🔧│keyboard_modding

[marsh cove]

Im going broke

[tropic urchin]

Now you just need $200 GMK keycaps

[sacred elm]

dont forget to grab wallhack frenzy sleeve for full weeb experience

[thorn zealot]

yeah prolly not

[tropic urchin]

I thought that shit was photoshopped 😭

[sacred elm]

[glacial wind]

Hrm that photo could use better lighting

Clearly not taken with an apurture infinimat

[sacred elm]

[marble sierra]

I have the same one 😂

[sacred elm]

[thorn zealot]

i can finally get out of iron in val with this

[sacred elm]

I hate the top of it, its slightly small

[marsh cove]

its what im on right now 🔥

[sacred elm]

surely it will stretch right

[marble sierra]

Over time it will yeah

When I wasn't using it I put it on a bottle to stretch it 😂

[thorn zealot]

🌹

[marsh cove]

thoughts on new setup?

everything is new besides keyboard

mods will be on in a week.

[thorn zealot]

do u have an rog desk

[marsh cove]

nope UPLIFT Adjustable Desk

i just put an rog sticker lol

[tropic urchin]

Nice bonitor

[marsh cove]

Thanks

anything that needs to be cchanged?

[sacred elm]

My monitor better

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[tropic urchin]

Dawg never say that again 😭😭

[sacred elm]

😭

[tropic urchin]

Buy a monitor for Black Friday I’m begging you

That shit worse than takmisser’s shit

[sacred elm]

I will 😭

[glacial wind]

Where the professional streamer light setup that never gets used because people don’t end up streaming

[tropic urchin]

I’d prob get banned on day 1 if I tried to lmao

[glacial wind]

I briefly considered using a professional apurture lantern light as my main room light because the light was so nice and soft

[thorn zealot]

ima buy another prebuilt shitty pc on bf

dw

[tropic urchin]

Respectfully

Buy a laptop

🥀

[thorn zealot]

i need to upgrade both 😭

[uneven cradle]

True but even then I'm not sure the a7v will be cheaper than the Z5II

[thorn zealot]

i almost burned my fingers playin dead cells on it

[tropic urchin]

Def left some dead cells on it

[uneven cradle]

And they better upgrade that EVF

[glacial wind]

But then you get the Sony glass instead of the smelly poo poo Nikon glass

[thorn zealot]

yeah wanna see

[tropic urchin]

💀

[sacred elm]

I need to stop buying useless shit and buy actual good monitor

[thorn zealot]

ima upgrade everythin for my setup besides my pc

[sacred elm]

ghosting on this 144hz VA crap is crazy

[glacial wind]

https://www.wishbucket.io/items/1368595

[marble sierra]

I need this tbh

[tropic urchin]

your ghosts are haunted btw

thats how bad it is

[uneven cradle]

They better hurry up then

[glacial wind]

Rumour is they already have it registered and are waiting to see when to launch it

[calm pulsar]

that would be a nice tv for my cat

[tidal frigate]

Dont show it to raquel

[calm pulsar]

dead cells is such a good gaem

[thorn zealot]

i agree

[calm pulsar]

damn take a shower

[tropic urchin]

That’s why he didn’t 100% it

[thorn zealot]

at least i dont have over 2k hrs like that one dead cells ytber

[calm pulsar]

I need a shower after this

https://tenor.com/view/cinema-gif-5935759059195122434

[tropic urchin]

Go play a real game

Like retail WoW

jk pls dont

[thorn zealot]

i just saw this guy vigorously rail a whopper from bk

[tropic urchin]

What about a phish filet

[thorn zealot]

yeah hopefully not

i respectfully dont want him to lay down the pipe on my filet

[sullen patrol]

where do you buy cases for wooting 60he😭

[thorn zealot]

search up any of these cases this guy said

[sullen patrol]

what about keycaps

[foggy scroll]

Amazon/ali for cheap ones or check https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[tulip rapids]

we hate tofu 60 redux now?

[thorn zealot]

its fine

[tulip rapids]

fine not good enough

i need to hear my kb goon

https://tenor.com/view/amor-gif-9941090423568182263

[thorn zealot]

like this

[tulip rapids]

that snap took me out then the gooning brought me back in

https://tenor.com/view/asmr-cat-gif-21386540

asmr goon board

[thorn zealot]

ur a lost soul 😭 🙏

[tulip rapids]

i sold my soul when i stopped edging and become a D1 Gooner with wooting

[thorn zealot]

ur not a d1 gooner till u goon on ur kb like that other guy

[tulip rapids]

what if i eat the keyboard instead?

[marsh cove]

What light setup should i get....

to make it more COMP

[tulip rapids]

@thorn zealot at least im not this guy

[thorn zealot]

i agree

i want atleast one of my kbs to sound like dookie

[glacial wind]

https://amarancreators.com/pages/amaran-verge-max

To truly get a light that is way more than needed for something you’ll probably never do

Actually the true overkill is to go even sillier and buy an amaran 150c, full light stand with boom arm, large lantern/softbox and basically have $500 worth of film studio lighting just for streaming lol

Meanwhile the actual streamers be using the vague bathroom light shining from their toilet 10 feet away and some Logitech headset mic

[knotty bobcat]

i crank up the leds on my computer for extra lighting lmao

[marsh cove]

ohh like a real professional lighting

yeah nah thats too much LOL

i want a comp set up look

when my wooting mods arrive itll make my setup real COMP

[uneven cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/aris-avoiding-the-puddle-come-on-lets-go-hurry-up-gif-6965851748238164056

Need that aris cam

[cold bloom]

fuck I love that keeb

Im glad you got it so I know it went to a good home

[marsh cove]

IEM or Headphone recommendatiosn for gaming?

[thorn zealot]

what budget

[marsh cove]

lets say $300?

idk just something thats like very good for gaming and basically everything music etc

thats not like $700+

[thorn zealot]

for iems u can get some cheap like zero reds

[marsh cove]

ive had them

anything else?

like something better than the zero reds

[thorn zealot]

theres so many new iems in the sub $300 range

[foggy scroll]

i sent u the fresh reviews IEM tierlist to peek through

he ranks everything based on gaming performance

[thorn zealot]

u can watch like super reviews, the headphone show, and hangout audio for the music part

and fresh reviews like talo said for gaming

but tbh most iems atleast $100 will be good enough for gaming

[marsh cove]

okok thanks alot

[marsh cove]

got you

thanks guys

[thorn zealot]

👍

[wispy vine]

might I suggest a silver/gray holy60 case for your board to match your mouse

[marsh cove]

thank you for the suggestion but ive already bought this

and the optimum keycaps which are grey

it matches my glasspad + mouse

[wispy vine]

great choice, just figured I'd toss idea out there

[marsh cove]

yeah still thank you for the idea

Do you have any recs for a good low profile single monitor arm?

I was looking at the ARCTIC X1-3D on amazon, loved the look but the shipping is $60 dollars for some reason

[trail bane]

Damn

[knotty bobcat]

Gratz!!!!

[chilly mural]

yay

just a couple short to fill 80he

[paper bloom]

Congrats

[trail bane]

POV: you just woke up, and the first thing you saw was not WW3 outside the window

[sand nexus]

Do low profile key caps not feel right on the he60?

