Hearts of Iron IV

[errant phoenix]

World Communism achieved

[candid garden]

@bronze rain@icy ether@spark crater@keen edge@signal trellis@silver vale@fresh fern@surreal egret@woeful sun@somber cradle@gray bane@jolly hare pick up hoi4 match?

[surreal egret]

maybe im 10 hours? xD its 2am for me currently

[fresh fern]

let me ask siri

[candid garden]

@lavish sedge

[lavish sedge]

https://discord.com/channels/171035031203086338/407709070246674432

[azure crow]

I'm down lol

[candid garden]

we are only 5 months in will rehost w/ hotjoin

[lavish sedge]

Can I fill a restraining order against @fresh fern?

[keen edge]

hoping to get one more big MP game in before I leave for two weeks for my wedding/honeymoon. anyone interested for Friday or a Saturday game?

[azure crow]

Down for either, would this be a historical game or ahistorical?

[keen edge]

Thinking historical!

[azure crow]

Sounds good, prolly should do the ping and get a day locked down to try and get signups going though!

[warped condor]

<@&984509893920817192>

Gauging interest for the following time slots.
Please react to all times you would likely attend.
Intent is Historical.
All times King approved.

🇦 <t:1726873200:F>
🇧 <t:1726876800:F>

🇨 <t:1726945200:F>
🇩 <t:1726959600:F>
🇪 <t:1726963200:F>

(please note - last two times on Saturday will conflict with S2 Operation)
Will handle sign ups once a time is established.

[gray remnant]

fyi im not gonna be playing in a hoi4 game until im slightly better due to bad experience during the last game i was a part of

[warped condor]

happy to run a practice run or two if you want - I think if you go in with the right mindset and dont pick a major, zero reason you shouldnt play, regardless of how new you are

[gray remnant]

if you could that would be great
i also think it comes down to setting the expectations of the game
like if you want to sweat great just say so
if you want to just chill and have a good time allso great just say so

[warped condor]

agreed completely

[keen edge]

I was thinking about making a short "what to do" for some of the nations for historical games

EX: Canada- make special forces divisions or tanks to help hold Egypt from Italy/Germany and act as a land offensive arm of the commonwealth
UK - Hold Gibraltar, Malta and Egypt at all cost, use navy to dominate Med and Atlantic, Produces a lot of fighters/cas to challenge axis airpower. Dont get sealion
Germany - Do crime

Thoughts on this for newer players to have a better idea/direction what to do from a macro perspective?

@warped condor

[warped condor]

Not a bad idea - but I would hope whoever is playing their sides majors would help them out with this kind of guidance

[rancid robin]

https://tenor.com/view/you-would-think-so-but-no-george-segal-jack-gallo-just-shoot-me-no-gif-16375668

[azure crow]

@warped condor @keen edge another option would be to plunge ourselves into a "Europe Only" scenario, but that would require us to play Horstorical MP mod since it's the only mod with a functional Europe Only scenario atm

[lavish sedge]

I feel like that might be rough on newer players (plus as we've established canada is the superior country

[azure crow]

nobody except @sharp phoenix knows anything about how to play horst lol, we'd all be lost as fuck

[lavish sedge]

Put Aeducan on denmark

But I guess that's fair lol

[azure crow]

same problem if we wanted to play the other MP focused mod Their Finest Bruh, only @olive badge has experience playing that as a real MP game (he told me you also apparently need 20 people to play it properly)

[olive badge]

Yeah 20 is pretty much the bare minimum, you might be able to get away with 17 but people will be suffering during the multiple fronts stage of the conflicts

[hazy creek]

I liked when we just all played one side of the game and it was quite chill. But I am not going to play anytime soon due to being away from my home rig

I think while a summary of what different countries are expected to do is cool, what tends to help me more is to just play a nation a few runs in singleplayer to understand the focus tree better.

Also we need to stop the "you can only play a major if you have 1000 hours in the game" stigma. Tbf the majors are supposed to be the easier countries to play. Ofc they can make or break a multiplayer game but giving the strongest nations to the most experienced players is kinda silly too as anyone playing a minor is just a side wheel.

This whole mindset got me to never actually play a major even in singleplayer because I think I am not good enough. While everyone on reddit tells you to play germany because that's what the game was built around and it's a massive economy that has a lot of room for error

[warped condor]

I can probably just pin me saying "its all about communicating expectations" at this point, but the issue is balance and tempo. Majors have decisions/objectives that impact every other person who has committed to spending often 5 hours of their time, and adjusted their IRL schedules accordingly.

For example:

• If Germany fails to take France, they remain fairly weak and the game is effectively over for everyone else. There is no enemy to fight.
• If Russia fails to efficiently get through their coups/industrialization, Germany stomps them and becomes too large.
• If Japan can't beat China, the US now only has one front to worry about, making them basically invincible.
• If the US is mismanaged and doesn't come to "save thedayan, good chance Operation Overlord fails.

Regarding Majors:

• IMO, it's totally fine if Majors are "newer" players if the'yre all balanced, but they can't be "new" without everyone understanding their 5 hours commitment might result in a "waste of time".
• Majors are "easier" in the sense that they can stomp smaller nations and do have a largwr margin of error for your own experience - but they are 100% more complex, higher tempo, and have the ability to ruin the game for everyone else playing just by missing a decision or making a tactical error.. So reddit is correct (vomit) for single player learning, but not for MP.

(I also like the co-op games where it's the group vs AI, especially when teaching new guys, but a lot of folks get bored of that real quick - especially the ones with a lot of hours)

[keen edge]

Brief what to do as each nation - General direction for each nation: HISTORICAL ONLY

**Allies: **

*UK (Major) *- Hold Gibraltar, Malta and Egypt at all cost, use navy to dominate Med and Atlantic, Produces a lot of fighters/cas to challenge axis airpower. Don't get sealion
USA (Major) - Fix great depression. Mobilize strong navy, airforce and Army with marines and armored divisions (yes you can do all as US) Defeat Japan and bring Freedom to Europe
Canada (Minor) - make special forces divisions or tanks to help hold Egypt from Italy/Germany and act as a land offensive arm of the commonwealth
Australia (Minor) - make special forces divisions or tanks to help hold Egypt from Italy/Germany and act as a land offensive arm of the commonwealth. Do not get naval invaded by Japan
British Raj/India (Minor to Major) - Try to industrialize, fix national spirits, and gain independence. Make line holding division to help hold Egypt from Italy/Germany. Use Divs to protect Eastern part of Country from Japan and do not get naval invaded. Make mountaineer divisions. Produce small navy or sub fleet if able
China (Minor to Major) - Survive and protect ports. Wait for allies to rescue you lol.
Brazil (Minor to Major) - Industrialize and support Allies with breakthough divisions or as needed. Basically can go in whatever direction needed.
*France (Major) *- Industrialize colonies and fix national spirits. Put up a fight against Germany, but have some forces to hold north africa. Assist as much as possible to hold Africa and retake France proper. Use navy to gain control of the Med.

Comintern:

Soviet Union (Major) - Survive. Industrialize and fix broken national spirits. Challenge Axis with INF/Armor/Air. Strong INF DIV

Axis:

Germany (Major) - Do crime via INF/Armor/Air power
*Italy (Major) *- Industrialize. Build strong navy to challenge UK in the Med, and seize control of Egypt, Gibraltar, and Malta with Marines. Assist Germany with Westwall Defense and Barb.
Romania/Hungry/Bulgaria (Minors) - Assist Italy and Germany as needed. Focus on SF/Armored breakthrough units to help naval invade and push Soviets
Spain (Minor to Major) (if allowed by both teams) - Win civil war as quickly as possible, and industrialize. Build sub fleet and help secure Med with Italy and protect Westwall
Japan (major) - Defeat China. Focus on seizing Allies colonial assets to secure more resources. Challenge or defeat US/UK Fleets. protect the home islands

[hazy creek]

Imma gonna play Sweden and make heavy tanks to give to Finland so they can stomp Russia 5/7 plan

[azure crow]

Soviet Union (Major) - Survive. Industrialize and fix broken national spirits. Challenge Axis with INF/Armor/Air. Strong INF DIV
Fix broken national spirits so you can replace them with broken national spirits

[warped condor]

<@&984509893920817192>

🇩 <t:1726959600:F> has won the vote.

Plan is to play Historical. Sign up here Squad Ops HOI4 Sheet when you can.
Follow-on ping to confirm attendance will go out day of.

“We have surmounted all the perils and endured all the agonies of the past. We shall provide against and thus prevail over the dangers and problems of the future, withhold no sacrifice, grudge no toil, seek no sordid gain, fear no foe. All will be well. We have, I believe, within us the life-strength and guiding light by which the tormented world around us may find the harbour of safety, after a storm-beaten voyage.”

   —Winston Churchill. Chateau Laurier, Ottawa, 9 November 1954

[somber cradle]

Hey I am going to start up a "fuck around" type multiplayer game if anyone is interested not serious all do whatever the heck you want

Ill sit in lobby for like 15min and leave hot join on

Mods: Player-Led Peace Conferences
Server ID: 90201918622404617
password: ops9136

checksum: 3f26

[keen edge]

<@&984509893920817192> reminder we have a large mp game tomorrow starting at 7PM EST. we have 17 interested so far

[bronze rain]

17? Holy smokes.

[keen edge]

you responded you have to play now

[bronze rain]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-got-time-anything-else-han-solo-gif-13593677

[fresh fern]

is there a canada playrr

[fresh fern]

can you put my name on canada im not home

thank you!

