#The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog [SPOILERS]
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the bomb scene is the best
all of the joke options you can choose
and the best part is that the cast just take's barry's word at face value
even when he's very clearly joking
The bomb scene was the funniest, yeah
the second one is the reveal of the mystery
at least imo
just I adored all the jokes with Espio and such
Sly Cooper's origin story (I know they're two separate animals)
the corruption
Time to compile a bunch of scenarios and conceptualize ways to put sonic characters in it for a vn game
Visual novels definetely are a great way to have little stories to enjoy
Have them be in more outfits
I just had a fun idea
i just realized that rouges sunglasses are properly sized to cover her eyes adequately if she chose to put them on
I'd love to see them play with these weird dimension things that eggman has experimented with, could be a mystery/escape type thing.
This entire mini arc thing had something cool going on
Aw yeah, the edgy pmvs have already started
pmvs?
what is a pmv
oh…
Anyway smash
She's like 50
You are correct, she is indeed over the age of fifty
I dont see the problem

better to simp for someone who's actually of legal age rather than a child imo
Facts
Sonic series and making its mom characters sweet asf
(there's only 2 mom's)
Who said she had to be 50! She could be likeee
M*d 40s, much better
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Shes not a mom tho

DANG IT
I FELL FOR IT
Kinda unrelated but I just remembered that sonic canonically died 2 times now, 3 if you count this game (since hes not really dead)
I wonder if the dude has trauma now
Dinning Car
inconsistent hyphen spacing
and why would the name of the game be in the title of every track
They look like theyre always smiling
I was researching these guys earlier today, and there's always a top comment that talks about how the moms will leave their babies to die if a predator attacks

Like... Just enjoy the smile who cares about morbid trivia
Barry the autistic non-binary Quokka
My favourite sonic character right there
Aw hell nah, they're a quokka, that means Barrys australian
Rest in peace
LOL
Barry the Microwave Master should be the main character of the series from now on
3 if you count IDW
This would be the second time his heart just...restarted
Yes im talking about 06 and idw
In murder of sonic the hedgehog he was just knocked out
Barry said he couldn't feel a pulse
And shadow said it was faint, barry just didn't look for it well, he was just knocked out from the poison and from fighting the robot while under the influence of the poison, we was very fucked up but not dead
must suck to be all banged up and everyone just praising him for his acting.
Barry is just a they failure
Everyone else: Man, Sonic's really getting into it!
Meanwhile Sonic: -internal screaming-
In hindsight they were dang lucky the badnik train gave them actual nonlethal poison, or at least poison Sonic was able to walk off with his freakish physiology
What internal screaming mans was unconcious
Espio could have accidentally killed him without knowing
touche
I like to think Barry and Tails remained friends after the story
Yea they stayed in touch through social media
They go to the movies and barry is like "tails...tails..theres a trash can"
Really???
Yeah man, Tails told me himself
yes
Where was that
So...headcanon, Barry has a small crush on blaze, they flippin asked her "can I be ur spouse as a joke jk just a prank"
And Blaze immediately said "idk do you have a history of war crimes"
Girl you are 14
Not anymore
No-one has an age, they're all ageless
The only characters that we know are children are tails,cream and charmy
I was gonna bring up Archie but no
He just
doesn't die there
Knuckles does
But Sonic just tanks universal annihilation like 3 times
Knuckles does a lot in archie
I mean IDW is canon-adjacent, Archie is a different beast
Their age is kids years old
Fr, at this point in time we can assume the other characters are adults
Yeah. Nothing denies it and, at this point, it technically can be due to infinite's dialogue in forces implying Sonic faced eggman for decades
(stupid comment but it is what it is lol)
Let me simp for blaze god damn it!
I interpreted that as an exaggeration
I doubt Sonic is in his 30s
Sonic is like, at max 20
I think teens are just treated like adults
It was intended for us as players, for that the decades thing but I personally prefer if they used something more ambiguous
||What if Infinite had meta awareness during Forces?||
And they're probably just doing pokemon aging
Not even that much I bet, if only because the idea of him being the same age as me is disconcerting I have yet to accomplish anything relevant in my life
I guess the phantom ruby can give that sort of property, albeit it needs to be stablished better in that case
He's in cahoots with Mark Zuckerberg?!
