🔧│keyboard_modding

[tropic urchin]

im also bardstuck dont play valorant

or in this case sardstuck

[thorn zealot]

sard

[night atlas]

love this for u

hoping it happens to me

[thorn zealot]

idk how far u are in nine sols

but theres this one sect that would make me bust if i had oled

[tropic urchin]

I wasnt sure where to go so I looked to see where the start was and found my way

got to the bell room with the weird solarian lookin mfer

so prob not close to it

[thorn zealot]

yeah ur not there yet

but once u do

be prepared with a new pair of pants

[tropic urchin]

Jagged Peaks in ER DLC has spoiled me for OLED environment supremacy so will be waiting

[thorn zealot]

and also this same sect also has someone with massive jiggle physics

[tropic urchin]

speaking of massive jiggle physics i need to play stellar blade

[thorn zealot]

just searched the game up and i understand

[tropic urchin]

just came out on PC 1-2 days ago to overwhelmingly positive so good denuvo port which is rare

[tropic urchin]

lore accurate Sno glass pad

[thorn zealot]

im on my 2nd nine sols playthrough rn

when she giggles once it jiggles 2x more

[tropic urchin]

I got some platformers to play before silksong releases

9 Bols + Bollow knight

[wispy vine]

Gotta have the perfect giggle to jiggle ratio

[fluid ravine]

same here

mmm foam

[cyan lark]

Good news silksong is never releasing

[fluid ravine]

i miss my ben0m

i hope my benom is being taken well cared of

[tropic urchin]

gives me time to play the other ones

[fluid ravine]

oh and my gmk blacksnails and hmx 1989 are safe and sound @thorn zealot

[tropic urchin]

nope i have them

[fluid ravine]

[fluid ravine]

grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[tropic urchin]

typing on them as we speak

[fluid ravine]

ima whack you with my neo

:(

[thorn zealot]

hopefully better than my wooting

[tropic urchin]

the benom is being taking well cared of

[fluid ravine]

idk mane

my wooting is in the midst of being touched by a oily gaymer as well phish

i wonder how my gmk 80082 is doing

probably shining brighter than the stars

[thorn zealot]

my cream set turned into gmk boneyard by my friend🥀

[fluid ravine]

your gmk modern?

[fluid ravine]

wootium ashes

[thorn zealot]

no he turned beige/cream color keycaps to gray from his grime

[fluid ravine]

i hope for your friend to never lay a finger on me

🌹 -> 🥀

[kind sky]

shrink tube mod on stabs so nice

[cloud pivot]

get a cipulot pcb and sell those 2

[grizzled carbon]

yo guys, im looking for a cheap case to build my wooting60he in, any recommendations? Im from europe

[polar girder]

Man TTC POM on Aluminum is a pleasure to type on.

I wish Wooting sold the stock plastic case separate, NGL

[stray tiger]

Totally different switches. Long pole vs full travel, closed bottom vs open bottom.

If gaming is your priority the Lekker v2's are great. Ultimately personal preference but I'd you're used to the travel of the v1's the v2's will feel similar

[sacred elm]

Get Owlab Ti's instead

They are improved Raws

[stray tiger]

Not that they are better or worse but if you're already using full travel switches and all you care about is gaming, then smthe v2's will feel the same

Fatigue would typically be from spring weight and not travel diatance. Although sometimes shorter travel can be worse as you're bottoming out much more quickly.

[sacred elm]

Its better but still way worse than other options

Have you checked TTC KOM RGB?

They are very tight

and have great RGB

Wooting sells them

KOMs arent the best sounding tho, but if you hand lube them, they are ok

No, they have completely different sound profile. Loud and clacky.

They will sound cleaner than Lekker v1s. Lekkers are chattery mess due to huge amount of stem wobble.

[cloud pivot]

did someone get banned

[sacred elm]

No

[jade storm]

all messages gone

[noble mason]

are there any new switches in development

[sacred elm]

Gateron is releasing a switch with new molds, so it wont be another recolored jade pro

[noble mason]

thought this was a wooting for a sec i was like what witchcraft did u use

[noble mason]

please have other materials than POM stem, PC top, Nylon bottom 🙏

[sacred elm]

It will have POM stem and bottom, PC top

[noble mason]

are u deadass

[sacred elm]

Yes

[thorn zealot]

i mean u can almost do this in a wooting too

[noble mason]

what’s it called

[sacred elm]

We dont know yet

It shouldve been POM top but they changed it, for RGB 🤓 ☝️

[noble mason]

tbf we already had an all POM switch

[quasi hinge]

Buddys gf looking to get pink he switches, which would be the ‘better’ one of these 2

And they gotta be pink lol

Paired with og wooting 60he

[fallen pecan]

throw in the sakura poms too

[quasi hinge]

Ill have to see if those are locally available

Who makes them

[marsh saffron]

the herz are same as ti he iirc

if so those are very good

[untold wigeon]

both have different sound profile imo

herz is a mid pitched clack

while ur studio is deep

[quasi hinge]

Forgetting sound, what would be the most stable?

[untold wigeon]

the same

u won't notice any difference in terms of stability

[quasi hinge]

Which would you get

[untold wigeon]

ngl

i like mid pitch clack bcs of HE

but if i was transitioning from deep mech switches, then i would get the urstud

[quasi hinge]

How come

[untold wigeon]

because ur stud switches have a deeper sound profile

i suggest to buy a tester first tho

[quasi hinge]

If they are coming from geon raws

The herz are 3.3

[untold wigeon]

herz if they were using raws before

[quasi hinge]

Okay ty

[jade prairie]

gateron moonlight HE?

[sacred elm]

No

[jade prairie]

why

geon lucifer he thats tuff

[sacred elm]

Because its just jade pro recolor, boring

[jade prairie]

oh

almost affordable glasspads damm

[sacred elm]

cant get any cheaper

[fallen pecan]

gateron

[glacial wind]

There’s new phylina thunderflash pro too that’s pink

They’re box stems too if you care about that

Also ttc magneto love which is their pink version of magneto rgb

[sacred elm]

phylina better

[jade prairie]

buying switches based on color seems silly

[glacial wind]

never argue against a significant other who wants a specific color

this is a life lesson

the phylina "flashning powder"

[sacred elm]

@glacial wind saeroyi has maximum aura and he is still farming wtf

[glacial wind]

the entire drama is him never stopping farming

[sacred elm]

[jade prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/sousou-no-frieren-frieren-reading-book-reading-in-bed-gif-629956342378575028

[quasi hinge]

Thanks but none available and needed at short notice

[quasi hinge]

Got the Herz, factory lubed they said for wooting get the 900g instead of 700 for some reason

[sacred elm]

Both work fine on wooting

[quasi hinge]

I got the 900 as per instruction

[grizzled bloom]

Thought it was difficult

[red abyss]

guys what should i buy OWLab Ti or Duhuk Herz?

[glacial wind]

Both good, I’d just buy whatever is cheaper personally

[rough cipher]

If I change my current 60 he switches to gateron jades or geon raws will it be on par with the new v2 on base build ?

[rough cipher]

using the stock lekker v1.5 rn

[high nymph]

you have pre-built 60HE or got the module and build it yourself ?

[rough cipher]

i have the pre-built one

ARM batch

[high nymph]

it will not be even close. You have clip-in stabs, no PET film on the PCB and the switches do not have full 4 mm travel

wait for the v2 and then sell your OG

[rough cipher]

aight, thanks!

[high nymph]

don't waste money on sub-par switches. you will not get the full experience

[rough cipher]

I was planning to sell my og for a holy 60 case 😆

[untold wigeon]

imo,
now wooting has 2 type of product

[rough cipher]

lots of oem holy 60 but i still prefer to get the genuine one

[untold wigeon]

does ur pcb have holes for screw in stabs?

[high nymph]

I 'personally' do not like the Holy, beause the sound profile is too hollow

the OG doesn't

you will ruin the PCB if you try to drill holes

[rough cipher]

will you recommend the tofu 60 instead?

[high nymph]

that's why there is a 60HE+

[high nymph]

It's a matter of preference, but I would prefer the Redux over the Holy yes (with the weight)

[rough cipher]

so lekker v2 >>>> sub par switches?

