🔧│keyboard_modding

[tropic urchin]

I’m a lazy bastard Turing

[cyan lark]

Ah investor leet speak

[tropic urchin]

Aka passive investing

[cyan lark]

Yeah I'm all in on indexes/etfs 🙂

[tropic urchin]

If I did it as my job I’d maybe be more active but that shit is exhausting

[cyan lark]

Yeah exactly

[stray tiger]

Buy the dip and the dip dip and the dip of the dip of the dip

[tropic urchin]

Save some for a HYSA and buy the dip
After type shii

[polar girder]

Catch a falling knife?

Glad I’m finally happy with what I got

[sweet oak]

https://tenor.com/view/dipdogketchup-hotdog-ketchup-dip-too-much-ketchup-gif-15500439418190481145

[cyan lark]

https://tenor.com/view/dip-burning-hot-sunglasses-gif-15680105

The dip that ruined my childhood

[harsh dove]

You're speaking my language

[tidal frigate]

Thats fake weird red liquid

[stone flax]

ulx so good

[kind helm]

[uneven cradle]

Stab lubing is difficult to get right out of the factory, and yes I see deleted comments I see everything

But it's alright you can buy venom and have to buy and manually lube your stabs as well. So I guess nothing changes, gotta lube those stabs

[harsh dove]

Tbh stabs are something I never expect to be good out of the box in terms of factory lube, I always just do them myself

and idk how anyone is wasting money on wooting lol

The whole venom vs wooting debate is cringe, they cater to two different audiences

[chilly mural]

and there's still not going to be a numpad at the end of the tunnel

[uneven cradle]

Also I believe Geon is going to be putting some Wooting stuff on his store soon and Wooting already has the Raw HEs

[harsh dove]

Yeah that's the thing too, Geon and Wooting literally collaborate together and got people in here tryna act like there's some divide lol, everyone is on the same team

But everyone's allowed to have an opinion even if they're bad opinions

[uneven cradle]

Console wars all over again

[glacial wind]

Just a nice little daily 6% drop to wake up to

[kind helm]

I see everything

i should install that plugin as well

too lazy

[glacial wind]

It’s just cringelords who can’t actually defend their statements trying to make it into some big competition when people can have different boards for different requirements

[uneven cradle]

I just see everything because I was in the chat when you sent it, I don't have any plugins I mean also have access to logs

[kind helm]

ahhh ic

[glacial wind]

If you’re going to say something just say it. Don’t troll and backtrack cause that’s even more cringe

[harsh dove]

Yeah, just say it with your chest

[kind helm]

deleted because i dont wanna waste my time repeating the same shit and hearing the same cope

its the same thing every time

4 year warranty. support

bla bla bla

[glacial wind]

I mean yeah, you say that stuff then admit you can’t defend the statements then say you don’t want to discuss it

If that’s your view then why say it at all

[kind helm]

we can discuss it if something comes out of it but there is nothing so theres no point

[glacial wind]

So why troll about it in the first place. That’s lame as shit.

[kind helm]

i already mentioned the point why 4 year warranty is trash when you can buy 2 pcb for the price of one wooting

[harsh dove]

Different strokes for different folks, cater to different audiences

[glacial wind]

yeah then I always bring up the examples then you say i have a point about not everyone being your preference and admit that it may not fit everyone else

If you literally know that your point doesn’t hold up to other people and you constantly say you don’t want to discuss it then why bring it up to begin with

[harsh dove]

Wooting also has a plethora of youtube videos explaining how to do everything and damn near every mod and switch testing, but I really don't get why it's a competition lol

[kind helm]

i personally think wooting is popular because people dont know whats good and wooting was the first and the biggest, its not a competition at all

[glacial wind]

I personally think that statement lacks understanding of how markets or peoples preference work

And that some of the enthusiasts crowd has an issue of putting themselves into others shoes and understanding that not everyone has the same ideals or wants as them.

[harsh dove]

Most people aren't keyboard enthusiasts, most people are completely new to the hobby or new to HE in general

and Venom is not a great recommendation for new users

[kind helm]

thats true if price and performance wise they are equal

[harsh dove]

It's for enthusiast

[kind helm]

but not really

[glacial wind]

the big part is also it seems a lot of you guys in that crowd seem to think that if someone has a different preference to you it’s because they’re not as smart or informed as you - no, they just have different preferences

[glacial wind]

We’ve also discussed how performance hits diminishing returns at which stage other features and benefits become more important

Which you’ve admitted to being true

[harsh dove]

Most people aren't going to notice or maybe even care about 1k vs 8k polling tbh

It's not gonna make them a pro gamer

[kind helm]

i did and i still agree, but still, if you are going to buy shit for gaming. then it doesn't make sense to spend more and get lesser

[glacial wind]

This literally all goes back to the dumb view that “if someone doesn’t see this the same way as me it’s because they’re not smart or informed like me” which is completely wrong and it shows a lack of understanding how people think

[kind helm]

it is just about informing people about options and having a bit of fun, but you every time people say anything about wooting you turn into the dark lord and be like "how dare they"

[glacial wind]

And we’re back to the same statement that your sense of lesser isn’t the same as someone else who values ease of use, longer support etc

[harsh dove]

Lol

If your way of informing people is this, then that's kind of a weird way to inform someone

[kind helm]

i am just sayin, aint that serious man

[glacial wind]

No, it’s because you go to people and basically say they’re wrong for having a different opinion instead of “I have a preference for bare bones performance at the cost of x other feature or thing”

Notice the nuance?

[silver nest]

has anyone tried these?

[kind helm]

bruh that guy knows what venom is already, hes just teasing me and i am sayin something back

[harsh dove]

I don't shit on the venom when I inform people about keyboards

you guys sit here and say wooting is shit all the time

[thorn zealot]

💀

[kind helm]

because of course he was hella serious in getting multiple wooting to just get the stabs right

hell yea

[thorn zealot]

yeah many ppl

[kind helm]

comon man

[glacial wind]

The irony is one of the biggest things wooting has is a big community thanks to their investment into it with things like community managers etc - and it’s why venom fans who shit on wooting hang out here

[silver nest]

are they good better than raws?

[thorn zealot]

according to everyone that has both yes they better

[kind helm]

stat wise they are shit, it is just what it is, we can agree the difference is insignficant but the difference do be there

[glacial wind]

Again with this statement you’ve basically just stated you care more about one feature over another and said anyone who thinks the other is more important is wrong

[silver nest]

bet might have to get these

[glacial wind]

if you care about your board being 0.02 Ms quicker then great. Awesome and I’m happy you have your preferences. That’s not wrong and it’s also not wrong for someone else to say “that doesn’t matter to me and k care about overall board software, support etc”

Neither statement is wrong yet you act like only your view is right

Then when confronted you say it’s just banter and go away then restate it later

[silver nest]

thats why people use 8k polling on everything(including me)

[distant crag]

100g initial and 640g bottom-out flux. good/bad/ok?

[glacial wind]

How about just not saying anything at all if you know your argument literally falls apart and isn’t correct.

[kind helm]

look at who i am talking to when i say those things

did i ever say to anyone who just got a wooting "you got scammed"

???

[glacial wind]

You mean the other guys who also make the troll comments just as rage bait

[kind helm]

surly mr phish was rage baiting me somehow

[glacial wind]

The whole divisive trolling nonsense is just your way of trying to state things without actually stating things

And it’s lame as shit.

[thorn zealot]

idk when but prob

[glacial wind]

They’re both good boards with different advantages for different people and constantly trying to make troll comments like that then run away is incredibly lame

[silver nest]

venom = 🗑️ gt-60 better

[kind helm]

wooting from a price stand point is still shit honest opinion

[harsh dove]

Why

[kind helm]

opinion

[harsh dove]

lol

[glacial wind]

He won’t back it up after confronted

[kind helm]

btw in case you think i am starting a cult somehow

[harsh dove]

Nah mj already did that, you're good

[kind helm]

because many cheaper options exist with the same if not better performance

much cheaper option

[glacial wind]

And we’re back to the “my opinion is more correct than others because my preferences are more important than theirs”

anyone who values long warranty, a company that invests in projects like ux design and profit sharing with properly paid employees, content teams that livestream regularly to stay in touch etc - none of those matter because Josh says cheaper is more important

[silver nest]

i think most people go for wooting is because of ease of use and also because there's more info online about since it was the first customizable he board

[kind helm]

so when i mention my opinion that means my opinion is more correct

???

