🔧│keyboard_modding

[thorn zealot]

I like em

[ocean anchor]

-200$

[thorn zealot]

For an he switch

[sacred elm]

It means that you fucked it up somehow

[ocean anchor]

i didnt even plug anytging in i followed directions

[cyan lark]

Easy, you never know

[ocean anchor]

is there a way to replace the daughterboard connecter or do i need w whole new one

@sacred elm

[sacred elm]

Message wooting

[ocean anchor]

how

[sacred elm]

https://wooting.io/support

[ocean anchor]

if i broke it on accident i wont get it fixed right

[sacred elm]

Is your keyboards rgb even enabled

Turn on your monitor

[untold wigeon]

Does anyone have the images for the switch inserting thing? Like what part faces up?

[sacred elm]

rgb window should face north

[untold wigeon]

And that would be this right?

[sacred elm]

yes

[untold wigeon]

And just so I don’t mess anything up, which part is the correct way up for this thing?

Is that the bottom or top

[thorn zealot]

Bottom

Flip it over

[untold wigeon]

Alr ty

[thorn zealot]

👍

[untold wigeon]

And I just push the switch into the hole?

[ocean anchor]

now my fucking moniter isnt tirning on

[thorn zealot]

🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀

[sacred elm]

yes

[agile grove]

skill issue

[sacred elm]

-10000 aura if your rgb is disabled and thats why you thought kb doesnt work

[cyan lark]

But I thought no RGB gave +aura

[sacred elm]

not always

[polar girder]

Yeah RGB is always -aura

[sweet oak]

ok but what if crin made rgb iems

[sacred elm]

[harsh dove]

RGB was never meant for keyboards

[untold wigeon]

So I lost one of the screws for the stabilizers somehow. Could one of the silver screws in the extras from the package suffice?

Seems to have worked

[fluid ravine]

real shit

[glossy pagoda]

Unless it's on sneakers

I googled something and thought that Google was reacting 🥀 to my search query

@sacred elm you've infected me

[sacred elm]

🥀

[glacial wind]

The heck is a tag

[glossy pagoda]

Free advertising

Did y'all get a popup or something when I enabled it?

[sacred elm]

[glacial wind]

Yeah

[sacred elm]

oh

[glacial wind]

Well I did

[glossy pagoda]

Neat

[sacred elm]

[glacial wind]

Is this their new version of guilds

[glossy pagoda]

Yea

Obliterating the black market they created themselves

[glacial wind]

Hrm I have to find a Sony tag

[chilly mural]

HE HE

[fluid ravine]

tee hee

woot woot!

[glacial wind]

I’m pretty sure you need a wooting to use that tag frogson. Better tell your dad you need to enter the upcoming raffle and find a reshipper for $1k

He’ll understand

[sacred elm]

[fluid ravine]

ok

[glacial wind]

I checked and there’s no Sony tag yet unfortunately

[fluid ravine]

I'm an ex wooting user ok

[tropic urchin]

An*

😃👍

[sacred elm]

Day 5 of waiting for 60HE Pro 😴 Good night.

[glacial wind]

You missed the woot tag exclusive leak earlier?

[sacred elm]

[glossy pagoda]

Just the first 60 people with the tag

[sacred elm]

I was third, got no leaks, removed the tag

[molten raptor]

Yes

[glacial wind]

You must have removed it right before the leak was sent out

Unfortunate

[fluid ravine]

it's been 707 days and i still have no colored role

[sacred elm]

Unfortunate

Poop color role for frogson

[glossy pagoda]

Absolute Chaos Below

[fluid ravine]

no green? :<

YO

LMAO

[sacred elm]

😳

[fluid ravine]

[glacial wind]

The bigsly role, pure black

[fluid ravine]

ALRIGHT CHAT

ALL BLACK SETUP

oop nvm all white setup

[glossy pagoda]

Unfortunately you can't keep it 😛

[fluid ravine]

friggggg

how does one obtain such role

[molten raptor]

Quick question I placed my order at the start of May for the rooting 80HE white zinc

[glossy pagoda]

One does not

[molten raptor]

Is that the v2?

[glossy pagoda]

Yes

[sacred elm]

So tired of this blue color, wonder what color role will I get when I pre-order Wooting 60HE Pro. What do you all think about this

[molten raptor]

Whooooo ty

[chilly mural]

maybe raeds color

[sacred elm]

Im good

[fluid ravine]

if color role is green i might consider buying wooting 60he pro then

heh

[glossy pagoda]

Green color is for moderators

[sacred elm]

No poop or piss color please

[fluid ravine]

dark green >:D

[glossy pagoda]

Salmon

[fluid ravine]

forest green

[sacred elm]

Red color

[glossy pagoda]

Founders are red

[sacred elm]

Exactly

60HE Pro founders

[fluid ravine]

[chilly mural]

maybe black

[sacred elm]

Im down

[glossy pagoda]

Too dark for default darkmode

[fluid ravine]

i was black for a moment

[sacred elm]

Actually true

[fluid ravine]

then go light mode

[sacred elm]

No black

[fluid ravine]

easy

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[chilly mural]

at this point shf gonna back 60he pro because he just wants another color

[glossy pagoda]

[sacred elm]

True.

[glossy pagoda]

A new founders campaign for a new keyboard would get slotted in the list below the 80HE campaign and therefore even if you backed it, you'd still be blue

[sacred elm]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[fluid ravine]

should add a kids role frfr

jk

no

[sacred elm]

No way

I dont want to be blue anymore

[fluid ravine]

be yellow

kek

[sacred elm]

I was yellow

[chilly mural]

but if you back it with another account and deassociate your discord account from what you back 80he with, shouldn't it be possible to get the newer color?

[sacred elm]

They changed it

[fluid ravine]

then be porpol, just be on the wooting team frfr

[glossy pagoda]

Yes

[sacred elm]

Why

[glossy pagoda]

Also it's on a list of minor QOL improvements for the hub to be able to selectively choose which roles are applied out of the list you're eligible for

[ionic breach]

older the product the higher the prio

[sacred elm]

Cool

[glossy pagoda]

To be able to recognize those who have been here longest

[chilly mural]

yey

[fluid ravine]

see i wouldve been pink if they kept nitro booster color

[glossy pagoda]

Did we remove the nitro boost color?

