#Sonic Superstars (spoilers)

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balmy cipher
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Would not surprise me if the marketing budget for Superstars was so low due to SEGA (and by extension Atlus) already allocating a ton of money on marketing for other projects

boreal mirage
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maybe they thought it would've sold alone

balmy cipher
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Even more so when they probably used up that money for shit like the Summer Games Fest reveal

noble drift
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I am pretty sure they did

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Like i think they expected the movie recogintion to do the same for superstars

boreal mirage
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at the same time they were in summer game fest and gamescom

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and they also showed lot of gameplay

balmy cipher
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Oh yea SGF and ONL

noble drift
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One little thing in my mind is that i feel they are kinda shocked superstars did not come even close to frontiers

balmy cipher
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Those were very likely the big money sinkers

boreal mirage
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but by the time gamescom trailer came out it got under blue eyes super sonic shadow

crude kelp
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one of the goals of marketing is to make the general audience aware of the game

boreal mirage
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I mean it was in 2 big events tho

boreal mirage
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not to mention there probably was the ads on internet and so

crude kelp
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and I think it's especially important for superstars because it's the perfect game for families.

unique wedge
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Superstars performed strangely much worse than I expected

boreal mirage
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thing is

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2d sonic is just niche now

balmy cipher
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All that effort to avoid pixel art

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and the game still sells like ass

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Even more so when Mario and Spider-Man came out that same week

boreal mirage
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if it was pixel I think it would have been the same

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and yeah there is mario wonder and spiderman but remember there was also pokemon and gow last year

balmy cipher
boreal mirage
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not to mention frontiers had worst presentation lol

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so it had everything to lose

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in that month

crude kelp
balmy cipher
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Arzest not knowing jack shit about the Retro Engine

crude kelp
balmy cipher
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I’d argue Pokémon Scarlet and Violet looked worse than Frontiers

crude kelp
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worse than frontiers but better than mania

boreal mirage
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how you know is better than mania

balmy cipher
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And that shit is due to how the game looked and ran like ass on the hardware it was on

unique wedge
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I think they could do better if it wasn't the same thing as the Classics

boreal mirage
crude kelp
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better launch in UK than Mania,already made a half of revenue of Mania in Steam and better launch in japan

crude kelp
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you don`t need to be expert to realise that

balmy cipher
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Still tho

boreal mirage
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easily to get the revenue faster since super was 60 mania was just 20 lol

crude kelp
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i dont think its matter

balmy cipher
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It’s funny how the billion dollar IP got a game with worse performance and graphics than the 30FPS locked Frontiers

crude kelp
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Pokemon Company is even worse than Sammy lol

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Compare what news we've been getting since the release of frontiers and how it was with Pokémon

unique wedge
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But it should have been a little better

noble drift
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Honestly i am very curious on what they will think

boreal mirage
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there do was some lack of hype even in the fan base

noble drift
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Cuz they could consider it a success, or a failure

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Or jusr lukewarm

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i want know what they do from now on with the classic sonic brand

unique wedge
noble drift
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Yea

unique wedge
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Not bad enough, not good enough

noble drift
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honestly if they just widescreen port heroes it would sell better

tacit coral
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I mean lets be honest, Classic isn't the only thing riding on this

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This was the 2D game they were making

noble drift
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Yep

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They will just assume that 2d is bad for sonic

boreal mirage
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there just seem to be some lack of interest in 2d sonic

tacit coral
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Always has been unfortunately

boreal mirage
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mania wasnt the case at all because it was like, a anniversary title

noble drift
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Its funny cuz

boreal mirage
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last 2d game was sonic 4

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so mania was fresh air ykow

noble drift
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How well did other 2d sonics sold

boreal mirage
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but superstars was not fresh aside from co-op and the 3d graphics

noble drift
tacit coral
boreal mirage
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what I mean is that mania at the time was like a surprise

tacit coral
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Sonic 4 might be the exception

boreal mirage
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cuz it was doing some kind of generations

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but for genesis sonic

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so it was like woaaaa

tacit coral
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Mania exploded bc of taxman as a name imo

boreal mirage
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superstars has a bigger name

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is oshima

tacit coral
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Like all of the reactions I've seen just light up like a bonfire as soon as it shows up

boreal mirage
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lol

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cmon

tacit coral
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Absolutely DOES NOT matter

noble drift
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Can someone get sales out of rush advance and the such

tacit coral
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Taxman a gigachad like that

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I screamed so loud lmaooo

noble drift
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Yea pretty much

boreal mirage
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advance like 1 million

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the first game

tacit coral
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I was just blown