[glacial wind]

because it’s what you imply when you state things that you know mainly just apply to you and your preferences

[kind helm]

imply.. alright man

mb

i put my words through chatgpt next time sry

[glacial wind]

My opinion is that using the “my opinion” line to defend statements usually means they’re unable to back it up logically and need an out

it’s just a green card to say whatever you want then say my opinion at the end so that no one can debate it as if opinions don’t vary and aren’t very different for different people

[thorn zealot]

but u just said my opinion

[harsh dove]

It's not cheaper for me

and still need keycaps and stabilizers if I went geon site

[kind helm]

now you trolling me

[harsh dove]

which is another shipping charge for having to buy those somewhere else

I'm just saying everyone situation is different

[glacial wind]

The funny thing is the literal guy who made venom popular, eyejoker, puts venom equal in cost because he knows the average venom build will still be very pricy

[harsh dove]

Didn't even inlcude my Discord discount on the Wooting site

[glacial wind]

You forgot to include the 54% markup too

[harsh dove]

Yeah about that...

lol

[chilly mural]

Man, not everybody needs 2 keyboard.

also 1 wooting includes case, switches and warranty

[chilly mural]

gonna try it soon, hopefully it'll arrive next week

[harsh dove]

Well I even chose 80HE instead of 60HE and Zinc case

could've been cheaper technically

[tawdry tree]

He means when one breaks.

[harsh dove]

but I choose 80HE for the 8k if we comparing performance

[kind helm]

i am just thinking in terms of, good prebuilt -> many chinese board options, customizability -> venom.
wooting, 4 year warranty, ease of use, easy to get help, stay updated, for higher price.

if people know all the options, how many people who are gamers still care about wooting, i do not know

[glacial wind]

The answer is many. Many care.

[tawdry tree]

The warranty is two years for everything, 4 years for all components except for the LEDs.

If you’re from the EU, all keyboards will come with 2 year warranty.

Software support is Woot’s strong point as it always has been. Longest track record by far.

[glacial wind]

Like outside of this weird peripheral discord bubble most people do not care about 0.02ms etc and do not want to build their own keyboards

[kind helm]

in terms of algorithm related things, doesn't seem to have changed a lot since idk late 2023?

[tawdry tree]

Which is the only degrading part of the board, so 🤷‍♂️

[glacial wind]

It may amaze you to know that razer is a literal billion dollar company still

[glass comet]

which HE switch would u guys say are the clackiest

[kind helm]

and most can agree razer is shit, only selected products are good

[thorn zealot]

holy shit someone asking for "clack" instead of "thock"

[glacial wind]

And that Logitech is still a behemoth in the space despite

[harsh dove]

Yeah I hear you, that's basically my point, both are great products, and offer good options between both, it's really just about preference at the end of the day. I think the Venom is great for enthusiast but not for newcomers/beginners, which is where I think Wooting shines

[glacial wind]

I’m using them as an example of people’s preferences and thinking

[tawdry tree]

Software support as in older products still getting updates. Not sure how firmware/software compares to competition. No proper way to test HE boards in general as they’re notoriously difficult to test objectively.

[uneven cradle]

Yeah if you're buying the keyboard from a non EU store though you're not getting that warranty

[thorn zealot]

prob ttc poms, owlabs, and some others i cant think of

[harsh dove]

Wooting was great at getting people into the keyboard hobby and modding/custom boards

[glacial wind]

You can’t apply the thinking of discords mostly made up of overly online teenagers to the rest of the gaming space

[kind helm]

to me its like the named brands are not necessarily good, but they do sell a lot which is why it is, to me, hard to tell if people know the options

[glacial wind]

yeah but ask yourself why they sell a lot more

[kind helm]

marketing, sponsorship with pros

[tawdry tree]

True.

[glacial wind]

Yeah but break down that marketing

[harsh dove]

Wooting basically found the middle ground of having a great customizable prebuilt vs the competition

[glacial wind]

What do they market etc

[kind helm]

i dont wanna look at marketing as a consumer if i am just trying to buy a product

[glacial wind]

Put yourself into the shoes of someone who doesn’t care at all about building their own keyboard

[glacial wind]

If you don’t want to look at marketing then why are we discussing the popularity of products

That’s literally how products are sold and why they’re sold

[kind helm]

i dont wanna talk about popularity of products, i am talking about which product is worth buying

[glacial wind]

Average customer lifetime spending, ideal target customer etc

[harsh dove]

Well 'worth' is a matter of opinion based on what you want/need

[uneven cradle]

Me when I try to explain to a workmate they should get a custom, yeah if you wait 6 months pay more money and forgo having a warranty you can get a sick keyboard

[glacial wind]

Yeah but maybe just maybe some of the reason they don’t buy the product you prefer isn’t lack of information but because they value things different to you

believe it or not there are a lot of very smart people out there who choose to not value the same things as you even if informed

[tawdry tree]

If a product has the highest price but isn’t particularly close to the objective best, it’s in a bad spot I’d say.

Doesn’t matter much yet because it’s still very popular and can ride that for a while longer.

[glacial wind]

True, but that doesn’t really apply to wooting so they’re not really in danger there

not being particularly close to objective best would be more like a Logitech that has massive chatter issues and can’t even run at 0.1 properly

you have to realize the world at large does not peep into 0.02ms focus mode type differences anywhere near what discord peripheral core does

[tawdry tree]

Not sure about anything outside of the EU, but there are more and more less expensive yet decent options popping up. For sure not putting a dent in Woot’s profits yet but they aren’t the only ones around anymore, that’s for sure.

[glacial wind]

Again it comes down to your value of what is close isn’t the same as general population

Which is fine and it’s why you may value a venom or whatever more

But it’s also why an average Joe may not care or value it the same way as you - both preferences are valid and okay

[tawdry tree]

For peripherals, cheaper options tend to sell better nearly always right?

Not more popular per se but more accessible and therefore more people that go with those options.

[glacial wind]

Kind of but that’s a complicated discussion on economics and maximize sales based on pricing data

It depends on demographics etc too and what they’re willing to spend

[tawdry tree]

That’s what I mean. There are many cheaper, more accessible options here now. So it’s not just Wooting or a mech board anymore.

Which has an impact for sure. Just not big enough yet.

[glacial wind]

Again you’re blanket applying your preference to everything else and honestly I’m not interested in debating another I can’t prove it but I believe” thing with you

[harsh dove]

"I also feel our core customer group is pretty different to Geon. The enthusiast goes for the most personal build/layout options they can get at Geon. Whereas the 'normie' switches to us from Razer or Logitech after hearing we are better. We are in a weird middleground providing the most custom type of keyboard while catering to the non-keyboard fanatics." - How Heaps from Wooting put it

Basically what I said earlier

[glacial wind]

Yeah wooting cators to the group of people that aren’t in those demos

[tawdry tree]

🤔🤔 Don’t know how we got here but whatever.

[glacial wind]

When I think ideal wooting customer I think my friend who is a literal Emmy award winning esports persona yet using a $20 red keyboard

If you bring up building a venom etc he will never ever do that

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, I don’t think the Venom appeals to the people Woot’s boards appeal to at all. Probably not even the Module.

[harsh dove]

Yeah thats my point basically, not trying to say either product is worse, just pros and cons

[kind helm]

then you have the chinese boards that are now popping up, wooting is at a weirder place now i personally think. you have to not care enough to get "best performance" and care engouh to spend a large amount

[uneven cradle]

The module definitely opens it up as an easier middle ground for people to maybe explore the custom scene

[distant crag]

I have many friends, they prefer wooting over building a custom he kb even if it's cheaper and with better performance. They just want something good without doing any research on how to assemble kb/what switch is better/what case is better etc.. They are not KB enthusiast.

[glacial wind]

I think a big thing about the super core demographic of custom keyboard type buyers is they are unable to believe that other preferences may be just as informed and valid as theirs

[tawdry tree]

The amount of people Woot has brought into this hobby is incredible honestly.