[fluid ravine]

grrrrr
but they have their reasons

yeth

[glossy pagoda]

Womp

[fluid ravine]

manager must speak

[glacial wind]

Maybe if your profile had some darth Vader it would convince mark to help you

Better buy that new Star Wars darth Vader profile display

[glossy pagoda]

May the Actuation Force be with you

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

[glacial wind]

It’s only $15 thockson, a steal

[sacred elm]

😃 👍

[glossy pagoda]

I'm probably legally obligated to get this one, eh?

[sacred elm]

Damn 13500 wins

Thats a lot

[chilly mural]

yes

Can't have the name and pfp General Akbar without having a little bit of space battle

[glossy pagoda]

Done

[sacred elm]

🌹

[raw crest]

Hey I just tried to swap out my wooting 80 he switch with the puller in the pack and it was so hard I tried many diffrent techniques but the south side of the switch was stock I managed to do it with pulling hard and ended scratching on Y keycaps

What should have done? Is it because I used the wooting included in box puller or is there any other techniques that I missing

[ionic breach]

wiggle and pull

[glacial wind]

Wiggle up and down slowly is the strategy, but generally most would also advise a metal keycap puller helps too

[glossy pagoda]

Some switches can be really tight on the switch plate, disassembling that helps

[glacial wind]

Also I assume you removed the keycap first?

Otherwise I’m confused at the whole scratching part

[glossy pagoda]

Must have scratched an adjacent keycap

[glacial wind]

Ah that’s it I guess

[raw crest]

I did wiggle it but the south was stock i did this on my 3 switches k i and u and all of them had this problem also I pulled out the keycaps the scratch was because after pulling to hard my puller It was coming out of the clamps and hitting the keycaps next to it .

[ionic breach]

u got a ph1 screw driver?

[raw crest]

Yes

[ionic breach]

if so u could just disassemble it and push it out from under

[glacial wind]

Certain pullers are also easier for pulling on tight switches

It’s why the Wuque puller is popular, it gets into the small spaces really well

[raw crest]

Tnx I just wanted to replace my switches because those 3 sound weird to me and I did it but I wanted to know Is this a common issue or I did it wrong cause In the instruction guide on wooting 80 he start guide it said it's to easy just gently peak it and wiggle it

And it wasn't easy at all i ended up losing my heart that if I dmage it💀

[glacial wind]

Lekkers in 80he are particularly tight due to some tolerance stuff with the plate being tighter

[sacred elm]

L ejin

[glossy pagoda]

Feel free to contact support regarding the scratched keycap. While technically "user error" we're pretty generous when it comes to providing replacement keycaps when accidents happen. Trickier in the US than the rest of the world, but can always ask

https://support.wooting.io

[raw crest]

Another weird thing that I realise the actuation point was changed after replacing the switch and it's start showing 1.2mm key press when I'm not pressing any keys but after reset setting it got fixed but it was weird

[sacred elm]

Because you didnt unplug the keyboard before pulling the switch

[raw crest]

Yeah I didn't

Is it bad?

[sacred elm]

Calibration will be messed up, replugging fixes it

Best to unplug the keyboard before pulling the switch

[raw crest]

So should repulgg it to ? I don't know I just reset it and see it got fixed

[sacred elm]

If you notice similar calibration issues, just replug

[raw crest]

Tnx🙏for helping

[untold wigeon]

is it possible

to

use mech top housing and put it on he?

[calm pulsar]

HE stems are too big, so probably not possible

[untold wigeon]

hemmm

would be fun if it’s possible

[glacial wind]

man the nitro preview is such a fever dream

it looks like if you get nitro you get to make your profile into some amusement park ad

literally profile spinning randomly in 360, stars and birds flying through the header

[sacred elm]

get it

[glacial wind]

they need a keyboard pack and they would sell so many of those to keyboard discords

[glacial wind]

yeah i posted that other day, it's interesting that razer went back down in market share for keyboards

they gained a decent margin when snaptap thing happened and they also sponsored a ton of teams at that same time, so they closed gap with wooting a bit for pro usage, but now it's dropped back down a lot and wooting retook the market share

[sacred elm]

💪

[glossy pagoda]

W00T!

[trail bane]

Gimme the WOOT

[sacred elm]

sixtyhepro 😴

[knotty lodge]

okay thank you

is the price fr, 5€/$ for one switch??

[sacred elm]

5$ for 10

[knotty lodge]

ah ye just saw

ty xd

[glacial wind]

$5 would be some craziness

[sacred elm]

flux v2🔥

[glacial wind]

gold plated flux wuque switch

[knotty lodge]

hahaha

[glacial wind]

unironically it's the current cost for US people trying to buy flux with tariffs though

[sacred elm]

[sacred elm]

Oh they are instock

[chilly mural]

gotta pump those 80he number up

at least 15%

[glacial wind]

i'm more surprised by the pros using white 80he zinc alloys

that thing be heavy to be carrying

[glossy pagoda]

I brought my 80HE to Taiwan

But I brought a plastic one not a zinc one

Using it right now

[chilly mural]

This is honestly my setup when I was 12

But everything is cheaper by 10x

[sacred elm]

60HE Pro - 50% usage

[glossy pagoda]

I despise this mouse. The scroll wheel is actually worse than useless, it randomly scrolls the opposite direction

[chilly mural]

lmao

[sacred elm]

oh just checked, jL stopped using his white zinc

He is using logi analog keyboard now

Thats why they cant win anything for months now, blunder

[glacial wind]

is his team sponsored? I remember he was going against sponsor wish before to use wooting

[glossy pagoda]

rekt

[sacred elm]

Logitech is their sponsor yeah, but he was using wooting

[chilly mural]

I'll be surprised switching to logi making him lose more

[sacred elm]

Maybe his white zinc got cooked

[glacial wind]

yeah i remember they were talking about it before with how he was supposed to be using logitech the whole time lol

[sacred elm]

niko

Nvm

[lime yew]

Niko is personally sponsored now yeah

[sacred elm]

Yep

[lime yew]

And logi finally manage to get to JL

They already wanted to give fines for each tournament they didn't use their keyboards. But JL managed to work it out for a bit

Not anymore though. Sad

[sacred elm]

Let the guy use what he wants bruh

That is so dumb

[glacial wind]

i can't help but notice max is a wootless tag member. I'm not sure we can trust his information

[glossy pagoda]

Why make the best product to encourage pro adoption when you make enough glorified e-waste to just pay them to use your shit

[sacred elm]

