Sonic Rumours & Speculation

[lost snow]

it has SatAM inspiration but with classic and Forces vibes... not sure I like that anymore

[opal mauve]

I like the hairstyle of Amy, good mix of old and new

[keen wren]

: o

[balmy fiber]

ew

[random portal]

I just hope its actually good and doesnt insult my time

[static elm]

Still think it should be an idw adaptation

The brand synergy and allat

[random portal]

i thought we want a good sonic show?

[lone lantern]

Agreed. What we REALLY need is the lore driven rendition of Sonic and friends, WHOSE WITH ME

[balmy fiber]

No i want something new that doesnt try to lazily tie itself as canon

[unique osprey]

It might be more vanilla but like I’m tired of gimmicks or caveats, just take the game universe and make a TV show out of it

there’s so much potential there

[open maple]

IDW series be like

[balmy fiber]

Prime was already insanely vanilla

They literally called green hill the only place and home that exists

[keen wren]

Im tired of gimmicks, but i understand who we are dealing with so i understand there will always be a gimmick

But im with you

[balmy fiber]

Yea i get gimmicks but honestly just dont do lazy alt dimensions like prime did

[unique osprey]

I mean vanilla in a good way

[balmy fiber]

I pray for it to be 2d

[unique osprey]

ideally we would see mainline canon locations that aren’t just green fucking hill

I think if there has to be a gimmick, tie it into the adventurer side of things

[balmy fiber]

Or just the same 5 characters with different hats

[unique osprey]

new macguffins with strange abilities!!! whoooo!!!!!

“we have to find them before Eggman does”

roll credits

[balmy fiber]

Like i accept that it will be a kids series

But also wish it was good kids series

Cuz it feels like most sonic shows just insult you a bit

[steep sequoia]

All I hope is not only the next one be good, but fun to watch

[keen wren]

Thats where im at

I understand these cartoons will exist to push toys. I just hope its fun

Sonic cartoons have a low batting average

Prime as unfocused as it is, is technically the best one

[steep sequoia]

Only one that stand out well to me is just sonic boom, but even that one I’m not going to rewatch

[left umbra]

IMDb really trying to be dumb tonight

[balmy fiber]

Why is there so many men

[static elm]

You like lost world you have no rights whatsoever to talk about something being good or not oomf

[random portal]

youre just a hater bro

[static elm]

[wind sparrow]

Isn’t the dude in hiding 😭

[azure trail]

what if rouge is a human now

Agent Rouge

[lone lantern]

I think they're aware that if they did that they'd be crucified

[random portal]

Wouldn’t be the first if they don’t gaf

[balmy fiber]

https://x.com/nef_216/status/1853449507217817785?s=46

Nefarious Boi (@Nef_216) on X

Since When?????

Twitter · Nov 4, 2024, 2:49 PM

What is the source of this

[random portal]

Apparently on Metacritic?

[steep sequoia]

[random portal]

Wow one episode season

[static elm]

That's too much

Should be zero

[balmy fiber]

Oh god are they gonna make a special

[static elm]

🥱

[balmy fiber]

Fuuuuck that

[static elm]

Idgasf

Like genuinely

I do not want to see any of these characters

Ever again

Even shadow

He was better in shg anyway 🥱

[steep sequoia]

Honestly? Same

SXSG changed my entire opinion over Shadow 💀

[balmy fiber]

If this rumor is just prime christmas episode

[wind sparrow]

What if that’s where the finale cliffhanger continues 😭

[static elm]

Killing myself

[random portal]

Don’t need all that

[static elm]

Hmmm

Debatable

it is sonic prime afterall

[olive vortex]

Ew sonic prime

[azure trail]

is the christmas special!!!

[balmy fiber]

If sonic prime is written by someone else has a totally different plot, direction, and is 2d ill be down for it

[azure trail]

Sonic Chrismtas Prime

[balmy fiber]

Sonic Christmas Prime Blast

[azure trail]

trueee

[balmy fiber]

That aosth episode was proabbly worst than anything else

[azure trail]

lool

[balmy fiber]

Why was sally there

[steep sequoia]

oh right that means more prime sonic controversary again

[azure trail]

sega america and europe were pushing sally a lot

[steep sequoia]

But if sonic 3 movie overshadows it no loss lmao

Wait not SEGA of Japan?

They don't have like any knowledge over Sally?

[azure trail]

I mean they do

but like

[olive vortex]

Ew Sally

[azure trail]

90s sonic management was different

[steep sequoia]

oh right. fair lmao

[olive vortex]

As much as I love for a 2D anime like show

We getting

Prime 2

[balmy fiber]

DiC multiverse

[olive vortex]

Isn’t 3D considered much cheaper to produce than 2D?

[azure trail]

lets not forget sonic cd US version changed Amy name to Sally

[random portal]

I’m praying that they learnt from the criticisms for Prime

[balmy fiber]

Yes it is

[olive vortex]

They didn’t imho 😭

[balmy fiber]

Dude id love if this waw completel6 different

[olive vortex]

That shit made Netflix and sega too much money

I’m surprised they ain’t doing a season 4 or whatever

[balmy fiber]

They are

1 episode

[olive vortex]

On IMDB?

I mean I usually don’t trust it when it comes to that 💀

[balmy fiber]

Metacritic

[random portal]

Metacritic can be changed by anyone from what I heard so ig it’s another IMDB thing

[balmy fiber]

Oh

Good

[olive vortex]

I already got my share of comedic sonic for shows

[azure trail]

if we get a 3d show again I would personally not mind if it looks like either of these 2

[olive vortex]

Think I need a shonen like story again

[steep sequoia]

Same

Helps that they don't overdo it with the expressions

Where looking back with prime it can look really off at times

[azure trail]

animaton wise prime is cool

but ig is not what the common fan is looking for

specially since other videogame shows are opting for 2d art

tomb raider for example

or heck devil may cry too

[left umbra]

Reminder that Metacritic is owned by Fandom now

[balmy fiber]

Next show better be 2d

[unique osprey]

ah that would explain it

[balmy fiber]

And serious

Sega has to understand what people want

[unique osprey]

I mean prime had plenty of serious moments

a show/piece of media being serious doesn’t automatically equal good at the end of the day

I saw people go “the next show better be rated TV-PG instead of TV-Y7” and I’m like, do people not actually know what these ratings actually mean

[open maple]

It needs to be entertaining and have a balance of what we, as fans, want with what casual audience want out of the franchise

Going of one extreme to the other won't do any favors

For that, I usually linger to a clone wars type of series

in it, you can do lighthearted stories as much as dark ones without them eating eachother

because they will be separate stories within a season

[random portal]

I think I’m just down for like a 12 episode series with a Friend of the Week being inspired by Sonic and leave it at that

[torn scarab]

ew is sonic prime getting a season 4

[random portal]

Actually it’s getting 10 more seasons

[balmy fiber]

Goddammit man

You know what i mean

We just had dark beginnings

And everyone who watched it was like i need a series like this

Dont go all "actually" on that lol

[open maple]

That kind of proves his point

it was 'darker' than the usual sonic stuff, but still had plenty of light hearted moments to balance it out

the very first scene of the entire thing is just Maria and Shadow talking about aurora borealis, for example

[static elm]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-the-mitten-ride-kiddie-ride-gif-27659789

[vale raft]

barely...

[balmy fiber]

It wasnt even close to being the same in many factors

[static elm]

It really doesn't

Prime has like what... one ? Maybe two serious moments ? And when i mean serious i mean not the ones that are just shrugged off mcu joke style

And like "plenty" ? Let's be for real here i mean come on

[static elm]

If you wanna go that route then you could say that mickey's house also had serious moments

Am i technically wrong ? No, absolutely not

What i wanna prove with this point is that the """serious""" moments in prime genuinely feel weightless because of the fact that the build up to them doesn't feel natural

[balmy fiber]

Countr argument for the sake of it
Not not even close, dark beginnings and prime are not even close and saying "but prime had those" is just missing the point

Yes, is the weight of it compared to dark beginnings

[static elm]

Wow did discord lagged ?

[balmy fiber]

Yes

[static elm]

Aight ye

[balmy fiber]

Dark Beginings is still a action kids shorts that would do some cool toys if they had more, but it was also quality

[quaint mountain]

If the new animated series rumor is true, for the love of holy, unholy and everything in-between, PLEASE have sauce

[static elm]

Anyway yes to go back to my point. Not only is the writing weak and therefore the build up always feels cheap. It also doesn't help that the music, the art direction, the art direction doesn't do a good job either

[balmy fiber]

Ig its time for anime esque sonic

[quaint mountain]

Yes!

