MidiQOL

[placid folio]

if I recrete the tokens, it works

recreate

[vast bane]

does it go away when the importers turned off?

I don't use dnd beyond importer but I swear there is a setting where you have to tell it what it should not replace

[placid folio]

it happens with import or not

doesnt matter

even with starter heroes

I think some garbage collection or clean up is not working right

just imported dnd beyond char, added the sample midi qol macro and it worked...

lets see if i can get the dnd beyond imported hunters mark to work

ok enabled all interesting modules, created new tokens and used the midi qol hunters mark, still worked. Lets see what happens after an import

ok, imported , but doesnt use the at will, still need to use the midi qol sample hunters mark lol

but I should be able to basically copy paste all settings and script from the midi qol one to the imported one, no?

yap

ok

its 100 percent a garbace collection or clean up problem

i basically need to recreate the token for it to work, even after removing all effects etc

need to delete the token in the sidebar

[coarse mesa]

there is a DDB override compendium, you can put things in there that DDB should use instead of what it munches – might be of some use

[placid folio]

I got it to work!

You need this settings:

[vast bane]

that was not your issue, your problem is the muncher sees "Hunter's Mark" and replaces it. The hunters mark you tested while I watched was not named "Hunter's Mark", it had numbers on it, so dfreds could not interfere

your at will thing that you created yourself would interfere with dfreds though

bottom line, I think its just another case of an importer getting in the way

I dunno why anyone uses the actual importers for the player characters. Maybe monsters are fine, but player characters you want fully built in foundry and left alone. None of this sync bs. specially if you intend to use automation.

[placid folio]

The numbers hunter mark, was the midi qol macro one! After a fresh install, it worked.... looks like some files got corrupted or so.

However, the issue that garbage collection or clean up or something like this, doesn't work right, persists.

[violet meadow]

You will need to disassociate the character from the dnd beyond importer. Or use the settings Lukasprism mentioned

It seems that your Hunters Mark is being reimported from DnD beyond on each reload or something like that

[placid folio]

as i said

its all working now

import, new char

everything

just reloading the world or so seems to break things

[vast bane]

doesn't dndbeyond do its reupload during the restart process?

I imagine that'd be the best place to put sync

[placid folio]

happens even on starter heroes

no import

and sync is disabled

[vast bane]

maybe its the method of hosting thats the problem

deductive logic says its something unique to your install

[sudden crane]

I remembered doing a disadvantage on an onUse macro preAttackRoll for ancestral protectors, and I used :

args[0]. workflowOptions.disadvantage=true;

So advantage should also work

[scarlet gale]

I think it's not liking me doing the opposite. I'm trying to remove advantage. I have a similar one that applies it fine too.

[sudden crane]

Removing is trickier, because you have to cancel all the flags that can give advantage…

[scarlet gale]

Even when you're doing it in the workflow?

[sudden crane]

Or give disadvantage if it has advantage, but in this case you would not be able to really give disadvantage

[scarlet gale]

Yea, at most giving disadvantage will make it all even roll

The world script version works fine at least

[sudden crane]

I just saw that there is this in the code:
options.resetAdvantage

[scarlet gale]

Oh interesting

I'll have to take a look at that

[sudden crane]

But I think that these options comes from Item.rollAttack, so I don’t know how this could be passed.

[violet meadow]

@gilded yacht I was wondering if a small change in the MidiQOL's way of creating an effect to facilitate template deletion (at least for v10) would make sense.
In the workflow.js:880 ```js
else if (installedModules.get("dae") && this.item?.hasAreaTarget && this.templateUuid && this.item?.system.duration?.units && configSettings.autoRemoveTemplate) { // create an effect to delete the template
const itemDuration = this.item.system.duration;
if (itemDuration.units === "inst") {
let template = await fromUuid(this.templateUuid)
await template?.delete()
}
else {
let selfTarget = this.item.actor.token ? this.item.actor.token.object : getSelfTarget(this.item.actor);
if (selfTarget) //...

So if the duration is instantaneous, just delete it immediately and don't create or update an existing effect/concentration to include a `flags.dae.deleteUuid` 🤔

Also if MidiQOL imports the fromUuidSync from Foundry it would make it a bit more straightforward too
await fromUuidSync(this.templateUuid)?.delete()

[vast bane]

yeah isn't it that they now stay till the top of the round, I thought it was strange that instant templates stuck around slightly longer

[sudden crane]

Before doing that, we need to make sure that it will not break things for those that have configured some automated animations …
A lot of people are using that module

[sudden crane]

I was able to do something similar, but using the original item macro from midi sample, but adding an onuse item for preTargeting. In the preTargeting phase, I verify if the current itemUuid is the same as the sourceItemUuid. Then I get the current target from the dae.onUpdateTarget flag and verify if the target has 0 hp. If it’s the case I check if the current selected target is different and then I proceed to update the concentration data, the onUpdateTarget flag value (on the effect not the actor), create a new marked effect on the new target with the remaining duration. Then I delete the previous marked effect from the previous target.
I also return false to prevent casting the spell again. The only downside is the notification from midi that say that the item was cancelled on pre targeting.
But the setup is a lot more simpler than yours.

I will post my version here when is it cleaned up…

[molten solar]

Yall are really overthinking Hunter's Mark. Just make the effect, give it a status ID, set it up in babonus, and have a use of the spell apply the effect. You need 0 lines of code.

[sudden crane]

And what happens it the target is marked by another caster… it would need a special statusId by caster, then it also starts to be complicated… 😁

[molten solar]

huntersmark-steve, it aint hard

You literally have a field in the effect to put in the status id.

[sudden crane]

But you need to define this for each caster, you cannot just drag and drop the spell on an actor without going into it and modifying it

[molten solar]

Yes. You do indeed need to spend 5 seconds.

[sudden crane]

But then, it would not be automated 😁

[molten solar]

It already isn't? You're resorting to scripts.

[dark canopy]

and consider the actual odds of two hunters marks on the same mob at the same time

i feel like its effectively zero unless your group is all in love with rangers 🙂

[molten solar]

Yeah, for real. But even in that event, my solution is so simple a child could do it.

Hell, even in the worst case, you can plomp down a one-liner in babonus to check for the HM effect's origin

That Custom Script filter is there for a reason

[vast bane]

The real pro move is to ban Rangers.

[strong yew]

True, but it's the same problem with Warlocks and Hex, and I don't think it's super uncommon to have two people with Hex

Also, are there problems with the one tposney posted? It's been working fine for me so far

on testing anyway

[dark canopy]

have you personally had that situation? I ask because there are many cases of what-ifs in automation -- but the 95th percentile of cases should be the goal

[molten solar]

I'm in a group myself with a ranger and warlock, we got HM, Hex, and HexCurse. The GM just uses my modules plus ET and shit's so easy lmao

[strong yew]

Yeah I have a Warlock in the party, and one of my players got Hex on a feat

Fey Touched I think?

We were just doing it manually

[molten solar]

There aren't any issues. I was just pointing out earlier that the setups are much more complicated than they need to be.

[strong yew]

Some of my players are pretty tech savvy so I'm not too worried about them, other players I do feel like it needs to be as simple as possible to not cause problems

[molten solar]

That's neither here nor there really, if stuff is too hard nothing stops you from rolling a d6 manually.

[strong yew]

While true, most of the automation is for me to not have as much of a mental stack remembering everyone's stuff while trying to run encounters

Not saying it's true for everyone, I just tend to get lost in details sometimes when too much is going on

[molten solar]

I would be inclined to ask why you are trying to remember everyone else's stuff.

[strong yew]

irl friends, some of whom are not tech savvy

[dark canopy]

(topic check)

[strong yew]

or rather, game savvy

[vast bane]

I believe their points were to get a reassignable hex/hunters mark, otherwise tposneys HM works just fine

[strong yew]

but the last one tposney posted is reassignable

checks for 0 health on existing cast target

then duplicates concentration duration and skips the spell consume dialogue

[vast bane]

I don't have a ranger so I didn't keep track of the changes hehe

[strong yew]

Yeah it's not packaged with midi yet, I think he just posted it in here

[vast bane]

that one is not in yet is it, its shared here by tposney but its in 23 whenever it comes out

[strong yew]

maybe a few days ago

I have a ranger, a warlock, and another person with Hex in the group, so I kind of focused on getting that stuff working first lol

Honestly though, scripting this stuff is kind of fun

which is more or less why I've been doing it

[sudden crane]

I do something similar in a preTargeting on use macro phase, without any hooks on other events and transferring the remaining duration and no popup for breaking concentration…

[strong yew]

That's honestly the only improvement I could think of

Just the concentration popup

are hooks worse to use than onUse stuff?

does it slow things down?