[calm pulsar]

they will not be actually lower, you will just see more of the switch below the keycap

[sand nexus]

https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1785658409/whiteblackpurple-low-profile-ansi-non?ref=yr_purchases these are the keycaps does that mean they will still work and feel ok but i might just see more the switch under the keycap?

[calm pulsar]

yup, they will work fine

[sand nexus]

ok that's a relief ty

[fluid ravine]

[calm pulsar]

you got cream all over your desk

benom gets dks and xinput lol

imagine updating your firmware with new features

[fluid ravine]

Me when I finally finishing setting up my setup after a month

Me when I finally get to type on my froggy

[calm pulsar]

it was so nice to type at home after vacation too hehe

[fluid ravine]

[chilly mural]

import export per profile too

it's nice

[fluid ravine]

Typing froggy vs my mx making me reconsider my life decisions if my froggy using foam or not

Froggy deep with that bottom out

[calm pulsar]

foam alone won't give you the depth, it's the case

[fluid ravine]

Got smth to snak on later

Yay

[dapper sonnet]

why are HE swithces so clacky and will there ever be deeper sounding HE switches?

[chilly mural]

https://x.com/fafa_imoshi/status/1937137457642000594?s=46

ふぁいもし／Imoshi (@fafa_imoshi)

Unionwell Polar Pro +マジで音良いな
雑音の無いコトコト感が最高
ちなみにUnionwell Polar RGBの方がほんの少しだけ軸ブレ大きい

X · Jun 23, 2025, 1:15 PM

hjave a listen to this

[fallen pecan]

knob Q1 2026?

[uneven cradle]

upcoming lekker tikkens are pretty deep 👀

[chilly mural]

yep

[lime yew]

https://wooting.io/knobs was on this page as well 😄

[trail bane]

Hype

[trail bane]

Why

Press F to big plush Enter Key🥀

[chilly mural]

if they just want HE, it's fine

The problem comes when he's expecting something 'good' for it

[trail bane]

He’s using membrane keeb

Just a techtok opinion

[chilly mural]

mmm

It's alright

there is always a hidden cost they haven't paid for

[trail bane]

If you are low on the budget get sayo

Their pcb is actually not that bad

Comparing with o3c keypads

They also not that bad butt just a keypad

[chilly mural]

hopefully they make a numpad someday

but it might take until wooting announce it before they actually make one

[ruby hill]

Not much good numpad in the market rn
Like zoom pad and volt

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-crunchy-cat-glasses-cat-luna-glasses-cat-gif-12732289841207803174

[calm pulsar]

not about wooting btw, other companies☝️

[glacial wind]

that's cool. You'll be able to tell us how the helios compares to the poms

[trail bane]

Sure

[glacial wind]

they should be basically poms/rgb but with the track moved to top housing and the newer better magnet

should be same design as the snakes

[tawdry tree]

snak recolor :/

[glacial wind]

yeah

asdasmos did not like his snakes lol

so we'll have one more person to decide if they like the pom or snake design more

[trail bane]

Poms better

More deeper sound

[glacial wind]

i'm more curious about the wobble difference though

asdasmos swore his snakes were wobbler, but the other guy who had them both said they were no different, so we need more feedback

[tropic urchin]

They are definitely more wobbly

Source: my azz

[trail bane]

Hemeeme

[cyan lark]

The part where you died at the end really sold it

They look pretty similar in terms of wobble

[glacial wind]

looks same to me too

[trail bane]

For me
Top wobble: OG > SNK
Bottom wobble: OG </= SNK

[glacial wind]

i'm ready to join the polar bros though if qc is good

[trail bane]

Currently i’m more curious about elf wobble compare to other mx stem switches

this bro has only lekkers and jades

[glacial wind]

i assume it'll be not bad, but who knows

they didn't really go too crazy on the elf king magnet

it seems they're fully transferred over to the new top housing rail design though

since they released that series of rgb switches recently

[glacial wind]

so now they have helios to replace the pom line and rgb king line to replace the kom rgb

[trail bane]

Time…

[glacial wind]

but i'm still not really convinced the new rail design is overall better

so it may be a case of just magnet upgrade but rest is close enough that you can't tell

[trail bane]

I love it

Don’t know why but

[glacial wind]

the polar pros will be first switch i'll commit to trying longer term cause i'm curious if the self leveling thing feels different

[sacred elm]

you already know what will replace it

new gateron switch

#ad

[cyan lark]

That's baiteron

[glacial wind]

winner of the 4 rail award

you're going to have quad rails on all 4 sides

[chilly mural]

can always bring that up

8 rail

[cobalt grove]

Yo guys, quick question. Are the Lekker L70 switches not being sold anymore? If so, which switch is comparable?

[tawdry tree]

L70? 🤔

[glacial wind]

they sell springs to make your switches l70 if you want

[tawdry tree]

L60 is only 10g less so why not go with those

there are new 120g Gateron x Cerakey switches too

that might be a bit much tho

😂

[fallen pecan]

@gaunt plume https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=941479971087 gateron x piifox genbu switch, all pom

[cobalt grove]

I'm used to MX Black

[cobalt grove]

Fair enough. Cheers

[tawdry tree]

😵‍💫😭😵‍💫😭😵‍💫😭😵‍💫

[cobalt grove]

Guess I'll go with L80

[sweet oak]

HIFI SOUND

[cyan lark]

POM on top

[thorn zealot]

Now I just think ur neo is too creamy

[thorn zealot]

Geon added the drag select feature for their software now

[cyan lark]

Oh nice

[gaunt plume]

Gateron Full POM Sakura recolor🤨

[polar girder]

Lolz

[chilly mural]

Pom is the BOMB

[tawdry tree]

https://youtu.be/4x29MIazPCY

[polar girder]

Alexotos said his favorite analog switch keyboard was ducky x one mini

Induction

Best feel

WHAT SAY YOU???

[oak jewel]

notification gang

[tawdry tree]

He hasn’t tried that much yet so I forgive him.

[polar girder]

Meh

[polar girder]

lol

[glacial wind]

i think he's grading on feel alone so that's perfectly valid

[tawdry tree]

within the scope of what he tried, it’s possible that those are the best feeling switches

[polar girder]

Pretty much yeah

[chilly mural]

mmm, I like the 'nothing' one

[tawdry tree]

same

[glacial wind]

interesting with the sound test for 60he v2 i forgot with the split spacebar you won't have spacebar sounding far off rest of keys. I wonder if that will have a side effect of people thinking the stock v2 sounds better due to spacebar

[tawdry tree]

surprisingly

[chilly mural]

Not too high pitched like Silicone, not too deep like EPDM, has a nice echo because there's... nothing.

I think not having a big spacebar makes it better

[tidal frigate]

What they did to Sander

[glacial wind]

yeah a lot of newer folks to scene won't realize big spacebars just sound different normally, so this kind of bypasses that happening

can't be confused about spacebar sound if you don't have a big spacebar

[tawdry tree]

sander enjoying japan

[chilly mural]

lmao, it's like avoiding your problem by doing completely different thing rather than the norm. Can't have college debt if you never go to college.

