🔧│keyboard_modding

[untold wigeon]

the 🐐

[chilly mural]

https://youtu.be/Dbw0tLuHJ3o

Another rhythm game that woot knob might be able to do

unlike Kshoot/SDVX ther'e's no simulator though.

[reef oar]

https://tenor.com/view/mochi-mochimon-mochimons-cat-cute-cat-gif-16923657933760212593

[chilly mural]

gaming with just knob

[cloud pivot]

wait this is actually fucking fire

i finally dont have to blow hard money on a sdvx controller???

[chilly mural]

sdvx controller cost as much as wooting

[cloud pivot]

yes but i can use wooting for more than just sdvx

such as typing and killing zombies by slamming them with it

[chilly mural]

Good enough

but yeah

SDVX with wooting gonna be possible

[cloud pivot]

i still prefer cab more but im moving to a place with no arcades soon

[sacred elm]

Calder shitting on 0.005mm is so funny lmao

[glacial wind]

ah so calder is familiar with the chinese bilibili cheated latency testing methods lol

[sacred elm]

We need to clip that

[tidal frigate]

@glacial wind madlions ddosed mark

[sacred elm]

lol

[glacial wind]

that's what happens when mark starts leaking

it's a new wooting measure to prevent leaks

[sacred elm]

LMAO

Calder lost his mind

[glacial wind]

calder is on the 2.75u team. I knew he was a classy gentleman

[tawdry tree]

^

That explains it sno.

[glacial wind]

and so ends the great split spacebar war. Calder has slain the 2.5u and 2.25u split alternatives in noble combat

[tawdry tree]

this is a disastrous day for sure.

other boards will copy it.

it’ll be worse for everyone

it’s over.

[glacial wind]

it will usher in an era of 2.75u superiority for all. Long live the 2.75u king!

[tawdry tree]

RAKKA will take the wooting refugees, I have hope.

[tropic urchin]

Rakka takka kitty bakka supremacy

[sacred elm]

Bakka

[tawdry tree]

[tropic urchin]

These ronin keycaps have to fucking ship bro

I need separate keycaps so lazurite can go back on 80HE

[tidal frigate]

Guys I know how knob works

[tawdry tree]

:

[tropic urchin]

(

[sacred elm]

ok

[tropic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/bankroll-pump-the-volume-volume-up-gif-16375339

[sweet oak]

Crunch maxing

[tawdry tree]

https://x.com/oyasumiiii08/status/1928041747692802157 Phylina Lightning sound test. 😃👍

[ionic breach]

o7

[tawdry tree]

how tf u manage that

😭

[ionic breach]

im not actually banned

[fluid ravine]

My cousin found a seller that sells gmk black snail alphas

[ionic breach]

its just that geekhack is bugged and the only way to access it for me is thru tor

and they banned some tor ips

[tawdry tree]

ah

[sacred elm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzKehH7TTVM

[glacial wind]

Clearly the answer is the unreleased tenz x 80he wooting

Wasabi would agree since he understands the value of tenz aura

[tall hollow]

I wonder what the tenz 80HE would be like if it even exists

Cauz I know the pulsar X2 tenz edition is special because its shape was dialed in for his specific grip style, I wonder what you could do to a keyboard to make it better suited for someone like tenz

[glacial wind]

i assume it'll be more just a tenz case, like with optimum

maybe a custom knob would be really cool too

[tall hollow]

Oh trueeeee

[wide turtle]

Still no sound reviews on the Holy80 case? 😦

[trail bane]

Check out on youtube

[glacial wind]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B25Pc8mSDkk

[wide turtle]

Yeah, but I was waiting for some other channels to do a sound comparison to see if the sound improves or not

[glacial wind]

it won't be an improvement

it's a holy case - you kind of go into it knowing that the sound will suffer a bit due to the giant holes in the case

[mossy river]

0.001mm rt 🤑 32k, 256k, 2300k‼️🤑 hifi 🤑 rgb 🤑 pro plus max ultra 🤑 hot swap🤑 yet another ttc recolor 🤑 thock 🤑 500 fps rgb 🤑

[fringe quarry]

without "leaks" this time?

[trail bane]

Crazy

[chilly mural]

mad60he

looks like wooting, works like wooting, can't use wootility though.

[chilly mural]

everything else is bad, ttc recolor is alright. At least that one is genuinely great other than the lube.

[fluid ravine]

i deadass thought you was a spam bought or smth when i took a quick glance at the channel

finna report your ass

[solar tundra]

Okay to all my Clacky Enjoyers, what do i need to make a Creamy Clacky Keyboard? Wanna use TTC POMs

[fluid ravine]

lowkey, in venom with rawhukies, alu and fr4 plate smack, even PP plate

did me pretty good if you ask me about creamy clack (usually i would just consider clack for HE boards but after coming from MX, reconsidering)

[solar tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gbVLpeAb8H8

[fluid ravine]

foam

[mossy river]

shit i said rgb twice

but yesh i do remember seeing 500fps rgb on a keyboard being advertised

[tawdry tree]

https://x.com/arbiterstudio/status/1928526827611632008 💀

Arbiter Studio (@arbiterstudio)

Coming soon...

X · May 30, 2025, 7:00 PM

[obtuse musk]

Okay this is what I have settled on.

[chilly mural]

hmm, I looked into Lemokey L5 HE and it's basically a more expensive P1 HE with possibly same switch compatibility (so basically not compatible with POM and Ti HE). Same o $200 price tag while the older one is $170.

[chilly mural]

very noice

should be perfect

and can swap to tikken without worry about stab

[obtuse musk]

yeah idk yet if I will but I figured I should leave that option open

oh I had 1 too little of the owlabs in cart

[wispy vine]

Are those stabs good? Idk much about stabilizers

[obtuse musk]

good thing I noticed, would have driven me crazy

[wispy vine]

I was looking at them too

[obtuse musk]

idk much either, people keep recommending them so I figured I'd go with them

and they sound good based on the video clips I've seen of them

[wispy vine]

Alright thanks that's good to know

[little glen]

Knight v2 are good

I assume v3 is probably similar

[sweet oak]

Holy shit Godzilla

Godzilla definitely crunches

[calm lake]

knight v2 are the black sheep

no wire compatiblity with v1 and v3 and a lot lot lot of people experienced heavily bent wires

v3 should be a very easy stab to tune and drive

[little glen]

Idk

I had none of those issues with my 2 knight v2

[wispy vine]

For a plate, Aluminum vs FR4 vs Carbon Fiber. Which would help promote thockiness or be the least clacky?

[stray tiger]

FR4 out of those choices

[wispy vine]

Awesome thank you

[calm lake]

?

its not a matter of ur qc being unlucky

people got those issues on a much higher case rate

and the v2 wires being incompatile with other versions was just something that happened

theres a good reason v3 came out so quickly

still leaps and bounds better than tx tho

[untold wigeon]

i think l5 he is ks20 compatible

[calm lake]

it is not

[untold wigeon]

nvm

i was wrong

it was different board

my bad

[calm lake]

which board ?

[untold wigeon]

i had a different board in mind

[chilly mural]

I checked the L5 switch, it has the dual rail that P1 switch has.

that's enough to tell me to avoid it.

[untold wigeon]

yea, just keychron doing their own stuff

if only

they're using ks20

it would be a good banger

[stray tiger]

My issue with the v3's is the wire diameter is too small. Ive had 2 sets now where the spacebar wire has slipped out when pulling keycaps.

