#Nozzle is printing strands - tried to unclog but no luck

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nimble slate
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i tried changing out the filament
needling the nozzle
pulling the bowden tube, putting filament in while hot, letting it get cold, then yanking it back out
but still have thes same issue
any advice on what to try next?

orchid boughBOT
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AI Help

It sounds like you have tried several common troubleshooting steps already. If you are still experiencing issues with your 3D printer, you may want to check for clogs in the hotend or extruder, ensure that the filament is feeding smoothly, and confirm that the nozzle is at the correct temperature for the filament being used. You may also want to double-check your slicer settings and make sure they are optimized for your specific printer and filament. If the issue persists, you may need to further investigate the hotend assembly or consider replacing any worn components.

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nimble slate
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Still looking for help - thx!

nimble slate
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Bump

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nimble slate
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Bampp

lofty juniper
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When you yanked it out cold did the filament come out nozzle shaped, small cone on the end, or did it stretch, if it stretched try colder

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@nimble slate

nimble slate
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sorry when you mean colder what you mean

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i yanked it out just regular shaped

lofty juniper
nimble slate
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@lofty juniper kk yeah I’ll try again tm. I was thinking about replacing the nozzle too do you think that can help

lofty juniper
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yea its probably fix it, try more pulls first tho, if you do replace make sure to tighten nozel hot

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nimble slate
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@untold belfry

untold belfry
lofty juniper
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i guess extruding in air to look for the wigglies

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nimble slate
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is it just a question of cleaning the nozzle? @untold belfry

untold belfry
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You don't have a bed leveling probe on this monoprice I assume?

nimble slate
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i do

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i think ive trammed it kinda ok at this point

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i did the paper test on all 4 corners

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then followed it up with the bed leveling probe

untold belfry
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Ah perfect, do you have M420 S1 or G29 in your slicer start gcode?

nimble slate
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you kn ow what let me slice one of those STL files that makes the rectangles across the bed

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and ill do M420 S1 and G29 in the slicer start if you think i should

untold belfry
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Just look in your slicer 🤷

nimble slate
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opening it up now let me check

untold belfry
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And post it here

nimble slate
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G90;
G28 ;Home
G1 Z15.0 F6000 ;Move the platform down 15mm
;Prime the extruder
G92 E0
G1 F200 E3
G92 E0

untold belfry
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if thats all, you don't have bed meshing enabled

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M420 S1

orchid boughBOT
nimble slate
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just add it as M420 S1; ?

untold belfry
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You either add M420 S1 after G28 to load the last created mesh or G29 to create a mesh before every print

nimble slate
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do you have a preference?

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so its either M420 S1 or G29? dont need both right?

untold belfry
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You also need to calibrate your probe z offset

untold belfry
nimble slate
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sorry when you say "create mesh"

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does that mean go through the process of auto leveling each time?

untold belfry
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Yea

nimble slate
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i dont mind going thru the auto bed leveling process each time if it will help with a good print

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i rather it print slower with a better print than fast and shitty print lol

untold belfry
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so add G29 after G28.

nimble slate
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ok so now it looks like this

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G90;
G28 ;Home
G29; Auto bed leveling
G1 Z15.0 F6000 ;Move the platform down 15mm
;Prime the extruder
G92 E0
G1 F200 E3
G92 E0

untold belfry
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Looks good

nimble slate
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ok let me find an STL file for the rectangle thing

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and ill slice it and give it a shot

untold belfry
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You don't have dedicated heating commands in there so it heats up everything at the start, thats where your oozing is coming from

nimble slate
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so youre saying the nozzle problem I just live with it?

orchid boughBOT
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Tips for better first layer success

The first layer is quite literally the foundation of a successful print. These are some of the things to keep in mind:

