Glizzy got an other industrial printer | 3D Printing | Page 1

flint sphinx Feb 18, 2026, 10:34 PM

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Hehehehehe I have yet again been left to browse marketplace for too long and got a good deal on an other industrial printer

covert crescent Feb 18, 2026, 11:11 PM

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ooh that's idex right?

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what temp does it get up to?

novel crag Feb 19, 2026, 12:13 AM

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take more pics of the motion system 👀

flint sphinx Feb 19, 2026, 1:45 AM

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covert crescent ooh that's idex right?

Yeah, gets to 100C chamber and 200C bed

flint sphinx Feb 19, 2026, 2:15 AM

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novel crag take more pics of the motion system 👀

I'll try to take some when I get home in like 2h

flint sphinx Feb 19, 2026, 4:15 AM

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Just got home exactly 2h later

flint sphinx Feb 19, 2026, 4:25 AM

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novel crag take more pics of the motion system 👀

novel crag Feb 19, 2026, 4:33 AM

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flint sphinx

mmm ok

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and this shit gets them 100c huh

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interesting choice with the bltouch

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and that wiring

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also, is that reverse bowden capricorn?

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thanks btw

flint sphinx Feb 19, 2026, 4:39 AM

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novel crag also, is that reverse bowden capricorn?

Yes

flint sphinx Feb 19, 2026, 4:39 AM

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novel crag and this shit gets them 100c huh

Yeah I am not sure if everything is original on there

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Might have to reverse engineer things to put them back on metal parts

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Also emailed them because there are free parts I can get apparently, hope they will give them to me even if I am not the first owner

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Hmmmmmmmmmm

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Yep yep yep yep yep

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That would indeed be the issue right there

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@crimson sluice @strange rose lmao wtf is happening there vaulthah

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I mean my finger clearly closes the contact but wow didn't think it would be enough to turn that lil light on

little harness Feb 19, 2026, 4:51 AM

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I feel more adequate with the DupliHeater now🙏

flint sphinx Feb 19, 2026, 4:54 AM

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Oh it's the 5V converter that is shot

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And 12V too I guess

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Aight so full electronics bay rework it is then

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And then I hope nothing else pops up in the process

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Oh I have a 24V meanwell

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Amazing, didn't think I did

strange rose Feb 19, 2026, 5:09 AM

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novel crag interesting choice with the bltouch

that doesn't look original

flint sphinx Feb 19, 2026, 5:09 AM

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strange rose that doesn't look original

It was a bltouch originally

novel crag Feb 19, 2026, 5:09 AM

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strange rose that doesn't look original

i know for a fact older version 22idex use bltouch

flint sphinx Feb 19, 2026, 5:12 AM

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120V plug fits perfectly

novel crag Feb 19, 2026, 5:13 AM

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surprising amount of printed shit on that printer

flint sphinx Feb 19, 2026, 5:13 AM

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Yeah I am not sure if everything is original

novel crag Feb 19, 2026, 5:13 AM

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although i guess it makes sense for such low volumes

novel crag Feb 19, 2026, 5:14 AM

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flint sphinx Yeah I am not sure if everything is original

that ebox definately didnt arrive like that

flint sphinx Feb 19, 2026, 5:14 AM

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There have been at least 3 batches of the v2

flint sphinx Feb 19, 2026, 5:14 AM

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novel crag that ebox definately didnt arrive like that

Most of it did

novel crag Feb 19, 2026, 5:15 AM

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flint sphinx Most of it did

damn. and it costs 15k? 😭

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my stock ender 3 was better cable managed

strange rose Feb 19, 2026, 5:15 AM

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flint sphinx It was a bltouch originally

huh

flint sphinx Feb 19, 2026, 5:16 AM

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novel crag my stock ender 3 was better cable managed

Oh idk about cable management

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Mod #1: replacing some phillips with hex, this probably will give an 80% better print quality already

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The bed is only 500W at 240V...

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Wtf

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And the chamber heater only 150w?

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Huh?

little harness Feb 19, 2026, 5:26 AM

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With a bit of help of the chamber

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Oh. Well long heatsoaking then

flint sphinx Feb 19, 2026, 5:26 AM

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Well ima need a new heater that's for sure

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Probably a new bed entirely

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Hmmmm

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Wonder if it is not a v1

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Adding it all up it doesn't make 2200W

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Doesn't really matter, anyways, should head to bed

novel crag Feb 19, 2026, 5:31 AM

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flint sphinx The bed is only 500W at 240V...

that's the same w/m^2 as an ender 3 lmao

stone vault Feb 19, 2026, 6:56 AM

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flint sphinx I mean my finger clearly closes the contact but wow didn't think it would be eno...

Well, it's MOSFETs, there's no current requirement other than forced by the gate charge / discharge resistors

flint sphinx Feb 19, 2026, 9:44 PM

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stone vault Well, it's MOSFETs, there's no current requirement other than forced by the gate...

@median idol I think you will also enjoy this vaulthah

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 12:31 AM

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Yeah I saw it, custom made?

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I'm a fan of low power stuff, I am curious to see the heating times. Is it working?

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 1:26 AM

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median idol Yeah I saw it, custom made?

Nope, 22idex

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But I was told it is a v2 but it actually is a V1

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Vision miner emailed me back, hopefully they will send me free stuff to upgrade things vaulthah

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 6:54 AM

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Mmm

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I can only ask how much was it?

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Im not a 22idex fan, quite the opposite monkakarp but I am happy for you if you got it for a good price

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 12:50 PM

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median idol I can only ask how much was it?

1340$ CAD

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 12:52 PM

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median idol Im not a 22idex fan, quite the opposite<:monkakarp:596704350919852042> but I am ...

Do I think it is the best printer ever? No, I am not delusional, but I do like markforged kinematic and i think it has good potential for upgrade

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 12:57 PM

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median idol Im not a 22idex fan, quite the opposite<:monkakarp:596704350919852042> but I am ...