[untold wigeon]

their software is not that bad

[tawdry tree]

it is afaik

[untold wigeon]

and l5 with top mount is lovely

[calm lake]

W product page then

[fringe quarry]

just list every switch it doesnt support

[tawdry tree]

oh weird

maybe the renders of the switch they use is wrong

[calm lake]

as shit as the almost propietary switch standard keychron uses is, it would be doubly weird if they just randomly started allowing ks20 out of the blue

[tawdry tree]

the render shows outemu’s magnetic switches

[untold wigeon]

because i saw someone's vid that says it's ks20 hotswap-able

[tawdry tree]

oh no

I’m blind as fuck

[chilly mural]

LMAO

[chilly mural]

you can see that shit is dual rail

[tawdry tree]

they’re those mysterious gaterons

[tawdry tree]

it’s not really

that’s why I thought it was outemu

they have those real fake dual rails as well

[chilly mural]

ohhh

[tawdry tree]

what the fuck is this guy talking about? these are outemus.

[chilly mural]

Still a chance though it might support ks-20, however since it isn't said anywhere, might as well be safe.

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[tawdry tree]

centered magnet

so yeah

they’re using an offset sensor

[fringe quarry]

will optimum case still be available when 60he v2 launches

[glacial wind]

they said they'll keep making it as long as it's popular basically

[untold wigeon]

ye

if u live in US

and the tariffs are still there

[fringe quarry]

then ill hope optimum doesnt get cancelled or sum till then

[untold wigeon]

and there is no more stock

maybe u have to wait for a while

[fringe quarry]

i luckily dont

[untold wigeon]

W

[glacial wind]

it's honestly the nicest plain looking case they sell so i would wager it'll stay quite popular for a long time

[chilly mural]

I feel like optimum case will be bought out more by the time 60hev2 comes out.

[untold wigeon]

yep, since the stock wooting case looks is not for everyone

[chilly mural]

yeh

basically 60hev2 case without the strap

[untold wigeon]

what is the typing angle for optimum?

[fringe quarry]

lowkey nicest looking 60% case i know

[untold wigeon]

ah 4 or 7

the pros about the wooting cases is interchangeable typing angle

[fringe quarry]

how is that a negative

[untold wigeon]

i'm tripping

editing the chat message, i noticed it as well

[fringe quarry]

although the implementation on the 80 is kinda ugly imo

[chilly mural]

Why? I love it

[untold wigeon]

i love it more

since i can put my iem cable under the keeb

it's like a flip keyboard stand

[fringe quarry]

having that grey plastic next to the black metal

atleast color it

[fringe quarry]

ye i did that too lol

[untold wigeon]

ngl that's the nicest part of the wooting case rather than my gt80

still rocking the pcr case

since i feel it's more convenient to use

[fringe quarry]

i gotta do some kind of under desk cable management

[chilly mural]

I route a 3.5mm jack extension under my table and connect it to my pc. The female sits right in the middle near where my chest is

[fringe quarry]

although my cable kinda too short for that rn

[untold wigeon]

since i moved out for my university, i'm not using a pc at all..
rn, rocking the rog gaming laptop

[chilly mural]

That setup is perfect since I regularly connect and disconnect the headphone jack

[untold wigeon]

i might do the setup, when i'm going to be at my apartment more often

but rn, a lot of classes and i'm going home only to sleep

[sacred elm]

WHAT

[fringe quarry]

damn

thats cheaper then the switches

[stray tiger]

Only $40 shipping plus another $100 in tariffs

[trail bane]

M yeah

aadihsoy needs more money

[peak breach]

You only have to use these on 1’2 mm pcbs right?

[upbeat sorrel]

has anyone tried the WS Dash HE? looking to get them and wanted to get some thogutsh

[trail bane]

I used right one on my spacebar

[peak breach]

i'll try that then

[trail bane]

Bit quiter and deap sound

[fringe quarry]

ye you can use the tape on all stabs

[sacred elm]

Dont buy them, they are outdated. Buy Owlab Ti's instead

Cheaper and better

[fringe quarry]

but the other things for thin pcb

[trail bane]

If i remember correctly they are just one more gateron jade recolour

[harsh dove]

Yeah WS Dash are just a OG Gateron Jade recolor, Not Jade Pros

[trail bane]

Hi cam

[harsh dove]

The ones of the left are shims for 1.2mm PCB and the ones on the right are similar to the Stabilizer Pads that come on the 80HE

I personally am not a fan of stabilizer pads but you can try them yourself and see if you like them

[harsh dove]

Hey wassup

[trail bane]

Haven’t seen you in the chat for a while.

[harsh dove]

I lurk

[trail bane]

[untold wigeon]

so cheap

wow

$87 inc shipping for me

best budget HE keyboard now

[upbeat sorrel]

ty everyone for the feedback

saw them on amazon for 47 bucks thats why i asked

for 70 pieces

[glacial wind]

it's cause new gen is coming too. That real67 or whatever the name was

[stray tiger]

Reminder that this sale started this morning - https://novelkeys.com/collections/top-dogs/products/gmk-leftovers

[glacial wind]

i'm not going to click on that link for the safety of my bank account

[stray tiger]

Wise choice

[upbeat sorrel]

So the og jades are the same as the ws dash? From my understanding

[fringe quarry]

gmk mid

[sacred elm]

Yes

[upbeat sorrel]

Alright thanks. Is it better to get the jade pros then?

[sacred elm]

Owlab Ti

Less wobble, cleaner sound

Cheaper

[harsh dove]

Also not clicking lol

Have taken a break on keeb stuff since my Protagonist

[harsh dove]

Yes, just different colors

[digital vale]

Bento Revivals, thats a quick -99 on the bank account, thanks for that one.

[upbeat sorrel]

Thank you

[tulip rapids]

might have to cope it

nvm the discount looks like its gone

[upbeat sorrel]

That sale is very tempting lol but have too many keycaps and too many boards

[sacred elm]

https://kbdfans.com/products/melgeek-made68-pro-diy-magnetic-switch-keyboard-with-ttc-kom-switches

[tulip rapids]

ty homie🌹

[upbeat sorrel]

Damn 65?!

[tulip rapids]

fr so much cheaper than wooting

[harsh dove]

I mean you're comparing a product on sale vs a product at MSRP, but sure lol

and it has $41 shipping

[stray tiger]

and almost $70 in tariffs to the US

[harsh dove]

That too

[upbeat sorrel]

Damn nvm hahaha

I just bought a polar65 locally for 50 bucks

Haven’t tried it out yet

[harsh dove]

Nice

I don't know much of Polar65 but sounds like a good price

[upbeat sorrel]

Yeah sounds pretty good. Sadly it’s only the space bar that’s a screw in stab

And you can’t just take those switches out and put them on another he board sadly

[untold wigeon]

i think polar 65 is not hotswap-able

the "og" polar65

since there are holes on the pcb socket

[upbeat sorrel]

Makes sense

Btw how do I get the “ihaswooting” roles?

[untold wigeon]

purchase a keyboard from the web

and connect ur discord account with ur hub wooting account

[upbeat sorrel]

Ahh gotcha ty ty

[untold wigeon]

https://x.com/gabuchan99/status/1928516544700551258?t=vkKDJfc89cnPF8dntacEdQ&s=19

gabuchan (@gabuchan99)

NJ68v2 for MelGeek Made68

X · May 30, 2025, 6:19 PM

if someone considering to buy the $65 made68 pro

[tropic urchin]

they even have Lazurite + Novelties very nice

rare find outside of mechmarket

[ionic breach]

its sorted into budget to maximise spending

and they have crimson cadet

[stray tiger]

The base kits with more caps in them are priced higher. If you look at the cheaper kits, they are the ones that typically will have a bunch of add-ons available.

