(K3)tamine

[cursive meadow]

they might not take thermal cycling that well in the long run

and eventually get loose

[cursive meadow]

doesnt mean it will last for a while

possible its fine, but there is a chance it might not

[vague nacelle]

it now went to PayPal. still no answer from the guy

[summer wind]

That looks amazing what brand of Asa?

[vague nacelle]

Cr3d

[summer wind]

Geez expensive

[vague nacelle]

You pay for quality

You can also get overture on Amazon, it's also 30€

[cursive meadow]

its not bad, ive used 3dxtech CF ASA for the entire printer and ordered like 3 spools

[night brook]

I thought talking about cost of the K3 was forbidden

[cursive meadow]

i just dont think about it, i know its way over budged and i will cry in the corner if i would calculate how much it actually costed me

[vague nacelle]

Printin

[night brook]

https://tenor.com/view/everything-gif-18150693

[vague nacelle]

Making panels

[night brook]

I need to get panels...and figure out the top enclosure.

[torpid current]

Bit sad I couldn't get you the steel panels

That'd be sick

[vague nacelle]

Yeah

[torpid current]

Maybe later?

[vague nacelle]

Deff lol

Making dibond rn cuz it's free, wanted to upgrade to steel when I get the budget

So I'll wait 👀

[torpid current]

How much is a steel frame if u gotta buy it somewhere

[vague nacelle]

Galv would be 180 for everything

[torpid current]

Unpainted ig

[vague nacelle]

Yeah

[torpid current]

and 3mm?

[vague nacelle]

And 3mm

[torpid current]

Not even that bad

[vague nacelle]

Also 1 month waiting time

Cuz I'm not paying 150€ more to have it within a week lol

[torpid current]

Its not "that expensive" but it's more then double what my boss asked xd

[vague nacelle]

@naive lynx do you have a dxf for the braces for the rails?

[naive lynx]

https://github.com/MathematicalPotato/DooKi3-Toolhead/blob/main/DXFs/MP_DooKi3_XY_Backer.dxf

Two of these

The holes are slightly undersized so you can tap them

[vague nacelle]

Steel I assume?

1.5mm or 2?

Or alu

[cursive meadow]

ideally the same stainless steel alloy as the rails

[naive lynx]

mine are 3mm mild steel from sendcutsend

[river shard]

That used X-plus treating you well?

[naive lynx]

but yes, ideally same alloy as the rails

[vague nacelle]

Used?

[river shard]

I assumed that you bought it used since I had sent you the details on how to buy one used from Qidi a few weeks back

You had asked me since I mentioned it in general chat so didn’t know if you ended up doing it or not

[vague nacelle]

ahh, nah i bought it new ^^

[night brook]

Tried that too, they told me theres no used machines in the warehouse for Germany😭. Or do you have a different method than asking Leily?😁

[river shard]

I remember their stock in Europe is few to none unfortunately. Only buddies I have that have managed to get them are in US since they didn’t have stock in Europe. It may be a situation with Amazon that maybe Amazon in Europe doesn’t carry them, cause mine was shipped from an Amazon facility in my state.

Maybe something like that but it’s anybody’s guess

I’d say you could try a forwarding company if it would still be financially worthwhile to buy one in US and have it shipped to you from a international forwarder

[night brook]

I am set for now with my project but it would probably be cheaper new still

[river shard]

Wish I could afford to build a printer

[night brook]

Know another person who got a xplus3 for 200€

[river shard]

Yeah my Max was $300

Not even a shipping charge

[night brook]

yes they told me that they had this option

the 300€ max

[river shard]

Buddy got a free x-plus cause they told him it was closed box but the box got damaged. It was $260 instead of the $200 for used but arrived with a broken power plug and the screen was knocked out of place so they sent him a used X-max for free

[night brook]

😅

[river shard]

So he got a x-max for effectively $60

[torpid current]

Sick!

[vague nacelle]

Right

[summer wind]

no what happened?