What exactly is it you do not like about it?

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 1:57 PM

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flint sphinx 1340$ CAD

At that price I like it very much

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 2:00 PM

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flint sphinx What exactly is it you do not like about it?

It's not that I don't like it as a machine on its own, but I really dislike as a machine sold at the price they put

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 2:00 PM

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ah ok yeah

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 2:00 PM

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Does it make sense? I feel like I did not explain myself the best

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 2:00 PM

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you just think it is massively overpriced basically

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 2:00 PM

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Yeah

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To say the least

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Because when I put it next to a real industrial machine its embarassing

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At the same price

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How much is it retail, 12k?

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Lol 15k

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They need to cut the price 4-5 times lower as far as im concerned

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Idk what your version is different in, if it has the same specs but just older/slower then you got a super deal, I would have bought it too in an istant

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 2:26 PM

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median idol Idk what your version is different in, if it has the same specs but just older/s...

it is on BMG and mosquito instead of LGX and copperhead, printed motion parts instead of the metal ones in the newer versions and duet 2 instead of duet 3 and maybe custom boards for the V4, it also has a bltouch instead of the klicky style on the new ones

strange rose Feb 20, 2026, 2:46 PM

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the bmg and mosq sounds like an upgrade

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printed parts you can redo anyway and the duet 2 is still alright

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sounds like a good deal

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 3:13 PM

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flint sphinx it is on BMG and mosquito instead of LGX and copperhead, printed motion parts in...

I'm curious to know if there is any particular things in that ht bed compared to a regular one?

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And how is the chamber heater?

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 3:14 PM

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strange rose the bmg and mosq sounds like an upgrade

I prefer LGX personally tbh

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mosq is an upgrade tho

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 3:15 PM

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median idol I'm curious to know if there is any particular things in that ht bed compared to...

not really no, but the bed connects directly to the kinematic balls instead of having a frame for it

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and the chamber heater is just a PTC

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I am going to need to get a new one because this one will be too weak, maybe I will get 2

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 3:16 PM

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flint sphinx not really no, but the bed connects directly to the kinematic balls instead of h...

I think I understood but im not certain 😂

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 3:16 PM

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it doesn't have extrusions under it

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just 3 balls going to the Z steppers

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 3:17 PM

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And a alu plate?

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 3:17 PM

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or Z stages

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 3:17 PM

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median idol And a alu plate?

yeah

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it is a bit thin, probably will get a new one at some point

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 3:18 PM

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Damn 200° and a thin alu bed doesnt sound very good

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Im not sure about the various alloys but I feel 200° is too much

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Creep territory right

stone vault Feb 20, 2026, 3:20 PM

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flint sphinx not really no, but the bed connects directly to the kinematic balls instead of h...

That's my preferred arrangement vaulthah

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 3:20 PM

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well yeah it is the better one

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 3:21 PM

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I want to see how long it takes to reach the max

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I think @stone vault the other day was saying something about the difference from heating to 100 or 200 is not much or something like that.. I can't recall exactly

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Like I am probably overthinking it but does that mean I can heat any bed to 200 as I can heat it to 100 with the same configuration? Ignoring the mechanical build

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Tldr: what the fuck is the difference between your 200 bed and a "standard" 100 bed

little harness Feb 20, 2026, 3:31 PM

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Probs not much, considering a normal alu heatblock is good for 300ºC (that doesn't need stiffness, granted)

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 3:32 PM

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median idol Tldr: what the fuck is the difference between your 200 bed and a "standard" 100 ...

adhesive

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 3:33 PM

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flint sphinx adhesive

dead

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 3:33 PM

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also thermal fuse

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 3:35 PM

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So in printers they limit the bed temp to what the pieces its made with can withstand basically

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Or well, they should..

little harness Feb 20, 2026, 3:35 PM

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As one does, weakest link etc

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 3:36 PM

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little harness Probs not much, considering a normal alu heatblock is good for 300ºC (that doesn...

Yeah but im not sure a bed plate, especially without a frame, at 200° won't creep

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300mm also

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Anyway thank you all the info will come in handy for my builds 🙏

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 3:38 PM

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flint sphinx also thermal fuse

Are you gonna test for creep or you gonna rebuild anyway?

little harness Feb 20, 2026, 3:38 PM

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vision miner says to heatsoak for at least 60 mins at temp

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 3:38 PM

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median idol Are you gonna test for creep or you gonna rebuild anyway?

creep of what?

little harness Feb 20, 2026, 3:39 PM

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Bed at max temp

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 3:39 PM

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flint sphinx creep of what?

The alu bed

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 3:40 PM

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yeah probably will

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if I can get it to heat up enough

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it is only 160W on 120V

novel crag Feb 20, 2026, 3:42 PM

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flint sphinx it is only 160W on 120V

I dont think youll be able to break 100c with that

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 3:43 PM

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with a heated up chamber I might be able to

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I want to get a convection oven heater I think

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but monies

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they are expensive af

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I have an air fryer heater and fan maybe I will try that

novel crag Feb 20, 2026, 3:45 PM

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flint sphinx they are expensive af

what

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I got mine for 30 bucks

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median idol Feb 20, 2026, 3:48 PM

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novel crag I dont think youll be able to break 100c with that

What am I missing here

novel crag Feb 20, 2026, 3:48 PM

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median idol What am I missing here

not enough watts/m^2

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 3:49 PM

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How is it sold as 200°

novel crag Feb 20, 2026, 3:49 PM

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median idol How is it sold as 200°

maybe it's meant to run on 220v

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 3:49 PM

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yeah it is

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 3:50 PM

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But from what we said before... it doesnt matter? monkaHmm if it can reach 100..

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Assuming you can contain the heat inside

novel crag Feb 20, 2026, 4:00 PM

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median idol But from what we said before... it doesnt matter? <:monkaHmm:819882964081967134>...