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Away

noble drift
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We all got excited to see Taxman working on it

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i got less excited to see ghz

boreal mirage
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it sold 200k in japan tho

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advance 2

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lol

tacit coral
noble drift
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Advance 1 was like

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The first 2d sonic on nintendo

boreal mirage
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but is different cases tho

noble drift
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Just like SA2B was the first sonic game on nintendo

boreal mirage
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it was the gameboy and DS

tacit coral
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I think 1 mil was pretty high at the time

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Like idk what are the top gba games in terms of sales

boreal mirage
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wikipedia says it sold 1.8 millions but vgchartz said it sold like 2.2 overall

noble drift
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Either way around 2 million

tacit coral
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👁️

boreal mirage
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overall it sold from 1 million to 2 million overall

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so like 4 millions for the whole series

tacit coral
noble drift
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Sold better than kirby thats kinda good

boreal mirage
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no sales for rush

noble drift
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Tf

boreal mirage
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only vgchartz that says it sold 3 millions

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but vgchartz is not always reliable so

noble drift
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Makes sense it was the ds after all

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But yea

boreal mirage
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rush adventure only 1 million supposedly

tacit coral
noble drift
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Yea figures

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Wait what

boreal mirage
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there we go

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it had only 1k sold in japan

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rush adventue

zenith kettle
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Rush Adventure was robbed hard

tacit coral
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Fwiw it seems wikipedia links to an actual source for Advance 2's sales numbers

zealous spindle
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I think about it a lot

noble drift
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Rush Adventure will always be an obscure gem on the series

tacit coral
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Rush Collection kurtthink

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Include Colors DS

boreal mirage
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is sad cuz rush adventure is amazing

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but oh well

boreal mirage
tacit coral
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Erm

boreal mirage
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colors ds is cool but it doesnt have that rush feel

noble drift
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You see, this makes me think what sega could do to make 2d sonic a thing without being an issue

boreal mirage
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it lacks lot of stuff from it

noble drift
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They should give 2d sonic keys to some indie dev

tacit coral
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It do yeah

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It'll never be rush 3

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but

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It will always be the better colors

noble drift
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And not let it be 60 dollars

boreal mirage
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nuh uh

zealous spindle
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“We should put some regional Aussie language in, for authenticity!”
[accidentally uses a swear word]
[pushes the game’s age rating to 12, outside of sonic’s actual target audience]

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the fact two versions of Rush Adventure exist (one with bugger, one without where the age rating got revised down to 3) feels like an incredible series of events

noble drift
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Thats very funny

tacit coral
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I should play more sooperstars...

noble drift
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Anyways

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Honestly i dont want 2d sonic to die but they should defintely be smarter on what to do with it

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Like less expensive

zealous spindle
boreal mirage
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maybe one day...

zealous spindle
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they should’ve done this with superstars, let c sonic say fuck

tacit coral
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And

zealous spindle
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also re: sales im still not concerned honestly, chrimbo is coming

noble drift
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They made it 60 dollars lmao

tacit coral
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They blow it on "muh brand reputation"

noble drift
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Cuz superstars is not 60 dollars it should have never been 60 dollars

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It looks like a 3ds game

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I dont know what they were thinking lol

tacit coral
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This is Sonic this is NOT a Nintendo game 1-800-come-on-now

noble drift
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Next time they gotta learn to be more humble

boreal mirage
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frontiers was also 60 bros...

tacit coral
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Yes...

noble drift
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Yes and it was a way bigger game

tacit coral
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Is all froniteris fallt

boreal mirage
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fair

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I just forgo

noble drift
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Superstars is basically a 2 hour game with an extra hard mode and thats it

boreal mirage
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superstars was also in the nintendo direct

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after sgf

noble drift
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They always get cocky

tacit coral
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Someone either at sega or st didn't like the discount/budget bin forces got thrown into ig

noble drift
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For the wrong reasons

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Like WE WILL BE FINE THIS IS LIKE MANIA EVERYONE WILL WANT THIS

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no

zealous spindle
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Digital sales are one thing, less so concerned about physical sales tho cos like

the stores already bought their wholesale stock from sega

the money has been made

tacit coral
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Sonic Cycle but for retailer chains

boreal mirage
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yup

zealous spindle
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whether stores can clear that stock out, now that’s on the stores lol

noble drift
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It reminds me of that spongebob episode where spongebob does a thing well then is dismissed and euther squidward or mr. Krabs get the idea for themselves and do it wrong

tacit coral
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"it's gonna sell millions this time trust me pam"

noble drift
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It would all be fine if superstars wasnt full price

boreal mirage
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isnt sega gonna have the q2 sales thing this or next month

noble drift
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My wallet still hurts