[tawdry tree]

no time for vids

[glacial wind]

the perfect solution

[tawdry tree]

and you can still use different switches if you want your spacebar to sound different

[sacred elm]

epdm is nice, no foam is also good

silicon meh

[tawdry tree]

I have never liked silicone

not in case

so mid

[chilly mural]

No big spacebar, no thing inside, and no bitches, the perfect trinity.

this makes me wonder how the knob sound when being pressed

[trail bane]

… Better.

[cloud pivot]

yeah the only time i ever did a silicone pour was for my hhkb pro 2

but the clackiness increase worked nicely with the naturally deep sounds of topre

and i wanted a good + easy solution for dampening the hollowness of hhkb cases with silicone pour offered

[trail bane]

Damn!

[cloud pivot]

hol up this might be fire for the spacebar

[tawdry tree]

silicone pour is interesting. I wonder if the sound changes when you give it texture

like those silent rooms yk

[tawdry tree]

rather do spring swap for a single switch

[cloud pivot]

doubt itd be much tbh

[tawdry tree]

ye prob not

[cloud pivot]

i only particularly care about pour for killing hollowness on plastic cases

hollow + plastic = fireworks generator

they are all so fkin loud

[tidal frigate]

Thats what calder whats you to think

[glacial wind]

i feel like the true church of wooting truth wouldn't need to ask about where sander is

[tidal frigate]

Obviously it is known. He is locked in calder basement

[chilly mural]

Forced to do Tikken taste test until it taste just right

when they finalized the spring, he's def going to be in a woot vid

[glass comet]

thoughts on the 60he v2 sound test? is it

[tidal frigate]

Well, wonder why they didnt give me few

[thorn zealot]

Some of the better he builds I heard, even though its deeper than what I would do

[chilly mural]

I like it when the case have nothing. It has a nice balance along with an echo.

[sacred elm]

sounds good, stabs are mid but its probably because of early unit

[stray tiger]

@thorn zealot NK sale starts tomorrow:

Alright, The big keycap sale starts tomorrow at 10am. Here is what will be on sale:

$40 Base Kits
Cherry Taro,
Cherry Olivia,
Cherry Flowershop,

$65 Base Kits
CYL Metropolis,
CYL Dots,
CYL Honor,
CYL Oblivion,
CYL Awaken,
CYL Fright Club,
CYL Parcel,
CYL Truffelschwein,
CYL Nord,
Key Kobo VOC,
Key Kobo Signet,
Key Kobo Abyss,
Key Kobo Glacier,
KAM Playground,

$99 Base Kits
CYL Tako,
CYL Panels,
CYL Modern Materials,
CYL Extended 2048,
CYL Art,
CYL Mars Cadet,
CYL Shinseiki,
CYL Creme,
CYL Tribal,
CYL Griseann,

$110 Base Kits
CYL Blue Alert,
CYL Carbon,
CYL Phantom,
CYL FTRO,
CYL Winkler,
CYL Any Keys,
MTNU Dolch,

50% off Kits
KAM Superuser,
KAM Lil Dragon,
KAM Ghost,
Most GMK Child Kits (excludes Black Snail, Darling, and Rascals),

[chilly mural]

holy shit

[stray tiger]

That $65 Oblivion kit is a great deal for sure.

[tropic urchin]

North Korea has keycaps now?? 😳

[chilly mural]

yes, they got drip

[thorn zealot]

Again 😭

[stray tiger]

With the 50% child kits you could score all of Mars cadet for $50-60 less than I paid

[solar tundra]

60HE V2 sounds rly good

EPDM Foam/Empty Sound the best IMO

[sacred elm]

yes

[static aurora]

I hope in the near future they'll provide a kit for the 80HE to have that friction fit / FR4 / EPDM foam approach. I cannot stand the PC / Silicone stuff.

[glacial wind]

you can buy those types of kits already on aliexpress

I’m fairly sure keyboard fun shop has a kit for that

I think the problem is more it has to be cut a certain format and layered right to not cause issues with actuation though, so not many folks have tried those kits due to them being problematic in the past

[tawdry tree]

Poron gasket pad
https://a.aliexpress.com/_ExiVlJY

[cloud pivot]

Hello Dear. Wishing you a happy life 🥰

[stray tiger]

Thank you.

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/aliexpress-aliexpress-seller-wish-taobao-gif-23309035

[sacred elm]

ok friend

[thorn zealot]

If I can get the price to that then I will def cop

How much did u spend for the entire set

[stray tiger]

Full price

[polar girder]

Interesting

I wasn’t that impressed

[solar tundra]

The Foam sounds good imo

For a Stock Keyboard it def sounds rly good

Imo

[thorn zealot]

So like $200 I think

I’ll prob just get the base for $99

[glacial wind]

Yeah for a stock HE keyboard I don’t really know what else could be improved there really for sound

the v2 seems great there

[polar girder]

There’s still just too much switch noise IMO

It doesn’t sound bad, for sure

I just want a smoother, quieter switch

And I use TTC POM

[tropic urchin]

Just use Raeds dawg

🥀

[polar girder]

I don’t think that’s a better switch

I gave up on quiet at all costs in name of just going for the best switch

Idk if it’s top out or bottom out or spring or what I’m hearing in v2 but yeah

[tropic urchin]

What do you mean Jakubix glazes it all the time despite not using it

It’s clearly the best

[polar girder]

Mb king

That’s on me

It seems like all around a solid upgrade from v1 for sure tho

So can’t complain

Just don’t think Tikken are game changer

60HE getting a massive upgrade tho

[polar girder]

But TBD

just initial knee jerk reaction from 5 second sound test lol

[glacial wind]

They’re not really supposed to be a game changer, more so wootings version of a top tier he closed bottom switch

So if you’re looking for a different thing to closed bottom he then it’s not going to be that

[polar girder]

lol yeah I mean that’s pretty obvious

The full 4mm travel is neat

But otherwise seems fairly status quo

Idk about top tier. But yeah, again, obviously not sure yet

[glacial wind]

It should be on par with say an owlab ti level switch so I’d say that’s top tier

There’s always going to be sound preferences but long as it’s equal in tolerance as those have mentioned so far plus with a good magnet then it should be top tier

[tropic urchin]

I’ll probably pick some up for 80HE, will need to pick up some more beon bingless springs

[glacial wind]

I think my plan will be running the polar pro+ in 80he and tikken in 60he v2 to compare

[polar girder]

Yeah if that’s true, then yeah.

[marble sierra]

https://x.com/Freewheeler_/status/1937793670511841773

Freewheeler (@Freewheeler_)

Zynoo Y65 凝ってますな
ピンクもあるらしい

X · Jun 25, 2025, 8:43 AM

[polar girder]

Polar pro ?

[polar girder]

Why not ZYWHOO? Lol

[glacial wind]

Yeah they’re a newer switch that’s using a self leveling mechanism built into the switch stem, so theoretically it helps keep magnet more stable if switch wobbles

[marble sierra]

Wonmder if there soft and stiff movement works better than the Owlab one xD

[glacial wind]

Kind of like those things in tall buildings

[polar girder]

Hm that’s curious

Yeah interesting

[glacial wind]

It seems to sound a bit deeper too, but I’ll have to compare them properly once mine arrive

they seem to perform well in initial Chinese tests though in that they are working great at whatever silly 0.005 settings they tried on it

[tropic urchin]

I will be awaiting the schizo wobble testing, they were interesting atleast

[cloud pivot]

those kinda yns are weird asl bro

meanwhile i actually use raeds and i dont like them

[tropic urchin]

Young Nebraska scientists?

