MidiQOL

[scarlet gale]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It's functionally not needed

[vast bane]

prolly won't error out yeah? I do this all the time when I share advantage reminder included items to people

[scarlet gale]

Won't cause errors, a flag not being read is just a flag

[hasty jackal]

okay i added the scale values to the class

now i just need to configure the rend to use a dice

[vast bane]

Now you can make a damage only item, set the bottom action type to other or utility, and then add a damage formula and copy/paste the scale to the damage formula

have it be a self/self damage item, then you can just add that damage listed in chat as a situational bonus if you don't fast forward, till you can figure out how to make it all one item

[hasty jackal]

so the damage formula how should it be? first time using scale values as damage

[vast bane]

copy the scale value on the class item and paste it into the formula, if you chose the right type of scale value it should just work as is

a damage formula not other formula

others don't auto roll

this is how you jankily make it...jankily is now a word fyi...the real way to do this is all inside of a macro, but sadly I dunno how to do it for you.

once it rolls the self harm to the caster in chat, you can then add that number to the damage of the attack manually if you don't fast forward damage(add it to the situational bonus field in the popout with fast forward off)

alternatively you can turn on the legacy damage buttons in midi's main settings and select the target and use the damage button on the damage self damage manually

[hasty jackal]

there it worked hope someday you can add dices to attributes that would make a lot of stuff easier

[strong yew]

I keep getting undefined terms when trying to roll with this scale

Can't seem to figure out what's wrong with it

[spice kraken]

Show us the scale setup for that

[strong yew]

Where would I find that? Imported stuff from ddb

[spice kraken]

The advancement tab of the class/subclass when editing that feature

[spice kraken]

Scroll down, do you see that scale value anywhere?

Should see Breath of the Dragon somewhere

[strong yew]

I don't. I'll compare to another scaling one to see

[spice kraken]

Well that could be the issue.

It's trying to reference something that doesn't exist

[strong yew]

Hmm. It did work before, but maybe I should just try reimporting

The scaling for it is just 2x martial arts die

well, at least at this level. I'll try and reimport

[strong yew]

odd, page doesn't look any different after reimport, but it's working now for some reason

[static sparrow]

Quick question about the latest midi update and Dice So Nice. Is there a way to use the "ghost dice" or whatever setting but have the numbers still appear for the GM?

I feel like that's just how it worked before the lates update, but now it seems like I can't hide rolls from my players without hiding them from myself too 😔

[vast bane]

I don't even use 3d dice for the DM anymore.

[hasty jackal]

welp i created a macro

it deals infinite damage

so...nice?

[vast bane]

Ludicrous damage is best damage.

https://giphy.com/gifs/Artipsfactory-B2RWBMypQLIZURMOGz

[hasty jackal]

i still dont know what the hell im doing wrong is just an item macro that uses a d6 self damage as a resource

idk how can it be so hard

[vast bane]

why did you make it a macro?

if its just self harm, make it self/self, action type other, add a damage formula of whatever, call it a day.

same as magic missile only self/self for target/range.

[random jolt]

After anyone on my server casts an AOE spell, the server sits on it for at least a minute. Meaning it looks like it is processing something and nothing happens. Any ideas?

No error... It just sits there...

I try to move characters or pass turn, nothing happens...

And then... out of the blue, the server resumes like nothing happens.

Actually I just realized even when normal attack happens, the server gets laggy... 😦

It looks like the server is waiting for a reaction or something...

I activated the log and this is what is happening...

It looks like it is just stuck calling this Calling updateToken hook with args in an infinite loop

[vast bane]

Versions of everything

My first thought is a midi setting is set to a module you don't have. Look at cover settings and template/target settings

It could also be bad old modules system

[cinder tapir]

how to make a ability do damage and heal yourself?

[vast bane]

In the pins wiki... item ideas. I'm on mobile hopefully someone can find that common answer for you

[inland vortex]

Are there versions of Wither and Bloom that automate the hit dice heal on an ally? Both versions of the spell I've found ask if you want to heal an ally, and they put a wither and bloom icon on the ally, but i'm not seeing any healing or a mechanism for it

[cinder tapir]

?

[vast bane]

If bugbear didn't add it to wiki yet look at his issues I posted it there for him to add

[cinder tapir]

Ok that was definitly not it

[vast bane]

CPR

[cinder tapir]

trying to make a ability when they use it, it deals damage and applys a buff to them that increases there AC until there next turn temporarily.

I assume that would be in the temparary effects tab

but I'm not really sure which "Attrivute" key it would be

[vast bane]

always always always lead with a + or -

having too many +'s is never bad, having a lack of one turns +2+2 to +22

[cinder tapir]

that definitely makes a lot of sense

Though I don't think I

[vast bane]

have the item be self/self for range/target, have first tab of ae have no boxes checked, put the items action type to other or utility, add a damage formula of the damage you want

[cinder tapir]

did the attrivute key right

[vast bane]

that attribute key is correct if you want to add 5 ac, if you put a + in front of that 5

[cinder tapir]

what is "of ae"

[vast bane]

how have we not added lifesteal to the wiki or some sort of quick link lol

Between me, bugbear, and krig we've shared examples of it atleast 10 times this week alone

@inland vortex is CPR's really not working? it should be working

does the ally not have hit dice?

[inland vortex]

I'm getting the same results from CPR as the latest from DDBI. The ally doesn't tale damage, and gets an effect on them that lasts part of a round, but it doesn't heal him or use his hit dice

[cinder tapir]

Also I changed it to self

and now the ability damages the user and the target

[vast bane]

I'm checking it now myself, its likely you lack an optional dependency or you don't have any of CPR's world scripts/settings turned on

it should say in the description of wither and bloom what it requires

[inland vortex]

i wonder if i have midi qol set up wrong. your advice earlier about the order of CE and AE fixed AID

[cinder tapir]

I made the AC ability work, though its when I equip the spell to the character sheet. How would I make it only give the +5 ac for a single round AFTER you use the ability.

[inland vortex]

the characters i've tried it on are all friendly player characters and all have hit dice

[vast bane]

I need to update CPR cause its also broken for me but in a different way

[vast bane]

did you resolve your issues?

[vast bane]

that whole "Make sure no box is checked in the first tab of the effect" was skipped I see 😉

[cinder tapir]

well I wasn't sure what "ae" was

I asked but no responce

[vast bane]

as for the duration, what is the actual druation of the ability, this is midi, you can do special durations, so share the items description, lets set it up right

ae is active effect

[cinder tapir]

So this page?

[vast bane]

correct

[cinder tapir]

Ok I see now

[vast bane]

that box thats checkd is the mistake

[cinder tapir]

I just didn't know where to look

ty again 😄

[vast bane]

if you want the item to damage them too, make sure the items target/range is self/self and then make an action type of other or utility, then add a damage formula.

@inland vortex haven't forgotten about CPR, just updating my module as I'm behind on it before I start reporting it as broken

actually it is not broken, my mistake was I had no hostile targets

[inland vortex]

thank you. i just updated my DDBI munching today. i was amazed at all the updates

[vast bane]

You likely need to turn cpr settings on

[inland vortex]

i wasjust looking at them. i don't see one for wither and bloom specifically

[vast bane]

the only time it doesn't heal is when the player has no hit dice

so show me the character sheet of the target who isn't healing you likely are incorrectly reading the sheet

[inland vortex]

some of his settings are about VAE. What is VAE?

[vast bane]

or the actor is unlinked

[vast bane]

nothing related to wither and bloom

show me the character sheet of the actor who never got healed, when you open its sheet, open it by double left clicking the token, not the sidebar

[random jolt]

I could not find any old module or the cover settings or template/target settings...

[vast bane]

configure settings>midiqol>workflow button> and from here check the top of workflow tab(targets) and the um....mechanics or rules tab. You want the cover settings.

[inland vortex]

what page would you like to see?

[vast bane]

the front page of the sheet

[inland vortex]

i forget how to take a shot of that. i know you've told me before

[vast bane]

ctrl+shift+s in windows 8+ is the snippet tool

[vast bane]

this is what a properly setup midi will show if you use CPR wither and bloom:

[random jolt]

I disabled some things there and the error changed now...

[vast bane]

none of those are errors, you just have the dev debugger on in midiqol

[random jolt]

Calling sightRefresh hook and Calling lightingRefresh hook

I mean calling these things hundred of times...

[vast bane]

Scroll down to the last three settings in midiqol main settings view and set these like mine:
To be clear, this is just shutting off the debugger, cause those are not errors.

your problem is elsewhere spamming your console with dev debugg info is not going to help you

Your slow down is probably just having the dev debugger on

[random jolt]

So my thought is that this is what is causing the lag.