[static elm]

I will always say that they need to do an idw adaptation for brand synergy but idk why they don't seem to care about idw so that'll never happen

Give it to science saru or mad house, put fucking yoasobi and make billions voilà

What's funny is that it would still cost less money than hiring the cheapest american studio out there because japan being japan the animators are paid peanuts

[opal mauve]

That would be great. I would like Back-On on the op tho

[static elm]

I'm just saying yoasobi cuz i want to maximize the cash

I do like what she does sometimes but she's not my fav

[opal mauve]

Same. She could do the ed I think

[static elm]

I and most people don't care about the ending tbh

Very rarely does the ending out numbers the op

So why would you waste yoasobi on an ending

[opal mauve]

Dunno, just because

Also last ending she did was a banger
https://youtu.be/Jj1_mfUzjOs?si=Kh1Zz8adBmLDFMOC

[steep sequoia]

I'd imagined for IDW adaptation they probablyy need good amount of team to capatalize it for a animated show

[unique osprey]

it’s not a “counter argument for the sake of it” dude I loved dark beginnings

that’s the whole reason I brought up prime, dark beginnings has weight and reason for its darker tone

one of those main reasons being focused on shadow

But that doesn’t automatically mean that a more light hearted series would be bad because being light hearted isn’t the problem, the problem is the poor execution

[balmy fiber]

Thats obvious though......

[unique osprey]

yeah so focus on that

[steep sequoia]

I will say Dark Beginning is at least an example that an animated sonic show can work and not just by tone

[open maple]

It had more than that just in season 1 alone

I know prime isnt the most liked show, and I adore Dark Beginnings as an audiovisual media, but neither serves to act like it did less than it actually did.

At the end, the point is not just that Dark Beginnings is better inherently speaking just because it is 'darker' than Prime. It is the proper balance of the elements utilized that brings the Best out of a premise.

Shadow 05 is more serious as well, and yet very few people can tell You it's story is good Even with the original language in mind.

[lost snow]

I'm scared to say that Prime might also be the most "in-canon" a Sonic show might ever be to the games universe. Because they usually tend to do their own thing, Prime did this too and with very basic and shallow ideas, but it was still under SEGA's rules, and trying to stay true to the universe and characters, although they ignored part of the guidelines too

[open maple]

It is between that and X for me but both go into very bad holes if we take the canon in mind so pick your poison moment

[lost snow]

with Boom the show, I admired the creativity in slice of life plots, which seemed almost fan fictiony, but I wish more Sonic shows had that kind of freedom too, like, they could make episodes about any sort of plot

I just wish the show wasn't part of a reboot plan and low budget

[open maple]

For example, ever since episode 1 of X Sonic & co. Know about Chaos Control which misses the point of that technique's initial appearance in sa2

[steep sequoia]

As much I am not a of how prime is handled, I do appreciate it is being it's own thing

[lost snow]

X handled the "filler plots" very well imo, it's close to what I would do personally

with sagas and fun episodes

[open maple]

Some were better than others for me, that is for sure

[lost snow]

I liked both the haunted mansion and the cruise episodes for example

the premise on the cruise one is quite boring but I remember it was fun

[open maple]

The first one is the one where the sa2 ghosts appear, right?

[lost snow]

yes

[open maple]

It's very fun by making Sonic be OOC

(the episode is aware of it, Amy points it out lmao)

[lost snow]

it was fun, although the ghosts ep is also Chris focused (and Amy)

[open maple]

The only problem that I have is that the police got reports of strange incidents and did not do anything to close the place which is a huge plothole

[lost snow]

because it was abandoned I think, they only got in it to shoot a movie iirc

[open maple]

No, in the episode they state that they had gotten reports of people missing

In that place

[lost snow]

uhm okay

[open maple]

For a lot of time, which is like 'then why don't You close it if it is dangerous?'

Yugioh gx handled a similar premise in season 1, but it makes sure to actually have the instalation closed

[lost snow]

they don't close it at the end of the episode either right?

[open maple]

Nop

They just leave

[lost snow]

they just fix the symbol trapping the ghosts

[open maple]

Mhm

Very good episode

I like it a Lot but that was a very free plot hole

Lol

[lost snow]

Oh I forgot I came here to say that the whole metacritic Prime season 4 thing, since it is 1 episode it could either be fake or just a special episode, isolated episode since they released 23 episodes, the series order was 24

Although the pilot ep was double lenght

So who knows

[lost snow]

new Daniel RPK rumors for the movies:
||Shadow will have a movie only if Movie 3 is a hit||
||They have big plans for Silver||
My thoughts: ||at this point Silver will have to get in line with Amy and the Chaotix and whoever else is coming... eventually, just how many projects do they have in mind assuming this is legit?||

[left umbra]

Why did you have to invoke that name here?

[lost snow]

I'm not saying he's legit, I'm saying I like speculation

[unique osprey]

first point: yeah no shit sherlock
second point: why_the_fuck_you_lying.mp4

I don’t think he even knows who Silver is

[lost snow]

I feel like they are throwing too many names at this point

he mentioned wanting Black Doom to be Shadow's villain in his movie/series, so I'm assuming he did research?

[balmy fiber]

"Hmmm what could be relevant to sonic fans at the moment to use"

[static elm]

Let me guess

Shadow series

And new huge characters in the series or movie 4

Am i wrong ?

[wind sparrow]

It’s no use Plug

This guy will make anything up for clicks

[azure trail]

Silver comin

[random portal]

Year of Chaotix first, then Year of Silver

[torn scarab]

No year of silver first

[azure trail]

honestly

idk why y'all get crazy when pointing silver for movie 😭

do you guys hate him that much

[steep sequoia]

I’m just not fond of the idea going from shadow to silver

Plus I rather have either Amy or chaotix next

[random portal]

Amy can only really be a supporting character, shes not really big enough to be huge marketing push for a character

i think the stars are alligned well enough for a big chaotix push next year tho

[steep sequoia]

Obviously yeah. I just feel like it’s just too much having silver next where we literally have shadow

Is all I’m saying

[random portal]

i mean after team sonic and shadow, theres only so many characters that you can pull from the games to be big names for a cinematic universe. chaos could def be a villain worth building up to.

[steep sequoia]

Easily yeah. Chaos is the perfect next step if not wanting to do a repeat

It’ll at least be a very good change of pace without feeling redundant

[random portal]

id find it difficult to see blaze appear in the movies. to have a princess with her own set of emeralds from a different dimension, thats gonna be a lot for general audiences to take in.

[steep sequoia]

Yeah blaze is…. A very tricky spot

[random portal]

i think at some point, paramount are just going to start making their own characters

[steep sequoia]

Yeah

[random portal]

bring in rava

[steep sequoia]

Altho I would love to see paramount having their own take on sonic ocs like longclaw again

[random portal]

we know at least mason will come back cause of kid cudi saying so

[left umbra]

What would Paramount’s take be of Coldsteel? /j

[random portal]

oh BROOOOTHER

[steep sequoia]

💀

Not something like that man lmao

But yeah outside of silver, I’m still interested what next direction they’ll go for

They have a lot more room to pull off

[open maple]

truth be told, I think you can include Blaze if you say she is from another planet

[random portal]

maaan the more i think about flosshog expanding its universe, the more i hate it. can we just get self contained movies that are more game centric now.

[open maple]

rather than dimension

[random portal]

yeah thas fair

the warp rings is an easy enough fix to make that work well enough

[steep sequoia]

Actually yeah that is true

They can get away with that

[open maple]

you keep the things simple and just let the natural rules that were already established work their way with her

just another planet that has a new set of emeralds

which so happen to end in earth due to some thief trying to take them away or something

[random portal]

idk rush's storyline has the initial stakes of the chaos and sol emeralds not supposed to exist at the same dimension that could cause world annihilation or some shit

so not sure how you can make adjustments to add stakes to blaze's story in the movies

[open maple]

I mean, you can say that the sol emeralds make blaze's world be attracted to earth because the chaos emeralds are there

so if she doesn't return to her planet with them at a certain time, both planets will collide and destroy eachother

[random portal]

ehhh ig that can work

[open maple]

plus that can be represented visually in easier ways

with just making that planet approach with some time counter

or, this is merely a take of mine

is that Blaze 'estabilizes' the sol emerald of releasing their power

and without her regulating their power

they begin to accumulate power and increase their heat radious

if she doesn't get them at time, the planet will become a sun soon enough

[lone lantern]

I do appreciate that the films do have to answer the questions of a continuous narrative that isn't stuck to a status quo, as we keep pushing.

Like yeah.
Eggman isn't/can't be the villain every time. The chaos emeralds can't be the answer to nearly every problem we face. Every big event/action has effects for the future (san Francisco making G.U.N resurface, the EMP blast sonic made, etc.)

[random portal]

that emp blast should have had consequences like damn only just power went out? what about hospital equipment failing?

sonic killed people because he felt lonely

kill his ass

[open maple]

I mean

the whole point of hunting him down in the first movie was because it was a national emergency

even considered a terrorist attack so

[lone lantern]

Jimbotnik, is that you?

[open maple]

that eggman hunts sonic down in the first movie is a consequence of Sonic's EMP

[random portal]

im not an antivaxxer so no im not him

[lone lantern]

Man roll with the damn bit /j

[random portal]

roll? we havent been rolling for years

its all about the boost baby

[lone lantern]

But in terms of Blaze, I think she has potential in simply the fact she's an female character that can match against sonic as an antagonist or initial rival.

