Clarification on Taxes/Duty Shipping to the UK | Wooting | Page 1

flint zinc Jan 29, 2023, 5:38 PM

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I was looking at order the Wooting 60HE and having it shipped to the UK however after pricing it up I see it says "Including £28.84 in taxes"

Does this mean that the taxes are included in that total or is that Wootings estimate on my taxes due when it lands in the UK?

obsidian condor Jan 29, 2023, 5:39 PM

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flint zinc I was looking at order the Wooting 60HE and having it shipped to the UK however ...

that means the money you pay us 173GBP already includes the taxes so it should go into the UK without trouble.

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heavy emphasis on should

flint zinc Jan 29, 2023, 5:40 PM

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When it gets shipped via DPD do you guys usually mark it as DDP on the Commercial Invoice?

cedar patio Jan 29, 2023, 5:40 PM

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D...D...P?

flint zinc Jan 29, 2023, 5:41 PM

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Delivery Duty Paid (DDP) It's a shipping export term

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When you export goods from one country to another it can be marked DAP, DDP and other abbreviations

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DAP being Delivery At Place in which the buyer is responsible for customs clearance, duties and taxes.

cedar patio Jan 29, 2023, 5:42 PM

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Anyhow - Could I have your order number, please? Your order shouldn't have paid VAT on checkout as far as I can tell, this should be handled by DPD on arrival in the UK.

flint zinc Jan 29, 2023, 5:42 PM

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I haven't ordered the keyboard yet as I wanted clarification before I placed the order

cedar patio Jan 29, 2023, 5:42 PM

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Could have lead with that 😄

flint zinc Jan 29, 2023, 5:43 PM

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"I was looking at order" probably should have put to instead of at 😅

cedar patio Jan 29, 2023, 5:44 PM

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Once you type in your address and go to the next step, the VAT should be removed from the checkout.

flint zinc Jan 29, 2023, 5:44 PM

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or "ordering".

But yeah, I was curious what that £28.84 in taxes means. BigBrainAFK things it's included but because the value is over £135 I thought the duty should not be included and charged when it lands here.

cedar patio Jan 29, 2023, 5:45 PM

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Correct - Over 135GBP and the VAT should vanish from checkout due to post-brexit UK redtape.

flint zinc Jan 29, 2023, 5:46 PM

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It still shows that £28.84 on the right

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Does that mean £173 + £28.84 to be paid?
Or that £173 already includes £28.84?
Or £173 is due and the estimated taxes landed is £28.84.

That's what I'm struggling with.

rare smelt Jan 29, 2023, 5:50 PM

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To me that looks like an error and the VAT is actually included in the final sale xD

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Converts to 197 euro which is roughly what a person in the EU would pay for it

flint zinc Jan 29, 2023, 5:51 PM

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UK's Brexit really messed up tons of e-commerce sites and solutions 😅

rare smelt Jan 29, 2023, 5:51 PM

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I guess so xD

cedar patio Jan 29, 2023, 5:51 PM

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That is... odd. Maybe @late badger has an idea? Normally it should show the VAT removed after typing in the address.

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🤔

rare smelt Jan 29, 2023, 5:52 PM

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I also tried to add my old UK address to buy the board in the same format and it came to the same

flint zinc Jan 29, 2023, 5:52 PM

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I think the £173 price is the price without VAT

rare smelt Jan 29, 2023, 5:52 PM

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But.... it shouldn't be, because if you add VAT you would be paying like 40 euro more than the rest

late badger Jan 29, 2023, 5:53 PM

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Your cart is below the 135 GBP threshold (excluding tax and shipping) therefore you're being charged VAT at purchase and it will ship DDP

rare smelt Jan 29, 2023, 5:53 PM

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cedar patio That is... odd. Maybe <@159070945703624704> has an idea? Normally it should show...

This is the case and the board should actually cost you closer to £140

flint zinc Jan 29, 2023, 5:53 PM

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But I'm interested in what the £28.84 is? Because VAT is usually 20% so it'd be £32 not £28.84 unless it's taking into account euros or something because 32 euros is £28.10~

rare smelt Jan 29, 2023, 5:53 PM

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late badger Your cart is below the 135 GBP threshold (excluding tax and shipping) therefore ...