Thanks though...

[vast bane]

precisely

Confirm though!

[random jolt]

I had to turn it on to see what was that... Let me try

[cinder tapir]

If I have a ability that lasts multiple rounds is there a moduel that I need to check if players are within that area?

Or if they enter the area*

[inland vortex]

i'm sorry man, i don't remember how to use the control

shift s

[vast bane]

when you come to this channel wanting to make something, always just share the description of the item, its much easier on helpers as translating what you want with your cryptic terms that we don't use makes it harder, just show us the description

[random jolt]

The weird part is that the game is not frozen... I just cannot interact with tokens...

[cinder tapir]

O I was more so trying to see if I could even do it

[vast bane]

print screen, open mspaint, paste, select it, ctrl C, ctrl v in discord

[cinder tapir]

before I make it

[vast bane]

your statement was too vague to answer, description please 8)

you can make just about anything with macros, if you give us description someone can share it already made or give you an idea how to do it

[cinder tapir]

I see

So when I am making these abilities and spells

there also known as macros?

[vast bane]

no, macros are javascript code run in specific ways, sometimes on items, sometimes on active effects

sometimes what you want can be done with other more user friendly means that don't involve macros

can't tell ya till ya give us context 😉

your specific ask leads me to three different ideas but if you clarify it by simply sharing a use case I can better answer you

@random jolt I think your original problem was exactly what I thought, you have a setting on in midi that references a module you do not have installed

either the template setting here is referencing walled templates or df templates and you don't have it installed or...

Cover setting here is referencing levels auto cover or simbuls and you don't have that installed:

(Or both)

There is also a chance the simbuls cover calculator revamp that just dropped broke in midiqol, have to wait for people to report it, as you can see, I don't use it 😉

[random jolt]

I am looking into it

The problem persists... 😦 Even when I refresh the page...

It just lags like crazy...

[vast bane]

the debugger is still on or theres lag?

[random jolt]

Nope

It needs to finish processing something before I can interact with the tokens again...

[vast bane]

open the console with the debugger off and show me what is there when you do the act of casting fireball

[random jolt]

Just so weird...

Gimme a sec

[vast bane]

did you check those two locations in midi's settings

I strongly feel its cause you have a module not installed

[inland vortex]

i'm sorry man, i'm not able to figure out how to take a screenshot on this computer. i can stream if you like

[vast bane]

are you on windows?

[inland vortex]

yes

[vast bane]

on the keyboard to the left of scroll lock is print screen

hit that button, then open mspaint and paste from clipboard

[random jolt]

As you can see I tried to move the guy no luck...

Everything is frozen...

[vast bane]

how many users are connected?

bottom left

[random jolt]

Just me

[vast bane]

your reaction window is timing out, who owns the targets?

you?

AH HAH

THAT is the module you are missing

you have saves set to Monks tokenbar or Let me roll that for you, and you do not have said module

workflow button, workflow tab, save section, the 3 drop downs at the end of the save section, the two for DM's are set to either LMRTFY or MTB and you don't have the module

[random jolt]

After it unfroze this error came up... Not sure if it is related...

[cinder tapir]

I created a spell that apply weakened to people, though when they are using a attack that has it's ability modifier set to strength midi is not automatically halfing the damage?
Could it be because the effect is a ability check?

[random jolt]

I think I have that set to Let me roll that for you

But I should have both modules 😦

[vast bane]

I incorrectly assumed the reaction info in this image was midi, you have module conflicts, that is not midi doing the reaction

[vast bane]

midi's reaction prompt is this:

[random jolt]

Hmm

[vast bane]

start by clearing all of these out

[random jolt]

Which module could be conflicting?

Ohh snap!

[vast bane]

if it was none of these, share me your module list in a dm

if you find the culprit please lte me know so I can add it to the list if it wasn't here, let me know anyway so my curiosity is quenched

[random jolt]

Ohh lord, you might have found the issue... Restarting the server...

[vast bane]

Which roller did you try to use with midi ;p

My guess is ASE

[random jolt]

Fast Rolling by Default and Multiattack 5e

[inland vortex]

hmm, the whole shot, not the cropped one

[vast bane]

oof

[random jolt]

Just a sec before we celebrate.

[vast bane]

can you share your module list to me in a DM?

[random jolt]

Still lagging though...

[vast bane]

right away one red flag you have is using CPR with cub, its not technically bad to have, its just that cpr makes you install dfreds Ce so the two modules conflict with each other, normally you shut off condition lab/enhanced conditions but you appear to have it on.

[vast bane]

I'm going to attribute it to 130 modules

you also still have a debugger on

[random jolt]

Not from MIDI

[vast bane]

mouse over "targetreaction" in the top half of that console log and look at its filepath

[cinder tapir]

If a character has "Weakened" on them, will midi automatically reduce strength attacks by half damage?

[vast bane]

lol

ok this is gonna be hard to hear but you got a road ahead of you

when you updated to v10, you never updated your modules properly, you have to go through all 132 of them, and manually make sure they are all v10, if they have a yellow v9 or older, uninstall/reinstall, if it comes back still 9 or older, yeet it. Also since you have 132 modules, it is very likely one of them is modulemanagement +. That module makes this step hard, and is probably exactly why you never discovered the issue as it hides the compatibility warning.

[random jolt]

Dear lord man...

[vast bane]

actually come to think of it, FTC does have that warning they haven't updated it, for whatever reason, so thats not going to be bad, but still, you need to fix your modules, and honestly, if your chief complaint is lag, cut your modules in half.

sure people will chime in with 100+ modules and say they have no issues, but they aren't you. They don't have the same 100 modules as you. Trim the fat, specially out dated modules. and for the love of god, findout what module has that debugger on and yeet it

[vast bane]

The easy answer is no, did you make this weakened, is it from a premade? Midi SRD and CPR have ray of enfeeblement automated but I'm not sure if its automation is called weakened

[cinder tapir]

It was just a option that comes with dnd 5e i suppose

Is there ways to do things similar to that

perhaps reducing the next attack by a % etc.

[vast bane]

it requires macros, but yes, midi srd and cpr have ray of enfeeblement that does exactly that

[random jolt]

Thank you @vast bane you deserve a raise! That was a hard one to find. I spent hours trying to solve this one.

[vast bane]

that module list gave me the shivers.

That was alot of bad modules lol

[tranquil island]

What change mode should i use for the damage reduction flag? Im trying to make it so the effect reduces slashing damage by 1

[cinder tapir]

Not really understand what you mean by this "midi srd and cpr have ray of enfeeblement that does exactly that"

are you talking about a spell called ray of engeeblement?

Also is there a place where I can find basic macros?

[vast bane]

you could try to learn javascript then write them sure, but there is not a place for simple macros

midi srd and CPR are modules that offer premade items you can just drag to sheets and theur automation works

Ray of Enfeeblement is a spell in dnd5e that halves the damage of whomever is struck by it, if their attribute they roll with is strength

[vast bane]

most people make the mistake of using the wrong attribute key, show me what one you are using

its also in the wiki

[tranquil island]

flags.midi-qol.DR.slashing

im using the damage reduction flag

im just wondering which mode to do it in

[vast bane]

I believe add is the suggested, but custom works, it can just lead to problems

[tranquil island]

thanks

[vast bane]

wait I think its the other way around

custom, but add works, just leads to problems when you somehow stack them

[tranquil island]

ill try it out either way

thanks

and does the effect stack with other damage reductions?

say there are two effects that provide DR of 3 to slashing, would it stack to 6?

[vast bane]

you can see that if you mouse over the token in the DM damage card

[tranquil island]

ah ok

thanks

[cinder tapir]

I see the custom ones have a macro thing

Is there a plae I can go to edit the macro?

To make it do slightly different things?

Like adjusting the numbers etc

Also would there be a way to make a over time healing/dps spells without coding?

[short aurora]

itemMacro specifically is a macro embedded into the item, you need the module Item Macro to see those.

Over time healing/dps can be done by OverTime with Midi https://gitlab.com/tposney/midi-qol#flagsmidi-qolovertime-overtime-effects

[vast bane]

when you install item macro, turn off character sheet hooks in its settings, it directly conflicts with midiqol and breaks all macros

the Midi sample items compendium has an example of healing over time called "regeneration"

@cinder tapir the problem is you are brand spankin new, so its all french to you. Eventually you will learn the ropes and start to catch on but right now...just gotta watch and absorb. Its more nuanced than we can give you of an answer. Some items are really simple to make, and then others require 300 lines of javascript

one way I utilize to figure otu things is I think of something that does something similar and see if someones made it, and then try to reverse engineer it

[cinder tapir]

Where is character sheet hooks located in the settings

[violet meadow]

Item Macro settings

[cinder tapir]

ooo

[vast bane]

in item macros settings its pretty easy to spot theres only like 6 checkbox settings in it, its the one that uses "character sheet hooks"

[cinder tapir]

Its inside the item macro module

O ok ill get that

I was trying to look through the 5e settings

[vast bane]

Krig was instructing you to install it, thats an often forgotten instruction when mixing that module with midi, people leave its sheet hooks on

[cinder tapir]

LEave off?