160w is .13w/cm^2. it's gonna radiate the heat away faster than it can heat up

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 4:18 PM

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median idol But from what we said before... it doesnt matter? <:monkaHmm:819882964081967134>...

tbf as long as I have a chamber heater that allows the chamber to get to like 90C I don't really even need a bed heater

flint sphinx Feb 20, 2026, 4:52 PM

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lmao that's a funny macro

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hmmm not sure what I should do for a heater on this one

median idol Feb 20, 2026, 5:46 PM

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I'll watch closely 😄

strange rose Feb 20, 2026, 9:42 PM

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median idol Yeah but im not sure a bed plate, especially without a frame, at 200° won't cree...

usually adhesives for the magsheet and heating mat are lower temp

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so ideally you sandwich the heater between the alu bed and a steel backer plate and use embedded smco magnets to hold the printing plate

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or maybe get an e3d ht bed from somewhere

flint sphinx Feb 21, 2026, 4:23 PM

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@stone vault would you put more trust in a genuine fotek 100A or a genuine crydom 50A?

stone vault Feb 21, 2026, 4:26 PM

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flint sphinx <@374587076718624768> would you put more trust in a genuine fotek 100A or a genu...

How much load? Send datasheets of both

flint sphinx Feb 21, 2026, 4:28 PM

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stone vault How much load? Send datasheets of both

Oh well I guess it is not genuine, can't find it directly on fotek's website, or maybe it is an old one and they don't have it anymore

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https://www.motorobit.com/ssr-100da-solid-state-relay-100a?srsltid=AfmBOopXnMEcif94JK0q9jKK-kOBzATIXT3dYb0DfqwZDNSZGJUYMfVS

www.motorobit.com

SSR-100DA Solid State Relay 100A Motorobit - Motorobit.com

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I guess it would be this for the fotek

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https://www.sensata.com/sites/default/files/a/sensata-series-1-240-ac-panel-mount-ssr-datasheet.pdf

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And the crydom is D2450-10

novel crag Feb 21, 2026, 4:36 PM

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flint sphinx <@374587076718624768> would you put more trust in a genuine fotek 100A or a genu...

does it even matter

flint sphinx Feb 21, 2026, 4:36 PM

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novel crag does it even matter

Well I just want to put what is best on it

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And I am rewiring it all rn so might as well do that rn

flint sphinx Feb 21, 2026, 4:56 PM

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It's really weird, all the fans and it seems also the hotend heaters are wired for 24V but both PSU's were 12V

stone vault Feb 21, 2026, 5:23 PM

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flint sphinx https://www.motorobit.com/ssr-100da-solid-state-relay-100a?srsltid=AfmBOopXnMEci...

It's obviously a clone

flint sphinx Feb 21, 2026, 5:23 PM

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We're swapping out SSR's then I guess

flint sphinx Feb 21, 2026, 11:09 PM

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almost fully rewired it up, just a couple more things to do, I might be able to have it at least homing tomorrow

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printing covers for the SSR's rn and I might see if I have some microswitches to add filament sensors

flint sphinx Feb 21, 2026, 11:43 PM

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@strange rose do you know if any filament sensors that are better than others?

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like I am looking at the duet one and that seems pretty damn expensive

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but like just a microswitch with a ball bearing sounds fine idk if there are any other sensors that would be enough of an improvement to spend money on them

strange rose Feb 21, 2026, 11:47 PM

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flint sphinx <@278236711753089025> do you know if any filament sensors that are better than o...

I don't use any

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I'd rather just look at the filament left than gamble on having false positives

rancid cargo Feb 22, 2026, 3:32 AM

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wtf

flint sphinx Feb 22, 2026, 4:28 AM

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rancid cargo wtf

I'm playing pokemon with industrial printers vaulthah

flint sphinx Feb 22, 2026, 9:22 PM

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@strange rose do you know if there is something that might be modifying the path of the homing file?

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I keep getting this error when I try homing

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and it slams the 2nd toolhead on the 1st one for like no reason

strange rose Feb 22, 2026, 10:15 PM

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led?

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homeall is in sys

flint sphinx Feb 22, 2026, 10:34 PM

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strange rose homeall is in sys

yeah that's what I don't get, it keeps trying to read it from there

strange rose Feb 22, 2026, 11:07 PM

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not sure why

flint sphinx Feb 23, 2026, 3:28 PM

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@tacit vine I also have a project thread here for the 22idex

tacit vine Feb 23, 2026, 3:31 PM

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Alright.

flint sphinx Feb 25, 2026, 12:39 AM

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it be printing

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making a purge bucket for it now

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need to make tolerances a bit tighter

strange rose Feb 25, 2026, 7:20 AM

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flint sphinx

I love this

flint sphinx Feb 27, 2026, 1:53 PM

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I am going to portugal for a week but once I get back I think I will start making macros for it, probably also going to try to do filament management

tacit vine Feb 27, 2026, 1:57 PM

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Enjoy

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@flint sphinx Did you fix the homing issue?

flint sphinx Feb 27, 2026, 1:58 PM

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Yes

tacit vine Feb 27, 2026, 1:59 PM

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What was it in the end, I missed that update.

flint sphinx Feb 27, 2026, 2:06 PM

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tacit vine What was it in the end, I missed that update.

I had to redo the kinematic, it was done as if it was cartesian and it was wrong, the current config for the v2 is also cartesian but I wasn't able to get it to work properly

tacit vine Feb 27, 2026, 3:56 PM

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the legacy v2 thing you shared with me was incomplete for dual markforged. No idea what they are smoking at AddWise

flint sphinx Feb 27, 2026, 6:02 PM

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tacit vine the legacy v2 thing you shared with me was incomplete for dual markforged. No id...

the current v2 config is also using a cartesian like that, I don't get why

tacit vine Feb 27, 2026, 6:08 PM

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I mean, if you do cartesian, and then define the X,U,Y,Z axes completely, that will override it

flint sphinx Feb 27, 2026, 6:17 PM

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Yeah I did override all the axes

strange rose Feb 28, 2026, 4:50 PM

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flint sphinx

could you share this?

flint sphinx Feb 28, 2026, 4:52 PM

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strange rose could you share this?

