple]

Not as lanky proportionally + the trunk is probably much wider than deinotherium

[feral cedar]

Erior has supported Prodeinotherium because it'd be easy to make

But every other discussion about Prodeinotherium is either EZ or someone talking about why Prodeino isn't a good inclusion lol

[silver steeple]

I mean if the devs wanna do it they'll do it, I just don't think it would represent the actual animal as well as it could

You can see here just how different the skulls are

People talk about Deino having a short trunk (which it would have ftr), but Prodeino would barely have as much of a trunk as like a tapir lol

[feral cedar]

that tracks

It is PROdeinotherium after all

I was looking into Pleistocene mammals of Africa and I remembered the lambeosaurine wildebeest

Rusingoryx

[silver steeple]

Well yes but the point is like idk if you could even make prodeino's trunk work on the same animations as deino lol

[flint sable]

TURE

good pleistocene africa pick actually

[silver steeple]

And yeah Rusingoryx would be neat

[feral cedar]

Huh

[feral cedar]

Yeah, so NOT a very epic inclusion

[silver steeple]

More hoofstock would be neat tho

[feral cedar]

define hoofstock

like filler

?

[silver steeple]

Feels like a bit of a vacant area atm

Hoofstock in zoos irl are things like zebras, wildebeests, gazelles etc

[feral cedar]

So enclosure filler animals

[silver steeple]

Arguably hadrosaurs/ornithopods sorta fill that role in PK

But they're all a little too big and grand

[flint sable]

definitely the smaller ones

like Dryo

but all the larger ones definitely fill the role of elephant for me

[feral cedar]

Dryosaurus strikes me as the only 'proper' hoofstock in PK atm

[silver steeple]

Sorta

[feral cedar]

Like no one goes to the dino zoo to see Dryosaurus

[flint sable]

Megaloceros and Juxia exist

although both are a bit large and Juxia is weird

so

[silver steeple]

Juxia feels more like an okapi to me tbh

[feral cedar]

Megaloceros is a bit large and a bit too majestic to be hoofstock imo

^^^

[flint sable]

I agree ye

[feral cedar]

Juxia is the okapi to Paraceratherium's giraffe

[silver steeple]

Technically "hoofstock" but a bit more exotic

[flint sable]

ye

I guess you could probably make an argument for Scelidiosaurus lowkey

[silver steeple]

I could see that ye

[feral cedar]

ngl Leaellynasaura doesn't really register as hoofstock for me

[flint sable]

Leally and all of the tacos are too small to really be hoofstock yeah

[feral cedar]

Mostly because it's really damn cute, has that long ass tail, and is an Aussie animal. It has a lot of 'appeal' that makes it likely people go see it deliberately

[silver steeple]

Yeah those are just silly guys

All zoos gotta have silly little guys

[feral cedar]

Exactly

[silver steeple]

Like red pandas or foxes

Or capybara

[flint sable]

mhm

[feral cedar]

Leaelly, proto, velo, and taco are PK's silly lil guys

[flint sable]

also speaking of

PK and real zoo rosters have quite a disparity IMO

since in IRL zoos, 80% or more of species are usually really small and relatively unknown right

[silver steeple]

Well that's because PK is still in dev and adding more stuff lol

[flint sable]

even just going off of terms of size

and then all the big stuff is usually not a lot of the species

[outer moth]

Eh, not rlly
Apato has 2 species too but we didn't get both of em

[flint sable]

in PK its basically the opposite

where giant species are super common in the zoos but then they lack much smaller species

although hopefully this will be definitely fixed in future updates, and U16 is gonna help a lot in that reguard

Oviraptor is nice too

[hollow furnace]

That's because PK is a non-avian dinosaur zoo game and most non-avian dinosaurs, especially famous ones, are big

[silver steeple]

In fairness though a lot of the smaller animals you see in zoos are PK terrarium sized

[flint sable]

definitely

[feral cedar]

Yes but I'd rather have charismatic animals we know instead of adding the nefarious Engimacursor because of disparity, but that's just me