[cloud pivot]

young nephews

young jits

[tropic urchin]

Checks out

[cloud pivot]

anyways raeds suck gel pads mog

better availability and has an option for domes that feel like something

[glacial wind]

I’ll be recording some proper sound tests too at some point, there’s some big updates and things coming next Tuesday

[tropic urchin]

You’re not mark sno, stop edging us 🥀

[glacial wind]

If aliexpress could stop sending me the wrong lighting gear that would be nice too

[tropic urchin]

Unless you got an early centerpiece copy

Then we’re talking

[cloud pivot]

are we fr eager for centerpiece

[tropic urchin]

The RGB effects are kinda cool but it stops there for me

[glacial wind]

I still think there should be a betting pool for when that thing actually ships

[cloud pivot]

centerpiece stocking pickems

[glacial wind]

I was predicting no centerpiece until 2026 last year

[tropic urchin]

Biggest issue aside from no mod support is the fact the case is like a 2012 monitor

Holy bezels

[cloud pivot]

i mean no mod support isnt really an upside either if the keyboard is just good

a dalco 959 mini feels better than every other 60 stock

[tropic urchin]

It’s like going to a steakhouse and expecting world class chicken imo

[glacial wind]

Honestly a lot of the typical Chinese wobble testers have stopped testing I think because they realized how dumb some of the tests are once we get beyond 0.01 settings

[tropic urchin]

Or expecting boardzy to know about keyboards or Stephen a smith to know anything about football/MMA

[glacial wind]

I do need to figure out a better solution for storing all these switches though

[tropic urchin]

Trade for a world tier labubu

[glacial wind]

The random bags and boxes of switches everywhere is not going to keep working lol

[tropic urchin]

Nonsense, just keep doubling down until it works

[sacred elm]

put them under the bed

[tropic urchin]

Just like his money excellent idea shf

There’s the kdrama experience coming in!

[glacial wind]

What money. I keep all net worth in fartcoin

the safest of value stores

[tropic urchin]

There’s your issue, you’re not liquid enough to know a better solution

Clouding your judgment

When you could have $100k labubu

Street cred dwindling

Sony lenses cracking as we speak

[glacial wind]

I wonder if they make a Sony labubu

[sacred elm]

kdrama is fire

[tropic urchin]

What about a shf labubu with champion charm for a heart

[sacred elm]

💔

no champ

[tropic urchin]

Nonsense make a pentagram in your room with your labubu

Thru the blood of the innocent all is possibl…

[sacred elm]

i need breeze to hit champ

[tropic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

[polar girder]

Bro is in too deep

[sacred elm]

this pad smells like surströmming, what am I using 💔

[tropic urchin]

Correct

[tropic urchin]

Dawg about to become new Wooting employee with these similes

[glacial wind]

What is his role though

[tropic urchin]

Purple shf to ban the nonbelievers

[tropic urchin]

Toxicity

Easy

[glacial wind]

Maybe he can vibe code as their new frontend dev

[tropic urchin]

His pfp is a giant hammer

[glacial wind]

I saw they’re hiring someone to get their refurbished product stuff sorted too

https://wooting.io/careers/product-refurbishment-specialist-full-time-netherlands

They didn’t mention the biggest perk in that you might get to meet Igor

[tropic urchin]

Forgot about Igor

[glossy pagoda]

What if the next Wooting employee is already here among us?

It could be you, it could be me, it could be any of us!

[thorn zealot]

wait me

[tropic urchin]

I understood that reference

[thorn zealot]

if i was a wooting employee 🥀

[stray tiger]

Wait, could it be me?

[tropic urchin]

You’d perma me so quick

[stray tiger]

I still live in the US so it can't be me

[tropic urchin]

I’d have a geon tag

[glossy pagoda]

The real Wooting employee is the friends we made along the way

[glacial wind]

Jakubix was a wooting plant this entire time

He sows the seeds of confusion so no one can trust any leaks

[thorn zealot]

i would only make kbs to my preference and say fuck everyone else

speedrun to getting fired

[glossy pagoda]

You'd fit right in!

[thorn zealot]

love it

[glacial wind]

Oo swagkeys in Korea is opening a physical store

[sacred elm]

send 60he v2 and we can talk

[glacial wind]

Hrm, I can buy cerakeys at 50% sale tomorrow, is it worth just to have one pair sitting around for random builds

[sacred elm]

no

get gateron x cerakeys instead

[tropic urchin]

Probably not unless you crave the grandma Saran wrap couch look

[glacial wind]

They’re doing 50% off owlabs ti too it seems. Full 50% off everything for their pop up opening sales

[little glen]

Do they have neo65cu at that discount as well

[glacial wind]

Actually yeah

https://swagkeys.notion.site/21df75d5360180569420eee0af09f9b8

All of these on sale at their pop up store tomorrow

I don’t know if exhibition stuff will be on as big discount though

[little glen]

Now to figure out if it even makes sense to ask someone to buy and ship to me

50% off owlabs ti he is cool too

[marble sierra]

Owlab replacement INC

[glacial wind]

I have a feeling maybe stuff marked exhibition isn’t on 50% sale

[little glen]

[stray tiger]

You going? Is it close to you?

[glacial wind]

Yeah it’s only 2 stations away and I wanted to go watch new 28 years later movie at that mall anyway

[uneven cradle]

Korean malls do be hitting different

[glacial wind]

this limited set they're selling is very @spiral canyon

[spiral canyon]

cuuuute

[paper bloom]

Now i wanna go to korea

N thats fire af

[calm pulsar]

is that a book store taking the whole floor

[glacial wind]

it's their thing for that mall brand. They have a giant semi real semi fake bookstore on one whole area

that one hopper posted is their latest one

[calm pulsar]

wow

my gf would go missing in that store

[paper bloom]

All of us wld

Ive been to that place similar

In taiwan

[glacial wind]

they did brag that this one is the size of 46 football stadiums

[paper bloom]

It wasnt as big tho

[glacial wind]

they love their giant malls in korea

[paper bloom]

Nah bro now u making me wanna go to korea

[thorn zealot]

ok i get it the us is a bum compared to korea

stop posting pics that make me want to hop on a plane to korea rn

[crimson sky]

wow, white + light blue, how novel

[calm pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-9980668056796018353

[uneven cradle]

More pics

[thorn zealot]

atleast i get to go to nam soon

[calm pulsar]

love those angles

[sweet oak]

Show them the hamhampangpang

[uneven cradle]

Some hamhampangpang in there somewhere

[tropic urchin]

After Johnny Somali we’re all banned don’t worry

[thorn zealot]

😭

that guy is beyond the spectrum

[sweet oak]

@uneven cradle

[uneven cradle]

Food was good

Not sure I took any photos of it though

[heady dragon]

https://eloquentclicks.com/products/kap-disconnected-dark-keycaps?variant=50114657419602 does this look legit or overpriced dropshipping ?

[uneven cradle]

Legit

[heady dragon]

thanks

[trail bane]

Does Wooting employees have x2 bi***es?