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Superstars made me want to replay other sonic games that arent it

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Yesterday i played sa2 for the first time since frontiers came out

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Now im playing heroes

tacit coral
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Play team dark tbh

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They got the goods

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Even if

noble drift
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Nah im team sonic

tacit coral
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The combat is much worse

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Yes but sonic lacks the more hardcore upper paths

noble drift
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True but i dont wanna get my ass kicked i just wanna play heroes again lmao

tacit coral
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Fair kbro

noble drift
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I just wanna play em for a bit

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Since i miss em

tacit coral
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The goobers bingus_flower

noble drift
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Cuz internet opinions made me think heroes and sa2 are bad games

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And im playing it and uh

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Rail Canyon has that dickish rail that doesnt launch you far enough

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....

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Yea thats it

tacit coral
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....

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Oh nvm

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I meannnn

noble drift
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And the special stages suck ass

tacit coral
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Heroes is a weird one to think about

noble drift
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It is

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I want a remaster

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Give it to me

tacit coral
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That's what gets me lol

noble drift
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Honestly thats what i want

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For sega to invest on remasters

tacit coral
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When people say remaster all I can think of is

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"How"

noble drift
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What do you mean how

tacit coral
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Like

zealous spindle
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Sonic Heroes Ultimate letsgoooooooooo!!!!!

tacit coral
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Are there identifiable problems that can be fixed

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Or are we talking straight up

noble drift
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I mean better controls

tacit coral
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Just porting it fully

zealous spindle
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$60 release, team rose is now DLC

tacit coral
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Bc like I said Heroes is weird

noble drift
zealous spindle
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NO IT WAS A BIT IT WAS A BIT

noble drift
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Heroes would have to have a kh1 hd type redo

zealous spindle
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ABORT ABORT ABORT

tacit coral
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LMAO

noble drift
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Cuz of renderware and stuff

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Just give it to someone competent, give em time, let them work

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Make it nice and polished

tacit coral
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Hang on...

noble drift
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Hell it can even look like the og

tacit coral
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Heroes in DLC packs...

noble drift
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But with better textures and such

tacit coral
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$10 heroes

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Each team costs $5 more

noble drift
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That sounds both awful and great

tacit coral
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Buy them all to unlock the true final boss

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It's just

noble drift
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Nah its fin

tacit coral
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How do you release heroes

noble drift
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I didnt even do rhat with superstars

tacit coral
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All like that

noble drift
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?

tacit coral
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To the public

noble drift
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I dont get what u mean

tacit coral
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in 2023

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or further

noble drift
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Its sonic heroes all ot has wrong is gameplay

tacit coral
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"Oh you have to play as four teams in order to complete it and I hated it"

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Like the format itself

zealous spindle
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Release it into a bin

tacit coral
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You can't make it optional without making heroes not heroes

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Maybe?

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Unless...

crude kelp
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but it`l be lucky just gonna be frontiers sales

tribal badger
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Still, we don't know how Superstars did in terms of sales

tacit coral
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Pepito did you look at the sonic rush/adventure sales

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Those are like defacto 2D Sonic in our eyes

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In terms of style at least

tribal badger
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But if it didn't well, I think it's because of the release date was just horrible and that it cost too much

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they're the main two reasons

tribal badger
tacit coral
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I mean there's always the Colors/Colors DS format

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Not exactly 50/50 sales there but it was close

tribal badger
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Apparently Rush sold 1.29m copies as of March 2007

tacit coral
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Hmmm the numbers on retro should be updated then thonk

zinc phoenix
toxic canopy
high schooner
last bay
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duuuude this super fight is soooo asss

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i reach to the part where it fires meteors at u but i deadass have no idea what it wants me to do, like does it want me parry it or what

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this game is so ass

soft steppe
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The reticle part is really weird yeah

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You have to press it slightly before it meets the circle iirc

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Shoutout to Trip and Amy showing up in the fight only if you don't get any knockback btw

last bay
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thabk fuck i did it

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this game actually sucks

boreal mirage
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game overall or just the boss

last bay
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i do think the finale just makes it sooo miserable to play through that i would say, yeah superstars is kinda bad

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would play 4 over it any day

boreal mirage
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damn 😭

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ep 1?

last bay
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yes

boreal mirage
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wow

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it really was shite experience

last bay
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Fang and the Black Dragon are just soooo fucking shit

modest arch
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who at arzest thought the late game bosses were a good idea

noble drift
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The first 6 levels are great and then it just nosedives in fun