[zealous stump]

looks like the enhance ability macro in midi srd is missing the int option for some reason

on the v10 fork, dunno if this is a problem on the main branch

[tepid dock]

Is there any good way with midi to force a critical on a skill check?

[spice kraken]

flags.midi-qol.min.skill.xxx | Override | 20

[tepid dock]

Anyway to make the dice appear to show the same?

In this instance the dice shows the roll on the screen and rolled a 9... ideally I would like it to show a 20

[spice kraken]

The dice? Like Dice so Nice?

[tepid dock]

Yes

[spice kraken]

No clue. I don't use it but I doubt it

It'll appear correctly in chat

[tepid dock]

It does yea... I just wanted the player to not know

Like see they got a crit, but not be aware it was forced

[spice kraken]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Personally if I were forcing a crit, I wouldn't make them roll in the first place

[tepid dock]

No worries, I appreciate the help. This is really good to know otherwise.

[tepid dock]

Yea, generally

When using system.bonuses.weapon.damage is it better to add a negative, or downgrade?

If I am trying to reduce a target's damage

[spice kraken]

- usually

IIRC downgrade would drop the total to a min value

[tepid dock]

Ahhh ok

[rough prism]

hi! is there a flag from midi-qol that allows rolling initiative with advantage? I can find flags for all skills and checks but not for initiative

[spice kraken]

Is this something that's permanent? Or just 1 time?

[sharp knoll]

I can adjust things on my end if necessary, not sure what to do right now with it tho

[rough prism]

permanent! well to attach to an item

[spice kraken]

If they're not gonna ever lose the item then go to the special traits and check this

Otherwise a passive effect with the core flag flags.dnd5e.initiativeAdv | Custom | 1

[rough prism]

ah this is what I was looking for! thx

[tepid dock]

Looking to add some damage here, 1d8/5 levels, what would the syntax be?

[molten solar]

That's not even a midi question. 🙂
+ floor(@details.level/5)d8

[tepid dock]

Thanks boss

[tepid dock]

Oh ship my bad

[violet meadow]

I was testing with an attack (Call Lightning attack per round that puts down a template) that has an AA attached (Ball Lightning) and no issues there.

As far as I can see, MidiQOL creates the "Template to delete" AE after the conclusion of the originating attack.

I will test it some more.

[acoustic jasper]

Dwarven Fortitude "Whenever you take the Dodge action in combat, you can spend one Hit Die to heal yourself. Roll the die, add your Constitution modifier, and regain a number of hit points equal to the total (minimum of 1)." - so basicly using a skill to use a hit die

[spice kraken]

More of a #dnd5e question but + @attributes.hd

[acoustic jasper]

ok sorry

[spice kraken]

Oh that's different

Still there but what I posted adds however many hit dice is available as a flat int, so if you have 8 out of 9 available, it'll add 8

[violet meadow]

The Babonus for the Hunter's Mark was more of an experiment for my table.

My ranger wants to be able to have a "button" (likes them hotbar being full with fancy icons 😄 ) that will change the Hunter's Mark target if needed.
Just a toggle really, on/off for the specific DFreds CE which has the EM on Effect Creation.

It might sound more complicated than it is actually 🤷

I could include the generation of the custom DFreds CE as an onUse macro now that I think of it, so it might make it a bit more streamlined 🤔

[stoic seal]

I like your way for hunters mark

[obtuse magnet]

Im getting a weird problem with midi as in the fast forward rolls option is on which should make it roll damage and attack at the same time presumably but its not doin it

[vast bane]

no, its just a basic hit die formula heal. The only thing that is needed is to auto apply the dodge action on use, and then have it consume a hitdie, it gets wonky for multiclass dwarves though.

Itemmacro is just dfreds application of dodge.

[strong yew]

is there a flag that just gives advantage to any attack type?

[strong yew]

Oh ok, I thought there was only Grants which was against you

thanks

[coarse mesa]

Just a heads up for you MTB aficionados in here, Mini-Tracker will now use Monks implementation of movement restriction if MTB is installed. The dev has also broken the creature name hiding thing into a separate module (Anonymous), which looks like it does a comparable job to CUB in that regard, if not better (you can toggle names back on easily from the token hud or combat tracker)

I haven't had a good test of the latter with midi, but if you do find any issues it would be great to know – the dev is very speedy and open to improvements

[obsidian orbit]

if I want to make a cursed item that causes a player to take 1 extra damage whenever they take damage is there an effect I can make for that? Can I use the damage reduction one and give it a negative value?

[spice kraken]

Probably need a macro. - values don't work for the DR fields

[obsidian orbit]

hmm, well that's good to know, lol

[vast bane]

@obsidian orbit

[obsidian orbit]

oh great! seems like that worked then!

[vast bane]

however you can't use the all key

you have to call out the damage types in 20 keys, cause otherwise temp and healing will also recieve it

oh actuall the DR key seems to ignore healing

yeah the DR keys must be programmed to ignore it, temp hp and healing are not affected by the all key

[obsidian orbit]

nice, thank you

[coarse mesa]

@violet meadow would it be possible to get a world script that triggers a MTB death save if a player has 0 hp when their turn starts and they're unconscious? I raised it with Monk and it seems he'd prefer not to make it built into MTB, at least not yet

It's maddening how hard it seems to be for our players and GM to do it manually

[vast bane]

I just dice tray a d20, don't even open sheets

[violet meadow]

The death save?
Never thought of automating it.

[vast bane]

and I even have a pally in my players group lol

[violet meadow]

I use the tidy sheet death save something

[vast bane]

exhaustion and death saves, two things that get automated and talked about here in depth that is just a non issue at my own table lol

[violet meadow]

Hmm you could use the dfreds pace death condition to create an OT effect and a macro to accompany it.

Or Effect macro in turn start.

Or a world script 🙂

[vast bane]

it would probably fire for npcs right?

[violet meadow]

Doable but is there nothing on the discord already?

[vast bane]

I genuinely wouldn't mind that cause if its automated then I don't care

[violet meadow]

I won’t be on my PCs till tomorrow

[coarse mesa]

Yeah our players seem to really have a hard time finding that 😫

Someone in Monks MTB channel was surprised it wasn’t already automatic in midi, which is true - but I’d want the MTB roll request chat card

Just like a conc save

Inevitably someone just rolls a regular con save at our table and then the death save isn’t tracked properly 😑

[vast bane]

it'd probably be simbuls or tposney's scope more than MTB

[violet meadow]

Yeah you can easily check if an actor is a players one or not and then do the save and track it

I think I remember somth8ng on the discord

[vast bane]

but yall overthink death saves, I can assure you the whole table is well aware of how many successes and failures of a down player there are, no need for a sheet, just dice tray that d20 and move to the next turn, if you are hiding rolls, I still think the DM will have them stored and burned into their head as downed players are scary table events.

not to mention the fact you can scroll up to see the rolls

[violet meadow]

Old one by kekilla <#macro-polo message>

You can make this create a flag to track successes and failures and go on accordingly

It can easily be changed to ask for a MTB death save

[coarse mesa]

Good hunting, thanks!

[molten solar]

The system itself checks if you actually need to roll death saves.

actor.rollDeathSave() is all you need (in an EM)

[coarse mesa]

So you'd pop that in the Unconscious effect?

[molten solar]

Sure, you can do that.

[coarse mesa]

ezpz

[molten solar]

Always is.

[vast bane]

In midi, it'd be better to do it with the dead condition

[coarse mesa]

OK I have it working exactly how we wanted... one line of code (the MTB requestRoll) in the Unconscious CE... powered by Effect Macro (on turn start)

[molten solar]

.

[coarse mesa]

BTW EM looks a little wacky in CE:

It'll be because of their extra Effect Description field?

[molten solar]

Just a little css error when there are no macros added.

Good lord that config is busy.

Add VAE as well.

[coarse mesa]

I've made my recommendation to tposney on that matter

just a little css 🤏

[vast bane]

Eh, I think its fine, its just cause theres like 4 modules modifying things in it and somehow manage to not step on each other

[molten solar]

Just those labels needing to be 5 words at most and using data-tooltip instead.

[coarse mesa]

Just following core protocols: https://gitlab.com/tposney/dae/uploads/fd83f6c08b8ec03f055bedba3c4d1ac6/After.png

[vast bane]

oh my god, I think I finally realized why I keep getting a hexi decimal error when I go to edit ae's, does everyone else get that too? its cause of the empty color code?

[molten solar]

I think that was changed in v10, but yeah

[molten solar]

Yep, no color.

[vast bane]

that is like...not something we can viably fix right? inevitably every new ae creates without that field populated yeah?

[molten solar]

I added text editors to VAE in the latest update. 👌

[vast bane]

I wonder if the issue has been posted, is it a foundry or a dnd5e thing?

[molten solar]

What is?