[glacial wind]

it’s always a belief that “oh if they just knew better they’d think like me” when that’s not at all how the world or people work

[harsh dove]

Yeah I guess if you care enough about the product you're buying and where your money is going and if you care to do research on said products then that'll play into your buying decisions forsure

[kind helm]

yeee module and 80he were great when they came out.

i just dont think they are as competitive rn

[uneven cradle]

They came out like 6 months ago

[harsh dove]

Tirade is here, run

[glacial wind]

Lol

[harsh dove]

[tawdry tree]

80HE before it came out. ;)

[glacial wind]

Yeah it’s literally been 6 months and somehow it’s out of date already

[kind helm]

things changing fast because money being made

[harsh dove]

Damn Nixies suck, out of date

[kind helm]

that some sound and feel stuff

[chilly mural]

Ease of mind counts too you know, I think Razer and (maybe) Logi is still being sold really well because you can get it in physical store. I mean, that's why most of my stuff is Logitech before.

[kind helm]

https://tenor.com/view/case-caseoh-your-banned-you'e-banned-get-out-gif-7698576230662898937

[stray tiger]

I'm not sure any of this matters. Wooting is the most popular esports board for current pro FPS players (check here https://prosettings.net/guides/gaming-keyboard/) and for HE keyboards overall for all gamers. It's not just the warranty, it's the out of box experience, the community, the software, the ease of settings/configuration via wootility and swapping between boards and profiles, plus they are the first with new features. All of this and also the most transparent company in the industry.

[kind helm]

i dont know how much is a 16 yo willing to pay for ease of mind, but yea i agree that is one big thing wooting has

[glacial wind]

But why are we using 16 yr old as the main demographic

[chilly mural]

I think you should count the parents that have the money

[uneven cradle]

I know my parents wouldn't allow me to build my own PC even with my own money so ease of mind is definitely a factor

[glacial wind]

That’s back to the entire point that not every ideal buyer is a terminally online discord peripheral enthusiast teenager

in fact I’d argue that their core demographic is the literal opposite

[thorn zealot]

so tuan

[kind helm]

i thought gamers are around there but i guess we old af now not sarcastic btw in case somebody take it the wrong way

[glacial wind]

The gamer demographic is actually quite old nowadays

[chilly mural]

Maybe like 20's average

[glacial wind]

It’s heavily in 20-40 year old demographic these days

[chilly mural]

Since most people that start with Fortnite prop already 18 by now

[glacial wind]

Yeah there’s a crowd of under 20s too for sure, but that’s crowd also doesn’t really represent the spending as much

[chilly mural]

Yeh, prop playing with their ipad and only spending on robux/vbucks

[glacial wind]

it’s way more common that the spending happens for the gamers out of college with jobs these days

[uneven cradle]

Would say a lot of people buying who are under 18 are using mum and dad, who do in fact care about things like warranty

[harsh dove]

Alright you guys got me, I'm going back to my Corsair K70 Platinum

[glacial wind]

wootings core demo is my friend who literally bought a non he Logitech keyboard off Amazon because he couldn’t be bothered figuring out what switch he wanted with the semi pre built I recommended

Or my friend who works in esports and still uses his $20 red keyboard

they’re those guys. Not the 16 year olds terminally on discord who spend 10 hours researching switches and latency

[fluid ravine]

huh

why am i apart of this

[harsh dove]

I wonder how many peeps new to the hobby have bought incompatible switches for their first time

[thorn zealot]

what

they were talking abt 16 yr old discord peripheral enthusiasts

reminded me of u

[fluid ravine]

im trying to play repo

[fluid ravine]

ah alr

[harsh dove]

aura bro

[fluid ravine]

[uneven cradle]

Seen a few, especially those Geon Raws vs Geon Raw HEs

[glacial wind]

Frogson is a good example actually he prefers his venom, which is totally okay

[tawdry tree]

ChatGPT could be lying but all best selling boards listed are around $200. Maybe the best selling boards aren’t cheaper ones as I expected.

[harsh dove]

Haha right, would be interesting to see like a poll of how many peeps accidentally bought incompatible switches cause they didn't know any better

[fluid ravine]

dunno whatcha talking about but yeeee

[thorn zealot]

silly opinions

[fluid ravine]

o

[fluid ravine]

so we spilling onions

ic

[uneven cradle]

You don't own Wooting anymore?

[tawdry tree]

Quite a few people have asked if mech switches were compatible here. And a few of those had actually bought the switches already..

[fluid ravine]

[tawdry tree]

BAN.

[fluid ravine]

NU

[thorn zealot]

mods ban everyone

[fluid ravine]

I HAB WOOTING CABLE

I HAB WOOTING CABLE

[kind helm]

not even using it smh

[fluid ravine]

NUUU

[harsh dove]

Yeah I'd imagine quite a few do it, or even just getting the wrong HE switches with south pole magnets or incompatible flux ranges

[glacial wind]

Or they think wootings tech is in the switches

[harsh dove]

That one cracks me up

ngl

[fluid ravine]

nah for real

funniest HE moment

[chilly mural]

each switch bouta cost $10 if that's the case

[fluid ravine]

fr lmao

[harsh dove]

"But I won't have rapid trigger anymore if I don't use Lekkers?"

[tawdry tree]

Buy just the switches and plop them in your mech board for RT! 🥰

[glacial wind]

you’d be amazed by how many people just don’t care enough to overcome the friction of “more steps”

[uneven cradle]

I have seen people asking why Wootility doesn't work just to find out they don't even own a Wooting

[thorn zealot]

its crazy how ppl come here to ask questions

[harsh dove]

I have a Mad60 why won't Wootility work?

[thorn zealot]

but yet dont even google it themselves

[harsh dove]

We are google wym

[glacial wind]

Half my friend group in Korea still doesn’t order their purchases without their wife’s/partners because they can’t be bothered to even figure out how to make a Korean account properly

[thorn zealot]

ur right we are chatgpt

[harsh dove]

Instead of AI replacing us, we are replacing the AI

[glacial wind]

And that’s people who have lived here for like 5-10 years lol

[fluid ravine]

WootGPT

[thorn zealot]

like i see ppl who just join to ask 1 question

like brethren ask google that

[chilly mural]

possible, just need a lot of instruct dataset that relates to wooting QnA

[harsh dove]

I heard if you use your brain, AI can never replace you

[glacial wind]

Honestly ai really is taking over

I cancelled my canva business subscription other day because chatgpt image gen is better and faster

[chilly mural]

TBH, it's all because people likes to become a cogs rather than multiple of it to make up an advance machine.

[harsh dove]

Eventually people will use AI to create a chat bot that enters Wooting discord for them and ask all the questions they need for them and then reports back to them when they're done

[thorn zealot]

💀 u dont want to see the rest

[kind helm]

i wonder how many people realize the problem they experience with chinese boards is due to their extremely low rt setting.

[harsh dove]

Exactly, Wooting out here saving folks with that deadzone

[kind helm]

pull up the value by a tiny bit, most likely better consistence than wooting and save yourself 100 dolla or somethin

[glacial wind]

That’s the friction that people can’t be bothered about to begin with

[harsh dove]

Nah that $100 spent on Wooting could save you from any of that stress

[glacial wind]

Or they could buy the wooting that worked out of the box for themselves and cators more to their preference because they don’t want to think about all that

you have to realize these people are the same like my friend who refused to upgrade his 60hz monitor until I picked the monitor for him, found the store and sent him a direct naver shop link to buy it

[chilly mural]

60hz is all you need

[harsh dove]

Yeah some people are super picky/stubborn fr

[kind helm]

who you talkin bout!

[glacial wind]

friction and ease of use matter a lot to people’s buying and usage preferences

You know there’s an entire science to how many clicks it takes to do anything on a website?

[harsh dove]

It made me think of my friend who asked for help with a PC build recently and got AM4 instead of AM5 and could've spent the same amount of money or even less on AM5

[glacial wind]

It’s called flat website development and ideally you want people to get to what they need in 2-3 clicks because more than that and they give up at high rates

[kind helm]

how does that make you feel

[glacial wind]

People be lazy and hate friction

[harsh dove]

Extremely depressed and upset

Nah but he asked me for help then didn't take my advice which was kinda weird but whatever lol

not my money

[thorn zealot]

??