It is not finished yet but I can send it in a couple hours when I get to the next airport

strange rose Feb 28, 2026, 4:53 PM

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where you flyin?

flint sphinx Feb 28, 2026, 4:54 PM

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To Philadelphia for a layover and then Portugal

strange rose Feb 28, 2026, 4:54 PM

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oo nice

flint sphinx Feb 28, 2026, 4:55 PM

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You don't have solidworks or inventor right?

strange rose Feb 28, 2026, 4:56 PM

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nope

flint sphinx Feb 28, 2026, 4:58 PM

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Aight, I'll try to remake it in fusion for you so you can modify it for your printer then

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It also has a space for a silicone brush at the top

strange rose Feb 28, 2026, 5:39 PM

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step would be perfectly fine

strange rose Feb 28, 2026, 5:40 PM

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flint sphinx It also has a space for a silicone brush at the top

that's perfect

flint sphinx Feb 28, 2026, 8:15 PM

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strange rose step would be perfectly fine

Would be a pain, I'll just remake for you and add parametric things so you can adjust preload

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I have sketch and modeling tree already won't take too long

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 3:01 PM

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Alright, I am back in Canada so should make some progress soon™ I was just told by the rep at visionminer that the mosquitoes are indeed not stock so they don't have a duct for it so I am going to have to make my own

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 3:57 PM

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interesting

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what will you do to line up the nozzles?

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the copperheads can be adjusted but mosq cannot

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:23 PM

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strange rose the copperheads can be adjusted but mosq cannot

probably just pray it is not too bad for duplication and mirroring and for idex prints I'll calibrate it

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btw how should I be setting things up for IS on RRF? I forgot how to do it vaulthah

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or I might not even have done it properly last time

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:25 PM

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same as klipper, mzv but make it so it covers both x and y

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:25 PM

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yeah but like I have to do the motion analysis

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idk how I should set that up

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should I be doing small or big moves?

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:26 PM

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oh, I just do very high accel, very high jerk, pretty high speed and do like a 10 mm move

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:26 PM

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ah ok

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:26 PM

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seems like the most readable output

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:26 PM

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why MZV over the other ones?

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:28 PM

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zv is not enough, ei and zvdd limit accels way too much

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flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:28 PM

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ah ok

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:29 PM

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as you see at 59 hz it covers both axes

tacit vine Mar 10, 2026, 4:29 PM

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flint sphinx Alright, I am back in Canada so should make some progress soon™ I was just told ...

Aren't they copperheads?

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:29 PM

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no

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the guy apparently put some mosquitoes on it after buying it

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thought it was standard but the addwise 22idex actually came with some e3d volcanoes

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:31 PM

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flint sphinx ah ok

it's only an issue if you want to go "fast"

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zvd starts rounding corners way before mzv

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you can also do custom shaper

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but mzv periods line up perfectly for me

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:33 PM

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I do 6k accel 180mm/s outer walls, top and bottom solid, 10k 300mm/s almost everything else

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:33 PM

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10k with zvd was awful for me

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:33 PM

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not super mega fast

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:33 PM

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ei is best like max 3k accel

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zvd like 5-6k

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but maybe your setups different, so worth a few tries

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:38 PM

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ah fuck does it home before doing the motion?

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the adxl is pointed towards the bed and it would hit if it does home Z

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:41 PM

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well you need to home before moving the axes

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you can like force it with commands

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:42 PM

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yeah but it doesn't auto home then

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:42 PM

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is that an issue?

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just do it by hand so you don't have to take the adxl off

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:43 PM

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yeah I set the Z axis height by hand and it is far from the bed

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:43 PM

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so just do like G92 Z100

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:43 PM

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but if it auto homes it will try to home into the adxl

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:43 PM

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that's why you G92 it

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makes it think it's homed

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:48 PM

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ok I have no clue what I am looking at and what it should look like

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:49 PM

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like regular klipper shaper

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disable the capture whole thing and enable wide band

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then it should look readable

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:50 PM

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aaaah okay

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ah yeah, shit is fucked

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:52 PM

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what accel and jerk was this

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and moved mm

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:53 PM

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jerk of 900, accel of 25k

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:54 PM

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hmm

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maybe capture whole was enabled?

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I kinda forgot

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:55 PM

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still kinda fucked

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:56 PM

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it is, I'm unsure

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let me turn on mine, it should have the method saved

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 4:56 PM

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this is with no shaping enabled

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:56 PM

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yeah that's the one you should do

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M566 X6000 Y6000

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M203 X60000 Y60000

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and accels at 30k for me

crimson sluice Mar 10, 2026, 4:59 PM

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the initial spike is probably from the stepper starting to move, the docs mention something about ignoring the first 15hz or so

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 4:59 PM

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my X is strange

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 5:00 PM

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oh ok you do a 20mm move

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ok that looks more reasonable

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 5:03 PM

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better yeah

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do mzv at like 40 hz

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and re measure

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 5:04 PM

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this is at 45hz

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 5:05 PM

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looks acceptable, the very low freq peaks just ruin it

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 5:05 PM

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yeah but if it is just stepper then it doesn't matter

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 5:05 PM

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not sure why yours look that high

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but yeah give this a test

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need to sit down again sometime and fix my X

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 5:06 PM

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45hz vs 60hz

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0.05 damping factor

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 5:07 PM

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first looks better

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 5:07 PM

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40 looks a bit better I think

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 5:08 PM

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yeah, heavy Y

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but mzv covers both nicely

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 5:09 PM

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I'll try zvd and ei2 to see

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oof yeah not zvd

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and not ei2 either I guess

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 5:22 PM

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strange rose but yeah give this a test

any suggestions of what to print to test it out?