[coarse mesa]

I live in a sea of yellow, didn't even notice that

[vast bane]

the lack of the field populated in all existing ae's

[molten solar]

Tried in v10?

[vast bane]

yep I'm in v10 right now

[molten solar]

https://tenor.com/view/good-place-tgp-chidi-thats-gif-18334989

[vast bane]

wait let me turn off modules first 😉

[molten solar]

disable DAE and try again

[vast bane]

0_o

I'm guessing this is a cache issue lol

aren't those the two icons that changed in v10?

[molten solar]

I'm not even going to comment.

[coarse mesa]

yep, the cogs changed too iirc

[vast bane]

its cause I swapped to v9 rq to get the export of my rogues character

then swapped back without closing the browser

[molten solar]

bruh

[vast bane]

yep, you called it, its a dae bug

[keen oxide]

Is there a way with some combo of Midi/DAE/etc to automate a coin flip that applies one effect on heads and another on tails without getting into a Macro?

[vast bane]

I feel like confusion or chaos bolt are examples of this but with more results than 2

confusions macro is built into midi srd so you'd have to dive into the code sadly

[keen oxide]

I figured this would take some macro'ing, but I'll take a look at confusion and see what I can figure out

[vast bane]

is it random, or a choice between two things?

[keen oxide]

It's a choice between two, heads applies one effect, tails applies the other

[vast bane]

choice isn't a coin flip, chance is. I think I'm confusing you my bad

[scarlet gale]

Does macro.createItem not work well on unlinked actors?

It's not deleting the added item for me on unlinked ones.

[vast bane]

is it a second item?

there are significant abnormalities with it, I'm waiting with great interest for a new dae update

[scarlet gale]

First one

[vast bane]

is it a shield?

or something modifying ac/initiative?

[scarlet gale]

No?

I'm making my own call lightning with it

[vast bane]

add it to the pile then!

[scarlet gale]

and it's just not removing the custom bolt feature on unlinked tokens

When the effect ends

[vast bane]

oh holy cow I just discovered the true cause of the shield bug, its dfreds CE, so macro.createitem does not like non standard methods of removing active effects

or adding for that matter

[scarlet gale]

oh?

[dark canopy]

EM + warpgate sounds like ~~the ~~ an answer

[vast bane]

so dfreds strange toggle method causes additional items added to fail to remove, but deleting the effect on the actor behaves normally. Additionally, ae's gained from attuning also fail to register right for createitem, so my question is are you creating it abnormally?

[scarlet gale]

Yea, I used to use warpgate for call lightning

[vast bane]

removing it abnormally*

[scarlet gale]

I figured it was worth testing if macro.createItem was worth it

I might still just use it anyway since unlinked actors won't stick around long enough for a leftover spell effect mattering much

[vast bane]

I am able to remove items from unlinked actors

with ending an ae

[scarlet gale]

strange

Maybe another module messing with mine

[vast bane]

have you tried deleeting the ae in the actors sheet?

[scarlet gale]

let me test

[vast bane]

it is very picky with how its ended

(and created)

[scarlet gale]

Yep

it works that way

I was deleting it via another module

[vast bane]

dfreds does seem to work, I'm not sure what the shield bug was when I reported it in the dae issues now

I updated dfreds recently so maybe he fixed the issue

[scarlet gale]

What's a good module to remove temp effects via the conditions menu?

The one I'm using doesn't play nice it seems

[vast bane]

dfreds seems to be ok try that? can it remove non dfreds conditions?

[scarlet gale]

The problem is that the effect is being added from the spell

not the dfreds menu

And I don't intend to clutter up my CE menu with making the effect there

[vast bane]

are you some how getting your wires crossed with canvas/proto?

[scarlet gale]

huh

no

[vast bane]

canvas actors and prototype actors

[scarlet gale]

nah, I'm 100% it's the right actor

I have tidy set to outline the actor when it's unlinked

Plus the name matches

Very Healthy Kobold (IV)

very certain it's not a proto actor

Currently using this to let me quickly remove the effect via the right click menu:
https://github.com/ElfFriend-DnD/foundryvtt-temp-effects-as-statuses

Looks like doing it that way doesn't trigger macro.CreateItem

[vast bane]

ooooh I should check dfreds panel for odd interactions good point

[coarse mesa]

yeah we mostly remove effects using DFreds Effects Panel

(I'm hoping that feature can be added to Mini-Tracker)

[scarlet gale]

It's weird that it works fine on linked actors

For my specific setup

[coarse mesa]

You can also turn off effects using TAH btw, check that too

[scarlet gale]

TAH?

[vast bane]

I had put my loadout system on hold cause I thought dae was having issues with multiple createitemkeys but apparently it was cause of dfreds, once I updated dfreds now everythings gucci, time for some fun 8)

[coarse mesa]

Token Action HUD

[scarlet gale]

ehh

[vast bane]

TAH is able to remove them

[scarlet gale]

overkill for what I want

[coarse mesa]

I've adjusted DFreds Effects Panel using Custom CSS so the icons are much smaller

[scarlet gale]

I can do a dirty fix in as a effect macro on to delete the spawned item if the actor is unlinked

[vast bane]

I wish dfreds could respect the stacking rule of an ae so that I didn't have to make a macro to add them over themselves

[coarse mesa]

what's an example of that?

[vast bane]

dfreds default behavior is toggle, if the ae is set to stack with itself I'd want it to just keep adding and have another method of removing

or a toggle, shift adds, no function key toggles

for things like armor corrosion

[coarse mesa]

ah gotcha...

he hasn't added any big new features in a while, might be open to suggestions?

exhaustion has a unique behaviour, maybe there's a case for other unique behaviours

[strong yew]

So just ran first combat tonight to test out the automation and unfortunately a lot if it was a mess lol

took notes of what to fix

one thing though, what do I need to toggle to have CE actually apply reactions

Reading the docs it seems like it should automatically be applied, but it wasn't working for me

And also, one player, whenever he used a reaction, it would break the midi workflow but not throw errors

Just would stop the damage application card from ever coming out

[coarse mesa]

I have notes after every session lol... none of it too serious usually though

Midi should do reactions automatically

👆 my settings

[marsh crescent]

I do have a player on occasion letting me know from a prompt to counterspell a melee attack.

No, you can't

[strong yew]

yeah it's also prompting for absorb elements on every attack

[marsh crescent]

I get that for my druid.

[strong yew]

I guess maybe it's the prompt if used I didn't have on

Also I guess Fey Touched imports weird from ddb-importer

Brought over my player's hex as a prepared spell, no limited use info

Lot of little things I guess I didn't think about checking

[coarse mesa]

Yeah that’s how anything flagged as a reaction from DDB will end up working with midi. You will probably want to check all your reactions and change their action type where appropriate

[vast bane]

I got that alot when I used macros not meant for midi. As for CE reactions, the name of the spell/item has to match the dfreds CE perfectly and the targetting on the details of the item needs to be setup and not blank.

midi reactions don't know what they do, only that they are promptable. Your players just have to get smart and understand the flaw in the system

It could be worse, you could have a barbarian with a balloon pack ready to feather fall on every strike

[coarse mesa]

It’s usually because reactions need to be set to Reaction Manual

[scarlet gale]

Yea, reaction manual fixes a lot of issues

I normally also throw out the ddb importer version of absorb elements and pull the midi sample item for it.

It works better

[strong yew]

Yeah I'm using the midi sample version

Only did dry imports from ddb, no auto generation effects anywhere

found it was really buggy when trying to work on other stuff

what does reaction manual change? It just doesn't pop up in the list of reactions when the prompt happens?

[scarlet gale]

Yep

[strong yew]

But then you can still just use it from your reactions when needed I guess?

[scarlet gale]

Yea

It's good for stuff like feather fall

[strong yew]

I guess I'll try that out yeah, at least for absorb elements

[scarlet gale]

And things that don't work well with the midi workflow

absorb elements you want to keep as is

[strong yew]

there's no automating stuff like chronal shift or silvery barbs is there?

[scarlet gale]

That one actually reduces the incoming damage

[strong yew]

to impose disadvantage after the roll?