[high nymph]

yes, because v2 will ship with tikkers. But you had originally mentioned jades or raw (which do not have full travel)

[untold wigeon]

save more money and buy the gt60 case from kbdfans

multi mount capability

[glacial wind]

well if you’re going to get switches then we’d normally suggest a more newer gen switch like owlab ti, but either way switches alone won’t turn a v1 into a v2

[rough cipher]

aight, thanks!

[high nymph]

the biggest selling point for the v2 for me is the film and the switches

[untold wigeon]

the correct question should be "do you need the new things on the 60he v2?"

[rough cipher]

heard of owlabs but very difficult to purchase unless I travel to china

[untold wigeon]

do you need 8Khz?
do you need the stock alu case?
do you need anything else?

[glacial wind]

Where are you based?

[rough cipher]

sg

[glacial wind]

Huh? You can buy owlab ti switches locally for sure

[untold wigeon]

u can buy locally

i forgot the store name

but my friends in sg bought them locally

[glacial wind]

https://pantheonkeys.com/products/owlab-ti-he-linear-switches

Ktechs has them too iirc

[untold wigeon]

@high nymph a hater for sure

[rough cipher]

yes knowing that 60he og is only 1khz

[untold wigeon]

[untold wigeon]

because i told my friend that has the OG 60he (ARM but not yet the screw in stabs support)

[high nymph]

that is mostly placebo.. you can't actually tell if a key is on 1khz or 8khz , I promise you that

[rough cipher]

will check this site, thanks!

[untold wigeon]

i asked him if he needs all the new things or features on v2?

he said not really only the screw in stabs

and i told him one plate mount stab which is good already

and stable imo

[high nymph]

that does make some difference. thats why I advise to purchase the module always

[untold wigeon]

the ds focus stabs

and he is happy with it

[high nymph]

the plate mount are not bad, but not stellar either

[untold wigeon]

nah, u should try the ds focus plate mount...

it's not like it's a good option for stabs mounting

[high nymph]

well, asus still sells keyboards with costars so .....

[untold wigeon]

but i can say it's almost on par with some screw in stabs brand

[rough cipher]

will just wait for the v2 instead

[untold wigeon]

good for you if u can decide already

[rough cipher]

so geon raws, raptors and lucifers are still considered slower ?

[untold wigeon]

outdated for now

owlab ti is a better version which is similar to geon raw sound profile

[rough cipher]

how about aeboard raeds

[untold wigeon]

if u want a deeper sound profile u can get urstudio ice ultra

[untold wigeon]

those are different switches 😭

[glacial wind]

Not really slower just less tight mostly

[untold wigeon]

raeds are similar to dome switches

[rough cipher]

i see

[glacial wind]

Lucifer were also never meant to be a top tier feeling/performing switch either. They’re just a cheapie box stem for people who want something really cheap to throw into geon builds

[rough cipher]

the annoying keycap wobble during clutch situations

[glacial wind]

Raeds are their own thing where if you buy raeds you buy it for feel and sound alone and you don’t care about performance

[untold wigeon]

if u want a tight switch, then purchase ttc kom rgb / ttc kom pom

[glacial wind]

They’re less accurate than typical switches so generally don’t buy raeds for gaming unless you don’t mind that

[rough cipher]

aight

[paper bloom]

I run jades and OWL TI Switches b4 theyre also nice

[winter ore]

💪

[sweet oak]

Crunch maxing

But with extra foam

[calm pulsar]

special foam to dampen all of the sounds except for crunch

[sweet oak]

Exactly

[fluid ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crunch-cranch-meow-cute-gif-17368992236901678436

[untold wigeon]

https://youtu.be/hUbKhUBs6XI?si=WPUW55rTS_sq6zta

minimalist papa makes a new keyboard video

80HE

IS THEREEE

[tropic urchin]

Don’t tell @calm pulsar @thorn zealot

[untold wigeon]

come on optimum case 80he

[calm pulsar]

yo is that finally a good HE switch???

or is it just clickbait and the vid is about wooting collab?

[tropic urchin]

Binally

[tropic urchin]

Baw

[calm pulsar]

fuck I started to have hope but the switch from the thumbnail is not even in the video💀

[worn pollen]

My keyboard just came, what mods do you think I should get?

[untold wigeon]

l45 right?

he used it on typing test

for 80he

[calm pulsar]

it is not a lekker

[untold wigeon]

oh wait

i'm trippin?

[ornate sedge]

Did wooting do a drop of the ow60 besides the sweepstakes

i wat one so bad

[glacial wind]

oh the mech keyboard space is going to go off on optimum for that video lol

it's meant to be an mx is dead in gaming video, but there's definitely going to be some folks who take it to mean he's saying all custom keyboards are dead vs he

[hidden steeple]

Does anybody have any tips on how to improve the "quality" of a cable such that it does have a stroke when enabling RGB? My coiled cable starts pressing like every single key all at once when I enable RGB 😦

[glacial wind]

3rd party coiled cable?

they're usually too long/poorly made wiring and won't work at high rgb + tachyon mode

those coils add a ton of length which makes it have power issues when you combine those factors

[hidden steeple]

I don't even have tachyon mode enabled so I guess my cable is just terrible 😦

[glacial wind]

most coiled cables have issues even if they're well built if they're long

[hidden steeple]

So it's generally just the length that causes issues?

[glacial wind]

yeah

cause if you pull out the coils you realize the cable is insanely long

[hidden steeple]

So if I shorten the length of the cable it's possible it might improve the situation? I made my cable with an absurd length which was fine on all my previous custom boards but the wooting seems to have issues. (It's like 5m-6m excluding the coil lol)

[glacial wind]

yeah if it's a short cable then it doesn't have as many power issues, it's why wooting normally recommends cable same or less long vs. their stock cable

but you have to remember to measure the coiled unrolled though. so 20cm of coils can be waaaay more in length

[hidden steeple]

Is there any other way to force a higher voltage for longer lengths? Like I can I run it in USB 3.0 for higher voltage or something?

[glacial wind]

not without physically having better cable

[hidden steeple]

what defines a "better" cable? The guage of the wire?

[glacial wind]

you can technically have a long length coiled cable but it'd be a giant thick boy that might cost you $500 in some absurd high end wire

i'm not even sure where you'd get one made since no one really does that

the simple answer is more of a 'no you can't' unless you're willing to spend absurd money

[hidden steeple]

Do you know what exactly defines the "quality/better" cables? Would love to just improve mine and still maintain ~3m ish length

[glacial wind]

power delivery of the wire basically

the realistic answer is you're probably not going to find one with coils

[high nymph]

PD delivery USB cables do not have coils or any type on whine prevention

also, PD cables are not suitable for data transfer, so .....

[glacial wind]

basically you'd have to lose your coils and just go for a straight cable

[glacial wind]

i'm not talking about PD specifically

not the standard, i mean the literal power

[hidden steeple]

So I'm guessing it's not as simple as just increasing the guage of the wire? I would need some sort of power delivery over the CC line?

[glacial wind]

no increasing the guage would actually probably work, but what I'm saying is i don't even know who or where you could get that made

i don't know a single custom cable maker that does that for example

[hidden steeple]

It's a DIY cable that I made myself, so if it really is as easy as just increasing the guage of the wire, that wouldn't be too unreasonable to remake it (although getting a nice coil is a pain in the ass)

[high nymph]

any USB 2.0 is (in theory) is capable of supplying the necessary power to a Wooting keyboard: 500 mA

[thorn zealot]

He said his 80he is not modded but I can literally see and hear the foam

[glacial wind]

yeah we're not talking about the usb stuff

just raw power sent via the cable

[thorn zealot]

Now ik he rly likes the foamy sound and that’s why the 80he is his best sounding kb

[glacial wind]

you could try, i'm not sure what the formula you'd need is to know exactly what guage you'd need for 3m and coils though, which would be like a 4m cable

[hidden steeple]

Does Tachyon mode increase power draw? Is there any information on what/how it actually works?