Anyway she slayed
They made it in Unity 3D?
barry the quokka it is
It’s Ramadan bro, astaghfirullah
me waiting for yellowflash2 to make a 30 minute video about how barry uses they/them and how it ruined sonic (he doesn’t give a shit about sonic) 
It's a holy month Pichu, restrain yourself 
most relatable thing about the murder of sonic the hedgehog is Barry's thinking process. I ,too, have a single sonic-shaped braincell running around my brain who has to avoid a thousand obstacles just so i can explain anything properly to other people
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i mean, frontiers had a 10
for a while
The conductor mentioned sonic saving his children at the very beginning of the game lmao
mommy
Peter parker x microwave mary jane
This statement has been redacted by Marvel Entertainment (c).
wait what
If u fail one of the mini games
They say big oof
Should be a reoccurring line just to fuck with people
That happened to me 😭
W
Ain't no way
LMFAOOO
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Imagine just minding your own business and you just randomly start hearing beatboxing
that moment always makes me smile
Someone needs to draw the other characters reaction.
Rouge: my shoes dont have laces does anyone how to tie a knot
Barry: i do but i gotta sing a little song while i do it
Tails: ok veto this plan
Barry: guess someone didnt want to hear my song
Watching Devin macks playthrough of the game and he made Barry sound like jaleel whites sonic LMAO
I'm surprised he can even do that voice, must not underestimate him
My sonic cartoon nostalgia is being hit
Surviving a murder train changes a person
This game is amazing LMAO
Ikr
Also THIS PROVES TO THE MFS SAYING SONIC FRIENDS ARE USELESS
I need more
I gotta see that Sage and Metal dynamic in action some day
Need to see them jump sonic
I love this
p r o f e s s o r p i c k l e :o
indeed
When I designed the conductor, his wife, and Barry, I went in with the intention of going for a Christmas sort of vibe. The Conductor being a mix of Santa and just a big ol’ Christmas tree. The conductor’s wife being like Mrs. Claus. Barry being like santa’s elves lol.
words from the artist
That's cute
Fr
Oh thats fucking adorable
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Sonic… what’s the Wi-Fi password?
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Yeah I know...i realised right after
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WHAT THIS FUCK AJSKAJAJ
Based Katie
😔
at least he went out on a laugh
Lmao
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Ohhhhh this is the artist who drew the Sonic vs Surge comic
ohhhh, mind sharing it ?
When I designed the conductor, his wife, and Barry, I went in with the intention of going for a Christmas sort of vibe. The Conductor being a mix of Santa and just a big ol’ Christmas tree. The conductor’s wife being like Mrs. Claus. Barry being like santa’s elves lol.
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My head canon is that that they’re all from Christmas Island like Sonic lol.
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Really cool note from DeeGeeMin
does he know?
Barry, the conductor, and his wife are all from Christmas Island!
isn't sonic apparently not from christmas island anymore
Don't ruin this for me
too late
Unless they explicitly state that Sonic is from x place or his origin is 100% unknown, I'm still just going to go off Christmas Island for him tbh
that's fair enough
Another head canon. I like to think that the Conductor’s wife works as a chao kindergarten teacher.
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the deep lore
Awww- wait should sonic know or even ask about Christmas Island to him?
i mean, people don't casually bring up where they were born in conversation
and even something like your hometown is something you only tend to tell people when prompted
A MOM AND A TEACHER
Canon in my books
That's fantastic
finally finished it and damn it was a blast
did not expect the whole twist and tone at the end, thought it'd be all a silly game with some misunderstanding but that was pretty nice
yeah the twist is pretty nice
||also idk why I feel bad for the train lmao 😭||
should've expected the flicky to end up in the story, was actually thinking it was a twist villain (guess in a way I was kinda close??)
felt the same honestly
anyways, Barry is cool and the conductor is nice and his wife is neat
||the train just wanted friends
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😔
The train just was programmed with an idea of an eternal friendship and couldnt understand mortality
kinda a sad existence ngl
fr
Making it codependant and having a toxic fallout
eggman out there making more fucked up shit in the end ||and I'm always here for it||
Its honestly pretty real lmfao
A friend that helps the other but the friendship doesnt last and one of them goes insane with the idea that their friendship wasnt forever
God knows that happens everywhere lmfao
this shit being in a silly little april fools, I would never expect
they really went wild with this
Honestly very similar to Black Knight
Murder Team did a bang up job, gooooood stuff
I want them to work on more please
This cant be a one and done thing
said this a lot already, but sega should really take note of tmos' popularity
make more visual novels
hope the success of this makes more stuff like this more likely to happen again
gimme an escape room sonic vn
Barry..