Yeah but it prompts for absorb elements even on just normal melee attacks

which I guess is fine if the player understands it won't do anything in that situation

[scarlet gale]

yea

at worst they use it and nothing happens

the macro on it just gives the person resistance from the selected damage type on the drop down box

[vast bane]

my idea for silvery barbs is an aura on the caster

[scarlet gale]

Silvery barbs can be done with a worldscript and sockets

[vast bane]

have the silvery barbs aura be huge and only allies. Then when they get attacked, they ask the caster if they are using it, and fire it

[scarlet gale]

you essentially just hook on the pre-attack roll

and prompt the targeted player with a pop-up asking if they want to use their silvery barbs

the downside is that you get stuck waiting for the remote player to click yes or no

meaning it can bog down combat

[strong yew]

A couple more questions, sorry for the barrage, just got a lot of them from tonight's session

[vast bane]

that ship sailed when we all agreed to play remotely

[strong yew]

Is there a better way to handle things like Slow? Right now I have template targeting on, but that grabs everyone inside

[scarlet gale]

I just have the player re-roll the d20 manually

and do the math

[vast bane]

video games are a bigger culprit than anything else for bogging down gameplay

[scarlet gale]

then click undo damage if it doesn't hit

[vast bane]

For slow I changed it to 6 creatures with no range limit

and I leverage the best cpu at the table, the players brain

[scarlet gale]

That's something I wanted to take a look at actually

[coarse mesa]

In midi Reaction is really Reaction (Hit)… so by default it triggers when you’re hit. There’s also a damage trigger or manual. People often ask for a Reaction (Missed) but that’s not practical for tposney to implement

[scarlet gale]

that can be fixed with a macro tied to on effect creation

check if the person who just got slowed is on the same team as the person who cast

and if so, delete the effect

[strong yew]

Also another question, is there a way to auto-succeed or auto-fail saves?

even if it's just something I can do manually for players for things

[vast bane]

how would it account for more than 6 bad guys in the cube

[vast bane]

there is a super saver key for saves, and then theres the two feats that allow allies to super save

[scarlet gale]

Just have the saves go like normal, including the allies. And after the effect is applied check the origin of the effect for what team they're on

then just remove itself if it's the same

[coarse mesa]

Yea just put the words auto fail friendly anywhere in the description

[strong yew]

oh, in the description?

[vast bane]

I really do not think that spell is automateable as a template, its a target choice spell

it should be handled like aid, bless, bane and manually confirm the cub after the fact if you must

[coarse mesa]

Yeah midi parses the description for key words, like half damage

[scarlet gale]

why would the player never not select all enemies in the template?

[vast bane]

cause you cant target more than 6

[strong yew]

interesting

[scarlet gale]

oh

[vast bane]

cause slow has a max

[scarlet gale]

slightly complicates it

but still do-able I guess

[strong yew]

I'll have to look into super saver. That's auto succeed?

[vast bane]

I just think bane/bless for slow is just simpler

[scarlet gale]

super saver means no damage if they save

[coarse mesa]

superSaver is evasion

[scarlet gale]

99% of the time it's for evasion

but it has other uses

[vast bane]

the auto succeed stuff is those two feats, evocation wizards thing and then sorcerers careful spell keys

[strong yew]

Ah, this is more with active effects application

[scarlet gale]

I use it for Mizzium Armor for con and str saves

[vast bane]

they are really frikkin weird, I have a evocation wizard, and he NEVER remembers to use the feature, I just undo the damage for him constantly

[strong yew]

Hmm. I guess I can mostly fix it with the targeting changes for things like slow

cause that's when I really need the auto-save

[scarlet gale]

Know what

[strong yew]

but I guess changing it takes care of that issue

[scarlet gale]

Could just have it count the people who failed, remove allies

[vast bane]

sometimes automation is possible, but the process is so ugly for the end user that its just not worth it at some tables

[scarlet gale]

and if it's more than 6 prompt for what 6 you want

that doesn't sound too hard to do

[strong yew]

Yeah that sounds reasonable

I may actually just do that

[vast bane]

also Wolfe, turn down the wait time for reactions if you have player reactions on

I only give them 10 seconds

and don't change absorb elements to manual, thats one of the critical ones you want setup to fire with the system

[strong yew]

Yeah, 10 is the default I think

that's what's on mine

[vast bane]

@scarlet gale my idea for using active auras for the reaction for silvery barbs is that the active aura would be a macro.createitem to add a silvery barbs feature to them all lol

so same thing as world script, just laggier and no need to know how to write the macros

or just give every player character the reaction

[scarlet gale]

that's interesting

not a bad idea actually

passive effects from spell don't remove themselves when not prepared I think

[vast bane]

its barely automation, but it beats having to write all that stuff as someone who can't even write Hello World Scripts

[scarlet gale]

so that complicates it for prepared casters

[vast bane]

I'd just make it an active effect on the actor unlinked to an item that gifts it to everyone

or honestly, I'd probably get frustrated with the active auras lag and just flat give everyone the feature

great for pally aura, not so much for 90 range auras though lol

[scarlet gale]

that's why I'd hook it

if they attack someone and is within range of someone with the spell

[vast bane]

Got a new ghostbusters module dropped just now

So now its Group Rolls, and Roll Groups lol

I do like the group check idea but MTB already does it and is midi compatible

[obsidian orbit]

is there an effect I can add that when you get healed you get heal for extra?

[vast bane]

I think the DR keys specifically ignore healing but you could check to see if they have a healing key

oh I stand corrected:

[obsidian orbit]

they have "flags.midi-qol.DR.healing"

but I can't seem to figure out how to make it work

[vast bane]

I think tis a god assumption one of them is temp healing

also fyi

you want a NEGATIVE number

-5 would heal I think

eh thats weird, better to test lol

[obsidian orbit]

that's what I thought too, since we used the -DR on a different item to make someone take more damage.

[vast bane]

normally for the damages you do a negative to increase the damage in a DR key, but this is healing, but I think its the same concept

[obsidian orbit]

doesn't seem to be affecting it

[vast bane]

you might have picked the temp healing one

[vast bane]

yeah its not working

[obsidian orbit]

when I have the effect on a player, it actually doesn't even trigger the gm approve box.

it doesn't even reduce the healing like I would have thought it normally does

[vast bane]

the keys just may not have been setup

[obsidian orbit]

oh and I can't even trigger it from a damage card. So it is blocking all healing

[vast bane]

I dunno about that, mines working fine, there is however a console error when you try to do a modifier

the value for heal and healing is expecting JUST an integer, no symbols

I tried 0-5 and 0+5 but all those did was nothing

prolly cause it took just the 0 and left the rest

[vast bane]

you can reduce with a positive number, but you can't add

[obsidian orbit]

weird, I deleted the effect and rebuilt it. Works now

[vast bane]

cause the key absolutely hates non numbers

you could maybe add a reaction to the player recieving the heal to heal themselves for the bonus amount

[obsidian orbit]

ya it's working now the way we originally thought it should. Hmm weird, I must have done something funky the first time and not noticed it.

[scarlet gale]

you should do a bonus to healing damage

not use DR

or is this for incoming healing?

[vast bane]

is it a flat bonus, could you make them vulnerable to healing?

its incoming healing

[scarlet gale]

IIRC, I think the documentation says that a negative DR is unsupported

[vast bane]

yeah, it works in the ALL key

just not heal or healing

could maybe do a world script? add the key and remove it after any healing done to X character?

oh wait no, the two healing types are excluded from the all key

I found that out yesterday actually

[violet meadow]

Same issue here.

[scarlet gale]

My dumb dirty fix:

await warpgate.wait(2000);
let stormBolt = token.actor.items.getName('Storm Bolt');
if (!stormBolt) return;
console.log('Removing storm bolt');
stormBolt.delete();```

As an effect removed macro.

Actually, I wonder if the wait even does anything

Does the effect get deleted while it's waiting?

[violet meadow]

Another strange issue I got. The 1st time something like this Call Lightning is used after a Foundry reload,, extra effect icons are created on the token hud, one for each target in the template.
The effects are not present in the Effects Tab of the character sheet.

That doesn't happen if the item used has no duration set...
MidiQOL 10.0.22
DAE 10.0.13
libwrapper 1.12.11.0
socketlib 1.0.12
Simple Calendar 2.1.58
Foundry 10.290
dnd5e 2.0.3

Can anyone else reproduce?

[scarlet gale]

I've had this happening a ton

Anything that adds an effect

it gets a doubled up icon for me the first time

It appears to be visual only

[violet meadow]

Exactly

Can you try deleting any duration in the items details?

[scarlet gale]

I normally only set the duration in the spell and not the DAE

[violet meadow]

It gets an extra icon for each target in a template (caster included)

[violet meadow]

yeah the spell's one

just delete it for a quick test

[scarlet gale]

With your spell?

[violet meadow]

Ah yeah try that. But I think any that creates the extra icons should do

[scarlet gale]

2 seconds, let me wrap up what I was doing before I forget it

[violet meadow]

It's due to the interaction with Simple Calendar's API I think

[scarlet gale]

ok so, load in and do something that applies an effect, but without a duration set?

no duration, 1 icon

[violet meadow]

1 icon for the effect and then 1 more per target in the template.

[scarlet gale]

That's very weird

[violet meadow]

@gilded yacht beginning of the conversation: #1010273821401555087 message

The image above showcases what happens if you use an item which targets using a template and HAS a duration set in Item Details page, for the first time after a Foundry reload.