Like that's an internal studio pull for an concept/marketing perspective as is.

On top of the fact that she's cool as shit.

But I know for a fact that Zendaya's name would be thrown around in the casting brainstorm.
It's gutteral.

[random portal]

could zendaya work as blaze? idk, im thinking someone like scarjo could be a better fit but thas just me

[lone lantern]

Depends on who you ask, but me personally I'm not feining for it.

Most of the time I see fans pitch her, it's because they want it to match with their Tom Holland as silver pitch.

[torn scarab]

Raava?

[random portal]

silvaze never ends

[lone lantern]

Lizard guy

Right? I forgot

[torn scarab]

oh ok I thought he was talking about TLOK I might be terminally stupid

[random portal]

why would i talk about korra when were talking about the sonic movies be frrrr

[torn scarab]

Because my mind is an enigma that even I cannot comprehend

[random portal]

OH BROOOOOOTHER THIS GUYS STINKS

[lone lantern]

Also, around Knuckles premiere. Toby Ascher essentially said that each sonic project will be a different tone/at least some go at a different genre, and sonic 3 seems to continue that after 2's Indiana Jones type adventure thing.

What do yall think could be next come the next film or project?

[random portal]

if they do something with the chaotix, i can see it be like a noir style with a comical flair

[open maple]

That's a hard one cause they can technically take anything

first one was a road trip movie
second movie was Indiana jones
knuckles series was a dodgeball kind of comedy
third movie seems more avengers type movie

Even a musical movie isn't off of the table at this point

[random portal]

idk howd you make a silver centric movie unique in style or a massive global threat like chaos

[lone lantern]

I need my 'apocalypse now' Angel Island centric sonic movie.

[open maple]

I can imagine something like channel chasers working for Silver

it's more character focused rather than action packed

[lone lantern]

The creative team trying to conjure an idea for Amy spinoff material come 2039:

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[open maple]

Blaze could take of medieval movies

like Van Helsing and such

for their tone

grittier in a sense

[lone lantern]

You could say that..

The possibilities are..endless, even?

[random portal]

it'll never be as good as the musical numbers of boom. heck not even underground. they'll just use the most overplayed pop song and call it a day.

damn im not just on a idw hate grind, im also on the flosshog hate grind. maybe i just hate western sonic media

[open maple]

i dunno, the flames of disaster clears everything regarding those lists

[random portal]

facebook marketplace namedrop kills a lot of points

[lone lantern]

Also, as much as I commend the producers on wanting to keep their cards close to the live action medium with their take on the franchise.

Someone is gonna have to swallow their pride, and give in to an fully animated project. Be it some..2d flash animated mini series, or something.

You wanna survive, you gotta stretch your legs out in different mediums, because everything can't be the exact same.

[open maple]

The puppets nullify those points down.

[random portal]

one second of actual funny in the knux show over the several minutes of funny boom has. flosshog aint beating my allegations

[open maple]

yeah I think they will have to go to do animated movies at some point

to facilitate certain things

be either 2d or 3d

[lone lantern]

But if they don't want to, find a really happy medium with the live action and I really think that having some event where mobians integrate or are transported to earth could really mix it up a bit.

[random portal]

or maybe burn it all to the ground and make actual good movies

[lone lantern]

HATER. HATER ALERT

[open maple]

Reverse Archie

kinda

[lone lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/yungviral-gif-9161967965362335111

[random portal]

LOUD AND PROUD

[lone lantern]

Get your detective pikachu scenery bag if you will.

[random portal]

detective pikachu aint a perfect movie but goddamn i was more invested in that world than mfing green hills montana are u kidding me

[open maple]

If they do Cream

I would like a dora the explorer parody

it would be funny

[lone lantern]

They do have the rights so

[open maple]

Dora the explorer parody with the muppets kinda comedy

and general awareness

[lone lantern]

Also, I remember some fans losing their shit over Pat Casey saying Amy would be a bad ass during an..2022 fan screening q&A of movie 2.

In reference to her skill with the hammer, not personality.

[open maple]

9/11 for people who are fans of Amy and lacked context

[lone lantern]

Cause in that same Q&A, he said that she'd retain her love for sonic if she came to show eventually.

[random portal]

too bad they will never use her

[open maple]

never say never

in this era, anything can happen

[random portal]

im ashamed about a lot of things but hating idw, prime and the movies will be never one of them

[open maple]

I wonder how they are gonna adapt her, because Im sure they want to add her given the right circumstances

[lone lantern]

All depends on her reason for being there I suppose.

I doubt that they'd have her show just to he kidnapped by metal sonic for the sake of "MmM..Le Accuracy" to sonic CD or something.

[open maple]

That would be lame. Like in CD, it was just an excuse to engage with the game after the second level

[lone lantern]

Provably tarot cards telling her some BS Is going down, and reaches out to sonic & co. Who are destined to take down some threat

[unique osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/getdieriot-gif-23926170

[open maple]

funny enough, that's how she appeared in CD

even in the JP manuals, she used the tarot cards to reach the never lake

[random portal]

empty threats mean nothing to me peasant

[unique osprey]

no christmas presents for you

[random portal]

i dont even celebrate christmas u KNOB

my birthday is four days after

[unique osprey]

no birthday presents for you

im stealing them

[lone lantern]

In terms of her character in the films, I pitched that her little flaw/or start of growth is maybe her problem was that she was the opposite of movie sonic's initial problem in movie 1.

She was so clingy/wanted connections that she tends to push people away or inadvertently have people not wanna be friends with her or something.

[random portal]

u aint stealing shit cause no one gives me gifts

[open maple]

That would be an interesting premise

[random portal]

id be lucky if i got coal

[unique osprey]

ill take your oxygen instead then 🙏

[random portal]

damn good luck

bro thinks hes zaheer

[lone lantern]

And somewhat Meta.
(Flashbacks fo the 2000's fandom)

[open maple]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-9720754212148670994

[open maple]

I can imagine her trying to 'force' herself to be friends with Sonic & co because she knew that Knuckles befriended him, but that's not exactly how it works and needs to kick it down a notch

[lone lantern]

Also, I don't think people have to worry about amy being this "girl boss" so many people fear.

Girly characters still do persist in cinema. It's rare to see them kick ass in the same breathe yes, but those characters do exist today, and Amy can fit right in lol

[open maple]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mitchells-vs-the-machines-katie-mitchell-confident-liar-gif-21445890

[lone lantern]

I know it was mainly Peach in the mario movie that got some concerned though.

[open maple]

(I refer to the character, the frame was just a coincidence)

[lone lantern]

Fuck the mario movie in general made sonic movie 3 speculation a very..
Muddy time.

Mostly for people that saw it and didn't really garner the post hype.

[open maple]

I personally prefer Sonic movies over the mario movie

like even my family who isn't that into sonic felt very disconnected from the Mario one

Like they're more concise as narratives which makes me appreciate them more

[unique osprey]

i just realized i am TERRIFIED that grifters are gonna latch onto this movie, especially after the gens incident

[open maple]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-spongebob-worried-oh-neptune-mrs-pops-gif-5619861

That will be the biggest hell imaginable

[random portal]

I’m gonna grift

[lone lantern]

Only thing that I can really only see them latching onto as a stretch is them making a fuss over the film "making the government look bad" or some shit.

Cause the gens drama really on started at Amy's dialogue/animation changes and Rouges tweaked cleavage.

[unique osprey]

im moreso worried about the opposite effect

them gassing it up because characters like amy missed this one

[open maple]

the harley quinn vs sonic movie 1 incident was funny

I am looking forward to 3

[azure trail]

https://tenor.com/view/silver-the-hedgehog-psychic-power-energy-mind-gif-5117474

[lost snow]

If Sonic 3 is a big climax for the story, they should NOT follow with a bigger climax immediately like having Silver and the future

they should do something more fun and different

I'm here for Amy and new villains

Silver has a lot of potential but will come later

plus the thing that makes me doubt Daniel RPK is saying correct information is... he and other leakers are throwing out too many names now

Amy I can get, it's easy to guess

Silver? Also easy to guess but not now

The Chaotix??? That's 3 characters to animate, where do they get all this money

[azure trail]

Idk man

These seem pretty specific

I know when it comes to sonic this guy hasn't gotten stuff right but

Silver and chaotix doesn't seem crazy to me

Maybe it is because most of you are seeing it as a fan, cuz most wanna see Amy and such but like. Maybe the chaotix is a weird choice cuz they are very unknown but if they still wanna get people a little hooked for at least one or two more movies silver doesn't seem crazy

Specially if you make a 3 hedgehog thing like if it were some kind of Iron Man Thor and Captain America

Plus the merchandise

the concept of the character and such, you can do a lot with time travel and so, heck you could make silver be some kind of Dr strange if you want for the movies

The only argument I see is the "it's too soon" there is no too soon or too early in this fellas, they gotta hold the momentum in some way until it stops making money

[steep sequoia]

real talk I would have been more excited over Mario Movie if it isn't Illumination

Their animation is great but god.... their writing is just so uninteresting

Did not like how they handled the mario cast at all outside of DK

[keen wren]

I think theres little to worry about

While the sonic fanbase isnt perfect theres a lot less to hold on to. I dont think theres enough in there to create a "mlp nazi" situation. Let the grifters attempt their grift they will quickly move on to something else

As for silver

• silver taking undeserved precedent over women. Its a day that ends in y

• i dont think sikver is the guy or interesting to general audiences but hey it either prove that im wrong or prove that im right in ways inarguable

[tardy pivot]

Agree with the first one but the second one, I'm calling bs on.