[glacial wind]

yes

tachyon and rgb both increase power draw

[high nymph]

Yes, but its actually the RGB that drains the most current

[glacial wind]

iirc there's a very rough measurement thing one of the staff made somewhere, but i don't know how accurate that was

[high nymph]

RGB @ 100% makes a 60HE drain 500mA on 5V

I measured with a TC66 on the USB-C Port

[hidden steeple]

Yeah RGB power draw makes total sense, I'm just confused what Tachyon mode even does. Been using the board for a little while and it's been totally fine but decided to setup multiple profiles today and enabled RGB on the second profile only to have the board start pressing every single key all at once until I switched to a ~0.5m straight cable

[high nymph]

because Tachyon mode increases processing power on the MCU

[glacial wind]

oh here, i found untameds chart

keep note that this is just a rough thing he did and may not be accurate

[chilly mural]

that power jump from nontachyon to tachyon all white though

[high nymph]

seems about right with my evidence testing as well (I was actually desigining a Power Training Sprint for my work)

[hidden steeple]

Ah looks like I went worst case secnario then lol, from Tachyon Off RGB Off straight to Tach ON, White 100%

[glacial wind]

the real question would be just how fancy you'd have to go on wire guage for it to work

[high nymph]

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/awg-wire-gauge-d_731.html

[hidden steeple]

Thanks for all the info, I think I'll just trim a few metres of the cable length and reduce RGB brightness, I really only wanted it to quickly tell what profile I had enabled

[glacial wind]

yeah just reducing rgb percentage by a bit is an easy way to make longer cables work easier

especially since it's already plenty bright without going all the way to 100%

[hidden steeple]

me using fully opaque keycaps

[sweet oak]

Put glitter on your keycaps

[high nymph]

https://www.amazon.com/CBUS-100W-USBC-Cable-Compatible/dp/B07MW1ZWP6

this will work 😄

[hidden steeple]

Any idea if the little breakout board on the USB-C end has any effect on the power delivery capabilities? Just trying to find the right one was already confusing enough for me lol

[high nymph]

Shouldn't. The JST connection was designed for the workload of the keyboard so ...

[hidden steeple]

I'm on a 60HE so no JST daughter board 😦

[thorn zealot]

Already happening 💀

[high nymph]

then no worries 🙂

[hidden steeple]

So I should be good to just pick up either a high power charging cable and steal the wires from it or just buy some wires that match the guage used for those?

[glacial wind]

i'm not surprised at all

they have a habit of missing the point and thinking every topic is directed at their customer base

[high nymph]

What is your main goal? How long do you need the USB cable ?

[hidden steeple]

~3m ish cable with ~15cm ~1cm wide coil

(also using an aviator connector if that makes any difference)

[high nymph]

You don't need coils. I use a cable like this successfully: https://www.banggood.com/Baseus-Tungsten-Gold-240W-Type-C-to-Type-C-Cable-PD3_1-Power-Delivery-Fast-Charging-Data-Transmission-Tinned-Copper-Core-Line-1M-or-2M-or-3M-Long-for-Huawei-Mate50-for-Samsung-Galaxy-S23-for-Oppo-Reno9-for-Redmi-K60-p-1984930.html?cur_warehouse=CN&ID=44705

[glacial wind]

i think he wants the coils specifically though

[thorn zealot]

Well the thing is optimum said he is better for gaming and it is on par with sound

[hidden steeple]

Yeah it's not that I need coils, more that I just like the look of a fancy cable

[high nymph]

but why? May be worthwhile to investigate the power filtering instead

[glacial wind]

he definitely is better for gaming, the problem is the sound part but honestly the top tier he is close enough that for everyone except that specific custom keyboard crowd the sound gap is very small now

[hidden steeple]

With all that said anyway, just dropping my brightness to 75% and it seems to working perfectly fine with full white + tachyon

[thorn zealot]

Yeah that’s my thoughts too

But I think optimum is going off of mx ideas from like 2020, which is what other ppl in the comments said as well

Then there’s the occasional “ur coping if u think mx sounds better”

But ight

[glacial wind]

yeah but they're kind of missing the forest for the trees

[hidden steeple]

As someone who's built $500 customs before, the sound of the HE is pretty much onpar.
The real issue is the fact that it requires such a solid plate which leaves a lot to be desired in terms of feel

[glacial wind]

that's kind of always been the problem with talking to niche hobby crowds is they get so engrained into the importance of smaller details that are super important to them that they miss the larger point

[high nymph]

you just shouldn't really use POM plates. you can pretty much get away with almost anything else, if well designed

[glacial wind]

optimum wasn't fully right in all his points, including him not really elaborating on tmr vs he sensor pros/cons but his general point was correct even with the mistakes

[thorn zealot]

Yeah agree with the point of what he is saying, just the way he did it was a lil off

[hidden steeple]

From what I read, the whole magnetic switch doesn't really work with a lot of flex in the plate and has to be quite rigid

[glacial wind]

the flex part is an interesting part too of the discussion with the different crowds

because custom keyboard crowd likes some flex usually, but if you poll a lot of more competitive gamer types you'll find a lean towards stiffer less bounce for some games

when you're playing with such sensitive settings sometimes the last thing i want is my strafe input to have bounce

[hidden steeple]

Yeah makes sense, I've mostly used custom boards with a lot of flex, but after picking up the wooting I didn't realise how much better the "stiff" plate feels for gaming (aside from the whole anologue/rapid trigger benefit)

[fallen pecan]

how is bros fun60 tmr in a holy60, i thought they're not gh60

[untold wigeon]

there's a way

since holy60 has holes on the port walls

i saw someone made the tutorial on akko / monsgeek discord server

[fallen pecan]

ill look it up

[untold wigeon]

wait

which fun 60 is he using?

[untold wigeon]

why i can't see any daughter board

[fallen pecan]

he's selling the tmr so i'm guessing that

[untold wigeon]

nah man

that's the normal ver.

there is no hotswap socket

no wonder

wait

[thorn zealot]

@sweet oak I saw this in my yt rec and I need to hear ur thoughts https://youtu.be/8PNbX5iwlVA?si=Bp1DdfA25Cb43oRL

[untold wigeon]

my brain is disconnected rn

[untold wigeon]

that is woot 60he pcb

bro is trying to sabotage me

😭

[fallen pecan]

ah that's should be it

[untold wigeon]

but someone uses the holy 60 for their fun60 tho

[fallen pecan]

dunno if this came true or not

[marble sierra]

The best part of this video is the 26th second

[sweet oak]

Its getting there, but that is not the true crunch method

[thorn zealot]

Yeah imo 4/10 on the crunch scale

[marble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/crunch-crunching-sound-snoop-dogg-biting-eating-gif-12502127

[sweet oak]

A reasonable rating

[ripe nova]

What do yall think of the sound of the phylina lightning (switch only, recorded on samsung s22)

[fallen pecan]

phylinas just sound like a differently pitched owlab ti to me

[outer merlin]

HE does not even sound close to as good as MX 💀

Smthing abt optimum’s latest video makes it feel more like a paid ad for HE switches

[tropic urchin]

Performance > sound for gaming, all it is

[trail bane]

Blud just discovered America omg

[tidal frigate]

We havent hear lekker tikkens tho

[trail bane]

Or are you yet another Estonian intelligence spy?

[thorn zealot]

I mean he did collab with wooting

There is some bias there

[stray tiger]

Dollars to donuts, I could put 5 of my HE boards with 5 MX boards and in a blind test you couldn't identify them all correctly.

[tawdry tree]

If only that was a FUN60..

[outer merlin]

A good mx board sounds better almost all the time

HE is really only good for playing competitive games ig

hence why i only built one and would never build more than one

[stray tiger]

Totally get not needing more than one HE board in your case, just saying that HE has matured so quickly that a well built one is almost indistinguishable from a similar MX build. For example the, since you're in the JJW discord, I converted my Derivative into a HE version and it sounds as good as it did when I built it as MX.

[outer merlin]

i find that he switches tend to sound a bit muddier (yes even geon raws) almost as if someone stuffed the case with some sort of foam.

it doesnt quite get close to as good as cherry switches in high end builds imo

I also own the derivative and my favourite config by far would be nixies on PP plate top mounted

[stray tiger]

If you're comparing MX to Geon Raws then I agree. However the switches out in the last year and coming in the next few months are night and day better

[tropic urchin]

its bikken time

[stray tiger]

I'm running Owlab TI HE's on PP plate, top mounted

[outer merlin]

I might try the owlab TI HE’s in the future

[stray tiger]

Id argue within a year the line between HE and MX will be almost non-existent

[outer merlin]

I believe that there is a reason why most keyboard enthusiast still prefer MX switches though despite it having objectively worse performance. The sound makes up for the performance easily.