Not 100% reproducible, but most of the time 🤔

[unique cape]

@violet meadow Not sure if related, but I was about to ask about double effect for Active Auras Silence. I tweaked it a little, but even with original spell - it works as intended for all tokens when they go in or out. However, if the target was in the area when the template was first applied, they get an extra effect with no duration that never expires, even if they leave the area. In this case, extra Deafened effect and Silence effect that I did not toggle

[scarlet gale]

That's not likely the visual bug we're getting

[scarlet gale]

I'm pretty sure that's because midi is placing the effect on everyone in the template and AA is doing it again

[unique cape]

How can I resolve it for aura template spells like Silence?

[violet meadow]

Yeah it sounds like maybe a double interaction with MidiQOL and dfreds maybe?

Use the dont apply convenient effects on the item tab

[unique cape]

So far, one workaround that I did was special duration - expire on the start of a turn, but it's not ideal for some other spells

[unique cape]

Yes to both

Midi and Convenient Effects are present and used

[scarlet gale]

CE doesn't like to check for duplicated status effects

It'll happily add another one

[unique cape]

When I use StatusEffect instead, it spams the effect

[violet meadow]

Yeah try the Do not apply Convenient Effect in the item's details tab, if its available

[scarlet gale]

You'll still want to keep using macro.CE

[violet meadow]

Yeah, there are some strange interactions especially when adding Auras too

[scarlet gale]

What happens if you set it to not stack the effect by name instead of origin

[unique cape]

Hm. I don't see it.

[scarlet gale]

That's good in this case.

[unique cape]

How do I do that?

[violet meadow]

To be honest I keep changing more and more of them to name instead of origin

[violet meadow]

Details tab of the Active Effect

[unique cape]

Hm, didn't work. The one on the left was in the area upon casting the one on the right was moved into it after casting

[violet meadow]

Are you using the Active Auras Silence?

[unique cape]

Yep. I only changed the effects - but the spell out of the box worked pretty much the same - applied the "Silence" effect twice

With the spell from AA compendium

[violet meadow]

Can you try changing the actual DAE to not be an aura quickly?

Cause you are using the applyToTemplate

Well that went well

[unique cape]

Same thing, with Effect is Aura toggled off in the spell

Yeah, I had that spam at some point. Something to do with Midi setting of effects priority between CE and item effects solved it for me

[violet meadow]

OK I think that is limited to happen on linked tokens only. If you target an unlinked one, the effect will not be applied twice.
Can you reproduce that?

[violet meadow]

Yeah that is the same issue basically I was discussing before. Happens only during the 1st time you use the item after a reload

[unique cape]

Will do in ~20 mins

[violet meadow]

Actually it might have something to do with disposition and targets 🤔

[unique cape]

Didn't see a difference between linked and unlinked targets. However, before I was targeting via an unlinked actor. This screen is for when a player character casts default AA Silence instead. The effect is no longer doubled, but it does not disappear for a target that was inside the template upon casting. For a target entering or leaving it, it works as intended

[violet meadow]

There is some strange interaction with targeting and Active Auras. I will probably test some more later tonight

[unique cape]

But for my tweaked spell it's pretty much the same as before. The dorf above entered after it was cast

[vast bane]

change the key from statusEffect to Macro.cub or Macro.ce to fix that

[unique cape]

Is already CE

And midi setting is apply CE first, if absent - item effects

[vast bane]

is the female the caster?

Do you have dfreds CE and Cub installed?

[unique cape]

The caster is offscreen - I used an NPC and a player character for this. I have CE but not CUB

[vast bane]

what are your versions of dae, dfreds ce, midiqol, MIDISRD, Active auras, and foundry

actual version numbers

[unique cape]

DAE 10.0.13, CE 3.03, Midi 10.0.22, AA 0.5.2, Foundry 288. I don't have a separate MidiSRD

[vast bane]

the active auras version works out of the box for me 0_o

[unique cape]

No double effect for Silence spell for targets inside the template?

From AA compendium

[vast bane]

lol @violet meadow What is this in the default active auras for Silence?

[unique cape]

Like here

[vast bane]

what is the details of your spells AE

not the already deployed one

[unique cape]

Also, when the targets leave the area, do they lose the effect?

Same as yours - it's from the AA compendium and has Blinded by default

[vast bane]

my spell behaves just fine, but there is the abnormality above where there is an incomplete weird ae key in active auras

[unique cape]

The issue here is not a particular spell I think, it doesn't work properly for either

Are you on v10 too?

[vast bane]

Ok, the spell works with macro.ce when you check the following:

edit the SPELL not any active effect sitting on actors

hmmm, its not removing on exit now

honestly if you use it out of the box it works fine, its the attempting to get the status effect on that breaks

[unique cape]

Out of the box it also applies double effect, as seen above

[vast bane]

the only time I see a duplicated effect ouf of the box is if the caster is an unlinked token and the duplicated one is born of the same prototype actor

when a player character casts silence it works perfectly fine

[unique cape]

When cast by player character, that initial effect applied to creatures inside the zone is not removed if the target is moved outside the aura

Once per turn toggle unfortunately defeats the purpose of Silence being a constantly present effect for some cases

[vast bane]

and your spell is freshly from active auras compendium? which is the only known premade?

[unique cape]

Of course

[vast bane]

and there is no combat utility belt installed?

[unique cape]

I tested my version and compendium version, by linked and unlinked casters on linked and unlinked targets in and out of template radius initially, also moving them in and out to be sure

All done in combat

I don't have CUB

[vast bane]

can you show me the duration tab on the active effect on the actor who walks out and still has it?

[unique cape]

Here

Whoops

That one is still in

[vast bane]

we're troubleshooting, using old data is not a proper troubleshoot

[vast bane]

there is abnormalities sometimes with lag and such with an active aura

[unique cape]

This one when cast by a player

[vast bane]

does it remove when they walk out?

[violet meadow]

Yeah I saw that. It comes like that

Its not something that zozilin is doing wrong. More of an Active Auras issue I think

[vast bane]

mine works fine though

out of the box, 1 in 10 casts from an unlinked actor double a singular time

[unique cape]

This one when cast by an NPC

[violet meadow]

Silence should be triggered all the time

not once per turn or on combatants turn

And there is where the issue lies

[vast bane]

nah I was trying to troubleshoot for their issues, mine works out of the box, they walk in and out and it removes

[violet meadow]

Mine doesn't

[vast bane]

so it has to be something you or they have setup on their machines interfering

when you start putting status effects in, thats when it gets weird

if no key is in the ae, it works as intended, which should be out of the box

[unique cape]

For me effects are behaving pretty much the same - one permanent effect and one aura effect

Per effect set in DAE

[vast bane]

share your settings for active auras

[vast bane]

I dunno what to say, other than are you certain that whenever you test you are pulling out a fresh sample item and not working with something thats been fiddled with for hours?

[violet meadow]

This is with the item for Silence included in the Active Auras and I just removed any effect changes.

The one remaining when out of the radius of the initial template, is behaving as an aura by itself 😄

[vast bane]

mine are not behaving this way, I've tried in and out of combat

I get a silence ae that applies to all within, on their turns AND OFF turn they move in and out and lose/gain it

I've recasted it 10 times now

[violet meadow]

You have changed the details of the Aura

[vast bane]

nope mines out of the box

unedited

[violet meadow]

to apply once per turn and on combatants turn

[vast bane]

I was fiddling with an npc's version, but the players have the fresh one dragged out onto it to cast

that was experimenting when they said they had issues so I asked them to change settings

[violet meadow]

This is the out of the box Silence item in Active Auras compendium

Allies of the caster will be fine. Enemies double up 🤷

trying to figure out if its that or linked/unlinked

or a strange combo

[vast bane]

I think that anything related to active auras needs to be tested multiple times and any outlier 1 in 10 thing is expected just due to how active auras is laggy

about 1 in 10 casts some, or all have the ae not remove on exit

no errors are ever reported in the console

Is this the up to date v10 syntax?

if (!game.modules.get("advanced-macros")?.active) { ui.notifications.error("Advanced Macros is not enabled"); return }
if(args[0].tag === "OnUse"){
AAhelpers.applyTemplate(args) }

oh shit

what is everyones advanced macros?

and do you all have dm's logged in?

[violet meadow]

Its an issue of linked vs unlinked tokens

All linked tokens will get the doubled aura (one of which will be an Aura itself) when they are in the aura's radius when first cast

[vast bane]

I have 3 unlinked tokens and 1 linked token in all of my tests, theres no rime or reason when the permenant ae's happen, but its about 10% of the time so its a random issue

does the linked token have silence castable on their spellbook?

@unique cape what version of advanced macros is installed?

