Return the Russian formations

[tired sapphire]

there was no russia 20,000 years ago

[night bramble]

the game doesnt even have united states map lmao

[frigid pumice]

I'm Hungarian... so....
I have better idea. PK will have more animals the game may be several sites for the same animals after fossil hunt rework.

[eternal stone]

what fossil hunt rework?

[frigid pumice]

Yes it's my fault. I hope in the future we will get rework.

[rapid brook]

I say we go for a middle ground and put the fossil sites in Germany and Ukraine instead, surely this will upset nobody

Completely serious tho, not everything is about politics

[toxic fiber]

yeah, and after all mammoth steppe animals lived all across eurasia
those formations could aswell be put in poland

[lofty lintel]

Weird way of giving a feedback, just delete it, please.

[toxic fiber]

also formations are such a tiny part of the game that i see no reason to be that upset about this

idk

i don't see why would this deny the enormous legacy of prehistory and paleontology within russian borders

[lofty lintel]

Just weird and aggressive feedback instead of pointing out the issue tbh, the issue is not the formations, but the species of the mammoths.

[wheat wadi]

I’m sorry but as a fellow Russian I feel like I need to set the record straight here

The idea that Russia was the homeland of Woolly Mammoths and then only place they were found in is utterly laughable

Same goes for Woolly Rhinos

The Mammoth steppe was a vast and broad spanning environment

That covered huge regions of Europe

[lofty lintel]

As a fellow non Russian but Russian speaking fellow, I would like to correct you.

[wheat wadi]

The exquisite paintings of both from Chauvet and the plethora of fossils ranging from places like Germany and Spain should be enough of an indicator

Ok yeah, Woolly Mammoths evolved in the East

But their range exceeded well beyond that lol

Here’s a cave painting from Rouffignac

[toxic fiber]

ngl i'd be upset if they gave mammoth and rhino a formation in western europe instead of what we have, but thankfully we are spared from that

[wheat wadi]

Yeah that I agree with

Just wanted to point out that geographically restricting the Mammoth steppe is blatantly incorrect when you actually look at how wide spreading faunal distributions were during the late Pleistocene

With many genera being found in both the eastern and western parts of the continent equally

[toxic fiber]

yeah, and if the devs' reasoning was that they wanted a single formation containing all of them for sake of conveniency

i see no issue

[wheat wadi]

Mhm

It was a consistent environment across all its range

With hardly any regional differences

Because it was a steppe

[rapid brook]

If I remember correctly it's been outright stated before that at least one of the mammoth variants in PK is directly based on the one found in germany?

[wheat wadi]

^

Specifically the Siegsdorf Bull

One of the largest Woolly Mammoths yet known

[lofty lintel]

Mammoth we have in game is Mammuthus primigenius which is native to modern Russia and North America.

[rapid brook]

And known from other parts of europe, including Norway

[lofty lintel]

Correct which is another species of Mammoth which is Mammuthus rumanus and not Mammuthus primigenius

[wheat wadi]

Mammuthus primigenius was found in Europe too

We literally have a fuckton of remains

[rapid brook]

This is mammoth bullcrap and you know it :L

[wheat wadi]

Cave paintings

Jewelery mimicking Mammoths

I literally just mentioned one of the confirmed largest specimens known lol

[rapid brook]

^

[wheat wadi]

A verifiable Woolly Mammoth

[lofty lintel]

Any links? Perhaps I am missing something.

[rapid brook]

But yes, if I remember right this is based on the german specimen

[lofty lintel]

Not trying to act like a smarty pants, but if we are to move the species move it to Alaska at least and not to Kazakhstan which it has nothing to do with the species that are native to there.

[rapid brook]

This is the Wrangel lad?

Eitherway from what I remember we have primigenius remains from Norway and the bottom of the North Sea, southwards to Germany and Ukraine, etc

[wheat wadi]

There’s also a lot of primigenius remains from Neumark Nord

Alongside Palaeoloxodon

And Britain of course

[lofty lintel]

But not in Kazakhstan...

Only remains of mammoth we have from Kazakhstan are Mammuthus meridionali.

[wheat wadi]

Kazakhstan directly constituted as a part of the Mammoth steppe environment during the last glacial
We do know Woolies were present in Mongolia and in the Altai range

Safe to assume they reached Kazakhstan as well

[lofty lintel]

There is nothing wrong with assuimg, but while there are official papers that the primigenius is native to far north why to even move it to central asia?

Just a herd migrating, or passing by does not make them native to that place.

[acoustic jetty]

Lol

[wheat wadi]

Again
It’s not native to the “far north”
The Mammoth Steppe was a wide spanning environment across a vast majority of Eurasia

It was only absent from southern Europe

Same goes for Woolly Rhinos

[rapid brook]

Overall far as we know and all

[wheat wadi]

We even have Woolly Rhino remains from Turkey to my knowledge

[rapid brook]

So yes it likely did range into Kazakhstan

[wheat wadi]

Elasmotherium is straight up known from the area

[lofty lintel]

I wish people would stop generalising all mammoths as one, The Mammoth Steppe had many different species passing/living, it was not only for Mammuthus primigenius.

[wheat wadi]

That’s blatantly incorrect

[rapid brook]

And yet the map I posted is specifically for Primi

[wheat wadi]

Woolly Mammoths directly displaced Steppe Mammoths

They are a direct continuation of them evolutionarily

Nearly all of the Steppe Mammoth range was covered by better adapted Woolly Mammoths after the interglacial ended

The southern Mammoth is a significantly earlier species that didn’t even reach the Eurasian steppes until later on and evolved into the Steppe Mammoth

Which in turn gave rise to both the Woolly Mammoth in Eurasia

And Columbian Mammoths in North America

[lofty lintel]

There are teeth and tusks of Mammoth remains in Turkmenistan too

[wheat wadi]

Yeah

[lofty lintel]

But does it mean they lived there? No. They were brought by merchants.

[lofty lintel]

laughed at this post tbh.

[rapid brook]

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-park-rod-arthur-smells-really-smells-stink-gif-26363692

What merchants? When?

[toxic fiber]

okay now the real question
who the hell reacted with the orc-looking emote

[rapid brook]

It really do be reading like a troll post :L

[lofty lintel]

Dude, to be frank, I am from Turkmenistan, and I do know the history of my lands, I studied the archeology. Mammoth tusks and tooth were brought in by the merchants to Alexandria of Central Asia to make decorations, and many were thrown.

The post and OP are trolling or idk but it does not mean that if you find some remains, tusk/tooth without finding anything else it is obvious that it is not native to there.

Not to mention that Turkmenistan is 80% desert

[waxen current]

When were France and Spain synonymous with the "far north"?

[uncut nova]

You do realize most places aren't deserts forever right?

Most modern deserts weren't deserts for at least part, if not most of the Pleistocene

[lofty lintel]

Again, depends on which species of Mammoth. Primigenius are indigenous to north.

[toxic fiber]

they spread west and south too

if the formation specifically has woolly mammoth, i don't get the issue

[waxen current]

Except primigenius fossils were found in southern France and southern Spain, and then there's the matter of cave paintings.

[toxic fiber]

woolly rhino made it to spain too

[waxen current]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0031018209001692

Padul is roughly 30km north of the Alboran Sea, which directly feeds into the Mediterranean.

[lofty lintel]

Exactly it was a sea, 30 millions years ago, but since then the it is just a desert

I remember digging up some fish, shark teeth and other things back when i was little

[lofty lintel]

That is good one, thanks will read it now.

[amber hearth]

sadly afaik they did not range in to Turkey

[rapid brook]

^

The Saharan desert is a prime example of this