[sharp phoenix]

50/50 on me being able to come. Army go brrrrr

[keen edge]

thats fake news Hoi4 is more important

[sturdy cave]

I'll take Germany

[keen edge]

https://tenor.com/view/yep-yes-yes-yes-sir-yess-yes-gif-16923503350638993772

[keen edge]

less than 2 hours

https://tenor.com/view/gollum-angry-tlotr-the-lord-of-the-rings-gif-12675732461961924082

[fresh fern]

@clear locust

[keen edge]

@warped condor are you hosting?

[warped condor]

Yeah I will

[keen edge]

<@&984509893920817192> we are assembling!

[fresh fern]

i can be there in like 30 mins

[lavish sedge]

Here in like 10

[surreal egret]

im gonnaa have to pull out (giggity) not feeling the best rn, i was only down as low proirity minors anyways, hope it doesnt effect thing too much!

[keen edge]

@woeful sun @candid garden @rich forum @gray remnant @sharp phoenix @misty ibex @spark crater

Get in here

<@&984509893920817192> GET IN HERE

[mortal remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[keen edge]

@somber cradle @signal trellis

A worthy battle

[somber cradle]

my airfield was overfload in taiwan and I didnt notice to xD

I had like 500 naval bombers on it then a bunch of other shit and didnt upgrade the airport big RIP

but yeah I fucked up big lol

[keen edge]

I hate when I do that LMAO

[somber cradle]

that Brazil Ally is OP though holy fuck its like basically having 2 USA economies its nutz xD

[warped condor]

@keen edge @sturdy cave

[somber cradle]

proably shouldnt be allowed unless you have a full AXIS line up (Spain, Hungray, Romania, Germ, Italy, Finland)

[mortal remnant]

The Regno del Sud never lost a battle

Dozens of British capital ships

and the entire Polish, Greek, and Brazilian navies

[keen edge]

Yea needed more players but was still a good game. GG all!

[mortal remnant]

all sunk to the bottom of the Med

[fresh fern]

canadian tanks went crazy

[mortal remnant]

canadian tanks didnt even do much

twas just CAS superiority

and convoy raiding

Oddball didnt build ANY fighters

[fresh fern]

i literally melted your death stacks lmao

[mortal remnant]

when I showed up he had 10 factories on dogshit Navs and nothing else

[fresh fern]

only reason it slowed down is cuz i ran out of tanks

[ancient burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/toystory-aliens-gratefull-gif-5252972

[mortal remnant]

no, CAS did lol

[ancient burrow]

You do realise I dont know wtf im doing right?

[mortal remnant]

ur tanks got stomped by 12 widths

[fresh fern]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[lavish sedge]

Agreed although to be fair I didn't do shit lmao

[mortal remnant]

the only reason they had any armor bonus was cus there were a bunch of militias that have locked templates lol

[lavish sedge]

Don't think brazil should be allowed to go US of SA at all tbh

[mortal remnant]

again, CAS go brrr

[mortal remnant]

agree with that tbh

Brazil in WW2 is canonical

annexing all of SA is not

[lavish sedge]

I went from like 80 factories to 200 with just annexes

[mortal remnant]

Aeducan whined about it too

[lavish sedge]

then built up to like 330

ye brazil should just send a couple marines, air force, navy that's it

tfw brazil is sucking up all the aluminium

[mortal remnant]

But yeah @fresh fern the only person I've ever seen here that made good tank divs is Aeducan

he was straight up right clicking w/out air sup and taking tiles

[mortal remnant]

was this a historical template btw

[lavish sedge]

annexing the fkn ai

[mortal remnant]

I was trading 3:1 against them with like

1/3 the planes

[lavish sedge]

I don't think so it was the american ones

[mortal remnant]

I mean it was terrible whatever it was

[lavish sedge]

I didn't do air research cuz it wasn't going well for the axis

[mortal remnant]

at least for current meta

[lavish sedge]

tbh I have like 0 air doctrine

so if you were fighting a mid design manned by a country with 0 air doctrine/bonuses

I get that

[mortal remnant]

truly baffling

[mortal remnant]

maybe cus no air designer?

idk that is a perfectly fine plane

weird

[lavish sedge]

that's like the one AR i saw contact in

I also had complete shit efficiency

[mortal remnant]

how

[lavish sedge]

yikjes

[lavish sedge]

shit supplies I guess

[keen edge]

US traded very well. Think it was probs no air designer and doctrine

[lavish sedge]

ye most likely

[mortal remnant]

I mean I was deleting Aircobras that had US flags on them

who was throwing like 1k planes in the Med

[lavish sedge]

I hope italy enjoyed destroying the combined south american fleets

that the AI graciously gave me

[mortal remnant]

I was not

Oddball had "sub killers" but no catapult and no radar

[lavish sedge]

this navy started at like 150

[mortal remnant]

which is to say we had no way to counter Sub IIIs

[lavish sedge]

rip

sub IIIs are a bitch tbh

[mortal remnant]

I was working with some truly artisticallycreative

historically authentic

Spaghetti

IDK

Subs are not good anymore

if you ask me

proper nav strike planes

[lavish sedge]

.............

[mortal remnant]

evaporate subs in anything but deep ocean

and once you get A2G radar no sea zone is safe from Torp 2

[lavish sedge]

ye NAV is still meta

[signal trellis]

It was 23 days from being nuked...............

[lavish sedge]

I was afraid germany was going for that when they were holding off on deployment

[mortal remnant]

which again

cannot fathom

why US went hard on Subs

IMO CL/CA spam is probably the curent nav meta

[lavish sedge]

my dockyards spent the entire time spamming that

[mortal remnant]

JP kinda hosed rn because of surf torp being bugged

[mortal remnant]

terrible

having more than 1 depth charge slot is a waste

[lavish sedge]

no shits given those were just a meme

I was also building the fkn dockyards with -40% construction speed 😂

literally never took this cuz it would have cucked me from integration

[mortal remnant]

@ancient burrow I gave you the researches you needed to do

Im not going to pretend like you made a good build

nobody said HOI was easy

[lavish sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-goose-dancing-duck-meme-duck-dance-eminem-duck-dance-eminem-goose-dance-gif-18910181

[mortal remnant]

Italy is a tutorial nation because it has everything

in 1 screen

so it gives you a taste of everything

w/out having to click on notifications

As a MP country

it is very hard

because you have to actually build up logistics

which like

95% of nations dont have to do

IMO the best way to learn the game is watching one of the HOI content creators do an unedited build

to learn what techs are good, the general gist of how divisions work

[lavish sedge]

hard to find vanilla ones tbh

at least up to date ones

[mortal remnant]

and then you can learn the sweaty MP stuff from the MP games

[lavish sedge]

except if you straight up go for tutorials but those are usually very much not meta

[mortal remnant]

was raff the person I was fighting way back when as Japan vs Raj

because that was miserable

every time the fighting stopped he instantly started digging

I could hear the shovels

I went to micro Indonesia then I come back to see a line of forts

every time

so many brave Japanese died for 10 ft of mountains

[ancient burrow]

HOI sign up sheet - Romania historic focus tree guide says to do "Appoint Pro-Allied Government"

[warped condor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_Romanian_coup_d'état

yeah bit of a toss up for MP. that is the correct historical playthrough decision for Romania in the fall of 1944 - but if the Axis are still holding on/winning, I would think they stay with the axis

all of those focus tree lists are just the historical guides for folks

[hazy creek]

Yep that path lets you insta flip to allies via decision when the time comes

[azure crow]

On October 14th, 2024, the People's Republic of California and 16 other states will celebrate Indigenous People's Day, and I figure it will be as good a day as any to play another big <@&984509893920817192> historical game, since we can most likely start at a truly EU friendly time. However, there are a couple things I would like to sort out well in advance.

Mods - There are several mods that are relatively high quality and geared towards a historical multiplayer experience, but the two I think we might benefit from are:

1. Horstorical MP
   Advantages:

• Templates pre-set up in a functional way, no need for new people to worry about making good templates (plus there's a button you can just push to get a good template when you unlock new division types)
• Very well optimized (game will take only 5 hours)
• Has a Europe only scenario in case we don't actually get a lot of people to show up
• Simplified focus tree without ahistorical options
  Disadvantages:
• Comp sweat mod with balancing changes we don't understand
• Only @sharp phoenix has actually played it
• AI is nonexistent, no way to really practice it
• Restricts

2. Their Finest Bruh
   Advantages:

• Better balanced for good MP experience
• AI gutted to improve performance, most small AI nations can be annexed into larger ones via decisions in order to balance the game better
• Simplified focus tree without ahistorical options
• AI is decent enough that you can run a
  Could go either way:
• Nobody knows how to play it
  Disadvantages:
• Arcane and strange mechanics that only exist within the mod (for example, you get 4x the factories and can build them 4x easier but they do 1/4 of what a normal factory does)
• Requires 15-20 people minimum to play to actually be good
• Only a bit more optimized than vanilla

3. Vanilla
   Advantages/Disadvantages:

• It's vanilla Hoi4
• You've all experienced the advantages and disadvantages of this.
  Please react below with 1️⃣ for Horstorical, 2️⃣ for Their Finest Bruh, and 3️⃣ for vanilla Hoi4

Start time - We can start basically whenever on the 14th after 8:00 AM PST (When I wake up) Please react with the appropriate emoji to the start time(s) you could make:
🅰️ <t:1728919800>
🅱️ <t:1728927000>
🇨 <t:1728934200>
🇩 <t:1728941400>
🇪 <t:1728948600>

[lavish sedge]

We need to figure out a way to balance teams better than last time for sure.

[azure crow]

Yeah I have a plan for that too

It involved google forms

the almighty tool of the teacher

but first I must determine the mod lol

and the time

and the playercount

[lavish sedge]

Well

I shall trust the almighty tool then

Can Katti play every axis country at once? That way they'll all do the build she wants (joke pls dont gut me)

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> apologies for double ping but don't forget to do reacts for both the mods and the time, it's important!