[stray tiger]

Well MX has had quite a bit of a head start. I've only been using HE for the last 4yrs but MX more than twice that

[outer merlin]

either way optimum’s video seem poorly researched at first glance. I mean why is he even using ChatGPT 💀

also correlating cherry’s declining stock price to that of HE switches to “prove” his point is just…

[chilly mural]

FR4 + TI HE sounds heavenly

[stray tiger]

Which Optimum video are we referring to btw? I have t checked his channel out recently

[chilly mural]

This one prop

[outer merlin]

“The mechanical switch is dead”

kinda clickbaity title

[chilly mural]

Ehh, pretty standard youtube wise

It's like saying Africa is hot

[sacred elm]

It is tho

[stray tiger]

Yeah just watched the video. MX isnt dead and never will be but I've been telling people that MX is slowly becoming more like vinyl albums and analog/manual watches (of which I own a ton of both). There will always be an appreciation for the classics and collectors/purists to buy them.

[glacial wind]

i'd wager the reason is mostly that a lot of enthusiasts don't have that big overlap with competitive gamers

it took a very long time for a lot of enthusiast to stop saying "HE does nothing, rt just saves a few ms that you can't notice" because they just never really even understood the dynamics behind it

[stray tiger]

I'm trying to change that one enthusiast at a time!

[glacial wind]

somewhere out there in australia right now is yifang as former val/ow pro and he's still using his unlubed lekker v1

the complete opposite scenario where he doesn't care at all about the keyboard beyond basic performance lol

[stray tiger]

I feel like the watches reference is a perfect example. My brother is a diver and always wears his digital watch that tracks depth, pressure, oxygen, etc etc and his diving partner will only wear his old school analog diving watch that he has had for 20yrs, because he cares more about the looks and the sentiment behind it than the advanced features of my brother's watch.

[outer merlin]

btw i kinda disagree on the part where the sound can be replicated. People have been trying to replicate the classic cherry switch sound for the longest time yet none have been able to do so.

If even MX switches can't replicate it i highly doubt HE switches would be able to do so

[stray tiger]

Maybe, but some people can't stand the cherry scratch or sound. So preference is key here. The gap between HE and MX is rapidly closing though, that's not really up for debate.

[glacial wind]

there's degrees to all of this really. Like to the average person they don't even notice say 10% difference between he and mx sound even now, but someone heavy into the scene sees that 10% as life or death differences as big as the grand canyon

[outer merlin]

Perhaps that might be the case but I highly doubt it will ever be identical as they are mechanically different.

[jade prairie]

ive been wondering for a loong fucking time; is your pfp Kaguya?

[chilly mural]

yes

[jade prairie]

good

[chilly mural]

it's been like that since... 5-7 years already

[glacial wind]

i think the big thing is realizing that different groups of people have very different weights on things and not everyone is as particular about 100% 1:1 replication down to the exact decimal and tone that someone hyper into the scene might be

[jade prairie]

ye i wouldve lost my mind if it wasnt

[stray tiger]

Exactly like vinyl albums and CD's. There is just something about that analog sound that some people will always look for (and as Sno said, only some people can even detect, much less appreciate) and I think it's the exact same in the keyboard example.

[tropic urchin]

@stray tiger I put owlabs on benom alu plate and it almost feels like old fluxies on booting🔥

Idk why but on fr4 they sound muddy but on alu they’re supercharged and better sound

[outer merlin]

me dislike fr4 plates

[chilly mural]

I can't believe I see the days where MX is becoming like vinyl and headphones

[tropic urchin]

Yeah this is staying

🔥

[wind karma]

if i order an 80he module with the geon raw HE switches, will they come with different stabilizers compared to if i ordered it with the lekker switches?

[tropic urchin]

No

[stray tiger]

Yet it's true

[thorn zealot]

Cuz alu is better than fr4 and if u don’t agree with me ur wrong and I’m supreme truth

[tropic urchin]

I’d try to get owlab ti hes if you can since they’re priced similarly but are improved version of RAWs

[stray tiger]

I think they have their place. Depends on the board, the switch, etc. Hell the main reason I even have some many boards is that the sound I'm craving changes daily.

[tropic urchin]

Switch dependent, but benom sound is a whiplash since it’s very naked without most other foams etc

It makes 42.5g spring owlabs sound like 60g it’s wild

[stray tiger]

Btw for anyone in the US, Keebhut is going out of business and has some cheap stuff in sale.

[thorn zealot]

How does the diff weight change sound

[stray tiger]

I will say that one advantage of getting to be as old as I am is that eventually your hearing starts to go to shit and everything sounds great

[wind karma]

in which ways are they better?

[sacred elm]

Owlabs are better in every aspect except the RGB

[wind karma]

ah why is that.. aren't the stock stabs meant for regular switches and not long pole?

[sacred elm]

Stem wobble, sound, feel

You dont need long pole stabilizers

[tropic urchin]

Idk the technical term, but when I played with different weights, the heavier the spring it made the sound louder and changed how it sounded when I was using 60-80g springs for my artisan before I just kept springs stock

[thorn zealot]

Maybe the heavier spring rebounds faster for a louder top out

[wind karma]

on my 60HE with stock stabs the keys that have stabilizers are not sitting level on both sides

[tropic urchin]

And when I used geon pingless on my Jade pros it made it super quiet

[wind karma]

seems nice, i do like my rgb tho hahah

[outer merlin]

the volume of the top out sound is affected by the weight of the spring and the length.

[sacred elm]

RGB is still decent

Wouldnt buy raws only for RGB

[stray tiger]

It's more likely a different spring changes the sound more so than it being the weight. If both springs were identical other than weight, there shouldn't be a noticeable sound difference

[thorn zealot]

Yeah that’s what I thought

[outer merlin]

long springs are nice

[sacred elm]

Your 42.5g springs are pingless, thats why they sound different

[tropic urchin]

Stock stabs stay the same no matter what from prebuilt or module. The only stab that might not play nicely is space bar, but you can either 1). Have no issues (50/50 if you do), 2). Use geon stem spacers and 3). Use 3rd party long pole stabs

[wind karma]

fair, i'm currently using jades and the wobble is fine but i'm worried if the tolerances are tighter that the switch will feel more sticky

[sacred elm]

No, it wont

[wind karma]

when i press my keys at a slight angle they feel like there is resistance

[outer merlin]

it rarely ever goes to that point unless the switches are defective like my batch of gateron summertime v1s

[wind karma]

already

[sacred elm]

In fact raws will feel sticky at the top, because of the design flaw.

Owlab doesnt have this

[wind karma]

interesting

i haven't heard of this

i guess i haven't been in active in the comm for a bit lol

i'm building an 80he soon so this is useful info i appreciate it

[sacred elm]

Its common issue with Raws, they feel sticky at the top

[wind karma]

hmm alright

[stray tiger]

Also, unless you just need/want new switches today, the Lekker Tikken's should be available in the near future.

[wind karma]

yeah i'm avoiding that then

[wind karma]

yep i'm interested in those

there is no information on those though

since they were just announced

[sacred elm]

Its only noticeable when you press them slightly, I noticed it instantly and couldnt use it anymore 😆

[tropic urchin]

100% rec owlabs for now, RGB is barely impacted by owlabs from my experience

[stray tiger]

I've had them for a while now and they are an improvement in every way

[wind karma]

i would probably notice it too, things like those can annoy me lol. best if i just get the switch that doesn't have the flaw

[sacred elm]

Yeah

[wind karma]

will keep in mind

[sacred elm]

Owlabs are raws without flaws

[wind karma]

OH you have them already? hmmm

[stray tiger]

"raws without flaws" 😄

[wind karma]

are you allowed to send a sound test here

[stray tiger]

Yes and no.

[wind karma]

crazy line

[wind karma]

fair.

[sweet oak]

Go raw without flaws, or go home

[wind karma]

how do you compare those to the competitors then

like the owlabs ti

the actuation is 4.0mm is one

[stray tiger]

An improved version of the Owlab TI's that's slightly deeper and full travel. That's exactly how I would describe them

[wind karma]

that sounds very nice.. i might go for tikkens then

[sacred elm]

Need them right now!

[sweet oak]

Ill be giving it my crunch verdict day 1

[wind karma]

i've been using 3.5mm switches for about 5 years though, i don't remember how 4mm travel feels

do you prefer them

[sacred elm]

Crunch ❌

[sweet oak]

Crunch 🌹

[tropic urchin]

shf hating 🥀

[sacred elm]

I never do that

[tropic urchin]

you're right, you're a new man

[sacred elm]

Yes.