With 80HE - 1 Major
With Lojitik - 0 Major

😃 👍

[knotty lodge]

so basicslly the owlab ti he switches are similiar to the geon raw he, right?
less wobble and better sound

[sacred elm]

Yes

Raws without flaws 🌹

[chilly mural]

that rhymes well

[chilly mural]

Yeah, just pay em 100k or something and that does well enough

[quasi hinge]

I use the 60he wrist rest with my 80he also, restecp 🫡

[sacred elm]

Mark uses 60he pro wrist rest

[glossy pagoda]

It's perfectly adequate lol

Bro you see that wrist rest, it's like 3 years old

[sacred elm]

[quasi hinge]

I prefer it to the 80he one as the original 80he rest slopes towards the back

[glossy pagoda]

I've never owned a 80HE wrist rest, just full size and 60 mini

Too cheap to buy one when I've already got the 60 mini, even with employee discount haha

[quasi hinge]

Looks like you guys have one for the 80he

Havent checked in a while

[glossy pagoda]

The TKL is not the 80HE one

[quasi hinge]

I may pick this up next time I order something

But its closer in size?

[glossy pagoda]

There's a perfectly matched 80HE one

But since the design language is different, it's got a different product card

[quasi hinge]

Yeah but that built dif

[glossy pagoda]

Ooh that's what you mean

Yea the TKL one is pretty close but be aware that this product is discontinued and there's only a few dozen left for sale

[glacial wind]

iirc asdasmos doesn't like the slope for 80he one

[quasi hinge]

Ill just replace with a 60he rest if ever my og gives out on me

[glossy pagoda]

Oh excuse me, it's just the blue version of the TKL wrist rest that is about to be permanently sold out, still have quite a few of the black ones

[trail bane]

Logitech quality for $100

[glossy pagoda]

I didn't actually pay for it, so that helps the value proposition

[tawdry tree]

possible but good luck finding a combination that fits well. Gateron Zero Degree’s top housing sort of fits on Kailh Mistrals but not perfectly. You need a lot of switches and a lot of time to find good combinations.

[sweet oak]

@glacial wind lets say you want a Sony lens, but you also want an IEM, in order to maximize saving up for a Sony lens what would be chosen to maximize that possibility

[fallen pecan]

the rest goes towards lenses

[glacial wind]

yeah any of the sub $100 decent iem options these days does the job for most folks

[chilly mural]

yeh, using salnote zero 2 currently, it's quite nice for rhythm game

[glacial wind]

I remember dunu kima used to be the super popular sub $100 pick, not sure what it is these days

feels like every few months chinese brands one up themselves with a new best budget pick

[sweet oak]

Perfect for my laptop, only real reason ill look at IEMs. picked up a Apple dongle as well for 8 usd yesterday

[chilly mural]

I just stick to what crinacle tuned, it has enough bass to make the car noise go low when playing music while having the music be clear when enjoying it

[tidal frigate]

Truthear hexa

[glacial wind]

i think hexa got out of date too

that's from previous gen

[tidal frigate]

Hexa still gud

[glacial wind]

yeah not saying it's not still good, but i'm sure by this time there's been like 50 different releases that match it or are tiny bit better

hexa was era with it was hexa and dunu kima as 2 of the popular picks

[tidal frigate]

Well i think it is still popular

If you want neutral iem

[glacial wind]

yeah all of them are still popular cause it takes a lot of time for 'normie' picks to change

[tidal frigate]

Well they are going to make hexa2

[glacial wind]

they did in some cases

i know there's a dunu kima 2 already, no idea if it was good or not though as i got out of iems after buying 1 good one

[tidal frigate]

Good one which means expensive?

[glacial wind]

yeah it was expensive, although even it is probably out of date now with how fast iem tech moves

[chilly mural]

ahh, just like HE right now. Can't wait for 0.0001mm rt

[glacial wind]

yeah iem are literally like that, except since they don't need to make tons of constantly updating software for it they actually perform well

[tidal frigate]

Well hexa is all i need. I might change cable and tips tho

[trail bane]

Is EPZ Q1 Pro still good? Use them like half year

[sweet oak]

We need 0.0000005 minimum

[tidal frigate]

@glacial wind expensive iems are waste of money

[glacial wind]

sure, there's diminishing returns like any high end stuff

[tidal frigate]

Unless you get custom fitted iem

[calm pulsar]

at this point you can say that any luxury stuff (custom keyboards, audio gear) is a waste of money

but it’s just a hobby

so it still might have value

[glacial wind]

yeah every hobby has big diminishing returns past certain pricepoints, that's just how it is. You pay more because you enjoy it for that 5 or 10% better

[tidal frigate]

Look i already went into keyboard and hotwheels rabbithole, i cant afford to get into next one

[chilly mural]

you can go to bottled water rabbithole

[calm pulsar]

lol that’s fair

[sweet oak]

You can’t afford, but can definitely window shop

Like i do

[glacial wind]

the important thing is to start with a good sony camera and lens combo

[sweet oak]

Will this make footsteps louder

Will it solve my heating loss

[calm pulsar]

im into custom keyboards, controllers, guitars

what’s next

[glacial wind]

some say it might

[sweet oak]

I’m sold

I’m buying 3

[calm pulsar]

heating

[sweet oak]

Yea I’m cold

[tidal frigate]

Women?

[calm pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/fate-series-laughing-anime-gif-18177208465417397856

[tidal frigate]

[calm pulsar]

too expensive

[chilly mural]

be like me, have a lot of hobby but spend the minimum amount to enjoy

[tidal frigate]

Agreed, so looks like you have to go

[chilly mural]

who needs woman when you can have AI waifu

[sweet oak]

This is true

Youtube ads told me so on mobile

[calm pulsar]

🥶

typical May in my city

[chilly mural]

better cold than hot

[sweet oak]

Agreed

[untold wigeon]

i’m planning to use milky yellows

i love the top housing

[sacred elm]

[trail bane]

Actually,

Its already 2nd day with no leaks

Sad

[sacred elm]

its sunday

I heard tomorrow is a good day

[sweet oak]

Garfield disagrees

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/carebear-carebears-cute-care-bear-stare-gif-1139414877899350361

[tawdry tree]

yeah good luck. maybe the Jade Gaming stem works, if you have it. It’s more like a mech stem.

[tawdry tree]

what’s there to be leaked? we know everything already thanks to jakub.