[upbeat sorrel]

ended up buying jade pros

[stray tiger]

I cant lie though, if Darling and Pharoah base kits hadn't been sold out so quickly, I'd have picked them up just to have them

[upbeat sorrel]

darling is such a great set

[ionic breach]

yea its quite impressive how much work goes into deciding kitting

v nice on silver

[upbeat sorrel]

id love to get my hands on DCS windbreaker tbh

[thorn zealot]

idk if u consider this "creamy clack"

[tropic urchin]

Who’s going to tell him there is no creamy in this space

[stray tiger]

Sure there is. You just need some Tikken's

[harsh dove]

Tikkens will be what everyone always comes in here asking for, Creamy Marbly Thock

[silk hound]

Insane deal with ttc kom too

[fringe quarry]

https://kbdfans.com/collections/clearance/products/tecsee-metal-coated-golden-linear-switches

what are those 😭

[tropic urchin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOOalEorTmg so we're getting this then

[thorn zealot]

my poopoo earlier looked prettier than this

[polar girder]

lol ofc

[glacial wind]

dam joeykaotyk was at the wooting booth for ages lol

only just got around to watching the vod

if we had watched that vod earlier we would have seen calder was on team 2.75u split way earlier cause he explained it to joey on stream

[tawdry tree]

we watched it earlier

mark answers then that the tiny knob was continuous as well

[glacial wind]

to joey?

[tawdry tree]

more info from that stream than any another, even woot’s lol

[glacial wind]

i haven't finished whole thing yet because it's so long lol

[tawdry tree]

nah, but he shows it

then mark confirmed it

https://x.com/stevenp015/status/1928473516912886245 Akko Astrolink sound test

in a Slice75

[harsh dove]

Basically

[thorn zealot]

i just got my agar working finally

im doing a jeffy now

[upbeat sorrel]

such a nice board

[fluid ravine]

Good now stay away from my snails

[polar girder]

Neat board but I don’t love the aesthetic

I do appreciate the creativity tho

Pretty cool

[thorn zealot]

I took this pic before I swapped ur snail with crp

Surely u don’t mind right

[thorn zealot]

Yeah it is unique

I got it to try hhkb and for a pretty good mx case for relatively cheap price

And aesthetics

[fluid ravine]

YES I DO

[thorn zealot]

Why

I can have ur snails

[fluid ravine]

You cannot

[thorn zealot]

And u can eat some snails over there in nam

[fluid ravine]

Cus I'm getting them white snails to mate the blacks

[thorn zealot]

Why not

U can’t stop me

[fluid ravine]

@sweet oak eat him

Before he eats my snails

🐌

[thorn zealot]

I just built my agar but I’m lookin at this new kb in gb

[fluid ravine]

[thorn zealot]

Kinda want to try some gmk for once

Ur snails are an option

[fluid ravine]

[thorn zealot]

All ima say

[fluid ravine]

Get yourself some GMK WoB

Same thing

[thorn zealot]

Hmm let me think abt that

Boring

[polar girder]

Yeah snails are goated

Don’t let him bully you

[uneven cradle]

Get both and you can mix and match

[thorn zealot]

He’s not bullying me

I am just making him worried

[thorn zealot]

U know what ima just take ur whole mail box with me

[fluid ravine]

NOOOOO

[thorn zealot]

It’s fine u can replace it with a box with 4 chopsticks for lege

[fluid ravine]

Ok so I'm the one getting bullied here @polar girder

[thorn zealot]

Bullying is a very strong word

More like playing monkey in the middle

Pause

[jade prairie]

non waifu themed keycaps🤢 👎

[steel ibex]

Black blank keycaps 👍👍👍👍

[jade prairie]

ahegao keycaps🤙 👍

[flat cobalt]

GMK Cosmo bro

[thorn zealot]

No bro

[flat cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-adorable-punch-gif-17822730

[fluid ravine]

Yes bro

[high nymph]

Thank Goodness! I thought I was the only one using these keycaps 😆

[vale quartz]

link pls

[glacial wind]

Better get on it @sacred elm - new korean drama for you to watch

will the twins who swap places be able to adapt to their new environments? We'll never know the answer until we watch

[sacred elm]

😳

[glacial wind]

also someone tell arcwyn that all the split talk has been shut down by calder's last stream now lol

[sacred elm]

I was watching this but it became so boring

[little glen]

Half the vod is missing

It ends when they had technical difficulties so some stuff got cut out

[glacial wind]

that's unfortunate

2nd half was a good rant from calder on TMR advertising

[little glen]

I hope they can upload it

[tawdry tree]

both are there.

[little glen]

[tawdry tree]

Wooting - Live

[little glen]

did youtube lie to me

[tawdry tree]

https://www.youtube.com/live/gwjiu9kePzM

https://www.youtube.com/live/YQTeLQ665cc

[sacred elm]

is it good

[glacial wind]

only 2 episodes so far so hard to say, it's suddenly become popular in korea though

[fringe quarry]

das a weird dog

[fluid ravine]

You're not Batman

Go back in the shadows

[trail bane]

Cam is recording us because he’s full name is cam of life in zoo

With d "f" ofc

[fluid ravine]

Wdf

What theeee eff

[trail bane]

Camofflife

[fluid ravine]

Finna drop his full gov name to get his ass over here

[trail bane]

Double ff

[fluid ravine]

CAM-

[gusty patio]

I finished this and yeah wasn't memorable

Started Nine Puzzles now, looks pretty interesting

[austere creek]

btw such talk is very well placed in #🎥│entertainment where others can nerd about such media with you

[fringe quarry]

tf is that now

[reef oar]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-friday-friday-morning-gif-1842202440083703916

[high nymph]

really? I stopped watching the stream when there were technical issues. Is the stream on ytb without issues?

s#it I could have just continue reading. I'll view it rn

[glacial wind]

yeah he pretty much said what some of us have been saying already. Which is that they picked 2.75u on left version because it fits gamer resting position more comfortably with the thumb

[tawdry tree]

we’ve known the reason already, it’s just niche stacking at the cost of the many, which imo doesn’t make sense.

it’ll be nice for gamers with an aggressive keyboard tilt ig.

however many that may be.

[uneven cradle]

Still looking for many

[tawdry tree]

“90% of people” 🥰

it’s higher than that obviously.

[glacial wind]

yeah not going over that again. I still have no idea where this 'many' idea comes from

we already know it's such an incredibly small niche of users impacted, but somehow they become the many in this scenario just because the alternative isn't out and popular yet

but that exact same logic used to post-v2 launch would mean the many have become the 2.75u left side users - so the entire logic behind it doesn't hold up at all

seems to me it's just convenient usage of 'many' only in the scenario where it benefits that particular argument then immediately ignoring it once it's no longer applicable

[high nymph]

So, yeah just watched it

I don't agree one bit!

The reason why folks began angling the keyboards was specifically to target the space bar in the middle

[glacial wind]

yeah we know, you're in the camp that uses right side space bar more like aligner

[tawdry tree]

there are facts behind ergonomics as I’ve said before, that’s the reason why one split is used over the other. I haven’t seen anyone who has used the 2.25 split bring up that the left spacebar was too narrow, the opposite actually. so the many includes everyone that is currently using split space and the people that want to use the right spacebar comfortably.

