voron 0 pricing

[thorn bramble]

hey there, I am looking for a super fast mini printer (also if there is a resin printer thats the same speed, it would be nice to point it out), and so I wondered how much would a voron 0 cost if I went with the "fastest (but that are still reasonable) parts" how much would it cost me ? and what is the level of difficulty to build one ? thanks

[high loom]

AI Help

Hello! The cost of building a Voron 0 3D printer with faster but reasonably priced parts can vary depending on your location and specific components chosen. On average, the build cost for a Voron 0 ranges between $400 to $800. However, it's essential to consider additional expenses like filament, tools, and any upgrades you may want to make.

In terms of difficulty, building a Voron 0 is considered to be of intermediate to advanced level. It requires a good understanding of 3D printers, electronics, and some soldering. There are detailed assembly instructions and a supportive community to help you through the process. As long as you take your time, follow the instructions carefully, and seek assistance when needed, you should be able to tackle the build successfully.

If you have any specific questions or need further assistance building your Voron 0, feel free to ask!

WARNING: This response is AI generated and may contain errors.

[flat raven]

if this is your first printer then dont get a voron

if this is your 2nd or 3rd then a formbot kit goes for about 300 usd

[thorn bramble]

I have a p1p

[flat raven]

so its a first printer

I'd personally avoid going with a v0 cause the p1p has no diy skill involved

its quite a hard build since everything is so compact

[thorn bramble]

yeah, but I already did some diy project with electronics

[median minnow]

The bot is correct in that it will cost about $600 for a basic v0 (im basing that on a siboor/formbot kit + pif parts)
How much more expensive it will get depends entirely on what sort of mods you do (the base vo is still very fast)

In terms of difficulty it depends how you build
if you get a kit then not too hard, all the wiring will be predone and the documantation is great but if you self source it will be alot harder
and then if you are modding it for speed then all of those mods will likely be even harder again as there will be very little documantation for anything and you will be doing literally everything from scratch

[flat raven]

if you can follow a manual it shouldn't be tooooo hard, although it does assume you have some pre existing knowledge

[thorn bramble]

ok, how much faster is the base voron 0 compared to the p1p ?

[median minnow]

but tbh there isnt much point going faster than a stock v0 unless you are going fast for the sake of going fast (as in trying to do speed benchys) as you will have much worse print quality and part strength

[thorn bramble]

then it should be fine, especially if the wiring is pre done

[flat raven]

my voron trident hits 45k accel with 350mm/s. v0.2 should hit about 60k at 450+ mm/s

[thorn bramble]

I have no idea what that means

[flat raven]

thats travel speeds

basically its fast

[thorn bramble]

ok

[median minnow]

bambu typically does about 200mm/s for actually printing (idk the accell) with travels up to like 500mm/s

[flat raven]

also your p1p is a pla machine, a v0.2 wont make your parts all that much faster

[thorn bramble]

20000mm/s I think

[flat raven]

we shorten that to 20k accel

[median minnow]

ye that sounds reasonable (assuming you mean 20k mm/s^2 for accel not 20k mm/s lol)

[thorn bramble]

I think

[flat raven]

20m/s print speed

72km/h

[thorn bramble]

ok

so then for pla/petg, should I grab a voron 0 ?

[median minnow]

if speed is all you want (unless you are doing speed benchies) then a v0 wont be much of an upgrade without some very serious mods
still a fun build though

[flat raven]

no

your bambu can do PLA/PETG very well

[median minnow]

no, my v0 cant print pla
the enclosure makes it impossible lol (yes ik techncally you can remove it)

[thorn bramble]

might be fun, but if it is just for it to finish has a statue in a corner I don't see the point

[median minnow]

v0 is intended for stuff like abs (which your p1p wont do very well)

[thorn bramble]

then if I use ABS, how fast would it be compared to bambu with pla ?

[flat raven]

p1p cant print abs in general

it can but you'd get loads of warping

[median minnow]

its not a question of speed its quality
the p1p isnt enclosed so you will get tonnes of warping

enclosed = good for abs, bad for pla

[flat raven]

speed is a fad above 250mm/s and 20k accel

wont gain much and quality reduction for those extra mins off of a multi hour print is tiny

your bambu will do fine at or below those speeds

[thorn bramble]

I don't want to do abs on my p1p, it's just that if I did the same model on both, in pla with my p1p, and in abs with the voron, how much faster the voron would be ?

