V10 Patreon Feature Poll

[sage basin]

Would you like to see all the text for the poll? #929425351183052951 message

Or, you could subscribe for a month to vote in the poll!

[uncut crater]

You would also get our eternal monthlong gratitude!

[crude canopy]

Wait! Being a patron is supposed to come with gratitude? How much per month? What's it good for? 🙂

[uncut crater]

You get one gratitude per month at our Champion and Hero tiers, and two at our Legend tier. You can redeem one gratitude per day for a warm and fuzzy feeling knowing that you helped our dream of being the best VTT possible

[sage basin]

giggles

[dark sand]

"Some" CSS? I beg to differ

[lost sun]

I agree, some is far too much. Best to keep it clean with HTML 😛

[sage basin]

'Some' is between 'none' and 'all' the css 🙂

[dark sand]

I choose all

😜

[sage basin]

Yes, well, you don't get all the CSS, IIRC, just like you don't get all the HTML for journals 😛 🙂

[lone steppe]

Any CSS is too much. CSS is evil (and necessary, but still evil)

[sage basin]

CSS is how you get the prettypretty

[dark sand]

Have you seen the premium content for SWADE? No CSS is like not having a lighting system, walls, or fog of war.

[lone steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-css-open-window-annoyed-pissed-gif-12014506

[uncut crater]

ok ok I love you all equally but the league has #752950712098357380 for a reason

[lunar prawn]

Would Advanced Measured Templates handle auras and emanations?
Like in this feature request?
https://gitlab.com/foundrynet/foundryvtt/-/issues/6563

[empty rapids]

quite probably

[sage basin]

I am the wrong person to ask about stuff like that.

[past yacht]

Here's the full description of Advanced Measured Templates

[sage basin]

The full text of the v10 feature poll, with bulletpoints : #929425351183052951 message

[lunar prawn]

Thanks.

[gaunt lake]

how's the poll going?

[rancid raptor]

Yay! A feature equally usable in all systems is winning.

[sage basin]

Fresh update:

[past yacht]

almost at 600 votes :o

[gaunt lake]

How many days until the end of the poll?

[fair current]

~9, it ends on Monday the 31st

[sage basin]

If someone needs to know when on monday, to cast their vote, they should just vote now. 😉

[rancid raptor]

I think if people refuse to use one browser, they will all the same refuse to install and use player client.

[sage basin]

That would be a social problem for the GM to solve

[rancid raptor]

It's a general human nature problem, similar to "universal" charging plugs dilemma. We introduce a universal plug like USB-C to replace all previous plugs, but finish with even more plug types to account becouse there will be still many old devices on a market, using all those previous standards AND the new one on top of that. We may only kindly ask everybody to support the idea and get USB-C compatible device next time. That is why I don't believe any standalone app will really solve this full-compatibility problem.

[dark sand]

Honestly, in the case of USB-C it's actually working (slowly). Used to be every laptop had its own unique charger, but these days anything that's not total junk or extremely high performance is using USB Power Delivery. And all but one brand of phone is doing the same...

[lost sun]

gently nudges tech discussion to #tech-chat

[past yacht]

End of the line! 600 votes and 5 days to go, the poll seems to be settling. Update for all those curious

[random current]

So 18 votes separate Journal System V2 from Advanced Measured Templates.

[foggy sinew]

Adventure Builder ain't super far behind either!

[buoyant flame]

all hail the new era of journal entries

[green sage]

yeah, and while I don't think it's a perfect predictor

unless something really sexy gets added to the v11 poll we'll probably get advanced measured templates or the adventure builder

[copper crane]

I suspect that we'll get at least part of the Adventure stuff regardless of the poll result 🤔

[bronze oracle]

I'm hoping that one (or both) of those get picked up as the staff-chosen option, though I think the vision modes is a strong contender for that as well

[green sage]

i wouldn't be overly surprised if that gets tapped for addition in a future version anyways

[worldly token]

Event Triggers may well be back on the poll in v11, and they've been in the top few for the 0.8 and v9 polls

[buoyant flame]

I highly doubt event triggers are going to be a poll result

[green sage]

i also wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the people who voted for journal v2 would also go for the adventure builder/importer if journals wasn't on the menu

(or i may be generalizing my feelings on the matter whooo knoooows)

[lone steppe]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they'll be back for V11 (or they might be the core team feature for V11, that wouldn't surprise me either)

[buoyant flame]

I'm betting on it's just in V10

part of the bet is my just general hope

[green sage]

brb starting #V10 Patreon Feature Casino

[lone steppe]