[high nymph]

If the left space bar would be 2.25 (to be compatible with ergonomics and typung), users would only need to angle the keyboard inversely

Problem solved

[glacial wind]

yeah that 'many' definition is just saying 'many of this incredibly small niche to begin with'

that doesn't mean all that much honestly

[high nymph]

split on this iteration is a pass for me

[glacial wind]

you mean right?

it's already left space 2.75u

[high nymph]

what you will start seeing is folks that actually use the keyboard for more than gaming getting thumb injuries

I means 2.25 sorry

[tawdry tree]

also, I believe the tilting calder showed isn’t very reflective of real-world use. a tilt that aggressive normally allows for the thumb to hit numerous keys rather than just the spacebar, so it doesn’t really make sense to cater to that specific group of people.

[high nymph]

right should be 2.75

[glacial wind]

i think it's just you guys are very specific users who this design doesn't apply to and that's all there is to it really

it's not made for your usage and that's ok

[high nymph]

folks began tilting keyboards specifically because of the space bar issues (most keyboards were using costar stabs at that point in time)

[glacial wind]

i don't tilt keyboard and i prefer 2.75u left side

[tawdry tree]

again, there are facts behind ergonomics and the current split fucks over a group of people to cater towards a niche within a niche (going off of existing users).

[glacial wind]

because resting position on wasd is more comfy that way

[glacial wind]

yeah as we've said a million times - no one is arguing with you that your particular demographic of ergonomic right space bar users aren't getting impacted

just that wooting isn't building a keyboard for you and that's fine honestly

[tawdry tree]

sno, 2.75 is either comfortable for you on the homing keys or on WASD. I don’t see how both is possible.

[high nymph]

with fingers resting on wasd my thumb rests below C

[glacial wind]

it's because i don't type perfectly ergonomically

that's how it's possible.

you guys are both looking at it as a 'well clearly everyone should just type ergonomically and those who do are in the many' - but it's not like that. People will type and position how they want and a lot of gamers are wasd sided users

[tawdry tree]

for me, including everyone that is using triple split space and everyone that wants to use the right spacebar comfortably.

[tawdry tree]

how though? if the angle of your board doesn’t change?

[glacial wind]

sure include them if you want. That's fine - wooting is not building a split board for them either and that's ok

what do you mean how? I just don't use right space bar in that spot

[tawdry tree]

and that’s the inconsistency and mistake imo.

[glacial wind]

well yeah. Your group is the one getting affected by it so of course you think it's a mistake

[tawdry tree]

how is 2.75 comfortable for you both on homing and on WASD. It is either comfortable on homing, so the center key remains easy to hit.

[chilly mural]

I feel like aligner forgot wooting makes keyboard for gamers. Besides, I think people that into split that aligner wants prop already have a good typing keyboard and possibly have another for gaming so I dont even think they're the one to make the split for.

[high nymph]

So Wooting is basically inventing a new use case

[glacial wind]

because people are not putting into perfect home row position when they type a lot of the times

that's what you're not getting

they are typing imperfectly

[tawdry tree]

applying the facts of ergonomics and what exists, it is a mistake.

[high nymph]

I have an advice: dont sell split to US. they sue for nothing

[glacial wind]

sure you can apply whatever facts of ergonomics you want

[high nymph]

still have shakes when I recall the vibram 5 fingers law suit in the states

[tawdry tree]

hmm, so when you shift your hand over from homing to WASD, your hand doesn’t shift by 1U?

[glacial wind]

end of the day it's that this particular group impacted isn't all that big and wooting isn't designing their split for them because they want to try something else

[glacial wind]

correct

it just stays wasd dominant

i don't shift

[high nymph]

Yes, this is my understanding in 'inventing a new use case'

[tawdry tree]

ah, I do the same

[tawdry tree]

if it was something heavily requested by 2.25 space users, I could understand.

not even heavily requested, just brought up once would do. 😄

[glacial wind]

honestly i think the entire idea that you cannot make a product unless it's heavily requested or known about first is flawed

[high nymph]

exactly. and this is what boggles me

[tawdry tree]

if there was no reason behind it, of course but there is.

[high nymph]

nobody requested split space bar for gaming

[tawdry tree]

split space bar has been requested so many times, though indeed not particularly often for gaming but the extra button is really nice.

[high nymph]

but I requested them to invest on a keycap mold to accomodate all languages (a 100K investment, I know)

[tawdry tree]

requested here, in this server.*

[high nymph]

I was told the demand must exist before the investment is made

guess same thing does not apply to this topic

[tidal frigate]

Best layout is alice ortholinear egonomic southpaw 75% split, split spacebar with 7u support and 10u support and iso rotated enter best layout

[glacial wind]

some of the greatest products of modern times are products not requested so i think the logic is pretty iffy there

[tidal frigate]

[tawdry tree]

it’s gambling while worsening the odds imo.

[high nymph]

its a pass for me. Need to start putting pressure on Dygma for them to release the Defy with HE switches

[glacial wind]

heavily disagree about the odds.

[fluid ravine]

@glacial wind playing Valorant in Asia server rn in a internet cafe

[tawdry tree]

are there products that defy a previous fact backed standard and did better?

[fluid ravine]

I think I got banned for being too good

[glacial wind]

many

that's not to say your method doesn't work too

[tawdry tree]

10u 😭

[tidal frigate]

Well you got banned because someone cheated on this pc

[glacial wind]

but there are both products that made something different and were hyper successful and also products that just made within a niche that are successful

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

[glacial wind]

one being valid doesn't make the second version invalid

[tidal frigate]

It is best layout

[glacial wind]

both can be valid forms of creating a product and i don't know why it has to be this vs that as the only 2 option where choosing one means losing

[tawdry tree]

any you know of?

[glacial wind]

sure, ipads

iphones

they redid an entire generation of how phones were created and made whether you love or hate apple

before those came out it was all about the keyboards on bottom and blackberries/nokias

[tawdry tree]

hmm, I’d see this more as shifting the key layout on phones instead

[glacial wind]

the bottom line is with some quick research you'll find a lot of products and things/businesses created based on something that didn't exist really or wasn't requested before but became successful after people realized "oh this is neat"

[tawdry tree]

an upgrade maybe. touch screen instead of a physical keyboard, but it’s fair I guess as some people liked the buttons before that.

[glacial wind]

heck my entire business before on youtube was because i made a resource that people didn't think was needed before

but after it was created it became a full time business

[tawdry tree]

that’s not the same as comparing one split to the other, woot isn’t investing split space here.

though I still think it’ll do good as many get exposed to split space which they didn’t before.

[glacial wind]

i don't know, all of these conversations just feel like you're selectively applying the logic only to where it supports your side but then ignoring any logic for the other side

[tawdry tree]

split isn’t really popular in the western market for gaming in particular

[glacial wind]

makes the whole conversation not very productive

[tawdry tree]

nah, it’s the reason behind why one exists and the other doesn’t that you ignore I think.

[high nymph]

this is also not true. Let me give you an example:
Microsoft released Windows 8 without a Start Menu

they were slaughtered on the public media

How did they reach the decision to implement that tech: telemetry! no one was using the Start menu Win Key

They got scolded nonetheless.

People just don't know what they want, when they simply don't know better!!!