[flint sable]

definitely

I would like to see some smaller more famous animals down the line, which they are seemingly doing with the minis and Oviraptor in the coming updates

which is nice

[outer moth]

Deinon is charismatic
And fairly small

[silver steeple]

The size range in PK is skewed towards larger animals simply because the fossil record is as well

And the public eye

[flint sable]

definitely

[feral cedar]

Deinonychus is part of a roster of dinosaurs I like to call "Every dino zoo worth their salt would feature these without a doubt"

[flint sable]

which is kinda unfortunate I think

[silver steeple]

Just comes with the territory

[flint sable]

I dont think its the devs fault or anything, but having an abnormal ammount of large species compared to small ones actually makes it kinda difficult to make realistic zoos

since realistic zoos usually have tiny filler enclosures everywhere

although again, U16 will be helping a lot with this

[feral cedar]

Deinonychus is the face of the Dinosaur Renaissance. Could be marketed as the revolutionary scientific discovery and "the real Jurassic Park raptor" while banking on the obvious popularity of being a movie star

[outer moth]

I mean, we might get smaller filler species as well
No doubt
Cuz the fossil record also has neat smaller mesozoic species

Like Troodonts

[feral cedar]

Diplodocus carnegii is the single most popular skeleton mount thanks to Dippy, so I'd assume that any dino zoo worth their salt would feature such an animal in their roster

[outer moth]

Pair that with Barosaurus and you've got some crazy size variation

[feral cedar]

maybe

Wasn't that gigantic Barosaurus like

Barosaurus sp.

Speaking of IRL zoos vs. dino zoos I honestly think Jurassic World's petting zoo is unrealistic

[flint sable]

1000%

[feral cedar]

Like I don't remember the last time an IRL zoo let kids play with the babies of megafauna

[flint sable]

if they did have a dino petting zoo, it would not have megafauna babies lol

it would just have smaller species in it

[outer moth]

Sadly yes
But I do hope that B.sp isn't bogus

[feral cedar]

A dinosaur petting zoo would be something like... Hypsilophodon

[flint sable]

exactly!

[feral cedar]

Even at their biggest, hypsis are only 2 meters long and that's mostly tail

[flint sable]

or maybe even Dryosaurus

although they might be a bit big

[outer moth]

The fact that Marapuni n Baro seem to be some of the biggest species in this image is pretty crazy

Sad that Marapuni's only remains vanished

[feral cedar]

little Billy goes to the petting zoo to feed a dryo and he gets kicked after startling it

[flint sable]

I mean thats like cow sized

ive been to petting zoos with a cow before

[feral cedar]

eh, true

Dryosaurus could push it a bit but it could work

[flint sable]

also I personally wouldnt be concerned about the kick, id be concerned about that tail though

[feral cedar]

You know what I think would be a great petting zoo dinosaur?

Europasaurus

[flint sable]

that tail could easily knock me down just by turning around

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/my-mom-muscle-man-meme-gif-24842373

[feral cedar]

fossil evidence suggests one of the consequences of island isolation would be europas being more nurturing of their young

this means that they could grow accustomed to people from an early age

[flint sable]

mhm

and also being

at least in terms of sauropods

[feral cedar]

While kids would never be in the enclosure with them, they COULD allow these tamed Europasaurus to be hand-fed

[flint sable]

teeny

mhm

although I think limiting our scope to just dinosaurs when talking about petting zoos is somewhat limiting

[flint sable]

dont forget Cenozoics or even a few Paleozoics, but Cenozoics especially

[feral cedar]

Cenozoics are so easy for petting zoos

Eohippus

[flint sable]

especially more recent stuff, there is a rediculous ammount of island fauna its not even funny

basically every small mammal or bird from most islands

like

just to name a few

[feral cedar]

ngl I feel like maybe not a PETTING zoo but there could totally be a mammoth-guest interaction attraction with a female mammoth that has been HEAVILY accustomed to the presence of a person

[median relic]

would moschops work for a petting zoo or is it a bit too big

[feral cedar]

moschopped 💔

too big

[flint sable]