  • Wash your print surface with dish soap and water, refer to ?bedcleaning .
  • Ensure your printing temperatures are appropriate. For PLA, the ideal bed temperature is 55°C-60°C. If the lines appear to come out "gummy" and forms clumps, raising the nozzle temperature may help. Calibrate your nozzle temperature by printing a temperature tower. Refer also to ?platemps .
  • Relevel your bed and ensure your nozzle distance is equally spaced at each corner, refer to ?paperlevel . If your printer is equipped with a bed meshing probe such as a BLTouch or CRTouch, make sure your Z-offset positions the nozzle close enough to the bed, refer to ?z-offset for additional information. If your printer has automatic Z-offset calibration, make sure the nozzle is clean while the calibration runs.
  • You can confirm that your leveling and Z-offset is correct by observing your first layer extrusion by printing a full layer test: Printables, Thingiverse Refer to ?leveling for help with the interpretation of the results.
  • Ensure the nozzle is not colliding with the print. This usually presents itself as loud noises and layer shifting. Some causes may include overextrusion, insufficient cooling, mechanical Z axis issues, or insufficient Z hop
  • For warp-prone materials such as ABS, Nylon, Polypropylene and others an enclosure is recommended, ensure ambient temperatures are high enough (40°C+) and stable. Consider using a specialized bed adhesive.
untold belfry
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Theres links in here

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You can also just add a rectangle in the slicer and scale it to size

nimble slate
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kk thanks

untold belfry
nimble slate
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Cura 5.9

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never tried anything else tbh

untold belfry
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Let me look it up how to optimize your start gcode

nimble slate
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if thers something better i can switch

untold belfry
# nimble slate if thers something better i can switch
G92 E0 ; Reset Extruder
M140 S{material_bed_temperature_layer_0}
M190 S{material_bed_temperature_layer_0}
G29 ; Create Bed Mesh
M109 S{material_print_temperature_layer_0} ; Wait for extruder to get up to temperature
G1 Z2.0 F3000 ; Move Z Axis up little to prevent scratching of Heat Bed
G1 X0.1 Y20 Z0.3 F5000.0 ; Move to start position
G1 X0.1 Y200.0 Z0.3 F1500.0 E15 ; Draw the first purge line
G1 X0.4 Y200.0 Z0.3 F5000.0 ; Move to side a little
G1 X0.4 Y20 Z0.3 F1500.0 E30 ; Draw the second purge line
G92 E0 ; Reset Extruder
G1 Z2.0 F3000 ; Move Z Axis up little to prevent scratching of Heat Bed
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Replace your start gcode with this

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It will prime the nozzle on the left side of the bed

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If you run that for the first time, be present with your finger on the power button in case I fucked it up

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Make sure everything has its own line

nimble slate
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kk

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im excited man

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if we get this working

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i owe you a beer

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🙂

untold belfry
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Its probably fine like its posted but I am on mobile and that might fluff up the formatting

untold belfry
nimble slate
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haha

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a non -alcoholic then

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let me try this out then i will ping you if thats ok

untold belfry
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Your bed is 200 mm right?

nimble slate
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300

untold belfry
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Good

nimble slate
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300mm x 300mm x 400mm

untold belfry
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Because the code draws the purgeline up to 200 and that would confuse the machine greatly if it only has 180 or sovaulthah

nimble slate
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haha kk makes sense

untold belfry
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Oh and add a G90 as the first line

orchid boughBOT
nimble slate
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Understood will do

untold belfry
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wait I see an error

nimble slate
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this is what i have now

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G90; Absolute positioning
G28 ; Home all axes
G92 E0 ; Reset Extruder
M140 S{material_bed_temperature_layer_0}
M190 S{material_bed_temperature_layer_0}
G29 ; Create Bed Mesh
M109 S{material_print_temperature_layer_0} ; Wait for extruder to get up to temperature
G1 Z2.0 F3000 ; Move Z Axis up little to prevent scratching of Heat Bed
G1 X0.1 Y20 Z0.3 F5000.0 ; Move to start position
G1 X0.1 Y200.0 Z0.3 F1500.0 E15 ; Draw the first purge line
G1 X0.4 Y200.0 Z0.3 F5000.0 ; Move to side a little
G1 X0.4 Y20 Z0.3 F1500.0 E30 ; Draw the second purge line
G92 E0 ; Reset Extruder
G1 Z2.0 F3000 ; Move Z Axis up little to prevent scratching of Heat Bed

untold belfry
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Nope false alarm

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Good

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Can you give me the end gcode while we are at it?

nimble slate
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M104 S0
M140 S0
;Retract the filament
G92 E1
G1 E-1 F300
G28 X0 Y0
M84

untold belfry
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I personally would retract a tiny bit more so G1 E-3 F300

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and the homing is a bit weirdvaulthah

nimble slate
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i get the settings online from someone who uses an MP10 so nothing i setup because im not sure what it is lol

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if you have any suggestions happy to apply them!

untold belfry
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M140 S0 ;turn off nozzle
G92 E1
G1 E-1 F300 ;Retract the filament
G1 X0 Y300
M84 ;turn off motors```
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Ah

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Too early

nimble slate
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so just switch it to G1 E-3 F300 right?