[uneven cradle]

Aye man you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink

[harsh dove]

Basically they cared more about aesthetics than performance

$1500 budget, all white build, got AM4 instead of AM5

[harsh dove]

Yeah I know it all too well lol

[kind helm]

<why you shouldn't help people 101>

sry

[uneven cradle]

Hey @glacial wind you coming?

[thorn zealot]

how did the am4 effect the aesthetics

[glacial wind]

Eh I don’t speak good enough Korean to talk to them lol

[harsh dove]

They wanted an expensive AIO instead of a $30 Aircooler and a like $400 Motherboard instead of a $120 one

[chilly mural]

??? How

[harsh dove]

they got 5600X instead of the 7600X I recommended them

[uneven cradle]

I don't speak any but Geon said he'd be giving people from outside of Korea free stuff if they came

So

[chilly mural]

yay

free stuff to make the trip worth

[thorn zealot]

but somehow all this effected the aesthetics for them?

[harsh dove]

Basically spent $400 on a platform that's dead

When they could be on AM5 for the same price

[thorn zealot]

idk bout u but im lost in their decisions

[glacial wind]

Oh you’ll be in Korea during this?

[uneven cradle]

Yeah it's on the day of my friends wedding though but I'll be super close

[harsh dove]

Trust me I was too lol

[glacial wind]

The same way every guy in my friend group has stagnated Korean. They married or got partners who speak English and it killed their usage of Korean lol

[thorn zealot]

im assuming they kept being persistent and u just gave up

[chilly mural]

huh, okay that make sense

[kind helm]

https://tenor.com/view/preference-glarses-mx-brown-cherry-mx-brown-keyboard-gif-21044520

[chilly mural]

hard to use the language when you got no reason to do so

[harsh dove]

Yeah pretty much

[thorn zealot]

sounds like my sis

[glacial wind]

Oh maybe I go for a tshirt. I’m visiting Korea on a extended 10 year stay

Just a very long visit

[harsh dove]

Lol it was basically 5600X with $300-400 Mobo and $120 AIO vs the 7600X with $35 Air Cooler and $150 Mobo and RAM whether DDR4 or DDR5 was around the same price for 32GB

[kind helm]

just speak english to him and pretend. ez

[thorn zealot]

💀

as long as they dont play games that need a good pc to run then alr ig

[glacial wind]

Oh it’s Korean wedding anyway. Means in and out in an hour or two

God bless Korean wedding factory hall

Drop your $50 into the collection envelope box, entire wedding itself takes 30 mins to an hour, 30 mins eating at the buffet hall allocated to your wedding hall number and done

[harsh dove]

Yeah I was genuinely trying to help them get a solid PC for the money ($1500 budget) and they got that instead, so I was a bit upset lol, could've had better performance and an easy upgrade path for the future

[kind helm]

not everyone is a pc enthusiast like you cam!

[thorn zealot]

I don’t think that logic applies to pcs

[glacial wind]

There’s a guy in korea actually whose entire business is making a good up charge amount on foreigners in korea buying PCs just because they don’t want to do any thinking

He makes 6 figures

Just give him the money and he gives you the pc the next day

[harsh dove]

Lol I know right, but he did ask for help with the build and then ignored my help which was the part that made me go "wtf?"

[kind helm]

i think probably similar just in the way that people dont wanna think to keyboard, i remember my friend mentioned to me when i started modding keyboard, he was telling me how his friend was hosting some assembly job and making 100+ per board

[thorn zealot]

Same thing when my sis asked what shoes I should buy her

I showed her like 10 diff options from several brands and said no to all

[harsh dove]

Yeah I mean I informed him about the differences and everything, it wasn't just like I said "Just buy this", I showed videos, benchmarks, everything

[glacial wind]

that’s when you just give her money and say buy it yourself

[harsh dove]

He was keen on his decision

[thorn zealot]

Yeah but she told me get whatever pair

So I showed her them to make sure she was ok with them

[kind helm]

i am not gonna wear them anyway but thanks

[thorn zealot]

And said I don’t like em

[glacial wind]

I think the fascinating thing about hobbies is how preferences determine whether it’s waste or not

[harsh dove]

ISO = Waste

I make myself laugh

[glacial wind]

Like it’s always been fascinating that you can spend $350 on a geon f1-8x type case and get props because your metal case is a tad nicer but then if you spend that same amount on something for a different preference not in line with the core group then it’s bad

[thorn zealot]

I gave up said go barefoot

[kind helm]

yea i cant never buy stuff for ladies, unless they tell me beforehand what they like.

[uneven cradle]

Yeah I'll probably go early though wedding starts at like 2pm

[kind helm]

no gambling

[thorn zealot]

So what abt Christmas or birthday gifts

[kind helm]

do some random shit that makes myself happy and dont worry too much

[paper bloom]

Yo guys got a question does the 80HE module

come with cable or na

[glacial wind]

Christmas gifts lose a lot of their value when you’re an adult I think lol

[thorn zealot]

Good move

[kind helm]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-day-are-you-ready-for-some-football-gif-16278812894835706568

[glacial wind]

I have a standing order of I just call my relatives for Christmas and birthdays because we’d just buy what we want already if we wanted it

[uneven cradle]

We just do a draw every year in my fam and everyone gets assigned a person to get a gift. So everyone gets something nice

[glacial wind]

I want the same present bill gates wife got for him back when I was in whistler. A nice custom ski chalet for his birthday

nice of her to build the multi million dollar mansion without him knowing

[harsh dove]

Yes

Still includes a cable

[glacial wind]

i did not expect the first caseyneistat upload in ages to be a switch 2 review lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjKGToaFDvA

Nothing about the pricing stuff but not unexpected since it’s just a vlog visiting the display

[steel ibex]

Anyone know of good backlit keycaps? Or keycaps with really cool rgb

Also in black

[glacial wind]

honestly it's probably been mentioned before but you should just stick to the wooting keycaps if shine through backlight is important to you

shinethrough is kind of uncommon because enthusiast community doesn't really care about rgb much, so most keycaps aren't made to be shinethrough in that demo

you be a fan of lighter switches then it seems

[fluid ravine]

we love the aesthetics of keycapxcase color combo

[glacial wind]

i mean i agree, i don't use rgb at all lol

the only rgb i have on my wootings is the light bar for caps lock stuff

[ionic breach]

@glacial wind ive been given responsibility of my companies tiktok accounts

[glacial wind]

time to do some shorts research and start grinding out tiktoks

[ionic breach]

ive never touched tiktok lmao

imma youtube kid

[glacial wind]

wait i have my shorts checklist somewhere in my notion

[sacred elm]

the case is ass

thats the info

[ionic breach]

nah none

[ionic breach]

got a link?

i can only find ur tbc guides lmoa

[glacial wind]

• topic must be visually important (has to be shown to explained makes a better short topic)
• first frame must visually match title proposition
• avoid eye fatigue in first frame and keep visuals simple and in middle 80% of short (text etc in deep bottom will be blocked by controls)
• first frame must look clear at 1/5th size
• use color wheel contrast of 2 opposite sides color on the wheel to make thumbnails stand out visually

then you can do trend jacking which is just looking at what other shorts creators are doing and do something similar in your own niche

[ionic breach]

🙏

I am allowed to use the company logo and name

but one of the new ones will be my account so i can sell affilate products when im elligible too

imma start selling some mad60hes

[glacial wind]

i think the tricky thing about company accounts is making content that's related to the company and not just the individuals is tough lol

[ionic breach]

oh ya no worries

its just shorts of the courses we have

im just recording them and snipping it up

[glacial wind]

oh that's easy then

yeah just follow those visual rules and it's easy

[ionic breach]

yup will do

ngl its a bit rough

start a charity, propose a business, become an advisor to 2 business, class assistant in courses

and now manage a tiktok account lmao

[glacial wind]

intro is really important too for shorts, you kind of have to get right into it asap and get their attention because otherwise they'll scroll off immediately

is an example that jon youshaei likes to use

for as far as visual display goes in shorts

[ionic breach]

yup probably just gunna do that

[ionic breach]

10 bucks of commision per mad60he

[glacial wind]

yeah now you're understanding why those techtok channels and youtubers pump affiliate links everywhere lol

[ionic breach]

got damn

imma become miggs' disciple

[chilly mural]

Drakon going to do 'Beats wooting???' video every week

[steel ibex]

nah i dont like the rgb shining through the keycaps i want backlit only

[glacial wind]

what do you mean by backlit only?

do you mean just regular keycaps?

so the two main types of keycaps are shine through where the letters let light through to highlight them and standard non shine through keycaps which is just standard keycaps

if you're looking for 2nd type then it's just whatever you like because that represent maybe 99% of all the keycaps out there and comes in every color you could want

[untold wigeon]

what company

[ionic breach]

GEX Ventures

[ionic breach]

theres a lot and its based on preference and budget, but gmk mictlan is a good black set that is popular

[little glen]

Mictlan is v nice

[fallen pecan]

NJ80 case, 899 RMB, comes in black/red/white

[sour blade]

love those aliexpress keycaps

the glossy ones

[ionic breach]

is that the pearl keycaps?