Myotragus
Dwarf Paleoxodon (or basically any other dwarf elephant/mammoth)
Moa Nalo
Bush Moa
Basically any flightless waterfowl from countless islands
(probably not dodo since they were reportedly nippy)

[flint sable]

and this is just the ones I can think of off of the top of my head

[feral cedar]

NIPPY DODOS

that makes me realize

Psittacosaurus would SUCK for petting zoos

[flint sable]

exclusively from islands during the Pleistocene/Holocene

[flint sable]

yes

[median relic]

moschops isn't that big

[feral cedar]

that beak could bite fingers clean off

[flint sable]

however my dear freinds

I reccomend

in all seriousness

coty

for the petting zoo

sure he may be absolutely humoungous

but hes not going anywhere, slow mf

[feral cedar]

I have a feeling coty would be a hit with the kids

like they'd all just sit there laughing at how goofy he looks

[flint sable]

basically like an even bigger and probably equally slow galapagos tortoise

and those guys are in petting zoos

and the best part is that it wouldnt even have the beak to worry about

[feral cedar]

imagine a completely tamed coty that sits around all day with not a thought behind those eyes

[silver steeple]

Ftr that baro size is outdated

[late swallow]

oh that's a fat bastard you could ride

[silver steeple]

Big baro is still real, but not that big

[flint sable]

and if you wanted to go the slightly less ethical route you could even have coty rides on the big species, handcocki I think it was

romeri is probably too small to ride

[late swallow]

not for a child

[feral cedar]

I don't want to speculate too much but honestly Coty strikes me as the perfect babysitter attraction

[flint sable]

for scale, this is C. handcocki

an adult could ride that mf

[late swallow]

oh that's a unit

[feral cedar]

like I genuinely think it'd just not care at all what the kids do

[late swallow]

peeled capybara

[flint sable]

romeri would definitely be better for a petting zoo methinks, but both could definitely work

[feral cedar]

I could see a 7 year old get excited, run up to the rotund bastard, climb aboard his back, and he'd do NOTHING

just continue chewing on whatever plant he'd already begun eating

a truly gentle giant

with unmatched levels of patience

Cotylorhynchus petting zoos, make it a reality already

[austere sparrow]

Cotylorhynchus, Myotragus and Meiolania as the petting zoo trio would go kinda hard imo

[flint sable]

would Meiolania be a safe pick?

[feral cedar]

I'm not sure about Meiolania tbh

[austere sparrow]

I mean apparently they were domesticated?

[flint sable]

it is a big ass tortoise sure, but its awfully spiky

[flint sable]

???

[austere sparrow]

But yeah, it is awfully spiky...

[flint sable]

source?

[feral cedar]

Myotragus could work

Also I could totally see a guest interaction thing where they let trained Archaeopteryx, Microraptor, and Yi perch on guests shoulders and shit

[austere sparrow]

...And now that you ask for a source I remember that I have no idea where I remembered that from so it could be utter bullshit oops One second

Okay, so, can't find anything, so, yeah. Chances are that was nonsense, then. 😅 Officially rescinding my suggestion of Meiolania being suitable petting zoo material.

[late swallow]

anything's petting zoo material if you're brave enough

[austere sparrow]

...Maybe Zalmoxes could work? Not sure if island tameness would apply to an animal that lived alongside flying predatory giraffes tho

[austere sparrow]

The humble Gympie gympie tree:

[late swallow]

mind over matter

[flint sable]

the notable alaskan bullworm:

[late swallow]

simply spread

[flint sable]

you wont even be able to pet it because by the time your hand is close enough, it wont be attatched to your arm anymore

[austere sparrow]

The girthy Majungasaurus crenatissimus:

I hear it eats your arms first, because it lacks arms, and this renders it jealous

Hashtag Kaimereposting

[median relic]

WHAT

[austere sparrow]

Also, I am mildly bored, sooo... Imma start another poll.