[vague nacelle]

The failed print made the front jump off xD

But it's only the 2 things that failed

[torpid current]

Oh i thought it all failed

Its like one giant cobweb xd

[vague nacelle]

Nahh

[summer wind]

ah glad its not all ruined

[vague nacelle]

XD that's the PC to blame, it's really viscous

But that's only stringing

[wary salmon]

full plate of pcgf parts?

thats ambitious

[vague nacelle]

It worked tho

[vague nacelle]

4/7 done

[cursive meadow]

thats why you where told by a few people to not do that

[vague nacelle]

It's like 2 parts

It's alright lol

[cursive meadow]

you just got lucky, if the parts would have disloged and collected other prints you would be in the situation where you have to figure out how to clean PC of a block

[vague nacelle]

Yeah true ig

[vague nacelle]

Better pic

@wary salmon how's ur build going, or are you busy that the vcore?

[wary salmon]

Let's just say I'm waiting for something before I continue printing parts

[vague nacelle]

Lol

What are you waiting on

[wary salmon]

Something coming very soon

[vague nacelle]

Bed?

[wary salmon]

Can't say

They are watching...

[cobalt finch]

What fans r u gonna use to cool those drivers

[vague nacelle]

sunons 4020

[cobalt finch]

Ah

Sauce me that fan thing

I might swap my 120mm with that

[vague nacelle]

https://www.printables.com/model/862859-btt-octopus-pro-fancase

[cursive meadow]

what stepper drivers are you running that need this large fans?

[summer wind]

Is it from ratrig themselves?

[cobalt finch]

Will it work with a octopus v1.1?

[wary salmon]

?

[summer wind]

Oh you weren’t talking about your vcore with that

Something that you can’t say

[wary salmon]

Vcore4 is out now, I can say whatever I want about it (and I always could, I wasn't in any beta or anything)

[summer wind]

But that other printer is a k3 that you’re building?

[wary salmon]

I am building a k3 yes

[summer wind]

Cool very expensive but sick

[wary salmon]

Yep, very expensive lol
Hopefully worth it

[vague nacelle]

5160 and 2209

[cursive meadow]

from what manufacturer?

[vague nacelle]

btt

[cursive meadow]

the watterotte 2209 are fine passively
the 5160 dont even need a heatsink, just some airflow

yea sounds like BTT

[wary salmon]

Oh interesting, no heatsink on watterotte 5160?

[cursive meadow]

yea

they also say that on the shop page

like the format doesnt allow for enough power to be drawn to generate enough heat to be a issue.
the overall design is not bad and quite efficent

the drivers are limited by the pinheaders in powerdraw

[naive lynx]

I have an Arctic P8 wafting a light breeze over the drivers

The Watterotts have no issue

Even when I was running 48V

[wary salmon]

No heatsink?

[naive lynx]

No heatsink

[night brook]

Speaking of heatsinks. The ssr's wont need one mounted to the din-rail I assume?

[naive lynx]

We should use heatsinks

But we don’t and use massively overrated SSRs

So it ends up being fine

[vague nacelle]

yeah 40a ones

lol

[night brook]

Well thats a solution too🤷

[wary salmon]

oh shit, 2504 longbois are a thing now

https://lukeslabonline.com/collections/ldo-2504-motors/products/magnumboi-ldo-nema-17-motor-high-temp-ldo-42sth48-2504ahs80

might have to get a set of those when i next order a chube

[chrome bridge]

The watterotts definitely need a heatsink

They overheat at 48v extremely quickly

Even with only heatsinks

[wary salmon]

i mean i have 2 people saying otherwise so im going with that

[chrome bridge]

2.4A rms

[chrome bridge]

Aight then

[wary salmon]

also i wont be running 2.4A on 2004s

[chrome bridge]