No, it's explicitly not gonna be a V10 thing. Lemme find the reference

[buoyant flame]

whaat

[lone steppe]

#929425351183052951 message

[buoyant flame]

at this time so you're telling me there's a chance

[green sage]

there's no chance...

at this time

[bronze oracle]

For reference, these are the major things assigned to V10 so far: https://gitlab.com/foundrynet/foundryvtt/-/issues?scope=all&state=opened&milestone_title=Version 10 - Prototype 1&milestone_title=Version 10 - Prototype 2&milestone_title=V10 - Non-prototype intended&label_name[]=Epic

[uncut crater]

Every release tends to have:

• Something for GMs / Players
• Something for Content Creators / Publishers
• Something for Devs

I would not be surprised (but we have not committed) if our thing for Content Creators / Publishers was Adventure Doc if it didn't win. If it did win, we'd likely do something else as well, who knows tho

[reef pollen]

I have a hunch that Atro would prefer not to get locked in the canvas mines again

Then again, we do have Secret Fire now

We can lock them into the canvas mines

[worldly token]

They;ve got SecretFire for that, just throw him in the mines and watch as he emerges a few months later, simultaneously covered in coal and glowing with a thousand visual effects.

[reef pollen]

• Something Sweet
• Something to snack on

Damnit, now I want sweet snacks

[uncut crater]

Rumor is we didn't hire him, Atro simply found him in the Canvas mines...

Alright, now back to on-topic here 🧹

[brazen pumice]

If something from the "Advanced Measured Templates" makes into the system next update, I would hope it to be linking templates to tokens (auras), integration with target system and restriction by walls would also be nice. As for spell animations - that only provides a bit of visuals, there are other useful options (from my point of view).

[lunar prawn]

I hope the Auras make it as it's something currently missing from core templates

[empty rapids]

What do you mean about auras? Not being able to attach templates to actors?

[rancid raptor]

Currently the map pin functionality is not very useful for players. I would love to see functions along with Map Journal V2, which would allow players to duplicate pins on canvas and for GM, to change default map pin format (icon picture/size/color, font size/color). There is also this issue when I give players permission to create journal notes and map pins - when they select a note inside a pin configuration window, they can see ALL notes' titles - even those they have no permission to see. As for now, map pins functionality prevents players to get creative with them.

Also, any type of "automatic connectivity" - lines appearing between selected map pins and adjusting dynamically while pins are moved across a scene - would be a nice addon. As for now it is very unconvenient to create a typical mind-map in Foundry - particularly the player-editable one.

[empty rapids]

Map pins are not really intended as a player tool in the current implementation that is correct. But it would also get very cluttered if every player could make pins as the GM would see every pin

[rancid raptor]

Well, then perhaps some kind of per-scene filter or switch would come in handy. What I am looking for is some way to allow players to organize ideas and information visually, not only inside journal notes, via editing them.

[empty rapids]

For the moment you'll need to look outside foundry then. (I personally use Obsidian notes for this)

[paper lichen]

Right i need to vote.... Adventure it is and a secure third place...

[crude canopy]

As long as that connectivity comes with a dotted red line and a little airplane, so you can do Indiana Jones style travel scenes, I'm game for it. 🙂

[gaunt lake]

Does the poll end today?

[green sage]

shows as 2 days left for me so

probably sometime on the 31st

ah, yep

The poll will remain open until Monday, January 31.

[sage basin]

Results thus far:

I'm in sunday, MHB is not, this explains the 2|1 days left thing 🙂

[stiff ermine]

no one here voting for lighting redone?

roll20 had lighting multipliers

allowing you to give characters with night vision better sight in dark scenes by making all light sources appear as if they were larger

[sage basin]

'Lighting redone' is not an option on the list

[stiff ermine]

(oh, apologies, I thought this was another server)

[stiff ermine]

(didn't mean to bring that up here again)

[sage basin]

That is what 'Advanced Vision Modes' in this poll covers

[sage basin]

Just over three hours left to cast a vote in the poll:

[sage basin]

No new votes and the poll is now closed

[copper crane]

I wouldn't have predicted Journals winning the poll. Very exciting!