[ancient ibex]

Cows are domestic animals, and I doubt petting zoos would have bison lol

[ancient ibex]

Fukuiraptor is by definition out of megaraptoridae

[austere sparrow]

Members of Megaraptora

[ancient ibex]

Derp

Sorry

[austere sparrow]

I mean hey, I have definitely made mistakes like that in the past, so I can understand the urge to correct

[ancient ibex]

It is also a bit weird how Megaraptoridae is defined by "no, this guy cannot be one", but, megaraptorans in general are weird

Those years Megaraptora was a subset of a Neovenatoridae, because of long branch attraction

[austere sparrow]

Mhm

Megaraptora are definitely the weirdest Theropod clade claidistically, I'd say

[ancient ibex]

Nah

[austere sparrow]

...Yeah okay birds.

[ancient ibex]

Deltadromeus, Gualicho, Chilesaurus

[austere sparrow]

...Actually now that I think about it. Considering the whole Carnosaur fiasco I guess they're not even that bad

Damn,Gualicho is such a nothingburger I didn't realize it was a taxonomic mess

Kinda want this stupid little shit in PK now

[open heron]

aerosteon...

[austere sparrow]

Oh Aeroston. I think that one got requested before, didn't it

[open heron]

It's roughly equivalent to Megaraptor in most ways but iirc it's more complete.

[austere sparrow]

Ah yeah that would do it

[open heron]

It also has an s tier name, and quite frankly a very nice vivosaur design.

[austere sparrow]

Churning my brain over if I can retroactively include it somehow

Doesn't seem possible oof

I guess if anybody else wants Aeroston make sure to mention it and I'll try to remember how to count how many requests it got once the poll concludes in. Two weeks. Hm.

Maybe I didn't need to leave them open for quite that long.

[ancient ibex]

Top is a composite, then Aerosteon, Murusraptor, Megaraptor, Australovenator and Fukuiraptor

[mellow creek]

I knew aerosteon wasn't super complete but how is it in such a good position here lmao

[ancient ibex]

Adding a few more, and we still barely have half a skeleton of derived Megaraptorans

TTBT, Megaraptor may be argued to be more complete thanks to the juvenile specimen, plus the pretty much complete forearm and hand

[mellow creek]

That's fair

[open heron]

I wonder what specifically causes megaraptorans to preserve poorly, or have we just gotten unlucky with them?

[flint sable]

geographic location definitely isnt doing them any favours

with an entire continent with presumabley high numbers of megaraptorans underneath the ice

also not sure about this one, but they are seemingly quite gracile and lightly built compared to other theropods their size?

not sure if that would be a factor really

[late swallow]

Is Coelurosauria even an acknowledged clade anymore

[flint sable]

uhhh

yes

[ancient ibex]

What the hell

[flint sable]

and where did you get the idea that it isnt

as far as im aware nobody has rejected coelurosauria within probably like

ever

except maybe p*ters but even then I dont know if he has

coelurosauria is just any theropod thats closer to modern birds than they are to Carnosaurs

[ancient ibex]

Weird BANDits may do weird things with it, but science does advance one funeral at a time in those cases

[flint sable]

wait no

[ancient ibex]

Carnosauria as something beyond Allosauroidea is the one that isn't that stable; Allosauroids closer to Coelurosaurs or to Megalosauroids tends to shift a bit

[flint sable]

wait yeah

[ancient ibex]

Coelurosauria is anchored on being closer to birds than to Allosaurus

[flint sable]

yeah

[ancient ibex]

Allosaurus cannot be a coelurosaur

[flint sable]

so stuff that wouldnt be a Coelurosaur would be stuff like

Abelisaurs, Ceratosaurs, Noasaurs, Spinosaurs, Megalosaurs, and Allosaurs

I think thats all the major clades of theropods that arent Coelurosaurs right

oh and I guess technically Coelophysids

[ancient ibex]

I mean, megalosaurs (spinosaurs inclusive) could be coelurosaurs if found closer to birds than to allosaurs I believe, but other than that there is plenty of definition complexities preventing any of the others

Plenty of early underived tetanureans also skirt the line, but, we are beyond the world of "big carnosaur, small coelurosaur, Deinonychus is an in-between that confuses us"

[chrome wigeon]

I'm still surprised we got apato before diplo when diplo had already been planned for years

[silver steeple]

Diplo was old

[plush nacelle]

Mammals in PK still have it better than non-mammal animals in Planet Zoo.