[glacial wind]

i'm not ignoring your side. I'm saying both exist and it's okay

you seem to be of the mindset that only one version of creating products can be right and it's just not true at all

both paths are valid and both have success stories of products made in both ways

[tawdry tree]

I just find it odd to fuck over a group of people

[glacial wind]

that's how most products are made - for a particular target customer

you're never ever going to please everyone

[tawdry tree]

when there is an ergonomic, fact backed standard already existing that doesn’t have this problem.

[tawdry tree]

of course.

[glacial wind]

but we've established that we know the ergonomic he gaming group isn't all that big to begin with

[tawdry tree]

it’s how many you please, the more the better.

[glacial wind]

so it's not like it's some giant risk here to alienate that group to try something else

that group is tiny

[tawdry tree]

the % of that group is what matters.

[glacial wind]

percentage is an awful way to measure that

[tawdry tree]

it’s not

[glacial wind]

it's how media loves to pretend things are bigger than actual numbers

"Bear attacks are up 200% this year!"

[uneven cradle]

Yeah if we had what the majority wanted we'd have wireless 60he and a Wooting mouse

[glacial wind]

there was 1 last year and 2 this year

you never look at raw percentage in this way

[high nymph]

don't wake up the numpad wanters 😄

[tawdry tree]

it’s not specifically what the majority wants, but the feedback of that majority (of the niche).

[glacial wind]

and even if for some reason we took percentage of he gamers it would be an insanely small percentage

what do you estimate the percentage of wooting demographic are that care or want a split spacebar with your particular configuration?

[uneven cradle]

Yeah but currently the feedback is so small it's like a rounding error

[high nymph]

in this day and age, not so much! Majority of gamers have an HE board already

[tawdry tree]

I can’t man.

[glacial wind]

okay now take a percentage of that - how many of those guys are ergonomic specifically right space bar users

[high nymph]

but Wooting did relase a servey! do you guys recall?

[glacial wind]

and now also take the niche of that to see how many of those users would be wooting users to begin with

[high nymph]

How many of those are split-space users? 😉

[glacial wind]

it's such an insanely small niche of people to be worried about 'alienating'

[tawdry tree]

the point of preferring 2.75 on the left side, strengthens the point of 2.25 - 1.25 - 2.75

it’s funny

[glacial wind]

yeah exactly. it's such a small thing that i don't know why he thinks it's some big issue if that particular group is alienated

yeah it sucks for them, but it's also such a tiny group of people affected there

[high nymph]

but wooting chose to alienate the possible audience that is split-space bar user ...

[tawdry tree]

because using the feedback of those that actually have some experience with it is better than that of those that haven’t used it to begin with.

[glacial wind]

in exchange for the gamers who like the other method

both of which would be potentially small at first

[high nymph]

my point exactly

[tawdry tree]

the goal of split space shouldn’t be just for the two right keys to be used.

[high nymph]

its a biased decision, and a not a well informed one

[glacial wind]

that's your goal

[tawdry tree]

imo.

[glacial wind]

yeah honestly the entire conversation is both of you don't fit the demographic and don't think it's a good idea because of that

and that's the bottom line really

[high nymph]

WE ARE the demographic LOL

[tawdry tree]

I don’t think it’s a good idea because of fact.

that’s different.

[glacial wind]

i think you got it mixed up

i'm saying the demographic that is fine with 2.75u left side

[high nymph]

how so?

[glacial wind]

not split users

[uneven cradle]

Thing is Wooting is introducing this keyboard to people that have never used split keyboards before. You are not the main demographic

[glacial wind]

^

[high nymph]

Who are those?

[glacial wind]

you keep putting yourself into other peoples shoes and saying "they're using it wrong and will prefer my way" but there's no evidence of that

[high nymph]

True. I see this as a fail. But time will tell....

When thumb injuries begin surfacing

[glacial wind]

i'll put money on it if you want

[tawdry tree]

I don’t doubt many would be fine with 2.75 on the left side. I think it’s drastically different for how many people are fine with 2.25 being on the right.

[glacial wind]

thumb injuries will not be the reason for split issues lol

that i can confidently put money on

[uneven cradle]

Way more people saw the 80HE not being a true "TKL" as a fail and it still sold like hotcakes so I think they'll be fine

[high nymph]

I advise you not to! 🙂

[tawdry tree]

I’m saying people that want to use the right spacebar exist and are a significant amount.

[glacial wind]

sure, but i'm stil lwaiting for any evidence that these people are a significant amount

like just logically we already know it's a niche within a niche of people

[tawdry tree]

because that’s how many learn to type man

[glacial wind]

yeah but where are the supporters then

[tawdry tree]

?

[glacial wind]

we keep talking about it as if there's some big demographic of people, but i've not seen one ounce of evidence that shows it

it can't be just a 'bro trust me lots of people are like this' when the niche of users is so small to begin with

[tawdry tree]

you don’t believe there is a significant amount of people that press space with their right thumb?

[high nymph]

hold my beer

[glacial wind]

i don't believe there are a significant amount of people who are wooting buyers/users that press space with right thumb in that exact way that interferes like you do

[glossy pagoda]

Ooeh season two of the hit new drama, "2u or not 2u" is premiering

[glacial wind]

there's a big difference between 'people who press space with right thumb' and 'people who are wooting customers/users who press space with right thumb'

[glacial wind]

like let's be real here.

you don't even use your wooting keyboard yourself

[uneven cradle]

[tawdry tree]

alright, you don’t believe there are a significant amount of wooting users that press space with their right thumb?

[glacial wind]

no don't change the language

[high nymph]

me?

[glacial wind]

no aligner

he doesn't even use his wooting keyboard

[high nymph]

sorry my bad

[glacial wind]

which is fine, but like he's not even the wooting demographic

[tawdry tree]

elaborate

[tawdry tree]

not frequently, sure.

[high nymph]

one last for the fire:

[tawdry tree]

anymore.*

[glacial wind]

"I don't believe there is a significant amount of wooting customers/potential customers who are impacted by wooting split space decision"

there

you can quote me on that

[glossy pagoda]

A full 100% of the people who I know who both use their right thumb for the spacebar and have tried this split version have reported no issues

[high nymph]

for how long?

[tawdry tree]

if they don’t mind 2.75 on the left, they would prefer 2.75 on the right. that is the point.

[high nymph]

If you'd be so kind to send me a DVT sample for testing I would appreciate. I can sign NDA

4 modules are on the fence for this decision

[glacial wind]

i believe mark charges a $150k fee for that

[tawdry tree]

and again, I’m fairly certain no long time split space user would suggest this split.

[glacial wind]

sure i agree with that

because existing long term split users use their keyboard very differently to typical wooting customer

[tawdry tree]

(meaning it wasn’t designed by those who’ve used it for a long time)

[high nymph]

This is also, unfortunately, true

[glacial wind]

correct. It wasn't designed for those guys

[tawdry tree]

it’s not. HM66, RAKKA.

https://tenor.com/view/worry-froge-froge-frog-frog-meme-concerned-froge-gif-11682222603679007150

[glacial wind]

okay so how many of hm66 and rakka users are wootings ideal target demographic and what percentage do you think they represent

specifically hm66 and rakka users who also use split option

[tawdry tree]

HM66 and RAKKA both are a high performance, HE, gaming focused board. if that’s not akin to wooting’s customer idfk what is honestly.

should add premium in that list as well.

[glacial wind]

that's the disconnect honestly.