[cyan lark]

They’re announcing the 65 tomorrow, then?

[tawdry tree]

It’s the 12th tomorrow

👀

[glacial wind]

i assume it's raffle start then in week before computex maybe we get some teasers for whatever upcoming board is

that'd be my guess

[cyan lark]

I don’t even know why I’m insincerely hyping myself up - I’m USA and therefore can’t have nice things anyway

[sacred elm]

👀 (no)

[sweet oak]

🥭

[snow yarrow]

Thats an easy fix tho, either solder a new encoder or buy a replacement pcb, since the buttons and main pcb are separate

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EGBAJiq

[sacred elm]

Yea theres easy fix, just dont use superlight

😃 👍

[cyan lark]

He's right, that is easier!

[tidal frigate]

Well you can always get your EU friend to buy it

[cyan lark]

But... it would still need to come back here. Unless you're suggesting lying to customs how dare you 😲

[sacred elm]

Unacceptable

[snow yarrow]

This the typa thinking outside the box I visit this channel for

[sacred elm]

You know which channel is better

#Help channel in Gateron server

😃 👍

[sweet oak]

Keep telling logitech that your superlight is broken or scrollwheel is busted so that you have an infinite RMA farm until they run out of units so nobody has to suffer that mouse

[sacred elm]

Oh oh

They are releasing mini version of superlight in september

[sweet oak]

Oh no

[sacred elm]

"Mini version"

Still 52-54g

[sweet oak]

1mm shorter

[snow yarrow]

New bug just dropped with last firmware update:

Keyboard wont turn on after rebooting, you have to reconnect the usb

[sacred elm]

They trolled with devs

[spice plover]

Did the owllab ship yet

[snow yarrow]

Yeah im done with pcbs from other brands, imma ride this one out till new 60he

Only way im paying for another brands pcb at this point, is if they somehow get (official) access to wootility

[sacred elm]

[snow yarrow]

Gt60 pro hardware with wootility software and firmware would be dope

For the placebo maxxers, such as myself

[sacred elm]

Yeah pcb seems great but its nothing without proper firmware

[little glen]

Has anyone used the gt60 case with 60he yet

[safe stag]

yep

[little glen]

How is it

I was curious but then didnt see anyone post experiences or anything

[chilly mural]

Wootility source code leak

[glossy pagoda]

You and I gave very different definitions of easy lol

It's my travel mouse and emergency backup mouse. That it sucks so much is just how I keep myself grounded when I use my regular mouse that doesn't suck

[tall hollow]

the encoder might just be broken, when my superlight started to do that I replaced the encoder and it works fine now.

replaced it with a dustproof TTC encoder

legit just a 3 dollar fix

I still find it baffling that logitech uses shit ass Kailh encoders

[tawdry tree]

if something is broken, don’t fix it 😃👍

[tall hollow]

eh true, fixing compact electrinics like this can be a bit nontrivial to some people.

[tawdry tree]

it’s easy but tedious and takes a bit of time. if you don’t have a soldering iron, it’ll be close to the price of a new mouse so might as well

[chilly mural]

Why fix when you can make them buy a new mouse

[tall hollow]

because ewaste is bad for the environment.

[tall hollow]

true lol

I already have an electronics lab in my basement so doing fixes like these is easy.

[glossy pagoda]

I have no soldering equipment and no patience for that kind of thing

But I'm also not wastefully throwing it away, I'm using it and complaining

[chilly abyss]

Is this the right way to put the switch in?

[glacial wind]

yep

[chilly mural]

tee hee

yep

[trail bane]

Nah bro, you cooked💀 ||jk, everything alr||

[tropic urchin]

you should definitely throw it away and see if you can cop another at computex

[glossy pagoda]

Cop first

[tropic urchin]

it adds a flair of desperation tho, is fun

[tall hollow]

ROFL

[tropic urchin]

just sell your house forehead

[tall hollow]

im p sure most electronics shops would gladly replace the encoder for you

[tropic urchin]

and live in a nice cardboard box

sounds like to me turing doesnt want to live in a big beautiful cardboard box smh

[tawdry tree]

2nd rattle snake recolor dropped 🔥

[polar girder]

Looks sweet lol

I like opaque housings

[tawdry tree]

this better, orange ugly 🎃

[polar girder]

But I don’t see all the improved tolerance % on that one

Must not be as good

🤓

[storm axle]

anybody tried the Reads HE yet?

[fluid ravine]

Wtf does HiFi sound mean

[polar girder]

High Fidelity

term used to describe audio that's reproduced from an original recording with minimal distortion and a full range of audible frequencies.

[fluid ravine]

In a switch???

[polar girder]

hi-fi equipment produces inaudible noise and distortion, and has a flat frequency response within the range of human hearing.

Yeah bro lol

[storm axle]

thermaltake makes switches?

[tawdry tree]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/994084114930081842/1064258153522417664/plink.gif

[tawdry tree]

bad translation I think

[tawdry tree]

nice for the 80HE and if you like quiet.

if you like clack clack clack then not so much

[mossy river]

oh i was gona post it

beat me to it lol

[tawdry tree]

posted in imoshi’s server too 😭

thought u weren’t gonna

[mossy river]

tbf i wasnt

original chinese one

funny part is that nowhere inthis graphic does it mention the name of the switch

which is 太阳神
sun god

[trail bane]

Full pom?

[tawdry tree]

it says sun god in the translated version

so has to be there somewhere, surely 👀

[tawdry tree]

seems like it

[trail bane]

Bruh one more to collect

[mossy river]

holy blind

[sweet oak]

Putting ti hes in my infiniswitch gauntlet

[tawdry tree]

gonna be needing more gauntlets

[mossy river]

where do you get the plates

[trail bane]

Dream Woot poms

[tawdry tree]

imoshi gets them from a local store iirc

they’re pretty nice

[mossy river]

how do you get them

he ships them over to u?

[tawdry tree]

ye

[sweet oak]

Or just get a bigger one

[tawdry tree]

[mossy river]

and where is said local store

[tawdry tree]

in japan

don’t know the address

😂

[trail bane]

Japan is always two steps ahead of other world

You literally can buy some fine shi like wlmouse or limited final mouse just in local store

[glacial wind]

That’s a lot of Asia

Korea is the same too

[fluid ravine]

They also like changing floor plans in malls or like subway station to create electricity in everyday life from people walking on em

I forgot what it's called but it cool

[trail bane]

Fr

[fluid ravine]

We need that ngl

Well..