Ooh that could be it

flint zinc Jan 29, 2023, 5:54 PM

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So the item isn't actually £160 it's £133.33 with £26.67 VAT?

late badger Jan 29, 2023, 5:54 PM

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flint zinc But I'm interested in what the £28.84 is? Because VAT is usually 20% so it'd be ...

I suspect this is on account of an exchange rate differential and Shopify rounding

rare smelt Jan 29, 2023, 5:55 PM

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Yes that is it, if you change to PBT keycaps the VAT is removed

late badger Jan 29, 2023, 5:56 PM

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PBT over ABS is enough top bump it over the threshold

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*to

cedar patio Jan 29, 2023, 5:56 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

Tenor

rare smelt Jan 29, 2023, 5:57 PM

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flint zinc So the item isn't actually £160 it's £133.33 with £26.67 VAT?

yes

late badger Jan 29, 2023, 5:57 PM

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Technically it's priced in Euros and Shopify offers a "service" by offering it in your local currency

flint zinc Jan 29, 2023, 5:57 PM

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Customs and Duty is a nightmare. When Brexit happened it became a nightmare as I was in charge of making our Ecommerce site charge the right VAT and stuff for UK and EU customers 😂 It's not fun

late badger Jan 29, 2023, 5:58 PM

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Yea we've had all kinds of headaches with shipments to the UK 🤡

flint zinc Jan 29, 2023, 5:58 PM

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Additionally couriers also don't have a clue a lot of the time if duty is due or not.
This is why I just wanted clarification. I know that it's not always straight forward.

late badger Jan 29, 2023, 5:59 PM

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Indeed. Looks to be in order though

flint zinc Jan 29, 2023, 6:03 PM

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So in theory if I order and pay £173.00 Wooting will ship the order DDP and there shouldn't be any customs clearance charges payable by me?
Because I would have thought I'd still have to pay the customs clearance charge.

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It might be worth me finding another UK user who ordered one to see what it was like for them.

late badger Jan 29, 2023, 6:06 PM

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If your order falls below the 135 GBP pretax threshold (excluding shipping and excluding air freight shipping) then we will charge VAT at the time of purchase, ship the order DDP, and you will not need to pay custom clearance fees at import

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If you're above that threshold, we'll not charge tax at purchase, ship it DAP, and you'll need to pay both the 20% VAT as well as an admin fee from the carrier that covers customs clearance fees. Last I saw that fee was £5 for DPD and £11.50 for UPS

flint zinc Jan 30, 2023, 9:59 AM

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Was it definitely £173 at checkout and not £178 because I think those PBT keycaps is what bumped you over that threshold possibly?

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Wait those values don't add up still

quick hawk Jan 30, 2023, 10:00 AM

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£173 is whats gone out of my account in november when i placed the order, but i cant say for sure if thats what it said on the website

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could be some changes since then due to the value of the £ changing

flint zinc Jan 30, 2023, 10:01 AM

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with the PBT keycaps it looks like this and doesn't have that £28.84 message like I had

quick hawk Jan 30, 2023, 10:01 AM

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yeah if you ordered this i think you would have to pay import VAT

flint zinc Jan 30, 2023, 10:01 AM

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Yeah but if I order the normal keycaps in theory there would be nothing due

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At least that's what the Wooting Team have said

quick hawk Jan 30, 2023, 10:02 AM

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yes you would have to pay vat on checkout but not upon delivery

rare smelt Jan 30, 2023, 10:02 AM

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£173 = + air freight

quick hawk Jan 30, 2023, 10:02 AM

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yes thats including the air freight

rare smelt Jan 30, 2023, 10:03 AM

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keyboard with pbt and air freight, 173

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keyboard with abs no air freight 173

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No VAT paid on first one, second one has VAT paid

quick hawk Jan 30, 2023, 10:04 AM

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yes, on the first one shipping to the uk you have to pay the extra fees i mentioned, on the second one you wouldnt have those i think

