Combat Tracker Documentation

[hot prism]

3.3 will have a LOT of improvements focused on the combat tracker, so some of this may be addressed by new features. For example, we've added a context menu action for "redraw card with benny" for owners of combatants

[wooden creek]

that's nice

[hoary walrus]

That's nice! But wouldn't it be better to make it an extra button? Simply to make the option a bit more accessible? Or even let the players redraw by clicking their existing action card?

And more on the subject: going "on hold" and group by name and make group leaders (add combatants via drag & drop). How to deal with the situation when the group leader is incapacitated a new one has to be assigned

How to add combatants to the tracker

[mortal river]

I think they're working or have created a fix for this. I could be mistaken.

[mortal river]

That's kind of a core function.

But adding combatants as followers or during an ambush might be warranted

[somber turret]

not in 3.3

[mortal river]

I like the idea of clicking the card drawn to draw again, but prompt to confirm that was what they wanted to do

[somber turret]

make a ticket please, but also please keep in mind this thread IS NOT meant to brainstorm new ideas

[mortal river]

Ah, right. Waiting on v12 because of Combatant Documents, right?

[somber turret]

this thread exists to figure out what needs to be documented

[somber turret]

yes

[mortal river]

I think the card redraw ideas came out of what we saw in the screenshot

So if there's already a ticket for that, a link might help, and maybe add the screenshot for context

[somber turret]

Once again, please stay on topic for the thread

otherwise just make a ticket.

[mortal river]

See #1203410958387650611 message

[somber turret]

There is not, that's why I keep saying to make a ticket if you want

I can't make it any clearer than the words "create a ticket"

[mortal river]

Literally said, "if there's already a ticket..."

emphasis on "if"

@hot prism since you seem to be working on that feature, do you mind creating a ticket for it with the screenshot above included?

[compact wadi]

For Combat Tracker documentation, I would say,

• how to group combattants (and what are the advantages of doing so, instead of only putting the leader in the tracker),
• how to redraw card with benny (but this one seems to be covered nicely with new feature),
• how to go on Hold and interrupt.

Those look to be what I explain the most to other SaWo gamemasters.

[somber turret]

emphasis on "create"

so no, there is not

[somber turret]

alright done, MR will be up in a moment

[true vortex]

Aside from the things Cyril mentioned: How to set up an ambush.

[somber turret]

I really feel that 3 is more of a rules thing than anything else? You just press a button that has a big "Hold" tooltip on it. We can probably change the verbiage but there's not much more to it otherwise

same with interrupting, there's 2 buttons that are fairly clearly labeled. When to press which is really up to the rules

ah that reminds me, I wanted to fix the CSS bug in the ambush window still 😄

[hot prism]

I think mostly just "it deserves a subheading pointing out the icons" maybe with an illustrative image

which is the goal of this thread - what should get a text explanation

[somber turret]

okay cool

don'tr for get to add all the possible options of what comes next

and the incapacitation toggle

and the context menues

and all the other icons like resetting the action deck

[hot prism]

Yeah there's a LOT to do here

[somber turret]

but when we have it all documented do we even still need the tooltips?

feels kinda redundant

[hot prism]

Overlap is good for documentation

[somber turret]

and removing the tooltips would make the template format nicer

[somber turret]

except when it drifts

but hey, I'm not a designer after all 😄 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mortal river]

Yeah, it might be worth including descriptions in the docs for how one might lose a turn while on hold.

It's a rules thing that the combat tracker enforces, but might catch people off guard

Basically the whole Shaken/Stunned while holding thing

[hot prism]

Yeah plus that's configurable on AEs

[somber turret]

Go nuts I guess

[hot prism]

Among the reason to update the docs: They still reference the "Action deck table" 😂

[hot prism]

WIP, looking for feedback. The code block at the top is for internal purposes so it loads correctly, that won't display on the wiki/on the actual journal page.

https://gitlab.com/peginc/swade/-/blob/890-Combat-Tracker-Docs/src/packs/system-docs/Combat_Tracker.md

[hot prism]

made a few more updates, refresh page if you've got it open

[golden aurora]

Is the update to the turn tracker a configurable feature to turn on/off? If so, maybe that's worth mentioning. Otherwise, i'm excited to see it.

[hot prism]

All of the new features are strict improvements, there's nothing new getting added to the settings menu

And like, you don't have to use the Ambush Assistant — I ran maybe three ambushes in this three year campaign I've been running — but it's a nice to have

[golden aurora]

Yeah, i'm definitely not asking for the settings 😉

[quaint moon]

Just read the docs, they look good. Made me realise how complicated this is, so well done.

Group by name: it says they'll be set as followers, but followers of who? I think it's followers of the one you right-clicked (that's the way it works currently I believe).

Make group leader: what does 'eligible to be a group leader' mean? I thought this was only for changing the group leader. I've grouped combatants before without having to make anyone 'eligible' first.

Remove group leader: what happens to the group? Presumably the same as if they all unfollowed at once.

The rest of it is very clear.

[mortal river]

For make group leader, that's if you're not using drag and drop. You can make multiple combatants a group leader, then right click on another to say who to follow.

[hot prism]

Yeah need to come up with a better term

[mortal river]

I don't know if it needs to be another term. It's just multiple paths to the same destination. The option menu was an alternative for anyone for whom drag and drop might be difficult due to a disability or general hand-eye coordination challenges.

I'm a fan of the idea of "no wrong path"

[hot prism]

Oh I mean in terms of phrasing the docs

[mortal river]

Ah

[hot prism]

is the combatant you've right clicked on a "target"

what do I call the combatant you've just opened the ContextMenu for

[mortal river]

Make Group Leader: Set this Combatant as a group leader to which other combatants can be assigned as followers.

[hot prism]

the problem is trying to use "selected" and "target" in the context of the combat tracker when there's also stuff that interacts with the Canvas notion of selected/targeted

[mortal river]

How's that?

You'd need to update the other descriptions to use "this combatant" as well for consistency

[hot prism]

yeah that works

[obtuse imp]

Looks good 👍

My one "would be nice" point ... cross-referenced screen shot of the various points

[mortal river]

Does an entry for the option to manually change the Combatant's Action Card need to be added, or is that getting removed as part of the overhaul?

[somber turret]

we have not removed it

[hot prism]

The update combatant context menu option is core, we just have modified the UI to show card select instead of a number input

[somber turret]

now that you mentioned it maybe it would be easier to have that as a seperate entry, just to reassign cards

but likely not part of 3.3.0 anymore

[hot prism]

Like a total redistribution?

[somber turret]

No, just move the card assign part from the combatant config to a seperate window

[somber turret]

And make the option more visible

[mortal river]

Would that also allow for things like the Fortune Teller Arcane Background?

[hot prism]

that's just gonna be a macro

a really ugly macro, but a macro

[mortal river]

If it's core and still available, you might want to include that in the documentation