that or it's some convoluted reason why he can't save the day
or do whatever
also the idea of the Think mini-game - I understand if some would find them annoying, personally I enjoyed the concept of them and think the assist options were a handy thing to have
music for the mini-game kinda reminded me of something out of a Shuffle mini-game, sounded a bit familiar
basically, I thought the mini-game was an interesting touch, and it building up to the end was pretty cool
i liked those mini games
even tho obv the asymetric cam didn't helped a lot of people
the moment when the sonic running has a hat now 
not my case cuz i don't have a skill issue
yeah
I liked how some of the obstacles were based on the character you're confronting
clever addition
though it didn't seem Rouge or Blaze got anything like that, in fact their version didn't even show up until the end
which I guess makes sense since most of the activity was the whole egg thing
which was a blast lmao
I like how you can get Tails concerned over playing the slots
until he just gets bored and waits in a corner 💀
BIG MONEY!! BIG MONEY!!
tails doesn't want barry to fall into the same trap he did
he gambled so much that he's banned from the casino
sorta surprised they actually put unique dialogue there
thought it'd just continue looping
details like that I love
playing the dreamgear game in full screen was so weird
if you're looking for the final boss theme: https://youtu.be/luTSyiOIhdU
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Also this is just sonic x jp music
I appreciated the OST, though my favourite would be the DreamGear, Casino Area (and the safe area) along with the music that plays during confronting characters
pretty nice soundtrack overall, especially for something like this
personally my fav track is sonics theme
i love it doesnt matter so much and this being the first game to use it as his theme since satbk made me feel things
it was a nice arrangement
its also a nice contrast from the rest of the ost
a little more upbeat
and really fits sonics role in the story there
THIS IS GONNA SOUND WEIRD
but doesnt sonics theme sounds vagely sonic 3k title screen lmao
Like I know it is sa2 it doesnt matter
But it also has like
Sonic 3k vibes
I get moreso mania vibes from the instruments
I kinda for a second though it was an old MD theme for a bit so I guess I see what you meant
or hear what you mean
That synth specifically feels very mania-ish
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MAKE MORE
Omg a hit tweet as well
W W W W W W W
Damn
1 mil
It's free but still
Considering it's an April Fools game in 1 language only
I may be grandstanding but a sequel is inevitable at this point, yeah?
I would buy 60 dollars for this and more
A 50 hour sonic visual novel with voice acting, long stories, tons of characters
Okay, hear me OUT
I know something that’ll be so ambitious
Predicted in the Gaia Manuscripts 26 years ago…
I love his smug little smirk
sega please just give me sonic rpg
they already did give you one on the DS
it’s the reason why we will never get another Sonic RPG
No it's not
The game has a 7.4/10 on metacritic
It wasn't badly received at the time
And I'm sure it sold decently
It's just that the relationship with Bioware died after EA bought them
And the reason there hasn't been an RPG since?
I think sega just doesnt want to do another one
Well it's the same reason there's no recent fighting game
Sega just doesn't do those sort of spin-offs anymore
Yep
It is kind of a shame tho
I hope murder brings in more stuff like this
Maybe sega outsourcing games
also worth noting if they did another one ST would be very hands on, cos like
I mean
chronicles also started the legal car crash that brought archie to its knees lol
Yeah
I think sega were very hands on with Chronicles too
The only weird thing is really the swat bots
But the rest was very inline with what SoJ cooked in the past for Sonic
thankfully they've also got their ducks more in a row legally when it comes to IDW too, which helps matters
if the IDW would pop up anywhere it's mmmmmost likely an RPG, realistically
See if Boingkid guy was writing for IDW
JB ZDXJSVMK HGF XDRB
Then we'll see sega's legal prowess
But everyone on the writing team is sane now
No Kenders, no Boingkids
had nearly forgotten about boingkid til you brought it up 💀💀

Chronicles is a bit sad because I’m working with a few friends on a lore related sonic thing and it’s kinda eye opening seeing how they tried to tie everything with the echidnas and gizoids together
If only they didn’t try to arbitrarily tease a sequel
maybe then they would’ve been bothered to leave a open door for it 😭
😔
Is this real???
Obviously not
okay but if it was 😭
- fuck you
- fuck Bioware
- they literally have Atlus now, they can try again
I'd be down for another sonic rpg fr
Wait WHAT?
?
Since when?!