[fallen pecan]

yes they are

[sour blade]

i woul,d have grabbed some if i was going through with my dt60 build

[fallen pecan]

dont come with the case tho

[ionic breach]

yea its not an aliexpress cheap ones lmao

[sour blade]

what is it

[fallen pecan]

KNSS80, 1499 RMB

[sour blade]

kbdfans?

[fallen pecan]

these 2 are 3rd party cases, not from kbdfans

[sour blade]

not the case the keycaps

[fallen pecan]

oh no idea where they're from

but i see similar ones go for around 100 RMB for the base kit

[sour blade]

the ones i saw were around 225 i must b getting scammed

[chilly mural]

Neither looks appealing to me

Nice to see more case options though

[ionic breach]

oh nah its quite cheap actually

https://kbdfans.com/products/pearlescent-cherry-profile-keycaps?variant=42941542203531

[sour blade]

i like the idea
laser machine sinter gold foil

design they used isnt for me either

but could do some cool custom stuff

oh it was kbdfans

this is so nice

baby blue tofu

very tempting

[glacial wind]

man i hate those cases lol

it's like one tried to copy owlabs epoch and other tried to copy mode sonnet but they left behind the whole reasons why those designs looked good

[sacred elm]

make simple minimalistic case challenge impossible

[glacial wind]

it's like the 'we got x at home' meme

[round sparrow]

You can dm them on instagram and hope to get more info

[fallen pecan]

do the tiger lite stabs actually sound this bad? https://streamable.com/wnmyv6

[sacred elm]

probably dry

[glacial wind]

it's a kit so i feel any stab issues is on the user for poor installation

it's just standard cherry stabs iirc

[fallen pecan]

he didnt show the lubing of stabs, prolly that

do those still need clipping?

[glacial wind]

yeah

it's the standard og cherry stab set where you need to clip them and everything

[chilly mural]

Aww man

[fallen pecan]

they're dirt cheap ig that's why kbdfans went with those

[calm pulsar]

found my geon switch opener
turns out I threw it in with some switches

[foggy scroll]

is this the appropriate place to ask for recommendations on keyboard customization stuff?

[glacial wind]

this would indeed be the appropriate place

[foggy scroll]

cool cool
wanting to build an HE board and trying to pick out a case atm. the tofu 60 looks good but i was looking for a lower typing angle and front height. Also love the look of the wilba salvation but same angle issues +expensive.
any recommendations for cases in that similar style but with a lower typing angle?

[glacial wind]

maybe a freebird60 if you buy the case only

wootings cases are all also fairly low angle options

but looks wise they don't look like a tofu60

[fallen pecan]

frog mini leggera 5 degrees

[glacial wind]

oh yeah frog leggera is great option too

[foggy scroll]

frog leggera was one i saw, is def on the list of possibilies (would just have to wait for a restock)
freebird looks cool too, is also on sale atm
sick, thanks

[glacial wind]

if you're in US probably order quick if you want frog leggera

although i guess if it's out of stock then you can't

[foggy scroll]

yea just not my favourite looking things. I seem to like the thinner bezels and minimal

[glacial wind]

frog leggera would be higher quality build wise than the freebird60 so i'd get that over freebird unless you can't find leggera in color you want

[fallen pecan]

someone bought out the acrylic o-ring leggera

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-4470566

[glacial wind]

yeah i see all the T versions are sold out too

[foggy scroll]

maybe this is the one to go for then
i was also trying to decide between tray mount and o-ring
i guess that depends on which pcb(and in turn stabs) i get

[glacial wind]

what pcb are you using? wooting would require the tray mount version

[calm pulsar]

on leggera you can freely use screw ins with gummy oring mount

[glacial wind]

if venom then you can get either though

[foggy scroll]

don't have one yet
so far i've grabbed switches and now im just planning everything out
was likely looking at venom or that new gateron one

[glacial wind]

take the venom if you have to pick between those 2

the new gateron one i wouldn't trust to be as well maintained as venom

[foggy scroll]

really? the early reviews i've seen online have said the opposit, interesting

[glacial wind]

the early reviews are all just tech tok glazing whatever is the latest generic pcb that performs well in tests

none of them actually use software etc long term or look at how much bug fixes or how often bug fixes come out

[calm pulsar]

the gateron one is kinda boring too with the 6.25u layout

I guess the only thing it has is spill proofing

[foggy scroll]

honestly the spill stuff was what nudged me towards it 😂

[fallen pecan]

not just spill proof, you can type in water as long as the usb c isnt wet

[glacial wind]

i'm pretty sure at this stage you could take a venom or any other pcb, slap on a different sticker on it and say it's the new "python v5 pcb with sub 0.000001ms response" and techtok will be saying "this new pcb is amazing and by far the best i've felt. My new main"

[foggy scroll]

the reviews i had seen were Fresh and Boardzy. i don't think either of them are particularly big into keyboard stuff but they both had the same opinion of it feeling better in game

[glacial wind]

yeah neither of those do any actual tests beyond "oh this feels alright" despite the fact that all of these pcb use similar performing parts

[ionic breach]

btw there is ac7r in the company , im trying it rn

[glacial wind]

there's zero chance you can actually feel a difference when both pcbs support 0 deadzone already, you literally can't get more responsive and we're at the 0.0001 second difference stage

[haughty frigate]

Anyone changed the switches on Zinc Alloy Wooting 80HE without taking the case apart?

[fallen pecan]

you dont need to take anything apart when swapping switches

[glacial wind]

it's why i say you can literally send fresh and boardzy a venom with the name changed and claim it performs 5x faster than previous boards and they'd probably feel 'oh this performs better imo'

[fallen pecan]

well, unless you're on lekkers

[haughty frigate]

But Sander said they can break easily if not taking the case apart

[haughty frigate]

I have the default Wooting 80HE switches

[fallen pecan]

then that's easier than pulling out from the top

[glacial wind]

to give you a frame of reference. The venom performs at 0.00016 seconds latency response rate

so even if the gateron pcb is at 0.00001 second response rate (which it's not), no human on the planet can notice the difference or use the difference. We're into the tens of thousands of a second difference and any reviewer who says they feel the difference at that stage would never put money on noticing the difference because they know it's bs

[foggy scroll]

so you're leaning towards venom because the software is likely better maintained?

[glacial wind]

not even 'likely' - it straight up is

it gets regular monthly-ish updates and bug fixes and has had that happen since launch basically

[harsh dove]

I’d be willing to bet money on people even being able to notice 1K polling vs 8K polling in a blind test

[glacial wind]

yeah people can't even notice 1k vs 8k which is 1ms, yet reviewers are trying to claim they notice the difference in 0.05ms level stuff

and that's before we even get to the fact that the venom is already absurdly fast and almost at theoretical fastest limit for 8k already

[chilly mural]

You're going to see more improvements going from wifi to ethernet as opposed to 1khz to 8khz keyboard

[ionic breach]

i just tried 240 lens and now im gunna go broke

[chilly mural]

Waow, going into camera territory immediately

[ionic breach]

my company has a Sony ac7r and a zve10 i can play around with

[glacial wind]

full frame sony lenses do be pricy

[ionic breach]

the zve10 is suprisingly not overheating when recording for like 2hrs

is it streaming specifically that tends to overheat?