[tawdry tree]

elaborate

[uneven cradle]

Ah so HE keyboards already exists that's in the exact split spacebar layout you want it in, sounds like the market has you covered

[high nymph]

hmm I honestly dont see a disconnect with any brand at this point in time

[glacial wind]

because rakka and hm66 customers specifically looking for split option are not wootings 'target customer'

[glacial wind]

i'm talking about the disconnect between how he thinks of wootings target demographic

[tawdry tree]

hopper, this who rant of mine is not because I want it, it’s because of the logic behind it.

[glacial wind]

rakka and hm66 made those splits for an incredibly small niche of users, many of whom don't even use it in that fashion

[tawdry tree]

both are optional brother, unlike woot. 😭

[glacial wind]

which is great and cool that they have that option

no one is taking that away from them

[high nymph]

take my example.I am NOT a commercial customer. I have more that 20 wooting keyboards
Lately I see myself buying more Keychron HE boards lately.
Why?

[glacial wind]

but what if wooting isn't targeting that particular demographic of customers

[glossy pagoda]

? Split spacebar is optional?

[uneven cradle]

Cheap

[distant crag]

anyone know how to lube magnetic switches similar to factory lube? My used UR Ice Ultras sounds scratchy after less than a month of use compared to my new Ice Ultras.

[high nymph]

true. but a pass for me in this current design

[tawdry tree]

so people can try it out without having to commit man.

[glacial wind]

just go light on lube on the stem and that's your standard lube

[uneven cradle]

Keychron is a known brand name and they are relatively cheap is my guess

[high nymph]

I would need a sample to test. hence my request for a DVT sample 😄

[glossy pagoda]

There's a 30 day return policy, feel free to make use of it

[tawdry tree]

so HM66 and RAKKA made their optional split for the very niche group of users that already used split space beforehand (no clue what’s backing this up) and Woot is not. ok.

[glossy pagoda]

Does cost return shipping, but that's reasonable

[high nymph]

I don't want to bother with the hassle . also, returns hurt the environment

[sacred elm]

not the split spacebar talk again NOOOOOO

[tawdry tree]

I hope this is not a serious argument but I can’t tell.. 😭

[sacred elm]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

arc almost joined please stop

😭

[tawdry tree]

😂😭😂

[languid kestrel]

it's not "again" when it never ends

[high nymph]

I hope that Calder gets the feedback 😄 he was 'looking forward' for this 😄

[languid kestrel]

it's just the first time, going on for two weeks now

[tawdry tree]

truee

[sacred elm]

Get over it

[tawdry tree]

it’s difficult

[distant crag]

I already did that, but it sounds much louder compared to stock. Top out sounds louder for my ice ultras. 😦

[tawdry tree]

it pains me deeply.

[tidal frigate]

Mark typing

[glossy pagoda]

It absolutely is. We've designed the product to be the best based on our perspective of what best means. The return policy allows you to test the waters if you're unsure

[uneven cradle]

You're not even in the market for the product

[glacial wind]

i don't understand how it pains you so deeply when you're not even a wooting user normally lol

[tawdry tree]

that’d be woot paying for it man. 😭

returns aren’t free

[tawdry tree]

cause I care.

about woot and about innovation

[glossy pagoda]

It costs the return label and some effort, not exactly a high barrier of entry

[tidal frigate]

Mark why someone changed my delivery info if everything was fine.

[glacial wind]

honestly i think you just care more about wooting making a board you want and it's not about the rest lol

[uneven cradle]

Well I imagine they expect the vast majority of people not to care

Or how about this actually enjoy it

[high nymph]

quick question Mark ? Was the 60HE v2 designed with feedback from the form you guys sent a few weeks ago?

[glacial wind]

which btw is totally fine way to think about it because everyone wants a board made for their preferences - just that i think the emphasis on it being about wootings success or sales is a bit much

[tawdry tree]

for the split, no. 64, yes. though I’m not arguing for the layouts just because, they offer something that you couldn’t get otherwise (or something along those lines).

[glossy pagoda]

The hardware survey? No that's aimed towards future products, this product was already in development for a year or so

[glacial wind]

i view it like this and even this is being generous with the overlap. I think it's even smaller overlap

[high nymph]

Thanks for clearing that out

[tawdry tree]

that goes for everything and anything I argue for or against really.

[tidal frigate]

Future?

[tawdry tree]

wooting customers who want to use the right spacebar comfortably*

[high nymph]

the right circle will be way smaller 😄

[glacial wind]

yeah

it's very generous on how big the overlap and size of right circle would be lol

[tidal frigate]

Mark it will make my dhl delivery guy work harder

[tawdry tree]

and again, with 2.25, the middle key is closer. that’s an advantage as well for all the people that would be comfortable with a 2.25 left space.

[glossy pagoda]

Again, there has been no feedback of any kind to suggest that the current design is not comfortable to use

[high nymph]

Would be interesting to know where/how you guys gathered this feedback

[tawdry tree]

ergonomics 1 on 1. 😃👍

[glossy pagoda]

The people who have used it thus far

[tawdry tree]

how many and for how long is that, if you know?

[languid kestrel]

aligner is convinced that the only spot that's comfortable to press spacebar is at the edge of the 2.75u spacebar on the right side

all other spots that would be achieved by moving your thumb 1 micrometer is unusable, uncomfortable and dangerous to humanity

[tidal frigate]

Mark can you release feedback in fancy graphs or it is hidden because other companies can steal data?

[tawdry tree]

again, if anyone prefers 2.75 on the left, that strengthens the point of 2.75 on the right as there’s less overhang there.

[uneven cradle]

If I had a heatmap of my spacebar currently this is how it's lookin

[glossy pagoda]

Who even actually rests their index fingers on F and J to make that picture even remotely relevant? Lol

[tawdry tree]

does that make sense?

[tawdry tree]

😭

[languid kestrel]

it does not

[tidal frigate]

League players

[tawdry tree]

💀

[high nymph]

you're joking right? 😄

[tawdry tree]

LOL

[uneven cradle]

What games you guys playing with F and J

[sacred elm]

Mine

💀

Literally never use right side of the spacebar

[glossy pagoda]

Not at all joking... I was trained that way in computer class in grade school but since then it's not relevant

[tawdry tree]

do you use your keyboard for anything else other than gaming?

[uneven cradle]

I do but I'm always locked in with my fingers resting on WASD

[high nymph]

Do you type for a living ? 😄

[glossy pagoda]

I do a heck of a lot more typing than gaming

[languid kestrel]

is there a chance wooting would walk back on the design in response to pressure? or did you lock that split in already

[lime yew]

Pressure of the many? :p

[glossy pagoda]

Near 0 chance

[languid kestrel]

okay so conversation is pointless

[tawdry tree]

it is the center of the QWERTY layout, so whether you’re actually aligning your index fingers on the homing keys doesn’t really matter, your hands will still be around there. (assuming very mediocre typing efficiency as a baseline).

[languid kestrel]

aligner and the rest can go home

[high nymph]

I'm a doing you guys a solid:

All possible use cases 😄

[tidal frigate]

Guys i remember times when I had internet and pc as one of the first in village. And i'am not that old..

[tawdry tree]

same went for the 80HE. 👀

though that was actually “set in stone” at the time.