If the MCU made us care about what once were nobody b list characters and turn them into household names? Surely Silvers no problem

[urban scroll]

Yeah they can make almost any character resonate if they do it right

Literally no one in the general public knew who Guardians of the Galaxy or Peacemaker were and now they're household names

[balmy fiber]

Yea i dont get why we do fall on the idea that "silver is not strong of a character"
They can make him so

[steep sequoia]

Yeah any sonic chars nowadays can show that treatment really

[keen wren]

I dont belive silver falls into that catagory

[keen wren]

I dont belive they can

Some characters are just lame. Not to be rude. But sonic characters arent the first characters to exist in media ever. There are plenty of lame characters that dont get over

And i am in the firm belief silver is one of them he has been carried for 20 years by his association with better characters and has never been able to stand on his own

His carrer built from internal biases and sexism. I dont believe that when you put him on the main stage hes magically gonna become something he failed to be for almost two decades

[keen wren]

Do they?

We just had one fail earlier this year

[urban scroll]

Ok

[steep sequoia]

They aren't like Shadow obv, but they can still the show the spotlight which is something to reconsider

[keen wren]

Sure, i agree. I think more characters should have the spot light some of those include newer comic folks

[steep sequoia]

basically yeah. It just comes down over how to really push them

[keen wren]

That i dont agree with. Not everyone you push is gonna resonate. We have seen silver pushed for 20 years. To the detriment of some characters.

I think silver is fine the way he is and trying to push him again is only going to repeat the issues he had before. Especially on such a big stage.

But maybe im wrong maybe theres a bunch of secret silver heads ready to prove that im silly. Ive just yet to see that happen with him

[balmy fiber]

"Some characters are just lame"

Silver, a hedgehog from the future with psychokenisis totally has no cool factor to be used

[keen wren]

Yes, many such cases! It happens quite often!

[balmy fiber]

?

[ancient moss]

"We have seen silver pushed for 20 years" outside of comics or spinoffs last time he showed up was in forces to get his ass beat, and before that it was gens, what 😭

[urban scroll]

I don't see how they've been trying to push him specifically when it's only been his debut game, a few handhelds not many people played, and a few minor roles in ensemble stories

And yeah the comics that not many people outside of Sonic fans read

[ancient moss]

if anything they have not been pushing silver nearly enough compared to how much parts of the fanbase like him

he has been as minor of a character as like, charmy

[random portal]

Yeah idk Silver isn’t lame, I’d say he’s used in lame ways for the most part but that can easily be remedied.

[ancient moss]

i think the issue isnt really that hes used in lame ways, as much as he has not been a part of a main story since rivals 2 😭

[keen wren]

A character is more than its parts, its how they come together. And i dont think silver ever did.

Shadow isnt cool because of bullet points, hes cooo because those bullet points coalesce into a greater whole.

Same with sonic, knuckles lets go beyond sonic right? Dc's doing a crossover. Superman isn't cool just because he has those powers otherwise every superman clone ( dc didn't sue into oblivion) would have taken off. Hes cool because hes superman

Silver imo is a bullet point character that never coalesced. Hes terios to me. Vauge ideas of copied coolness on paper but thats it.

But again im one guy. I hope they prove me wrong. I would like this character to come out of left field and show his potential was real. Im down. I dont think i hate any sonic character except like i dunno the weird archie ones.

But i look at silver and i just dont see it

[ancient moss]

literally only 06 and the rivals games are ones where he has any major part in the story

[keen wren]

I think hes really lame actually
Hes the personification of mr.mee too

[ancient moss]

personification of what

[random portal]

Well I think you’re wrong

[urban scroll]

What does that even mean

[balmy fiber]

Also excuse me what

[tardy pivot]

What makes him any different?

[balmy fiber]

What about sexism

[keen wren]

Succinctly, his entire creation is reference not reinterpretation.

He is his inspiration and connections, rather than silver

"Hey look at this character hes like x"

[random portal]

Trunks is an inspiration for Silver but last I recall, Trunks don’t got psychic powers

[ancient moss]

i mean i haven't seen more than random episodes of DBZ so i really dont know anything about trunks, but like, from the little i do know, silver and his story does have a good amount of stuff that is not at all present in trunks?

[tardy pivot]

If anything that's kind of a plus for them. They have a baseline and they can go about this however the hell they want to

[urban scroll]

Aside from being hopeful and from the future, they aren't similar in the slightest

Like even though he was one of the main inspirations for the character, that doesn't mean people are just going to be like, "oh he's like this other character" which happens with the other characters too

The problem with the character is that he keeps being included in bad stories

And that's not even the problem with the character itself

[keen wren]

Sonic team historically has operated with internal biases, i call it sexism you can call it whatever you want. But the result is there preference for guy characters . Theres a reason a lions share of the female character that have been created seem to have happened recently with other people have gotten the opportunity to create characters.

Silver is a character who has directky benefited from that. Silver no games, no bs. Debuted in the most hated, infamous game in the series. In that game blaze a character who had pre established history and backstory was made to be effectively his side kick. That game was a monumental failure. And instead of tearing those two apart , the connection was continues and blaze appears less than he does despite Silver for all intents and purposes being a failed character. Simply because hes a boy. He gets to siphen popularity or any sense or noteroriety off other characters despite being a failure because hes a boy and gets to be "cool" ladies more successful lady characters do not get these opportunities nor do they have the ability to fail as spectacularly as he did. For example sticks, whos yet to show up actually.

[tardy pivot]

I think the other problem is that he's often involved in time travel stories, and he always serves the exact same function

Time travel is a tricky one for writers and sonic team is no stranger to fucking things up there

[keen wren]

No he doesnt. And some how hes cooler.

Hes not bullet points he's the drink. And silver isnt liquidity

[ancient moss]

i mean i think blaze having a more minor role in 06 was pretty obviously just bc she wasn't the newly introduced character, and didnt have the motion of sonic or shadow, as opposed to sonic team believing silver needs to be more important bc he's a guy.

[urban scroll]

Sticks, a character from an entirely different part of the franchise

[tardy pivot]

Honestly blaze was probably shoved in at the last minute I'd imagine

[keen wren]

I dont think her having a minor role in 06 is the issue. Its how shes treated after and i think that 100% reflects a bias towards male characters one they have historically in general.

[tardy pivot]

I get that right now the movie universe feels like one big boys club and that's not a great thing but its definitely not gonna stay that way forever. And that's no reason for them to never introduce someone like silver. If anything they could always just save him for later

[keen wren]

Silver from a game that was so bad it retconned itself from existance, and changed the entire tone and development structure of sonic games and narratives.

Sticks is canon to the main universe and has yet to show up, that comparison holds no water

[steep sequoia]

To me it's why I feel like they should introduce Amy next while building things up over a major villain later on

[keen wren]

Im not saying never

[ancient moss]

i mean after 06 blaze was playable in rush adventure which flopped hard, and i think the decision from there on was moreso not to make a new rush game, which made blaze less likely to be playable in stuff, as opposed to an executive decision to make blaze show up less

[keen wren]

I want big to show up and hes way less important

But over amy and rouge, over the chatix, over pre establisged rogues lore even over blaze?

This failed marketing stunt character? Seems wild to me

He been sold on "hes supposed to be the 3rd chosen one" and aint live up to it yet

Omega work with less and hes a joy every time he shows up

[steep sequoia]

Omega's case is at least self explantory, but again more so whenever E series shows up

[urban scroll]

Sticks is from an entire marketing push that ended up making Sega lose more money than it was worth, the entire Boom line was basically erased except for the slight chance of her being canon

[keen wren]

You have described 06. Also she is canon, they don't use her. Which seens crazy to me because again more people fondky remember boom than 06

[steep sequoia]

But to me when it comes to Silver, I feel like he should be saved later where it's just too soon for him to just introduce literally after Shadow.
I feel like instead they should focus more so on expand the cast instead of suddenly bringing Silver

[keen wren]

Boom had an entire successful ( even if i think its bad) tv show that people loved. 06 just lost them money

[urban scroll]

What success

[steep sequoia]

Boom
Success

[keen wren]

People watched boom it got pretty good ratings at the time. A million per episode

[steep sequoia]

Yeah no lmao

Sonic Boom got fucked royally hard

[keen wren]

You saying yeah no, but the boom tv show was successful objectively

[steep sequoia]

Not only with TTGO existing but also being moved into Boomerang in saturday morning

[urban scroll]

Not enough to keep it on the main CN channel
It got pushed to Boomerang after the first season

[steep sequoia]

It was a miracle it even gotten a season 2

But after that? It got screwed

Village I literally watched CN

[keen wren]

Merger shit not their fault

[steep sequoia]

I already knew how hard it got fucked

Also many shows tends to be "successful" in season 1

[keen wren]

Pre zaslav zaslav shit

[urban scroll]

Ok

[steep sequoia]

Nope

[urban scroll]

What does that change

[steep sequoia]

Even pre is still like this

[keen wren]

The context

It changes the context

[urban scroll]

And what about the result

[ancient moss]

also i just want to address "other people have gotten the opportunity to create characters" being a reason for more female sonic characters being really silly imo, bc basically all recent female sonic characters were designed by sonic character designers that have been around since the 90s?

sticks and ariem were created by uekawa, trip by ohshima

we don't know who designed sage but i would not be suprised if its someone who has been around for a while too

[keen wren]

In the kindest way possible.