Hmmm maybe

[trail bane]

Kinetic energy to electricity for steet lights

[fluid ravine]

[glacial wind]

It’s probably a trial thing in only specific test areas

[tall hollow]

not even the right use of HiFi lmao

[glacial wind]

I doubt that’s widespread

[fluid ravine]

Most likely

It's not everywhere rn

[tall hollow]

technically correct lol

[obsidian totem]

https://shop.yushakobo.jp/en/products/5012

[tawdry tree]

yes!

[fluid ravine]

They're testing it in some malls rn iirc

[tall hollow]

most AC electricity that you get comes from spinning magnets against a bunch of coils super fast lmao

[fluid ravine]

Even some parts in subway stations

But not widespread (yet)

[glacial wind]

It’s still very trial level

Because the energy made for an entire thing powers like one light display lol

So there’s still questions on if it’s worth or not

[mossy river]

oh epic i can get them in person

will be in tokyo for a bit this summer

[tall hollow]

I wonder what conformal coating gateron is using for their GT60 Pro to allow it to be submerged in slightly acidic stuff like Coca-Cola and La Croy https://youtu.be/APJT163PZQQ?si=FFsqwSRnINFTsg2v&t=706

[little glen]

I read coke proof and fully expected it to be resistant to white powder

[tall hollow]

its probably dust resistant too

maybe not the switches but the PCB

they might be sing a UV cured soldermask

[thorn zealot]

I can finally hit a line on my kb now

[tall hollow]

along with a varnish

[little glen]

Real

[chilly mural]

that'll be nice

unfortunately that wont save its firmware being subpar

[little glen]

Me when i get a junior dev to vibe code the firmware for my precision gaming keyboard

[sacred elm]

You'll be as good as GT60 Pro devs

[glacial wind]

The problem with spilling coke isn’t usually the initial spill

Unless it specifically lands and shorts a circuit you’re fine at first, but it’s when you get sugary gunk that eats into it over time

[tropic urchin]

has to be dr. pepper proof you're right

[sacred elm]

my 80he is beer proof

😃 👍

[tropic urchin]

now do it again to be sure

[sacred elm]

im good

[tropic urchin]

upgrade the 8% to 40% and now we're talking

[sacred elm]

luckily it wasnt that much

it was only on a plate

[tropic urchin]

#lightweight

[sacred elm]

fluxies got slightly wet tho

https://x.com/iQunix/status/1921584598380605911

IQUNIX (@iQunix) on X

X Switch: Higher Magnetic Flux, Exclusively for EZ80.

X · May 11, 2025, 3:14 PM

[chilly mural]

good enough

I guess

[glacial wind]

Don’t they mean lower?

Why would they advertise higher

[sacred elm]

LOL

[chilly mural]

technically the truth

worse than flux

[sacred elm]

+-80 is ass tho, no?

[glacial wind]

It’s pretty mediocre

like all the budget ttc ones are 60-80 or so +-

So they skimped on the magnet I guess

[chilly mural]

but language wise, if somebody is dumb enough they'll always think 'higher' = 'better'

[tawdry tree]

higher is always better

[mossy river]

when they got that 更快 and 更hifi 🤑

[fallen pecan]

just skip the ez80, it tests slower than a 80he without tachyon mode

[lyric nimbus]

mmm

this seems pretty concerning

on making a custom wooden case

[fallen pecan]

95% of boards on the market are not meant for *that kind of customizing

[lyric nimbus]

Man.

[glacial wind]

Isn’t wood especially problematic due to it expanding/contracting?

I recall people trying to do wood cases in the past running into those sorts of issues with wood

[lyric nimbus]

like i guess i can try to make an outer shell and then 3d print the mount for the pcb?

[calm pulsar]

maple would probably do fine, it’s sturdy and used in guitar necks to alleviate some of the expanding/contracting from different air humidity

[sacred elm]

its hard to mod 2he

[lyric nimbus]

im assuming there are cad models of the case

i'm gonna try to 3d print at my university and ask people who actually know how to woodwork to see what they think if it's possible to make a case

if they say "nah it's probably too hard," i'll stop it right then and there

[calm pulsar]

you’d need your own model I think
cause the stock plastic might be too thin for wood

[lyric nimbus]

yes

of course

[steel ibex]

since when did woot become aa tag

[lyric nimbus]

i was thinking more of like "is it possible to make a wooden case with all the mounts?"

[tall hollow]

Also I just like how they just use the most wrong terminology ever

[lyric nimbus]

rather than "is it possible to make it 1:1?"

[tall hollow]

There is no such thing as "rail to rail" voltages in Hall effect sensors lmaooooo

[fallen pecan]

nope, unless you meant wooting files, then yes

[tawdry tree]

🤫 the average joe won’t know

[tall hollow]

What I think they are actually referring to is the op-amps used to amplify the Hall effect voltage difference.

Rail to rail op amps are alright for this application

Since it can swing the voltage to both positive and negative

[tawdry tree]

something “99%” of other HE boards don’t do?

[safe sphinx]

https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-design/blob/main/wooting-two-he/wooting2_lekker_he_bottom-case.stl

[tall hollow]

True lmao

[lyric nimbus]

awesome

[tall hollow]

Actually the crossover distortion might actually be worse on rail to rail opamps

[lyric nimbus]

i was thinking maybe this would work

wood case with the 3d printed plastic inside as a mount

and then just slap on the top plate

[stray tiger]

Just getting caught up. It's crazy how much marketing impacts misinformed users.

[tall hollow]

The marketing material itself is just, wrong, LMAO

Or it's worded extremely horribly

OH NAH IT GETS WORSE

[tawdry tree]

who cares about accuracy as long as it sounds interesting

[tall hollow]

Double hall supply

Why

This keyboard will be sucking so much power all the time.

The subtle voltage difference between the two supplies will make it so inefficient

Who designed this thing

I'm gonna rip them to shreds

And the electrical engineer that approved any of this

[chilly mural]

How fast is ez60/63 then compared to 80he

[stray tiger]

It's not about fast. That's the point.

[glacial wind]

They’re doing the before/after photoshop thing that monitor brands love to do with the fake before image lol

[chilly mural]

I forgot about this. Damn

[safe stag]

The case is beautiful, but the gasket performance is not good at all
It's barely better than top mount imo

[tall hollow]

Like, there are beefier fricking LDOs man, why in the hell do you need two of them!!??