[uneven cradle]

Yeah but there were more than two people upset about that one

[glossy pagoda]

My hands are not locked into one position with specific keys locked to only a single hand, the actual finger used to press the next button in a word depends entirely on the previous letter and which finger of which hand is already in the best position to move to the next, with respect to the one coming after

[tawdry tree]

it’s a lil bit more than two, cmon now.

[marsh saffron]

Same its just how I know where to find my keys from

[tawdry tree]

I also think the 80HE was a lot bigger than the 60HE v2 is.

at least the channel activity seems to i indicate that.

[glossy pagoda]

About 20 bigger

[marsh saffron]

17.5% 🤓

[languid kestrel]

i will join aligner's side if for nothing but the sole reason my spacebar seems to be shiniest directly below the N keycap

[tawdry tree]

so your hands move all over the place and you’d prefer a big spacebar instead?

[languid kestrel]

therefore it seems I press it most often there

[marsh saffron]

I only ever use the left side of my spacebar

[glossy pagoda]

Yes to the first one, but I don't know about the second because I've never seriously tried it

[tawdry tree]

man, why didn’t woot give you one to try

[high nymph]

BIG mistake imho. you should try to use it more often.

[tawdry tree]

I’d be interested to see if you’d like it when moving your hands a lot

[high nymph]

and use the middle key as MO or layer toggle

[glossy pagoda]

This keyboard is the first I'd consider it, which makes me precisely the target market lol

[high nymph]

take our experience as ramp-up 🙂

[marsh saffron]

Id consider split space but don't think my xray set has the caps for it

[marsh saffron]

So 6.25u it is

[tawdry tree]

the one and only mana pointed out a typing inefficiency I had and I actually think shift on the middle key might be better

the best use of that button for those that don’t use rshift

[glacial wind]

i feel like if there were as many people impacted as aligner mentioned then that feedback thread would look a lot more like '80he arrow position' feedback and not just aligner bumping his own thread every so often

[high nymph]

or even enter or BS . world is your oister

[tawdry tree]

making shit up again now 😭

[glossy pagoda]

I'm pretty excited for a dedicated fn2 button

[high nymph]

Yeah how did we get to that?

[marsh saffron]

Id probably set the middle key on split space for a dedicated pause button

[tidal frigate]

Mark, when ortholinear, alice, ergonomic, split, 75%, iso enter rotated enter, split spacebars, 7u and 10u support and knob when mark

[glossy pagoda]

No

[marsh saffron]

Would make it easier to pause music if I need to hear in game compared to fn k

[tawdry tree]

I aligned my left hand on WASD so I never noticed that the rshift is kinda necessary for efficiency.

[sacred elm]

Aligner aligned

[tidal frigate]

It is perfect layout

[tawdry tree]

😃👍

[sacred elm]

No

[high nymph]

Sooner that expected, you will have depleted the currently 3 layers available

[tidal frigate]

Yes it is perfect layout.

[marsh saffron]

Mark is there a good chance at white versions of the knob 👀

[high nymph]

the split will certainly accelerate that

[tawdry tree]

if you use rshift, I’d use Fn there too

[high nymph]

can't we still MOD TAP to a Function Layer ?

[tawdry tree]

but fn1 rather than fn2

[glossy pagoda]

I only use 2 fn layers? Not sure where 3 comes from

[tawdry tree]

it’s easy to reach the whole board from the middle

[glossy pagoda]

I've already spoiled too much about the knobs apparently

[high nymph]

The split space bar will introduce use cases, don't you worry! 😉

[tawdry tree]

holy fuck, middle key on shift and the left shift for Fn

[marsh saffron]

I won't tell anyone I promise

[outer cobalt]

#996573707235491950 message still going strong and could'nt be happier with it

[marsh saffron]

We just need calder to accidentally leak it on stream

[tawdry tree]

THE SMALL KNOB IS NOT CONTINUOUS CONFIRMED!!!

it was all lies 😭😭

[glossy pagoda]

What would I actually use fn3 for? Actually asking

[marsh saffron]

I rarely ever use fn2 let alone a third layer

[high nymph]

Home Row Mods

[glossy pagoda]

I only have alt key codes on fn2

[glacial wind]

there i fixed it to be more accurate kazuza

[high nymph]

Thank You! 🙂

[glossy pagoda]

I think home row mods is deranged and woefully disconnected from how (I, at least) use keyboards

[uneven cradle]

They're about to be consumed Agar.io style

[high nymph]

(I still think the right circle is overexagerated 😄 )

[glacial wind]

okay wait i'll get chatgpt to fix it

[glossy pagoda]

The dots in the background are probably too big haha

[high nymph]

Not true, specially on a 60%

at least for productivity

[glossy pagoda]

To be clear, this is a personal opinion, not spoken with any keyboard-space-enthousiast authority

[high nymph]

Sure, we are not taking face value here. Its weekend as well 😄

[glossy pagoda]

Chances of me adopting something like that is effectively 0

[glacial wind]

that's the smallest i could make the right circle lol

[high nymph]

bettaaaaaaa!!!!!!

I proudly belong to the yellow circle 😄

its still yellow, right? 😄

[glacial wind]

i respect it. Nothing wrong with being in that niche userbase

i'd probably be there too if I didn't grow up using wasd and it warping my typing style

[high nymph]

It's never too late, you know ? 😉

it will take effort, ngl

[glacial wind]

it's fine i committed to the way I type when my computer class teacher failed me for typing 100 wpm but without correct home row positioning

[tawdry tree]

totally not biased.

https://tenor.com/view/worry-froge-froge-frog-frog-meme-concerned-froge-gif-11682222603679007150

[high nymph]

where's that teacher now? 😄

[uneven cradle]

I suspect it wouldn't take much for that red circle to grow larger after the release

[glacial wind]

yeah the problem with aligners diagram is after v2 releases the red circle is much bigger lol

[tawdry tree]

there should be more circles, those who don’t mind 2.75 would grow after release for sure.

[high nymph]

that's called indoctrination 😄 (just putting more wood on the fire) 😄 😛

[glossy pagoda]

Wooting is a cult?

[high nymph]

Didn't you knew? 😄

[glacial wind]

wait until I get a pope hat icon added to the wooting v2 pcb

[high nymph]

which one: single or split-space bar ?

[glacial wind]

single. The split space bar version will just have a small icon with words that read "get wrecked aligner hahaha"

[high nymph]

Split is the rabi !

[tawdry tree]

with the amount of churches getting started here.. 😬

[glossy pagoda]

They're all just tax efficiency vehicles

[tawdry tree]

more memes 😭

[glacial wind]

i mean i'd have to respect the effort if you somehow managed to get the reverse put on a wooting pcb

[high nymph]

I would like for wooting to consider it, ngl

[glossy pagoda]

Imagine if we printed on the PCBA under the 2.25 right spacebar "The Many Cry"

[tawdry tree]

it’s not hard to figure out what M-B stands for 😂

[tawdry tree]

the many will return it

then woot cries

[high nymph]

that would require different serigraphy for both PCBs

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/worry-froge-froge-frog-frog-meme-concerned-froge-gif-11682222603679007150

[glacial wind]

oh wait episode 3 of "Our unwritten seoul" kdrama is out, no wonder shafie has been quiet

[tawdry tree]

😭😭😭

[uneven cradle]

Anyway apparently the backplate for the Rubrehose Jane goes through a few processes

[high nymph]

must be cheap (being ironic)

[uneven cradle]

Sounds cheap

[high nymph]

2/3 DOA. I hope they can refactor

Why not improve the production methods to prevent the rejects/failures in QC?