If yes i’m in

[calm pulsar]

careful what you're getting into
you might be given a j*b

[trail bane]

Oh

That’s change everything

I’ll pass and double this offer to the next person

I’m actually want to get a part-time job in Вкусно и Точка(aka Mc)

[north sand]

is the 80he hand or factory lubed

[trail bane]

Hmmm. Maybe if you lube factory lubed thing by yourself it become hand lubed

[north sand]

So the keyboard is factory lubed?

[trail bane]

M yes? Ig

[calm pulsar]

all that while drinking Добрый cola

[trail bane]

It seems that all switches available in the Wooting store are factory-lubed

[honest nacelle]

aight so venom now has feature parity

common geon w

[calm pulsar]

geon 🫵

[honest nacelle]

can't fwd the msg in

[uneven cradle]

Does it worth with Fluxes properly yet

[honest nacelle]

but feature parity

[honest nacelle]

always did

[calm pulsar]

yes, just need to replace your venom every now and then

[honest nacelle]

whar

[uneven cradle]

Controller support?

[honest nacelle]

the stronk magnets didn't affect use

the only time it showed issues was when u were in the debug page tryna see adc numbers

[glacial wind]

Yeah they added it in the recent beta

[calm pulsar]

nothing, just saying nonsense

[glacial wind]

I’m sure the stuff will need some further tweaking but it’s nice that geon finally added dks and analog stuff

[uneven cradle]

Yeah it is neat, glad to see another company adding firmware updates instead of releasing new keyboards with the new firmware and abandoning

[wispy turret]

hey im looking to switch my switches on my 80HE but not sure which switches are compatible. And if i do switch them, would i still be able to use the 0.1 mm actuation point and advanced keys like rappy snappy like how it is on the base switches?

[glacial wind]

I saw wooting modules started popping up in geon store too, so he’s started stocking more and more wooting stuff too

[wispy turret]

anyone down to help im new to this keyboard stuff

[glacial wind]

Hopefully means knobs too in future to save on shipping

The only thing left that I don’t love with the venom last time I played around with one is it relies more on the switch selector to calibrate some switches properly so there’s some slight inaccuracy if your switch doesn’t match an option that well

[uneven cradle]

The keyboard automatically calibrates for the switch so as long as it's compatible all the same features work with every switch

[uneven cradle]

My venom also needs unplugging and plugging back in sometimes which is mildly annoying

Usually after power cycle

[polar girder]

Still no official TTC POM support

Even tho I use them flawlessly

[polar girder]

I haven’t experienced that

[calm pulsar]

but there's nothing specific to support on them? for raeds for example there is a forced deadzone, but for poms just choose whatever has the same travel distance

[glacial wind]

I think he wants them for the better calibration accuracy wise with the magnet

[wispy turret]

can i get some switches reccomendations i like clicky ones but idk which since their are so much

[glacial wind]

Check the faq channel there’s a guide

[wispy turret]

ok thanks

[steady halo]

true

the huge downside about venom is that

[calm pulsar]

I suppose it could be done, but maybe poms are just so stable they don't really require any special adjustments

but would be nice ofc

[steady halo]

and my huge downside about wooting is the standoff

[glacial wind]

Standoff?

[calm pulsar]

I can see there are settings for jades and jade maxes, so there must be some diff calibration

[steady halo]

ye, would be appreciated if the standoff is on the pcb

rather than plate

i know we can use kbdfans standoff

[glacial wind]

It calibrates for magnet differences too, so that’s why sometimes matching switch distance alone doesn’t fully work

[steady halo]

but i'm not a huge fan of it

[honest nacelle]

ngl i doubt theres much, if any actual change

I think the main change for those is just a difference in how it calculates distance

[sweet oak]

https://tenor.com/view/ishmael-limbus-company-fishmael-fish-project-moon-gif-6697387173931684495

[steady halo]

so yeah, i'm moving to venom with mango switches

[honest nacelle]

not necessarily what it consideres noise/movement

[steady halo]

iykyk

[sweet oak]

MangoHE patented crunch technology as distributed by Mango Inc.?

[steady halo]

yesss

waiting for the crunch

[sweet oak]

Crunch to be dispensed soon 🔜

[steady halo]

i really love my wooting, and "was" planning to get the 60he v2...
but i can't help myself to have a "custom" HE keyboard, where i can customize what plate i want without thinking about the standoff (even tho i can purchase from kbdfans) and also more custom case selection

[calm pulsar]

I can already picture when people come here for switch advice and everyone replies "just get crunches bro"

[steady halo]

HAHAHHAHA

mango crunches 🔝

[sweet oak]

It will be a crunchy wave

Call that mf cereal

[steady halo]

mango cereal

[sweet oak]

Bro im literally in chat

[calm pulsar]

by using promo CRUNCH you can get ...

[sweet oak]

As i was gonna say, i will put 3 demo switches variants of our crunchy lineup for my customers in every box of Mango Hooves Crunchy Cereal ™️

[delicate epoch]

Is there a way to add texture to my WASD keys so I avoid pressing the wrong keys? Not sure if there's something here or do I need to figure out another way

[honest nacelle]

grip tape

unironically

[honest nacelle]

grab a benom or rakka

[calm pulsar]

bakka

[honest nacelle]

funnily enough the rakka layout support was used to gaslight this community 😭

[calm pulsar]

looking forward to seeing what they can come up with

[steady halo]

already purchased

venom

[honest nacelle]

benom good

[calm pulsar]

I took that bait too😭

aligner did good with that idea

[honest nacelle]

if wooting ever actually supported layouts like that I'd stop dogging on wooting constantly

but they don't and they gave us some lobotomised layout options instead

no 64-key, no 7u, no split bs, no split rshift, no split lshift

but split space ⁉️

[polar girder]

Yeah I did

But yeah never officially stated

[honest nacelle]

pretty sure geon officially stated that theres a forced 0.3mm deadzone

[calm pulsar]

and a separate pcb at that😭

but im past that alrdy

[honest nacelle]

yea idk

idk why ppl are dogging on rakka "oH bUt YoU hAvE tO cLiP pIns"

[sweet oak]

Next will be the crunch revolution

[honest nacelle]

yea i'll clip one pin if I get the absurdity that is rakka altus layout support

at better perf than wooting too

[polar girder]

For TTC POM?

[honest nacelle]

oh not for pom

[polar girder]

Just in general?

[honest nacelle]

no for the raeds 😭

[polar girder]

lol oh

Ok

Yeah fk Raeds

I’m not Chad enough for Raeds

[calm pulsar]

yeah honestly I remember half of my raws used to have no legs after doing a ton of different venom builds, but I never noticed any issues, especially on a dense plate like fr4 or alu

[honest nacelle]

what

[calm pulsar]

or what pins did you mean lol

[steady halo]

(2)

[calm pulsar]

I thought you meant you have to cut switch legs on rakka for some layouts

[glacial wind]

I need to find my bubble chart that I made in those aligner vs manabank discussions for crossover of people who care about tsangan layout vs total wooting customer base

[honest nacelle]

yea

you do

[tawdry tree]

they could’ve just done a specific key with shorter mounting pins for space/the 1.25u key

[honest nacelle]

only one leg and its for like the middle switch for 7u split

[tawdry tree]

non optional split space is a fucking crime

[glacial wind]

Please not this again

[steady halo]

but isn't rakka fw support dead already?