[vast bane]

the module is being hijacked by midiqol to hold all of its shit for it, its actual features are not wanted by midi users

normally users can just never have it installed, you only have to install it if you need to edit the macros stored with it

[cinder tapir]

Ok cool, so the over time thing

Is that a thing I need to download?

Or is that already inside Midi

[vast bane]

its an active effect key that accepts very specific syntax and then it will just work over time for the duration

the premade regeneration in the midi sample items is an example of overtime healing

overtime damage would probably be um...acid arrow maybe?

[violet meadow]

Does anyone use Regenerate out of combat? Does this need to be automated? Thoughts?

[vast bane]

Technically regenerate can only happen out of combat bugbear

(look at its casting time)

[cinder tapir]

An active effect key

where is that located?

[vast bane]

we need to put vampiric touch or some other lifetap spell/item in the item ideas on the wiki, that dang thing gets requested too often not to be lol

[violet meadow]

I meant for the 1 hp per turn part

[cinder tapir]

Confused on what exactly the over time thing is

[violet meadow]

You will need to take a look at THE readme https://gitlab.com/tposney/midi-qol/-/blob/v10/README.md 😅

[vast bane]

I feel like the problem here is that you don't actually know core dnd5e well yet, and you haven't told us what you are literally making so we're just answering parts that you aren't understanding, give us the description of the item you are trying to make

[violet meadow]

Then we can help with any confusion (and there will be 😄 )

[vast bane]

I'd suggest watching alaustin's tutorials first before midi readme lol

[cinder tapir]

I am trying to make a item

that when put on a person

heals them for a specific amount, then heals then again for a smaller amount for 3 turns.

Like a spell

[vast bane]

is the initial literally at the time the spell is cast?

then the following 3 turns its the same lesser amount?

sounds like acid arrow only healing instead of acid

[cinder tapir]

The spell heals for (amount) right away when they use the spell

[violet meadow]

Give the spell a healing formula for the initial heal.
Then add a DAE with a MidiQOL Overtime effect with a duration of 3 rounds.

[cinder tapir]

Then heals for (Smaller amount) at the start of 3 turns

Ok DAE

I haven't really learned about what that is

Though i know its a opinion at the top of spells

[vast bane]

dae should auto complete the overtime key if you just type overtime in the attribute key

[violet meadow]

Take a look at the readme I linked. You will have to do it sooner or later if you're to be using MidiQOL

[vast bane]

the dae button is the best method to create an active effect on an item(opinion) we just say dae to get people to press that button

[cinder tapir]

This is the screen?

If so where do I input the formula?

[vast bane]

When you have read the readme, and are ready to pop the values into the effect value field of your overtime active effect, you can utilize this nifty cheat sheat to copy and paste off of so that you don't typo anything, but do NOT skip the step of reading the midi readme first.

||https://github.com/MotoMoto1234/Midi-Wiki/wiki/Overtime-Cheat-Sheet||

click the plus symbol to the right of new in your image above to make a new active effect, the reason why the wrench is better to do this is cause it usually attaches the items icon to the ae

[cinder tapir]

What is the readme?

[vast bane]

he linked it above, its the instruction manual for midiqol

[cinder tapir]

I've read the readme, not really understanding what the link is trying to give me in regards to over time

nor am I still sure where to put the value

I assume here

[violet meadow]

Yes

[cinder tapir]

Ok

So the link that was sent

where in that do over times even come up

[violet meadow]

https://gitlab.com/tposney/midi-qol/-/blob/v10/README.md#flagsmidi-qolovertime-overtime-effects

As I said, its a trove of knowledge if you take you time 😉

[vast bane]

the cheat sheet is meant for you to copy and paste so that you don't mistakenly misspell or miss case the syntax of them since the effect value of an overtime is very very strict

[cinder tapir]

I've read this

inside the read me

I'm confused on where i'm putting all this info lol

I assume this is the first step

[vast bane]

perhaps you should look at an example, go to the midi sample items compendium and look at the effect on hold person

[cinder tapir]

But where am I adding the extra stuff you guys are talking about

[cinder tapir]

This is what im looking at

I'm looking at the effects

of hold person

[vast bane]

that is not hold person in the midi sample items

that is hold person in DAE SRD which you should not have installed

[cinder tapir]

?

I was told to install this

earlier

because it had different spells on it

[vast bane]

and your modules handling status effects are screwed up

DAE SRD is constantly confused with either Midi SRD or Dynamic Effects using Active Effects

[cinder tapir]

O ok I see now

so what is wrong with my moduels handling status effects

[vast bane]

DAE SRD is a poorly named module that died in v8 foundry that constantly gets installed by accident cause its name is very similar to much cooler modules

[vast bane]

The fact that Asleep exists means you have nothing handling them

[cinder tapir]

Those are all of my ones

So get rid of SRD?

[vast bane]

no don't get rid of that

wtf is that hold person from then?

[vast bane]

wrong compendium first off, but I'm shocked midi srd has THAT for an active effect

is it because he has none of the supporting modules?

[cinder tapir]

Do I need to get more moduels?

[vast bane]

nope you need to just look closer at the modules compendiums, I said Midi Sample Items

[violet meadow]

Midi SRD kinda needs DFreds CE

[vast bane]

thats why its misaligned right?

its set to asleep instead of paralyzed cause its assuming CE's exist

[violet meadow]

It should be a paralysed (CE) in the Hold Person with the CE installed

Yeah it gets the 1st available

[cinder tapir]

Should I download that?

[vast bane]

nah lets tackle overtimes first

find the midi sample items compendium, it comes with midiqol

you just chose the wrong compendium

[cinder tapir]

Yep I found it

So the Macro Convient effects

[vast bane]

expand that box so you can properly read it

[violet meadow]

Again needed 😛

[cinder tapir]

What are all the different effect values?

[vast bane]

don't worry about that you are only looking at the overtime as an example the rest can be solved later

those are in the readme that you said you read 😉

[cinder tapir]

For the "Paralyzed"

Well inside the read me

Paralyzed is only said twice

[violet meadow]

Off to finally work on MidiSRD! 👋

[vast bane]

the point of this exercise was to show you an example of a built overtime

[cinder tapir]

there is no list of different things

[vast bane]

paralyzed has nothing to do with this

jesus

[cinder tapir]

Well i'm trying to figure out how it works

[vast bane]

stop looking at the dang condition, you are trying to make an overtime, look at the overtime key and only the overtime key

[cinder tapir]

Well it seems you can do status effects like paralyze

I've read the top one

[vast bane]

there ya go, you have an example and the manual, deductive logic should get you the rest of the way in how to "Make an item that heals immediately and then heals over time for 3 more rounds"

in the readme overtime section go down each of the entries and ask yourself if you need it for the heal over time

another good example, infact a much better example, in that very same midi samples item, theres a regeneration overtime that is a heal over time

[cinder tapir]

How do you get it so you can type?

I have to manually scroll through all the options

Though I see in this guys screenshot they can type to get it suggested to them

Ok I can magically do it now

[vast bane]

click on the top field

I scrolled up, you clearly could you just never did, you clicked the drop down instead

also pro tip, when you get suggested auto completes, it shows a max of 10, but you have to fiddle with the scroller to see past 3, the auto complete kinda falls off the window and doesn't go past the bottom of the screen till you scroll

its really glitchy there

Surprised @coarse mesa hasn't figured out how to fix that lil css mistake

[cinder tapir]

Ok so it heals, then says on for 3 turns but isn't healing every turn after

I assume this is incorrect

[coarse mesa]

I’ve not noticed it tbh. I’m mostly using a trackpad when I’m playing with AEs and just used to scrolling with that

[vast bane]

you likely typed the wrong stuff in the ae, show us what the ae has, I wanna see all 3 "tabs" of the active effect

[vast bane]

am I right that its a css thing?