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instead of G1 E-1 F300

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do I have to update G92 E3 or leave it as G92 E1?

untold belfry
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~~M104 S0 ;turn off bed M140 S0 ;turn off nozzle G92 E1 G1 E-3 F300 ;Retract the filament G91 ;relative positioning G0 Z1 ;raise nozzle a bit G90 ;absolute positioning G1 X0 Y300 ;park toolhead too the left and present buildplate for part removal M84 ;turn off motors ~~

untold belfry
orchid boughBOT
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untold belfry
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Oh set position

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M140 S0 ;turn off nozzle
M83
G1 E-3 F300 ;Retract the filament
G91 ;relative positioning
G0 Z1 ;raise nozzle a bit
G90 ;absolute positioning
G1 X0 Y300 ;park toolhead to the left and present buildplate for part removal
M84 ;turn off motors```
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Final version

nimble slate
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awesome thx

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so how different should this be for an ender 3 pro for example?

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the start/end code? I'm assuming fairly different right

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once we get this fucker running i will need to double check with you if i did that one right lol

untold belfry
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Basically the samevaulthah

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Almost all printers operate on the same principles and a few "languages"

nimble slate
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ok let me go test ill brb

untold belfry
nimble slate
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Kk yeah it’s here just watching it heat up first

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Hmm

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So it started printing outside for some reason

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@untold belfry

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Maybe I messed something up idk

untold belfry
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Ah yeah that can happen if your home position is outside of the buildplate

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Nope fine, we can fix that easily

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Does your printer menu have something that reads like "set home offsets" or so?

nimble slate
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Let me check

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No it does not

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Just bed level correction

untold belfry
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Okay so the tedious wayvaulthah

nimble slate
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Shitty old monoprice lol

untold belfry
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measure with a ruler how far the nozzle is from the front left edge of the bed when its at X0 Y0

nimble slate
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Kk one sec

untold belfry
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We only need X and Y, we are going to tell the printer where the bed is in the start gcode

nimble slate
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A damn how do I know when it’s at 0,0

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It doesn’t give you the coordinates when you move it

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Just has arrows to move

untold belfry
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just home it

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Should display that on the homescreen

nimble slate
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Ok it’s homing

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This is home

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Is this considered 0,0?

untold belfry
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Does it move back a bit after hitting the endstop?

nimble slate
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Yeah

untold belfry
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Because it definitely can move further than thatvaulthah

nimble slate
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Bumps up slightly

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Move in which direction

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Here I’ll make a video when I press home

untold belfry
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No need, just move it left until it goes no further

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And the bed back

nimble slate
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Weird it bumped the side a little lol

untold belfry
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Aka until it clicks

nimble slate
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So left and ask the way back

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All

untold belfry
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Man this poor probe

nimble slate
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This is when the stepper switch is engaged

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But it’s off the bed

untold belfry
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Yes thats known we will fix that

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How much off?

nimble slate
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And now all the way back?

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Let me check

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Maybe like 6.35 mm off on left

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Then it would be on bed

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Now I go back until Y engages?

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This one seems ok

untold belfry
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We need two distances, X (left/right axis) and Y (back/forth axis)

nimble slate
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If it came in 6.35 mm from the left

untold belfry
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Eh we will give it a bitvaulthah just to be safe

nimble slate
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It would still be on the bed

untold belfry
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Try it

nimble slate
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Sorry try what

untold belfry
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drive the nozzle to the right, see if its on the bed

nimble slate
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It is

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Barely but it is

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Prob wouldn’t hurt to push it in a few mm

untold belfry
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Good

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Add M206 X10 Y5 directly after G28 in the start gcode

nimble slate
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Kk

untold belfry
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We can also fix your poor probe being run into the bed by homing before a print

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If you want

nimble slate
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Oh for sure

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Didn’t think we could lol

untold belfry
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Because that video hurt

nimble slate
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Not as much as it hurt the probe