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I will say this

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I never want to play cyber station again

modest arch
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i like the level

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but the boss, being a lategame one, easily becomes an endurance test

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i used tails to help things

last bay
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Cyber Station was pretty alright imo, the mouse section was the part I didnt really like

modest arch
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it's passable

noble drift
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I thought the level design was really unintuitve

modest arch
viral tinsel
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The first one I fucked up a movement by the very end

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the second was the one I made it.

modest arch
last bay
modest arch
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i liked the rockets though

last bay
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trips ver of the rocket section kinda sucked

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cause getting rings woud get u killed

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which is so cheap and bs

modest arch
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i haven't even made it past the main campaign bigsad

last bay
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where u at?

modest arch
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ive gotten pretty close on the egg fortress boss with tails but died at the last 2 or so hits

last bay
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ooooh

modest arch
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ill try again when i get my switch back

last bay
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damn yeah that boss is a cakewalk compared to fang and the dragon

viral tinsel
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I found Fang's boss easier

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by a bit.

modest arch
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they're both annoying endurance tests

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absolutely hate the lasers and the lava

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you can't even see them sometimes due to how the screen scrolls

viral tinsel
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It would be like this

Purple eyes black Dragon (YGO pun) >~ Super Fighting Robot Fangman >~ Egg Samurai

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for me

modest arch
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ive been hearing these are internal names right

viral tinsel
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2 out of 3 are puns I did

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the egg samurai one is internal name, yeah

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I do think they should be shorter in their sequences but I never found them unfair by any means

tribal badger
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i'm genuinely curious

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i kinda wanna play superstars

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just to know what it is

viral tinsel
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well only one way to find out and it's you playing it

unique wedge
tribal badger
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just to make an opinion out of it

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yeah i'm waiting till i can get it for like 20 bucks used

unique wedge
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I mean

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Even if you think you will hate it (or simply already do), experiencing it can still be something interesting

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But yes, please do not get the game for $60 lol

modest arch
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i already got the game at half price technically

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this is msrp

tribal badger
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yeah 60$ is too much

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the most important is buying it in a way that doesn't give sega money tbh

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but yeah it doesn't seem to be worth more than like 30 bucks

zealous spindle
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Got it for 20 and I’m just about satisfied

tribal badger
zealous spindle
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would’ve been livid if I got it full price lol

modest arch
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i hope they'll add more content

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make the price more worth it

viral tinsel
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Apparentely there is a christmas disguise within the code

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so maybe some other stuff will be added in the future

tribal badger
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well if it's paid dlc... it's gonna be funny

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not the christmas thing

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i'm talking about the "more content"

unique wedge
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I will definitely not doubt they will at least think about doing some kind of Plus (+) expansion type DLC

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It feels like it's just going to be tradition after Origins had done it

viral tinsel
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I will wait and see what they add

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Not sure if I will buy it but tbf my options are fairly limited to what I can buy

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as an idea

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this is the second game I bought this year

unique wedge
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If it's bought then man

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I will say it, this game is a hundred percent not worth as much as it costs

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Even if I like it

viral tinsel
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Yeah I think 40 would be better

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then again, taxes would make it 50 here

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or so, ultimately making me pay more anyway AnnoyedSonic

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(I hate regional prices)

boreal mirage
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I would pay 30 ngl lol

viral tinsel
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30-40,

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We can leave it at that

boreal mirage
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40 only for special edition

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but base 30 and 35 at max

unique wedge
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$30 would have been good, I'm still not sure what exactly caused them to decide $60 should have been it

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Aside from the possibility of greed

viral tinsel
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Idk

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It's hard to say

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there are several factors that come into play so

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it could be greed, but also something else

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or something else impulsed by greed initially

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etc etc

tribal badger
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40 at the very maximum

rapid shuttle
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Yall I got Cyber Station's melody stuck in my head.

tribal badger
tribal badger
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enter

zenith kettle
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I already talked about the guy yesterday

boreal mirage
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the forces of the classic era....

vast latch
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I just started Trip's story

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man I really cant be bothered to finish this game

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Like I dont hate it

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its just bland as shit

short lark
tacit coral
short lark
zenith kettle
short lark
noble drift
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Dude hates a design so much

short lark
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I never said I hated it though. spectrum

honest patio
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With the amount of potshots you take at it you may as well have spectrum

short lark
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The only “potshot” I dished out towards Trip was on the 18th of this month. Otherwise, I don’t think about her. spectrum

hoary trench
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Acting like Fang 😭

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How the fuck do you use the speech bubble bot here on mobile?!