Yeah 2A i still reccomend heatsinking

The ldos on internal packages are known to fail from heat cycling

Its kinda the whole schtick with stepsticks being bad

They dont share ground with the board (no big thermal mass for heatsinking) so they thermal cycle and go crack

Esp 5160HV is already against trinamic’s spec

[cursive meadow]

They dont, ran mine at 2.4A with no heatsink

No overheating issues, when there is some airflow

[chrome bridge]

Mine did

With heatsinks too

[cobalt finch]

i want to come over htere and snatch that from you

looks amazing

[river shard]

https://tenor.com/view/hardy-tom-venom-thats-hot-gif-18598334

[river shard]

Get a lighter on that though and clean up them strings lol

[vague nacelle]

yeah lol

Started to wire the breakout board

[cobalt finch]

what toolboard r u using

[vague nacelle]

K3rabiner

[vague nacelle]

Will be building the toolhead and Z tomorrow

Will be fun

[vague nacelle]

Homemade USB c lol

[vague nacelle]

Ugh

Don't have long enough m2.5

[cobalt finch]

Why's it do crusty

[torpid current]

Fuzzy skin

[vague nacelle]

Its PC, normal with that

[summer wind]

Is that really normal for pc huh didnt know

[vague nacelle]

Yeah it's shiny af and you can see everything

[frosty moon]

CnC Sherpa micro tho

[cobalt finch]

where r the files for itt

[frosty moon]

Mellow makes a CNC Sherpa micro

If that says anything 😂

[cobalt finch]

i wanna make it myself

lol

its cheaper

[summer wind]

You sure its already very cheap

50 usd with all gears and everything

[cobalt finch]

i can get a gearset for ~15, motor for another 10, and cncing and materials for free

CAD btw

[frosty moon]

Ya sure you have the tooling to make such small parts?

[cobalt finch]

yeah

our tormach has tiny bits and a few of our mentors work at cnc-related workspaces

plus we have toolchanger and like a shitton of drillbits and endmills

[frosty moon]

Nice, no need to spend on tooling

Usually tooling is very expensive

[cobalt finch]

yeah

im getting my xy joints cnced next year

as well as motor mounts

me and a mentor r gonna work on redesigning it

[summer wind]

are you planning on carbon filtration in the k3 or is that intended in the design?

ah just googled and its called rebreather if thats correct, basically nevermore but a little bit redesigned

[vague nacelle]

Yeah putting in a Rebreather XL into it

[cursive meadow]

I disagree

Doesnt have to look like that bad and droopy

[vague nacelle]

That's GF

I have PC without anything

[cursive meadow]

Even that doesnt have to look droopy

[summer wind]

Xl? On githuv or not

[cursive meadow]

Its in the annex usermods repo

Uses different fans than the normal rebreather and is a bit larger

[naive lynx]

Beacon looks potentially too high up

[wary salmon]

also shouldnt be using shcs screws for it

[naive lynx]

I'm guessing the toolhead was for Dragon UHF without extender?

If so, that means the part cooling ducts are also too high

[vague nacelle]

Oh is it?

[naive lynx]

Oh actually looking at it again, I think you're missing the printed Beacon spacer

[vague nacelle]

Yeah

[naive lynx]

Yeah that needs to be there to position the Beacon correctly

[vague nacelle]

How does it mount?

[wary salmon]

use different screws too

[naive lynx]

And use the low profile screws that came with Beacon

[vague nacelle]

Ahh yeah true

[naive lynx]

It slides between the two PCBs

[vague nacelle]

I don't have any bhcs long enough

[naive lynx]

What about the ones that came with Beacon?

SHCS is too big

[vague nacelle]

Which ones should I get

[vague nacelle]

This?

[naive lynx]

Yeah that profile

[vague nacelle]

Will order em

How is the standard called?

[naive lynx]

Ultra low profile I believe

[vague nacelle]

Bhcs also work apparently

[night brook]

Can you point me to where you bought the ssr? I would search for it if discord would let me😅

[vague nacelle]

Cr3d.de

[vague nacelle]

Order the 10A ones, you'll still get the 40a

[night brook]

thanks 😄 I will need to sort out my stuff still but I keep it in mind

[vague nacelle]

Sure..