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🙂 lol

untold belfry
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Okay we are going to edit the G28 line

nimble slate
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Understood

untold belfry
# nimble slate Understood
G28 Z ; home Z
G0 Z10 ; move Z up to not crash the probe
G28 X Y ; home X and Y
M206 X10 X5 ; set home offsets
G92 E0 ; Reset Extruder
M140 S{material_bed_temperature_layer_0}
M190 S{material_bed_temperature_layer_0}
G29 ; Create Bed Mesh
M109 S{material_print_temperature_layer_0} ; Wait for extruder to get up to temperature
G1 Z2.0 F3000 ; Move Z Axis up little to prevent scratching of Heat Bed
G1 X0.1 Y20 Z0.3 F5000.0 ; Move to start position
G1 X0.1 Y200.0 Z0.3 F1500.0 E15 ; Draw the first purge line
G1 X0.4 Y200.0 Z0.3 F5000.0 ; Move to side a little
G1 X0.4 Y20 Z0.3 F1500.0 E30 ; Draw the second purge line
G92 E0 ; Reset Extruder
G1 Z2.0 F3000 ; Move Z Axis up little to prevent scratching of Heat Bed
``` this should (hopefully) work
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Just avoid pushing home on the printer

nimble slate
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kk

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tghis is so awesome

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i cant wait to learn more aobut this stuff

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let me slice it and check it out

untold belfry
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Because we can't change that unless you want to make changes to the firmware

nimble slate
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ok time to try again

untold belfry
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I am on my way home so I might not respond so quickly.

nimble slate
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No worries man thx again for your help I’ll let you know how it goes

untold belfry
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After all this, you might need to tune your z offset if its starting to print too high up

orchid boughBOT
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Z-offset

Where your printer thinks the nozzle is

The z-offset is the distance from the tip of the nozzle to the trigger point of a bed sensor.

Setting your z-offset correctly ensures a good first layer squish and proper adhesion to the build plate (assuming its clean, see
?bedcleaning for more information). See
?leveling for a good representation of how the first layer should look like.
If in doubt: Refer to you your specific machines documentation.

For the Qidi X series printers: Adjusting the z offset from the Fluidd webinterface breaks it. Always set the z offset from the printers screen.

https://www.wevolver.com/article/z-offset-what-it-is-and-how-to-adjust-it

nimble slate
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Ok so now it’s printing in the air

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Ah kk

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Hmm but this might be a problem I can only go down 4mm with Z offset

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And this thing is up high

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Should I lower the height in the slicer first

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Then z offset it

nimble slate
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@untold belfry lmk what youd suggest

untold belfry
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Rest works?

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I guess you have no filament loaded?

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How high does it start?

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4 mm should ne plenty usually. Can you move the probe mount up/down?

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Oh and I spotted an error in the start gcode🙈
It should be M206 X20 Y5

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Not X5

nimble slate
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There is filament loaded

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It just jumbled up

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Didn’t come out straight

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OK I’ll update it and record it with a video @untold belfry

nimble slate
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I tried lowering with z offset but it’s not working. Is there something in the start code we can put in to lower it back down?

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Was it supposed to go around the bed and level itself first?

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Because it just went there and started the print

untold belfry
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Huh?

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Thats...curious to say the least

nimble slate
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Sorry which part

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That it doesn’t go around and level first?

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Or the whole thing lol vaulthah

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Well I’m assuming this has something to do with the start g code right?

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Since it wasn’t doing that before and we changed something, so is it possible to remove the Z axis component there and maybe it will go lower?

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Or is there a way to leave the Z blank and tell it to use auto bed level sensor and input that value in

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Like idk set Z = missing

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Run auto bed level and store coordinates for X1 Y1 and Z1

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Set Z = to Z1

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@untold belfry

untold belfry
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If you check your video (from before) it homes z with the probe, doesn't it?

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Did you add the probe or did it come with it?

nimble slate
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I’m not sure if it homes the last two times I printed

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Probe and everything else is stock to the printer

