8K polling

[dire crest]

Because where is the thread

[robust pond]

Does the MCU that allow for 8KHz scanning and polling get hot?

[quartz tartan]

Is this the same MCU that's on the other ARM based boards (ie. 60HE ARM) if so, why can't those go to 8k and this can (I'm assuming it's something to do with the multiplexing units)? Unless the MCU is different in which case, why change it?

[split aspen]

Sounds really neat 👀

[frozen girder]

Will 60he have this?

[robust pond]

Not unless we see a 60HE+ revision.

I’d expect a 60HE+ revision though. Maybe a year or so after the 80HE releases.

[violet herald]

So my 60HE is now unusable and I need to buy a 80HE. gotcha!

[tender wave]

I mean it's not exactly unusable if you don't get 8k polling

still really fast

[robust pond]

It is! It really is completely unusable. I mean how in the world could anyone use something as inferior as the 60HE, come on now.

[frozen girder]

It's a bit weird they didn't include this in 60HE+

[robust pond]

That’s innovation for ya.

😉

[split aspen]

1k polling is still super good

8k polling is of course a little better, but not a dealbreaker imo

[potent lagoon]

seriously, if anyone would notice a difference between 1k and 8k... the input delay makes anything beyond 1k pretty much worthless using

[robust pond]

A baby cries when the parent reacts as if the baby was hurt, even though it isn’t hurt at all. How can someone perform optimally when all they can think of is “this keyboard is 0.9ms slower than the competition’s”. 😉

[celest zenith]

Calling 1k polling “unusable” is quite a drastic exaggeration

[spice tulip]

8K polling is not noticable

[junior sandal]

keep this in mind, 1k polling rate means the keyboard sends the data about inputs about every millisecond, or a thousandth of a second, and cutting that down to about ~0.125 ms is pretty much negligible because the majority of the input delay in either case is made up of input processing by the system

the difference is so small you will have to genuinely look at it from the point of statistics and slo-mo recordings to even tell that the input happened "sooner"

[arctic hatch]

What is the difference between the 60he and the 60he+??

[spice tulip]

not much difference
60he+ supports screw-in stabilizers, basically if you don't mod your keyboard then it doesn't really matter.

[split aspen]

When the 60he+ is as much in stock as the 60he, it will replace the 60he. It also supports more layouts.

But yeah, not much difference except something that some keyboard modders care about :)

Also in the US the stock for the 60he is empty, so you only have the option to choose the 60he+ now

[fiery cosmos]

Do it
even if it's just to satisfy the people that do direct comparisons

As you know, big numbers good for comparing

wait true 8k polling would be a step over

false 8k polling?

[robust pond]

Yeah. 8KHz polling big brands use is 8KHz polling but only 2-4KHz scanning. So it’s quite useless. The 80HE will have 8KHz polling AND scanning. 😎

[celest flower]

The mcu on the current arm boards doesn’t support USB HS needed for 8khz polling

[quartz tartan]

Ah, so it's either a new USB controller being employed or an entirely new MCU.

[celest flower]

It would seem so as I don’t recall seeing a separate usb controller on the current arm boards - but I might be wrong here as I only really googled the mcu itself to see its capabilities so I might have overlooked some chip, I however woudlnt expect there to currently be a separate usb chip.

[fiery cosmos]

ayyy
Wooting about to do a pro gamer move ig

[robust pond]

Yeah

[dire crest]

This is a different MCU and it also requires an external USB Transceiver (it's not built in).

[quartz tartan]

Ah

[deft plaza]

Which implies zero chances for us poor new 60HE possessors to ever receive any kind of "upgrade" emitter/receiver, right?

[robust pond]

Correct.

If it matters a lot to you, you could always sell your 60HE and get a 80HE.

[deft plaza]

Nah, the 60 form factor matters to me above everything else. Also unlike mice, the 8k on keyboards seemed to make next to zero difference whatsoever.

[tall stirrup]

still atmel？

[celest flower]

I can’t speak for the upcoming one, but the arm mcu on 60he and two he was not atmel