[tropic urchin]

peace, love and positivity

[sacred elm]

Spread love

[sweet oak]

Spread crunch

[tropic urchin]

yeah Alu plate is 100% staying on benom with owlabs, zis is nice

[outer merlin]

what is a benom

[tropic urchin]

venom

venom60 specifically

[sacred elm]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-twerk-marvel-rivals-venom-venom-twerking-marvel-rivals-venom-kao-gif-8612916396515986082

[wind karma]

what are your thoughts on 3.4mm vs 4.0mm switches

[outer merlin]

i dislike long pole switches

[sacred elm]

I like 3.4mm right now, only because Lekkers are dogwater. Tikkens might change this

[tropic urchin]

perma-ed

[outer merlin]

I feel like its basically impossible to 100% sit your spacebar perfectly straight leading to eventual ticking. Also not a fan of the reduced travel

[wind karma]

lets say the owlabs were 4.0mm would you take those?

over the 3.4

[sacred elm]

Probably, with 4mm I feel like I have more control, for example in OSU

[wind karma]

yep, my spacebar ticking side to side is kind of severe in my case

[wind karma]

oh okay

i play fps games mainly

i hope it doesn’t feel worse, its subjective though so idk lets see lol

when should i expect tikkens to be available for purchase

[sacred elm]

You can get owlabs now and then order 12pc tikkens to try them out and see if you like 4mm travel

[wind karma]

seems like a good idea

the keycaps don’t sit at different heights on long pole vs normal correct?

[chilly mural]

all the tikken talk makes me wanna grab it for my woot

[tropic urchin]

Q4 so end of the year

[red abyss]

guys what should i buy OWLab Ti or Duhuk Herz?

[sacred elm]

Same thing

[wind karma]

i’ll get the owlabs for now then

[wind karma]

anyone have an answer to this?

[outer merlin]

most stabs are ment for full travel switches. If you're using a long pole switch with a stabaliser ment for 4mm switches u have a bit of empty space at the bottom of the stabaliser stem.

[wind karma]

oh i don’t mean the stabs

[outer merlin]

there is also a high chance where ur spacebar (assuming fully straight) sits at an angle causing eventual ticking

[wind karma]

i mean the top of the stem would be lower than on a 4mm switch yes?

so the keycaps would be lower

[outer merlin]

no when not actuated the switch height remains the same

[wind karma]

ah okay

so 4mm just goes deeper

[outer merlin]

yeah i guess u could put it that way

[wind karma]

how do the tikkens achieve that with a closed bottom

[sacred elm]

Shorter stem

[wind karma]

i didn’t even think of that lol

thanks for the answers 🙏

[tranquil iris]

Im such a joke, I ordered two 10packs of owlab ti he (40g and 50g) and I still CAN'T decide which I use (to order the remaining 80)the lighter ones feel more familiar(Apex Pro has around 40g bottom out too I think)but missinputs could be a thing and the heavier ones are not bad too but Im scared I will experience fatique or that im not used to it. I dont want to mix them though

[chrome plover]

does anyone know how to replace the stabilizer when it doesnt have the screw in thing to the pcb

[tropic urchin]

50g is fine as a balanced option. You can counter 40g misinputs by making actuation higher if you want. Personal preference really, but if the decision is giving you pause get 50g and order 42.5g geon pingless springs and try both out and see which you like more

I personally like how the lighter is, but everyone is different on their feels

[tranquil iris]

Makes sense, I just want to really choose one, because open up all switches would be alot of effort which I prefer not to make. I also like the feeling of light switches (even on my wobbly gen 1 omipoints) but I never had different ones for the last 5 years so I can only make a comparison now. I mostly use my kb for gaming and most have lighter switches. Is there another downside to very light/lighter switches (rebound or something else)

[sacred elm]

very light = slow rebound

50g better

[tranquil iris]

you use 40g owlab ti he ? or generally lighter ones

[tropic urchin]

I bought 50g and had 42.5g springs available so I tried both and swapped them

[sweet oak]

400g

[tropic urchin]

Just buy 50s and see how you like them. Your worst case scenario is you hate them and you buy lighter springs which don’t take long to swap

[tranquil iris]

you think so ? Its probably the safest pick

[tropic urchin]

It’s safer yeah

One isn’t inherently better than the other

Just preference

[tranquil iris]

I have 50g and 40gs here I even build a contraption, Its really embarassing😭

[tropic urchin]

If you stay around here long enough, there’s a lot of placebo maxing so you’re in good hands

[tranquil iris]

yeah Im just a really really really bad decision maker

especially if its fatal and forces me to pay more, wait longer or put more effort in something

[outer merlin]

50g is really light

[tropic urchin]

Nah just get 50s and don’t overcomplicate it

Spring swapping is the easy and only takes 20-30 mins

[outer merlin]

what stabilisers are those?

[tropic urchin]

Which is your worst case

[outer merlin]

I assume they are pcb clip ins?

[tranquil iris]

you think so, what switches yo use ?

[outer merlin]

u hook it to the larger holes then use smthing like the back of a pair of tweezers to push the other end into the smaller holes

i like using 60g 22mm springs for most of my switches

67g 16mm for some

[tranquil iris]

I will decide by tomorrow evening, thank you, the bottom half can be in the module so I dont need to pull out every switch completely and put it in again

[tranquil iris]

you play alot of games ?

[outer merlin]

i guess?

[tranquil iris]

or play alot

I mean there are people that play games that dont require alot of kb pressinf and some dont play games and only type

[outer merlin]

i play some shooters

[tranquil iris]

for me personally I didnt like the stock 60s lekkers

[tranquil iris]

whats the exact name of the springs ?

[outer merlin]

just get geon or tx springs if you want to swap them out

they will be more consistent than your stock springs with less variance between each spring

[tropic urchin]

https://divinikey.com/products/geon-pingless-he-compatible-springs these

[tranquil iris]

there are so many options wtf

[tropic urchin]

Or if you can’t get these get the 45g lekker pack

Springs should be same length as stock owlab

[outer merlin]

might be better to get the HE compatible geon ones if you’re using HE switches

[tranquil iris]

yeah

[sweet oak]

Crunchy springs when

[tranquil iris]

they in stock I think I will go for them

[tropic urchin]

You might even like them more imo

They’re an in between 40 and 50g ones

I’d get the 50s and pick up a 45g pack as backup

[tranquil iris]

yeah makes sense, the only thing which I dont understand why there isnt a full spec sheet of the owlab ti he ?

thats the one I current use (omnipoint gen 1)

[tranquil iris]

like initial force, I assume initial is the same like actuation

[stray adder]

Quick question: Wich one of these are closest to ‘thocky’ sound profile? Gonna build the Wooting Optimum keyboard soon

[sacred elm]

None

[tropic urchin]

/shrug, I guess it depends on which vendors you get em from

[thorn zealot]

what do u think of my 1st ever kb

[tranquil iris]

I mean the bottom out force is always there, but for people who use 0.1 and 0.2mm or around that the initial force should be more important no ?

[sacred elm]

https://x.com/wasabifriedrice/status/1904137941171216668

Wasabi (@wasabifriedrice)

Owlab Ti HE Switches🦉 *TEEHEE*

X · Mar 24, 2025, 11:47 AM

Check this out

[sweet oak]

4/10 no crunch and i heard both dishes and a low smoke detector sound

[thorn zealot]

wait hold on i have one switch in here with a twisted spring

[stray adder]

Thanks a lot for replying, but is that… thocky at all? I find them quite ‘crispy’

[outer merlin]

Replace yo smoke detector battery

[thorn zealot]

if this is not atleast a 6/10 ima have to pour some chips in here or some

[sacred elm]

Pretty much all HE switches are clacky

[outer merlin]

I can hear spring sounds

[stray adder]

Oh, I did not know that. Thanks!