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 5:22 PM

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a printer part of course

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vaulthah

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ringing tower I guess

flint sphinx Mar 10, 2026, 5:26 PM

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strange rose ringing tower I guess

which one?

strange rose Mar 10, 2026, 5:27 PM

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any

flint sphinx Mar 11, 2026, 7:15 PM

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@strange rose is there not MPC now in RRF?

crimson sluice Mar 11, 2026, 7:15 PM

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no

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but there is feedforward

flint sphinx Mar 11, 2026, 7:16 PM

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ah okay

strange rose Mar 11, 2026, 7:31 PM

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it's mpc like

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but yeah extra heater control is heatforward

tacit vine Mar 11, 2026, 9:41 PM

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flint sphinx <@278236711753089025> is there not MPC now in RRF?

dc42 told me their control algorithm is more like MPC than like trad PID

flint sphinx Mar 11, 2026, 9:43 PM

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strange rose but yeah extra heater control is heatforward

Are you using it?

strange rose Mar 11, 2026, 9:46 PM

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yep

stone vault Mar 11, 2026, 11:47 PM

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tacit vine dc42 told me their control algorithm is more like MPC than like trad PID

That's because MPC for hotend is so rudimentary, you take into account:
Constant heat loss (P term of PID)
Thermal inertia (I term of PID)
Heat loss due to parts fan (fan feed forward like in RRF)
Heat loss due to filament flow (RRF doesn't take this one into account)
The main thing that full MPC does better is lower settling time as thermal inertia is a bit more rudimentary than modelling thermal capacity

strange rose Mar 12, 2026, 9:40 AM

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stone vault That's because MPC for hotend is so rudimentary, you take into account: Constant...

heatforward for flow I think

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fan is different

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it can be used for fan but mainly makes the hotend hotter when it's extruding more

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M307 K is the fan parameter and calibrated during heater tool tuning

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M309 S is the power scaling with extrusion rate

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or feedforward

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I forgot the names but it does scale based on flow

stone vault Mar 12, 2026, 9:49 AM

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strange rose I forgot the names but it does scale based on flow

Well, both are feedforward in controls

strange rose Mar 12, 2026, 9:49 AM

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yeah you're right

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so many stuff to adjust

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thankfully the fan and pid is handled very well by the autotune

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the flow coefficient is a bit harder to do

stone vault Mar 12, 2026, 9:52 AM

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The upside of MPC is that these values get physical sense like "average specific heat of filament"

strange rose Mar 12, 2026, 9:53 AM

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bet it wouldn't be too hard to transform that into a config parameter

tacit vine Mar 12, 2026, 10:50 AM

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I wouldnt be surprised if there was a constant in the RRF source code that amounts to specific heat that could be pulled out ... nice starter project to acquaint yourself with the build environment and so on

strange rose Mar 12, 2026, 12:04 PM

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monkakarp

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I'm not sure if I should commit sacrilige by vibecoding RRF

flint sphinx Mar 15, 2026, 2:00 PM

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Well I printed 2 parts in aero ASA so far, they look pretty good (especially given it is aero ASA) and I got the chamber to around 50C with the bed heater and the chamber heater, pretty impressive given that the chamber heater is only running at 188W

tacit vine Mar 15, 2026, 3:19 PM

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how'd you deal with the heating delay on the chamber?

flint sphinx Mar 15, 2026, 3:44 PM

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tacit vine how'd you deal with the heating delay on the chamber?

I didn't really, I just kept resetting it until I got it to an "ok" temp and then left it at that, was able to stabilize just fine

flint sphinx Mar 15, 2026, 6:47 PM

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the preview of the bed is flipped on the X axis I have no idea what is happening

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the firmware on this printer is truely fucked

crimson sluice Mar 15, 2026, 6:49 PM

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did it probed it in the correct direction?

flint sphinx Mar 15, 2026, 6:50 PM

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yes

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well motion goes in the right direction when I tell it to

crimson sluice Mar 15, 2026, 6:51 PM

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ive discovered a bug with the bed mesh being weird last year or two years ago

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what firmware version are you on? it should be fixed in 3.5.6 i think

flint sphinx Mar 15, 2026, 6:52 PM

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3.6.2 rc-1

crimson sluice Mar 15, 2026, 6:54 PM

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yea that one should be fixed there

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if i remember correctly ive had that issue once too.
cant remember what i did to fix that

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i think coordinates where swapped or smth

flint sphinx Mar 15, 2026, 6:57 PM

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bed is fucked on there but when I try do check manually it is off by like 0.04-0.08mm maybe? so like it is good

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I might have to just redo the whole config at this point idk

flint sphinx Mar 15, 2026, 7:19 PM

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now it keeps going to tool 3 and there is nothing anywhere that mentions tool 3 in any macros that it could be running

crimson sluice Mar 15, 2026, 7:26 PM

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usually a sign to just backup the configs and start over

flint sphinx Mar 15, 2026, 7:28 PM

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yeah it is what I am going to do I think but like I really need to print some parts rn for a club

flint sphinx Mar 15, 2026, 7:56 PM

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yeah their configuration for anything other than using 1 toolhead is god aweful. I am going to need to redo it all

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well the club will just have to wait longer

flint sphinx Mar 16, 2026, 2:05 PM

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@tacit vine do you have any macros for idex printers? I managed to find your cr-cast configuration but it doesn't have any macros

tacit vine Mar 16, 2026, 2:35 PM

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What kind of macros? It has everything it needs for mirror and copy mode.

flint sphinx Mar 16, 2026, 6:29 PM

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tacit vine What kind of macros? It has everything it needs for mirror and copy mode.

