Print stuck on print bed + bed levelling and centering issues (UP mini printer) | 3D Printing | Page 1

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:03 AM

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I’m currently using a UP mini printer alongside the upstudio application, with nozzle temp set to 215 degrees (gonna change it down to 210 since theres a couple of burnt blobs) for PLA and a bed temp of 50 degrees

My main issue is that fact that the test prints are stuck pretty tightly to the print bed, and trying to pry them off has only left scratches on the bed. The print bed is also one of those (i think "perforated plate" is the term??) beds that has a bunch of small holes that the PLA seeps into.

the more minor issues include the printer not printing in the centre of the bed despite it being centred in the Uptudio program, as well as bed bed levelling. Most of the tutorials i watched the square test prints in the videos look different to what the UP mini prints despite using the same files, which i can only assume is because its a old model and therefore doesn't print the same way, though that does mean im not entirely sure if I should be lifting or lowering my nozzle.
Anyways, any help would be much appreciated, and thanks in advance!

tribal knollBOT Dec 22, 2023, 2:03 AM

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wet mulch I’m currently using a UP mini printer alongside the upstudio application, with n...

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AI Help

To address your issues with the UP mini printer, here are some troubleshooting suggestions:

For the issue of prints sticking too tightly to the print bed, you can try a few things:

Apply a thin layer of glue stick or painter's tape to the bed before printing. This can help the print adhere less strongly and make it easier to remove without damaging the bed.
Ensure that the bed leveling is properly adjusted. If the bed is too close to the nozzle, it can cause excessive adhesion. Try adjusting the leveling screws to achieve a slight gap between the nozzle and the bed.
You can also try reducing the bed temperature slightly, as higher temperatures can increase adhesion.

For the issue of not printing in the center of the bed despite it being centered in the UP Studio program, you can try the following:

Verify that the print bed is properly centered and aligned within the printer. It's possible that the physical position of the bed does not match the software settings. Adj...

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:06 AM

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winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:10 AM

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Thats quite the old printer, isn't it?
You are supposed to use a raft on these beds I think.

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Ah First pictures then answering 🙈

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Nozzle closer

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:11 AM

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nozzle closer?

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:12 AM

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winged ruin Thats quite the old printer, isn't it? You are supposed to use a raft on these ...

and yeah, it is. as for the rafts, i think it did print the rafts? its just i cant get the raft off

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the pla's stuck in the holes

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:12 AM

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According to the picture you provided you have to get closer to the bed

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Its a heated bed? Maybe you should get a different print surface

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:13 AM

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uh, ill be honest, im unsure if its a heated bed or not

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these boards are the only print surafce i have

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:14 AM

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winged ruin According to the picture you provided you have to get closer to the bed

also really? i wouldve thought i would have to move the nozzle further away, since it seems the pla was really stuck in the holes

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hold on, let me get another image

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:14 AM

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wet mulch

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Im going from this 😅

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It's supposed to get stuck there I think

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:15 AM

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Here’s part of the print that was pryed off

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:16 AM

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winged ruin It's supposed to get stuck there I think

yeah, the board is inserted onto that panel

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Didn’t put it all the way in but this is what it looks like

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:17 AM

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wet mulch

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No First layer squish means you are too far away

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:19 AM

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wouldnt the raft be the first layer though? sorry if im a little confused, i only just started trying to get the printer to work

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:19 AM

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Now that i look at it, it also doesn't have walls

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:20 AM

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wet mulch wouldnt the raft be the first layer though? sorry if im a little confused, i onl...

Thats a good philosophical question...is the Support the first layer or the first layer of the part🤔

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:21 AM

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all i know is that i cant get the print off the bed xD ¯_(ツ)_/¯

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:22 AM

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Try if you can apply the tuning guide to it
https://ellis3dp.com/Print-Tuning-Guide/

Thats also helpful
https://www.simplify3d.com/resources/print-quality-troubleshooting/

Regarding the print surface ill look something up real quick

Ellis’ Print Tuning Guide

Welcome!