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however i think the air freight doesnt have any effect on whether you pay these import vat charges on delivery, only the value of the actual item itself

rare smelt Jan 30, 2023, 10:05 AM

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yeah just the PBT takes you over the 135 GBP

quick hawk Jan 30, 2023, 10:05 AM

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so its the pbt keycaps that push it over the import vat threshold

flint zinc Jan 30, 2023, 10:06 AM

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I really want one of these keyboards but the fear of fees is what has me holding back 😅

obsidian condor Jan 30, 2023, 10:06 AM

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i mean i wish we could just wave fees but... the UK sort of collectively decided to leave the EU

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so its nothing we can do anything about sadly

quick hawk Jan 30, 2023, 10:06 AM

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basically, if the order says vat included in the checkout you dont have to worry, if it doesnt then you have to pay an extra 20% + a bit more when its delivered

rare smelt Jan 30, 2023, 10:06 AM

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You pay the fees regardless, either if you choose with ABS or no keycaps you pay at checkout, or with PBT you pay when the keyboard enters the country

obsidian condor Jan 30, 2023, 10:06 AM

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also the only real added fee is the brokerage fee some carriers charge

rare smelt Jan 30, 2023, 10:07 AM

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Either way you pay the sales tax, it is unavoidable

quick hawk Jan 30, 2023, 10:07 AM

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yeah, the extra fees i mentioned arent really extra, they just dont appear in the wooting checkout

rare smelt Jan 30, 2023, 10:08 AM

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I mean the only way you can avoid the sales tax is if you have a company or are self employed in the UK and do VAT returns

obsidian condor Jan 30, 2023, 10:08 AM

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well "avoid"

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you pay some other taxes for it usually

quick hawk Jan 30, 2023, 10:08 AM

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lets not go down the route of tax evasion

rare smelt Jan 30, 2023, 10:08 AM

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Right 😅

flint zinc Jan 30, 2023, 10:09 AM

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I mean in theory I will be using this keyboard at my workplace 🤔

obsidian condor Jan 30, 2023, 10:09 AM

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so ask your employer to purchase it

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lol

rare smelt Jan 30, 2023, 10:09 AM

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Didn't mean it like tax evasion xD Just meant if you are a company you can claim VAT back

obsidian condor Jan 30, 2023, 10:09 AM

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tell them you pay the vat excluded price

rare smelt Jan 30, 2023, 10:09 AM

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You can do that

cedar patio Jan 30, 2023, 10:09 AM

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Please don't jump into other people's threads - Make your own. 🙂

quick hawk Jan 30, 2023, 10:10 AM

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uhh, its not really a need to make my own thread; just helping someone else's question in the same boat

flint zinc Jan 30, 2023, 10:14 AM

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I think my final decision is whether I go 60HE or full-size now.
60HE and I don't have to worry about duty (theoretically)
Fullsize and I'll have to keep in mind VAT.

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@quick hawk what did you say your duty was because in theory that should be 0?

quick hawk Jan 30, 2023, 10:15 AM

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0 duty, only charges were import vat and courier brokerage charge

flint zinc Jan 30, 2023, 10:15 AM

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Yeah that sounds right

obsidian condor Jan 30, 2023, 10:15 AM

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it doesnt matter how much you pay... you always pay vat

quick hawk Jan 30, 2023, 10:16 AM

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its just good to have in mind so you dont get caught out when its time to be delivered

flint zinc Jan 30, 2023, 10:16 AM

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I was just double checking that the commodity code was correct and that Yozora paid 0 duty.

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Because if the commodity code was put in wrong you'd have the 20% of the VAT and an additonal duty to pay

late badger Jan 30, 2023, 10:46 AM

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Should that occur (and it has happened that carriers incorrectly charge import duties and fees for shipments) then pay those extra fees to ensure you get your keyboard delivered and reach out to us directly with the invoice you received from the parcel carrier for compensation

flint zinc Jan 30, 2023, 1:19 PM

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Order placed today.
Showed this before checkout and then after payment it now shows Euros.
Thought that was quite interesting

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Fingers crossed everything goes through fine without any problems. For future reference the order ref is "EU30479H"

late badger Jan 30, 2023, 2:11 PM

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late badger Technically it's priced in Euros and Shopify offers a "service" by offering it i...

The swap to Euro pricing is expected

#Clarification on Taxes/Duty Shipping to the UK