[chilly mural]

higher number = better

[stray tiger]

I'm not even sure I understand what they are advertising. The sensors job is literally to "sense"/measure. They either work well or they don't and the sensors used by Wooting are extremely accurate and power efficient

[tall hollow]

To the untrained eye that is unfortunately true.

[tall hollow]

Bro me neither

[tall hollow]

Exactly

[stray tiger]

Maybe they are saying they while sensor X is only accurate down to the millivolt theirs are accurate to microvolts? Lol

[glacial wind]

I bet it’s because a lot of Chinese testers are testing accuracy and ms via usb voltage and this sort of things somehow impacts their testing even though it has no real impact

It’s got to be something dumb along those lines

[tall hollow]

Well that doesn't matter because when you work in the scale of microvolts the EMI from your phone, WiFi AP, and even your microwave in your kitchen can cause fluctuations and noise.

[stray tiger]

That's my point. It's marketing bs

[chilly mural]

This is soo much jargon.

[tall hollow]

As an engineer it irks me

A lot

And I'm not even an EE, an EE will probably crash out over this

[glacial wind]

I always wonder why these Chinese brands won’t spend like a couple hundred dollars for a half decent graphic designer to clean up their landing page marketing

at least make it so your page graphics don’t look like a 10th grade project done in ms word

[stray tiger]

I think there is also enough mystery around the way hall effect works overall and so it's easy to "sound smart" to the uneducated. In the end, it's still just measuring electrons

In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king. Or something like that

[tall hollow]

All the keyboard actually does is, measure voltage. Lmao.

you run a constant current though the hall sensor, you put a magnet near it to disturb the electron flow, and then that is observed as a voltage difference by the keyboard.

thats really all there is to it

[chilly mural]

and that's very cool

[tall hollow]

it is

you can thank Edwin Hall for that!

[chilly mural]

eh he

[stray tiger]

I asked AI to explain like I'm 5

Hall effect keyboards measure keystrokes using magnets and Hall effect sensors. Each key has a magnet attached. When you press a key, the magnet moves closer to the sensor, changing the magnetic field around it. The Hall effect sensor detects this change and creates a small voltage. The keyboard measures this voltage to figure out how far and fast the key was pressed, then sends that info to the computer to register the keystroke.

[tall hollow]

yeah lmao

[stray tiger]

I need to try again, as that's not 100a% clear and accurate.

Either way, people seem to understand basic voltage measurement but throw in magnets and it becomes voodoo

[cyan lark]

Spin magnets near a coil of wire and you become a god

[tall hollow]

real lmao

[lyric nimbus]

ok nvm

the wood case dream is dead

😔

[tall hollow]

even though the two go hand in hand. which is why Electricity and Magnetism is taught together at the same time.

[sacred elm]

you can return 2he and mod 80he

[lyric nimbus]

no i like big keyboards...

[sweet oak]

Apple dongle is here

[tall hollow]

which one?

[sweet oak]

My laptop audio is saved

[tall hollow]

oh, a apple type c to headphone jack?

[sweet oak]

Yeah

[tall hollow]

what happened to the normal headphone jack on your laptop?

it broke?

[sweet oak]

No it just quite stinks

[tall hollow]

oh, rofl

I trust apple to use good audio ICs

[sweet oak]

Yeah gave it a test run on my desktop, thisll work beautifully

[lyric nimbus]

anyways yeah im giving up on the wooden case

aluminum it is

[untold wigeon]

nah man, 80he on third

[lyric nimbus]

oh yeah

quick question

[lyric nimbus]

if i CNC mill this out of aluminum

how would it interact with the screws?

[dapper zephyr]

hello everyone, i have ordered my 80HE. there are already some of these inlay layers in there, i.e. insulation. can you still insulate the sound or is everything already in there?

[tropic urchin]

it comes with standard foam, or replace it with other forms (polyfill, other foams etc), you could prob use more foam if you want, but might cause fitting issues if you go too far with it

polyfill is nice since you can add as much or as little as you want and you usually get an industrial sized bag that will last until the heat death of the universe so

ppl have used kilmat too i believe if you want to go super heavy duty insulation

[languid kestrel]

what does this mean

[lyric nimbus]

i don't see any like

inner grooves for the screws

so would it get screwed in the first place

[tawdry tree]

you’d have to redesign it a bit for it to be cnc compatible

it doesn’t have thread because it’s plastic

the screws go directly into the plastic

[languid kestrel]

do you mean... threads

not to be mega rude but honestly I don't think you should be thinking about CNCing your own custom case if your engineering knowhow doesn't include threads

the design files are not really meant for someone to just take, go to a machining shop and tell them "here, make this"

[lyric nimbus]

oh

what are they for

im gonna be consulting the people who run the machine shop at my university

[languid kestrel]

for reference

[languid kestrel]

they'll tell you it'll be 1000€ or more most likely

just the material in that quantity is gonna be a lot, the machine time is easily a day and the CAM/CAD work is another day or two

[untold wigeon]

yep

because u're making for a small amount

[lyric nimbus]

honestly the machine time is fine

my university offers it for free iirc

[untold wigeon]

maybe if u're making it with larger amount & a factory that does cnc, it could be cheaper

i'm also working on making a 80he case

taking each parts that i like from the cases i used before

[lyric nimbus]

i want an aluminum case for my wooting two

[languid kestrel]

yeah if you spend a few months or weeks redesigning the case to be suitable for milling, you could sell the end result for two-three hundred

[tawdry tree]

you have to redesign it

you can make it simple

[languid kestrel]

if you're commissioning someone to make you a one-off it'll be one to two thousand

[untold wigeon]

thinking about leaf spring gasket as well (not sure about it rn)

[lyric nimbus]

holy guacamole

[tall hollow]

or more ideally you can use heat set inserts

[tawdry tree]

if it’s 3d printed, sure

woot didn’t because it’s not meant to be disassembled

it’s why I don’t recommend people doing it

you can only screw into plastic so many times

[lyric nimbus]

i want a really funny aluminum case though

[tall hollow]

yeah

[tawdry tree]

you can do whatever if you’re willing to make it a personal project and learn a bit

[tall hollow]

you'd need to spend some time in CAD to work out all the pocketing and whatnot to make it look nice while also making sure it actually works.