[flat raven]

a v0.2 will go well above and maintian quality, but your gain is quite low for the time+money

[flat raven]

hard to say, each voron is different

also material doesnt mattert all that much

PLA vs ABS, doesn't do that much

[median minnow]

depends what exactly your voron ends up being
there is no one voron, the point of them is they are all different
yours could end up twice as slow or twice as fast as the p1p depending on how you build it

[flat raven]

people do speed benchies with ABS cause it melts easier, thus allowing higher flows. you wont reach the flows required to require ABS over PLA any time soon

[median minnow]

i think they just mean they dont care about the material so they are just going with the ideal material on each printer (pls corect me if im wrong though)

[thorn bramble]

indeed, I don't give a crap about what my prints are made of

[median minnow]

what sort of stuff are you printing?

[thorn bramble]

a bit of everything, I wanted a voron 0 for fast prototyping, for just general functionnal things

[median minnow]

in that case you dont want to be printing at much faster than the p1p already is

you will sacrifice part strength which obviously isnt ideal for functional parts

[thorn bramble]

it's fine, I just want a voron to prototype and see if it's right, not for the final print

[median minnow]

v0 is an amazing printer and its really fun to build
i just dont think for your use case you will be happy with the results

if you just want a 2nd printer so you can run them both in parallel then its a great choice though

[thorn bramble]

ok

[thorn bramble]

then if voron 0 isn't right for fast prototyping, what should it be for ?

[flat raven]

its good for rapid prototyping, just not needed if you have a fast printer already

[median minnow]

it is right for fast prototyping, it just wont be significantly faster than your p1p

[flat raven]

no way

[median minnow]

?

[flat raven]

its like we're interconnected

[median minnow]

ye lol

[thorn bramble]

ok, so is there anything that could go faster than bambulab and keep the quality without going into industrial printers

[flat raven]

yes, v0.2, trident, 2,4 annex, loads of printers really

[median minnow]

not really, with current firmware and stuff bambu/prusa/qidi/voron are all at the limit of how fast you should print

apart from heavily modded diy ones like yorak mentioned

[flat raven]

just you got a bambu, no need for slightly faster when what u got prints fine

(for now)

[flat raven]

read my name aloud

[thorn bramble]

ok, is there any known incoming printers that could be significantly faster than bambulab while keeping the quality ?

[median minnow]

not that we know of rn
we need new tech (probably firmware stuff) to maintain the quality

[thorn bramble]

also, since you name tag says p1s. i'm going to assume it's bambulab p1s, is there any difference between the p1p and p1s, just to know if the upgrade kit is in any kind usefull for pla

[median minnow]

if i had to guess i would say prusa might be the ones to push it further, the load cell sensor on their nextruder has alot of potential for new stuff

[flat raven]

no off the shelf printers

DIY yes, loads.

but nothing from the likes of prusa, creality, bambu, qidi and others

[thorn bramble]

isn't the mk4 slower than bambulabs ?

[flat raven]

yes

[median minnow]

no, if you want to print pla (or dont care about material) then the p1s is useless for you
the upgrade just adds an enclosure (and fans to help) which will actually be worse for pla

[flat raven]

but it has a proper support system and actually has qc

[median minnow]

no

[thorn bramble]

if it's fully diy without any instructions or company backing it like voron, I probably won't

[median minnow]

from my testing they both finish prints within 1 min of each other ootb

[flat raven]

voron aint a company

its just a group of nerds

[median minnow]

which is why they are so good, no financial incentive to ruin things

[flat raven]

they just release a BOM and manual. no support, no offical shit

[thorn bramble]

it's close enought for me

[flat raven]

couple dudes on discord = company

[thorn bramble]

yes

[flat raven]

now introducing the 3dprinting company

we sell nothing

and buy nothing

[thorn bramble]

but you have schematics to create your printer

[median minnow]

its not a product unless you sell it

nice edit

[thorn bramble]

i know

[flat raven]

you got a CAD file and a manual

[thorn bramble]

so shematic

[flat raven]

grammer moment

[flat raven]

sure, they sell nothing though

they have 1 link on their entire website for donations

and the BOM list only shows what you need with links that are either aff or non aff

[thorn bramble]

sure, but they have the rest

[flat raven]

The rest of what?

[thorn bramble]

shematics

[flat raven]

How so

They release the full CAD file

So anyone can see every nut and every bolt

Every bearing

[thorn bramble]

yeah

[flat raven]

Idk what you think they're profiting off of

Or producing no one else can produce

They're just a few dudes making a goofy little plastic pooper