Just general other macros like QOL stuff maybe

tacit vine Mar 16, 2026, 6:45 PM

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No, that machine was YOLO'd and manually tuned and bed plated shimmed

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Also ran copperhead hotends so Z calibration was a breeze

stone vault Mar 16, 2026, 6:51 PM

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tacit vine Also ran copperhead hotends so Z calibration was a breeze

I can confirm

crimson sluice Mar 16, 2026, 7:03 PM

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flint sphinx Just general other macros like QOL stuff maybe

only QOL macro i have is for centering toolheads on the bed for offset calibration

tacit vine Mar 16, 2026, 8:47 PM

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@crimson sluice that sounds interesting. Please share.

flint sphinx Mar 16, 2026, 9:01 PM

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Well I guess I'll have to go mad and make a bunch myself

strange rose Mar 16, 2026, 10:41 PM

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what do you have in mind?

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surely there's not many you need to add

flint sphinx Mar 17, 2026, 12:23 PM

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strange rose what do you have in mind?

Probably not a whole bunch, most likely purge, wipe, custom pause that account for the fact there are 2 toolheads and can be using something that is not just t0, which it doesn't really do rn, also I need to modify things so when I home when I am using a tool it doesn't fuck up, rn it does for some reason

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I also need to make macros for chamber filters, leds, add materials and such

strange rose Mar 17, 2026, 12:28 PM

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you could use a lot of non-idex macros then

flint sphinx Mar 17, 2026, 12:31 PM

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strange rose you could use a lot of non-idex macros then

Yeah, I'll probably base the config off of the troodon 2 from teamgloomy like I have done for my other printers

flint sphinx Mar 17, 2026, 1:53 PM

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@tacit vine do you think I should make the coordinates based off the corner of the bed or should I leave them as is with the origin at the center of the bed?

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not sure if there is that much of a benefit to having them on the center

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also not sure if having centralized variables that get called is better or if putting variables in the different macros and files is better

tacit vine Mar 17, 2026, 2:18 PM

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I did move from center zero to normal bed corner because everything else broke my brain. It should not make a difference function wise unless you have prints you want to print both on a delta and this machine without realizing the file. Probably not likely.

flint sphinx Mar 17, 2026, 3:44 PM

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funny macro to purge things has been made, now going to be doing the wiping macro

📎 message.txt

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claude is pretty handy to comment it all

crimson sluice Mar 17, 2026, 4:02 PM

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tacit vine <@247359861929672714> that sounds interesting. Please share.

not sure if its worth sharing, its just a file that checks if the printer is homed and then moves the active toolhead to the center

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got another one that does the same but for the ABL probe

flint sphinx Mar 17, 2026, 4:08 PM

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and now the wipe is done too, hopefully those will work well and I won't get issues, but with my luck I'll have a lot of troubleshooting ahead

📎 message.txt

flint sphinx Mar 18, 2026, 6:24 PM

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I think I got a little carried away with getting help from claude AI, my print start macro is now 280 lines long vaulthah

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I have material checks, temp checks, sets up idle and regular temp

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 2:30 AM

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well I was able to get it to about 65C in about 1.5h

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not too bad

tacit vine Mar 21, 2026, 6:32 AM

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flint sphinx I have material checks, temp checks, sets up idle and regular temp

Do share

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 2:46 PM

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tacit vine Do share

it is not fully finished I think, still need to review it and confirm it works just like all the other things but I think it will work great when it does, I do think I'll be changing the globals to variables tho since that does not make sense with what I saw in the RRF server

📎 message.txt

strange rose Mar 21, 2026, 2:49 PM

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flint sphinx well I was able to get it to about 65C in about 1.5h

pretty slow, what kinda heater?

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 2:49 PM

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PTC 185W I think?

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for a huge chamber

strange rose Mar 21, 2026, 2:49 PM

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oh, yeah that sounds a bit weak

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 2:49 PM

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yeah it is

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this machine was on 240V

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just don't have the money to get new heaters for it rn

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also a 750W heater in the same size and in 120V is really hard to find

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well maybe not really hard but hard

strange rose Mar 21, 2026, 2:51 PM

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can't you use 240v?

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 2:51 PM

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my dad said no to me running some 240V to my bedroom

strange rose Mar 21, 2026, 2:51 PM

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vaulthah

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well did he say anything about 480v?

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 2:52 PM

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we aren't going to be able to get it to our house, too far from the industrial area

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it is about like 1.5-2km away

stone vault Mar 21, 2026, 2:53 PM

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flint sphinx it is about like 1.5-2km away

Run fiber instead of copper, lower losses vaulthah

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 2:54 PM

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I don't think the power company would appreciate

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and my mom works for them so she might get in extra trouble for it vaulthah

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 2:57 PM

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flint sphinx it is not fully finished I think, still need to review it and confirm it works j...

ah fuck I just realized that there can't be filament assignment to the mirror and duplication mode tools

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I was making them on a break at school so now I need to modify them I guess

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 3:37 PM

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@strange rose do you know if there is something that is being called when a stepper gets enabled? I would want to have the electronics fan kick on whenever that happens but not sure if there is any command that gets executed I could add that to

strange rose Mar 21, 2026, 3:40 PM

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I just use thermo fan

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monitor the driver temps or motherboard

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 3:41 PM

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hmmm adding it to daemon.g is probably not a good idea right?

strange rose Mar 21, 2026, 3:41 PM

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not sure how you'd do stepper energized -> fan on

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 3:42 PM

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oh wait nvm it is fine

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that's what the troodon v2 config from jay does

tacit vine Mar 21, 2026, 3:47 PM

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You can probably look at object model

stone vault Mar 21, 2026, 3:48 PM

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I love object model and abusing the plethora of options

crimson sluice Mar 21, 2026, 3:49 PM

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yea i use something similar to turn on the chamberheater fans on my k3