[tawdry tree]

or just pay someone to do it but then it can get expensive fairly quickly

[lyric nimbus]

yes, i am fully willing to make it a personal project

[tawdry tree]

awesome

[tall hollow]

nice

have you ever worked with CAD softwares before?

[lyric nimbus]

i've worked with uhh

onshape before

[tawdry tree]

if I were you, I’d make a plate for it as well

[tall hollow]

onshape is sufficient

[tawdry tree]

so you can ditch the stock alu one

with the curve in it

[languid kestrel]

yeah, you need to make it machineable, the plastic case is not machineable

[lyric nimbus]

i've been told

[languid kestrel]

you take the reference design file, pull off the critical geometry (mostly mounting holes and the plate interface) and ditch everything else

[tall hollow]

yeah, that case was optimized to be injection molded, not machined

[tawdry tree]

you can use https://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/ and https://kbplate.ai03.com/ to generate a plate file (this is without the standoff locations which you’ll need to add in yourself from the wooting file).

[languid kestrel]

and then make it as simple as possible and hope someone will machine your design for you for a couple cases of beer instead of 750€

[tall hollow]

ooh! I never knew this existed!

[tawdry tree]

it’s handy af

[tall hollow]

love my local makerspace! everyone is so chill there lmao

[lyric nimbus]

or free

(UNIVERSITY MACHINING PLACE!!!!!)

[tawdry tree]

you select your layout from the editor, download the json (or copy the raw data) and upload it to ai03

[lyric nimbus]

hopefully

[tall hollow]

take advantage of the Uni makerspace!

[tawdry tree]

for sure

[tawdry tree]

2HE’s layout being ANSI 104 or ISO 105

[lyric nimbus]

ok now the question

how would i go through a prototyping process?

[tawdry tree]

you got a 3d printer for use at ur uni?

[lyric nimbus]

of course

[tawdry tree]

good

make a design, think it through 100 times

then 3d print jt

find out you didn’t think it through enough

-repeat 3 times

then get it machined

[lyric nimbus]

yeah ok

[tawdry tree]

😃👍

[lyric nimbus]

but what about the screws

[tawdry tree]

stand offs

if your cnc machine can’t cut threads into holes, you can just make a hole through the case

[lyric nimbus]

well

i have a project i can work on next semester

:)

[tawdry tree]

lmk how it goes

and best of luck man

[dapper zephyr]

did someone replaced the ? (6) Silicone sandwich pad & gasket-mount. first of all i see that the factory inlay has a very complex and retaining architecture. it seems strange to me to simply replace something so complex with an inlay / mat / sponge.

[lyric nimbus]

like

i hope it turns out fucking awesome

in the meantime

i need to consider other mods

[tawdry tree]

you can’t just replace the gasket silicone with anything but there is foam specifically cut like that available on aliexpress

[lyric nimbus]

ideally i have uhh

• black/dark gray aluminum case, slightly lighter aluminum plate
• really nice black keycaps
• nice keys

[dapper zephyr]

do you found a pad of Poron to replace the silicon pad

[lyric nimbus]

honestly?

the stock keycaps are quite good already

[dapper zephyr]

found it

[tall hollow]

Could also tap the threads if it's metal

Or use a threadmill

[tawdry tree]

yeah true

[tawdry tree]

share link

[lyric nimbus]

ok time for the more traditional questions

[dapper zephyr]

https://de.aliexpress.com/i/1005008530097704.html

[tawdry tree]

yep that’s it

the 80he already comes with case foam so that’s kinda unnecessary

you could get the plate as well to try tho

[dapper zephyr]

i will later

[lyric nimbus]

i kinda want to see if i can upgrade from stock

like keep the same vibe

[thorn zealot]

The stock keycaps?

[lyric nimbus]

yeah

[thorn zealot]

U could look at some simple wob caps

[lyric nimbus]

hm

[lyric nimbus]

unironically

the stock caps are pretty good already

[tawdry tree]

Etched ABS? 🤮

[lyric nimbus]

i thought they were PBT?

[tawdry tree]

Stock on the 2HE were etched ABS afsik

unless you got the Lekker version

that was dyesub PBT

[lyric nimbus]

my keycaps feel grainy

so i thought it was PBT

[tawdry tree]

hmm

etched abs is a lot smoother

than woot’s doubleshot pbt

[lyric nimbus]

it feels grainier compared to my 11 year old razer keyboard

[tawdry tree]

maybe I’m misremembering

[lyric nimbus]

which is almost definitely ABS

and speaking of which

i talked about this in #💬│general but i wonder what a hypothetical ivory keycap would feel like

[half hill]

I won’t lie I don’t really like that channel TvT

[tawdry tree]

Oh wow

[half hill]

Lowkey feel like tech and keyboard modding are my safe spaces

[lyric nimbus]

this is obviously not gonna happen for ethical/legal issues

but i wonder how it'd feel

[tall hollow]

Oh nahhhh

[lyric nimbus]

and yeah i supposed it was PBT

[tall hollow]

Double shot pbt good

[tawdry tree]

yeah it is

[tall hollow]

I wonder though

[lyric nimbus]

i didn't like it because it was grainy

[tawdry tree]

I think they changed that

[lyric nimbus]

but it kinda grew on me

it feels nice

[tall hollow]

Single shot braille keycaps would be cool

[lyric nimbus]

what is "single shot" and "double shot"

[tall hollow]

Single shot means only one plastic is injected

Double shot means 2 plastics are injected into one mold

[tawdry tree]

double shot shinethrough would go hard ngl

useless

[tall hollow]

True lmao

[tawdry tree]

but would look kinda cool

[lyric nimbus]

ah ok

[tall hollow]

You can also do triple shot and quadruple shot but the fluid dynamics with those is much more complicated and requires more intentional designing around it.

[lyric nimbus]

anyways after looking at keycaps i am VERY curious on how a hypothetical ivory keycap would feel

[tall hollow]

Great question

You know what would be cool though

[lyric nimbus]

like

[tall hollow]

Solid jade keycaps

[lyric nimbus]

i assume it'd feel like god

[tall hollow]

Jade is expensive AF though

Lmao

[lyric nimbus]

hey man

at least your question CAN be answered

i'd get arrested before i got the answer to mine

[polar girder]

What about pearl

[lyric nimbus]

mmm

arent they brittle?

[polar girder]

Idk do you punch your keycaps?