[violet meadow]

It is reproducible in my tests and will try to narrow it down more later. Also AM shouldn't be an issue in this case. Still on 1.18.1

[vast bane]

I'm on 1.17

when the linked actor is in for the cast, I see what you are talking about, moving in and out after doesn't cause the problem, they have to be targetted in the cast for the weird active aura to show up on linked actors

and there is very definitely an error in the console for that

when the 3 abnormal ae's on the linked actor poof when concentration is lost on the caster:
this error x3

when the linked actor generates the 3 effects:

we should probably report this in the active auras channel for kaelad/MrPrimate to look at?

[violet meadow]

that is triggered by DFreds panel probably. Don't have that issue in my tests without.

[vast bane]

is that active auras macro I linked right for v10?

[violet meadow]

yeah it just calls for the apply to template

[vast bane]

we're relying upon an old macro from v9, I wonder if kaelad or mrprimate changed things where that macro needs adjusting

[violet meadow]

Interesting, if you await the AAhelpers.applyTemplate(args) it applies double effects on both linked and unlinked tokens 🤔

[vast bane]

the blank ae, or status effects?

[violet meadow]

blank

Yeah so all is down to, I think, the targeting of MidiQOL. If you test with None for templates in the MidiQOL settings, you are good.
If you have another option, linked tokens will have the Original Silence effect applied to them too.

If you await the await AAhelpers.applyTemplate(args) and you have MidiQOL targeting for templates active, both linked and unlinked token will get both the Original effect and the Active Auras applied one

No template targeting from MidiQOL

[vast bane]

can you do the no template targetting in the macro?

[violet meadow]

Template targeting set to Walls Block - Ignore defeated. the second from top is unlinked

[violet meadow]

if (!game.modules.get("advanced-macros")?.active) { ui.notifications.error("Advanced Macros is not enabled"); return }
if(args[0].tag === "OnUse"){
  game.user.updateTokenTargets() 
  AAhelpers.applyTemplate(args) 
}

nah doesn't matter

Oof needs to be After Active Effects! Not before 🤔

[vast bane]

I actually started thinking about it, and ultimately all that is needed is a key for damage immunity to thunder. So I added that to the spell and removed now its behaving pretty much perfectly for me with linked actors

[violet meadow]

OK I just remembered what I was doing when I was using AA back in the day

Activation condition false and

That solves it

[vast bane]

also I disabled animations cause active auras is laggy as hell when you activate them

[vast bane]

this is going to completely fubar our worlds if we change the global though

[violet meadow]

Not globally, just on the spell

on each spell you want to have an Active Aura on a template

@unique cape Try this <#1010273821401555087 message>

[vast bane]

yeah that checkbox helps for the linked actor bug for sure, but my current setup seems to work 100% now for all now and I added a key to the ae for thunder immunity

[strong yew]

You know, this is happening to my Darkness too. I check the character and it's not applying it multiple times, but the icon is showing multiple times only when it is cast on them

[strong yew]

So I actually scrub the targets on cast of a template and it still does this

[violet meadow]

Try this #1010273821401555087 message

in the spells details tab

Ah probably different topics 😅

[strong yew]

Interesting. Do you need to set an activation condition? Or does it just always equate to false if blank?

[violet meadow]

Empty activation condition evaluates to true

[vast bane]

the darkness from active auras can be fixed by changing the key to macro.ce, that one is defiitely right on the fix

there is abnormality with the statuseffect key in that premade

I think it has something to do with v10's weirdness with detections or something

[strong yew]

Yeah that's why I currently have

what*

[vast bane]

@violet meadow do you have vision enabled for unlinked dm controlled actors?

i wonder if that could be the source of weirdness for active auras

[violet meadow]

depends but why would it matter?

[vast bane]

doesn't core in v10 do weird things with blinded and deafened?

for detections

[dark canopy]

just rendering

[vast bane]

just strikes me as weird that the second I went away from the core status effects things cleaned up

and I'm seeing the problem again with v10 darkness as well

[violet meadow]

wait what do you mean with that?

[vast bane]

the actor with vision turned on is getting two, everyone else is fine

[violet meadow]

With the darkness from Active Auras?

[vast bane]

I changed my silence to just have a custom ae that gives thunder immunity, no deafened conditions at all, and it started to behave right on the linked actor who had vision settings/detection modes

yeah darkness as is in active auras is a hot mess, the statusefect key is endlessly looping till you kill it

macro.ce was a fix in v9 for this

inv10, its a fix, but linked actors get two blindeds

[violet meadow]

ok does the activation condition false solve that ?

will check darkness in a bit

[strong yew]

Oh interesting is that what it was

my npcs were getting one, but the PCs were getting two

yeah

[violet meadow]

Mine is all over the place

They all get it, but shows only on the unlinked token 😄

I give up 😄

[vast bane]

yeah like I said, anytime you touch the detection status effects weirdness starts

I have a functional setup I will share it shortly just cleaning up stuff

avoid blinded like the plague, remake it as a Darkness effect

man this module is starting to scare me how unreliable it is suddenly

wait I remember now, there is no point to adding blinded to tokens in the aura

the only time darkness does anything different is if a person has devilsight, otherwise nobody can have disadvantage and nobody can have advantage.

or blindsight sorry

[violet meadow]

Not unreliable, but it interacts with many other modules and it needs some more testing

I mean I never use Active Auras for that. I am just playing around now to see what's up 🤷

[vast bane]

darkness has no point to automating, cause both the targets and the sources are blinded so advantage and disadvantage are thrown out cause theres sources of both no matter what unless devilsight/blindsight is at play

[violet meadow]

That's why I had never seen these weird interactions before

[vast bane]

if you replace the blindness condition with a generic darkness using the same midi keys, theres still wonky weird duplicate ae's 1 out of 10 times AND it fails to remove when they leave it

[violet meadow]

If you use the keys only in the effect and no condition, everything seems fine yeah

[vast bane]

thats why I think its related to some sort of changes in core foundry in v10 since deafened and blinded have effects on detection modes right? And typically we both have our visions off for our monsters

this is way above my paygrade, I just don't think I'm the best person to relay all this to kaelad or Mrprimate

[violet meadow]

I take that back, doesnt work correctly still...

[unique cape]

Doesn't seem to work for me. Did it do it for you?

[violet meadow]

I am trying to get it to reproduce safely and then maybe post an issue, but it is not going great 🤷

[violet meadow]

I thought so. Now I am worried that it might not 🤣

[violet meadow]

OK I think it does work now that I retested 🤔

[unique cape]

Hmm

[violet meadow]

Can you try these two?

[unique cape]

Huh. Silence works. Let's see darkness

[violet meadow]

For darkness check the effects tab of the affected creatures

You will not see an icon on the token hud as it was removed for some reason from the spell's effect 😄

[unique cape]

Yeah, I've set up a temp effect icon for it

Darkness works as well -aside from a couple hiccups that I can't reliably reproduce

Rarely it gave a token two effects, sometimes it didn't refresh upon leaving. But it all fixed itself eventually and never repeated

Now, to try it with actual DAE effects

It works!

Many thanks

This has been bothering me for a few days now

[vast bane]

you have to test like 10 times, the issues all seem to be random

[unique cape]

I did. But I at least can see that with these they mostly work as intended

The issues kinda cropped up here and there but again, can't figure out why exactly. And also, they just start working properly on the next casting and or next turn

Without particular rhyme and reason. In fact, I can't even cause one rn

It all works

[vast bane]

I think ultimately we just want to strive to stop the weird active effect transfer on linked actors and stop the endless loop bugs, activation condition true seems to fix the first, and avoiding the default status effects seems to solve the second. The only thing I can't find a fix for is entering and leaving auras not removing/adding after the cast for some stuff.

[unique cape]

CE and immunity both are there and apply and get removed correctly

[unique cape]

Of course. But these jsons by bugbear do exactly that for me. No more weirdness

[vast bane]

those are unlinked, try a token with vision turned on

assuming you turn vision off for dm controlled npcs(most do)

[unique cape]

You mean target linked tokens? I did so, there's also a wizard and a familiar

Let me grab a screenshot

[vast bane]

I actually mean the tokens have vision setup

its just a side effect that this lines up with bugbears and mines setups cause we both turn off vision for dm tokens and 99% of tokens that are unlinked ar dm tokens

either way looks good to me, I might steal that silence one, darkness to me is a automated animation and no need for an active aura imo

[unique cape]

What do you mean by vision setup? There are tokens with basic vision 0 by default and some with darkvision

Also, the spell was cast by tokens with linked actor data and without. The targets also are of both kinds

[vast bane]

so all your actors have vision on, pro tip, thats unnecessary for DM tokens, can vastly improve the performance in live sessions if you turn vision off for tokens you control

theres a toggle for dm vision in the scene tools to make it less weird when you do so too

[unique cape]

Vision Enabled doesn't change anything - unless you toggle it off and don't save the settings. As soon as I did, the aura began applying again properly

[unique cape]

Select token - Vision Enabled off. Cast a spell - the effects do not get removed when moving a token out of aura. Update Token, it starts working again

As for Vision Enabled for NPCs - thanks for the advice

[vast bane]

its more of a suggestion for performance improvements than for testing here, it was just a theory on why linked/unlinked were having different issues

[unique cape]

Will have to try it out though vision is enabled to figure out whether NPCs notice them or not

[vast bane]

I think that active auras is in rough shape atm, hopefully someone can tackle it.