[mortal remnant]

I’m not good enough to have builds for nations I just have a baseline Ops “don’t get stomped to paste by @sharp phoenix baseline”

[lavish sedge]

I don't think we should play horstorical then 💀

[azure crow]

otoh horst will literally make your templates and vehicles for you

[lavish sedge]

templates are far from being the only thing tho

micro + ideas + balance changes we don't know + proper general farm + no way to train = advantage to experienced players

everyone can google "hoi4 2024 meta tank build" tbh

"dankus memecus ESPORT 2000 BREAKTHROUGH TANK"

[azure crow]

dankus plays TFB though lol

or some variation of it I think

[lavish sedge]

I don't even know lol haven't watched him in forever

[ancient burrow]

A game this Friday or Saturday would be good.

The Horst mod sounds decent from your summary, I don't mind learning to play that if its got them advantages over vanilla.

[azure crow]

we could definitely do an ahistorical learning game this weekend as well, probably immediately after session 1 or something

[ancient burrow]

Confused Romanian

"Designed by Local Development"

[fresh fern]

hey the romanians created the p38 buddy

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> Closing the polls on both this vote and the mod vote in 22 hours and 13 minutes. First past the post voting is in effect, in the event of a tie I'll flip a coin. Google form for full signups and balance will go out tomorrow at or around the op time.

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> The people have spoken; the game will begin at <t:1728934200>. Since there was a tie between Their Finest Bruh and no mod, the sensible solution is to let the signups decide. In the unlikely event that 20 or more people fill out this form within the next 7 days, we'll run their finest bruh. If not, we run vanilla. As for the signup form, here it is:
https://forms.gle/saSGRfXfA1o33gcf6

In order to try and balance the teams better, what I plan to do is to keep this form open for about a week, and then draft a provisional roster of players and countries using it.

I'll then post the provisional roster and we can discuss further.

[warped condor]

Filled out your census survey. I expect my PII and sexual kinks to remain secret.

[surreal egret]

Did you not read the small print?.... Yikes.. 😬😬😬

[lavish sedge]

No France? Too bad, FESTERING SHITHOLE would have been fitting...

[azure crow]

france too likely to ruin the game, tbh I shouldn't have put poland on there either lol

[lavish sedge]

I was memeing, but yeah, without a rule forcing france to pull out it'd suck

[bronze rain]

As long as King doesn't play Poland, I think we're fine.

[sharp phoenix]

This is during the work day?

[azure crow]

Yeah but it's a federal holiday

[versed knot]

I’ll be WFH that day (NYSE doesn’t observe unfortunately) so I will be TBD on attending. If I can I’d run Hungary.

[sharp phoenix]

Yeah, but not for me

[hazy creek]

I'd totally play broland and go into exile

[rich forum]

i was gonna exile you from europe either way

[signal trellis]

Since I had to have an answer for every row, I bumped Bulgaria up one and kept Canada as my festering shithole

[azure crow]

lol

[hazy creek]

Sounds great. I will try to sneak into Canada in a month

[hazy creek]

I just found out I can just with my passport

[warped condor]

<@&984509893920817192> if anyone is interested in a more casual game (or a learning session), I'd be down to host one tonight around<t:1727485200:t> <t:1727485200:R>

[errant phoenix]

Can we play Equestria at War

[warped condor]

under no circumstances.

[errant phoenix]

Come on it is better then the base game

[warped condor]

please seek help.

[sharp phoenix]

I put australia as everything 😂

Don’t change the fact that this is 2 games in a row that I cannot play because they’re in the middle of the day 😢

[azure crow]

Just late join as coop on a major smhmh, I'm sure we'll only be at like 1938-39 by quitting time EST

but also I'd be down to run a game either tomorrow or sunday

@sharp phoenix

that or next weekend

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> on that subject, anyone want to play an ahistorical/learning game after the op this morning?

[errant phoenix]

I am down

[mortal remnant]

EaW is probably the most true to HOI’s ethos mod on the workshop. Keeps the arcade aspects, doesn’t absolutely go off the deep end on lore, and doesn’t give a shit about naval, just like the base game

The other would be R56, but that didn’t get its code added to the base game now did it

IMO the problem with EaW is that it’s like largely built around regional conflicts, so it’s less grandiose than WW2

[errant phoenix]

so true!!!!!

only mod that focuses on gameplay

[mortal remnant]

I mean, if you call gameplay being vanilla esque

[errant phoenix]

true

[mortal remnant]

EAW has one of the weaker gameplay loops

It’s the most put together and competent mod on the shop

[errant phoenix]

I think Equesteria itself is pretty boring

[mortal remnant]

But it doesn’t really focus on creating a new game a la black ice

[errant phoenix]

Griffionia which is mainly what I play the most starts off with all the countries scattered and they slowly fight or combine into larger nations that slowly gets to the point where there are only 2-4 major powers there or a grand coalition which usually ends a large war

[mortal remnant]

I haven’t really played it much since NSB dropped but I’ve always found that most wars feel like fighting in Europe

With fighting and taking ground being really easy especially against the AI

So imo for multiplayer what essentially happens is once these regional wars end and ppl fire off the big end game war it’s like bashing your two action figure armies together and then it’s more or less decided based on who made the better build off the bat

[errant phoenix]

there is also Zebrica which is still new and not very developed which focuses smaller regional conflicts

[mortal remnant]

They don’t seem to have a unified power

For the equestriancontinet the changelings eat the whole thing

[errant phoenix]

it is kind of meh for multiplayer but I would say it is pretty well balanced

[mortal remnant]

For griffon the empire does that

[errant phoenix]

like 50/50 Aquelia usaually beats empire

[mortal remnant]

But imo the continents are all so big and stuff that it feels like amorphous map blob eats other amorphous map blob

Very few nations truly feel like they’re defined by geography and geopolitics

They all give off the vibe of “we drew the line on the most border esque land feature / river”

[errant phoenix]

I definitely agree with Griffionia I think Zebrica is a lot better in that regard

[mortal remnant]

Even if it just makes a weird scraggly blob every time

[mortal remnant]

I mean even the equestrian continent feels that way

I agree zebra land feels more thought out

And has more tough terrain too which is nice

Feels a bit dumb since everyone there is like practically Stone Age in technology

[errant phoenix]

Griffionia is just a battle royal tbh which is fun but you are really just map painting most of the time

[mortal remnant]

No volunteers restrictions means you can just roll up with high end tank divs or mountaineers and ROFL stomp as a developed country

I like when I can track my divisions and their stories

I hope they unfuck paratroopers soon since I always liked making the 101 and 82

But paras are really gimmicky rn so like eh

I might try frontline para in a MP at some point that might be fun

[rancid robin]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-omg-gif-26798564

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> I'm gonna run an ahistorical madness game starting (barring the op running long) promptly at <t:1727551800>

late joins will be on but naturally the AI will dictate your path

[gray bane]

in which VC?

[ancient burrow]

postpone till top of the hour due to op?

[azure crow]

if not longer lol

[azure crow]

community game

op round 1 just ended, round 2 yet to begin

unless we get either owned or win fast expect start time to be ~1hr from now

[ancient burrow]

Works for me, on tarkov so just grab me when ready.

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> assemble!

@errant phoenix come join the madness

90202135075712030
PW: ops1936

[surreal egret]

is this the planned game or an ad hoc one?

[azure crow]

ad hoc and ahistorical

90202135241195550

ops1936

[lavish sedge]

are we using player led

[azure crow]

yup!

[lavish sedge]

gotcha

[ancient burrow]

LAST ORDERS DING DING DING

https://tenor.com/view/monon-depauw-wabash-bell-gif-7219871

[errant phoenix]

sorry I will not be able to make it

[mortal remnant]

"Ethiopia is traditionally Italian" - @silver vale

live adis abbabba reaction

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[somber cradle]

Yugo killed 4mil valiant defence

250k casualties cause of the *** GREAT OFFESNIVE ***

[lavish sedge]

Finally a germany dlc (from the looks of that thumbnail)

[fresh fern]

chat is this real

[lavish sedge]

no

you're banned from sweden

[fresh fern]

utah

[lavish sedge]

youtaha

[fresh fern]

viva le france

[lavish sedge]

you absolute fucking mongrel it's vive la France I'll have you know, how could you botch this Vucqt, HOW COULD YOU? It's not HARD you MONKEY. VIVA IS SPANISH FRENCH ISN'T SPANISH omfg I can't believe you would do this

Actually seething rn

you know what

that's it

you're banned from Paris

[fresh fern]

settle down okay

[lavish sedge]

no

https://tenor.com/view/roman-reigns-mad-seething-fuming-angry-gif-22863520

[fresh fern]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-grimes-gif-21585167

[lavish sedge]

stop crying bby I unban you :'(

[fresh fern]

have you played squad 44

[lavish sedge]

no

[fresh fern]

i just bought it then played it for 14 minutes

i also just refunded it

[lavish sedge]

why

[fresh fern]

the game is so ass lmao

[lavish sedge]

??

as if you could tell from playing 14mn

imagine playing 14mn of Squad or HOI4 and being like "this is ass"

[fresh fern]

i couldnt even get to the front because arty would snipe me in my spawn

[lavish sedge]

what kind of arty

mortars or command arty?