[lyric nimbus]

no

[polar girder]

Jk

Good

[lyric nimbus]

that is fair

[polar girder]

Machining would be difficult to say the least lol

[lyric nimbus]

but i'm curious about ivory specifically because old pianos used them

how would it transfer over to keycaps

[tawdry tree]

cerakeys but lighter

like bone

[lyric nimbus]

mmm

so how'd they feel

[tawdry tree]

slippery

lol

[lyric nimbus]

would they feel good...

[tawdry tree]

eh

slippery is kinda not nice

imo

I have a paper opener supposedly from bone of a camel

[lyric nimbus]

hm

[tawdry tree]

it feels like ceramic

[lyric nimbus]

mm

yeah ok

[tawdry tree]

like a ceramic but less dense

ivory should be similar

or so I heard

[lyric nimbus]

so it's just "do you like slippery keys"

and if the answer is "yes" it'd feel really fucking good and "no" it'd feel weird

[tawdry tree]

not a paper opener, a letter opener*

[tall hollow]

Ivory also patinas very well over time

So it won't look like absolute garbage like 5 years down the line

The same thing can't be said about pbt or abs keycaps lmao

[lyric nimbus]

man if only ivory was ethical to source

[tall hollow]

They just become smooth and shiny the more you use it lmao

And it's not the good kind of shiny

It's like, greasy and sticky looking type of shiny

[tawdry tree]

we’ll have plants that grow tusks in a decade or two, dw 🥰

[lyric nimbus]

yeah i'll get to figure it out when im 40

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26470175

time to talk about a more realistic thing

i think i want an artisanal keycap for my escape key that's just a simplified version of my pfp etched onto it

[tawdry tree]

project number two

[lyric nimbus]

yeah

that project is gonna be much easier

and simpler

[tidal frigate]

@tawdry tree lets bet

[tawdry tree]

aight

[tawdry tree]

surelyy

[lyric nimbus]

i mean it's just a normal ass keycap with my pfp etched onto it

[tidal frigate]

Wooting is going to release new 60he on livestream or after livestream?

[lyric nimbus]

it can't be THAT bad

compared to cnc milling aluminum

maybe i can make the pfp out of silver or something?

idk

i probably need <1g anyways

[tawdry tree]

you can get molds like these for pretty cheap

[tawdry tree]

after

also it’s 60TMR

not 60HE

fpfp

[lyric nimbus]

wait

this is PERFECT

[tawdry tree]

lol

[lyric nimbus]

i can just epoxy mold it

[tawdry tree]

yeah

can prob find em on amazon

[lyric nimbus]

and then put something cool in the epoxy

[tidal frigate]

Oh Yes forgot

[tawdry tree]

yeah exactly

[lyric nimbus]

ok yeah this project is so much easier

compared to the aluminum case

[gusty patio]

what does tmr mean

[tawdry tree]

after livestream I think and during the computex stream if everything goes right

[tidal frigate]

I mean page of new founders campaign

[tawdry tree]

tunneling magnetoresistance

just a different type of sensor

[tawdry tree]

maybe no founders campaign

[gusty patio]

interesting, okay thanks

[tawdry tree]

they don’t need it anymore

[gusty patio]

yeah i realized 60 is prob not for me, imma miss my arrow keys, i think i need a 65..

[tidal frigate]

Well do you want new fancy discord role

[tawdry tree]

64%

[gusty patio]

is that a thing, i dont even know tbh

[tawdry tree]

Maybe they’ll do a symbolic founders campaign

[gusty patio]

i see it now, yeah that looks alright

[tidal frigate]

80he campaign was like that tho

[tawdry tree]

just the bottom right corner turned into arrow keys

but fits all 60% cases

so case compatibility is great unlike with 65%

[gusty patio]

oh 🤔 cool

[tawdry tree]

eh, a bit

[gusty patio]

and is there 64% HE pcbs

[tawdry tree]

but if they didn’t do the founders campaign of the 80HE, we’d have an abomination of a layout rn

[tawdry tree]

yeah

many

Hemu and MM Studio

[gusty patio]

thanks, good stuff. ill read into it

[tawdry tree]

are the most popular ones

[lyric nimbus]

so the stock double shot PBT keys are perfectly fine

i kinda like that aesthetic too

[tawdry tree]

yeah, they’re good

the best shine through ones you can get

[lyric nimbus]

hm

now onto switches

i think the most obvious upgrade is owlab ti he?

what other switch options do i have

[tawdry tree]

phylinas

[knotty iron]

what is a 64%?

[fallen pecan]

60% with arrows + 1 key

[unique shale]

Hi, would it be possible to have something engraved on the golden side panel of my Wooting keyboard at a jeweler’s? Would the engraving appear silver in that area? Has anyone ever tried this before ?

[ruby hill]

Sayo device K64H3MZ

[quasi hinge]

I had my board milled but that was on the zinc

I think that is pure brass unless im mistaken

[viral nest]

What you guys think of my mods for the wooting 60he+?

Case: redux 60
Switch: Owlab ti he
Keycaps: MK essentialls black
PCB: wooting 60he+
Plate: wooting 60he+ (steel)
Stabalizer: type plus x YIKB

[thorn zealot]

What’s the frame

[viral nest]

Sry mb plate*

[thorn zealot]

Did u buy the module or prebuilt

I’m pretty sure they have diff plates

[viral nest]

I had the keyboard at home already so prebuilt

[thorn zealot]

So prob a steel plate

Usually u label plates by the material

Other than that ur build is solid

[viral nest]

This?

[ruby hill]

Redux 60 -> leggera/owlab/gt60

[viral nest]

Should i get this @thorn zealot ?

[thorn zealot]

That plate is made out of pc

[thorn zealot]

If u want

[viral nest]

Idk do i need that!

?*

[thorn zealot]

Deeper soundin and softer feel compared to steel

[thorn zealot]

No

[viral nest]

Is it a big difference?

[thorn zealot]

I mean any mods u don’t need

[viral nest]

Well thats true too

[thorn zealot]

Depending on the build yes

[viral nest]

My build!

?*

[thorn zealot]

If u have no foam than yes it’s a noticeable diff

If u do it’s less noticeable

But still a decent diff

I would only get pc plate if u want a diff feel/sound

[viral nest]

Okey, is there anything else no right?

[thorn zealot]

For what ur build?

[viral nest]

Yes

[thorn zealot]

No ur 👍