[honest nacelle]

what

I literally get weekly updates

on a 2yo board

[tawdry tree]

it’s one pin for 6.25 and 1.25

[uneven cradle]

On Venom it is

[honest nacelle]

wym

on wooting?

or rakka

[tawdry tree]

woot

[glacial wind]

we get it. You and hardcore custom mod crew love tsangan and similar niche formats and believe your preference is the best. Please let’s not try to gaslight everyone again into pretending it’s popular outside of that niche

[tawdry tree]

rakka doesn’t force people into choosing something they never used before

🔥🔥

[honest nacelle]

its by and far more popular than split space

[tawdry tree]

😴

[sacred elm]

then use rakka bruh

[glacial wind]

Yeah and both are fractions of a percent in niche

[honest nacelle]

i'm actually astounded that with wooting's engineering team they couldn't do multilayout

[sacred elm]

is wooting forcing you to use the board or what

[glacial wind]

The general public does not care about these enthusiast layouts that require different typing memory

[honest nacelle]

and you get ppl like rakka and geon doing better performing pcbs that offer multilayout

[calm pulsar]

but did anyone really say that it is popular? more like people just wanted some support for layout options and got something that seems even more niche

[honest nacelle]

and yet one 'fraction of a percent' is dramatically larger than the other

[tawdry tree]

I don’t believe they couldn’t, they just didn’t

or didn’t even consider it

idfk

[honest nacelle]

I can't even name someone who unironically uses split space and i can list 10 ppl off the top off my head using tsangan

[glacial wind]

Yeah you weren’t here for that - that’s a big part of aligners whole thesis

[tawdry tree]

what

[glacial wind]

And those 10 people are mostly in a very niche private or semi private group on discord

[steady halo]

really?

[glacial wind]

Out of how many hundreds of thousands of people

[tawdry tree]

both split space and tsangan would be “popular” if woot does it tbh

[honest nacelle]

yes really haha

would you like me to show you

[steady halo]

because old rakka tkl doesn't get updates, that's geon take over

[honest nacelle]

??? bro 7u is probably the most common of the 'niche' layouts

[steady halo]

i thought the fw is dead

[honest nacelle]

actually not probably

it is

[glacial wind]

Yeah but anything wooting did would be popular by definition because of their customer base being so big

[honest nacelle]

oh tahts a bit diff

that's not rakka's tkl

[calm pulsar]

if I were wooting and did tsangan I would just pitch the bigger alt as better/easier to hit for gamers

[honest nacelle]

that's a venom, designed by rakka

[steady halo]

i thought the normal 60% is dead as well

[steady halo]

ahhh

i see

[glacial wind]

Not even venom sells that many 7u layouts compared to 6.25u

[honest nacelle]

it most definitely is not

[glacial wind]

And that’s super enthusiast group buying venoms

[steady halo]

good to know

[honest nacelle]

oh yea no i know

[glacial wind]

Where’s my bubble overlap diagram gone

[honest nacelle]

6.25 sells abt 8x the 7u

[steady halo]

now i need to think

[honest nacelle]

but I can guarantee that if geon offered split space it would sell a fraction of 7u

[steady halo]

about which venom 60 to get

6.25 or 7u

[glacial wind]

We get it and I agree tsangan is cool and it would be neat to have it as an option. But let’s not pretend that it’s a big market at all

[honest nacelle]

never said it was a big market

[glacial wind]

It’s a tiny tiny market especially once you leave the hardcore custom community

[honest nacelle]

but its definitely bigger than split space

and wooting is definitely big enough to be able to do multilayout

[calm pulsar]

its all water under the bridge for me, im still looking forward to Tikkens though

[glacial wind]

big enough and it being a good business decision are different things

[tawdry tree]

the main point was that it not being option is ridiculous

besides that, it’s the wrong split

[glacial wind]

Why?

[tawdry tree]

and beside besides that, it’s stacking niches on niches

[honest nacelle]

if anything its more costly to have multiple skus for each variant of their 60v2.

[tawdry tree]

more so than tsangan would

[honest nacelle]

you even suggesting otherwise is ridiculous and you know it

[glacial wind]

we know why wooting did the split, Calder said it straight up because it suits gaming wasd usage

[honest nacelle]

please explain that

cuz that's some of the weirdest cope i've ever seen

[glacial wind]

Because they wanted to experiment with this split variant for their own reasons and belief that it suits a certain gaming niche

Tsangan doesn’t have that same justification

[honest nacelle]

and having multiple skus doesn't have any justification

[tawdry tree]

user commitment required, SKUs

[glacial wind]

What? They literally said why they did it

[honest nacelle]

that "certain gaming niche" is smaller than the enthusiast niche that wants 7u

[tawdry tree]

user commitment being the biggest hinderance for it to take off

[honest nacelle]

and that "certain gaming niche" would almost certaintly rather not being locked to one layout, and be able to swap to regular 6.25 without having to buy a new pcb

[glacial wind]

Because to offer prebuilt the way they want to they couldn’t do less sku and put it into one although they very much wanted to

[calm pulsar]

the sheer wiring of the RGB headlights in Wooting probably prevents them from accommodating layout options on the PCB

[glacial wind]

You’re arguing something totally different while having been absent for the why wooting went with multiple sku discussion

[honest nacelle]

yes and the PCB doesn't have to be different

[uneven cradle]

Right and the gaming keyboard is trying something new that benefits gamers more than the 12 current split spacebar users that are also into enthusiast gaming keyboards

[honest nacelle]

but the config its assembled in does

[glacial wind]

It did. They literally explained why

[tawdry tree]

non-issue, the split only has 3 LEDs under space (3 below each, not 5 like the regular has)

[glacial wind]

They even said they wanted to get it to one pcb

[honest nacelle]

?? I don't have to be present for me to know that having ONE SKU for the pcb is going to be an objectively cheaper option than having FOUR

[glacial wind]

But that it wasn’t doable

[honest nacelle]

and that's bullshit

and you know it

[glacial wind]

You’re discussion a totally different topic now

[honest nacelle]

if you have ppl like geon and rakka doing one pcb

with better performance

[glacial wind]

It’s not about money spent

You’re completing confusing and conflating 2 separate topics

[honest nacelle]

no - one sku is objectively a better decision

if you can lower manufacturing costs by only making one pcb

and just assembling it differently

according to the different models

that's cheaper than having 4 skus for 4 different assembled models

[glacial wind]

D please stop for one second

you're trying to discuss 2 topics as one

one of which i'm not even talking about

There's 2 separate topics:
1: Why wooting chose to do their split variant
2: Why wooting couldn't get both split and non split into one pcb

the 2 things were not done for the same reasonings

[honest nacelle]

they weren't done with any reasoning

but you already explained 1

wooting wanted to try some random bullshit layout

fine

i'm not gonna discuss or argue lobotomised decision making

can't change whats set in stone right

but 2: doesn't have an answer other than either A) wooting is lazy, or B) wooting didn't think before making it

[tawdry tree]

not when the chisel is lost too

😭

[glacial wind]

i think saying anything you disagree with is lobotomised decision making makes you come off insanely arrogant and dismissive but sure.

as for 2: Wooting had issues fitting split and non split into one pcb due to it just literally not fitting without compromises they didn't want to make

[honest nacelle]

actually this is A) the first time I've even used that phrase, and B) theres NO logical reasoning for choosing an extremely niche layout, and ignoring the entire enthusiast section of your fanbase and using the "it works better for some gamers argument

[glacial wind]

such as needing to use plate mount stabs or cutting legs off non wooting switches

[honest nacelle]

and yet, rakka does it all

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glacial wind]

actually there is logical reasoning if you believe the gamers side is bigger than the incredibly niche side that wants a different split spacebar or tsangan layout

[honest nacelle]

plus - I do not care if you think I'm arrogant and/or dismissive.