You said Bioware
The only funny resetera post
wtf 😭
*61st 🤓
since persona 5
at least
and i mean the original persona 5, not royal
LMFAO
it only just occured to me that this is already at 1/3 of frontiers total sales
Free game = banger
agreed agreed agreed yes yes yes
we need more cool smaller things like this
Yeah, that was a misunderstanding, I thought he said Bioware purchased them lol
ah
D:

Tell her frfr
Knuckles unironically would do that
Not the Jam
Gimme the Jam
Wait mania didn’t do that?
Also I guess this DOES prove that story matters in a sonic game
So we can shut those people up :)
To be fair, The entire point of the game was story
Not to say that story doesn't matter of course, But it's a visual novel
The story matters much more for that kind of genre
both Safe tracks are divine
no amount of flipping will get you out of this situation
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posted this in the music topic but forgot this could count as spoiler-y
Tbf there are only four reviews. Positive ones sure but the number of them is Very low compared to any other game in the franchise that has over 50
Not that this game doesnt deserve the praise. It absolutely does, just it has it higher because the grades are higher and the number of reviews from critics is much lower than the average sonic game at the moment
good, critics cant ruin it
lmfao
@burnt breach

Decided to give this game a try, ended up finding out some of the censors didn't block certain things, creating this lovely screencap
💀
@pure lantern My man
What
The life of a racist…
the racing community is dying....
Indeed
how do I repost
Like this
based
💜Thanks Sega for this(?💜
HD image: https://t.co/h5mW9YyUdX
#ShadowTheHedgehog #amyrose #themurderofsonic #ShadowxAmy #Shadamy
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Crack theory: Sonic orchestrated the events of the entire game so that the train would stop and he could get Amy a cake
I feel like that's a bit over sonic's paygrade but if it jives with you, that's great
That's why it's a crack theory. That's the meaning of a crack theory.
I know, that's why i said if you jive with it, that's great
It's not supposed to be taken seriously
Aizen moment
the sonamy crack is tempting but the side effects are really strong
Legit going into the game I thought Sonic was gonna fake his death specifically to avoid the heat for forgetting to get Amy a cake
i'm more impressed that the bakery could make an ay themed cake on such short notice
those guys are the fastest things alive
unless amy is so popular that they would use her likeness for marketing
shadamy > sonamy
Bakuraka ass ship
Nah
I don't know
I don't like the ship so I don't know the name for it
I actually really liked Bakuraraka back in the day
Idk dude
Though ngl TMOSTH has put me in a rare Sonamy mood
They're too sweet in that game
i think that if i wasn't in the sonic fandom i would've liked their moments
but instead they just made me roll my eyes
Henry likes toxic ships
because all i thought about was how annoying all my friends would be after playing it
Annoying how?
ngl, i see a lot of shipping content in #creative-showcase too, but might be me
LITERALLY LMFAOOO
idc tbh so it doesn't really bother me
thats not an issue really
its the debates
ehhh, i'm glad i dodged all of this, i still think that their moments are cute
oh aight, as i said, that's just me because i don't look at the art channel
WHAT 😭
My reasoning is that sonamy is my NOTP C: simple as that
You can like it ofc thats not a dictation on what you can like 
Shipping be a difficult topic
No wonder david wants to stay away
me, confident in knowing Amy/Tekno is the best ship and that everyone else is wrong
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3
my favorite ship is my flying BMW
5+ years of ownership and we still have a very healthy driver to machine relationship
my favorite ship is S.S. Misery Lil' Lappy
That only good ship ever
Lesbians
lesbians ‼️
happy and free with eachother
gujyhbujvujhju
Im glad you got it
well now I can't NOT post it lmaoooo
LMFAO
YEAAAAAA
Man I wish I can make a good fusion between the 2D art and 3D models of sonic in my art. It makes me jealous and a bit sad ):
You mean like evan stanley
More like what deegee did
I can tell he used the model as reference
I just need my art style for once man
fair enough
sorry if it came across like i was judging you for your ship preferences
sonamy definitely isn't everyone's cup of tea. usually i'm neutral about it too
NAH ITS OKAY
seriously
I get what you mean from the start, im just very feisty about a useless topic like shipping
At the end IF FIND CUTE, ENJOY
shipping is fun to argue about when you know it's in good fun
agreed
and i have shipped some weeeeeird stuff so i am definitely not one to talk
That may have come off as weirder as you actually mean sjxkdkzk
LOL
seems very popular
it's kind of niche but it's got some occasional cute art
and i'm a sucker for enemy ships
Fair enough
i mean
it got popularized
by uh... what's his name already ?
oh yeah, maniac
my favourite ship is the one from jojo part 3
the one that's a stand controlled by an orangutan wearing a captain outfit
(rip in piss😔)
Finally started playing
Bro what the fuck is Tails’ problem I asked him if he wanted a menu and he was like “ohhhh I don’t like reading things from strangers” like dude it’s a fucking menu

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She's so cute here though
why does tails' doing the gangnam style ?