We should be glad Mau puts at least some care into mammals. EA roster is going to be rather diverse

With addition of ambulocetus, megatherium, doedicurus and terrarium critter
And then RE will come with thylacine, horse and perhaps something else

[quick ore]

I would say Australovenator then. It was technically in WWD and I think it deserves another chance at being in the spotlight. Plus, it would be the only theropod you could add from Australia without adding one of the extremely fragmentary species.

[low bridge]

What about Hyaenodon, Daeodon

Mammals are so peak in game

[hollow flower]

everytime I see the word hoofstock it reminds me of like those weird internet words like friendslop

Like if pk added like 3 different hooved animals consecutively you would call that hoofslop

[ancient ibex]

We still gotta use a ton of SA Megaraptoran stuff for it; I stand by the multiple species alt approach, because no matter what it'd be a composite

[low bridge]

Hello everyone how u doin

[austere sparrow]

You're telling me we don't actually have Fukuiraptors skull and everybody just reconstructs it with a weird scrunchy nose for shits and giggles? 💀

[ancient ibex]

Yep

[austere sparrow]

Also 😭 We really do not have an adult Megaraptoran skull, huh. So they might just. Not have had that funky triangle-looking head. 😭

[ancient ibex]

We do have some elements, and of course there is reasonable extrapolation, but, yeah

[austere sparrow]

This kinda shit is why I'm a mammal-maximalist. At least when they pull this kinda bullshit on a clade-level they don't stubbornly refuse to stay obscure afterwards

[digital pendant]

Mammal maxing 😎

[austere sparrow]

Invest in mammal stonks

[low bridge]

Not mammal but mammail 🫣

[kind oriole]

jumping back on an earlier discussion about diveristy of locations to represent animals: Panthera as currently in PK is an example of how the devs gave more weight to P. spelaea (with two skins) than to P. atrox. They could have done it the other way around but they preferred giving prevalence to a non-North-American animal. I bet they'd do the same with other mammal and dinosaur clades when they have the choice and available reconstructions

It's why I'm rather happy with Muttaburrasaurus over Tenontosaurus. The former will always proxy for the latter in my parks when representing Early Cretaceous NA formations. But with Mutta's awesome skins, I want to use them across my parks

[ancient ibex]

"I wanted an Australian animal so I can pretend it is a North American one"? Okay

[feral cedar]

…what?

these aren’t even CLOSE to being proxy species of each other

[late swallow]

Why does his tail do that

[feral cedar]

I dunno, but it’s part of what makes tenonto pretty unique

[brave pier]

The humble Deinonychus getting slapped into orbit:

https://tenor.com/view/eggman-slap-gif-24023679

[late swallow]

What are you even talking about Deinonychus

[plain linden]

Cuz deinonychus lived alongside tenonto (you prob already knew that but yeah)

[ancient ibex]

I seriously hope we get a few more hoofstockesque ornithopods down the line

[feral cedar]

only two left

tenonto and campto

thescelo would be great but it’s not an ornithopod 🤓

[wild relic]

Isn't Tenonto scrapped?

[feral cedar]

have the devs scrapped it in the permanent way?

[wild relic]

Like yeah they scrapped Tenonto, Thescel, Sauropelta and Nothro because of some reason I forgot

[outer moth]

Nothing is scrapped

It's been "reshuffled"

in quotes

[wild relic]

Oh

Nevermind then

[feral cedar]

reshuffled implies all of the original 50 are coming but “reshuffled”

🙏

[slim flare]

You’re so smart!

[late swallow]

Tenonto (and sauropelta ) would help bulk the Cloverly

[slim flare]

Deinonychus…

[wild relic]

I mean Cerato, Preno and Diplo are speculated for post ea ideas based on that teaser map thing Mau showed

[late swallow]

There's so many good ones.... Sauroposeidon; Aquilops

[slim flare]

Can you list a couple?