[glacial wind]

it shouldn't under normal usage

[glacial wind]

streaming is the hardest on all cameras

[harsh dove]

Also gotta think when streaming, they’re sitting right next to monitors , sometimes PC and being hit by all that heat

Key lights etc

[glacial wind]

generally dummy battery + streaming at 1080p 24/30 frames and decent airflow/air con should keep most modern sonys from overheating streaming

but if you stream 4k or no air con it can be gg pretty quick

[harsh dove]

Yeah definitely gotta have some good air flow lol

[glacial wind]

although i don't know many who stream 4k, there's kind of no point

[harsh dove]

Yeah 4K more for the YouTube stuff I feel

[glacial wind]

it's too hard for viewers to watch 4k stream so no one streams in 4k

your full frame lenses going to cost you more than the camera though if you're going sony branded ones

24-70 g master 2 lens is like $2.7k singapore dollar

then a decent wide angle option for vlog stuff like 16-25mm g lens is $1.6k sgd

[ionic breach]

how are sony kit lens these days

[glacial wind]

they're all fine honestly. You mostly pay to get the lenses with better low light performance

so like you can cut price in half or more by not buying f2.8 capable lens

but then you don't get as nice bokeh and you'll have 1-2 stops less light

or you can go non sony brand and also cut price in half, but auto focus and stabilization will be tiny bit less good

[chilly mural]

I like it when nothing is blurry

No subject focus, just everything present like the nature

[glacial wind]

yeah for vlogging i think that's better actually

ideally you swap between them, so when focus is on just you talking then you get the blurry depth of field look with just you in focus, then when you do wide/medium shots you use higher stop and show the whole scene

iirc it was steven spielberg who likes the no blur shots. Most of his stuff is setup to show background and foreground details to add to scenes

[chilly mural]

I mean like, if the character is detailed enough the viewer will automatically apply the DOF themselves with the help of their brain. Unless you're me, and just look at other thing in the background while the character is talking.

[glacial wind]

sometimes you want to hide those other things though, so audience focuses on the characters talking

just different types of shots depending on the feel people are going for

it's like the famous casey neistat zoom in, where he'll physically zoom in on his face to focus in when he wants to make a point

[peak breach]

My new keycaps shipment status hasn’t update in the last 3 days same goes for my aliexpress order

[little glen]

3 days is nothing. One of the smallest numbers

[fringe quarry]

😔

[chilly mural]

it's fine, been waiting for my venom for more than a week now since shipment

[calm pulsar]

AE can do that during the good times, so it might be okay

[fallen pecan]

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=895599985575

it's kinda like the owlabs hinge thing on the 60, but they don't mention it in the marketing

and yes they cover up the lightbar, leaving just a single dot

[tawdry tree]

https://x.com/freewheeler_/status/1908479116896330253 damn

I like this one the most so far

[chilly mural]

hehe, black pink

[tawdry tree]

idk about the light bar thingy tho

[chilly mural]

1100 yuan

[fallen pecan]

these cases are getting pricier by the day

[chilly mural]

I mean, it's not exactly a global standard

and only for 1 board

[tawdry tree]

do they mean only their plate will be compatible with the case?

[fringe quarry]

can someone make a case without light bar cutout

[fallen pecan]

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=907460904106 TX Multitool: keycap puller / switch opener / switch puller / pcb thickness measure / stem length measure

[tawdry tree]

It won’t work well (ordering it anyway rn, ty for sharing sir).

it looks sick af

ye but magnetic stems too fat

prob

[fallen pecan]

ye these are for mx i reckon

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=906954293612 XVX Cracked Ice caps

[tawdry tree]

so much cool shit wtf

those caps look sick as well

[fallen pecan]

comes in 4 colors

[peak breach]

Metal?

[fallen pecan]

guess

[tawdry tree]

eh

[tawdry tree]

coating I think

[peak breach]

Hmmm

[fallen pecan]

1st 200 orders gets a random cap

[tawdry tree]

XVX does that on their other caps as well but just transparent instead

[peak breach]

Ooo thats pretty

Shiny

Not a big fan of metal keycaps

[sweet oak]

Pretty cap, but finalmouse levels of stock

[fallen pecan]

i think you can buy these, lemme check

[peak breach]

Wasnt the optimum collection similar

[fallen pecan]

just a freebie they toss out

[peak breach]

Like 200 units

[fallen pecan]

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=887990801490 you can buy these separately, 30 rmb each

[sweet oak]

Oh peak

[fallen pecan]

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=816192576114 TX wrist rest, made of "fake ceramic"(???)

[tawdry tree]

👀

[tawdry tree]

Do these come only for standard 60%? The listing seems to say that but the pic shows 65%?

[fallen pecan]

other layouts otw

60 for now

https://streamable.com/1gxg7m

[kind helm]

that clearance fee seems normal

already paid

idk

maybe gov gonna request more money later through mail or something

[fallen pecan]

dhl gonna ask for it at your front door

[tawdry tree]

that’s how it works(ed) here.

[fallen pecan]

and slap a service fee on top for 'handling it for you'

[tawdry tree]

exactly

a service fee that’s double that of the fee itself

🥰

[kind helm]

scary

[chilly mural]

Time is hard when nobody paying them to ship stuff outside of country

[kind helm]

dk, hopefully things go right

3-5 business days the package arrives, once the package is handed to DHL, i think

so will see soon enough

[fallen pecan]

wont look too great on a wooting

since they're north facing

[tawdry tree]

KoM RGBs better

but still not perfect

[tidal frigate]

You will pay tarrifs

[little glen]

that looks interesting, any info like typing angle/height etc available?

[tawdry tree]

Nope. Very little info is available.

[tawdry tree]

This is everything.

[gusty patio]

want to make a new HE board later this year, think its just venom that has TKL pcb? but I dont know if I can find a good quality case to go with it (like alu or something else even, just dont want plastic)

[round sparrow]

Do you need the 2 extra keys? Otherwise just get the 80he

Or do you already have one?

[stone flax]

h87/h88

very big compatibility

GEONWORKS F1-8X (F12 WK/WKL)
GEONWORKS F2-84 (with daughterboard)
GEONWORKS Frog TKL F12 WK
GEONWORKS Frog Leggera TKL F12 WK/WKL
GEONWORKS GLARE TKL
Tiger Lite Gaming
TX eo87
Singa Jaguar
Syryan Monte Bianco
Syryan Brick TKL
KLC Theca
KLC Baebae
LINx3 Montage
LINx3 Dolphin 2021
Baion Gehirn
KMG TKL
Merisi Ottantaquattro
TGR Shi Va
Keycult No.1 TKL
Novelkeys Classic TKL

H87c / H87nu compatible housings

just some stuff

basically anything that can fit a hiney 87c/88 pcb can house a venom

[uneven cradle]

A big list of keyboard cases you'll need to go digging on the second hand market for

[gusty patio]

yeah, already have one, so dont really wanna do it again

[gusty patio]

thanks for the list. might be challenging to find the cases then eh.. well something to work with. appreciate it

maybe a new case comes around i can keep an eye on that too

[peak breach]

personally i got the 80he and i plan on building a 60% mx keyboard next then im done

[calm pulsar]

Frog Leggera TKL will be a thing though

[gusty patio]

i wish i could do the 60% thing but i think ill miss my keys, and i dont really need to do it for a form factor reason either so eh.. but yeah it does look real nice

that looks nice (and expensive) 😛

[uneven cradle]

That is cool if true

[kind helm]

#1217073584258809886 message

[uneven cradle]

How many frogs is too many

[jade prairie]

wow man...

[stone flax]

offensively ugly

whens its dropping

[round sparrow]

that’s rly ugly

[jade prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/tekashi-tekashi69-69-sixnine-6ix9ine-gif-17500772

[surreal edge]

tabao 80he case are good with 80he? or i should get just kbdfans gt-80

[harsh dove]

Idk what cases are on taobao but probably not great quality

[surreal edge]

yeah...i think so....but can i buy kbdfans from china directly? so i can save on customs

ig

[harsh dove]

Interesting, similar price to 80HE Module

[fallen pecan]

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=859880652988

[surreal edge]

yeah price minor cheap than kbdfans...but tabao work better for me

[fallen pecan]

read the shop name

[harsh dove]

More GMK Dust but way worse

Not a fan

Looks like the keycaps have GMK recycled cardboard all over the keys

[harsh dove]

Not bad, no centered usb tho

And I personally don’t want a little heart on my keyboard

Bit girly

[kind helm]

tba, think its ic

[kind helm]

they have a price already?