I'd let her kiss me no cap 🙏
Hey so, small confesion
I hadn´t actually played the game for many reasons.........UNTIL NOW
Charming little game. Those were some very entertaining 3 hours
Once again hope Sega has SOA/SOE make more of these in the future
I rate it: ifIhearyounitpickthisgameImstealingsomethingfromyourhouse/10
Also wow, that minigame got hands
Btw, HOW DARE THEY
I though they were finally introducing Honey but it turned out to be some literal whos bee backstreetbois wannabees 
if you thought an april fool's game was going to reintroduce an obscure character, than idk what to say
biggest let down of the century imho
we were so close honeybros 😭
Is she not the m word
mommy? yes.

she's 17
😭

lmao
WTF
Damn no was was able to get bulls eye
Sonic ninja maid 2
#SonicTheHedeghog
#TheMurderOfSonic
funny
?????
😭
Oh hey, Katie got interviewed!
https://twitter.com/KatieChrz/status/1648013557202849792
Its a nice inteview. Rare kotaku W
Kotaku when they discover there's people behind making the video games
It would be nice if we got this dude as writer for sonic related-arcticles more often instead of the usual hacks
Out of context this is a yandere ass moment XD
The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog is one of the unexpected hits of 2023. A game which originally dropped on April Fool's Day, it has won fans for its quirky premise, cute writing, and surprisingly earnest and heartfelt message.
So... why does this thing exist? Why did the decision-makers at SEGA allow a Sonic the Hedgehog social media manager, K...
awww
I Want It That Way (tmos animatic)
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS
Lmao
That’s amazing 😭
YESSSSS
I have the urge to put a cactus on his tongue
because you died 🪦
LMAO
😭
LMFAOOOO
lmfao
LMFAO
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOO
In another world kys has a different meaning lol
LMAO
kiss yourself
I watched Yahtzee’s video and… honestly, what does he even want?
He’s made clear multiple times he doesn’t like the “tonal dissonance” in Sonic games, basically when they’re darker than what he wants.
Then when we get something pretty in line with the tone he expects.. he doesn’t like it? Then what gives? What’s the argument this time? That it wasn’t an edgy april fools joke where Sonic actually died?
He should just give up on this franchise
The fact he did a video on this game fucking sucks
If it’s any consolation, the comment section is in large agreement that the game is good and that it just seems like he’s mad that it was an actual game and not a dumb April fools joke.
Good
Who the fuck is that guy?
I only know Yeezus
Good.
I suppose he doesn't like that Sonic goes beyond dumb hedgehog does dumb things as both Frontiers and TMOSTH, while being different in tones, still try to make these characters charming and loveable without making them a joke
This is merely an hypothesis. I cannot declare if it is the case
"I hate when they take themselves seriously"
gives a light hearted visual novel
"Oh ewww this is an actual game and not actual murder? Get this shit outta my face"
“Sonic shouldn’t even have a story”
yeah it's just bashing a game just for th sake of it
it's a dumb vid
that's about it
Going to Yahtzee for a serious opinion on a videogame is a choice I guess
Oh I was wondering who you guys were talking about, its that dumbass that looks like the PC Master Race dude lol
Yeah I clearly remember his, "critiques" , on Frontiers 
Thats because thats literaly him.
I am a huge fan of Yahtzee's and have been watching him for years, I have seen borderline every single one of his videos and if I haven't and someone says something about it, I go watch it.
You know how some people fall asleep to ambient quiet noise? Yeah? Well my ass falls asleep to my personal 350 (379 as of 7/29/18) video library of Zero Pun...