The result was a cartoon while still successful was moved for the purposes of making the network look better for the incoming (cataclysmically bad) merger.

It changes the context

Try again

Read

[tardy pivot]

Didn't that success only last like...one season?

[urban scroll]

Yes it did

[steep sequoia]

Shows tends to be success enough for like one season

[tardy pivot]

Pretty sure the viewer ratings got super low for season 2

[steep sequoia]

But however it still comes down where it keep getting succesed in season 2

[keen wren]

I said the show was successful

I did not speak for the games

[steep sequoia]

sonic boom season 2? It's a failure

[ancient moss]

even if the cartoon was forced to fail unfairly, i think you can't really deny how terrible everything around it also did

[urban scroll]

Charming

[tardy pivot]

In this (primarily) game franchise

[random portal]

The ratings were as low as they were because a lot less people have Boomerang so CN basically sent it out back ol yeller style

[ancient moss]

like, there is absolutely 0 doubt that boom was considered a financial failure by every party involved lol

[urban scroll]

Crazy huh

[keen wren]

Sure. All im saying is boom offered some measure of success for them where as 06 offered them none and was so bad their output changed

Is that not what occurred?

[random portal]

06 at least sold a million copies

[steep sequoia]

06 is a failure by the reception, but sales wise it isn't

[ancient moss]

rivals also sold fairly well and was pretty well recieved at the time i believe

[steep sequoia]

Boom however is a failure by both aspect

[urban scroll]

Sonic Team is still around tho

[keen wren]

No by that measure too

[ancient moss]

at least enough to prompt a sequel

[steep sequoia]

uh huh

[keen wren]

06's meme game tail is long behind it. At the time it only sold around a million

[urban scroll]

If Boom offered any sort of success, it would've been around longer than 3 years

[keen wren]

Fun fact so did generations originally

Didnt do well

Sonic games generally do 2-3

[urban scroll]

I've literally never heard anyone say "Boom offered them some success"

[ancient moss]

im sure some of the toys did decent ig 😭

but also literally just bc they were making almost exclusively boom merch over normal sonic merch in that time period

[random portal]

Boom bombed so hard that SEGA America had to downsize and move to a smaller building

[keen wren]

Sonic team didnt like it. The rest of the brand collapsed and they say no need to continue to show in isolation as it woukd run counter to what the brand was

[urban scroll]

But hey, context

[keen wren]

You have described 06

[steep sequoia]

Won't be surprise if localization is also affected too

[keen wren]

Same context as 06

Crazy

[urban scroll]

No cuz Sonic Team is still around

[keen wren]

They are still around

They werent created to do one thing

Sonic team has other functions

They are still around

[ancient moss]

yeah but i think the main point is that despite being a critical failure the short-term financial ramifications of 06 that impacted the decisions being made following its release, were significantly less harmful than the boom brand

[keen wren]

Did you know sonic team is responsible for what is essentially the entire online infestructure for console online rpg's. They dont just make sonic games they are a world renown studio that does many things. Yes they are still around

This also mentioning the structure in western companies and branches lends itself to team dissolution. Tekken's harada has tweets about this in reference to soul calibur

[ancient moss]

??

[quaint mountain]

PSO1

[north vault]

my two cents: silver's in an awkward spot cos like so much of the sonic cast he falls in the "character gets introduced in a game as a rival/third party, has their arc of becoming sonic's mate then sorta just turns up in the background from there on out" bracket, but unlike everyone else his origin arc gets retconned by his own dogshit first game

...and then his second chance for a fresh start was Rivals on the PSP lol 😭

[keen wren]

A studio who made one game and failed may have less longevity than one who made pso1

[random portal]

Pretty much 06 was a hit on the reputation but Boom also affected the financial aspect as well. Wild how budgeted Sonic games were after Boom. Unleashed came out after 06 and I’m pretty sure that game didn’t have a small budget at all and was a success financially as well

[keen wren]

No shit

[quaint mountain]

but also I'm missing a convo, what's that got to do with anything?

[urban scroll]

So it's less valuable then

[north vault]

he's def got potential and I think they could def go indepth on him a bit more, but if they do I don't want it to be 06 again - he barely gets a background other than "my future is fucked I gotta go back and fix it" despite us not really seeing anything of what his future was, I want more of that instead of just crisis city

[urban scroll]

The branch that made a marketing push with 3 bad games and a mediocre tv show that started losing viewership after the first season is seen as less valuable than an entire internal studio

[keen wren]

The studio to the corperation? Yeah.

You are trying to do a thing and its not working.

You are saying things that are normal in plain english as gotchas and no thats how buisness works. New tact please. Just a suggestion

[north vault]

(esp since they keep doing the same schtick for him nearly every time he turns up lol, I think the most we've seen of his good future is one panel in IDW??)

[random portal]

Yeah a Silver focused game has got to properly show us the timeline he’s in. IDW teased it a lil bit that’s all it can do since that’s the games’ job to really define it

[open maple]

Even with that in mind, I find that Silver wasn't attractive enough in 06 because of how to the point and directly he is played out

Compared to Shadow in sa2 where his motives and backstory are given in small bits across the story which makes it far more engaging

[urban scroll]

You can try not being as much as a dickhead as you're trying to be

[north vault]

I wouldn't even call it a "timeline" thing tbh, moreso stakes and background

[wind frigate]

why do you talk like this

[north vault]

if your future is always on fire I don't think its the past you're trying to intervene in thats causing the issues silver my guy, did you elect Reagan 2 or something

[urban scroll]

Your entire point is that a single game caused them as much damage or more than a literal marketing push that they poured millions of dollars into

[keen wren]

Im trying to to your point. Because everything you brought up can describe 06. But 06 offered them no other outsude successes it was just a failure. Yet silver sees continued useand preference over other characters. Despite his failure to resonate being one of the contributions to its failure.

And i think that makes his presence in the series feel unearned lame

Thats my entire point

[urban scroll]

No it literally doesn't
Right after 06, they put out Unleashed, which was arguably their biggest budgeted game to release, then their two highest regarded games at the time
There hasn't been anything after Rise of Lyric that has been beneficial to Sega in the slightest besides a tv show that was coming with middling returns and a few toys

[random portal]

And to even put Secret Rings as the game immediately after 06, it had comparatively better reception than 06 and was a modest success

[keen wren]

One, im talking about in relation to 06. Like the cartoon is in relation to the boom brand. But two.

Unleashed, you mean that thing that didnt do very well that resulted in lower budgeted games for a long period of time and isnt being ported/remastered.

[random portal]

It was successful enough that it got a follow up with Black Knight… which bombed

[urban scroll]

I'm done talking about this, I'm not gonna talk to someone who decides the best way to interact with someone in a discussion is condescending passive aggressiveness

[random portal]

Damn just like the Rush series

[keen wren]

In the kindest way possible i am responding to the energy given to me

[urban scroll]

I've not told you to change your tact or to read

"Try again"

Ok

[north vault]

tbf there's a non-zero chance the age rating stuff helped with that death knell lol

[urban scroll]

"Read"
Ok

"Just a suggestion"
Ok

[north vault]

one aussie was all it took to kill portable sonic games, rip in peace

[lost plume]

Damn Australians

[random portal]

Damn I just thought the novelty of a Sonic game on DS quickly died

[urban scroll]

"In the kindest way possible"
Ok

[north vault]

nah they literally put out a game the target audience of kids couldn't play cos of the age rating being a 12 lol

all because of the word Bugger

[keen wren]

But you have framed your arguments in a condescending " commen sense let me lead you to point b" manner as if i do not understand what im talking about.

Thats why i said change tact. How you were speaking read condescending and wasnt actually relevant or relevatory.

I quite litterally wanted you to change tact because it came off rude and i dont think it was helping you. Maybe i should have been more direct about that. My apologies.

But again, in these conversations all i do is respond to the energy given

[north vault]

(they re-released it without the word bugger and it immediately dropped to an E for everyone lmao)

[random portal]

Thas crazy cause Shadow was a success financially and pretty sure that must’ve gotten a high age rating as well?

[urban scroll]

Show me where I was acting rude

[north vault]

different audiences for different consoles/sub-series

[urban scroll]

Was it the "ok" that offended you?