[sweet oak]

Hmmmmm, 5

[thorn zealot]

teach me how to be better

[sweet oak]

Gotta put crumbs in the switches

[thorn zealot]

bet ima need to find that kid that had doritos and shit in his wooting

and inv him over to my house with a side of lays

[sweet oak]

Side quest unlocked

[thorn zealot]

yes it is to kidnap a random kid to my house to use my kb while eating chips for an hr

[tawdry tree]

You bought PCB mounted stabs for your 60HE (non +, which doesn’t support PCB mounted stabs)? 🥀

Oh nah, you have the 60HE+

Oh you got plate mounted stabs

You install those in the plate, not on the PCB

[outer merlin]

What do yall think abt my first HE keeb? The spacebar feels kinda harsh

[tranquil iris]

also forgot to ask arent lighter switches louder because you always bottom them out (especially 3,4mm ones) I mean I like the sound tho

[tropic urchin]

Heavier springs will be louder

[outer merlin]

No generally the spring weight doesn't rly affect whether you bottom out or not. It's more of the way you type, your habits. A heavier spring isnt going to prevent you from bottoming out

You're just going to spend more effort bottoming out if you are the kind of person to bottom out on every keystroke

[tranquil iris]

yeah makes sense, put in theory if I apply similar force to a light and heavy switch, I "slam" the stem to the bottom easier on the lighter one because there is less resistance or am I special ?

[outer merlin]

Unless the springs are diabolically heavy i dont think the difference would be too huge

[tranquil iris]

yeah thats just theory I obv dont care if one is like 3db louder or not

[outer merlin]

Prob softer bottom out sound and louder top out with heavier springs ig

If it's just in theory

[tranquil iris]

I dont think I bottom out both of them actually, my behaviour is ajusted to like 0.1-3mm without fully pressing the key

[tranquil iris]

yeah makes sense

[gilded hinge]

what do i need for rawhuks

is it just the raws with duhuk top housing?

[thorn zealot]

nice with alot of resonance, which is expected since its leggera

[tranquil iris]

thanks for help guys, I will order them tomorrow. Also I did my research, almost every big brand HE Board uses lighter switches, right? Look at the Endgame Gear KB65HE 8K, tought big brands go for a safer pick and use more balanced ones.

[thorn zealot]

well most ppl would think lighter=faster

i think thats why they do it

[tranquil iris]

oh yeah this could be a valid reason, I think every big brand he board is under 50g bottom out force

[sacred elm]

No, most big brands use 50g switches

[tranquil iris]

that why I tought going for the lighest possible was a no brainer for me then I decided to buy switches but seems like people here prefer 50g much more

[tranquil iris]

I think apex pro, g pro rapid and huntsman all use around 40-45g

[thorn zealot]

yeah when i got my 50g owlab ti he i couldnt type for the 1st day

i swapped then to 62.5g ones rn

[tranquil iris]

there too light for you ?

[thorn zealot]

yeah i prefer like 60-70g

[tranquil iris]

problem is I cant find the actuation force of the owlabs (only bottom out force 40,50) and not the bottom out force of omnipoint switch, only the actuation force so I can compare them with a datasheet

[sacred elm]

28 and 35 most likely

[tranquil iris]

so both are lighter then this ?

[sacred elm]

You are overthinking it imo, just get 50g owlabs and if they are too heavy for some reason, order 42.5g geon pingless springs and swap

[tranquil iris]

gf is the same like g right

[sacred elm]

Yes

[thorn zealot]

yeah just get 50g, u shouldnt have any issues unless ur like frail and thin

[sacred elm]

apex pro switches are like default lekkers

40 initial, 60 bottom out

most keyboard brands use 50g switches like jade pros, EGG uses 28g initial switches for some reason

their kb isnt that good anyway

[tranquil iris]

there 10 springs in one pack ?

[sacred elm]

No, I think 100 or something

Definitely not 10

[thorn zealot]

its like 110 with variance

[tranquil iris]

Like 5 ppl told me to get 50 so I get 50, ty alot ,I just really dont want to open up switches and stuff I more like a plug and play type of guy

kinda ironic because I type in this channel

[sacred elm]

50g is perfect imo, I dont like 40g springs

rebound is so slow

also it sucks for typing

[tropic urchin]

the more you get into modding, the more your mindset will change. You should be fine with 50g plug and play

[sacred elm]

lighter = faster 🤓 ☝️ is irrelevant with HE

[tranquil iris]

okay I think im set on 50g, I also found the springs for like 15 dollars (tax and shipping included) so its okay if I dont like 50g for whatever reason in the long run, last question would be I can open them while the bottom housing is in the 80he module right?

[sacred elm]

No, you will need to pull all of them

and open with switch opener

[tropic urchin]

^

your 80He will come with a puller, but its pretty ass

if your only frame of reference is 50g springs, i think you should be all set

that way you dont need to get a puller or opener unless you really want to

[sacred elm]

You can order 10pc 40g and 80pc 50g

[tranquil iris]

yeah I would prefer not to do that

[tropic urchin]

you know what to do

[low coral]

#team40g

[tranquil iris]

thats what I tought too but I think I want a universal feeling board also some games have more keys to bind and some less

[tranquil iris]

I heard 40gs and 0.1mm is the play but I settle for 50g I think

[low coral]

Well not sure for playing, I don’t play fps that take the most advantage from that. I just type and play some rts/moba

[chilly mural]

When in doubt with lighter spring, can always try heavier one with heavier keycaps /j

[low coral]

I just like 40g because I type quite fast and just lightly touch the keys most of the time.

[low coral]

I actually have .3mm for gaming cuz otherwise I press it while resting my hand xD

Not always but sometimes and that was enough to cast the wrong thing

[tranquil iris]

I did this for a certain time too

[tranquil iris]

100g springs with metal keycaps would be fire ngl

[low coral]

I like cuz I don’t get tired even if I type a lot, I used to have 60g before and it was super tiring.

And a lot of times I just mistype cuz key was not registered

[tranquil iris]

yeah thats why I was so uncertain about which switches to get because I play alot and it would be really unfortunate if my fingers would start hurting or get tired fast

[low coral]

Oh I honestly never had my fingers get tired from playing, the hand is way more static

Usually my mouse hand gets tired first 🤣 I tend to put all actions on the keyboard and leave just movement/aim on the mouse

[tranquil iris]

hmm makes sense I just like to spam inspect or some shit like that

[low coral]

I mean you could buy both, try them and then return the ones you don’t like (?) not sure how returns work where you live

[tranquil iris]

dont think so they are like 50 euro and straight from china, so I guess this would be alteast 30 to retunr

but Im set on 50 I think I just adapt

[low coral]

You’re in the EU? I think deltakeyco accepts returns, I paid like 50 eur with delivery there

For 90

[tranquil iris]

yeah EU but arent there addional costs for returns ?

[thorn zealot]

or u pay me $12321313 and il swap springs for u

[low coral]

The shipping, but shipping from my small eu country to France is like 5 euro. If you live in a bigger one it might even be cheaper.

[tranquil iris]

I think im not that special and very capable of doing that

ty for the offer

[thorn zealot]

its to save u time and im desperate for $$$

[tranquil iris]

yeah im ger so maybe I will do that, its getting pretty late I just order them tomrrow

maybe I just flip a coin

[tranquil iris]

12Ms for 30mins seems like a good deal

anyways, gn everyone thank you for yalls input

[tall hollow]

the monsgeek TMR keyboard is interesting, in a good way

[ionic igloo]

Are there an estimated time for when the volume knobs are coming?

[sacred elm]

Q1 2026

[chilly mural]

Yeah, seems interesting, just hope they update it long term

[tall hollow]

TMR deffo has significant advantages over Hall effect too

its more power efficient, more accurate, and less susceptible to EMI

[tranquil iris]

Ahh forgot one thing, what is the meaning of that ? Another unit for force ?

[tall hollow]

that unit is gauss I believe

which is a unit of measure of density of the magnetic flux

[chilly mural]

it's only going to be as good as software/firmware that's developed for it

[tall hollow]

so one gauss is one Maxwell/1cm^2

[tall hollow]

yeah obv

[tranquil iris]

hmm english is not my first language and Im also not a physicist, is there any reason why they add that information?