Damn, these Storytime YouTubers are saturating the market. 🗿
LOLLL
Bro's turned into papyrus
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Oh this one is amazing
He basically said outright that he only reviewed the game because he had a deadline and very little time to meet it. (Don’t recall why precisely, but there was a physical event. Pax?) Doubt he would’ve touched it if he had more time.
surely there are other things to talk about than one reviewer that is disliked
Why is he so hated anyways?
he doesn't like sonic and hs reasons are "sonic is cartoon. cartoon shouldn't be serious"
that's it
most people would just ignore things that make them upset
especially when it's made by people who clearly don't know what they're talking about
Calling a fake murder mystery "serious," much less "too serious," is hilarious
i mean, that was just towards sonic in general
he felt that the murder mystery game not actually murdering sonic was a waste of an april fools joke. i.e he was disapppointed that the april fools joke was just a game and not some hyperexaggerated gag
to each their own i guess
Frankly I won’t defend his reasoning for not liking tmosth. I just want to argue that he isn’t a bad reviewer overall. Again, that video was prefaced with an explanation that it was written in basically a day to meet a deadline.
I mean, he isn't a bad reviewer
he just has certain opinions on things that I can't say I agree with
sonic is one of them
This is complicated and ultimately my opinion on the matter is: “serious sonic stories cannot work because sonic is both a shonen protagonist and a video game protagonist.” A lot of the time it seems like sonic stories with more nuance earn that nuance by de-emphasizing sonic himself, and video games can’t do that when the player spends the entire game as sonic.
Yahtzee isn’t entirely wrong in the argument but his reasoning is shallow, IMO.
I'd say he is entirely wrong, but the reason he thinks as he does is due to his perspective on the franchise
yahtzee has pretty much made it clear that he has no investment in any of the characters. He does not care about them
it's only natural then that it would seem odd that the cartoon animals are having this serious story
but for anyone who's a fan, they're not just cartoon animals
they're characters
They just happen to look cartoonish
I mean, this is true. But that argument begs the question: if nostalgia is ultimately what makes a story work, does the story work? I don’t know if I’m treading into similar territory of people being mad at KH3 for being a sequel, but sonic games aren’t billed as such, so…
I didn't say nostalgia
I said investment
there is a difference
I don't mean that the people are fans over a long period of time
I mean that the people care about the characters as individuals
they're invested in what they do
It's like how a lot of well appraised cartoons start off a bit goofy, but get more serious in later seasons
to an outsider it may not make sense that this cartoon show is taking things so seriously
Ah, I get it.
but for those who care about the characters, it makes sense to them and it's something they want to see
Then modern sonic games aren’t for all audiences, but specifically for people who grew up with, say, adventure?
I wouldn't even say it's like that necessarily
I'd say that as long as the characters resonate with you in some way, you'll likely enjoy the more story based content
I think the sonic movies did a lot of work towards winning people over on that front
prime as well though likely to a lesser degree
obviously, the longer your history, the more you'll care
In general I’m… a bit adverse to investment, conceptually. Mostly due to diving way too hard into certain works earlier, though. Trying to strip that away.
in that same way, I'd say that TMOSTH actually works towards getting you invested in teh characters with a light hearted low stakes story
You don't really need any history of the series to play the game and you spend a lot of time with these characters who are well written
Personally I think TMOSTH did a fair bit to get me re-invested, yeah.
The characters are written in such a way that they are each endearing in their own way
for someone who can't get past the cartoony look, this might be offputting
but for anyone else who gives it a chance, they'll likely understand why it was made the way it was by the end
That's the main reason why I think yahtzee is wrong
not because he can't have his own opinion
but mainly because I don't think it's correct to say that a property can't take itself seriously or have meaningful stories just because it looks a certain way
That's stifling to storytelling as a whole imo
I think he’s agree with you on that, actually. I mean, he liked undertale.
That is a very comedic game with cartoon characters and it makes serious moments really work
I’ll say again, I think the real issue is that some of these characters, sonic specifically, are just… flat.
Sonic is uh. Go fast. Never give up. Not much else.
Like a shonen protagonist. And shonens can get serious, but partly because they de-emphasize the protagonist, which is impossible when the protagonist is glued to the player.
I don't know if I agree with that completely
while sonic is indeed go fast and never give up, there's more to him than that
there's the confidence, the snark, the brashness, the heroism
I mean, yeah, I was exaggerating the problem a bit.
there's a lot more going on with his character even if he doesn't necessarily go through a character arc
sonic is more about how his actions and attitude affect others as opposed to him going on a journey and changing himself
and I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with that
Now that I think about it, sonic being this unmoving anchor actually makes sense, since he’s, uh, the player? In less serious settings especially a static player character is fine because the player is that character in some sense.
i mean i guess, but even outside of the games it works very well
you see it a lot in the comics
I guess I’m just not sold on it.
that's fair
I feel this kinda downplays a lot of the shonen protagonist archetype. Even though they can be simple minded, the stories around those protagonists can give a lot of maturity in their themes and setpieces.