[frosty moon]

Interesting hotend construction

[vague nacelle]

Nice

[obtuse sun]

What was this?

[cursive meadow]

probably the "genuine" Gates idlers

[vague nacelle]

Yeah the "genuine" gates idlers that really are powge ones

[obtuse sun]

yikes

[vague nacelle]

got the rest of the panels

[night brook]

I missed where you get these but from the screenshot I know where

[vague nacelle]

https://kunststoffplattenonline.de XD

[night brook]

Oh wait alu

They do alu?

[vague nacelle]

acm

[night brook]

Didn't see that

[cursive meadow]

acm kinda sucks for higher chamber temps, check the max temp ratings for it

[vague nacelle]

yeah ik, will be upgrading it over time

dont have the money rn to get full stainlesssteel enclosure etc

[cursive meadow]

would have opted for just plain aluminium panels then instead of ACM

[vague nacelle]

woudve been the same price as stainless

already looked at options

[cursive meadow]

weird

[night brook]

Panels in general seem expensive or is that just my cheapskate ass expecting lower prices?🤔

[vague nacelle]

Alu and Acryl always was expensive

[cursive meadow]

acryl is cheap

also cheap to cut

PC is more expensive, also cant be lasercut reliable after 3mm thickness

[night brook]

debating if hard pvc foamboards (cheapest option I found apart from OSB) with 10 mm aluminized insulation would be sufficient. Says its rated for 56ºC iirc.

[vague nacelle]

Cheapest is always cardboard also okish for a enclosure if you need to print something quickly

[cursive meadow]

K3 with some insulation goes past that rating

[night brook]

Thought so

[obtuse sun]

What about PIR?

[vague nacelle]

Screen working

[night brook]

so tidy

[vague nacelle]

I didn't really solder it great xD but no short

[cobalt finch]

wuts that for

THOSE ARE THICCC WIRES

[naive lynx]

Is that for Pi power?

[vague nacelle]

Yes

[vague nacelle]

AWG 20

[cobalt finch]

oh

those look huge

[vague nacelle]

Shelly is in the network

[vague nacelle]

I need to connect earth with the 5v. The coil is making weird noises when it just touches the din rail

And than loses connection

[naive lynx]

are the DIN rails not grounded?

[vague nacelle]

They are

But the 5v is on the side of it cuz it's too small for the 5v psu

And it needs a proper connection

[naive lynx]

ah I see

yeah definitely ground the PSUs

[vague nacelle]

Yeah I will. I finished wireing the distribution board today

It's fun cuz ldo didn't post the wireing for the 20mm stepper so now it's either good or not xD

[naive lynx]

can easily test steppers with a multimeter

or just holding two wires together and see if the motor gets harder to turn

iirc it's probably red/blue and green/black

[vague nacelle]

True

[vague nacelle]

im 80% sure that the k3 will print sunday evening

[night brook]

Looking forward to it

[frosty moon]

Sub 5 minute benchy let's gooo!

No, I believe in your printer

Sub 3 minute benchy!

[vague nacelle]

lol

[frosty moon]

You should totally stream it

[vague nacelle]

building it?

[frosty moon]

Speed boat as your first print frfr

[frosty moon]

Ooh! Yes!

[vague nacelle]

maybeee

would need a mount for my gopro

[frosty moon]

Print one!

[river shard]

It’s almost like your hobby is a thing that could easily perform this task

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[vague nacelle]

ik xD

buuuut

i cant print it now

cuz

like my only printer is the works ender 3

and thats priting the k3 parts

[river shard]

Oh right cause you returned the X-Plus lol

Big brain but also questionable brain at the same time lol @vague nacelle

[vague nacelle]

was broken

so like

[river shard]

Wait the plus broke?