[vast bane]

missing all 3 commas in lines 1-3

[cinder tapir]

so true

[vast bane]

but fwiw, now you know why I share the cheat sheet to people fiddling with overtimes 0_0

[coarse mesa]

Yeah it would be

[vast bane]

I specifically designed the cheat sheet so that the only copy/paste without a comma is label= which is basically on every overtime so just always do label last and the sheet is perfect to copy/paste

[cinder tapir]

wait

Uh

it did not add the ,'s

https://tenor.com/view/finally-sponge-bob-angry-gif-13511443

It works thank u

[vast bane]

in my cheat sheet there is a rollMode= option for if you want the heal whispered or public, or self roll

not sure if thats in the readme yet, he just added it, may only be in the changelog, tim needs a secretary hehe

[cinder tapir]

I see the part that talks about making things be able to stack

though not really sure where the setting is located

or if its something I add to the effect value

Just can't find where it is though it mentions it

[vast bane]

stacking is on the first tab of active effects, its a drop down

also he's referring to a midi sample item so you can actually find that item and look at it

[cinder tapir]

O I see

[pliant matrix]

would it be possible to create an effect that automated the regeneration of monsters?

[cinder tapir]

Yea

Create a effect that is perm that heals constantly on their turns

[vast bane]

if you mean trolls and such, yes, but the damage stopping it will require some automation macros that I don't know how to do

one already exists

Regeneration premade in midi sample items compendium

I personally don't like how that one rolls publicly though:

I didn't know how to stop regen if damage has been applied so I just put it in the label

[cinder tapir]

Would it be possible to make a spell that would put a damageType=temphp shield on someone as a buff, and go away when the temphp shield was broken by damage?

[vast bane]

world scripts for ending effects on updates of the token

is it just temp hp?

if so then you don't and shouldn't use an active effect for that

never ever ever add temp hp or hp, or even max hp in an active effect

unless its via an item macro key or the overtime key

directly modding system.yadayada.hp and temphp will break the token to be invulnerable

[cinder tapir]

Is there a way to make a active effect on someone, that will trigger if they are hit by daamge?

[vast bane]

give us the description of what you are trying to make, you could be totally down the wrong path to making the item

preferrably the literal description of the item

[cinder tapir]

I want to make a spell that will act as a buff for 1 round, if the person with the buff takes damage during having that buff, they will have damage prevented.

[vast bane]

how much damage?

[cinder tapir]

Well is there a way to specify the amount?

[vast bane]

does it shield say 5 damage from all instances of damage for that round, or does it shield 5 and then fades after the first time they are damaged?

[cinder tapir]

The first time they are damaged

It will apply a shield

[vast bane]

is the item a reaction or something they activate on their turn?

[cinder tapir]

I assume the effect

of the buff that is put on the person from the spell

will be a reaction

[vast bane]

sounds like stones endurance to me

only a spell

[cinder tapir]

Seems so without the modifer

Would that be possible?

[vast bane]

totally possible

how does CPR not have stones endurance lol, I have to go enable MASIF to get it

[cinder tapir]

which of the settings on the cheat sheet

are used for it?

[vast bane]

none

its not an overtime key

[cinder tapir]

So true...

😭

[vast bane]

(Add might be wrong, it might be custom)

replace my effect value for whatever you want

[cinder tapir]

Hell yea ty

[vast bane]

Make sure you turn on and setup reaction prompting or they won't ever get a chance to fire this before attacks in midi with auto rolling on

[cinder tapir]

I assume if I want to make this a spell you can cast on not only yourself but others, I adjust it to creature, and add a duration to it.

[vast bane]

oh shit

yeah this is where not having the support modules suck

you need times up module for sure, possibly simple calendar

[vast bane]

if you want it to show up on the token as a lil icon, then don't put a real duration, instead put the name of the effect in the force show field.

if you don't see the special duration option I listed, you lack supporting modules, probably times up, maybe simple calendar

[cinder tapir]

So should it be a reaction

if its a action spell that you place on someone?

[vast bane]

there are 3 reactions that prompt, reaction, reaction targetted, reaction damaged, you want that to prompt on reaction damaged

in the items details tab you should have the option to set what reaction it is, look above in my other images for where

reaction prompts regardless of hit, reaction damaged prompts if they are hit

reaction manual is what you use for reactions that you never wanna see in combat(feather fall)

[cinder tapir]

This one?

I see it now

Duh

lol

If it's set to reaction damaged, how can I make this so I can use it on other people?

[vast bane]

I'm gonna hope nobody corrects me when I say you can't

the only way is an advanced thing that I really don't think you can setup

the reaction prompt system only works with the target of an activity

nobody else can interject into the workflow

[cinder tapir]

So there is no way to make it so I can make a spell that can be cast on other players that reduce damage?

Kinda like a buff

[vast bane]

you can, but it would never interrupt the workflow

[cinder tapir]

not sure what that means

[vast bane]

you could totally do it manually if you don't fast forward

but like I sometimes feel like I'm the only person in this channel who doesn't fast forward

99% of midi users get the module to skip the advantage/normal/disadvantage and crit/normal popouts and have midi automate it all. Because of this, you can't interrupt workflows as a third party, you could if everyone stopped the automation and waited for manual reactions.

[cinder tapir]

So creating buffs on other players that active when specific activation instances are required is pretty hard to create?

[real sluice]

I've done that with the blindfighting feat but its not overruling the invisibility

[velvet raptor]

Hey people! Is there a way to get a larger template for upcasting a spell like fog cloud without just having the spell X amounts of time in the spellbook? 🙂

[vast bane]

I personally would not waste my time making it, its not a spell that gets heavily used, I rarely do the rare spell casts, but I'll take it if someone makes it.

i wonder if the animation changes in size if you manually edit the template after cast

[velvet raptor]

We have a house rule about grease being able to be upcast and I am going to use that a lot in the coming campaign but, if the Moto says it not worth the time it isnt.

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-office-thank-thank-you-thanks-gif-25386923

[vast bane]

I run dotmm, fog cloud just was never cast, I actually will take their prepared spells and automate them if they aren't after the first session that they set their spells in campaign, have never had to touch that, grease is already automated.

and the answer is no on template editing after the fact changing the animation:

[velvet raptor]

Yeah no, its about the template size. The rest works fine.

[short aurora]

What's the scaling?

[velvet raptor]

from grease' 10 ft to +5ft for every spell level above 1st.

[vast bane]

it'd be even better if it went around corners lol

[short aurora]

Walled Templates should let you do that

[violet meadow]

Walled Templ--

[vast bane]

I meant as a joke for the grease spell since it'd be funny to turn a dungeon into covered in slime hehe

Wtf, I just found the most amazing thing in the midi sample items and I had no idea it existed lol.

No way this slipped past me in the changelog

Has this key existed this whole time lol?

why were we doing macros if its as easy as this?

This has to be new lol

[short aurora]

It's been there for the last 5 versions at least

[vast bane]

Sittin here tryin to find the feats in Midi srd then It hit me, theres only 1 and he probably didn't touch it lol.

[violet meadow]

Its from early March

[vast bane]

https://github.com/MotoMoto1234/Midi-Wiki/wiki/Feats

[sudden crane]

It could be feasible with the new target on use flags, when cast is would add an effect with the proper flag, like preApplyTargetToken which would call a macro that reduces the damage

[short aurora]

@sudden crane Your suggestion of making a template scale through an on use macro preItemRoll, is there a way to update the template the item's about to roll in the workflow or were you thinking to create a new item and roll that instead?

[vast bane]

it can't be pre item roll cause it needs to know what level you cast it at right?

[sudden crane]

Was thinking on updating the rolled item to update the size of the template

[violet meadow]

It's tricky to find the proper hook

[sudden crane]

You are right…

[vast bane]

for fog cloud it doesn't really have a workflow you could just edit it before automated animations starts

[violet meadow]

You will need to get the args for the spellLevel and then try to Hook on the preCreateTemplateDocument maybe

[sudden crane]

Let me check if there is dnd5e hook called before the template is created but after the dialog…

[vast bane]

all you really want is to have the template the right size before AA fires

holy cow

guys we technically don't even need midi or item macro

its about an animation anyway, just use Automated animations macro

[violet meadow]

It's for targeting too, no?

[vast bane]

fog clouds template is just to set its size I think

nothing happens to the targets right?

they aren't blind, just everything is behind full cover

heavily obscured

[sudden crane]

The last dnd5e hook called before the template placement is “dnd5e.itemUsageConsumption”

So in preItemRoll, register a hook.once on that and update the item accordingly, the spell level should be in one of the args

@gilded yacht you forgot to add await on two triggerTargetMacros calls, preApplyTargetDamage and isDamaged

[short aurora]

@violet meadow You mentioned ages ago that you used a world script for your player A reacts on player B being attacked within 5 ft stuff, like fighting style: protection, can you show your setup so I can steal that? I did see you post an item with active auras but I have no aura needs beyond this one for now

[violet meadow]

Might be easier ```js
Hooks.once("preCreateMeasuredTemplate", (...args) => {
const itemUuid = args[0].flags.dnd5e.origin;
const workflow = MidiQOL.Workflow.getWorkflow(itemUuid);
const { castLevel, baseLevel } = workflow.castData;
let updates;
if (baseLevel && castLevel) updates = {distance: 20 + 5*(castLevel - baseLevel)};
if (updates) args[0].updateSource(updates);
})

Oh sorry that was for the template radius change

[violet meadow]

I'll try to dig that up. I vaguely remember something and for sure I haven't used this recently

[vast bane]

isn't protection alot easier now with the new reaction?