[late swallow]

I just did;;

[wild relic]

Rugocaudia, Microvenator

[slim flare]

No, good ones

[late swallow]

Mean :[

Also Ornithomimus

[slim flare]

Aquilops is cool but it’d be a mini

[slim flare]

?

[late swallow]

Yeah and

O. velox is found in the Cloverly

[slim flare]

No it’s not

[late swallow]

Are you just a contrarian? Why do you shoot things down all the time

[late swallow]

I missed a note, yeah.

[slim flare]

It was a joke

[late swallow]

Did not read as one

[slim flare]

Dry humor

[plain linden]

This one is out-dated sadly

[ancient ibex]

It is how things were pondered a year ago

Some things may have changed, nothing has been really worked there

[plush nacelle]

I hope so.

[slim flare]

We all do

It was a good list

No weak species on there, pretty much all required for a fleshed-out roster

[plush nacelle]

Bring back yang and deinon too, while we at it

People like them removed animals

[open heron]

Bring back the lot if you have to, just make sure Yang and Tenont are the top priority tbh.

[slim flare]

Yang overhype smh

[open heron]

Just think Yang is friend shaped honestly.

[austere sparrow]

Yang is my least favorite. Like sure, Blake is racist against her own people, but like. Yang just getting too preoccupied making googly eyes to help her depressed sister in the most recent volume? Disgusting.
...Wait which server was I in again

Jokes aside, Yang is pretty pog. One of the few last remaining Megatheropods worth adding imo. And I would utterly love having one of those "Predator has sightlines on the prey" exhibits with it and whichever Asian Stegosaur we end up getting (assuming we get one)

[late swallow]

I thought I missed something there for a second

[wild relic]

I wouldn't mind Alioramus/Qianzhousaurus to be added

I remember those cut dinosaurs from JPOG and there was like Panoplosaurus

[austere sparrow]

Panini bread

[ancient ibex]

Panoplosaurs may be likely, Edmontonia is one

[wild relic]

Indeed

Honestly I hope Edmontonia still comes to the game it's one of my favorite ankylosaurians

[ancient ibex]

Alioramus (Brusatte stop erecting taxa with each specimen, drop the Sereno bit lol) could be interesting, but first Albertosaurines and non-Tyrannosaurids

[low bridge]

Sorry but Edmontonia is Nodosaurid 😐😐

[austere sparrow]

Edmontonia has become one of my least favorite Nodosaurs due to the oversaturation effect 😭

[wild relic]

Nododaurids are part of ankylosauria

[austere sparrow]

EZ, go on wikipedia and look up Ankylosauria

[ancient ibex]

Nodosaurs are ankylosaurs

[wild relic]

Smh lol

[austere sparrow]

Nodosaurs aren't even a real group anymore also 😭

[ancient ibex]

https://x.com/TomHoltzPaleo/status/1782466746324009066 Alioramus itself got larger

Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. 🦖💕 (he/him) (@TomHoltzPaleo)

@TM9380 @NatGeo_rge Correct; we don't officially have adult Alioramus yet. There are privately-owned skulls (now repatriated to Mongolia) that show what the adult condition looked like.

X · Apr 22, 2024, 5:49 PM

[ancient ibex]

They are quite often found to be one

[austere sparrow]

Oh huh

Adult Alioramus looks funky.

[ancient ibex]

I wouldn't be surprised if they are a grade leading to Ankylosaurids

[ancient ibex]

https://x.com/MesozoicDream/status/1783425229592928745

Mesozoic Travelogue (@MesozoicDream)

@TomHoltzPaleo @TM9380 @NatGeo_rge These seem to be lateral photo of same specimen (now in museum). Do you think they are more robust than published skulls of Alioramus?

X · Apr 25, 2024, 9:18 AM

[austere sparrow]

Not sure I like. Want Alioramus ingame. But I guess that's interesting

...Alioramus is weird to me, because the name is okay and I'm not sure I'd mind it in the right context?