[uneven cradle]

Well I don't think the improved production methods exist

Or at least not in a factory that would be willing to do small runs like this

[high nymph]

Then there will be markup for sure

[uneven cradle]

It's a GB I bought it ~8 months ago

[high nymph]

Then they are losing money already ...

Hope you get your product

I personally dislike GBs, because of this same very problem

[uneven cradle]

The people involved have run many before, I put my faith

[sacred elm]

SO HYPED

[glacial wind]

Is that literally just a side menu photo lol

[upbeat sorrel]

finally had the time to build this, Kohaku PC R2

[polar girder]

Just saw this from computex:

28gf actuation

My beloved

Looks pretty clean. 65% is cursed tho

[upbeat sorrel]

i prefer 65 over 75

[uneven cradle]

Very nice, PC haku is a beauty

[upbeat sorrel]

indeed it is, first time owning a polycarb board

I have a Unikorn R2.1 as well, but this board is just icing on the cake

[chilly mural]

looks empty and bad lmao

[steel ibex]

I prefer 65 over 60

[sour blade]

whats the selling point of unikorn/kohaku? precision machining? aesthetic design?

[upbeat sorrel]

pretty much

its just a fantastsic board overall tbh, if you get a chance to type on one i highly recommend it

and its a raffle gb too as well

[sour blade]

👍

[little glen]

it looks really nice but god damn those prices are fucked up

[polar girder]

lol

[upbeat sorrel]

are you talking about the kohakus and unikorns?

[little glen]

ye

[upbeat sorrel]

yeah, 3rd party market is fucked

i got my unikorn and my kohaku fro around 500

cause I won the raffle, but its just people who are trying to make a buck and sell it to the ppl who didn't win the raffle

[little glen]

500 for both?

or each

[upbeat sorrel]

each

[little glen]

ngl that is still a lot for me haha

when i got my whole 80he build for that amount, including gmk keycaps and switches etc

[upbeat sorrel]

yea, i get that 500 is steep tbh for a board

[little glen]

however i am considering neo65cu atm

need some boards to put my keycaps on

[upbeat sorrel]

but i'll give Elaine props though for designing the boards

neo65 is on my wish list of boards, but got too many atm lol

[little glen]

i need a pcb to throw in my salvation case

[upbeat sorrel]

oo

some of my boards are due for a rebuild

but just desolerding them is just a pain rn lmao

[little glen]

i am honestly thinking about the 60he v2 just so i can put it in my salvation

[little glen]

yeah honestly i dont think i can do soldering, sounds like such a pain in the ass

especially when you want to try different plates or sandwich materials

[upbeat sorrel]

the soldering part isn't that bad, desoldering is where its just a pain in the ass

but I have a desoldering gun which just makes it soo much faster

compared to just using a soldering iron

majority of my boards are mil maxxed though which is a cool thing

but also a pain in the ass to solder those sockets in lool

but im excited though cause my jade pros are coming in the mail today, order them off amazon

can finally start modding my wooting60

[little glen]

many things you can do with wooting

i have some frankenswitches in my 80he atm

[sour blade]

HE pcb with cutouts

[upbeat sorrel]

yeah mine is just case swapped atm with some GMK keycaps on there

[little glen]

i wish wooting sold more different plates

[upbeat sorrel]

oo what switches did you mix?

[little glen]

i want to try alu and fr4

[little glen]

duhuk core he and geon raw he

[upbeat sorrel]

ooo

[little glen]

rawhuks are the go to frankenswitch

[upbeat sorrel]

yeah you can't just use a 60% plate for the wooting right?

it has to be a specific plate?

[little glen]

its kinda like owlabs ti he but twice the price and slightly different bottom sound

[little glen]

it needs to have standoffs at the corrent spots

[upbeat sorrel]

gotcha

[little glen]

wooting do make the files available for download

[upbeat sorrel]

might have to talk to my friend if he can cut me a pom plate

cause he runs his own plate shop for keyboards

[little glen]

there are also a number of other places that sell plates for wooting

but ISO plates are hard to come by

[upbeat sorrel]

question, by any chance does anyone know what kb case that is?

[sour blade]

ive seen good offers for wooting alternative plate marerials

even outside of aliexpress // taobao

[honest sapphire]

why is the friction fit only compatible with 60he+

[stray tiger]

80HE also has friction fit

[honest sapphire]

i have an older 60he and wanted to friction fit it but the website says 60he+ i dont have the + version

i have an 80he already

[sacred elm]

Friction fit pad is compatible with 60HE non plus afaik

[hollow remnant]

can sombody gift me a wooting 60 he plsssssssssssssss

[languid kestrel]

yes

I have sent you one aboard an ICBM headed to your house

bad news is it's also carrying an explosive warhead

[nimble gale]

got a ansi one for cheaps :^)

[hollow remnant]

noooooooooooooooo

[fringe quarry]

thats kinda mean

[hollow remnant]

fr

[languid kestrel]

my bad

[glossy pagoda]

Don't beg please.
If our keyboards are out of reach financially, don't buy it. Focus on saving for other parts of your setup, a premium keyboard isn't as important as core components like CPU/GPU

[upbeat sorrel]

screw in stabs are compatiable with the stock plate in the 60HE+ right?

i wouldnt have to worry about fitting issues?

[glossy pagoda]

Correct

[upbeat sorrel]

awesome, thank you for the answer!

[hollow remnant]

Thank you, but I have a pretty good PC and everything except a good keyboard.

[trail bane]

Mark can "gift" and ship it specifically for you, for only 150k usd if you wish

I can do same thing for only 100k*

*Depends in wich country you live

[hollow remnant]

I appreciate it

[trail bane]

Oh Mark I’m almost forgot to say we will split money 90/10,

P.s.: please don’t kidnap me for stealing your idea

[polar girder]

What’s the Certified Lekker tag lol?

[tropic urchin]

Maybe on the way for the next computex

[trail bane]

[glossy pagoda]

People who have a lekker edition keyboard

[polar girder]

I don’t even know what that means

Clearly not cool enough for the role

rip

[glossy pagoda]

https://wooting.io/post/wooting-two-le-sold-out-whats-next-lekker-update-5-part-1

[stray tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-hell-yeah-oh-yeah-oh-really-excuse-me-gif-15751445875267475680

[sweet oak]

Crunch maxing

[harsh dove]

My new chickens

[polar girder]

Cringe maxxing

[sweet oak]

Nu uh

Bliss 🌹

[glossy pagoda]

Chickens are awesome!

[tidal frigate]

#🍲│food

[harsh dove]

Nah they haven’t laid eggs yet

They’re future keyboard modders

WootEggs

[tidal frigate]

I'am not talking about eggs

[harsh dove]

I know what you’re talking about weirdo

[tidal frigate]

You don't like eating chicken?

[harsh dove]

I do

But not these ones

[chilly mural]

80he on the right, 60hev2 and split in the middle. The still not 8khz(black) 2he on the left.

[stray tiger]

You sitting on a gold mine with those eggs soon

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

https://tenor.com/view/eiereken-gif-26923285

[tulip violet]

I take it if my module doesn't get detected without any switches or case, it'd be defecitve.. Right?

[stray tiger]

Could be a number of things. USB Cable, USB port, interfering software, etc

[tulip violet]

Yea! seemed to have been the default cable that came with the board that for some reason. No clue how that's possible but my other cables instantly did the trick

[stray tiger]

Perfect! Glad that you're up and running now