[fresh fern]

i dont know

dawg i have 14 minutes lmao

[lavish sedge]

the exact same shit happens in squad smt

[fresh fern]

no it doesnt

[lavish sedge]

?? yes it does

[fresh fern]

squad>squad 44 all fucking day

[lavish sedge]

step 1: build mortars
step 2: locate enemy hab
step 3: shoot hab with mortar

that's a team issue not a game issue lol

if anything habs have way less HP in squad 44 and will die to mortars quicker, whereas in squad it's common for ppl to keep spawning on a hab that's getting mortared lmao

just spawn somewhere else

[fresh fern]

cod ww2 is better than that shit

[lavish sedge]

💀

you're blocked

[fresh fern]

👍

[lavish sedge]

geoguessr > squad

[fresh fern]

on god

war thunder > every single game on steam

[lavish sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/blocked-block-you-blocked-blocking-gif-14145534

[rich forum]

That’s literally the same as squad

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> 7 days have passed and 16 people filled out the signup sheet! That being said, only 8 or so RSVP'd as (more or less) definitely being able to make the selected timeslot on the 14th. In the interest of having as many participants as possible, I now ask @gray bane @bronze rain @warped condor @candid garden @keen edge @signal trellis @ocean lichen and @olive badge if they would have any objections to moving the game to 24 hours earlier, which is to say <t:1728847800>? (You can just DM me)

I would also be curious to see what percentage of the other 8 people who filled out the form could make it if we moved the game 1 day earlier, so @misty ibex @spark crater @surreal egret @lavish sedge @sturdy cave @sharp phoenix and @mortal remnant please react with a ✅ if you would be more likely to make it at that timeslot and a ❌ if you would be less likely to make it at that timeslot.

For all of you to consider, I have the teams I drafted using your forms:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tp1dLV3bk6r4LF9Tvd7Q29XPAVtw3SPjPvM0iJ03Ik8/edit?usp=sharing

I made two versions each for the worst and intermediate case scenarios and one for the best case of all 16 people attending (17 if you count spy's nephew)

I think the worst of those rosters in terms of balance is the alternate worst case scenario roster

I tried to honor everyone's preferences and give them a country they at least said they would enjoy playing

[surreal egret]

I am unable to say for definite due to work rota, will let you know as soon as I do @azure crow , for now, enjoy a dancing doge reaction

[lavish sedge]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3152780/Expansion__Hearts_of_Iron_IV_Gtterdmmerung/

Steam

Expansion - Hearts of Iron IV: Götterdämmerung

Build the industrial and research foundation to survive the world’s greatest conflict In Hearts of Iron IV: Götterdämmerung. In this expansion, players can write new histories of Germany, Austria, Hungary and Belgium. Pursue exciting new research and military options, opening new paths for devastating new weapons and dramatic raids on strategic ...

Price

$36.99

Release Date

Nov 14, 2024

▶ Play video

New focus trees for germany, austria, hungary and belgium, revamped research ("special projects", you gotta build research facilities and stuff), new raid mechanics (as in Dieppe kind of raid, including raiding enemy research facilities), new map visuals, AI overhaul stuff, revamped nuclear war, revamped urban combat

New country pack coming Q1 2025 as well for Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran and Raj

[rich forum]

how dare you remind me of dieppe

[surreal egret]

37 for a dlc!? fuuuuuuck right off

i dont even buy full games for that much if i can avoid it

[woeful sun]

yeah that's a hefty price

i'll probably pick it up when i get to tech school anyways lol

[lavish sedge]

It's not the price of 1 dlc

it's the price of the dlc + the next country pack (dlc) + unit pack + music pack

DLC will be individually priced like the previous ones at release, this is just a package @surreal egret @woeful sun

this is what you get for 37 bucks

[azure crow]

afghanistan focus tree
Guaranteed to be cancer lol

[lavish sedge]

Especially if they do the same style of FT as they did for south america..

35 days focus to core the entirety of central asia

I'm guessing there's gonna be a bunch of mughal/persian larping

definitely happy to see a raj rework tho

[azure crow]

If there's no communist path in the Germany focus tree rework I will riot

I am tired of monarcho-communism

[lavish sedge]

that's all we know for now

[bronze rain]

I wonder how that will affect the allies/USSR, if at all.

[lavish sedge]

Honestly, if Raj gets a brazil style focus tree when it comes to industry, it's gonna buff the shit out of it

I'm guessing it's gonna sway in favor of the axis once the germany dlc comes out, and shift back towards the allies once raj gets its focus tree

iran/iraq/afghanistan shouldn't be too much of a deal if playing historical

I mean, maybe iraq will get like 100 german fighters, yeepee

[azure crow]

Lol Nazi factionalism???? That's gonna be so funny

[lavish sedge]

definitely lol

it also looks like Austria is getting a European Federation in its tree

[azure crow]

more research reworks?

[lavish sedge]

what in tarnation is that

yeah you gotta build research facilities for special projects now, and those can get raided in the new raid mechanic

also reworked nukes and urban warfare

[azure crow]

P-1000 road decorator/bridge anihillator/target practice for allied fighter-bombers

[ancient burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-attack-rat-attack-have-at-thee-gif-11648161592664583090

[lavish sedge]

why does it look like a fucking Hydra tank from marvel shit 😭

[ancient burrow]

Because Hitler

[lavish sedge]

Hitler has vibranium confirmed

[woeful sun]

that sounds much better

[signal trellis]

From what I remember, the plan was to take the turret from a damaged or incomplete battlecruiser and put it on a massive tank chassis. Designs of it were made but it obviously never went into production and the turret was used as a coastal fortification in Norway.

This thing was designed to have 308mm main guns with 120mm secondary and 88mm tertiary guns and batteries. It had multiple 20 and 37mm FLAK guns for air defense. Supposedly there was also talk about it housing other tanks and halftracks inside and being able to deploy them. Needless to say, Nazis+Meth=whackfuck tanks.

[rich forum]

https://tenor.com/view/east-germany-germany-flag-ddr-gif-18102774

[gray bane]

what do you think inspired marvel Hydra shit?

[rich forum]

i thought hydra were nazis

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> @bronze rain @gray bane @signal trellis @warped condor @candid garden @keen edge @mortal remnant @ocean lichen @olive badge @misty ibex @spark crater @surreal egret @lavish sedge @sturdy cave @sharp phoenix Officially making the decision to move the game to <t:1728847800>

[sturdy cave]

very good

https://tenor.com/view/fly-insect-bug-evil-plot-gif-5650927

[rich forum]

lets go, i couldnt make the 14th because thats Thanksgiving day

[errant phoenix]

Would like to sign up cannot fill out this form

[azure crow]

Whoops I linked the wrong form!
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd8cykyOKDCMAaJfqD4NmmR1m3SO95wUoJGUvxmB5Z1UUoHsA/viewform?usp=send_form

<@&984509893920817192> Sign up there ^^^^^ New date/time is <t:1728847800>

[errant phoenix]

Filled out

[rich forum]

@azure crow what mods are a maybe for the game, just wanna know so i can get used to them a bit

[azure crow]

To be honest if all 18 people actually show up we may have to run Horstorical MP or Their Finest Bruh purely for performance reasons

Hoi4, for reasons unfathomable to me, does not allow for dedicated servers

P2P mp only

[bronze rain]

Did you want those who confirmed we could make it to sign up again? The form says I have already submitted it, but can edit.

[azure crow]

Only if you're unable or unlikely to make the new time!

So far it looks like shifting it 24 hours earlier has netted the game +- 4 more people

[sharp phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-26317296

[azure crow]

I take that back, now we're up to net +8

[azure crow]

if everyone shows up that's actually 22

which would be uh

we would definitely need to run TFB or Horst

or the game would take all day

[sturdy cave]

please pick a mod so we know.

[stuck bear]

@azure crow i can play in that game on the 13th so change my mark lol bears play at like 830 am cause it's a london game

[azure crow]

wooooooooo

@sharp phoenix does spot optimization actually do enough to make vanilla playable or are we doomed to play a 12 hour game without a more MP focused mod mod

[azure crow]

Yeah I'm gonna make the decision today, since everyone will still have 7 days to prep

[ocean lichen]

bit needy aren't you

[sturdy cave]

pot calling the kettle black

[keen edge]

I’ll need some practice if we do the MP mods lol

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> having taken a look at both, and having had a chance to hop in and try it out today, Horstorical MP https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1756277582&searchtext=horst will be what we use, so long as it gets updated by the day of (it currently is functional but not as stable as I would prefer due to being slightly out of date). The mod has a number of advantages over vanilla, including:

1. Buttery smooth performance, I watched a 12 player Europe only game run to 1939 in an hour
2. Easier for new players (division templates are pre-made to be effective and you can make good new templates with a simple decision button)
3. Focus trees are almost the same as vanilla, just with severe ahistorical paths removed (small deviations are still possible for majors and some minors can be flipped to a different ideology at player discretion)
4. The mod does not add an insane/annoying amount of new things to make with factories or totally change how economy stuff works (looking at you Their Finest Bruh)
   In the event that horst is not updated, we will use this mod set that will hopefully help a bit with optimization:
   https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3344392092?
   (FPS Map, player led peace conferences, SOO Optimization, and host tool)

Important notes for specific people in the likely event we wind up doing horst:
@keen edge spanish civil war is scripted, so you don't have to worry about it but if you take particular pleasure in playing it then F
@rich forum in horst there is no communist path for Finland, but on the other hand I believe that it is impossible for the USSR to actually fully annex you in the winter war (you always get to fight in the continuation war)
@signal trellis China is not playable in horst

Current planned rosters for various scenarios:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tp1dLV3bk6r4LF9Tvd7Q29XPAVtw3SPjPvM0iJ03Ik8/edit?gid=711297529#gid=711297529

if we do wind up with like only 12-13 people we can probably just do vanilla, and I'll shuffle myself off france and a few others around

but it's overwhelmingly likely that we wind up with closer to 20

[sharp phoenix]

1 Major disadvantage that's also an advantage is because it runs so fast you are ALWAYS doing something, even on minors. Especially with most minor's having almost all 35 day or less focuses

[sturdy cave]

tfb is bruh

bruh should be respected

[azure crow]

tfb also adds like 10 new equipment types and totally changes all the focus trees lol

[keen edge]

They optimized the fun out of the fun I had optimizing Spain from minor to major RIP

[sturdy cave]

bruh would never do that to you

[azure crow]

don't worry all generals come pre-grinded so you don't lose out on that sweet sweet XP

and templates are free

(naturally, XP gain is reduced to compensate)

[sand raft]

Bruh better

[keen edge]

Wait so I don’t fight at all? It just runs on its own and I just prep to join WW2?

