Ceratopsian Run Animation Changes

[paper furnace]

Why was it changed to gallop? Ceratopsians had heavy body and short legs with quite primitive pelvis. Their legs were not that versatile. Not mentioning some, like triceratops weighted over 10 tons...no way they could've galloped.
Even ingame triceratops looks very heavy and armored, not an animal suitable for galloping run animations.
Same goes for pachyrhinosarus (second largest ceratopsian ingame)
Styraco and nasuto are also quite bulky, but smaller.

[steady vortex]

GG @paper furnace, you just advanced to level 1 !

[paper furnace]

Ceratopsian Run Animation Change

Ceratopsian Run Animation Changes

[ocean matrix]

I mean,rhinos are absolute units and can still gallop (i mean yeah trike weighs about 10 tons,which is a whole size difference.)

[paper furnace]

Rhino has way more versatile legs
As well as huge size difference.

[ocean matrix]

like i said,trike has a whole size difference

altough tbf,a trike galloping would´ve been scary as hell

[burnt moat]

They've made the change because they felt like it, really. PK isn't really something designed to be "accurate" rather than simply being well-informed, and it's far from the first time they've done artistic liscensing such as this.

[ocean matrix]

cough cough Anti-social styraco cough cough

[burnt moat]

^And even that ain't even the tip of the iceberg.

[paper furnace]

Gallop still looks off on large ceratopsians
Its not beautiful or whatever

[strong estuary]

Agreed, a quick trot would be a better move for Triceratops and Pachyrhinosaurus. I mean, the maximum speed of both. Gallop not suits well at least for these biggest ones species, at same time i can't complain about it on smaller ceratopsians.

[timber yew]

They do trot, they just gallop at their fastest speed

This is unlikely to change

[alpine pine]

i disagreed if they cant gallop, the whole shaped look like it evolved to be charged at something like rhino, and rhino can do gallop without any trouble

[low pine]

even crocodiles do Gallopp think on this

https://tenor.com/view/crocodile-gallop-gif-27691516

[paper furnace]

Elephants don't gallop
Crocodiles don't weigh 6-12 tons, as well as rhinos. Massive size difference

[paper furnace]

Ceratopsians didn't charge, they stood their ground

[alpine pine]

they do, they fight each other

hippo without horn can charged, all rhino that exist too

why do you think that ceratopsian/triceratops having less ability than the current similar animals today?

[paper furnace]

If triceratops charges smth it would break its nose https://youtu.be/tFZJ-9UhLro?si=XixQjl-CoR7r4Kah

[paper furnace]

Different pelvis, less versatile limbs, 4x body mass lol

[alpine pine]

you missed the point

even the current rhino horn and elephant is not strong as you think, but they still charged

the point is not how strong it be, its just a natural instinct

[alpine pine]

why not

[paper furnace]

Rhinos are way way lighter, elephants don't gallop

[paper furnace]

Elephants and rhinos don't die after they charge
Triceratops will have its skull cracked lol

[alpine pine]

the weight doesnt mean it they cant gallop, if they had the structure and the muscle, why not

[alpine pine]

thats not the point

its a way to survive

some rhino died by charged

do other rhino stopped charging? no

[paper furnace]

They didn't have structures for galloping.
Also killing itself is not a way to survive lol
Rhinos charge because its effective for them. Triceratops is not a rhino, its a 10 ton animal with head so heavy they were even bad swimmers

[alpine pine]

http://gspauldino.com/Forelimb.pdf

its possible

[paper furnace]

Thats what i said, youre proving my point

[alpine pine]

???

russell (1977) said they cant gallop
there are some cervicodorsal series of ceratopsids appear more massively built than sized elephants
validity of russell's suggestion is dubious

read it

[paper furnace]

Also its an old article, 2000s lol

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GG @paper furnace, you just advanced to level 2 !

[alpine pine]

give me newer paper

[burnt moat]

Whatever material they used was clearly nowhere near as comparable to bone. Plus the skull would've been reinforced with muscle and skin.

[paper furnace]

More massive
Meaning they are heavier and harder to move

[alpine pine]

???

aaaaaaa

[burnt moat]

Not to mention it was going into a wall.

[alpine pine]

that test is purely dumb

[paper furnace]

Triceratops skull didn't have a lot of muscles and skin on its front end

[alpine pine]

good luck, im out lmao

[burnt moat]

Also, there's the hypocrisy in dismissing Roundtable's paper when that documentary came from 2005.

[paper furnace]

Ppl actually think 10 ton trike galloped lol

Crazy

[burnt moat]

At the end of the day, it's a game.

[alpine pine]

Give me the newer paper and then we can continue to talk

[paper furnace]

3 ton elephants can't gallop

[alpine pine]

Aight, it's over

[paper furnace]

Dude youre comparing triceratops with rhino
What the hell is even "instinct to charge"
And rhinos have way stronger nasal part of the skull lol

[burnt moat]

No offense, but this is turning into a lost cause. All I can say is that you're probably gonna have a field day once Stegosaurus is added...