I'm sorry if that's the case then?

[north vault]

(also didn't help the original rush was E for everyone from the getgo, sets expectations)

[urban scroll]

If that's enough to have you tell me to "read" and "try again" and do a shit job a sugarcoating with the typical "in the kindest way possible" then I don't know what to tell you

[random portal]

Damn crazy one word was all it took to make Rush Adventure bomb

[north vault]

its so funny you can essentially trace the downfall of portable sonic games to that

craziest domino effect

[lost plume]

Didn't something similar happen with Mario Party because Kamek said like spaz or something

[wind frigate]

wait really

[north vault]

wouldn't surprise me, happened a ton with transformers too

[wind frigate]

oh 💀

[urban scroll]

I'm surprised they cared

[wind frigate]

if only they cared enough to make the game good,,

[urban scroll]

Um...

It was good

[north vault]

if I had a dollar etc etc

[wind frigate]

i do not care for mario party 8

[urban scroll]

How can you even say that

[keen wren]

This, is what im referring to.

These extremly short responses that are suppsed some lack of understanding that would be proven untrue. If you read what what i was saying. At least thats how it came off to me. I didnt seem like you were reading. It was like you honed in on specific bits of information instead of engaging with my point. I took the the time to write it out. It came off rude to me.

Which is when i respond with "read" because i wanted you to , well read instead of these short dismissive responses.

That said, i did say try again. I see that. That was ride my end, thats my fault i apologize. I responded entirely too sassily, thats my bad.

[quaint mountain]

bro I just read this - I feel like resetera brainrot is kicking in, it's really not that deep

[random portal]

I recall Shadow say slag in TSR

[wind frigate]

i think 80% of our problems will be solved if we stopped talking about sonic like pretentious video essay youtubers

[urban scroll]

Exactly

But whatever

I want to move on

[north vault]

shadow calling vanilla a slag and experiencing death for the second time

[static elm]

https://tenor.com/view/fresh-prince-we-will-smith-theres-no-we-shocked-gif-17214689

Anywa that's for my only thing to say

[keen wren]

You are right, it isnt that serious. Nothing i said is serious.

We live in a sexist world, the media that tends to be created in it often reflects that. Sonic does. Silver benifits from it.

Thats ice cold take i think?

I like comic books, comic books tend to be sexist. Sucks. I like wrestling misogynist, as hell. Thats it. They reflect the environment that created them. The words may sound inflammatory because of like youtube thumbnail culture or whatever, but the point is ice cold.

[wind frigate]

with the way you talk about music

yes we….

[static elm]

Wtf

No 😭

[wind frigate]

[random portal]

Can’t believe this is why TSR bombed as well

[static elm]

I can't talk shit cuz idk the specifics of music theory

I'm just talking about how i feel about music

[wind frigate]

ik i just said that because you pulled the “we!!!?!?!?” card

[static elm]

Ye hihi

[north vault]

youtubers have been more detrimental to modern society than previously thought regrettably

[keen wren]

While im not gonna pretend im a perfect person. A lot of the problems that spring up come out of me writing things in plain english and people not reading them.

I can come off the agression trigger, sure. But I cant fix that other part

[lost plume]

Video essayists making the most pretentious sounding scripts to sound smart when they're talking about how a fucking spongebob episode is the epitome of entertainment as a whole

[north vault]

true‼️ https://twitter.com/CookieofCream/status/1855674154437247427

🍁Cookieofthecream🍁 (@CookieofCream) on X

I gotta play the piglet game before it gets covered by youtubers with a thumbnail that looks like this

Twitter · Nov 10, 2024, 6:09 PM

[wind frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-happy-gif-4334502865301853761

[urban scroll]

The problem of me genuinely asking what changes after telling me that the result of something failing isn't because of the product itself but because of some other internal factor that could result from said product not being seen as successful

[lost plume]

If I make essay type videos I just wanna make it about me rambling about practical effects/creature designs I've made fucking several drafts of these to go over once I get proper video editing software and knowledge

I don't wanna be some pseudo intellectual I wanna show that I'm just someone with a major interest

No shit like "with the final result gaining high praise" I'm going "this is so fucking cool that if you disagree you shouldn't deserve to have eyeballs"

I need personality in shit

Everyone sounds robotic and minotone

[ancient moss]

tbf i think some people just do tend to talk somewhat more formally

[lost plume]

Hate it

Fair

I can be formal but I wanna be like, myself

[ancient moss]

like theres def a very common additional formality in a lot of yt videos, but more often than not i think its just how the people writing these videos are

[warm basin]

06 sold pretty decent lmao what

it sold like what 2M copies i think?????

[urban scroll]

Also there are people who can't bring their personality up on the fly or make jokes in between because they don't have the experience, so they feel more comfortable reading off of a script

[warm basin]

while boom sold like 490K copies lmao

[open maple]

Making a script allows for ideas and arguments to be better organized, yeah

[warm basin]

yea the show was succesfull but boom was supposed to be game series after all

[open maple]

as you can do constant revisions to it so everything you say and do can flow more naturally

ad living can be good as well but it can be very akward to pull it off at first

[azure trail]

Jesús Christ

To think all the argument started cuz of silver 😭

[tardy pivot]

Yall gotta learn that

it's no use

https://tenor.com/view/silverhog-silver-the-hedgehog-shake-head-gif-1167887564105347846

[azure trail]

Poor María Juana head, he ain't loved 😢

But soon my boi...

That movie 4 is crazy

[random portal]

man a pothead porcupine joke in 2024? thats rare

[azure trail]

Pretty common in the Spanish community

[open maple]

I confirm

[lone lantern]

What do yall think the end of sonic movie 3 will leave us?
Considering each leaving off point of the last film sets a new present to the next one.

(Sonic finding his family, sonic finding his crew/the trio living on earth)

[random portal]

sonic becoming more confident as a leader and acting more mature is where it'll end

[tardy pivot]

I dunno that more sounds like, what he's doing throughout the movie.

[unique osprey]

what Soni said

[keen wren]

I think it will leave the series with more freedom to explore different types of narrative beyond the scope of tom and his sleepy town

[tardy pivot]

Personally I'm still holding onto what I said before about em leaving green hills temporarily to travel

[random portal]

i dont believe for a second they'll have sonic leave montana

we're gonna have to deal with a domesticated sonic until this universe ends

[tardy pivot]

If Shadow does get his redemption/turn or whatever it'd be a neat parallel to have with Sonic where 'oh even though they aren't with us anymore they'll always be in our hearts' or whatever. especially if some of the rumors around Tom are true.

[azure trail]

Shadow new tom son

O maybee

He stays with Rachel

That would fit

[lone lantern]

I think shadow is gonna "die" at the end and just free roam come the next adventure.

I think the creative team knows that family life just isn't for him, more so with the contrast they're setting up between him and sonic.

[azure trail]

What if they make us think he dies but he actually goes into a portal that makes him travel into other dimension where someone is in

[random portal]

shadow will get a fakeout death

[lone lantern]

But in terms of the future, I think sonic & co. Will be given the story opportunities to leave Montana behind in favor of some broader settings.

The town is ALWAYS gonna be the hub. The save room if you will, sentimental value and all that.
Legit the game green hill of the movie universe, so I don't think it'll fully ever "go".

[unique osprey]

best case scenario is shadow staying on earth and being the guy who goes on “earth adventures” from here on out while sonic and co start travelling through space with the rings (their home is still green hills but they’re exploring more)

[lone lantern]

Cause even looking at sonic 3, Green Hills doesn't have much a presence outside of them camping out and fucking around with a race at the beginning of the movie it seems.

[balmy fiber]

I just wanna talk about how cool it is that they achieved pretty nice atmosphere in this game they didnt really have to try, i get the 7 out of 10a it got back then

But its nothing crazy special

[lone lantern]

And ofc this, that's definitely gonna tie into the plot or loop around back to the end or something.

[balmy fiber]

It is luigis mansion kind of spooky with a way more atmospheric ost

[tardy pivot]

Yeah pretty much

[north vault]

honestly something to be said for how rad of a testing bed licensed games from the 90s/2000s were for smaller devs

[open maple]

Yeah. That's their home, and it works well within the context of the movies

[north vault]

shoutout to the speed racer movie tie-in game thats just, f-zero with combat lol https://youtu.be/GGg2Qzlp3vI

[balmy fiber]

Whoa

[azure trail]

I mean the movie is kinda like that so

it fits

[north vault]

forgot where I saw it but ages back I remember an ex-industry (now indie) dev talking about how since they couldn't always get funding for new original games, they'd just
get the same ideas and stick em into a licensed title for easier funding lol

[keen wren]

I feel like thats not just likely but necessary at this point

[tardy pivot]

Just feels like a natural conclusion for the trilogy and sonics arc, going from a kid to a grown up

This might age like shite milk, but I'm willing to take that bet

[keen wren]

I just feel like its a narrative dead end if they wanna expand

Like they gotta leave

Beyond the conclusion as you mentioned. Like shadow isnt staying at that house

There are characters where that trapping doesnt work beyond just growing artistic ambitions

[lone lantern]

I do feel like Tom and maddie are going to have to gradually phased out as we go into this on going saga they're planning on making though.