[sweet girder]

Yeah, IIRC journals had a very low result on the V9 poll, interesting to see that turn around

[crude canopy]

Disappointing for me... I don't use Journals. 😦

[past yacht]

Not to worry, devs will certainly add at least one other large feature into the mix that didn't win

For some reference, currently Journals V2, Advanced Templates, and Canvas Interaction Tools are all slated in a V10 milestone. Subject to change

[crude canopy]

Yup, but considering what's already in the v9 code in parts, that's probably Adventure Builder... which is also useless to me. 🙂

[copper crane]

Do you run purely your own homebrew?

And store your info and notes in some other software?

[crude canopy]

I run an older-than-current version of a system that hasn't had D&D-style adventure books published for the last three editions (twenty years).

[crude canopy]

Yup, I have a full-up MediaWiki implementation I use for it.

[copper crane]

Adventure document will facilitate sharing content for that system too even if the content is not official.

[crude canopy]

I voted for vision modes, because it potentially has lots of them.

[crude canopy]

There's nobody to share it with, because there's no license to do so, which would make it illegal (or at least illicit). Also... less-than-current edition and using a time period for an edition even further back. So... no compatible content anwyay.

[copper crane]

Share it with yourself?

[crude canopy]

To what ends?

[copper crane]

Reusing it with a different group or something

[crude canopy]

Why would I need a Foundry feature for that?

[copper crane]

You could also just use it as a way to condense your compendiums tab

[crude canopy]

How so?

[copper crane]

You could put Documents of various types in it.

[warm rover]

(imo this is why votes exist democratically - not everyone will use every feature and that's OK! but then that means stuff needs to get prioritized by the diverse needs of the community)

[crude canopy]

That doesn't seem like a compelling use case.

[crude canopy]

Certainly... In truth, I'm gently trolling @copper crane a bit. It really is a useless feature to me, and I doubt there's anything that would change that.

[warm rover]

I was rooting for advanced templates and don't see myself using Journals as much, but that's OK because it's clear a good number of folks are most strongly interested in better journals because they probably don't have external notes. I use Kanka and don't super need journals, but I do use them and am curious if any of the new features will change how I use them

[crude canopy]

The only thing I use Journals for is things that trigger via map pins (like MLT teleporters). I don't actually use them to store content.

[warm rover]

just looking at it

• I prefer the current editor to markdown in large part because I'm comfortable with html
• custom fonts are neat but not a big deal
• have no idea what to make of the journal overview feature until I see it
• collapsible sections/secrets are already doable
• 'improvements to map notes' is also pretty vague

[copper crane]

Ok. No worries. I am trolling you too 🤣
Here's an advantage of those features: if other users (and potential users) like the feature, then there will be more community to make modules and help you out in Discord 😜

[sage basin]

That line is amusing, since TJ is already a Helper 😉

[warm rover]

honestly for me the biggest ? is how vague the journal overview and map notes bits are.

[copper crane]

Helpers still need help occasionally, don't they?

[warm rover]

who helps the helpers indeed 🤣

[sage basin]

Mmmhmmm. You can't see the Helper room where we provide blankets and teddybears and cookies and cocoa

[copper crane]

And module developers are undeniably helping anyone who uses modules

More interesting features = more users = more module developers

[crude canopy]

Oh... I need help... but not the kind that comes from modules. 🙂 I mean, you don't think one gets a purple name if they're normal do you?

[copper crane]

Sure. Modules is just an example. There's localizations, content, assets, advice, encouragement, troubleshooting, etc.

[copper crane]

Regarding Markdown, their implementation will still be HTML under the hood according to the GitLab issue. It's just recognizing Markdown text patterns and converting them.

Custom fonts will apparently be just a select menu in the TinyMCE toolbar using the existing fonts. I think they are seperately considering bundling a few more fonts with core though.

Either way, truly custom font files will still need to be loaded with my module.

This might be subject to change, but that's what I heard last.

[warm rover]

yeah I don't expect Markdown to break anything but I also don't see it adding a ton y'know. Fonts being part of the toolbar makes sense, just also don't see myself using it regardless

[slender wagon]

I resemble that remark

[crude canopy]

And your name is purple. That checks out. 🙂

[tacit nacelle]

I see some feel about journal v2 the way I felt about cards in v9. 🙂

[honest glen]

As someone who recently decided to use FoundryVTT as campaign manager without reliance on any other external tool (such as OneNote, googledocs, WA, Kanka, ..) for storage of my campaign elements or session notes as I would have done in the past, I'm very happy with the outcome of the vote. 🙂
BTW guys, I highly recommend it. Having everything at your fingertips in one single tool is just invaluable.

[compact torrent]

just also be sure to regularly back your data up.

Don't wanna lose all that work in an unfortunate module related database incident