Reaction Targeted

Oh its reaction pre attack roll

[sudden crane]

For third party reactions you still need an aura to trigger on the real target which would call the macro associated to the aura owner. Or a world script that register on the proper midi hook

What is easier to do without an aura is damage retribution

[vast bane]

yeah I use one active auras third party reaction and then another I use in a really nifty way, I have protective bond third party reaction via peace cleric cause it doesn't need to be creatures near a character, it needs to just be the bondees

[violet meadow]

Fire Shield and all these spells or abilities are easily done now.

I am trying to remember the conversation that Krig mentioned 🤔

[sudden crane]

For third party reactions, midi would need to go through all the tokens in the scene to check if they have third party reactions items which should have an activation condition to allow pre checking if the conditions allow the third party reaction.
But performance would probably be impacted by all these check at every step of the workflow

[short aurora]

#1010273821401555087 message from here and then down

[violet meadow]

This is what I had started doing as an add hoc on the automated conditions 5e module.
Check for available reactions and, parsing some info about when to call them, make it available.

Not an easy to share code snippet

[short aurora]

Fair dues, worth a shot

[vast bane]

if we don't fast forward a third party reaction could fire if it gets in before the attacker rolls damage right?

or is the workflow not going to be modified if I suddenly gave it an attack fail key?

then again, if you don't fast forward the dm could just say "Don't roll damage"

[real sluice]

please does anybody know how to overrule a disadvantage flag in dnd5e? the character in question has see all and sense all set as detection modes. also has flags for detection in blindfighting feat. but nothing i do gets rid of the disad from foe being invisible

[violet meadow]

probably something is missing here. I will take another look

[sudden crane]

For reaction before damage, yes, manual reactions can be used before clicking on the damage button, but you cannot update the original workflow, the only way to affect it is with active effect added to the real target, that’s what I did with Barbarian’s Spirit Shield

[scarlet gale]

That's actually RAW

[short aurora]

Invisible just straight up grants disadvantage on attack rolls towards the target, has no bearing on actual visibility

It is the weirdest ability

[violet meadow]

OK this should work for updating the template radius based on the spellLevel

[vast bane]

the feature has to specifically say that it cancels or dispels invisible condition

look at the wording for faerie fire

(which may not be automated properly in foundry)

[scarlet gale]

They didn't mention that spell?

[vast bane]

I was just suggesting faerie fire for how wording should be

incase they are making homebrew

[short aurora]

It works, the preview shows the normal template though, any idea if that's improvable?

[violet meadow]

It does a small update

[short aurora]

Maybe a cloned item with the changes is better for actual use

[scarlet gale]

Could warpgate the item really early maybe

[violet meadow]

Not easy to do, as the preItemRoll will not have the spellLevel

[scarlet gale]

Ah

Synthetic item then

[vast bane]

could just completely abandon workflow and make a macro that asks for a spell level, and makes the template and animation and expends the spell slot

[scarlet gale]

Complicated with concentration potentially

[violet meadow]

I mean you would need to cancel one workflow and roll the synthetic, which is too much trouble for my liking

[short aurora]

The last hitch with this method just seems to be for the player to visually see the template being created, functionally it's great

Another hook on whatever renders the template before you place it, maybe?

[violet meadow]

Yeah it needs the previewTemplate and then updates it to match the provided data

Or you could Hook on the dnd5e.itemUsageConsumption and then change the item's properties as Elwin said

[real sluice]

Understood, but surely there must be a way to override. See invisibility should do this but doesnt

[violet meadow]

~~That should do it 🤔 ```js
Hooks.once("dnd5e.itemUsageConsumption", async (...args) => {
const itemUuid = args[0].uuid;
const workflow = MidiQOL.Workflow.getWorkflow(itemUuid);
const { castLevel, baseLevel } = workflow.castData;
if (baseLevel && castLevel) await workflow.item.update({"system.target.value": 20 + 5*(castLevel - baseLevel)});
});

You might want to change the item radius back after the fact, but no matter what it will be correct, as the update happens with each casting

[short aurora]

It doesn't seem to update "fast" enough, so using this will just make your next item cast the scaled size instead of the current one

[violet meadow]

Ha does it not? ffs I thought it did

[short aurora]

I can't think of a good way personally. I don't really recall it being done before either.

Conceptually; an actor on use macro to look through the sources of disadvantage in the workflow, find Invisibility, and update workflow to remove it from the list of sources before the attack roll resolves, but looking through Midi's arguments, I can't quite find where those are and iterating through all of your targets' effects to try and find/match seems janky.

[violet meadow]

What about using a see invisible detection mode?

[real sluice]

just dont understand why they implemented see invisibility if it has no functionality

[real sluice]

tried that. doesnt work for me

it brings up the ATE visual effect but does nothing to remove disad

[violet meadow]

Get the Lantern of revealing Item from the sample items

lastArgs = args[args.length -1];
const token = await fromUuid(lastArgs.tokenUuid);

if (args[0] === "on") {
    const updates = {};
    updates["flags.midi-qol.revealingSave"] = {
        "light.angle": token._source.light.angle,
        "light.bright": token._source.light.bright,
        "light.dim": token._source.light.dim,
        "light.animation": token._source.light.animation,
        "light.alpha": token._source.light.alpha, 
        "light.contrast": token._source.light.contrast,
        "light.color": token._source.light.color,
        "detectionModes": token._source.detectionModes
    };
    updates["light.angle"] = 360;
    updates["light.bright"] = 30;
    updates["light.dim"] = 60;
    updates["light.alpha"] = 0.1;
    updates["light.contrast"] = 0.5;
    updates["light.color"] = "#f8c377";
    const detectionModes = token.detectionModes;
    detectionModes.push({id: "seeInvisibility", enabled: true, range: 30});
    updates["detectionModes"] = detectionModes;
    return await token.update(updates);
} else if (args[0] === "off") {
    const updates = token.flags["midi-qol"].revealingSave;
    updates["flags.midi-qol.-=revealingSave"] = null;
    console.error("Updates ", updates)
    return await token.update(updates)
}

I thought that should work 🤔

[short aurora]

Most of what Midi implements isn't dnd5e, dnd5e introduced See Invisibility to visually (for the player) see invisible tokens selectively. All the advantage/disadvantage stuff is Midi.

[violet meadow]

I can see the flags and I thought that would work

oh well 🤷

[short aurora]

(For your question of why they implemented see invisibility with no functionality, dnd5e doesn't do any of that stuff regardless, it's meant to mimic a tabletop experience at a physical table - by and large)

[real sluice]

ok, starting to understand, but in a situation where ads/disads are automated, im at a loss as to what to do

so the single disad cancels out all ads even though it shouldnt apply

[violet meadow]

wait a minute, I think I got it. testing

[real sluice]

it seems the only option is to turn off midi automation which is exactly what i dont want to have to do

[vast bane]

rules as written the invisible conditions benefits still apply but spells which require sight will work if they can also see invisible people.

There are nuanced rules that alot of people don't even know exist with spellcasting that matters for see invisible

[short aurora]

They do still have a point of Faerie Fire, like you mentioned earlier. It doesn't dispel, it just nullifies Invisible, which means as auto gearheads, it'd be nice if we had a way

Considering advantage attribution literally compiles a list, I do wonder if midi just has sources of adv/dis somewhere and I just can't find them

[vast bane]

just pre item roll suspend invisible on the target, at end reenable it

or suspend it till the stripper dust is off them

Does condition immunity effect an existing condition on them?

[violet meadow]

Try this for the invisibility condition for the disadvantage
key: flags.midi-qol.grants.disadvantage.attack.all
mode: Custom
value: workflow.token.document.detectionModes.find(d=>d.id === "seeInvisibility") ? MidiQOL.getDistance(workflow.token,workflow.targets.first(),false,true) > workflow.token.document.detectionModes.find(d=>d.id === "seeInvisibility").range : true;

[real sluice]

sounds ideal but i have no idea how to do that

[violet meadow]

hmm logical mindfrack

will test again

OK got it 😄

[real sluice]

drum roll. im excited

[violet meadow]

Same thing for granting advantage on the attacks correct?