Damn wha happun

[vague nacelle]

either hotend mosfet gave out or the cable broke but it refused to heatup anymore. and the front idlers were rattling

[river shard]

RIP

Well least you got some parts out of it before it crapped itself

And now it becomes a $200 printer for somebody else

[vague nacelle]

K3 will deff Not Print on Sunday

Warped to hell and it's a 12h print

Fuck that

Ugh

[frosty moon]

Ohno

That was on the xplus3?

[vague nacelle]

ender 3

x plus got returned.

[cobalt finch]

aww

[naive lynx]

if the holes still somewhat line up with the motor, it's probably still usable

[vague nacelle]

Yeah, 3 holes are

Will just reprint it on the k3

[vague nacelle]

Last parts were printed

Hoping that DHL will deliver the package tomorrow from ali

[vague nacelle]

[vague nacelle]

Ehh fuck dhl

It won't be delivered today

Ugh

They could 100% deliver it today, Frankfurt is like 170km from me

But nah

[cursive meadow]

Doesnt mean the delivery center is, possible that the truck heading there went already before your package arrived there

[night brook]

Panel time

[vague nacelle]

ordered a tad too small rivets

[night brook]

Going to rivet them into the extrusions?

[vague nacelle]

nah

the door is riveted

[cursive meadow]

pop rivets or crush rivets?

[vague nacelle]

pop

[cursive meadow]

the easy ones, crush rivets if done right look just better

if done wrong they are annoying

[vague nacelle]

Eh will at least build the Z today

With the powge ones, should be alright

[cursive meadow]

Z axis should be fine, X and Y is more critical

Powgee works, until they explode

takes like a day in a K3

[vague nacelle]

oof

[vague nacelle]

fucking hell

those z drives are pure hell

[night brook]

[naive lynx]

They are definitely a pain to build

[vague nacelle]

First z stepper added

[vague nacelle]

Any ideas for what this is?

[cobalt finch]

looks like a panel corner

[cursive meadow]

no idea, not sure if they changed the Z drive assembly a lot since R1.0

[cursive meadow]

did you greased the rails before installation?

or do they have a working grease port?

[vague nacelle]

ofc

[cobalt finch]

niceee

[night brook]

Cant wait to see that jiggle😁

For such a compact printer the z drives are super massive

[cursive meadow]

yea the Z Drives are beefy

also got beefed up more by adding reinforcing screws

[vague nacelle]

Ordered m8x50 dowels (bed) and m3.2x15 rivets for the door hoping of finishing it sometime next week

Btw @cursive meadow could you send me the stl for ur chamber heater mounts? Would SLS print it

[cursive meadow]

with the fanduct?

[vague nacelle]

Ye

2x 40mm Fans right?

[cursive meadow]

yea

also a bunch of heatsets

[vague nacelle]

M3x4x5mm?

[cursive meadow]

for the fan yes

for attaching the mounting brackets to the fanduct it where M5 iirc

could be also M3 cant remember

[vague nacelle]

The m5 that annex uses?

If so I have a bunch of em

[cursive meadow]

some random one ive got, went with a short one

one file where wrong

i should sort that folder better at some point

@vague nacelle make sure to not use one ive deleted, where a older version that where not great

[vague nacelle]

jup

2x 4028 will be overkill XD

[cursive meadow]

will probably work better than the 2 random Noctua 40mm ones ive got

[vague nacelle]

also true

[cursive meadow]

just make sure it clears the bed

also it can melt stuff in the path of the hot air

one reason why ive made it blow below the bed

[vague nacelle]

yeah i imagine

[cursive meadow]

so it wont melt a print from one side

blowing upwards would work, but people melted the dock for the probe that way (where also a chamber thermistor mounting point is)