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No hardware or software mods ever

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I’m pretty sure it didn’t home this time though

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I think it just went straight to start printing

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I feel like we were pretty close when it was just missing the X axis by a few millimeters

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Can we just tell it to go in by X=10mm and not change anything else or does it not work like that @untold belfry

untold belfry
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#1324457398189953107 message this with the M206 X10 Y5 added

nimble slate
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Kk so to add the M206 line?

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Kk

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And this should make it auto level first right?

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Or simply go into the print

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nimble slate
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Hey sorry for the delay! @untold belfry

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So I tried the print it’s starting and looking better but it doesn’t create the mesh across the bed before it prints

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It’s starting to print but not sticking well or something idk

untold belfry
nimble slate
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Idk I can try

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What would I be looking for to see if I can

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It has a micro usb port

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How would I know if it’s connected correctly

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To the PC

untold belfry
# nimble slate To the PC

You get the "Pronterface" software which gives you a terminal to send gcode and see the printers answers, basically

orchid boughBOT
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Why you should put tape on your USB cable

Your device might try to feed power to your printers motherboard, causing all sorts of problems from loss of connection to a destroyed board. Putting tape on the 5V pin of the cable can be an easy solution.

OctoPrint Community Post

untold belfry
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Consider doing this to the usb cable, no clue if your board is protected from backfeeding power into it

nimble slate
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Oh I used to have octoprint running it for a year back in the day

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So I think we’re just going to send it lol

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Ok so download pronterface ?

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Ok I downloaded it, lmk what you think I should send to it

orchid boughBOT
untold belfry
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And paste the output here

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And what happens if you send G92 on its own

nimble slate
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kk

nimble slate
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OK so I can’t get printer face to connect

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Should I just set up an octopi and connect like that?

nimble slate
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@untold belfry

untold belfry
nimble slate
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I think octopi does that let’s see I’ll check in when I can. Thx so much for your help!

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nimble slate
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does this make sensE?

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Recv: echo: G21 ; Units in mm
Recv:
Recv: echo:Filament settings: Disabled
Recv: echo: M200 D1.75
Recv: echo: M200 D0
Recv: echo:Steps per unit:
Recv: echo: M92 X94.20 Y94.20 Z800.00 E97.00
Recv: echo:Maximum feedrates (units/s):
Recv: echo: M203 X300.00 Y300.00 Z6.00 E25.00
Recv: echo:Maximum Acceleration (units/s2):
Recv: echo: M201 X1000 Y1000 Z100 E10000
Recv: echo:Acceleration (units/s2): P<print_accel> R<retract_accel> T<travel_accel>
Recv: echo: M204 P1000.00 R1000.00 T1000.00
Recv: echo:Advanced: S<min_feedrate> T<min_travel_feedrate> B<min_segment_time_us> X<max_xy_jerk> Z<max_z_jerk> E<max_e_jerk>
Recv: echo: M205 S0.00 T0.00 B20000 X10.00 Y10.00 Z0.30 E5.00
Recv: echo:Home offset:
Recv: echo: M206 X10.00 Y5.00 Z0.00
Recv: echo:Unified Bed Leveling:
Recv: echo: M420 S1 Z5.00
Recv:
Recv: Unified Bed Leveling System v1.01 active.
Recv:
Recv: Active Mesh Slot: 0
Recv: EEPROM can hold 1 meshes.
Recv:
Recv: echo:PID settings:
Recv: echo: M301 P20.00 I0.02 D250.00
Recv: echo: M304 P231.09 I45.21 D295.34
Recv: M562 Report:
Recv: XYZAB
Recv: +--+-
Recv: echo:Z-Probe Offset (mm):
Recv: echo: M851 Z-0.66
Recv: echo:Stepper motor currents:
Recv: echo: M907 X850 Z850 E800
Recv: echo:Filament load/unload lengths:
Recv: echo: M603 L0.00 U100.00
Recv: ok N6 P7 B5

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@untold belfry

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i sent M503

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and this is what it said it received

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Send: N6 M503*35

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G92 got me this:

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Send: N7 G92*21
Recv: X:20.00 Y:10.00 Z:0.00 E:0.00 Count X:942 Y:471 Z:-481
Recv: ok N7 P7 B5
Recv: T:24.19 /0.00 B:23.94 /0.00 @:0 B@:0

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untold belfry
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You can delete the G92 from your start gcode and its best to follow the setup on the marlin site

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nimble slate
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Kk so just remove the G92? And are you saying I should follow what’s under Setup and Initial Probing?

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Are these issues probably due to bed not being level?

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@untold belfry thx again

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