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 3:50 PM

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yeah not really finding anything about steppers being enabled, I just set it so if an axis is homed it will be kicking on the fans

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just used the things in jay's config and put it in daemon,g

if move.axes[0].homed || move.axes[1].homed || move.axes[2].homed           ; check whether X, Y or Z drivers are active
    M106 P5 S1                                                              ; if they are, turn on the electronics bay fan
else
    M106 P5 S0                                                              ; if not, turn off the electronics bay fan```

stone vault Mar 21, 2026, 3:51 PM

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I think that object model lets you check pin state

crimson sluice Mar 21, 2026, 3:52 PM

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move.axes[0].machinePosition might work
its 0 when its not set or unknown

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 4:01 PM

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crimson sluice move.axes[0].machinePosition might work its 0 when its not set or unknown

issue is that after a print is done it will not get reset so it will keep the electronics fan enabled forever

crimson sluice Mar 21, 2026, 4:08 PM

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then i would just add a global variable and set it in the homing macro and unset it in the print end macro

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 4:09 PM

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well then if I am just doing things on the printer it won't activate, I think jay's solution was good with the daemon.g

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 5:14 PM

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alright, remade the config.g, just need to finish the cancel.g, and the pause.g I think

tacit vine Mar 21, 2026, 5:35 PM

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flint sphinx issue is that after a print is done it will not get reset so it will keep the el...

You can just look at printing state

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In v3.7 you can do OM based triggers which should reduce daemon.g abuse

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 5:37 PM

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the printer is on a duet 2 so I can't go to 3.7

tacit vine Mar 21, 2026, 6:15 PM

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bummer.

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 6:52 PM

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alright got the whole config loaded up

flint sphinx Mar 21, 2026, 8:29 PM

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I don't get it, I have been fighting with that thing forever, never had to do anything like that with any other printers, the Y axis just refuses to home properly and goes in the wrong direction

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and it only goes in the wrong direction when homing not when moving normally

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I just ran it line by line and now it works? what the fuck

tacit vine Mar 22, 2026, 1:31 AM

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Put M400 between the lines in homey.g to see if it works.

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Also, try swapping X and Y steppers to see if that stays with Y or moves to X. The. You may want to inspect the Y driver, depending on outcome.

flint sphinx Mar 22, 2026, 2:48 PM

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tacit vine Also, try swapping X and Y steppers to see if that stays with Y or moves to X. T...

it ended up working after I simply ran it once manually and now it is working every time, I am really lost on why it didn't work

flint sphinx Mar 22, 2026, 9:58 PM

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okay so I am not sure how that can happen but when I do my pause.g I have a line that is putting the toolheads in their parked positions, which is G1 H2 X{move.axes[0].max - 2} U{move.axes[2].min + 2} F3000 ; park X at max - 2mm and U at min + 2mm simultaneously

for some reason the U axis is going to U-145 when it is not supposed to be going there since the minimum for the U axis is -25mm from the config.g```M208 X0:370.4 Y-6:362 U-25:350 Z0:450

so now I am really confused as to wtf it is trying to do

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I am just slightly loosing my mind I think

stone vault Mar 22, 2026, 10:01 PM

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flint sphinx okay so I am not sure how that can happen but when I do my pause.g I have a line...

What do you get when you echo move.axes[2].min?

flint sphinx Mar 22, 2026, 10:02 PM

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0.0 for some reason

flint sphinx Mar 22, 2026, 10:48 PM

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stone vault What do you get when you echo ``move.axes[2].min``?

even right after setting them up it is not giving me the right value

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the Y axis gives me -6 like it should tho

tacit vine Mar 23, 2026, 6:10 AM

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move.axes[2].min is Z

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try move.axes[3].min

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It'd XYZUVAB .... and I don't remember beyond that.

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And the position it shows may be for tool 1, so you'd have to apply tool offsets for it to make sense. Possibly. I don't remember.

flint sphinx Mar 23, 2026, 2:11 PM

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tacit vine try move.axes[3].min

Well I am an idiot, that would explains it, had it defined as X,Y,U,Z,E so thought it was setting the axes in that order

tacit vine Mar 23, 2026, 2:43 PM

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Ah yeah, that would cause some confusion if you're not aware that the output of the OM doesn't care about the order of configuration of axes.

crimson sluice Mar 23, 2026, 4:16 PM

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pretty sure you can lookup the definition in the machine model

flint sphinx Apr 4, 2026, 10:35 PM

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just sent a 13h (I think) print to it, one plate for all the tradrack parts out of PET-CF and the accent color will be purple ASA-CF

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also need to do filamentalist

flint sphinx Apr 4, 2026, 11:28 PM

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printer tells me it will be more like 15-16h it seems

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currently only at layer 8 vaulthah

tacit vine Apr 5, 2026, 9:29 AM

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Time estimation is based on current speed and filament used. Time will go down towards the end a bit.

flint sphinx Apr 5, 2026, 1:51 PM

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Well it is telling me 20 minutes now so it wasn't the best slicer estimate but the printer estimate was decent I guess

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The entire plate is looking good

flint sphinx Apr 5, 2026, 4:26 PM

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Came out perfect

strange rose Apr 5, 2026, 9:11 PM

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nice

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very top could use some higher EM

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also need vid of it in action sunstare

flint sphinx Apr 5, 2026, 11:53 PM

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I shall take some when I get back home

flint sphinx Apr 6, 2026, 2:48 PM

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@strange rose you got any ideas of what to do for cooling fans on the 22idex?

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Kind of seems to have to be mounted to the extruder

strange rose Apr 6, 2026, 2:49 PM

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cpap?