[thorn zealot]

im not an expert but i think its pretty much the quality of the magnet

[tall hollow]

no

its more pertaining to the strength of the magnet

less so its quality

the quality here would be related to how consistent the magnetic flux densities are between switches

[tranquil iris]

so its pretty much useless info when you buy known switches

[tall hollow]

its not useless

since some keyboards have a range in which it is able to accurately measure the position of the magnet

or should I say

all magnetic keyboards have a range in which it can reliably measure the magnet

[tranquil iris]

yeah let me reword it is useful if you have or need very specific things, if you go with a 60/80he module and known switches (geon, owlab, jade) this info is not important

[tall hollow]

and some require stronger magnets while some others require a weaker magnet

[tall hollow]

iirc there is an upper and lower limit but I dont remember off the top of my head

maybe a wooting engineer can tell you or someone here that knows

[tranquil iris]

As long its not important information for my use case I think I shouldnt bother someone

just interesting because initial force is not mentioned but this

[tall hollow]

as long as its a switch that is known to work reliably with the keyboard its fine

[tranquil iris]

yep

[jade storm]

@fluid ravine thoughts on vid

[polar girder]

Now there’s a layout

[reef oar]

ew

did not cook with that one

dpmo

[thorn zealot]

looks better than wootings split imo

[tranquil iris]

what are those btw ? never saw someone mentioning them, they are 42g bottom out and look very smiliar to owlab ti he

[chilly mural]

Make that right shift full and it'll my fav

[thorn zealot]

they are basically the same as owlab ti he/herz but with a slightly diff bottom housing

i would just get the cheapest of em

[tranquil iris]

they cost exactly the same

are they really 42g or is it just a listing error and they like 40g owlab ti he

[thorn zealot]

nah they are 42g

but it will feel basically the same as 40g

[tranquil iris]

yeah I mean just 2 grams but other than that they are the same

[thorn zealot]

that and the duhuk has a slightly diff bottom housing

but not major

[tranquil iris]

like a "better" or more sturdy or just different

[chilly mural]

actually, kinda hoping venom make board like this someday. IDC if it's 80% or 60%, if it has that spacebar layout or 6.25u equivalent with the full right shift it'll be perfect enough for me.

[thorn zealot]

its just diff material

they both have nylon bottom housing but the duhuk one has nylon with fiberglass infused

which results in a slightly sharper/brighter sound when you bottom out

[tranquil iris]

oh okay I think I order them too and then I decide, sadly deltakey doesnt have enought owlab 50g in stock

[thorn zealot]

nah i would just flip a coin and do best of 7 wins

[tranquil iris]

there so many possibilities

or I could just switch to controller

maybe I order a console instead of a keyboard everything is inside the return window

[thorn zealot]

why?

[tranquil iris]

nah I mean that as a joke because you literally just have a controller

there like 2 or 3 models that make sense for a ps5 compared to 1billion switches, mousepads and mice

[thorn zealot]

yeah but pc cooler

[tranquil iris]

yeah obv but im currently on a gtx 970 and a 1800x

so I spend my time with research on keyboard switches because some games are unplayable and the rest runs not that good

thats like the cheapest option but the others are better right

[thorn zealot]

no all 3 on that web are identical

[tranquil iris]

they are 3,68 instead of 5,04

[thorn zealot]

dont ask me why switch manus make basically the same switches

[thorn zealot]

then u can get those

[tranquil iris]

only thing they missing is the infused bottom thats basically it

[stray tiger]

Order a new MX board today to convert to HE. Should have it next week and will report on how it goes

[tall hollow]

The simplicity of console is both its biggest strength and its biggest weakness. Similarly can be said about pc, its unlimited options can be both a blessing and a curse.

[cloud pivot]

i just blew 1/4 of my monthly savings on another pbtfans wob set

🥀

[tranquil iris]

yeah I think I check out the lumia on point other then that there are the ttc poms (and those are expensive af)and geon but both are inferior to the owlab right ?

[jade prairie]

I want to oring mount my wuting

[cloud pivot]

gl finding a case with enough usb port clearance

[tranquil iris]

yeah my problem with console is that playing games with aim assist is not real skill (aimwise) because basically the devs decide what intensity is balanced enough, on kbm they can nerf the guns but never a good player

[thorn zealot]

they have better stem wobble but u will need to lube them if u dont like dry feeling/sounding switches

[cloud pivot]

i would say this has gotten a lot better nowadays with higher quality modding guides having sections for "essentials" "eye candy extras" etc

so decision paralysis is a lot weaker now

god bless steam forums and guides for the respective games

[tranquil iris]

and geon raw are just not the pick anymore right

[tall hollow]

Yeah, but when you build a pc you kinda have to know a whole hell of a lot more than just using a console that is basically plug and play.

[cloud pivot]

its not even that hard

[uneven cradle]

which board

[cloud pivot]

building a pc is just a little bit more than adult lego

commitment issue purely imo

[stray tiger]

Ori 60 Black badge

[tall hollow]

I slightly disagree with that statement but kinda.

[uneven cradle]

oh nice choice, looks like a goodie

[cloud pivot]

also i really hate to say this but prebuilts have gotten more reasonable nowadays too

[tall hollow]

Oh for sure

[tranquil iris]

yeah some people still dont wanna do it even with that "low" effort and till I was 18-20 I always needed to explain and convince the parents of my friends why it makes sense to buy parts instead of a pc and a shop, sadly it didnt work always.

[uneven cradle]

I was thinking about picking up a Vella, looks pretty hot in black

[thorn zealot]

yeah raws are outdated now

[cloud pivot]

i think the only actually tough part of PC assembly is the component selection itself

[thorn zealot]

i would just pick the pink ones u saw

[cloud pivot]

weighing your needs etc

but i think its ultimately very helpful anyways

helps teach you a lot about hw-sw interactions

[tall hollow]

That is the harder part yeah

[tall hollow]

Also just, compatibility

[cloud pivot]

compatibility is only an issue if ur like trying to pimp a dell or something

[stray tiger]

Get it in WK if available and convert it

[tall hollow]

Will these memory timings work with my cpu of choice? What clock speed of the memory should I use?

It's stuff like that that really gets people

[cloud pivot]

ram defaults to jedec

which just runs

you dont always have to run xmp/expo anyways

[tall hollow]

It's the fine details that play a huge role in how your build performs

[cloud pivot]

both are actually not that good

ultimately they are just oc presets irrespective of how the individual die on that package performs

[tranquil iris]

yeah I build my own pcs and my friends for a while now, so far every pc worked flawless, the only thing that happend 2 months ago that I ripped the small triangle from my 12HPWR because I wanted to check if my cable had uneven pins

I glued it back but I was in shock

[uneven cradle]

should be compatible with WK/WKL and HHKB with venom

[cloud pivot]

most people i see using xmp/expo have encountered many more instability than actual benefits

either run jedec or manually tune your sticks to your setup 😎

[stray tiger]

Oh it's just blockers?

[uneven cradle]

i believe so

[tranquil iris]

Hmm yeah I just wonder why they are a good amount cheaper, because by budget is around 70 Euro so I obv pick the best for my price range

[thorn zealot]

im pretty sure u can swap the top part so u can change layouts whenever

kinda like the keycult 0

[stray tiger]

Oh nice, I love those options

[uneven cradle]

https://bowlkeyboards.com/pages/vella

price is nice too

[tranquil iris]

only thing with ram is, that blue leds are pretty fragile for some reason, like on my kingston kit they started to dimm after 2 weaks and on my kit now (adata) they broken after 14months

[thorn zealot]

it will prob be one of the best cases for he

[cloud pivot]

i just turn off rgb 😎

[thorn zealot]

besides the ones where u need a custom plate for like derivative

[cloud pivot]

i dont need to look at my case when im staring at my monitor and using the computer

[tranquil iris]

yeah I think my next build will be plain white with like silent wing 4 pro

[cloud pivot]

also my current kit has no rgb anyways

teamgroup tcreate ddr5

[tranquil iris]

but anyways today is sunday that means for me there is nothing to do because everything is closed

[cloud pivot]

no heatspreaders either which is actually a benefit (previous owner was so based for removing them)

most ram spreaders are quite garbage

[tranquil iris]

do you know alot about ram?

[cloud pivot]

i used to be very invested in ddr4 era yeah

but ddr5 is just good now

so no more incentives

[stray tiger]

Yup just using blockers so that's perfect

[tranquil iris]

can I dm you quick I have a question or two because I think thats the wrong channel for that

[cloud pivot]

we could move over to #🔌│tech

[stray tiger]

When does pre-order open up?

[tranquil iris]

or that

[thorn zealot]

says by end of 2025

and it has vendors like everywhere

[stray tiger]

Oh it's just an in-stock buy? Even better

[stray tiger]

Yeah doesn't show a pre-order or group buy window so looks like it's a straight in-stock buy.

[thorn zealot]

🙏

a venom with casef or less than $200

[tranquil iris]

they are missing operating force that what I needed to compare them

[fallen pecan]

ah. none of the sellers have that info

[tranquil iris]

yeah kinda weird but someone told me already its about 28 for 40g and 35 for 50g

[tardy obsidian]

hey whats the most silent switch for wooting 60he? i am using geon raw switches rn

[tawdry tree]

Haimu Silents and Raeds..