[harsh dove]

^

[kind helm]

from tiger lite, i assume HE would probably be like 30 dolla more expensive

[harsh dove]

Was kinda crazy how popluar the 80HE was for the amount of people hating on the layout

Even tho there's no universal tkl layout

[kind helm]

no other decent option for tkl at the time i think

btw. keeping you guys updated :3

[cyan lark]

I suspect the layout haters are a vocal minority. For me, as long as I have some nav cluster in a reasonable spot, f keys and arrows I’m happy.

I only wish there was a standard for more case options but I don’t really care what TKL flavor it is.

75% also fits the bill

[fluid ravine]

froggy dwarf :3

i want one

forever sold out :<

[glacial wind]

Keep in mind on top of case you’ll need a custom plate made for a lot of the options

Compatibility in tkl format is a bit tricky for HE because HE boards usually have more standoffs to avoid the actual pcb flexing (bad for he accuracy at lower ranges). It’s why geon sells separate plates for his venom kits vs mx kits. So compatibility can be a bit trickier beyond just matching the case

[harsh dove]

Yeah finding compatible plates is harder than finding a case

[stone flax]

custom platemakers like goat hypekeebs

[stone flax]

Thx gimme

[glacial wind]

Yeah a lot of the times it’s not even designed yet either so you’d need to pay someone to design the plate file with the extra standoffs added

[harsh dove]

Yeah

and ngl lot of these plate makers be upcharging

[stone flax]

Hella

[harsh dove]

$50 for a plate that you can get for $18-25 on Aliexpress

[gusty patio]

Appreciate the heads up. Yea I'm going to need to read up on this one for sure then. That may be a challenge

[glacial wind]

It’s a bit annoying because I wanted to build a venom tkl inside the swagkeys transition case since it had low angle typing, but doing the custom he plate was a pain in the butt

[fluid ravine]

lol reminded me that i have a unused CF plate for the wooting from frijoles

idk what to do with it

[glacial wind]

Getting it printed wasn’t too bad but having to get someone to modify it and make it stable for HE usage is such a pain

[fluid ravine]

it's just in a box rotting

[harsh dove]

Just one unused plate?

[fluid ravine]

oh right and a white pc plate

lol

oh wait, not "unused" but not in use rn

[fluid ravine]

boi flip off

[harsh dove]

Plates on plates

[fluid ravine]

[fluid ravine]

i hope your plates flex you flexer

[harsh dove]

lol

[glacial wind]

I don’t think those are the plates that the ‘more plates more dates’ guy was referring to

[harsh dove]

Hahah

I thought that’s how it worked

More keeb plates, more dates

[fluid ravine]

what cable :0

it's pretty

[harsh dove]

Gentlemen Copper Cable

[fluid ravine]

o

[harsh dove]

From WiredIn

[fluid ravine]

gah fucking damn $129

[harsh dove]

Yeah, works with venom 8K too

Unlike my Nightcrawler and Xray

[fluid ravine]

i shall surely get a wiredin cable one day :>

nothing is impossible with getting expensive stuff for this boi!!!

(referring to how i thought i will never get GMK keycaps back then but proceeded to obtain two in his life)

[harsh dove]

Yeah gotta try GMK at least once , also the sales help when they’re like 50% off

[fluid ravine]

fr

omnitypes da goat as well

[fluid ravine]

oh fr? damn

how we know which one works with venom or not

[harsh dove]

You don’t lol, depends on connector and cabling tbh , he’s working on getting all his stuff updated for these high polling rate keyboards tho

[fluid ravine]

ah

[harsh dove]

3/5 of my WiredIn cables work on Venom, 4/5 work on 80HE and 5/5 work on the 60HE’s I have

[fluid ravine]

ah i see

[harsh dove]

Wasn’t until these 8K polling boards that I started having cable issues

[fluid ravine]

but 1k works perfectly fine then

[stone flax]

Wait

[harsh dove]

Eventually we’ll need 12VHPWR cables for our keyboards

[stone flax]

The company going bankrupt

Lemme find

[harsh dove]

Then people will complain they melted

[fluid ravine]

lmao

[harsh dove]

Yeah

It’s just an issue with 8K

[stone flax]

Cheap flemo lol

[fluid ravine]

mk

[stone flax]

https://tezcables.com/product/s-sereis-straight-painted-aviator-cable/

[harsh dove]

This company is going out?

[stone flax]

ye

[fluid ravine]

oh yeah i saw their cables on amazon before

what happen to dem?

[stone flax]

70% off final sale, probably do credit card or paypal tho

incase chargeback needed

[stone flax]

keeb companies just die

Its very very very hard to profit lol

[fluid ravine]

oof ic

[stone flax]

Sometimes it gets so shitty it costs more to keep stock in storage/warehouse than sell at greater losses

prolly what happened

sandkeys did too

sadge

o7

[harsh dove]

And The Key Co

[stone flax]

Keyco and vala were running so shittily in the months before

[stone flax]

vala just straight scammed so many

Krush run got fucked

[harsh dove]

Still have a lube box from them

Keep it forever

[stone flax]

I bought a jtk set from tkc

[fluid ravine]

you're in your closet with your phone arent you

[tidal frigate]

Is it usa thing that debit card dosent have chargeback?

[harsh dove]

Maybe

[fluid ravine]

yes you flipping are

im in your switch containers

just wiping them down

kek

[harsh dove]

Keep em clean for me

[fluid ravine]

will do boss

[calm pulsar]

wts $300

[stone flax]

cheaper than getting from geon with tariffs

[polar girder]

Imagine using 1k peripherals in 2025

Couldn’t be me

[fluid ravine]

lol

got me myself 8k keeb and 4k mouse

[gusty patio]

ouch yeah i dont know if i am up for that. sounds like a pain

[harsh dove]

Enjoying my life with 1k Keyboard and 2k Mouse

Yall getting hit by that marketing frfr

[fluid ravine]

unintentionally for me

lol

dont care abt 8k on my board

im in for the layout and gummy mount

[harsh dove]

Yeah that's the only reason I got venom was for layout and db, I don't care about performance like that

[fluid ravine]

yeah same

[gusty patio]

i like the socd stuff but that 8k i dont care for

[harsh dove]

I'm already good at games, don't need a keyboard or mouse to help me

[fluid ravine]

lmao

[stray tiger]

What I used to do before Hype was try my best to find the plate file for the keyboard and then overlay the Wooting plate file for the standoff locations. If the plate file didn't exist I'd have to draw it and that sucks. After all that I'd 3D print the plate to test fit before sending it off to someone like send cut send. $50 back then would have been a bargain

[harsh dove]

Yeah nah, that's actual dedication lol

[stray tiger]

Luckily someone like Hype will combine the plate files for you and verify alignment.

[harsh dove]

Yeah Hype is good peeps

[stray tiger]

Which if funny when people say $30 for a custom plate is expensive when the guy in AliExpress only needed to copy the work someone else did. Ask the AliExpress seller to make you a HE plate for a board with no plate file or that needs adjustments to the stock plate like flex cut changes and that seller will tell you to fuck off real quick

[harsh dove]

Right yeah, you can't work with AliExpress sellers like that, they basically have what they have and that's it, with Tom (Hype Keyboards) you can join the discord or email em and get exactly what you need and he makes quality cuts

[polar girder]

Just feels better

Story game users can’t relate

[harsh dove]

Hey watch your mouth

I need 32k Polling for my story games so I can hit them corner peeks and flics, 360 no scope wall bangs, etc

Realistically, if someone can show me a Pro Esports player doing better with an 8k Keyboard and Mouse vs using a 1k Keyboard and Mouse, I'll believe it

Until then, it's all marketing and placebo to me

[stray tiger]

I have both an 8k keyboard and mouse and only use my mouse in 2k mode and my keyboard in 1k mode when using my custom cables

[harsh dove]

Yeah same

I just needed a new mouse tho, didn't care about 8k

[tawdry tree]

I’m kinda guessing it’s removable. Don’t see many liking that as an RGB bar replacement lol

[harsh dove]

haha right yeah

Are those the only colors they offer too?