I guess it's a dinosaurian cave bear/American lion to me

[ancient ibex]

It is something neat for a second ~8 meter tyrannosaurid

Daspletosaurus is cool but I'd take this first

[austere sparrow]

If it doesn't feel like it's taking work time away from something more deserving I'd be okay with it

[ancient ibex]

That's a weird metric to have

[austere sparrow]

Daspletosaurus is mostly interesting because I would want a second coming of Camarasaurus from it. One representative for every species

Maybe the dreaded Nanuqsaurus can be an alt genus for it

[ancient ibex]

Daspletosaurus being a grade is also not a far reach anyway, degrootorum being the clearest one to do so

But, eh

[austere sparrow]

Shoutout to that one JWE2 mod that just has all the Daspletosaurus species

[ancient ibex]

First let's get Alberto, and proceratosaurs, and perhaps stokesosaurs and alectrosaurs, and of course aliorams, and then we may ponder daspletosaurs

[austere sparrow]

...Some JWE2 modders have a real thing for representing every species. Most notably the "accurate variant" makers.

Ungodly amount of Ichthyosaurus species from those ones.

[ancient ibex]

Ah, Liv wrecking herself upon trying to do the marine animals and realicing the taxonomy works differently than with dinosaurs

[austere sparrow]

Oof, yupp

You know Liv?

[tough marsh]

stokesosaurus is a bit fragmentary

tany is a better one

[austere sparrow]

Stokesosaurus is entirely being shilled for ZT2 nostalgia and no other reason

Stokesosaurus 🤝 Giant Warthog
Only remembered thanks to ZT2

[outer moth]

So no Yuty or Guan?

[austere sparrow]

Yuty and Guan are both Proceratosaurs

[outer moth]

I know but I thought Erior only mentioned Proceratosaurus proper for a moment there

Procerato can easily be a Guan alt tho

[austere sparrow]

Procerato as a Guan alt I would like, I think

Lived in a different formation and biome, right

[open heron]

The giant warthog was in fossil fighters too

[austere sparrow]

Really?

Maybe I should look up a fossil fighters species list 🤔

[open heron]

Metridiochoerus yes

same genus as the ZT2 giant warthog

[mellow creek]

paleo.gg has lists for both DS entries

[austere sparrow]

Dats de one

[austere sparrow]

Does it come with pictures?

[open heron]

You should, there's some pretty neat roster picks in there.

[mellow creek]

It does!

[open heron]

Yes it does

[mellow creek]

My second FF1 playthrough ended with a party of utahraptor, styracosaurus, pachycephalosaurus, elasmosaurus, and microraptor

Considered running quetzalcoatlus but m-raptor is my favorite :v

[open heron]

Might be the first time i''ve ever heard of someone dropping the Spinax tbh.

[mellow creek]

I wanted a run with my top 3 (m-raptor, styraco, pachy) and styraco and spinax overlap a bit much imo

[outer moth]

Different formation yeah

[open heron]

fair.

[outer moth]

As for the climate, Procerato more or less lived in a subtropical archipelago

So more coastal than Guan

[mellow creek]

Besides, after some other monster collecting games I've played, I got more comfortable with binning the first thing you get lol

[ancient ibex]

Nah, gotta go full Juratyrant

[steep tulip]

Alio instead of quanzhou all the way

[ancient ibex]

Alio instead of Alio?

[outer moth]

Why not just have Alio with a Qinzhou alt?
Devs have done synonymous species as alts before

[steep tulip]

Yep lol

[modern totem]

Those are some really interesting sauropods to include in the game

[ancient ibex]

Bajadasaurus is one overrated animal fwiw

Massive extrapolation out of a single neural spine that may have been deformed by fossilization

Neat skull tho

[outer moth]

I know but without it, Amarga feels like a wasted PK slot

[ancient ibex]

It doesn't

[steep tulip]

Nah amarga goated

[ancient ibex]

Amarga is an incredibly complete animal on its own right

[steep tulip]

Even without badaja

[ancient ibex]

Bajada is scrap

[outer moth]

Guess so

[late swallow]

And is one of the multitude of animals named after the formation