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if it fits a 5015 if fits cpap

flint sphinx Apr 6, 2026, 2:50 PM

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Thought about it but the fan would either need to be at the top of the chamber or I would need more holes in the back coming from the electronics bay

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The gantry doesn't have any space at the back for a tube to pass

strange rose Apr 6, 2026, 2:51 PM

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hmm, then keep the stock config and add sheet cooling

flint sphinx Apr 6, 2026, 2:51 PM

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Oh yeah that could do

strange rose Apr 6, 2026, 2:51 PM

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I think the 12032 can't do high temps though so you need something else

flint sphinx Apr 6, 2026, 2:52 PM

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Just need to make new ducts because originally it was for copperhead or for v6 not mosquito

flint sphinx Apr 6, 2026, 2:52 PM

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strange rose I think the 12032 can't do high temps though so you need something else

Yeah I can probably find something, I should have a couple people I can ask

little harness Apr 6, 2026, 2:52 PM

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~~berdair~~

flint sphinx Apr 6, 2026, 2:53 PM

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Last time I tried it I was melting the parts more and not cooling them vaulthah

flint sphinx Apr 6, 2026, 5:19 PM

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6mm should be enough breathing room for a 2510 right?

flint sphinx Apr 6, 2026, 5:51 PM

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aight that should work

flint sphinx Apr 7, 2026, 3:29 AM

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It just releases so perfectly

flint sphinx Apr 7, 2026, 6:22 PM

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@strange rose here you go

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getting to 40mm^3/s on infill, 2k accel printing and 4k on travel

crimson sluice Apr 7, 2026, 6:24 PM

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flint sphinx It just releases so perfectly

thats why i like my real CF buildplates

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just the right amount of adhesion for PETG and PCTG

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also PET from how it looks

flint sphinx Apr 7, 2026, 6:25 PM

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yeah

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releases so easily

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it really grips on when hot tho

crimson sluice Apr 7, 2026, 6:26 PM

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might grab a thicker one for my k3, but idk if i want to go with binderclips

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could go with another custom made 0.2mm sheet but idk if the transfer tape survives the bed temps

flint sphinx Apr 7, 2026, 6:26 PM

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yeah that's a bit annoying

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I'll probably be putting holes with thumbscrews on it

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but I can't find my taps

crimson sluice Apr 7, 2026, 6:27 PM

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time to Hightemp silicone a sheet to some blank springsteel

flint sphinx Apr 7, 2026, 6:27 PM

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I am really annoyed because they are really nice taps

strange rose Apr 7, 2026, 7:05 PM

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flint sphinx <@278236711753089025> here you go

👀

flint sphinx Apr 8, 2026, 1:25 AM

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It looks so good

flint sphinx Apr 8, 2026, 3:55 AM

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some purple ASA-CF, it is my new favorite filament

strange rose Apr 8, 2026, 6:36 AM

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clean

flint sphinx Apr 8, 2026, 6:39 AM

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And all of that is with no part cooling fan

worldly bane Apr 8, 2026, 5:57 PM

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flint sphinx It looks so good

damn didnt even know u got an idex22 thats clean, hows its vfa profile? wondering because it seems to use the same movement mechanics as the q1/p1s etc

flint sphinx Apr 11, 2026, 1:48 PM

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The calibration for toolheads is taking a lot longer than expected vaulthah

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The positions I had were way out of whack

stone vault Apr 11, 2026, 1:50 PM

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flint sphinx The positions I had were way out of whack

Initial offsets I just eyeballed using a piece of paper with a dot on it

flint sphinx Apr 11, 2026, 1:51 PM

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Yeah I did the same but I think I went in the wrong direction at one point and made it worse and then fixed it ish

flint sphinx Apr 11, 2026, 7:24 PM

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XY is done but Z needs a bit of calibration, going to use a bit of percussive maintenance to do it lol

flint sphinx Apr 11, 2026, 8:52 PM

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I percussive maintenanced too hard and now the left tool is a bit lower than the right one

flint sphinx Apr 12, 2026, 3:58 PM

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I fixed the tool issue but I have an issue while changing tools where it doesn't wait for M116 to heat the selected tool up it just goes back to the resume position and then heats up, I posted on the discord and forums so I'll see if we are able to find the issue

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Also posted the config to a github page https://github.com/Toaster0042/22idex_config

GitHub

GitHub - Toaster0042/22idex_config: RRF config for my 22idex V0

RRF config for my 22idex V0. Contribute to Toaster0042/22idex_config development by creating an account on GitHub.

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Tool changes are also really long rn because tools need to heat up in the tool change, I'll dig around to see if there is a way to do pre heating

flint sphinx Apr 12, 2026, 7:38 PM

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and it is fixed...

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the issue was on the slicer not the firmware...

crimson sluice Apr 13, 2026, 8:20 AM

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Orca has a preheat feature but it used to be broken and used a deprecated command for that

tacit vine Apr 13, 2026, 6:08 PM

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@flint sphinx you could probably try the second gcode stream to interleave the pre-heating. But that would probably require a post processor

flint sphinx Apr 13, 2026, 6:09 PM

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tacit vine <@282176192252215299> you could probably try the second gcode stream to interlea...

Is that 3.7+ only or is that already in 3.6.2?

tacit vine Apr 13, 2026, 6:10 PM

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that's already in 3.6

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https://docs.duet3d.com/en/User_manual/RepRapFirmware/Multiple_motion_systems

Duet3D Documentation

Multiple motion systems

This page documents the support for multiple motion systems provided in RepRapFirmware 3.5 on Duet 3 boards.

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oh

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you have Duet2 boards. So no can do

crimson sluice Apr 13, 2026, 6:11 PM

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hmm might try that out on my idex

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not sure if it will work well as its on a mini5+

flint sphinx Apr 13, 2026, 6:13 PM

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Pain

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I can't afford to put some duet 3's on all machines lol

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And mellow boards are not allowed in my house

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I need to learn to make pcb's

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Could MPU's work with RRF?

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Could have some really good controllers if we can use MPU's I think

tacit vine Apr 13, 2026, 9:58 PM

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What do you mean with MPU?

#Glizzy got an other industrial printer