If the target can see Invisible the invisible attacked shouldn't have advantage.

Hmm let's try that too

[real sluice]

indeed

i'm curious. are you tweaking module settings or writing a macro?

[violet meadow]

MidiQOL flags for Invisibility condition to respect the seeInvisibility detection Mode.

key: flags.midi-qol.advantage.attack.all
mode: Custom
value: workflow.targets?.first().detectionModes?.find(d=>d.id === "seeInvisibility") ? MidiQOL.getDistance(workflow.token,workflow.targets.first(),false,true) > workflow.targets.first().detectionModes.find(d=>d.id === "seeInvisibility").range : true

/**************************************************************************************/

key: flags.midi-qol.grants.disadvantage.attack.all
mode: Custom
value: workflow.token?.document.detectionModes?.find(d=>d.id === "seeInvisibility") ? MidiQOL.getDistance(workflow.token,workflow.targets.first(),false,true) > workflow.token.document.detectionModes.find(d=>d.id === "seeInvisibility").range : true; 

https://github.com/thatlonelybugbear/FoundryMacros/wiki/Item-Ideas#invisibility-condition-vs-see-invisibility

[violet meadow]

These are Activation Conditions for MidiQOL flags 😄

[real sluice]

just highlighting my lack of knowledge. I have no idea where to find those. In the module Json?

[violet meadow]

So how do you apply the Invisible condition?

It should have some MidiQOL flags on it, correct?

[real sluice]

various methods. first was via fog cloud coded to provide heavy obscurity (=invis), then tested by applying invis directly via token hud condition

[violet meadow]

Which module do you use for these conditions? DFreds CE for example?

[real sluice]

yes dfreds

[violet meadow]

OK go to DFreds, duplicate the Invisible condition and add the values in the relevant fields in the Invisible DAE

Does this make sense?

[languid wave]

Not sure where to post this, because it could be Midi, it could be DDBImporter. It looks like my hunter's mark isn't auto-applying the additional damage dice on hit.

The other spell I'm seeing issues with is Chill touch. It provides the animation, but it doesn't look like it ever rolls to hit or rolls damage.

I'm of course sure it's User error, I just don't know what's going on.

[violet meadow]

Does the Hunter's Mark have a DAE with a flag of onUpdateTarget?

[real sluice]

duplicated CE invis but no DAE tab

[languid wave]

Let me see if I can check and find that

[violet meadow]

Right click edit it. Does it not open up?

Effects Tab in this screen

[violet meadow]

Nice. Copy paste the Values provided in my previous post

Everything after the value:

[real sluice]

done that but still not getting expected result

[violet meadow]

Yeah there is a bug currently on DAE. Which version are you on?

It's DAE related, sorry

[violet meadow]

Did you reapply the new Invisible condition on the token?

[real sluice]

yes

[violet meadow]

OK and are you in range of the seeInvisibility detection Mode? 🤔

[languid wave]

10.0.37

I try to update all of my modules fairly frequently

err

sry that's midi

[violet meadow]

Yeah its DAE related, but still the same issue. You will need to wait for an update

[real sluice]

yes definitely

[languid wave]

do you know if it's the same issue with chill touch not rolling damage automatically?

[violet meadow]

Do you have advantage attribution on in MidiQOL settings?

Also can you check for any warnings in console from midi-qol?

Is there something like this?

[violet meadow]

Could be. Not sure which is the Chill Touch you're using

Check console for any errors

[real sluice]

think im getting somewhere now 🙂

[violet meadow]

Probably something else, based on this screenshot. Check for errors in the console.

[languid wave]

kk sec

weird

now it's rolling

scratches head<<

ok, cool

[winter halo]

I have a short question. I work with Midi Qol and Convinent Effects to recreate the rallying mark of the warlord by Kibbles Tasty. When applied it adds a certain amount to the next damage roll and heals the one who hits by the same amount. Which attribute Key do I need for either of those? Rules as written would be that is is in both cases the same amount but I am not that picky.

[bleak egret]

What effect do I need to add to the actor so that stuff like "Eldritch Invocations: Gift of the Ever-Living Ones" would grant it the max healing? I've added the effect "flags.midi-qol.max.damage.heal" but it doesn't seem to work. How do I fix that?

[violet meadow]

You probably need something like flags.midi-qol.grants.max.damage.heal | Custom | 1 if you want the actor with that effect on to get healed for max.

You can even check for the familiar to be in range with something like this instead of 1 in the Effect Value field ```js
findNearby(null, canvas.tokens.placeables.find(t=>t.actor.id === game.actors.getName("Unique name of the Master Actor").id), 100).some(t=>t.actor.id === game.actor.getName("Unique name of the Familiar Actor").id)

Change the placeholder Names above with the sidebar Actors for the Master and Familiar.

eg ```js
getName("Thorin").id //for an actor named Thorin

[bleak egret]

Thank you. I just tried. For some reason "Second wind" works - heals for maximum, but "Healing light" doesnt - still rolls. I guess the difference is Second wind only works for me, while Healing light can be used on other targets. I've added both "flags.midi-qol.max.damage.heal" and "flags.midi-qol.grants.max.damage.heal". Set as Custom and 1.

[violet meadow]

Yeah you can use both

depending on what the desired end result is.

[bleak egret]

Any idea what I might check to make the other ability work properly as well?

Nvm, I got it to work. Thank you

[inland vortex]

Good morning. Is there an automated version of the Inspiring Leader feat?

[violet meadow]

Good to know 😄

[bleak egret]

It's names, not actor IDs, right?

[frail osprey]

Silly question, but, if I use, for instance, 0.9, will it heal the target to 90% HP?

[short aurora]

It's a true or false flag, not a value flag

1 = true, 0 = false

Custom tends to be those

[frail osprey]

right, makes sense

[short aurora]

How'd you imagine automating this? It's something that takes 10 minutes so it's not something I've automated at my table personally - as in, the feat/action takes 10 minutes to do and that's not really battlemap material

[frail osprey]

so the code he wrote there will ultimately result in 1 or 0, right?

[short aurora]

It's basically just "on", yeah

on or off

[inland vortex]

I wanted the ability to add the temp hp when you use it, rather than doing it manually

[bleak egret]

I've set it up as you said, and it's healing for maximum regardless if the familiar is farther than 100 feet

Any chance there's some error in the code?

[violet meadow]

Just make it a healing action type with temphp as damageType in the damage formula

[violet meadow]

Might have an error, I am not at my PC now to check. Will revisit later

[bleak egret]

Thanks mate

[inland vortex]

I'll give it a go

[vast bane]

To be clear, this is not rules as written.

The Spell see invisibility does not cancel the condition of invisible. It only allows people to see an invisible creature for the purposes of op attacks and spellcasting.

[violet meadow]

This doesn't cancel the condition

It just negates advantage and disadvantage between the specific two actors

[vast bane]

but it should not do that

[violet meadow]

Any warnings in the console when healing?

[dark canopy]

whether it follows the rules as written or not, the use case for that macro is clear -- see invis negates adv/disadv between the two

[vast bane]

hes the author of midi srd, if he puts that in the module its not rules as written

[bleak egret]

No. just straight up give maximum value

[violet meadow]

Getting into #tabletop-discussion

[dark canopy]

no author is beholden to implementing anything 100% rules as written

[violet meadow]

So that condition either evaluates to true or it fails to evaluate at all, in which case a yellow warning should appear in console

[violet meadow]

Ok, it might not work as I expected it then. Will have to double check when I can.

[bleak egret]

Sorry, found the errors

[violet meadow]

Can you use the same flag with grants instead of that one?

[inland vortex]

When you are putting an effect value onto an ability, what is the formula for character level + charisma bonus? This is to automate the temporary HP in Inspiring Leader

[bleak egret]

As I understand this is what's causing the problem:
SyntaxError: Unexpected token 'i', "findNearby("... is not valid JSON
I've left only "grants" flag, still rolling max despite familiar being far

[inland vortex]

is it @details.level + @abilities.cha.mod?

[violet meadow]

I would suggest autocomplete inline properties module for these exact case of properties in formulas

And I think yes that's it

[inland vortex]

ty

[violet meadow]

Probably not an actually evaluated field that one then. 🤔 Will check later

[vast bane]

what key are you using in the active effect, cause that could be very bad if you are using the wrong active effect key

wheres @spice kraken with his copy paste

if its an overtime or a macro.execute/itemmacro then modding hp/temphp with an active effect is ok

[violet meadow]

I think they made an action type healing Item

[vast bane]

they mentioned Effect Value, which had me worried

[violet meadow]

That was the suggestion at least

[inland vortex]

do you mean like passive or active effect?

i've just gone into Inspiring leader and added an effect. It's currently under passive effects and gives temp hp.