[olive vortex]

Ngl I feel like they are

Tom and Maddie I feel like are too integral

Especially when movie Sonic’s whole shtick is family

U also need a human character for general audiences to relate to in these live action movies

As for the ||Silver|| thing

I’m not even gonna lie

[lone lantern]

True.
But I also think that's why sonic 3 is so stead focused on the trio, as the central 'family' of the story.

Tom and maddie or not, those three are brothers in essence and dynamic, and established as so after sonic 2. So I feel like that covers any base come the next few projects they wanna do.

[olive vortex]

That seems like the smartest next movie from a business standpoint

[lone lantern]

Cause let's be real.
Wtf are Tom and Maddie gonna do come a fucking..
Dark Gia situation.

[north vault]

reminder that the core human cast (Tom, Maddie & Robotnik) all signed on for a trilogy at the start so they were legally bound to be here

[steep sequoia]

All I want is Chaos to be the next big bad

[olive vortex]

If they’re trying to build off hype with each movie, I don’t think goin for Amy or the Chaotix is gonna make people go insane

[north vault]

beyond this point though? who knows

[steep sequoia]

I need Perfect Chaos in cinematic so much

[olive vortex]

Def think they’re keeping james and tika

[lone lantern]

Can't ride a hummer into battle again for the last save bro

[olive vortex]

Jim?

80% no

But after seeing how much he gets paid, I wouldn’t be surprised if he wanted to stay 💀💀💀

[north vault]

said it once and I'll say it again

the moment Jim goes, its joever

[olive vortex]

Oh for sure

[lone lantern]

Well he's also a guy that doesn't like to push a success too far. Eggman is a character that he likes because he's on a gradual evolution and we've hit that peak/conclusion.
So he might call it done as the character is done.

[olive vortex]

But this is Paramount’s golden cow

[north vault]

they'll def be rebooting immediately once he's out

[olive vortex]

They gonna milk TF outta the live action series

Ehhhhh

I don’t think so imho

[lone lantern]

Reboots don't just instantly happen

[olive vortex]

I can really see this being a Smurfs / transformers situation

Ala continue the series as it is alongside a reboot that is very faithful to the source material

[north vault]

sonic's in a more unique situation though cos like, with those you can at least swap out the core cast in some form (transformers especially is guilty lol)

but for sonic, like

[olive vortex]

Like I’m still believing that there will be a modern sonic movie soon imo

[north vault]

its always been sonic vs eggman

[olive vortex]

It’s just how paramount approaches it

[north vault]

how are you gonna do a sonic movie without an eggman

[olive vortex]

They MIGHT

MIGHT

Pull some bs like

Agent Stone

Or like Metal Sonic

Or

[lone lantern]

Adapt to the story to a new threat, as most movies do I feel.

[olive vortex]

They go the balls deep route

And do an entirely different eggman

[north vault]

metal sonic I could see them doing, but ideally you'd want eggman around in some form

either agent stone or a new eggman would immediately be series-killers lol#

[olive vortex]

With that rumor going around that silver will be major

[lone lantern]

Like it's never really a thing we have to think about in the games because we have to stick to that fuckass status quo.

[north vault]

like, bless agent stone, he's great, but he is half of a double act

[olive vortex]

I think I already have a good idea on what the next story is gonna be

[olive vortex]

True

I definitely agree with this

[north vault]

its like doing the three stooges but with only one stooge

yeah gonna go see the curly movie mate

[lone lantern]

Said last night, but I appreciate that there's a branch of the franchise that HAS to answer that question and up it as it progresses in a story that IS growing the characters and world

[north vault]

off for the curly cinematic universe

[lone lantern]

That and feel like if you keep bringing eggman back no matter what, and he's just back it again, you're gonna make it very repetitive.

In a film structure at least

The games come like every 5 years, and that's just what cartoons have to obey in a story structure/incentive of a problem to make you play the game.
"He's BACK. Again."

[steep sequoia]

If they want to stop using Eggman, Dr. Stone is easily the best replacement for the movie series

[lone lantern]

Lee has longevity, he's already well-liked by the fans and General audience, it's clear that the creative team loves him too.
So come eggmans end, it's the easiest decision to make in a story progression angle.

I'd rather take Stone over another..Buyer

[tardy pivot]

Nobody's saying phase them out entirely after movie 3. And it's not like they can't ever come back or cameo or anything

[patent hazel]

Sonic 3 tickets drop on Monday 25th Nov

So trailer will defo drop around then

Usually they drop a trailer that announces ticket release day after, so it’s safe to assume trailer is probably next week bc they won’t drop tickets before a trailer

[wind sparrow]

Do we even know if this guy is reputable?

Cause that’s a Monday

[left umbra]

For the record, the final trailer for Sonic 2 also dropped on a Monday

[wind sparrow]

Did it really?

[left umbra]

Yep.
March 14th, 2022 at 9AM EDT

[patent hazel]

https://x.com/sonicstadium/status/1857498820411600953?s=46&t=hz_7Hq6aWEVvkckv9DT6eQ fellas is it time

Sonic Stadium ✪ Sonic News & Fandom (on 🦋) (@sonicstadium) on X

Sonic Adventure Series Scheduled for Xbox/PC Delisting in Germany and Italy

#SonicNews | #SonicTheHedgehog

https://t.co/OOJSjsG8yU

Twitter · Nov 15, 2024, 7:00 PM

[unique osprey]

that’s pretty weird, but no

[umbral gale]

Oh, I’m starting to think a Sega Dreamcast collection might be a thing….

If they are now also delisting Sonic Adventure 1+2 beyond Germany & Italy

[balmy fiber]

That would be nice

[urban scroll]

Sega Dreamcast Collection + NiGHTS just cuz

[balmy fiber]

Sega All Stars

[steep sequoia]

That’s most likely the case

I don’t think it means adventure remakes at all considering with the other SEGA games

But at the same time, I hope they expand more Dreamcast library

[balmy fiber]

I want a new sega collection thats literally everything but genesis

That would be so cathartic for me

[steep sequoia]

Same. I wanted to play other Dreamcast games

[balmy fiber]

Master System, Game Gear, Saturn and Dreamcast

[steep sequoia]

While a better version of SA1/SA2

[balmy fiber]

Please

We need somethint like better sadx

[umbral gale]

That feels way too soon right now

[steep sequoia]

Obviously yeah of course

In anything a dreamcast collection makes more sense

But hopefully actual good ports t his time around

[umbral gale]

Me too

I also hope its coming to modern consoles

If that's the case

[steep sequoia]

agreed

[patent hazel]

Could be our 2025 thing

I wouldn’t mind

[north vault]

honestly if they're delisting em in december I want em to be there like, asap lol

should absolutely not be happening unless they have replacement listings up immediately afterwards

[steep sequoia]

Can see it being our 2025 games yeah

That's the thing

Like why suddenly delisting them?

It feels so unneeded

[north vault]

I think it'd be fair to delist em if they had something lined up and already announced, but so far there's just

nowt

just sneaking it into some website FAQs and that's that

[steep sequoia]

yeah it's very weird

[urban scroll]

Waiting for the potential game awards announcement or something idk

[patent hazel]

Or early 2025 announcement like how they announced shad gens early this year

[steep sequoia]

I can see them being shown at TGA considering they seems to be a lot more involved now there

[patent hazel]

https://www.si.com/videogames/news/sega-delisting-retro-games-steam-xbox-switch-playstation

Guys there’s this as well…

[steep sequoia]

Yeah something weird is going on

[north vault]

Yeah this is what I was referring to lol

it’s incredibly fucky

[unique osprey]

it might be modern gaming company doing its modern gaming thing

no preservation, only content

[north vault]

that’s the fear!!

I really want to be wrong as historically they’ve been better than most at it, but

man

[tardy pivot]

If there is a collection then I'm just confused as to why there's 0 transparency about it.

[patent hazel]

They just gonn shadow drop it??

[tardy pivot]

Like hypothetically if there is one, why not reveal that first and THEN delist this stuff

[dire quiver]

To be quite frank, I'm not sure why I should be surprised if there is nothing.

I'll only be surprised if it's the opposite.

[balmy fiber]

Are you saying that you just expect them to do nothing about it

Cuz idk thats very pointed delisting

I think it has to do with some sort of project

A collection of some sort

Maybe sega ages 2.0

[north vault]

if it is then maybe they should bloody tell us the project instead of just delisting games without saying anything

[dire quiver]

Unfortunately, yes.

Just nothing.

[north vault]

at least with both times it's happened for sonic (Origins and Gens) we've had plenty of prior warning and knew beforehand what the new versions were

[dire quiver]

Just have these games delisted and here you go, the chance of obtaining them is now gone forever.

[north vault]

for this, literally nowt, zero communication

if it's supposed to be a shadow drop its a bad one!!