[glacial wind]

clearly.

[honest nacelle]

the amount of gamers that care for split space is next to none

[honest nacelle]

objectively it will be a smaller portion that care abt split space vs 7u

[glacial wind]

rakka doesn't do prebuilts, which is the literal reason why wooting had big issues simplifying it

[honest nacelle]

idk why you're arguing the contrary

[glacial wind]

because you guys both miss the point that the experimental segment that wooting is playing with may be bigger than the known very tiny portion of gamers that want aligners version of split or tsangan

and that's the risk wooting is happy to take to try out this layout

[tawdry tree]

the tradeoff of having a single PCB (that requires a different switch or 3rd party switch legs to be cut with household scissors) or 4 PCBs and forcing customers to commit, seems like an easy choice to me

that’s what I don’t get

[honest nacelle]

if 👏 the 👏 pcb 👏 supports 👏 it, 👏 prebuilding 👏 it 👏 is 👏 nominally 👏 more 👏 difficult

[uneven cradle]

Does rakka even support ISO doesn't that isolate way more people

[honest nacelle]

yes

[glacial wind]

rakka literally quit prebuilts over a simple stab issue

[tawdry tree]

and calder saying stabs are the issue kinda seemed like it wasn’t even considered

[uneven cradle]

Does venom support ISO?

[honest nacelle]

venom doesn't

[tawdry tree]

No

[glacial wind]

so how come rakka doesn't do prebuilts?

[sweet oak]

Ansi > iso

[honest nacelle]

because they're making pcbs for enthusiasts first

[calm pulsar]

if Wooting took a risk and did tsangan layout they would've gotten at least 1 (one) guaranteed sale (from me)

[honest nacelle]

and also ahve a much smaller market

[tawdry tree]

The only mutlilayout support venom does is split backspace iirc

[honest nacelle]

but they've proven that its possible to do so without sacrifice

[glacial wind]

ah so you're saying they had to sacrifice something to target their chosen demographic

yet when wooting chooses to do the same you say "it's doable they should just do it"

[honest nacelle]

and wooting is sacrificing braincells to target a niche smaller than rakka's chosen demographic

[glacial wind]

is it a smaller niche though?

[honest nacelle]

rakka's main issue was user error

not engineering error

[tawdry tree]

they’re not targeting the people that use split space

[marble sierra]

Ansi should be the only way 🙏

[honest nacelle]

wooting is claiming engineering error

[tawdry tree]

they’re targeting the people that don’t

but still

[honest nacelle]

...

[glacial wind]

you're missing the point as aligner pointed out

they're not targeting split users

[tawdry tree]

you can’t do that by forcing people to commit to a layout imo

[glacial wind]

they're targeting gamers who might be open to using split on wasd

[honest nacelle]

rakka supports jst/oring, several multilayouts and the main issue is user error

[calm pulsar]

I recommend dropping ISO support whatsoever and move resources to support more layout options on ANSI

[honest nacelle]

and thus are forcing them to choose between 6.25 and split

[glacial wind]

rakka literally never did full prebuilts

[sweet oak]

Id be interested in this proposition

[honest nacelle]

I'd be almost willing to bet that the 6.25 sells more than 10x more than split

[honest nacelle]

they did actually

but their manu wasn't able to keep up with demand

[tawdry tree]

that I don’t get either, 60he v2 not support db (maybe I can understand it as not many would use it) but no gummy is just..

[honest nacelle]

and they ceebs finding a new one so they stopped doing prebuilts

[glacial wind]

oh so you're saying there are manu issues with prebuilts that complicates things?

[tawdry tree]

obv, way more than 10x

[glacial wind]

interesting that it's okay for rakka to give that up but you target wooting for not giving that up

[honest nacelle]

wooting is probs like 100x the size of rakka

they have their own manus

they have their own factories

[glacial wind]

but it's so easy and doable you said

[honest nacelle]

and a dev team probably bigger than rakka's entire employee base

[glacial wind]

why doesn't rakka do it

[honest nacelle]

yes i'm expecting more from them

[tawdry tree]

comparing this shit to rakka isn’t really helpful

[honest nacelle]

not less

[tawdry tree]

HM would be better as they actually did it in a proper way

somewhat

they did it first as well

[honest nacelle]

rakka has done it - they've done better latency, better accuracy, better layout support, better mounting support

[glacial wind]

anyhow back to the actual point, you keep missing the point that the potential segment wooting is targeting isn't 'niche split spacebar users who want the reverse split layout'

[honest nacelle]

and their main issue is user error

[glacial wind]

they're targeting the 'oh i don't know wtf a split is but okay let's try it'

[honest nacelle]

oh that's ur point?

kind of paltry tbh

[placid wagon]

You two should 1v1 in Fortnite; whoever wins is right.

[tawdry tree]

but expecting those people to commit to a layout they never used (and forcing them to give up space to do so) is fucking insane

[honest nacelle]

ah yes most users will want to drop 200 bucks on a layout they don't know if they'll like and have never tried

[cyan lark]

Seconded

[honest nacelle]

just on a whim

[honest nacelle]

don't need to waste my time

[glacial wind]

sure, but that's a 3rd topic which we can't discuss before discussing the second topic first

[honest nacelle]

discord channels are where he does his best fighting

[glacial wind]

i'm sorry i can't badmouth other brands and get into petty fights on x I guess.

[honest nacelle]

actually that's well part of the 2nd topic

[steady halo]

sorry to answer this sno,
but i think their point is wrong a bit...
they should've made it cross support so people can try the layout without committing to a layout they will dislike

[honest nacelle]

^^^

[tawdry tree]

that falls under it not being optional, i.e mutli layout support

[honest nacelle]

yep

[honest nacelle]

everyone says the same thing

[glacial wind]

i'm not arguing that - i absolutely agree that it would be better

[honest nacelle]

but i'm apparently arrogant and dismissive to for saying the same thing

[glacial wind]

that's why it's confusing because aligner is trying to argue a 3rd point which i'm not debating at all

[tawdry tree]

???