[azure crow]

exactly

[keen edge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-gif-8554249452926903742

[azure crow]

if we had 20 people who all put themselves down on the survey as 7 or higher I'd agree, but we just don't got the bodies for that much micro

[sand raft]

just look up templates

[keen edge]

I’ll run some practice AI games when I’m back in the states to try it out.

[keen edge]

Newer folks don’t do that

Isn’t all terrain changed to 20 width for this?

[azure crow]

yeah so basically you just make everything 40w

right @sharp phoenix ?

[keen edge]

If it’s 20 width then it shouldn’t be 40 or you’d get an overstack penalty

[azure crow]

all I know is I was told to make 40w or I would get owned, I did as I was told

[keen edge]

Interesting

[mortal remnant]

40w only?

why

[azure crow]

@keen edge @mortal remnant okay so I looked into it and that's something in their ruleset, we can try allowing other CWs and see how it goes lol

I have no idea why they mandate 40

[keen edge]

I feel like if it’s 40w v 40w then nothing would happen on the frontlines unless you have CAS or armor

Not opposed to any of this. Just changes a lot of the game for a lot of folks. But could be good or bad who knows until we try it

[azure crow]

Yeah I'm tempted to just not bother with their ruleset and use our standard one, then see how things go lol

for all I know they don't even change CW from vanilla on the tiles

the other big thing that changes is naval, you have limits on the size of your individual fleets based on the 'command power' (not the same as the main resource) required for each individual ship

so no doomstacking 500 destroyers and then murdering the enemy with it, you need to actually build realistic fleet comps

[sharp phoenix]

The rule isn’t there to be overbearing in horst. ALL tiles are changed to 80 width with 40 width additional combat width. So 40 is the IDEAL combat width ALWAYS (except specific meta case where it’s 10). If you use anything other than 40, you will lose every battle. The mod is balanced around 40s. The “rule” is there to “prevent noobs from making dumb mistakes” -(not me that’s the toxic horst community @azure crow can attest to)

Tbc not defending them or their rules. Just 40w or die in horst. Trust me

[azure crow]

gotcha gotcha lol

that's actually kind of nice, makes it very easy for new people to understand ideal CW

because it's just 1 number

[azure crow]

the game ending with UK ragequitting after losing the battle for france was hilarious ngl

[full musk]

@azure crow I filled out the form since the 13th came into play. I will be at work the 14th. Also, you can ignore my ratings for countries, because I dont have enough experience to have a preference, though I have the most experience with Italy. That said, I'll play any country and co-op with anyone who's nice.

[azure crow]

excellent, your destiny is most likely to be @sturdy cave 's Italy coop

[full musk]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-ignored-destiny-marvel-gif-14529899

[ocean lichen]

I feel like I'm the natural NSA coop

[sturdy cave]

Jack is indeed my level of chaotic

[ancient burrow]

Suck it Stalin

[azure crow]

tbh kinda true

[azure crow]

operation unthinkable incoming!

very nice

<@&984509893920817192> this is your reminder that the game is now 4 days away! <t:1728847800>

Another reminder ping will be sent 24 hours beforehand

As it is questionable whether Horst will actually get updated, it is very possible we will be playing vanilla with a bunch of optimization stuff:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3344392092?

So make sure to have ^^^^ this collection downloaded as well, just in case

[keen edge]

Oh fuck I messed up my dates. I won’t make it to the event.

RIP

[azure crow]

F

I will adjust accordingly

[keen edge]

wait when is this event? it says saturday the 21st

on the sheet

[woeful pollen]

This Sunday at 3:30

[keen edge]

oh right yea

[azure crow]

It does? Lol my bad, time to fix that

[keen edge]

anyone interested in a pickup game today? maybe ahistorical?

[rancid robin]

later this evening?

[keen edge]

yup, just a fun mess around nothing serious and dont be a dick. or could be expert AI and we play minors on ahistorical madness

[rich forum]

i might be down seeing as sunday is up in the air for me as of now

[gray remnant]

if im around im down

[gray remnant]

@keen edge any mods we may use or just vanilla

[keen edge]

Probs vanilla

Besides player led

[gray remnant]

ok i might get some practice in then

[keen edge]

<@&984509893920817192>

Yep can be practice for people playing on Sunday too

[errant phoenix]

Around what time are you thinking

[keen edge]

probs gonna start around 5 or 6

EST

[errant phoenix]

Yeah I can probably be there definitely need to practice Bulgaria

[keen edge]

<@&984509893920817192> gonna start booting up the server if you want to join. again this is chill game. will decide if its a "practice" or ahistorical madness game with the group, wanna start no later than one hour (im looking at you late joiners)

Playerled is the only mod

90203657765370884

PW: Ops2024

[keen edge]

<@&984509893920817192>

[mortal remnant]

just finished my workout

will shower and be around

[keen edge]

big sad

[mortal remnant]

what mods @keen edge

[mortal remnant]

https://i.imgur.com/VaAD58e.jpeg

[azure crow]

exactly

spreadsheets are cringe

unless I'm making them for fun

[surreal egret]

@azure crow not going to make it Unfortunately 🙃😭

[azure crow]

F

[surreal egret]

F indeed

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> this is your 24 hour reminder ping, the game will be tomorrow at <t:1728847800>
As horst has not been updated, we will be using the mods in this collection:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3344392092?

[olive badge]

So uh how many people are pulling up for this?

[ember oak]

I just saw this game announcement and would be interested

[lavish sedge]

Sign up here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd8cykyOKDCMAaJfqD4NmmR1m3SO95wUoJGUvxmB5Z1UUoHsA/viewform?usp=send_form though I don't know if @azure crow is still amending the final sheets

[lavish sedge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tp1dLV3bk6r4LF9Tvd7Q29XPAVtw3SPjPvM0iJ03Ik8/edit?gid=711297529#gid=711297529

[azure crow]

at last count 15-20

depending on the breaks

[olive badge]

Welp guess ill have a grand opportunity to die quickly in front of a large crowd see yall in about 5 hours

[sharp phoenix]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2668048070 Highly recommend adding this to your personal playsets. It's user side, doesn't change checksum can run in mp/ironman. All it does is add icons to most things, so instead of just numbers you have pictures. Very good if your brain is as slow as mine

[fresh fern]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3333017872 add this

[azure crow]

@strong jacinth

[lavish sedge]

@strong jacinth

[lavish sedge]

^

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> reminder - game will start in 1 hour at <t:1728847800>

[keen edge]

So sad I’m missing this. Have fun everyone!

[bronze rain]

You'll be there in spirit

[keen edge]

Spain will be the allies bane of existence

[ancient burrow]

Im gona sit in and watch someone's stream. I didnt sign up cause I'd only have approx 1:30hrs to play.

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> reminder - Scheduled start is in 4 minutes <t:1728847800> (although I know many of you degenerates will take a half hour to actually assemble)

@strong jacinth I remember something about you not having the role lol

@fresh fern

[lavish sedge]

@fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern @fresh fern

[full musk]

@fresh fern

[lavish sedge]

@candid garden

[azure crow]

@candid garden

[lavish sedge]

!!!!

[azure crow]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3344392092?

Final roster:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UdjqWHqk206Zo9CaW29o5f8E1vB3eyRTrrxBCcUIfDs/edit?usp=sharing

[warped condor]

@azure crow is server info somewhere so we can mod check?

[azure crow]

About to come up, was sorting out the roster

90203761616936990
password: ops1936

[topaz jungle]

Tagging for visibility in case you aren't already in the thread:
@sand raft @ember oak @lavish sedge @olive badge @hearty lion @errant phoenix @wheat bramble @sharp phoenix @full musk @bronze rain

[azure crow]

Server info now posted!

[lavish sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/elrond-lotr-lord-of-the-tings-lord-elrond-3000years-gif-13229890

[bronze rain]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3vdvG6d3uS141KOOSIjylW?si=487ed5cfd32e4407

For your listening pleasure

[mortal remnant]

TBH I think intercept mission may just be OP

[azure crow]

And so the war in Europe came to a close

but in Asia, the US dictated the terms

[fresh fern]

vucqt try to show up challenge level impossible

[sharp phoenix]

Yes it is

[ocean lichen]

@azure crow v sorry, had a issue with internet provider and they cut my broadband for hte last 72 hours

I'm not bitter at al..

[keen edge]

Spain is very sorry she wasnt there to save the axis

[ocean lichen]

As is Australia

[azure crow]

not only did Spain not save the axis, because I forgot to turn on historical focuses Spain went into a 4 way civil war and then through a 1 in 10 dice roll voluntarily made itself a soviet puppet

meanwhile lithuania had a communist revolution and became an independent SSR and poland went fascist

as did Finland

[ocean lichen]

lol

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> Planning to host another historical game in just under 2 weeks at <t:1730057400>, right before the big update. Given the relative success (with some issues to be ironed out for next time) of the vanilla+ optimization modset we ran, I plan to just keep using that one rather than swap to TFB. I think taking on responsibility for assigning people to countries was also largely successful, so I'll likely stick with that model as well. Thank you to everyone who played in the game yesterday, hopefully you all had a good time!
Here is the new signup form for the next game:
https://forms.gle/pnRJngnzFjhFeR19A

[keen edge]

https://tenor.com/view/kermitthefrog-dance-dancing-goingwild-crazy-gif-5023883256888097815

[woeful pollen]

Just make sure you turn the AI onto Historical Rosa :-p

[azure crow]

yeah definitely gonna remember to do that lol

[azure crow]

fascist poland and communist spain caused much misery

[gray bane]

Also the fucking mess in China

[azure crow]

indeed lol

[sharp phoenix]

@azure crow the consensus from the Axis team last game was we actually enjoyed the ahistorical ai’s. Yes it fucked us over. But atleast it was interesting and different game than the standard

[bronze rain]

USSR (aka Comrade Rosa) made it all possible.