[unique cape]

Yeah. Seems like it's solvable though, in this case at least

The spells work perfectly now (or almost)

[vast bane]

I wonder if warpgating an actor with an aura on them can make it more reliable since paladin aura is the only thing that seems to work reliably in active auras

[unique cape]

Now to figure out how to replicate it and what differs from my settings of an item

[unique cape]

I did try a warpgate with Hunger of Hadar. Kinda wonky to my tastes but the Aura works fineish

Oh, I see what I missed - didn't set false in Activation condition

For bugbear's solution

[violet meadow]

yeah empty evaluates to true

[vast bane]

oh ok, so that stops midi from applying the aura effects to actors atleast

[loud hollow]

Hello! Trying to create an Effect where multiple types of resources are spent, thought that @data.resources.primary.value > 0 Would address that, but it doesn't seem to be (probably on my end, using version 9)

[violet meadow]

Nope that is wrong effect value

Use @resources.secondary.value as the Effect Value instead

Does the readme make it hard to follow? Any input would be good so as to change it accordingly 😄

[loud hollow]

Sorry! I was just testing it out, so far changing things hasn't done anything

the effect I'm trying to get is "As a bonus action, you can spend a Blood Point to roll one of your Hit Dice and recover Hit Points as if you had rolled it during a short rest."

So its consuming a Hit die (done in the item itself) AND a Primary Resource.

[vast bane]

you don't need macros for that

thats basically the same as dwarven fortitude isn't it?

[violet meadow]

That -- yeah what Moto said

Optional effect will not cut it I think

[vast bane]

oh guess you would if bloodpoints is also a resource

[loud hollow]

Yes, which it is.

[vast bane]

you need an onuse macro to expend a bloodpoint

[violet meadow]

Why? Just use the item and make it consume the correct resource

[vast bane]

cause you have to consume the hit dice

its consuming 2 called resources

[loud hollow]

It consumes both the Hit Die and the Blood Point.

[vast bane]

so item macro for 1, consumption for the other

or just handle both in the item macro

sorry, on use macro

here is my dwarven fortitude setup

[violet meadow]

The onUse should be something like ```js
token.actor.rollHitDie()

[vast bane]

there ya go, then set consumption to your blood points

[violet meadow]

then the resource will consume the correct value 🤷

[vast bane]

does rolling the hit die actually heal?

[loud hollow]

Yes it does

[vast bane]

I ask cause technically that means you don't want the item you are "using" to have a heal equation.

unless the heal is different than simply rolling a hit die

then you don't want his macro, you want a resource consumption macro

[loud hollow]

The Heal works as if the creature had rolled a Hit die during a short rest, so even if it expends the hit die but the heal roll is separate, that works fine for my purposes.

[vast bane]

so if you use his on use macro, you want the "Action Type" set to other and no fields entered for formulas

[violet meadow]

Yeah just an onUse

[vast bane]

if you roll a hit die in the macro, AND have a healing formula, it will heal twice

BUT, if you blank out the action type you lose access to the on use menu

so set it to other and keep everything blank

[loud hollow]

gotcha, ok.

Lemme try that

[vast bane]

how does it know which die to roll?

in the case of a multiclass

[violet meadow]

the higher first one available, if you don't define one

[vast bane]

you need to hit the plus sign to the right at the bottom for on use macro, and put bugbears macro in the item macro field

[loud hollow]

does it need to be different than "before after effects"?

[violet meadow]

Doesn't matter in this case

[vast bane]

yeah its a macro that doesn't touch workflows right, so any setting works

[loud hollow]

Its expending the BP and the HD, but not healing

[vast bane]

let me test on my end

its working for me

its not using midi to heal fyi

[vast bane]

if you are determining this via the midi dialogue, rolling hit dice in dnd5e is automatic healing I believe

it bypasses midi

[violet meadow]

Yeah its a system's function

[vast bane]

so if he was at full health you probably wouldn't tell the difference

[loud hollow]

I have set the PC's health to 1, just to see healing differences

[vast bane]

and it rolls the heal and fails to heal?

[loud hollow]

Its not currently rolling anything, unless I have Bugbears macro in the wrong place

i currently have it in the field, not the words ItemMacro

[violet meadow]

It needs to be a macro

[loud hollow]

Yep that was it

[vast bane]

you need to click this at the top and put the macro there:

then put ItemMacro in the on use field

[loud hollow]

We got there in the end lol

Thanks for your help!

that was exactly what i wanted

[vast bane]

I kinda wanna do that for dwarven fortitude now lol

oh wait I can't

cause I explode heals

[loud hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-kermit-darth-kermit-gif-25450285

[vast bane]

in my main table we have a house rule where all healing effects can explode on the highest die result, so all our HD's have to be rolled manually

[loud hollow]

gotcha. thats a dope rule.

[vast bane]

I don't like how metagamed death saves are and I like the idea of healing the damage more than riding death saves

[dark canopy]

attack downed characters

[violet meadow]

Actually small correction. If you don't define a denomination of the HD to use, the first available will be used, not the highest

You could include some logic to pick the highest one

[vast bane]

I do that too, but I really dislike the fact that tough fights always devolve into whack a mole of the frontliner

plus it makes healing fun

[dark canopy]

death and dying rules and handling them in play is a very good and complex topic if you want to continue in #tabletop-discussion 🙂

[neon adder]

Is there a reasonable way for a macro fired as an OnUse item macro to know if a spell slot was used to fire it off? I'm trying to know what the answer was to the Consume Spell Slot question asked on the dialog that pops after clicking a spell to be used fro, within my macro.

[jagged bear]

Can an flags.midi-qol.OverTime DAE roll on a table, or must I use the macro portion of that? 🙂

[digital lagoon]

Howdy all - quick question.

Is there a way with Midi QoL to get it so that it:

Prompts players for a save and doesn't show them the damage result before hand.

Prompts for rolls, but waits for the DM to apply the results (like with damage)

Basically after some suspense as it currently just does everything automatically and shows the result before the dice have stopped rolling.

[vast bane]

@item.level

but I think that means the macro needs to go after active effects then or something

[neon adder]

Thanks!

[vast bane]

It sounds like you have full auto on, workflow tab button>workflow tab>saves sub section. Also the damage section to toggle off auto damage application

if you want the damage rolled after the saving throw, that is not rules as written in dnd5e. The spell is cast regardless of whether the save is made, which means the damage dice are thrown before the save IRL.

[digital lagoon]

Ah I see

[digital lagoon]

I currently have it set up so:

Rolls for attack are made - I confirm result - damage is or is not rolled - I then apply damage via a click.

Saves - saves are prompted and if damage is present it is rolled first.

Results of saves are applied immediately - ideally I'd like for the result to be applied 'manually' (i.e the full effect is applied via one click like damage)

[neon adder]

@item.level holds the level at which the spell was cast (I believe). I'm trying to know if a spell slot was burned to cast the spell (so I can refund a spell slot burned on a spell that is cancelled before taking effect)

[vast bane]

you are kinda describing things like you aren't using midi

do you have other rollers installed @digital lagoon

[digital lagoon]

I believe I do - I've got a lot of stuff in my modules. I'm scared to remove any of it as it may break XD

[vast bane]

its in the castdata not sure how to pull that up

[vast bane]

midi calculates the hits, if the setting is on, and it also calculates save success, you either don't have that stuff on, or you aren't actually using midi

[neon adder]

Intersting, seems like a sensible place for it. Now, to try to find it

[digital lagoon]

Fair enough - thanks 🙂

[vast bane]

what are you missing, or show me a snippet of your attacks and save damage spells

[digital lagoon]

Yeah - I have that. The first one

I just want it so the damage isn't displayed until after the save roll is made.

[vast bane]

thats not how dnd does things.

the save is asked for after the damage is rolled

as in tabletop dnd, thats how all saves are worded, you can save for half of the damage, you don't make the save first

[dark canopy]

the damage isn't necessarily known to the players. I cant find any specific resolution order for spells that damage on failed save.

(would love to be wrong)

[digital lagoon]

Ah ok - that's fine then.

