#(Ender 3 Pro) Issues while printing PETG

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agile palm
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Trying my hand at printing PETG (only did PLA so far) and I've come across a few hiccups. Well, first of all I got the thermal runaway error but I figure it was due to lacking the silicone cap (that someone in my family took from my table for some unfathomable reason and then lost) but once I solved that bit I had the second issue of my print suddenly failing at the end and getting a "power outage" error... but there was no power outage that I could see? And when I tried to resume the print I just got the same mistake over and over.

Also, I've been told I should keep the nozzle a little further from the bed when compared to PLA. Do I just use the offset or what? And how much?

severe oysterBOT
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AI Help

It sounds like you've encountered a couple of issues while trying to print with PETG. The thermal runaway error could indeed be related to the missing silicone cap, which helps maintain consistent temperatures. As for the power outage error, it's possible that your printer may have experienced a temporary electrical issue even if there wasn't a noticeable outage.

In terms of nozzle-to-bed distance for PETG, you generally want to have a slightly larger gap compared to PLA. This can help prevent the filament from adhering too strongly to the bed. You can adjust this by manually adjusting the leveling knobs to increase the distance between the nozzle and the bed. A good starting point is around 0.1-0.2mm higher than your usual PLA settings.

Regarding resuming the print, it's common to have difficulties if the power was interrupted mid-print. Sometimes it's best to restart the print from the beginning to ensure successful layer adhesion and overall print quality.

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severe oysterBOT
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PTFE Temperatures
TL;DR: Do not heat PTFE above 230C for long periods of time, and never above 260C.

Polytetrafluoroethylene, a.k.a. PTFE, a.k.a. Teflon, is a polymer renowned for its extremely low coefficient of friction. It is used in many industrial and domestic applications, most famously in non-stick pans. Relevant to us, PTFE is used as Bowden tubing and heatbreak liners in 3D printers for ease of filament transport. This places the polymer in close contact with areas where high temperatures are routinely encountered.

PTFE will begin to pyrolyze at 220 degrees centigrade. It will begin off-gassing at significant amounts at 240. At 260, this process will have accelerated to the point where the structural integrity of your tubing will have been compromised. Most contemporary citations focus not on the physical decomposition of PTFE but on the health effects of byproducts used in its manufacture. However one major health risk is directly attributable to PTFE pyrolysis: Polymer fume fever.

Polymer fume fever, or colloquially "Teflon flu", is a condition caused by overexposure to fumes (over the course of 4-8 hours) caused by the decomposition of PTFE. The advanced respiratory metabolism of birds make them particularly sensitive to polymer fumes, which leaves them at high risk of death in environments where such fumes are prevalent. Further reading is linked below.

Further reading

keen isle
agile palm
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Nope

agile palm
keen isle
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See above why

severe oysterBOT
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Capricorn
Capricorn lists melting temps, not degradation temps when advertising their PTFE tubing.

Capricorn tubes have a unique selling point in that their quality control ensures accurate inner and outer diameters of extrusion. This is in contrast to generic manufacturers who may not have as stringent a requirement for manufacturing.

A 1.9mm ID (inner diameter) has been shown to help in reducing hysteresis when extruding flexible filaments in a Bowden setup but in other setups, i.e. filament with a higher variance in diameter, this can actually become detrimental. Use best judgement when deciding what form or brand of PTFE to use in your printer.

Capricorn tubing is relatively high quality for its price point, but there is insufficient independent evidence to show that it has more thermal resistance to pyrolysis than "generic" PTFE tubing. One difficulty in testing is that due to the colorants in the PTFE resin, the distinctive "browning" of degradation or pyrolysis is much harder to detect. Another point of concern is to do with Capricorn's line of translucent "TL" PTFE. Though the exact composition of their resin remains proprietary, the nature of PTFE and related fluoropolymers speculatively suggests the addition of PFA or FEP (which are optically transparent) into the mix. The issue with this is that both PFA and FEP have lower working temperatures than PTFE. PFA is rated to a similar ceiling of 260 C but has a higher thermal conductivity whereas FEP undergoes degradation at temperatures as low as 200 C. Unfortunately without further evidence, this must remain speculative.

agile palm
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Yeah yeah, teflon poisoning, kills birds I know the drill.

keen isle
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👍

agile palm
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I don't plan on printing a ton of PETG anyway

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But I like being able to

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It's also a pretty well ventilated area

keen isle
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your choice really🤷

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agile palm
toxic kite
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Cant you get it from aliexpress?

agile palm
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To put things in context, something like an Ender 3 Pro is right now at like 400usd

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It's fucking hilarious

toxic kite
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Oh wait, the us?

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My condolences

agile palm
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All of that after some stupidly high tax

agile palm
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Americans believing they are in some shithole country are always hilarious

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I'm from an actual 3rd world dumpster

toxic kite
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Well im not in the US and i believe america is not that great 🙂

agile palm
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I also did some research on a Prusa, the MK3S is like 1700usd here

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"steal" just doesn't cut it anymore