[azure crow]

If you hadn't spent all that army xp on land doctrine the build wouldn't have been nearly so good

thanks to that your 200 bazillion 20 width infantry divs and my 1st guards tank army managed to drive from smolensk to berlin in 6 months

we literally had the reserves lol

ate 4million casualties like it was nothing

That and we had an extra AT battalion and infantry battalion in every 20w

[lavish sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/russia-gif-20969555

[errant phoenix]

Why did they do this

[sharp phoenix]

oooof. RIP germany stability

[azure crow]

lol that's not accurate at all

By 1936 it should be like

70% nazi

by 38 it was like over 80% nazi

[errant phoenix]

Why did they chadify Hitler

[azure crow]

also a good question

that man did not have a strong jawline at all

or good cheekbones

[lavish sedge]

There's not really any way to know about this since opinion polling was in its infancy back then (also hard to objectively poll a totalitarian regime) tbh. Hitler did only get 43.9% of the popular vote during the elections in 33 and only got full dictatorial powers through the Enabling Act (which everyone voted for except the socialists).

One way to look at it, I guess, is party membership. From 2 million in 1933, to 5.4 million in 39 and 8 million in 45 (11% of the population at its peak); honestly, that demonstrates the fanatization germany went through more than concrete adhesion to the political entity.

In 41, only about a third of junior army officers and 29% of commissioned officers were party members.

It's also hard to estimate why people supported the nazis considering the lack of realistic alternatives within the political landscape of germany after the Schutzhafts of the Reichstag Fire Decree: anti-marxists for instance didn't necessarily agree with the NSDAP on most other things; and even nationalists, though technically supportive of Hitler, could be coming from the DNVP and not considering themselves to align with the nazis outside of the "national community" aspect.

How many people "supported" the nazis because of opportunism, fear or propaganda?

To be fair, it's hard to look at this without knowing what the fuck the HOI4 political compass is even trying to portray lol. Is it national pollings? Adhesion rates? "Political support" is a wide af term. If we're only talking about people voicing/acting on their concerns, then that political compass isn't accurate. But if we're talking about actual political support, deep down within each individual... meh, who's to say it's that far off; there's literally 0 data about this 😂

https://tenor.com/view/thanks-for-coming-to-my-gif-24352383

[azure crow]

Hitler did only get 43.9% of the popular vote during the elections in 33
That was also in the rigged election, they lost votes in the last fair one

[lavish sedge]

I'm going off of the highest figure I could find lol, I kinda tried to search for anything else but... Hitler wasn't exactly a fan of asking people what they thought and everyone after the war was like "hitler? fuck that guy"

They definitely need to get stability modifiers to compensate though, that's for sure

Maybe HOI4 will mention political deportation, who knows, they've never gone that road before but that's a big part of why everybody shut the hell up and stopped trying to resist what was happening

Also how the fuck is the DNVP non aligned lmao

Like, I get that some of them were monarchists but "non-aligned"...

[lavish sedge]

that's for 1936 btw I just checked

it's probably not that far off what you'd have gotten if elections were held then bar the DNVP having 15% when they only had like 8% in 1933

[azure crow]

zentrum being democratic is also real clown hours

they literally voted for the enabling act

[lavish sedge]

Also a bold choice to consider that SPD voters were with the center in 1936

Zentrum alone is like 12% or some shit lol

[lavish sedge]

tbh that was the same kind of brainrot as the allies letting the germans proceed with the anschluss and the munich agreements

"surely hitler doesn't wanna do anything too bad"

conclusion: what do you mean political nuances of the mid 20th century can't be summed up by a 4 colours political compass in my MAP GAME

https://tenor.com/view/so-pissed-im-work-mad-gif-23416426

[azure crow]

"he's only purged the third largest political party and made it clear that if we vote for this legislation he's going to purge the second largest party too, surely as the 4th largest party we're in the clear"

[lavish sedge]

definitely nothing to see here

tbh it's like France getting Leon Blum in power as part of the democratic coalition against the commies when he in fact was very much in charge of the coalition WITH the commies 💀

[fresh fern]

what could go wrong?

[fresh fern]

i got endsieged

fuck world ablaze

[bronze rain]

To be fair, you started it.

[keen edge]

anyone want to do a MP game?

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> reminder to sign up if you can make this time and want to play, and to those who have signed up I will be posting the provisional teams this afternoon

[errant phoenix]

Can we play The Fire Rises

[fresh fern]

can we do a rp game

[errant phoenix]

RP the Fire Rises game

[keen edge]

How many people are signed up @azure crow

[azure crow]

7

[bronze rain]

A new and interesting HOI4 mod - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3351829294&searchtext=last+stand

[rich forum]

Any chance this could be moved earlier or to the day before or after? We have a community event an hour and a half after this starts…

[ocean lichen]

shame

[lavish sedge]

new techs for transport planes and forts, max fortification now depends on state, tile and tech. BIG BEN is on the map. Whole bunch of AI battleplan changes: all in last devlog

[woeful pollen]

That's interesting, like that change.

[lavish sedge]

There's also dams in the game now that give industry buffs BUT can be targeted by raids and I'm guessing blown up to flood a region and give stats debuffs

[woeful pollen]

Dambusters are a go

[lavish sedge]

You can also set defense orders to follow borders in case you're like me and hate AI frontlines

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> this is the provisional roster

obviously it's subject to change if more people sign up:
https://forms.gle/pnRJngnzFjhFeR19A

[keen edge]

Sign up you bastards!!!!!

[fresh fern]

@lavish sedge

[fresh fern]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3350890356

[errant phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-cat-purple-purple-fire-purple-fire-cat-gif-3798894259036181291

Mod is fire

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> reminder, the game will be in 5 and a half hours at <t:1730057400>

Modlist:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3344392092?

Signup sheet:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd8cykyOKDCMAaJfqD4NmmR1m3SO95wUoJGUvxmB5Z1UUoHsA/viewform?usp=send_form

This will be a historical game

[keen edge]

https://tenor.com/view/kermitthefrog-dance-dancing-goingwild-crazy-gif-5023883256888097815

[azure crow]

One of the things we discovered last time is that the optimization mod also makes the AI make actually good divisions too

not meta or anything but like, good CWs and stats

[keen edge]

Love to hear it

I am also open to playing another nation if someone wants to take the US lol

[azure crow]

for this game I suspect I'll be spending at least 15 minutes sorting out who to put where, it's less predictable than last time IRT who shows up

[sharp phoenix]

Oh, I thought this was the project. Not just a modpack

[fresh fern]

let me play

@azure crow

[azure crow]

100%

[azure crow]

nah the project isn't ready yet I don't think

[keen edge]

<@&984509893920817192> wonder friends assemble

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tp1dLV3bk6r4LF9Tvd7Q29XPAVtw3SPjPvM0iJ03Ik8/edit?gid=711297529#gid=711297529

@azure crow are you hosting?

[rancid robin]

Manager meeting, shitlord

[keen edge]

blah blah blah lalala

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[rancid robin]

https://tenor.com/view/suck-my-unit-robert-downey-jr-tropic-thunder-kirk-lazarus-gif-15457975

[azure crow]

I'll be there soon™️

[ocean lichen]

oh i didn't see when that was scheduled, where can I see it for future organisational purposes?

[azure crow]

(like a minute)

[keen edge]

@warped condor @sharp phoenix @errant phoenix @lavish sedge @signal trellis @rich forum @mortal remnant

[rancid robin]

https://tenor.com/view/grumpy-old-man-wish-in-one-hand-see-which-gets-filled-first-gif-13048050

[ocean lichen]

you smell like poop

[rich forum]

Cant make it, got a SCP SL event in 1 and a half hours

[azure crow]

@lavish sedge

90206552545181726
ops1936

[ocean lichen]

server id: 5431283419273464

[summer lynx]

we still need a japan

if anyone wanna do it

[ocean lichen]

90206552545181728

ops1936

[azure crow]

90206558192130078

ops1936

[ocean lichen]

esports

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> In a move that I think many will enjoy, I'm planning to host my next HOI4 historical game on Schicksalstag, with a brief interval after the morning op <t:1731186000>. This will be a saturday session. The much maligned Spot Optimization mod will also be dropped from the playset. Sign up here:
https://forms.gle/xciuAbfWbvDdHGA77

[lavish sedge]

Sorry I had something come up tonight :/

Was like a 0.0001% chance but it happened

[modest frost]

Lmao @lavish sedge i just did this run with germany, just have china and brazil as the majors left

[modest frost]

Is anyone pretty good with some countries that would be interested in teaching me some of the game mechanics? I need help with creating new division templates and when to execute them as well as naval invasion strategies

[modest frost]

<@&984509893920817192> if anybody wants to teach me a few things that'd be cool, thanks ❤️

[rich forum]

someone teach this man

[modest frost]

I enjoy playing Poland, Mexico, Italy, and Germany

[fresh fern]

helll yeah

[azure crow]

if you want to learn how to USSR I can tell you how to do a functional MP build

[modest frost]