If that's how it's supposed to work, the whole thing is working then 🙂

[vast bane]

ok to avoid the philosphical debate on rules, midi doesn't do change the order of that, so you are stuck with that order

[vast bane]

if theres no flavor in a damage bonus dice roll in an active effect, is it pure damage or whatever the damage of the original damage?

for midi damage application

[violet meadow]

Whatever was the original

[runic marlin]

hi everyone, probably a silly question but has anyone else had issues getting the ability relentless endurance to work? when we try to use the ability it says "xyz is incapacitated" as midi QOL marks you as unconscious at 0hp. Thanks in advance!

[violet meadow]

If you want MidiQOL to allow actions when a player is Incapacitated, you will need to change its settings.
Go to MidiQOL settings => Workflow Settings => Mechanics tab and uncheck the option

Otherwise you will need to create the feature a bit differently, with a macro to automate it

[runic marlin]

Thank you so much! your a legend!

[violet meadow]

just a friendly bugbear!

[rain steppe]

So, as of right now, is there any way to retain some Midi features (mostly the AE flags. The hit/save check and concentrator would be nice as well) without also having to use the roller? The way Midi just lumps everything together is... difficult to work with. 5e just has so many items with alternate or conditional uses.

[unique cape]

How do I set a bonus activate only once per turn with Babonus?

[violet meadow]

What's the babonus?

[unique cape]

Giant's Might, specifically

Once on each of your turns, one of your attacks with a weapon or an unarmed strike can deal an extra [[/r 1d6]] damage to a target on a hit.

I set it up through DAE before but unfortunately it doesn't crit that way

Babonus does but I struggle to find a way to make it once per turn

[violet meadow]

game.modules.get("babonus").api.toggleBonus(object, id) give me 2

Is it on an actor or an item?

[unique cape]

It's on actor, a class feature

[violet meadow]

So its on an AE on a feature. Do you have Effect Macro module?

[unique cape]

Yep

[violet meadow]

OK so Effect Macro on the AE.
One macro for (dnd5e) on Attack Roll which will be ```js
game.modules.get("babonus").api.toggleBonus(effect, id, false) //id is the one you can find on the babonus=

And another one on Combat Turn Start ```js
game.modules.get("babonus").api.toggleBonus(effect, id, true)

The id can be seen on the right in this screenshot for example

[unique cape]

Gonna try it now

[violet meadow]

Could include another on for Combat Start to be safe

[unique cape]

Do I set babonus in the same effect or on the feature?

[violet meadow]

Its an effect on the feature no?

[unique cape]

Hm. I must be missing something.

[violet meadow]

OK send me over the item you are using

[unique cape]

Babonus here is on the feature, because when I set it on an effect, it wouldn't open after I close the babonus window. I'll try and replicate and see if it throws any errors meanwhile

[violet meadow]

Try this after changing the IDs in all the EMs

I have moved the babonus on the actual effect

So if the effect is not on the actor, it should not do anything

[unique cape]

Thank you for all your help. I am gonna dl it and try it tomorrow.

Probably shouldn't try and tinker with this stuff before bed, but eh

[violet meadow]

@digital lagoon the activation condition will need to be workflow.isCritical and also check the box, Activation condition true required for effect activation, towards the bottom of the Item's details page

[digital lagoon]

Alright - let me pop that in and see how she runs. Thank you!

[violet meadow]

if you want a nat20 only, workflow.d20AttackRoll===20

[digital lagoon]

Absolutely perfect as is, as I am going to expand the critical range on the weapon as a bonus as he uses it. Thank you so much!

[strong yew]

I misremembered about who took Hex in my group

My warlock actually took it from fey touched so he didn't have to learn it as part of his spells and got a free usage

boy does that not seem to work lol. Either ends up always prepared with no uses and only useable by pact, or only one use and not recastable with pact slots

[molten solar]

Always hilarious to peek in here and see the convo is focused squarely on my modules alone.

[violet meadow]

Hey DAE and MidiQOL application and you are hitching a ride 😄

[molten solar]

Does Midi not require the Midi chat cards to work?

[strong yew]

Also is there any way to remove "Apply active effects" from the cards?

[violet meadow]

Workflow tab in workflow settings

[strong yew]

Ah thanks, I had apply and remove instead

[violet meadow]

@rain steppe Oh missed that one. The flags if not fast forwarding rolls will not offer you much.

When you say the roller, what is the issue with it?

[rain steppe]

Mostly just missing the separate rolls that Ready Set Roll and Roll Groups offer. Something like Green Flame Blade can be made quite easily there, just two damage lines (and you can add context and descriptors, like "to primary target"). Midi just melts them together into one damage roll.

[violet meadow]

You should give Advantage Reminder a try, which works with MidiQOL well if not fast forwarding

Yeah MidiQOL will need some macros as it does that with a greater amount of automation than probably what you are after

[rain steppe]

I actually got a really good balance of what I want by accident when I activated RSR and Midi at once. Midi checked for hits and saves in separate chat windows, while RSR handled the actual attack/damage rolls (and RSR has much better hover-over buttons to apply damage). The two coexisted for all of five minutes before they tore each other apart and painted my console red.

[molten solar]

If you don't want all of Midi's automation though... take a plunge into middle-automation heaven.

Oh especially so if you don't apply damage automatically.

Cus there aren't alternatives to that feature in particular, but all the rest of Midi's features do have some.

[violet meadow]

Damage application and fast forwarding rolls is my main need that MidiQOL helped fulfil back in the day! Now I am hooked 😄

[rain steppe]

Hmm, any suggestions? I'm definitely cooling on full-automation

[molten solar]

Roll Groups and Concentration Notifier + Visual Active Effects

[violet meadow]

Faster Rolls 😄

[molten solar]

and Faster Rolls By Default

Ah, and Effective Transferral 🙂

[rain steppe]

I do really like active effects which deal with advantage/disadvantage, and Convenient Effects is pretty handy... but that all hinges on Midi, I believe?

[violet meadow]

Or watch how Atropos does it in the stream now 😅

[molten solar]

Midi flags do require midi, yeah

Eh?

Atro... using mods?

wut

[violet meadow]

none

I will watch to see the other side 😄

[molten solar]

That's more like it

[rain steppe]

Yyyup, thought so. The whole active effect side of Midi is gold. Hard to give that up

[molten solar]

Can probably get most of the way there with Advantage Reminder

It is compatible with Faster Rolls

I don't remember the exact details, but the two had a chat about compatibility in a thread over on the League server

[rain steppe]

Sooo, Roll Groups as the actual roller, Faster Rolls to skip the pop-ups, Advantage Reminder to handle (dis)adv., Effective Transferral to give effects to targets, and Concentration Notifier (or I think CUB does something similar) for concentration checks

[violet meadow]

Sounds about right! Probably will receive more help with all these in #513918036919713802 or #dnd5e if needed!

[strong yew]

Why would you want to do all that? Is Midi especially resource heavy or something?

[molten solar]

Compared to that setup? Yes

[violet meadow]

They need more granular control over their rolls.

[molten solar]

CUB is good. Reason I suggested CN (other than it being what I use) is compatibility with VAE (for more convenience).

[violet meadow]

Does CUB concentration delete effects associated?

[molten solar]

I do not know.

[violet meadow]

I have never tried it 😊

[molten solar]

I just rather enjoy my recent addition to CN with VAE. Don't need a macro or anything for any spell that requires concentration

[violet meadow]

I will probably test them at some point on a different setup for another GM

[rain steppe]

Mostly just frustrated with having to do this for any spell which has more than a single damage roll applied one time.

I could still use Midi and do macros for such spells, but finding them is a bit of a tall order (and I'm a caveman, I can't make them myself)

[molten solar]

Yeah no, this is some DDB-level of sheet clutter. No thank you

[violet meadow]

@coarse mesa did you make the death save thingy you needed?

[coarse mesa]

#1010273821401555087 message 😄

Thanks for checking in tho!

[strong yew]

So some of the template spells my players cast automatically go into the template placing mode right when they're cast

but some of them, it just puts it on the card and you have to click

Is there an option on the spell to just immediately place the template?

[vast bane]

sounds like bad on use macros to me

or the item's details does not have a range/target setup

so bad importer/bad creations

also could be that the player uncheckd the place measured template button as well blindly thinking it was a resource consumption. New players treat those popouts weirdly like EULA agreement checks

[strong yew]

So there's no macros on these actually

[vast bane]

share the details tab of the spell

[vast bane]

this is my first time even seeing that, wtf is line width is that a thing lol?

(frantically looking for lightning to fiddle with)

[strong yew]

It also doesn't go into templates automatically on Shatter

[vast bane]

is that tashas caustic brew?

[strong yew]

Yeah

[vast bane]

can you humor me with the bottom half of that details tab, thats where the mistakes will be

[vast bane]

mine works fine, have you tried with just midi qol, dae, socketlib, and libwrapper?

[strong yew]

No I haven't

I'll give it a shot

btw, do you have a hideous laughter macro?