Seems like a feminine case tbh

[tawdry tree]

yeah

[harsh dove]

Interesting, yeah seems feminine to me

[tawdry tree]

I like it 🥰

[harsh dove]

I don't mean it in a bad way

[tawdry tree]

cream is nice

[harsh dove]

just leans more on the feminine side to me

[tawdry tree]

yeah

it’s annoying so little info is available on it

[harsh dove]

Yeah

I was tryna find more

[tawdry tree]

if the badge is removable, I like it over the gt-80 ngl

[harsh dove]

Yeah I like it too, has nice curves, just how I like my women, wish the usb port was centered tho

[tawdry tree]

why do u prefer centered usb?

for aesthetics?

[harsh dove]

Can put my GMK Olivia on this one

[harsh dove]

Yeah and doesn't have to stretch as far

I also feel like DB removes the possibility for ping from usb port

[stray tiger]

@harsh dove broke down and ordered a 4k 27" 240hz last night during a flash sale. I'll lyk how I like it

[harsh dove]

but has a db anyway with left side usb

with 80he

so not relevant in this case

[harsh dove]

OLED right?

or no

[tawdry tree]

interesting, you mean ping because of physical movement like with the salv for example?

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[tawdry tree]

oh yeah definitely

[stray tiger]

Yeah OLED

[tawdry tree]

completely eliminated with a db

[harsh dove]

cause the port is no longer attached to PCB with db so you remove that issue

yeah

[harsh dove]

Oh dope, yeah let me know

I wanna upgrade to 4k 240HZ OLED but they don't got an Ultrawide I want with that yet

You are a rare breed

If you like them unlubed, rock em like that

Nothing wrong with that

[glad badger]

ii have to hold down my backspace for it to register is that an issue i can fix

[harsh dove]

Lube like 3 switches and put em in your ASD keys and test em out

[glad badger]

and i have to apply so much pressure

[harsh dove]

then compare them to unlubed ASD keys

[stray tiger]

Will do. Concerned about being able to maintain 240hz in some of the FPS games with my setup at 4k. Might have to drop to 1080p or do some dlss

[harsh dove]

That seems odd, you don't have any like Mod Tap stuff or anything on that key?

in terms of software

[glad badger]

sstraihg tout of the box

[harsh dove]

Yeah I doubt you'll be hitting 240 in most games at 4k lol unless you lower graphics or run Super Sonic Multi Frame Gen lol

[glad badger]

this is my first wooting,

[harsh dove]

Oh weird, try unplugging the board and plugging it back in and don't touch any keys for the first 10 seconds or so

[glad badger]

this worked thanks!

[harsh dove]

Awesome, glad it worked

[fringe quarry]

does gmk restock simple wob sets?

[little glen]

think so

[fringe quarry]

kinda interested in the mtnu version but no international available...

[little glen]

https://www.gmk.net/shop/gmk-cyl-wob-white-on-black/fptk5007

ah mntu let me see

[fringe quarry]

thats cyl

https://oblotzky.industries/products/gmk-mtnu-wob?variant=44462774550796

only base

[little glen]

yeah i sent before i saw the other message

[fringe quarry]

ah

seems like they do restocks on these sets atleast

cant wait to spend 200€ on keycaps

[calm pulsar]

wob restock!!!

holyy

[fringe quarry]

no international tho...

[torn rapids]

how are the owlab ti switches rgb-wise?

[stone flax]

they have diffuser

[slate blade]

Sad, I have found a stabilizer I want but it's out of stock. It's the Knight V3 long pole in transparent housing, my right shift gets lopsided if I don't press it in the center

[harsh dove]

https://deltakeyco.com/products/geon-stem-spacer

https://geon.works/products/geon-stem-spacer

https://www.aliexpress.com/i/3256808098907223.html

https://cafege.com.au/products/geonworks-stem-spacer

[slate blade]

Whoa!

I will use those for now until the stabilizers goes back in stock

Thank you

[harsh dove]

No problem

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-worldwide-pitbull-gif-12198764

[harsh dove]

[slate blade]

Shipping is so expensive 😭

[harsh dove]

Try Aliexpress then

[tawdry tree]

buy more, so shipping isn’t as expensive anymore in comparison 🥰

[harsh dove]

Aliexpress has them at like 4x the price but free shipping

@stray tiger You in Georgia rn?

Nice car btw

[thorn zealot]

u dont need long poles if ur getting spacers

[stray tiger]

Not me lol. We driving back from Vegas

[harsh dove]

Ah okay nice, just checking

Drive safe

[uneven cradle]

That's one long straight road 🚗

[cyan lark]

https://tenor.com/view/bat-country-fear-gif-12913303

[tidal frigate]

How much keyboards did you gambled out

[fringe quarry]

why keyboards lowkey cool...

i dont wanna spend money

[stray tiger]

Vegas desert not the prettiest drive for sure

[fringe quarry]

someone should sell like a test pack with all the popular he switches

[stone flax]

they do

[sweet oak]

Ill throw in one of my patented mm switches

[glacial wind]

Man, someone selling the camera I want and lens for $1k less than retail. That’s so tempting

[uneven cradle]

Whats the combo

[glacial wind]

Zve1 and 16-25 lens

But if I buy I’d have to hope the English hack works because all Sony cameras here are region locked language

it’s why I’ve been waiting to buy the setup until I went on vacation later this year in Singapore lol

[uneven cradle]

That is pretty cringe

[glacial wind]

Need a 24-70 lens too I think, but 16-25 covers my light vlog needs

[uneven cradle]

Does sound like a versatile combo

[glacial wind]

It’s definitely some rich mom in gangnam selling it too lol

Meet up location says rich part of gangnam and their past sales history is $40k womens watch

[uneven cradle]

Damn, some people live different lives

I think the family my friend is marrying into is pretty well off too

Well they're both into golf

[stray tiger]

I spent a few years doing landscape photography and even managed to sell a few prints but then gave up on it.

[glacial wind]

Yeah golf is a good sign of doing well if they’re spending time at those private clubs

[uneven cradle]

Oo got any you can share

[stray tiger]

These are the two I sold - https://photos.app.goo.gl/4dR2yMHRJTxfeib69 and https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZFqG2mGmP9vq36Jf8

[glacial wind]

Popfather be that guy who always pops up in my YouTube feed hiking in some random place for the photo

[stray tiger]

I've got a few photo albums still public I think

[uneven cradle]

Those are dope

[glacial wind]

I need to practice more photography stuff, those shots look so nice. I need to get better at composition and framing, will help my other YouTube content too

[stray tiger]

Oh and this one also - https://photos.app.goo.gl/7pmSt3Uefbwe5R6C6

@uneven cradle I'll DM you some links to albums

[uneven cradle]

Damn I love the contrast on this one, with the lightning and everything

[glacial wind]

Yeah the blue and orange is nice. Got that perfect opposite color wheel contrast

[uneven cradle]

I was trying to get into more landscape and wildlife photography myself. Wildlife isn't one of those things you can easily shoot on your phone though!

Need to buy some proper gear for that

[stray tiger]

I started doing volleyball shots of my daughter to help with her college scholarship opportunities and then got into landscape. Landscape much easier than action shots

[uneven cradle]

I live in an area which is "pest free" so we get a lot of native birds and creatures hanging around

[stray tiger]

Oh I was going to share some NZ pics with you. 1 sec

[uneven cradle]

We had this guy visit last night

[glacial wind]

No hobbit doors, might not be actual New Zealand

[stray tiger]

That better @glacial wind

[chilly mural]

Nice pic, but I can't stop thinking about 'I wonder if this is AI generated' on the first pic.

[stray tiger]

Which one?

[glacial wind]

Much better. That’s definitely the New Zealand we know

[chilly mural]

First one of the 4, with the man smiling with a fish

[stray tiger]

Better?

[uneven cradle]

Hey you went to Hobbiton

[chilly mural]

Mmm, the third one looks scary on the eyes.

the other 2 is fine

[uneven cradle]

Some good fish, how was the fishing compared to home?

[stray tiger]

New Zealand looks like you think it does

[chilly mural]

soo peaceful

[stray tiger]

Amazingly. We can't wait to go back

[uneven cradle]

Awesome, lots of places to explore. I've barely done so myself