Para and Lambeo Resizing

[lament owl]

Anyone who’s been here a while knows there’s been a decent amount of comments on scaling Lambeosaurus down as currently its uncharacteristically large. I was surprised to find no formal suggestion on this however, and let alone one on how Parasaurolophus walkeri is in fact too small.

Starting with Parasaurolophus walkeri, according to measurements by Hex, females in game max out at 7 m and males max out at 8.5 m long. The holotype for P. walkeri, the only adult specimen of that species known, has been estimated to be 9.4 m long. That means the current PK P. walkeri isn’t even capable of reaching the size of the only known specimen. The holotype should probably be assumed to be an “average male” and thus P. walkeri in PK should sometimes exceed 9.5 m, and other times be smaller. Even on a more meta level, the current P. walkeri feels thoroughly unimpressive and I find myself avoiding using it.

Moving onto Lambeosaurus, males in PK max at 11.1 m long, and that’s ignoring the purposefully gigantic Cosmic skin. In reality, Lambeosaurus lambei is actually somewhat smaller than P. walkeri, with the largest known specimen being 7.7 m long, as shown below. It’d be nice to bring it back down to around that size.

Generally speaking, P. walkeri could become the same size as current Lambeo, if only maxing at about 0.5 m shorter (10.5 m), while Lambeo itself could take the same size as current P. walkeri at 8.5 m.

I understand inaccuracy can and should exist in PK, but right now it feels too far off from reality to even feel intuitive, especially for the poor, undeservingly small P. walkeri but also the unnecessarily giant Lambeosaurus. I hope this tweak can be made.

[loud vector]

I can confirm that Lambeosaurus will be resized in Update 12

[lament owl]

That’s great, I hope P. walkeri will be as well.

[loud vector]

I’ll pass it onto the team

[narrow ether]

I would like to second upsizing the Para. It should feel like one of the end-game big hadrosaurs, but it's a bit overshadowed by Lambeo which to my knowledge is still rated lower than Para.

Not to mention the actual scientific reasons

[frank ether]

I hope Lambeosaurus be as big as Parasaurolophus but not smaller in PK, right👍 😉 🌌

[prime hawk]

Ye Parasaurolophus is easily the most famous hadrosaur there is. Should def feel like a good end game animal

[storm sapphire]

[lament owl]

After Hex graciously did another round of measurements I have updated the description to be more accurate in regards to sizes of both the in game models and real life. I now more specifically advocate for making Lambeo the current P. walkeri size, and P. walkeri a slightly smaller current Lambeo size.

[glacial shadow]

Even though I feel P. walkeri deserves an upsizing, I am worried it would make them look too similar to P. jiayinensis in size. In older measurements I took the min and max size for the latter are 8.5m and 10m respectively. (In previous versions of the game animals continued to grow but I haven't seen confirmations of that recently; I measured P.j up to 11.8m then, a bit over the max size for Lambeo ¨Magnapaulia¨

What is the scientific consensus of what P.j could have reached? Is it known in what life stage the found specimens are? If they are about a meter longer than P.w than they remain distinct enough for my taste. Or perhaps the female P.j skin could be sized equally to the male

[lament owl]

Charonosaurus irl is about 10 m long or more, so its max size should be about a meter longer than P. walkeri

[halcyon vault]

Will parasaurolophus cyrtocristatus get upsized a bit to resemble the current walkeri size?

[loud vector]

At this stage we would prefer to keep cryto small for novelty sake

[prime hawk]

That's a fair compromise

[hushed elbow]

Yeah cyrto bring small is fine for the gimmick

Same as cosmic lambeo being big or perotorum being fluffy- one skin getting some whimsical inaccuracies for fun's sake is fair

Adds to gameplay too

[warped cosmos]

Will big Paul remain larger than normal Lambeo?

[lament owl]

In 3 days we find out

[warped cosmos]

true

[opal cypress]

Yes

[lament owl]

How do you know?

[prime hawk]

It was revealed to them in a dream

[opal cypress]

There's no reason it would be changed?

[gray citrus]

Especially since they’re keeping cyrto small for the sake of differentiating it

[prime hawk]

True, but it’s not like we know for certain

[pine wagon]

I always assumed cosmic lambeo was a reference to magnapaulia lol

[hushed elbow]

I think it is, but at it's core it's one of those deviations from accuracy for funsies

It's not a proper alt species per se

[prime hawk]

Tbh it’d be cooler if they just made it an actual alt instead of some weird pseudo alt cosplay

[gray citrus]

It is a reference, yeah

[pine wagon]

Maybe but at the same time magnapaulia is fairly diff from lambeo

[prime hawk]

Tarbo’s fairly different from Rex, but they made it work

[pine wagon]

Tall ass back

It’s got rlly weird proportions for a hadrosaur

[prime hawk]

Wait wtf is that lmao

That’s so weird

[pine wagon]

Ye

Told you

[prime hawk]

If only they could make it work cus it’d be cool to see that represented in the game

[pine wagon]

Other recons make it more normal but I trust this artist

I mean theoretically it could work

I just think it’s outside the scope of subs on a design level

[narrow ether]

https://tenor.com/view/bleh-quasimodo-the-hunchback-of-notre-dame-tongue-out-mocking-gif-18799988

[lament owl]

Lambeosaurus is still significantly too large and Parasaurolophus is unchanged, so the suggestion still stands.

[pine wagon]

Rip

[opal cypress]

Ayeeee

[halcyon vault]

why did it take so little time to edit plateo size but not these 2 lol?

[glacial shadow]

Because Plateosaurus is a god

[halcyon vault]

so is this still going to happen?

[halcyon vault]

finally this will become real!

[lament owl]

@prime hawk @narrow ether We did it

[narrow ether]

That's better

The image from Mau seemed to show walkeri smaller than the image dread posted, did they update it again?

nvm saw all the images

[lament owl]

Wait yeah walkeri is different than cryo here

[prime hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-squidward-tentacles-sweet-victory-band-geeks-happy-gif-11385287481776870065

[storm sapphire]

owo

[radiant bronze]

I know there is variation in individual size but...in update 14 will Para Dusky (walkeri) have the maximum size even larger? Is that right or did I get it wrong?

[lament owl]

I’m unsure. It seems larger in the picture

[radiant bronze]

Yeah, walkeri size is different in these two screenshots

[lament owl]

Is that an after and before?

[radiant bronze]

Mau send these two screenshots yesterday

The first one he said that Paras now are bigger but i'm not sure about exactly species he means. walkeri or cyrtocristatus...

After he posted a second with small walkeri

Now i'm confused if a walkeri now is bigger than before

I mean

Maximum size

[lament owl]

Idk, you gotta ask him

[radiant bronze]

Developers don't like random ping. I think that only when update 14 arrives will I have this answer. Okay, I'll wait...

[gray citrus]

Or you could just read Mau's message

#pk-discussion message

Here downwards

[radiant bronze]

I've read it, but it says paras and doesn't specify which of the two is bigger in the size range

[gray citrus]

Continue scrolling down

[radiant bronze]

What I would like to know is if specifically the walkeri can get even bigger than the maximum size currently

Hmmm it looks like he just used a different specimen in the second picture

😅

Anyway he said that the paras will now be bigger, I'm looking forward to seeing that when the update actually arrives! I want to create a huge walkeri specifically

[hushed elbow]

From the latter comparison

I think by "bigger" he means relatively bigger

In any case I'm really glad the sizes are at the very least generally correct now