Ellis’ Print Tuning Guide

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:22 AM

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alrighty, thanks for the help!

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:25 AM

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wet mulch alrighty, thanks for the help!

Okay, first layer is the layer of the part, not the raft. It's supposed to adhere to the build plate like that.

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https://www.matterhackers.com/articles/3d-printing-essentials-bed-surface

I used this resource

MatterHackers

3D Printing Essentials: How to Succeed with Every Bed Surface Solut...

Matching 3D printing filaments with the proper bed surface material is an important part of the 3D printing process. Read more to find out the best path to success.

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Also the perforated bed is not meant for PLA

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:27 AM

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ah, is it not?

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:27 AM

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No, ABS and stuff that tends to warp

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Some of the earlier printers where only meant for ABS Filament

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:29 AM

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ooh, yeah that makes sense

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do you think its possible to still make it work though? or would it not really function?

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:30 AM

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Sure get another printing surface and you are good to go, I think

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Could use fr4/G10/Garolite

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:32 AM

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i suppose i could look into it. i guess the perforated bed just isnt compaitable with pla then? though, id still like to get the prints off of the plate if only to try a couple of other trial runs

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:33 AM

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winged ruin Could use fr4/G10/Garolite

do they come in the right size for the up mini though? i think the usual plates are smaller than the standard size, isnt it?

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:34 AM

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Get it in a bigger sheet and cut it yourself. It's easy to score and break with a razor blade and a sharp corner

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:34 AM

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you can just straight up cut the beds???

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:36 AM

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Fr4 is Just pcb material

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Its 3d printing, tinkering is highly encouraged

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:37 AM

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ah ok

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:39 AM

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For example: I recently bought a steel plate and covered it in Polypropylen self adhesive sheets meant for protecting books to make a custom plate for Polypropylen filament 😆

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:39 AM

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ahh, huh. diy. i guess if it works, it works

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but still, in the meantime, do you have any tips for getting the print off the bed? i would like to at least try to get this plate to work before looking to buying other plates

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:41 AM

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Poking from the back while its warm to get the blobs out, investing in a sharp scraper.
For Future use you could wrap the perforated plate with one smooth layer of painters tape to prevent the filament from seeping in

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Use glue stick with the tape method

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:43 AM

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alright, ill give those methods a try, thanks again for the help :D though one last question, any idea as to why the print isnt centering? would you say its a software issue or a machine issue?

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:47 AM

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Probably some setup thing, the firmware and slicer don't align on what's the 0 position. Could probably edit that in the slicer but I don't know anything about that software

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:49 AM

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alright, guess i'll have to keep messing with the application, thanks again! might need to ask more questions in the future if i cant resolve the issues though XD

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oh wait hold on how warm should the bed be when trying to get it off? probabaly shouldve asked beforehand

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:51 AM

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wet mulch oh wait hold on how warm should the bed be when trying to get it off? probabaly ...

Cold

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Room temp

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Didn't think of that

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:52 AM

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? didnt you say to try "Poking from the back while its warm to get the blobs out, investing in a sharp scraper."?

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:52 AM

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Could even put it in the freezer for some time to loosen it

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:52 AM

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wet mulch ? didnt you say to try "Poking from the back while its warm to get the blobs out...

Yes for getting the broken off blobs out

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:53 AM

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ooh the blobs stuck in the plate

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so for actually getting the prints off it'd be better to put it in a freezer?

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:53 AM

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Sorry was unclear there

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:53 AM

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ah its fine, thanks for the clarification though

winged ruin Dec 22, 2023, 2:53 AM

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wet mulch so for actually getting the prints off it'd be better to put it in a freezer?

If they don't come of at room temp yes

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Remember that plastic gets brittle when cold though

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Most plastics that is

wet mulch Dec 22, 2023, 2:55 AM

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ah ok, so only a method to remove failed prints. thanks for the help!

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#Print stuck on print bed + bed levelling and centering issues (UP mini printer)