[paper furnace]

Ik about galloping stego, not making it less dumb

[alpine pine]

The problem is you act like you read those paper but you aren't

Unless you have a newer peer review we can continue

[paper furnace]

This paper most likely made the misconseption abt galloping herbivores which was shown in JW and became popular
No herbivore dinosaur actually galloped

Trike in PK is so heavily armored, no way it could gallop
Same for pachyr

[burnt moat]

Again, it's a game. They don't need to be completely realistic, and there's no reason to make it personal.

[paper furnace]

Well its just a suggestion lol

[burnt moat]

Hell, the argument in that it having a huge head low-key falls apart when you consider that it had to develop means to actually be able to move it around. In this case, strong neck muscles and a ball-and-socket joint at the base of the skull.

And that applies to ceratopsids (and even theropods like T. rex) in general.

[celest swan]

It really looks silly to me when trike runs

[pallid owl]

I don’t hate the trike running but I would prefer to see it happen under certain conditions. It’s a bit odd seeing them full on sprint around an enclosure, but running from a threat would be less odd

It’s also more believable for the younger ones. Full grown trike galloping would be a stretch

[low pine]

Interessting enough : In german Wikipedia is Stadet that Triceratops can indeed Galopp

Its the same Study who said that Triceratops Arm and Leg Posture are Up from ground and in a slightly Ankle we know Today

https://chooser.crossref.org/?doi=10.1666%2F0094-8373(2000)026<0450%3AFPINDI>2.0.CO%3B2 study is from 2000 here you have your paper

[white rose]

yeahr

[devout jetty]

I think it works, since it's a slow gallop

[compact gorge]

bees exist

[valid moss]

https://tenor.com/view/life-uh-finds-a-way-it-be-that-way-it-will-work-itself-out-gif-16077053

[paper furnace]

Looks so unnatural

[hot gazelle]

It does look really floaty

Though I like it better than JWE

[devout jetty]

Now they also made large theropods run super super fast

[hot gazelle]

Looking at it more, while it does look more natural than what JWE did, it lacks weight. Bro's about 8 tons but this feels like 2 tons

[white rose]

nyoom

[compact gorge]

woah

yeah they definitely lack weight

[white rose]

the sauropod ones are very

[compact gorge]

I'm not bothered about trike's run being unrealistic but they definitely need some more visual weight

[white rose]

30-50 tonne sauropod running like that just dont feel right

also arg does it

[hot gazelle]

I think that would be fine for Europasaurus

But not the sauropods currently in PK

[ocean matrix]

That´s alotta fast for something that big

[white rose]

personally I wouldn't mind the speed **if **the animation wasn't so floaty weightless

[compact gorge]

thank god

[white rose]

thank god

[alpine pine]

Are you sure, because nano said it won't change

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Ooh yes

My bad

[devout jetty]

why are you running?

[fathom marsh]

no idea how those sauropods could possibly be playing the baby animations

strange

[low pine]

make sense they were so fast for adult ones

[hot gazelle]

It happens

Game development is a tempermental bitch

[paper furnace]

Make triceratops and pachyr run like those sauropods 😦

Also torvo💀💀

[strong estuary]

I would prefer that Triceratops/Pachyrhinosaurus not galloped, but since this will not be changed, it would be nice if the animal look heavier during movement. It would give the Triceratops/Pachyrhinosaurus a more believable appearance in view of the animal's dimensions and weight. It would be a matter of reducing the speed of the gallop a little, because the animal is currently galloping very fast for its size 🤝🏼

[devout jetty]

I wonder if they fixed big adults running at baby speed

[valid moss]

Agreed

[valid moss]

I think we still need to be realistic in some aspects, a multi ton creature roughly the same size of an african elephant (this is about triceratops) with a huge head and leg anatomy making it unlikely able to gallop not only galloping, but also having its entire body in the air. Atleast put some weight behind it.

[elder meteor]

And hippos kinda.

[valid moss]

Hippos trot

[hot gazelle]

That'd work great for the big ones

[valid moss]

I would prefer if the babies gallop and slowly over time, they transition into a trot.

[low pine]

i must be Honest i never thought Cows can Gallop they also have a Bulky anatomy to do this And from science there are more evidences tricasratops Can Gallop and I not really saw e Deconfirmation of this behavior

[barren temple]

Ungulates have flexible spines and spring-like legs so that’s why their gallop is so effective. I could see smaller ceratopsians galloping like in the game at a slower speed due to the lack of cursorial features, but Triceratops itself is just too massive to gain any suspension for even a split second off the ground. That said I can understand the developers for not wanting to change things specifically for Triceratops due to rig and animation sharing limitations.

[low pine]

and Now Again ... Show me a newer Paper or study that debunking this or its never gonna happen

[subtle lagoon]

prehistoric planet trikes trot and didnt gallop

https://youtu.be/c6hPCX9NDrg?t=139

slow the fight to 0.25 speed

[rigid gate]

the study did not say a large Triceratops is capable of galloping, but moreso that a ceratopsian of similar size to a rhino would be more adept to fast movements

and a large Triceratops could be faster than an elephant

[long folio]

tfw we went full circle to dinosaurs being slow and cumbersome again