Even someone as simple minded as Luffy in One Piece has a lot of depth to help the readers feel invested. When he gives his hat to Nami in Aarlong Park, how he behaves around Chopper when they meet, his fight with Ussop at Enies Lobby, and many, many more.
Probably. I’m don’t watch much anime, so it seemed a logical comparison.
It is a comparison that only works on the surface. Most shonen protagonist have a lot of depth with their stories and their world. They may act of a certain way that encapsulates them as simple minded, or idiots even in some cases but they have more to them and I don't think Sonic should lose that shonen protagonist style just to fit the 'jaja funny hedgehog' description some people want to give to him
The depth isn’t always immediately obvious in either case. That’s probably what threw me off…
It varies from each media. For example, of the big three, Naruto and Ichigo are the ones who show their depth faster compared to Luffy
(Not that it takes too long for the three. Naruto shows both his usual mischeavous personality and his sad side from the getgo, Ichigo takes a bit but shows his modus operandi as he gets used to his new life as a substitute shinigami,and Luffy shows some of it once he faces an antagonist during any of the arc of East Blue)
Also, modern shonen trends I believe are pointing towards more complex protagonists
Yuji and Denji are the obvious examples
neither of those characters are particularly complex
Hard disagree???
Both of them are fully fleshed-out individuals with consistent goals, hobbies, weaknesses, contradictions, and life philosophies.
Among shonen protags, they are very well-written characters regardless of if one likes their respective series or not.
I'm not saying simple characters can't be fantastic, I just don't think Yuji and Denji fit that label, they have plenty of nuance.
well written =/= complex
keep in mind, I didn't say they were bad characters
I just said they're not complex
I know what you meant, I just disagree
a character having goals, hobbies, weaknesses and an outlook on life doesn't make them a complex character imo
mainly because how would you even have a character without those
even luffy and goku have those
I mean, those by themselves don't inherently make them complex but how they are worked around is what makes them complex in my opinion
and that's my point with yuji and denji. While they are well written, those aspects aren't really dealt with in a complex fashion
Goku for example. His goal is to become strong. It may be a simple goal on paper but if you consider that he's a martial artist, you see he wants to improve in any area he can and see the limits he can reach, causing a certain paradox on a goal that, in essence, is never ending or doesn't have a clear way to reach to said goal. .
except the series never touches on the paradox aspect
it's just goku wanting to be stronger
compare him to someone like saitama who became the strongest but now is in this existential crisis of what he's supposed to do now that he's unbeatable and his struggle to find a challenge
this is something that is actually adressed in the series
When I say simple character I don't mean that you can't find someway to brea things down and make things more nuanced than they're presented
you can do that for every character in existence
I'm more refering to how they are presented in the media itself
characters like luffy and goku are presented as simple characters with very basic motivations
sure you can read deeper and get more and the observations you make wouldn't even necessarily be wrong
but the series isn't interested in exploring that since that's not the point of those characters
if you understand my meaning
Hm except, at least in my opinion, it does.
More particularily the Granolah Arc has some of that thing where Goku wants to become stronger yet doesn't find a proper way of how to grow now that he mastered Ultra Instinct. (The first page is manga #68, at the beginning of Granolah arc). This is brought up again in #83 where he asks Whis about it.
This in Super, for example.
Or in Z, before the Cell games, Goku and Gohan both trained to find a way to become stronger with the Super Saiyan but they do understand that training once more in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber would not give different results than what they could get the first time. Even Future Trunks, who arguably is one of the smartest characters, did not understand that what Goku and Gohan did is better than the 'half states' that Vegeta and him worked on, as they can release bigger charges of power and not suffer the effects of tiredom as hard during a combat.
(Funny like: Master Karin also asks if Goku will ever get satisfied with his powers. He doesn't answer as he wanted to get his point of view on if he could beat Cell with his power)
And like that, there are much more examples that I cannot remember at the moment. Not saying that Goku is the most complex character of all media, that is simply not the case, but he has a certain complexity within his mindset as a fighter that allows him to get better results within his trainings, but also he struggles with other aspects of his mentality, be the Ultra Instinct the epitome of his struggle as his nature as Saiyan makes it much harder for him to find a way to properly control the technique.
And I can think on Luffy too but that's another can of worms lol
Let's just agree to disagree. I think this is just something we don't see eye-to-eye on. I'm not going to be able to convince you, and I doubt you'd be able to convince me otherwise either.
what the fuck is going on in murder of sonic chat
Different Points of View in shonen anime protagonists moment
i'm sorry but... i legit hate super goku
"he has nice moments"
and like... okay ? ig ?