Sure, maybe it would help me make sense on how to best the AI better

[azure crow]

so the key thing is just to not actually have the bulk of your army on the border at the start of barbarossa

you want to hold the stalin line

not the actual frontier

[azure crow]

you also want to make sure to spam 20-21w infantry divisions, since that org wall will be ideal for holding that river line

my standard is 9 INF 1 arty, with engineers, cavalry recon, arty support, AT support, and AA support

in order to counter german armored spearheads it is also necessary to build 10-12 medium tank divisions by the time barbarossa starts

these should be 32 width since they'll be the armored fist of your counteroffensive later

50-50 on medium tanks and motorized (later mechanized) infantry

all tanks should be produced by the myetsky machine factory MIO

since it can be upgraded to let you spam out tanks later on

the final things you need for barbarossa are fighters (against the AI you can make basically anything and it will work, the AI is useless)

and if you want life to be easy, a line of level 5 forts from Riga all the way down to the outlet of the Dnieper river

with level 10 forts anywhere there is a gap in the river or at key cities across the river which you intend to hold

(Kiev, for example)

To finish the forts in time for barbarossa you need to begin construction by mid 1940

it will basically eat all your civs for a year, but by then you'll have close to 100 mils if you've managed your economy correctly

In terms of focuses, do Gostproyetsky instead of the internal one in the 5 year plan

it allows you to bring in foreign experts

which if you get the american ones is OP

and later you can get a permanent -15% consumer goods factories from it too

that and during the winter war make sure to start before 1940 (Germany can guarantee them after January of 1940)

and make sure to take all of finland

no white peace

that's really all there is to the USSR

you can hold the improved stalin line until mid 1943

after that you should go on the offensive

the softest target is the romanians in the south

they will overextend along the dnieper so you have the opportunity to create a huge encirclement with a spearhead down towards odessa from Kiev

in the north a strategic offensive into Lithuania can easily recreate the coorland pocket

and in the center you can re-create operation bagration by attacking towards minsk with a northern and southern spearhead

if you have enough armor divisions to execute all of these simultaneously together with a general battle planned offensive by the infantry

you can completely overwhelm the axis

[modest frost]

https://tenor.com/view/keyaan-john-wick-keanu-reeves-gif-2384046765437701795

Any tips on naval invasions? Its always a coin toss if mine go or not

[ancient burrow]

Pretty sure you need more than 50% naval supremacy in all naval areas that the invasion will pass through.

[modest frost]

Does it depend on composition of my navy or is it just a numbers game? Ive tried spamming submarines a couple times to see if i could wrestle the english channel but i always end up needing other axis allies to do sealion

[ancient burrow]

I dont think submarines will do much, you will need a surface fleet.

[modest frost]

Destroyers and light cruisers?

Ill try again and see if that makes a difference

[ancient burrow]

Well you need to gain supremacy, going up against the Royal Navy you probably need some battleships/heavy cruisers.

Germany starts with a small surface fleet that you can expand.

[modest frost]

Makes sense, i wanted to avoid sinking most of their fleet cause i like to take it in the peace conference and then invade japan with it

[keen edge]

It’s a make up of capital ships/screens. best thing to do if you have a small navy is bait the country you’re trying to invade to have a small battle and damage some of their ships so they have to repair. That should give you the green light to invade

[modest frost]

Bait them with a small group of good ships?

[keen edge]

If I had a small navy vs the royal navy (as germany) I would produce a bunch of naval bombers, and use your navy to challenge the sea tile and have naval bombers up. Once the fight starts, disengage the navy and let your naval bombers do damage and force the fleet in that tile to repair. which will give you supremacy for a short while to invade

[lavish sedge]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2624254320

New mod for Ops games 🔥🔥🔥

[rich forum]

They are giving the FN FAL to belgium in the new DLC

wtf

makes my head hurt

[azure crow]

giving a belgian gun to belgium? insanity!

[rich forum]

giving a 1950s gun to belgium in 1942 is insanity

[modest frost]

giving gun to man to gun the gun, while gunning, is insanity

just tried playing italy and tried to naval invade portugal/spain right off the bat and lost, forgot how i did it before

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2138705885792528528/E770A11FCB3747F6217F7308B4B9411911E85D70/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

^ from before, tried it again tonight and spain crushed me lol

[lavish sedge]

We're getting nuclear capable ICBMs too tbh lol

[hazy creek]

HoI turning into Defcon?

They should make it an end game minigame before the final credits

[modest frost]

do you guys do hoi4 MP games with or without mods?

[bronze rain]

#1177392747817209876 message

[modest frost]

ty

[azure crow]

@sharp phoenix my mod now has player led integrated into it

[azure crow]

currently modifying industry so that factories are twice as cheap and there are twice as many building slots but the factories do half as much, after editing 167 state files I can see why this sort of thing is less common

[keen edge]

Are you just making your own version of horstorical? Lol

The amount of divisions and planes will be insane

[woeful pollen]

600 Infantry Divisions!

[azure crow]

nah because factories still only do half as much

so it will basically just offer finer control over production

[rich forum]

the USSR approves of this, we shall have the greatest 4 year plan to ever be done!

[modest frost]

i thought i was good vs the ai but i keep getting rolled playing anyone other than germany

lol

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> Would anyone be interested in an ahistorical MP game this afternoon/evening to help test the multiplayer mod I've been working on?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3359640737
Current mod feature list:
Industry:

• Factory IC production and cost halved, number of starting factories doubled
• Supply hub construction cost reduced by 25%
• Synthetic Refinery construction cost reduced by 2000 IC
• Number of civilian factories per construction project doubled
  Doctrinal:
• XP cost for tier 1 army doctrine reduced to 10
• XP cost for tier 2 army doctrine reduced to 32
• XP cost for all other tiers of army doctrine reduced to 80
• XP cost for all tiers of SF doctrine reduced to 40 (was 60)
  Air Equipment:
• Agility penalty added for all aircraft armament with a higher penalty the more the armament weighs
• Bomb locks reduced to 0 XP cost
• Bomb bay strat bombing stat increased by 50% (possibly OP but I want to see how it plays out in playtesting, factories are cheaper but have the same HP)
  Ground Equipment:
• All majors start with 1936 AT and AA researched
• 1940 Medium tank hull reliability increased to justify the economic cost of swapping to '40 hulls over '38 hulls
• Extra turret reliability penalty reduced to -5%
• Extra turret armor penalty increased to -15%
• Extra turret soft + hard attack increased
• Easy Maintenance component XP cost reduced to 20 XP, reliability bonus increased to +15% (was +10%)
• Medium Howitzer 2 hard attack increased to 10, armor pen increased to 90 (abstraction for HEAT ammo)
• Heavy Howitzer hard attack increased to 10, armor pen increased to 100 (big boom big booms tank, too)
  Naval Equipment:
• Carrier surface detection dramatically increased
• Sub 3s nerfed (apparently they're commonly banned for being too OP)

Diplomacy:

• Player Led Peace Conferences directly integrated into the mod

[errant phoenix]

Sure

[rich forum]

could probably make that work

[azure crow]

I'll put up a few times and whichever one gets the most reacts I go with it:

1. <t:1730669400>

2. <t:1730676600>

3. <t:1730683800>

@rich forum @errant phoenix @anyone else interested vote for ur fav with a 👍

gonna go drop off my mail-in ballot and run a couple errands so I'll be back in a couple hours lol

[azure crow]

time 2 it is!

@candid garden @rich forum @lavish sedge <@&984509893920817192> game <t:1730676600>

[modest frost]

ooo have fun guys, wont be around for that or else id be down too

[errant phoenix]

Could we get a sub mod of the Fire Rises where Karmakut takes control of Hawaii or Cali

[azure crow]

that sounds funny as hell lol

[errant phoenix]

I have already thought about paths for it

1. Historical: The Board Rises

2. althist: One Nation Under Karma

3. althist: Dorf Korea

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> Server up!
Server ID: 90207724938855454
Password: ops1936

[rich forum]

@lavish sedge @candid garden

[azure crow]

@ionic sky
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3359640737

[errant phoenix]

Restarting having issues with my Version

[fresh fern]

i can join in 5 @azure crow

[azure crow]

sounds good!

[azure crow]

HOI4 Ahistorical result: Democracy wins

Germany and France decolonize the world

[ionic sky]

The English only fell to the Germans, the French could do nothing to stop us along

[spark crater]

Forgets about all the ships and planes I destroyed to make an invasion possible

[ionic sky]

EVERY FRENCHMAN WHO STEPPED FOOT ON OUR SOIL BEFORE GERMANY CAME WAS EXICUTED

[spark crater]

Remind me what happened to your capital ships again

[azure crow]

All I did was send in the tanks and provide CAS, France secured the beaches and sunk the British navy

[lavish sedge]

The poles were the MVP

We held the germans for a whole 5 days

(tbh the actual MVPs were the czechs, hate the fuckers)

[ionic sky]

The French lies once again make it into the mainstream. Absolutely disgusting.

[errant phoenix]

Sofia Held

[rich forum]

Historical hoi after this dlc is gonna be amazing

I have a feeling I’m gonna end up cooping them sometime

[ionic sky]

The sneaky Russians pulled me into a war, they sold us out during the tribunals in Paris.

I won’t forget what you did bus

[fresh fern]

you guys are lucky brazil didn’t decide to take over the whole world

🔥🇧🇷🔥🇧🇷🔥🇧🇷

🗣️🗣️

[rich forum]

I didn’t sell anyone out, all my 2 million men died in Poland

[ionic sky]

Brazil made the call of duty ghost federation

[rich forum]

COD Ghosts is underrated

[spark crater]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-uhh-gif-9035266769326186920

[azure crow]

I had medium 3s in mass production by 1942, you were never taking mainland Europe

<@&984509893920817192> Next historical game will be this saturday <t:1731186000>. Sign up here (country preferences question now optional, I'll just use your preferences from a previous form) https://forms.gle/xciuAbfWbvDdHGA77

[keen edge]

What’s signup at rn?