[vague nacelle]

ah yeah true, i need to figure out mounting for the chamber thermistor

[cursive meadow]

there is one on the dock mount

takes a cartridge thermistor

[vague nacelle]

yeah im not using the dock tho

[cursive meadow]

doesnt prevent you from printing it

just to mount the thermistor to it

[vague nacelle]

well thats true

[cursive meadow]

also if you run the purge bucket its still there

got mine SLS printed at princore where cheaper than JLC including shipping

[vague nacelle]

holy fuc

[cursive meadow]

well ive ordered it in 2 batches

[vague nacelle]

jlc is 50$ incl shipping

[cursive meadow]

where planing to print the fanduct out of PA12 myself first, but ran into soome issues and eventually just said fuck it and got it SLS printed

also possible that ive got a 10% off code or a sale when ive ordered, cant remember

also the price is fine by me, supports a local buisness

[vague nacelle]

will that work? its 5mm to 5mm and 20mm in lenght. the ones in bom (28mm) are way to long

[bleak nexus]

Should be fine if shafts have the same diameter and you align everything well

[shrewd sigil]

are you not selling your k3? @vague nacelle

[vague nacelle]

Dunno

[obtuse sun]

There's also these

[vague nacelle]

Uh

[vague nacelle]

Hope they'll work

It's time to get it printing

[shrewd sigil]

Oh no you really don't want that

It is going to be overconstrained as fuck

[obtuse sun]

Would a plum coupler be good?

[shrewd sigil]

Like spider?

Better than rigid

best choice I know of are NBK's XGT2-19C-5-5

[obtuse sun]

Would this be good for a Z leadscrew coupler?

[shrewd sigil]

yeah, it is just like very expensive, I'd probably just use spider couplers for Z, they are 60$ per IIRC

[vague nacelle]

Can you send me a link?

[shrewd sigil]

https://uk.misumi-ec.com/vona2/detail/221005152457/?HissuCode=XGT2-19C-5-5
or
https://www.ondrivesus.com/XGT-19C-5-5

they are used on THK linear actuators

[vague nacelle]

26 will be way to long

The ones I have, 28 don't fit at all

[shrewd sigil]

it should fit

[vague nacelle]

Yeah but with the printed mounts they don't, or I mounted it wrong..

[shrewd sigil]

probably mounted it wrong

[vague nacelle]

Sooo

Point the wrong doings

[shrewd sigil]

you did measure them yourself?

[vague nacelle]

Wdym

[shrewd sigil]

the thickness of the coupler, you measured it yourself? or you are just going by what the listing was telling you?

[vague nacelle]

The coupler is 28 in length

[shrewd sigil]

you also need it to be deeper in the stepper side

yours is not deep enough that's why

[vague nacelle]

Ah

...

Fuck it

I'll build it to the end

[shrewd sigil]

what are the couplers you have rn?

[cursive meadow]

depending on the stepper you run you might want to look into metal stepper mounts

[vague nacelle]

Ordered those

[cursive meadow]

the 2004 are fine with the printed mounts
if you go to 48V you want the metal mounts

[vague nacelle]

Got the other ones

[cursive meadow]

the 2804 require the metal mounts
2504 depends on how hard you push it

[shrewd sigil]

getting them laser cut isn't too expensive so there is always that

[vague nacelle]

Have the 2504

[cursive meadow]

the ones for the coupler based design is usually bend

the longshaft design is stacked plates

[shrewd sigil]

bent? why?

[cursive meadow]

to clear the coupler properly

[shrewd sigil]

possibility for error is much higher tho

[vague nacelle]

Will those work?

[shrewd sigil]

oh the annex store sells metal ones for regular shaft, OOS rn but 39$ is not bad

[shrewd sigil]

I personally don't really like those, the ones you have rn with the black rubber should work better

[cursive meadow]

this is how the ones for the coupler design looks like

[cursive meadow]

thats for the longshaft

[shrewd sigil]

there is both

[cursive meadow]

the picture is for the longshaft

[shrewd sigil]

oh yeah

[cursive meadow]

but yea the standard one is the bend metal thing