[tawdry tree]

^^^

[glacial wind]

and D is mixing up my point because he's confusing when i'm talking to aligner vs him

[steady halo]

if they want to make a new layout, it should've been "we want people to try the new layout, but you have to cut 1 of the switch legs and u have to purchase extra stabs & plate

it could've been easier for them to make as well since they will have less sku

but what can we do rn?

we can only accept the decision they made

[glacial wind]

see that's where I disagree. I think it should have more been to find a way to do that without those sacrifices, but they weren't able to do that

[honest nacelle]

I know for a fact they could've just had a plate that supports both

[steady halo]

all we can do is just accept what they will give to the market

[honest nacelle]

lmfao no

[glacial wind]

making people purchase extra stabs and plate is already too far for a large majority of people to ever overcome that friction

[tawdry tree]

they could’ve made tikkens with shorter mounting pins and problem solved (there are no cones to shorter mouthing pins either)

[honest nacelle]

when better options exist I just steer ppl towards things made with more thought

[steady halo]

and hope for the future updates on the new version of items

it's kinda useless to talk about the split spacebar guys

[tawdry tree]

“90% of people”

😭

[steady halo]

since they have made their decision

[steady halo]

the layout is not for everyone either, "if" the user wants to try it.

[tawdry tree]

“set in stone but stone can be chiseled” I still have hope

[steady halo]

and most people will not think about changing their mind as well

[glacial wind]

yeah i don't disagree

[steady halo]

more like "woah, if I'm bored.. maybe i will try the extra layout they gave us"

[glacial wind]

i think maybe you might have thought i disagreed because aligner was trying to talk about that 3rd thing while i was talking to d about that other stuff

[steady halo]

more like that kind of way

[steady halo]

ahh, nooo

[glacial wind]

we've had this discussion before that almost all of us agree that 1 pcb would have been cooler and better

[tawdry tree]

that’d be the way to do it

as did hm

[glacial wind]

less friction etc

[tawdry tree]

then you actually get many people trying it out

[steady halo]

i was just trying to end this endless debate

[calm pulsar]

I get that it would've been nicer to do less actions to be able to switch layouts, but you still need to move switches and keycaps around, and on top of that some additional stabs (depending on layout)

so at least some sacrifices are needed I think

[steady halo]

[tawdry tree]

rather than a few that really want to try it out and make such a commitment

[marble sierra]

When you open discord to see a huge debate 🤣

[steady halo]

or maybe wooting can make a new kit, "split spacebar kit" that contains stabs, plate, and friction fit

[glacial wind]

yeah that's where i disagree with aligner and D because i haven't seen someone suggest a great no sacrifices method yet

[steady halo]

more money

[honest nacelle]

yea I'd rather the main sacrifice being made is my time than spending another 200usd 'just to try' split space

fuckin awful reasoning

by that same logic wooting isn't expecting to sell many split space at all

[steady halo]

easy extra money imo

[honest nacelle]

so then why move it into mass production ⁉️

[glacial wind]

their reasoning always seems to boil down to "well my particular hardcore peripheral group thinks this is the way and we know better than other groups so i'm right" which is very hard to reason or talk with

[honest nacelle]

the fuck is this even meant to mean

[steady halo]

rather than mass producing a new pcb and get less money

[glacial wind]

your suggestion of "just figure out a way" isn't a solution lol

[tawdry tree]

you know more people would try it out if they had the option to, that’s not a fact but it’s a certainty.

all that is worth it

[glacial wind]

give an actual solution if it's so doable. one without sacrifices that would cause just as many issues

[honest nacelle]

well see here's the thing

[steady halo]

i hope they can fix it for future pcb refresh

[honest nacelle]

its not an engineering issue

that prevents multilayout

theres no sacrifices to be made

hemu quite literally supports it

[tawdry tree]

you don’t even have to install stabs to try it out

[placid wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-thing-fantastic-four-first-steps-f4-richie-the-bear-here's-the-thing-gif-10866717939802756885

[glacial wind]

of course - but how do you achieve it without the whole cut legs off or swap stabs compromise

[tawdry tree]

that’s only for third party switches

[honest nacelle]

👏 hemu 👏

[steady halo]

like this @glacial wind

[tawdry tree]

so what you’re doing is you already expect everyone to use 3rd party switches

[steady halo]

more money for wooting

[glacial wind]

that's not a bad suggestion honestly, if it's doable that way that is

[tawdry tree]

while at the same time assuming everyone is a normie

[steady halo]

i think that's the way they will take, if they decide to make a multi layout pcb

[honest nacelle]

wont work bc the pcb doesn't support it

[polar girder]

lol what are you guys even “debating”

[steady halo]

almost the same as custom mech rn

[honest nacelle]

and if the pcb does support multiple layouts you still have to take out switches

[tawdry tree]

that’s exactly what hm did 😭

and what has already been said

[calm pulsar]

that cs is better than valorant

[marble sierra]

Life after this I think

[tawdry tree]

the stabs are a non iissue

entirely

[steady halo]

but ngl, the tournaments and such yes

[glacial wind]

tl;dr D believes he knows better than everyone else about keyboard manufacturing

[steady halo]

more fun to watch

[glacial wind]

and marketing etc etc

[tawdry tree]

it’s the mounting pins of the switches conflicting with the sensors

[honest nacelle]

lmfao thanks for glazing me again jed

never said I know more than everyone about kb manu and marketing

[steady halo]

now, rather than we talk about split spacebar...
can someone help me choose between 6.25u & 7u?

[glacial wind]

just wooting right?

[steady halo]

[honest nacelle]

but I don't have to be the smartest in the room to know when wooting makes bad decisions

[tawdry tree]

if it has been done already..

[honest nacelle]

7u 7u 7u 7u 7u 7u 7u

[steady halo]

multiple answers would be appreciated

[polar girder]

Well I hit space bar with right thumb so Wooting split space is a no go for me

[glacial wind]

the thing is the sacrifices always suggested are not always super viable for people not in the hardcore mod space

[polar girder]

7u

[calm pulsar]

imagine an HE switch-pcb structure when the stem goes through the pcb like on MX, with sensors being on the side
any layout would probably be easy to achieve this way (except for ISO but no one cares about it)

[glacial wind]

i see your bait and i dodge it

[steady halo]

okayyy

7u it is

[polar girder]

lol what bait

I mean I know that dead horse has also been beat

But I’m not trolling

[glacial wind]

don't get aligner started on the right thumb thing again

we'll be here all day

[steady halo]

tofu redux, cf plate, foam set, typeplus, cable, now left only the switches

[tawdry tree]

mutli layout support is the strength of HE and TMR, it’s ridiculous that there are so little boards that do it

[polar girder]

lol ok but it’s my actual situation too

Like I might try it if not for that

Having both sides be equal length makes more sense to me

[tawdry tree]

it wasn’t designed for you 🥀

[calm pulsar]

yeah honestly I will just lay back and enjoy whatever other manus come up with, right now looking at what rakka will do

[glacial wind]

and i respect you for not subjecting us to 5 years of 'why wooting should change their keyboard for your usage niche'

[polar girder]

Inductive?

[calm pulsar]

only for real bamers😎

[polar girder]

lol cheers

[tawdry tree]

[calm pulsar]

maybe, but I've seen the ducky ones and they seem atrocious

cause there's still no bottom out like on MX

[uneven cradle]

The ducky seems pretty rough

[glacial wind]

i mean the thing is all of these 'discussions' all come down to "well I use my keyboard like this and I represent this group/niche and I believe the way we think of keyboards and usage is better" and it gets hard to ever have the discussion if the argument is just "well I'm right because I know better and if you disagree you're wrong and braindead"

[tawdry tree]

magmech too

ducky is shit

[tawdry tree]

top 1 ragebaiter in this server icl