[rich forum]

Please don’t use my old forms, my preferences are always changing!

[fresh fern]

me and harmless had heavy 3’s in mass production with 70 soft attack, 80 reliability, 8km an hour, 170 piercing with like 150 armor

[rich forum]

Sounds like you’d be lucky if they made it to a port lmao

[azure crow]

5

[summer lynx]

@azure crow me and the boys wanna stick together you know

[azure crow]

Tell the boys to fill out the form smh I even took out the hard part

<@&984509893920817192> Next historical game will be tomorrow in just over 24 hours <t:1731186000>! Sign up here (country preferences question now optional, I'll just use your preferences from a previous form) https://forms.gle/xciuAbfWbvDdHGA77

[keen edge]

Mods?

[azure crow]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3344392092

rebalance mod will be in but I scaled back features that were not complete and also changed land doctrines to make western allies less op

(by mostly reverting the price decreases)

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> assemble in community game in 30 minutes!

[sturdy cave]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-break-gif-26320953

[sharp phoenix]

I be late

[lavish sedge]

wot am I playing

[azure crow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tp1dLV3bk6r4LF9Tvd7Q29XPAVtw3SPjPvM0iJ03Ik8/edit?usp=sharing

[azure crow]

I'm figuring that out now

[lavish sedge]

copy

[keen edge]

@haughty glade

[sharp phoenix]

I’m otw home now

Like 15

[summer lynx]

see dm babes

[azure crow]

90208133336052766
ops1936

[keen edge]

<@&984509893920817192> wonder friends assemble

[lavish sedge]

is there a world where I'd play something else? I can do it but I'm a bit foggy, was sick for the past few days; if anyone wants to call dibs on the US I'm down to play smt else

[azure crow]

@fresh fern RIP

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Tp1dLV3bk6r4LF9Tvd7Q29XPAVtw3SPjPvM0iJ03Ik8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PVz53hoPPmRCOk2BsLfcerARoOY-Lwc2tkUGPxhjkEg/edit?gid=1412769367#gid=1412769367

[mortal remnant]

certified hood classic

RAF stronk

[rich forum]

bad things happened tonight, i am ashamed of some of it

sorry for blowing you up @lavish sedge may have had a few drinks

ill im gonna say is rosa gave me the bombers...

[azure crow]

The Brazilians doing a genocide of 1/3 of the Japanese population with nukes was definitely not how I expected WW2 to end. The Brazilians nuking Moscow? Even less expected.

[rich forum]

yes i went a little power hungry

[hazy creek]

From my very limited observation of the game it seemed there was an imbalance in production potential (amount of factories) vs resource supply. I guess in the end it boils down to who has more resources on their side. But also when majors import all the resources for their insanely big production capacity the minors become obsolete and can't produce anything

[sharp phoenix]

The no civs bug and the lack of resources, even for germany is really what irritated me. 80 civs on cg's (50%) for 5 years without knowing why and I was short 200 steel at multiple points, because the axis did not have the steel and I did not even have the civs to trade for them if I wanted. Also 75 civs on trade just effectively made germany unable to scale past 40

And that's with a 180 heavily civ greeded germany

[keen edge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x7aBw3Rrtk&t=918s&ab_channel=Bitt3rSteel

MP games are gonna be interesting with these new mechanics

[rich forum]

Cant wait to play Belgium in mp

[rich forum]

I just heard that Army training in the field is going to create world tension with the new dlc

[lavish sedge]

damn

double damn

triple damn

bruh

this is gonna be next level cancer

[rich forum]

@sharp phoenix if you play germany in the next historical game would you be open to me cooping with you?

[keen edge]

this new germany tree makes my brain hurt

[sharp phoenix]

Is it out?

[keen edge]

yes

[woeful pollen]

Is it crazy?

[keen edge]

Apparently UK AI is much smarter at defending itself from sealion

[woeful pollen]

It is crazy lol

[keen edge]

you cant fit the Germany focus tree on a single page

[woeful pollen]

That's nice

I like having a bunch of options.

[keen edge]

Im just here for the austria and belgium tree lol

[woeful pollen]

lol

Yeah curious at the Belgium tree

[keen edge]

The resources that the congo can get is insane

[woeful pollen]

Honestly makes sense

[keen edge]

itll be cool in MP cause a belguim player can go and take over congo as a govt in exile

and still have some abilities to be useful

[woeful pollen]

Yeah makes Belgium actually worth playing.

[keen edge]

oh and Helicopters seem to be OP

[rich forum]

its a lot of fun

germany is good again

[keen edge]

started an Austria game. tried to reform Austria-Hungary, Hungary tried doing the same, and ended up at war with them. 10/10 would recommend

[ancient burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[sharp phoenix]

$25 though?

[keen edge]

just get the pass for 35

it gets this one and the next one

[lavish sedge]

Belgium is dope now

[lavish sedge]

germany has the kiel canal now

[modest frost]

Germany is strong enough from a casual players POV that you dont need any faction members helping you, called in italy late 39’/40’ and all they did was throw up air and guard ports while fighting in africa while i hit the channel hard

New focus trees are a bit overwhelming at first, but they are so fun to explore and utilize and if executed well can lead to some crazy power spikes. Also noticed german forces all start at level 3 which is a little strong imo

Now that i think about it i think germany may have already started with lvl 3 forces but anywho, feels good to stomp the AI instead of being obliterated 😂

[rich forum]

just had to fight two german civil wars to become communist but the communist tree makes it well worth it!

https://tenor.com/view/east-germany-germany-flag-ddr-gif-18102774

[lavish sedge]

I was playing belgium (into fascist burgundy, 150 factories by 1940 lmao) and germany went communist, joined the Czech entente and fought the allies (including Italy and mf Russia), died by 1940 lol

I had to fight the allies too (for the northern france cores) ended up making a maginot build with the new fort superstructures, I am now stuck in belgium with millions at my borders

Literally me vs all of Europe, Russia, USA

[keen edge]

Non historical games are so crazy rn

[lavish sedge]

ikr lmao

[lavish sedge]

POV: belgium

this faction is terrifying

[modest frost]

Oh my

[stuck bear]

the german tree is broken AF. You can just build cav and then cheese Anschluss within 2 months of the game starting lol

[modest frost]

I think the wording is what is making it buggy

Something along the lines of fully equipped divisions

[stuck bear]

if you are talking about what i said, no they removed the time limit and all a fully equipped division is, is only a division with all equipment requied and the cav at it's base has enough that if you trained 50 divisions, you have it

[modest frost]

Ye, that seems a little wonky 😂

[stuck bear]

and the silly thing is i think the supply button is broken where you cannot get your allies to actually come to your front. for whatever reason, had a 100 to 150 division Italy doing jack shit

and then the Reichkommissariat is broken AF also where you just hit a button and you core alot of things you conquer which is funny AF

[modest frost]

I noticed my italy did nothing too

Maybe we will see a hotfix today or this weekend

[stuck bear]

it's not so much it wouldn't help but rather if Romania occupied the territory they would all flood there but if i held it, they would all just leave the front and do nothing

[modest frost]

Well thats the thing too, in my game i held all the territory, but also is there a focus for the reichkommissariats?

[stuck bear]

yeah it completely eliminates the idea for non-core territory lol

[rich forum]

With the update they made it so if Russia brings back the Tsar, after the civil war is over Stalin becomes the leader of a independent Georgia

[stuck bear]

i tried to play it like before the DLC, if you don't use all the new stuff for germany it is unbalanced AF

[rich forum]

I love how you can get Eva Braun or Strasser as the leader of Germany if hitler dies

[stuck bear]

Hilariously enough, I've seen a few people post 1943 world conquests with Germany 🤣🤣

[bronze rain]

We tracking this?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3152780/Expansion__Hearts_of_Iron_IV_Gtterdmmerung/

Steam

Expansion - Hearts of Iron IV: Götterdämmerung

Build the industrial and research foundation to survive the world’s greatest conflict In Hearts of Iron IV: Götterdämmerung. In this expansion, players can write new histories of Germany, Austria, Hungary, Belgium, and Congo. Pursue exciting new research and military options, opening new paths for devastating new weapons and dramatic raids on st...

Price

$24.99

Recommendations

539

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[stuck bear]

yeah the game needs a massive rebalance lmao. you can Anschluss 4 months into a save 🤣 , the kommasariats allow germany to practically make puppets without taking any real hits and then to get things like jet engines, you have to spam aircraft research areas in which i found it easier to just use the aircraft mothership tech to deal with air. it's quite hilarious

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> ahistorical madness game of insane broken OP cancer in like 90 minutes?

[rich forum]

Communist Germany???

[keen edge]

I’m down

[azure crow]

<@&984509893920817192> bluefor community game

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ops1936

[keen edge]

BUS WERE STARTING

[azure crow]

90208536404635678

ops1936

[modest frost]

first time that i successfully used tanks, learning the new mechanics might take a few tries to get used to it, some of the mechanics make the conquest way easier and more manageable imo and im glad

[azure crow]

90208576046640158

ops1936

[rancid robin]

Are you restarting

Or just relaunching

[keen edge]

come play @rancid robin

[rancid robin]

Give me 3 minutes, need to grab a drink from the hotel bar

[summer lynx]

just relaunching

but its alt history meme

[rancid robin]

I gotcha, any mods?

[woeful pollen]

Nope

[lavish sedge]

take over germany

I had to go

[rancid robin]

I dont know that I have that much gumption, but we'll see

[lavish sedge]

at least it's not too fucked compared to AI countries lmao, good luck!

[rancid robin]

Its pretty fucked

[mortal remnant]

@keen edge Manchester united wins again

[azure crow]

@sturdy cave @keen edge @lavish sedge @gentle oyster @summer lynx

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

it's still going on

we're in 1947