[violet meadow]

Ehmm we suggested an Item that heals for tempHp 😁

[vast bane]

what is the attribute key you used?

[violet meadow]

As an exercise try to damage or reduce the hp of the affected actor

[vast bane]

if its system.something.something.hp, you did bad thing

[inland vortex]

hmm, maybe i did something evil

[violet meadow]

More chaotic neutral would be than evil 😅

[vast bane]

make an item that has an action type of healing, and then a damage/healing formula of X amount of temphp. Inspiring leader doesn't need an active effect, or at the very least remove the temp hp key

[inland vortex]

system.attributes.hp.temp

[violet meadow]

Yeah try damaging that creature and see what happens

[inland vortex]

odd things happened

[vast bane]

if theres any midi automation to be had from inspiring leader, its to catch they've already had it.

I'd put a blank ae for inspiring leader with a special duration of short and long rest

I do the same with the healer feats heal

then the party knows they can't inspire till that blank buff is off

[inland vortex]

i'm so new at this that i don't understand all the things you are saying. is there a similar sample item i might stare at to see how it's made. Otherwise I'm prolly gonna have to ask a lot of annoying questions

[vast bane]

no module has automated inspiring leader

This is not your item so it has differences, but generally speaking this is exactly what you'd make:

see the bottom third? how its action type does the temp hp heal

if you have times up module, I also do this for a blank ae to track if they've already had a buf done in between short rests:

[inland vortex]

ok

[vast bane]

this homebrew food my chef can make is basically the same as inspiring leader

the things in the item details to change would be icon, name, target info, limited uses, and the ability modifier drop down.

(and delete the attribute key in the active effect which basically made the creature invulnerable)

[inland vortex]

could it also be made to work like the False Life spell, and come at it from that angle? Just trying to learn here.

[vast bane]

false life is a spell

[inland vortex]

yes

Okay, I'll work on this for a bit

[vast bane]

yes dnd5e srd's false life is similarly setup just the wrong item type

generally speaking dnd5e srd items are usually bad to copy off of for midi but in this case its pretty safe

[inland vortex]

okay

If they come from Mr Primate DDBI, is he fixing them to work better with midi qol?

[vast bane]

If they have a blue checkmark yes:
https://github.com/MotoMoto1234/Midi-Wiki/wiki/Spells

[inland vortex]

ty

that is a nice link!

[vast bane]

I gave false life credit cause it purposely allows for dfreds CE to apply the blank ae on it

in DDBI

[inland vortex]

ok

[cinder tapir]

Moto is a npc bot

that never sleeps

[inland vortex]

I was able to make Inspiring Leader do what it's supposed to just by changing the action type to heal and setting the damage type to healing(temp), giving it a range and things like that. It seems to be working just fine

Trying to make it an effect was, as you said, a disaster

[vast bane]

I could be Chat GPT parading as a person

Im surprised someone hasn't attached chat gpt to anvil or foundrybot

Pretty sure thats how Skynet happens

What happens if you put the new dfreds toggle in a formula?

I wonder if it does nothing, if midi could add it that'd be...crazy

@toggleEffect[Grappled]

Gm screen just became alot cooler with this

Time to edit the conditions journal

it works with all ce's not just conditions 0_0

[cinder tapir]

I made this spell, it work besides the temp hp doesn't go away

Any way to fix 😳

[vast bane]

what is the description of the spell?

tmp hp as a cantrip is op af

[cinder tapir]

All my spells are cantrips

[vast bane]

ok, what is the description of the spell so I understand what you really want

[cinder tapir]

So basically

I cast the spell on 1 creature

Then they get a buff on them for 2 turns

(I just had it force show up)

They should have temp hp for 2 turns.

Then it should go away after the end of the 2nd turn.

[vast bane]

does it refill the temp hp on turn 1 and turn 2?

[cinder tapir]

nope

[vast bane]

there is no easy way to automate this

[cinder tapir]

Just a shield basically

No way to make temp HP go away after 2 rounds?

[vast bane]

you could effect macro on deletion to clear all temp hp, but what if they got temp hp on turn 2 that was unrelated, it would clear that too

[cinder tapir]

inside the effects tab?

[vast bane]

Here is an example of an effect macro you can plagerize and change to temp hp:

const {value, max} = actor.system.attributes.hp;
const v = Math.round(value * 1.4);
const t = Math.round(max * 0.4);
await actor.update({"system.attributes.hp": {value: v, tempmax: t}});

[cinder tapir]

Where does that go?

[vast bane]

figure out what the temphp key is, change line 4, delete lines 1-3

Effect macro modules on deletion

[cinder tapir]

Where does the code go

I see

[vast bane]

to be clear, my macro is not what you want, its just an example of an effect macro updating an actor

you need to figure out what the path is to temphp and then define its value as 0

[cinder tapir]

My one doesn't have the effect macro part

[vast bane]

You don't have the module installed

you could write a dae item macro instead but I dunno how to write that

[cinder tapir]

What is it called

[vast bane]

effect macro is just cleaner

*Effect Macro

[cinder tapir]

So i need to have both effect creation and deletion?

I can only add one

DO i need to add something in here?

Or insid ethe other part

[vast bane]

you can add every single option to the effect but I only told you to make a deletion, I dunno why you are asking about creation

theres no point in doing the adding of temp hp in a macro cause its already done on the item itself

[cinder tapir]

I was just going off this

Also first time using the moduel so

[vast bane]

because my example was not your item

that item adds hp to the actor on creation and removes it on deletion

[cinder tapir]

So I will just be using this await actor.update({"system.attributes.hp": {value: v, tempmax: t}});

[vast bane]

you just need to automate the removal of temp hp

[cinder tapir]

And I need to change the attributes HP to temp HP

[vast bane]

whatever temphp is, you can usually find that by selecting a token and typing _token.actor in the console

then diving into a bunch of data

alternatively you can cheat at this by using DAE active effect key auto completion to find it

[frail osprey]

won't this remove ALL temp HP? What if they get more temphp from other sources?

[cinder tapir]

What is DAE active effect key?

[vast bane]

but to be clear I'm not telling you to make an ae, I'm telling you to cheat and let dae auto complete the text to paste into the macro

[cinder tapir]

Not really sure what that even is

Or where that is

[vast bane]

this is where not learning core really shines on you, you really should go watch the faq tutorials so that you aren't always lost with basic terminology. Its literally what you've made constantly and is actually the original thing you made that I corrected you on

[cinder tapir]

Well there is a lot to learn and I started yesterday so

[vast bane]

before you made this, you made an active effect that we warned you would be broken, that active effects attribute key is literally what you want to replace in the macro with

[vast bane]

thats not an excuse for skipping the tutorials, go watch them now so yourlife is 10x easier when asking for help

[cinder tapir]

Where are the tutorials

[vast bane]

especially if your world is 100% homebrew, learning how to make things is what the tutorials is all about

[cinder tapir]

I'm not really sure what "the tutorials" are

[vast bane]

dnd5e faq

[cinder tapir]

there is a lot of tutorials on youtube

and all throught the discord

[vast bane]

https://discord.com/channels/170995199584108546/971797877359775824

[cinder tapir]

that channel was hidden for me

[vast bane]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlfCqPVeZ1U7yKmV48kbhsRUsGtn04NsE

[cinder tapir]

Well thanks for linking it

I'm just sayhing

This is what it looks like for me

But when I click your message with the channel

[vast bane]

threads are hidden till you join them

[frail osprey]

right click that channel and click join

[vast bane]

bottom line the key in the macro is going to be exactly what you plopped in the original active effect that you deleted so if you go back and recreate it you can copy/paste it easily into the macro(just don't leave that active effect afterwards as it was wrong to use in the first place)

its a hack to get the codes for macros without having to go fishing in the console

[cinder tapir]

I will just work on a different spell!

[vast bane]

and run into the same issue of asking for help and having us share the tutorial to you yet again.

[cinder tapir]

Well no

[vast bane]

how much of your world is homebrew and how much of it is 5e?

[cinder tapir]

I am watching the videos, but it seems like

The whole "It will remove other effects on it" will be a problem

So the spell itself I just got rid of

Um, my world is basically mostly homebrew just using 5e system

[vast bane]

you should uninstall midiqol and play with the core roller, watch the tutorials and build stuff in that system.