But ngl... That ain't goku
goku's adventures ended 30 years ago
that's the santiago of dragon ball
Manga Goku is not that bad tbh, he's actually nice in there.
At least I find him nice there compared to the anime
Super Goku's weird cuz they made the conscious effort to regress his character growth from the original manga
Probably Toriyama forgot to how to do Goku after 30 years since the manga ended
(wouldn't be surprising considering he can forget things a lot, like the super saiyan 3 being a thing)
He doesn't understand why vegeta meditates
and say it's stupid
San Goku
SAN FUCKING GOKU
that's in the last chapter btw
That was in the movie, the manga changed the dialogue saying that Goku was surprised that Vegeta was meditating
Yeah so basically what you mean is that in the movie that made more than 120 M at the box office he's a dumbass, got it.
well yeah. In the manga, he has other dialogue. There is not much I can say about that in the movie
I'll say an expression in Spanish
No puedo cubrir el sol con un dedo
there
(I don't know if there is an English equivalent of that phrase)
Jeez what argument did I start
I think we can move on past that and just return to hedgehog died game
this game has great dialogue and character interaction.
what else is there to say about this game now
uhhhhhh ummmmm...kity
Nothing really
It was a great game but it was relatively short
Hoping that they eventually continue on it
🙏
I'd like to say that the background art is very charming, along with all the little item images
and yes, I want a sequel to happen or just another take at a VN
1 or 2 of these lil anthological games per year would be rad
absolutely
I'm curious what kinda settings any other game like this would have
Escape Room or a Chaotix mystery seem obvious, though what else kinda story could you make for a Sonic VN
Maybe like the Sonic Channel stories
oooh
would be cool if they adapted isekai ogiri and whatnot
or have sonic channel write a story premise
guys i think he died
also for some reason there's a few instances of hidden F-Bombing in action string data LMAO https://t.co/Ik7rGKAcFr
i apologise for reopening the thread
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Development definitely went smoothly
LMFAO
I just hear gordon ramsay going off reading these
#true-frontiers message it is not. The list was already discovered
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Every year, companies use April Fool's Day as an excuse to pull pranks on their social media, usually in the form of a fake product or announcement. This year, Sega took it a step further than most, releasing a real, playable game based on the idea that Sonic, their beloved mascot, had been murdered. While we were at Sega learning about Sonic Su...
for a second, i thought this was gonna be a "sonic is bad" video lmao
In celebration of this video featuring the awesome @KatieChrz, here's a special TMOSTH Super Sonic and Super Barry! #SonicTheHedgehog #tmosth #sega
↘️ Quoting Game Informer (@gameinformer)
To learn the story behind The Murder Of Sonic The Hedgehog, we sat down with Sega's social media manager Katie Chrzanowski, who explained how the mascot-mu...
THE BOW
also, funny how this confirms that even civilians can use the power of the chaos emeralds to turn super
(wdym i'm looking too much into this ? nah...)
Hasn't that always been the case though?
Most people just can't enter the golden form
ermm isnt tmosth NOT canon 🤓
or did i miss something..
It's not
it can, basically it's headcanon
it doesn't disrupt anything basically, but it's not officaly canon
Ohhhh I get it
Team fortress 2 eviction noti-
HOLY SHIT TMOSTH IS JUST A DIAMOND IS UNBR-
Probably, I don't see why he would not be
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Freelance Artist ★ Min Ho Kim ★The Murder of Sonic (Lead Character Artist) IDW Sonic (Covers, Colors, Interiors), Friday Night Funkin (merch artist), Spark 3, & more ★ [email protected]
The Artist of the game talks about the intent of Sage's shirt and an easter egg to IDW's eggperial city @amber maple
Yeah! I know about these things :3
All of the things here from Deegee’s tumblr mentioned about TMoStH, he confirmed it with me himself
We talked in a VC a couple or so weeks ago
A lot of what’s said here was said to me
So awesome he’s putting it out there :]
but yeah! Sage made the “Lets Go Dad” shirts!
Whelp, if TMOSTH turns to be canon by some fate thing, I guess it would be before Urban warfare
But it's cool to have the detail nonetheless
technically TMoStH is after Frontiers, and until IDW Sonic moves on to do post-Frontiers stories (which they will since Frontiers is going to influence IDW in the future), everything happening right now in IDW is before Frontiers