Here’s the Haimu Silents: https://a.aliexpress.com/_EHrKNYW

[honest nacelle]

@harsh dove sorry for ping I can't find ur profile any other way 😭

[tulip rapids]

Sorry for the ping

https://tenor.com/view/goku-goku-stare-goku-meme-goku-angry-dark-goku-gif-9241577022218433700

[radiant thorn]

hi everyone i was wondering, does anyone have a link or spreadsheet with all the compatible switches for Wooting60HE/80HE?

[sacred elm]

https://wootingmods.com/switchguide/

[tranquil iris]

What about those or they inferior to Owlab HE

UR Pink Ice

[sacred elm]

This is just pink version of UR Ice Ultra

[fallen pecan]

I have these, they nicer

[tranquil iris]

And the Ice Ultra is ? Same/worse then the Owlab

[tranquil iris]

Are they closed bottom too

[fallen pecan]

Yes

[tranquil iris]

They look like they from the same factory

[sacred elm]

They are equally good, Ice Ultras have a bit deeper sound than Owlab Ti's

[sacred elm]

They are both made by hejin

[tranquil iris]

• The duhuk Lumia Herz and Point too right ?

[sacred elm]

lumia herz is a recolor of owlab ti

[tranquil iris]

And is only available in 42G

[tranquil iris]

You like the sound more or why ?

[cloud pivot]

which he switches have upstroke dampeners again?

[sacred elm]

Duhuk core

[cloud pivot]

that and genty right

somehow i remember there also being another

ah yeah it was dd pink switches with dampeners on both ends

[sacred elm]

Genty isnt dampened at all

[cloud pivot]

but those are unusable anyways

[sacred elm]

Fake silent switch

[cloud pivot]

wait wot

LOL

what was the point then

[tranquil iris]

So all the UR Studio are the Same Except somehow in the description of the pink one it says 47G instead of 50G

[sacred elm]

Probably just lighter spring or the description is wrong

[tranquil iris]

Everglide UE look the same too didn’t know that there are that many switches

For He

But between Herz, OwLab and UR Ice I should get the cheapest because they are basically the same quality wise

[sacred elm]

Yes but UR Ice Ultras have a bit different sound, they are deeper

[tranquil iris]

Sound doesn’t really matter to me

[sacred elm]

There is also Phylina Lightning, its basically UR Ice Ultra with a box stem, very stable switch with almost no stem wobble, you might aswell check those too

[tranquil iris]

I see black/pink color options right

What do you use rn

[sacred elm]

I use wuque flux and I dont recommend them

[sacred elm]

Honestly, just get them

They sound good and have almost no wobble

[tranquil iris]

Do I need to lube them

[sacred elm]

Factory lube should be as good as owlab and other switches

[tranquil iris]

The only thing I want to know is what exactly is magnetic flux because the Duhuk Herz for some reason have a unusual amount of bottom out 900, every other switch is around 650-750. I mean there is a reason for that and I want to know why

[sacred elm]

Both will work fine but 900gs version is recommended for wooting

Bottom out flux doesnt matter if its within the range, both versions are within the range

[tranquil iris]

Ah okay so 900g is most optimal but that irrelevant. Why are the Owlab so popular compared to the others like I saw no one talking about the phylina lighting or the herz (even tho for me they are cheaper)

[tawdry tree]

Haimu Silents, Yiqian/Outemu’s Silents (including Gamakay Silent Phoenixes), then TTC and Leobog (neither works well) and Genty’s don’t work at all as the rails don’t interact with the silicone dampener, they hit the hard pastic before the dampeners are reached. 😃👍

[tranquil iris]

Both are actually cheaper I think it’s 46 dollars for 91 Lightings and around 42 for Herz

[sacred elm]

No reason, they are all equally good

[cloud pivot]

what the fuck was gat even thinking ROFL

[sacred elm]

Same generation

[cloud pivot]

also i didnt know yiqian had silents

[tawdry tree]

They weren’t.

[cloud pivot]

definitely

how do you even design it to NOT WORK

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, Gamakay and Glorious’ shit..

[sacred elm]

I want to try phylinas, they seem to be pretty good

[tawdry tree]

They invented dual rails so can’t say I was surprised honestly

[sacred elm]

Quad rails soon 💪

[cloud pivot]

multi rails are so epic i love it when my switch binds mid travel

[tawdry tree]

No USA vendor yet?

[sacred elm]

No

[cloud pivot]

man i need ttc to cook and bring their frozen silent engineering into a HE switch

that would be endgame for me outside of raeds

frozen silents are the unappreciated peak of ttc fr

[tawdry tree]

If that happens, the whole silent game for magnetic switches would be dead which isn’t profitable so it won’t happen. Unless 👀

[tranquil iris]

Yeah makes sense , so in summary. lighting best stem wobble/stability, Duhuk Lumia Herz a recolor/irrelevant but more optimal magnet, UR ICE Ultra slightly deeper sound and Duhuk Lumia On point lighter sound because of the PA+30% Fiberglass Housing

[cloud pivot]

tbh i think it would be endgame overall

frozen silent dampeners are so firm that they are more than usable for gaming

[tawdry tree]

for me as well

[cloud pivot]

• they still absorb a lot of force compared to bare mx(he)

[sacred elm]

Yeah, all of them are good options but I would definitely go with phylinas

[tranquil iris]

Will you check them out in the near future ?

[sacred elm]

Probably when they will be available in the US

Im also waiting for tikkens

[tranquil iris]

Oh okay then I think I’m set for the lightings or one of the Duhuks

Material makes no difference because they are PC while the OWLAB are (atleast the bottom is) PA

Like the durability

[glacial wind]

If you get the lightning then grab the lightning pro version

Has a longer spring which might be nice

[tranquil iris]

Idk they not listed as pro on mechkeys

[sacred elm]

pink is new version

[simple phoenix]

https://kbdcraft.store/products/case-adam?sku=18066908367771192549901690

is this 60% Adam X compatible with the 60HE?

[tawdry tree]

Not without a custom plate.

[tranquil iris]

They the same price they are 50g bottom right

[sacred elm]

Not sure

[simple phoenix]

thanks! where can i get a custom plate?

[sacred elm]

https://hypekeyboards.ca

[tawdry tree]

You’d have to design one that fits that case specifically, then get it made by some CNC/Laser cutting service.

[tranquil iris]

Seems like it I really need to understand some key things. Because if the lighting are 35G Operating Force at 50G Bottom Out. How the Duhuk Herz are also 35G Operating Force but 42G Bottom Out. Its like the spring ?

[sacred elm]

Different spring

[simple phoenix]

i see, okay!

[simple phoenix]

thanks! they ship to US?

[quasi hinge]

Why is 900 optimal for wooting but then the rest is okay at 700?

[tranquil iris]

Yeah because in theory if one of these values is missing, two 50G Bottom Out Switches could feel different especially with light key presses, makes sense or no

Or I am special

[tawdry tree]

I’m not sure 700 is fine. For the boards with the updated hardware it is but I doubt it’s fine for the older boards.

[sacred elm]

Most likely

[quasi hinge]

I was buying the herz switches for a buddy and they had 2 options, they said 900 wooting then 700 for the other boards…

[simple phoenix]

is that notion page with all the compatible cases still up?

[quasi hinge]

First time I had encountered that when buying switches

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, though it could be they say that cause most compatible switches have been around that (a little over even).

[sacred elm]

its not up to date afaik

[simple phoenix]

ah, i see

[tawdry tree]

I have no clue which boards require 700 and don’t work with 900, that’s the real mystery 😂

[quasi hinge]

Yeah Im stumped, sales guy just asked what board then said 900 for wooting

[tawdry tree]

Maybe Keychron’s?

[cloud pivot]

wouldnt woot still work with 700 too

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, well at least the newer boards.

[sacred elm]

Pretty much always 50g bottom out switches have 35g initial force, if one has long spring then they will feel slightly different initially

[cloud pivot]

also this reminds me of yiqian pinks advertising as 2800g

[tawdry tree]

There was some time where Raw HEs had issues but that got fixed, then it came back and got fixed again (not sure how it is now on the older boards).

[quasi hinge]

Here

[tawdry tree]

Fake news, same with Kailh’s Astrals.

[cloud pivot]

ye i knew it had to be fake coming from a company that literally clones mx switches anyways