[frail osprey]

he could use WIRE, semiauto usually goes well with homebrew

[cinder tapir]

I like Midi

It's just I'm learning how to use it

[vast bane]

That would drive the dnd5e guys nuts trying to answer all the questions in that channel if he went with wire lol

theres like 2 people who know how to write for wire

[cinder tapir]

Basically my game is a PvP only campaign im making for a few friends, that revolves around an arena and fighting eachother.

All the techniques i've learned I've been putting into other spells

[frail osprey]

oh, well, then you'll have a shitload to learn, Truth

[cinder tapir]

like I can easily make over time healing spells now seeing how I was taught that yesterday

and the video showed I need to put + @clever carbon to even get the modifier

[vast bane]

and that was like pulling teeth trying to get you through that

[cinder tapir]

Well, you live and you learn

😳

as they say

[vast bane]

I'd hope so

[frail osprey]

you could use Bing AI to write some of the basic macros/codes you might need, but that requires some basic understanding of "what goes where"

[vast bane]

oh god don't send a day old user to that

the entire macro polo channel is quietly screaming right now

[frail osprey]

😆

[cinder tapir]

I've been having chatgpt help me with some spells

it helped me make a few

[vast bane]

for an experienced midi user though, chat gpt is amazing for helping you understand all the responses you get in macro polo and from the code gurus here

just literally copy and paste the replies from the coders here into chat gpt and it explains it to you like you are 5 lol

[frail osprey]

been there, done that, lol. It really is great

[vast bane]

you know what? thats probably actually true, chat gpt is on a 2 year delay but most item creations should be pretty accurate, just macro/javascript will be wrong

[frail osprey]

use Bing AI, it uses ChatGPT but has 100 tera more info

[vast bane]

also chat gpt will learn from you so if you tell it a code is wrong in midi macros it will keep that in mind, but only as long as you keep the conversation open

[cinder tapir]

Yea so it seems like, putting buffs on other people that will trigger a reaction for THEM is not easily do-able.

[vast bane]

pretty sure chat gpt 4 is the same as bing AI without the force fed microsoft edge

[frail osprey]

But ain't gpt4 closed to the public? I thought just gpt3 was free

[vast bane]

the method in which you can do that is so complicated and janky, that even the helper with janky as his middle name limits it to just 2 things in a world where I could make 1000 of them. That should say it all.

[frail osprey]

why do you hate yourself so much?

[vast bane]

It relies upon a module that is literally on life support, Mr. Primate keeps active auras alive purely for a few premades he offers in DDB importer lol.(I assume)

I wanna see KFC revived for v10/v11, its in fork form now but that module has so many cool tricks to it

[cinder tapir]

I don't hate myself

I am just trying to figure out what I can and cannot do!

https://tenor.com/view/learning-learnding-funny-the-simpsons-dumb-gif-5270072

Moto when I ask the same question he helped me with yesterday

[frail osprey]

I'm just joking with you, cos what you said is too hard to automate

granted that I'm one of the least knowledgeable ppl on this channel, but I wouldn't even know where to begin to do that

[cinder tapir]

Looking at the sample spells though are very helpful

in learning what I CAN do

[cinder tapir]

i saw something about my efffects being wrong or messaged up yesterday

Should it be asleep?

[vast bane]

that is a byproduct if an oversight by mod authors in how dfreds CE and Combat utility behave with midi

I think if you install dfreds Ce or cub, set it to the proper setup for midi, and then reinstall midi SRD it will fix, and I think the mod author can set a fallback value which they forgot to do

Asleep is a tell tale sign that the user is not using either of the condition automation modules with midi, which is technically ok, but not if you plan on homebrewing 100% of your world.

because Asleep is Unconscious in Cub and CE

[cinder tapir]

👁️

So

Erm

Do nothing?

I will ignore the spell

[vast bane]

I haven't the energy to answer that. Read the faq, watch the tutorial. Your conditions do nothing currently in your world. Is that what midi users generally want? No.

I genuinely do not know if dae auto populates the keys if you make a blinded via DAE, I assume no but I've never been in your position to find out.

I wonder if cub users have this problem now that I think about it, do the cub conditions auto populate midi flags, how does it know midi exists?

[cinder tapir]

Why do conditions do nothing?

I need to install dfreds ce or cub?

[vast bane]

with the amount of help you ask for here? I think you should pick dfreds CE, just cause 90% of us use that instead of cub. Cub is more of a generic module for all systems while dfreds Ce offers more features for dnd5e specifically.

[cinder tapir]

?

So installing this will add effects such as conditions automatically?

[vast bane]

what version of foundry and dnd5e are you on 0_o

[vast bane]

didn't he release a 4.2.2?

[cinder tapir]

I have no idea

Im using the forge

[vast bane]

weird I thought he released 4.2.2 guess not, you are fine with that version

[cinder tapir]

Ok so download the moduel?

And it will make it so my cc's work?

[vast bane]

like all things in foundry, nothing is plug and play you will have to enable it and then tweak its settings

these are my settings to cut that off at the pass, do with them what you want but the Replace drop down is the most critical one for your specific problem, set it to replace, it defaults to none.

[cinder tapir]

Ok I got it

Changed the settings to yours

[vast bane]

Once replace is set, theres a tool on the left that I like to call a "Jazz Hand" that opens dfreds menu, in there you can right click stuff and get a bunch of options, you can right click and toggle status icon to make it show up in the token huds statuses. Thats a typical first ask when people install it.

whenever you toggle A ce in this menu to status icons, you have to refresh your client for the changes to show up in the token hud

[cinder tapir]

O I see

those are all f the things I can now add

to my abilitites?

[vast bane]

honestly that menu mostly is for situationally rare things you do

as a midi user, now you should be able to look at that fear item in the compendium and it should be pointing to unconscious

restart your browser after setting replace

lets avoid that cache hiccup shall we

[cinder tapir]

It says frightened (ce)

Where do I see what that does

[vast bane]

Now on a blank item, at the top bar, you can click the wrench, which is what we usually refer to as dae's

and instead of choosing NEW in that drop down, you can now pick any of the CE's that are set as status conditions

[cinder tapir]

O ok nice

[vast bane]

For you this is great, for the spectators here who are CPR users, you probably don't want to use this feature as all of them are statusEffect and CPr kinda likes it when you use macro.CE instead(not for you truth, your world is homebrew CPr need not apply)

Kinda think midi srd will just add cub/dfreds as a mandatory in the next release, seems weird to add fallbacks to items that have no automation.

[cinder tapir]

ok these conditions are very useful

thnak u!

Is there any other moduels that adds more conditions or will that break it

[vast bane]

in dfreds CE's jazz hand you can create new CE's and then right click them as they show in the Custom FOlder and choose toggle as status icon, refresh the page and they will show up everywhere a condition would

Unless Tposney/dfreds has fixed the upcast issue, it is ill advised to make spell ce's as midi is not transferring spelldata to the ce's so they don't upcast.

unless the spell ce has no need to know what the level was that was cast

think of spells like aura of vitality

you can also drag a ce from the jazz hand onto an items effect tab if the item is on an actor(won't work if the items in the sidebar) as a quick way to fix a sheet you imported or something.

the most common one I do is Parry, as its almost entirely an npc ability, and its never setup right, so I made a Ce and either have midi auto apply it or drag it to a named npc if the parry is called something else

midi will auto detect if an item was rolled that matches a Ce and apply the CE to the target settings of the item fyi

it matches for perfect names so any additional characters or a rogue punctuation will cause the matching to fail

[cinder tapir]

any moduels or way to make so if I change what an item does it updates on player sheets or is that wishful thinking

[strong yew]

Tight. Warpgate is pretty nice. Got Breath of the Dragon working. Prompts for "Cone or line" then prompts for "damage type" and I just alter the item pre-roll

ends up working perfectly now

[frail osprey]

Don't know about module, but you could just delete the item on the player, than drag and drop it again on the player sheet. Alternatively, you could change the item directly in the player sheet.

[cinder tapir]

yea thats what I've been doing

thanks though 😄

[vast bane]

I can think of two modules that will seek out and update your actors on a button click but they won't work with what Truth is doing

CPR and DDB importer will update published content on actors

[cinder tapir]

Quick question

I made a spell that makes you invisable

but when you use a spell template it reveals all invisible people.

It was because they had observer

On the Invisable token

[inland vortex]

Midi qol just stopped doing most things. It doesn't roll damage after attacks or apply it automatically or ask for or make saving throws

We just started our game and it all fell apart

[coarse mesa]

sounds like your GM got logged out if that happened spontaneously tbh

[inland vortex]

i'm the DM

it still makes the attack rolls

[coarse mesa]

yeah strange – can you roll damage at all? or is it just not auto-rolling... if that's your expectation

[inland vortex]

we moved to another map and now we have a different set of problems...