[balmy fiber]

I think thats too pessimistic

Cuz idk

Sega has been preserving games well enough

And for them to suddenly

Wipe them out its odd

Its just odd

Also its high time fornlike a more effort collection

Or SEGA AGES 2

[dire quiver]

It really isn't pessimistic to expect a company to do something bad all of a sudden.

They could follow it up with something, but that's an if situation. They haven't communicated us with anything.

[lone lantern]

So most say that shadow is a teen or more commonly, 15 years old right?

Does that mean he was alive for 15 years on the ARK before he went under in cryo sleep or is it just an estimate because of his heightened intellect/fast learning and maturity.

[open maple]

https://tenor.com/view/padrinos-magicos-fairly-oddparents-no-exactamente-jorgen-nickelodeon-gif-17378192

[lone lantern]

If it's the latter, I'd like to establish the new rule of canon that shadow is actually 3 years old.

[open maple]

Basically Shadow is technically 50+ years (if we account the 50 years he was in cryo sleep)

otherwise, he was just essentially a newborn in chronological terms

but he was created with the mental and physical capacities of a 15 years old

At least that is how it is handled in the game canon

[lone lantern]

I guess 15 is that prime middle range for an sentient creature you're making.

[dire quiver]

I mean... he very much is.

He is an experiment.

[lone lantern]

It'd be odd if you made him with the pinpoint goal of a..40 year old chain smoker for your Ill grand daughter.

[dire quiver]

None of his body aged because frozen in the cryo sleep (duh).

[lone lantern]

Right

[dry sorrel]

Shadow is an ageless teenager for 50 years

[keen wren]

This is something people kinda made up and its odd

To be fair to people, its because he has a simular build to sonic so they assume they made him s teen. But there are people , for example mimic, who are sonic size and like 30.

I like to believe he was made a teenager because his story is a pretty good allegory for finding yourself as a teen. But thats a read on my end nothing confirms that

It doesn't help they have decided shadow will have the voice of a gruff old man, in both movie and film. Shadow isnt beating the geezer allegations

[keen wren]

It wouldn't be if you were inspired by 40 year old chain smokers from comic books

Which...shadow is

This recent press tour has made me deal with some uncomfortable realities

[dire quiver]

Age is one of those things you shouldn't think about in the Sonic universe.

Even when it comes to "official" and "confirmed" ages.

Classic Sonic would be 16 and Modern Sonic 15 respectively. Go figure.

[wind sparrow]

https://fixupx.com/beyondreporter/status/1857914206974054808?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G-8-XvjXcQ

Interviews maybe?

[harsh kettle]

its actually from a leaked 06 script apparently

[keen wren]

Can get proof?
Also my point still stands that not something they choose to use and the games characterize him differently

[harsh kettle]

https://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(2006_game)/Development#Development_Process

last paragraph here, i cant send photos in this channel fsr?

and you know just cause it wasnt used in the final script doesnt negate the possibility that shadow can be 15

[harsh kettle]

btw as of 2014 classic sonic is also 15 and classic amy is also 12

its in the classic sonic style guide that was released around then

[boreal canyon]

you’re generally not able to post images without the sonic maniacs role (which is the chat activity rank), it’s just that there’s a handful of channels where its not enforced

in a few days this will be changed to be consistent across the whole server

[harsh kettle]

ahhh i see, understood!

imo im not really a stickler for characters ages, but they're handy for... maturity rankings in relation to each other. Like Shadow being given the age 15 means he's toe to toe with sonic, but he's "younger" than rouge so rouge has a "bigger sister" role to her. its nice to keep in mind when thinking in the context of asian age-respectability culture

[keen wren]

That negates it, pretty definitively

That is information they specifically choose to not engage with. It was on the cutting room floor.

[harsh kettle]

well we can agree to disagree, im not really invested in it enough to debate it tbh

[keen wren]

Oh just saw this fair enough

[boreal canyon]

i think being vague about it can actually help with more relatability (as well as believability and flexibility in writing) while still being useful for maturity rankings.

for example, saying sonic is "a teenager" is probably better than just saying he's 15 - it leaves some room for interpretation so that anyone 13-19 could still easily identify w/ sonic in that way. from there, you can still say tails and amy younger than sonic, and cream & charmy are the youngest (just calling them lil kids works too), without affixing what seems to be an otherwise arbitrary number attached to the characters that tends to cause some dissonance more than anything

tl;dr im not a stickler about character ages either, i can see why theyd wanna do it but i feel like the manner in which they go about it is kinda weird 🤷

[muted kernel]

that was Daniel RPK

Beyond Reporter actually got the date right for the first trailer lol

I’m telling ur rn it’s lego lol

[patent hazel]

Sonic Lego show?

[muted kernel]

my guess honestly yeah

they been doing alot with lego recently so I wouldn’t be shocked if it was

[north vault]

Wouldn’t be surprised tbf, Lego’s very matey with a lotta streaming services/animation studios too (including both man of action & Netflix)

[unique osprey]

a new sonic cartoon being entirely centered around Lego might be my 9/11

[gloomy bloom]

LEGO Sonic Prime

[open maple]

https://tenor.com/view/equedexx-gif-20385492

Yubel coded lmao

[balmy fiber]

Vile

[north vault]

A SECOND MINIFIGURE HAS HIT THE CHARACTERISATION DEBATES

[north vault]

honestly in tone it'll prolly be this, but like

[torn scarab]

if this gets made I’m gonna destroy everything in Lego hq

[north vault]

without the "is it canon" stress which'll make it infinitely more bearable

like how they do lego star wars silly things every year and nobody really stresses about their canon-ness cos like

they clearly are not lol

[gloomy bloom]

I'll only allow this to happen if they got Trigger secretly working on a Sonic series in the meantime

[torn scarab]

Ok fair

[north vault]

the cutscenes were the best part of sonic in lego dimensions so more of that would be fine with me

[torn scarab]

if either Trigger or Flying Bark make a Sonic series, the Prime Sonic Lego series can be made

[north vault]

certain fans would be absolutely livid lol, but I'd be alright with it

[quaint mountain]

Yeah, same

It won't, but I'm kinda tired after any LEGO-related media after Horizon Adventures

The most product-ass product one could make that's not Funko Fusion

[north vault]

I can excuse the horizon one on the basis of "the lego set based off it looks pretty good"

(and honestly if a lego sonic show results in more good sets I'm fully down on that basis alone lol)

[quaint mountain]

Just sell the set then

Instead they had to make a really weird retelling of Horizon 1, which already was pretty milque-toast for something that was supposed to be cool

[boreal canyon]

prime movie + season 4 on the way

[north vault]

bonus points if its all created using assets from the first 3 seasons alone

[static elm]

https://tenor.com/view/choso-choso-jjk-choso-jujutsu-kaisen-choso-anime-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-10037971888755283102

[random portal]

Calling those seasons is a laugh. They just spliced one show into three parts.

[unique osprey]

Yeah i was about to say

I wish more people actually referred to these “seasons” as what they actually are “s1 part 1, s1 part 2, s1 part3”

[dire quiver]

That's cause of how Netflix works, isn't it?

[unique osprey]

or as I go, 1a, 1b, 1c

[dire quiver]

Shows kind of have to be spliced.

I've seen a few others face the same issue.

[random portal]

JoJo and rn Arcane S2 right?

[dire quiver]

I was thinking of Cuphead Show as an example, I barely watch Netflix.

[open maple]

yeah

stone ocean was divided in 'parts'

but all of them are just part 6 (in terms of how it fits the grander series)

(I hate Netflix due to that)

[dire quiver]

They do it supposedly to lower costs.

Which makes sense, I guess.

[torn scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-fearless-year-of-shadow-sonic-x-shadow-generations-shadow-generations-shadow-lock-in-gif-13011789403916635655

[wind sparrow]

https://x.com/beyondreporter/status/1858607588637589585?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G-8-XvjXcQ called it

The Beyond Reporter (@BeyondReporter) on X

Some information and an interview tomorrow ✅

Twitter · Nov 18, 2024, 8:25 PM

[patent hazel]

Sonic

[quaint mountain]

something something Mid or i scream

|| Ryan from the Bronx (midori) tweeted it out earlier today, I saw it, but didn't say anything for obvious reasons ||

[balmy fiber]

?

I dont get it

[quaint mountain]

He mentioned that Sonic Guinness is a codename for the next Sonic game, which would fit in the whole beer thematic for codenames

Sonic Orion, Miller and one other I can't remember

[north vault]

Cannot believe there is a sonic game in development

what a complete shock! Truly unprecedented news

(we should hunt leakers for sport)

[boreal canyon]

Why do you hate me

I get that im annoying sometimes but damn!

[balmy fiber]

Is that it

Wow

[patent hazel]

If you spot a pattern with the code names of the game you can figure out what kind of game it is

That’s the interesting bit

[balmy fiber]

How

Whay does guinness say

[boreal canyon]

what does miller say

[quaint mountain]

The word itself doesn't, but the beer-related projects all either were 2D or had more prevalent 2D gameplay

[unique osprey]

Guinness, Orion, Miller