short lark
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Nah, to be like Fang I’d have to actively think about her with malicious intent. She’s not worth thinking about from my perspective. spectrum

noble drift
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im sorry, but you think of her more than half of this server 😭

short lark
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What 💀

unique wedge
viral tinsel
# viral tinsel

(this one was more annoying to do. There were some blurry edges that made it hard to determine if the image was well placed or not)

short lark
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Last time I did it was because she was relevant to the discussion since it was about Amy pairings.

toxic canopy
shy turtle
toxic canopy
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this is so real...

shy turtle
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ikr ? i'm always spitting kbro

short lark
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I mean, I’m not the one gassing up a design like it’s special. spectrum

shy turtle
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damn, i might need to buy glasses cuz i can't see where i said this

short lark
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Who said anything about you? I obviously wasn’t referring to you.

tranquil harbor
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do not diss trip ever again.

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final warning.

short lark
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I won’t diss her Dragon form, since it’s cool.

shy turtle
toxic canopy
toxic canopy
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this is like when @tranquil harbor joins the chat

tranquil harbor
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for real 💯

honest patio
hoary trench
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LMAO

zealous spindle
short lark
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That’s fair

zealous spindle
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its so funny to me that the chaos emeralds grant one (1) super form to a girl and it looks like
that

short lark
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I don’t think it’ll be everyone’s cup of tea since it looks pretty goofy.

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But for me it’s perfect.

rustic fable
viral tinsel
last bay
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they werent there when i was real low

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wtf

soft steppe
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Because that isn't the factor sadly lol

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You have to get no knockback for about a minute iirc

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And good luck with that during some of these attacks lmao

last bay
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yeah thats suuuuper specific

tribal badger
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They are just both together

zenith kettle
soft steppe
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Yup

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I found out via some random comment and trying out myself later lmao

zealous spindle
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(genuinely couldnae make these two less straight if they TRIED)

tribal badger
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Trip is to Amy like Mighty is to Knuckles

zealous spindle
tribal badger
balmy cipher
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Probably also done without the dev team knowing that it was even in Frontiers before it got scrapped

agile lark
toxic canopy
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he's a modernbro,,,,

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like us,,,,,,,,,.,

agile lark
toxic canopy
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LOOOOOL

agile lark
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Modern moron lookin ass

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@toxic canopy if you need me, wait until I finish up this meal

toxic canopy
agile lark
toxic canopy
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GRAAAAAAAH

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PEAK

toxic canopy
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i support segregation of hedgehogs 🖐️

agile lark
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You're a sick bastard

toxic canopy
agile lark
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Nah nah nah

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Rell is my homie

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Bro's a real one

noble drift
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Rell is the og

agile lark
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^^

noble drift
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I remember his old chiaki pfp

agile lark
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OG TC folk never bite each other in the back

noble drift
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He needed better tastes at that time

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But its okay he recovered

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Just like me

agile lark
noble drift
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Paparell

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I remember that name

deft pulsar
toxic canopy
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fuck u hoe

deft pulsar
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Ahhhhh u mad

toxic canopy
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yea i am 🥺

deft pulsar
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U MAAADDDDD

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AHHHHHHH HE MAAAADDDD

toxic canopy
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i didnt do anything

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this bulling was unwarrented

deft pulsar
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Yea but Hamada is the goat

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He can bully u and get away with it

deft pulsar
noble drift
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Oh god what is this

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I got dizzy for a second i thought rell was speaking to himself

deft pulsar
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LOOL

noble drift
deft pulsar
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It is…..but I still like it….

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I can never publicly say that

noble drift
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Yea

deft pulsar
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I see danganronpa and I look away now

noble drift
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I personally regret very single time i spent with the series

deft pulsar
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The series had me branch out into new things at a time where I refused to
So I cant hate it

Except for that one game

tribal badger
agile lark
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❤️

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@deft pulsar

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You the GOAT

deft pulsar
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YOU THE GOAT‼️

knotty shoal
high schooner
rustic fable
shy turtle
tidal isle
zealous spindle
unique wedge
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This is the peak of Classic character design

toxic canopy
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This is the peak of Classic character design

high schooner
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This is the peak of Modern character design

rapid shuttle
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Bruh, I want to draw her, but im too tired whenever I get back from work

placid kayak
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Yeah sonic superstars was a joke

boreal mirage
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so uh

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should this channel be locked?

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since its been 2 moths and well nobody cared about spoilers

tribal badger
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Honestly yeah

leaden hemlock
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Last message for me here then

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Cheers Trip Coalition

late flint
tribal badger
long orbit