🔧│keyboard_modding

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[calm pulsar]

also I guess owlab springs arent lubed yet

[harsh dove]

Well neither are my Rawhuks Springs

I inserted them dry

[calm pulsar]

yeah but they are pingless right?

[harsh dove]

Yeah

tbf tho the Owlabs springs seem nice

[calm pulsar]

well seems super close anyways, these switches are nice

[harsh dove]

Yeah it is super close

which is what I figured tbh

Basically if you want the frankenswitch me and Tuan made, just get these lol, unless you want the nixie colors

[sacred elm]

If wobble is the same then coffee switches might be n1 non boxstem pick

[harsh dove]

yeah or get duhuks if you don't mind the top out

Similarly priced too so

can't go wrong either way

[calm pulsar]

wtff I tried to search for these switches on AE and found the owlabs case for almost 900 bucks☠️ ☠️ ☠️

[harsh dove]

Lol I saw that too

Rn Swagkeys and Unikeys sell them

haven't seen them on Ali

Factory Lube seems good too

40g and 50g options

I got the 50 ofc

[sacred elm]

Personally I wouldnt go for duhuks ever, because of bounce while using low rt/actuation, would be unusable in osu for example. But thats just me, maybe others dont care about that

[chilly mural]

Owlab is a little bit lower pitch.

maybe by like 2-3 semitone

[harsh dove]

Didn't we find out that was just Josh's issue or did something else pop up?

Cause when I tested, they didn't bounce on that website

And he also said something about it having to do with the Venom beta firmware and it was fine on the stable firmware

iirc

[harsh dove]

Yeah it's kinda hard to tell, they're very close

Thought the Glass infused bottom on Rawhuks would stand out more but I guess not

[chilly mural]

It's soo close I think it's like 1-2 instead.

But then the style/profile of the sound is similar so unless you really like one specific tone, the Owlab could be a nice recommendation.

[harsh dove]

Yeah I'll definitely be recommending them as an option for people

Basically just RAW HE v2s

Fully Closed Bottom, Tighter Tolerances

Good Factory Lube, Good Springs, Well Priced

[sacred elm]

😎

[harsh dove]

Spec Sheet for those who missed it or whatever

[sacred elm]

thock

[harsh dove]

They got thock on there so you know they gonna sell

[calm pulsar]

most important: tcokh

[harsh dove]

yeah tcokh is better than thock imo

[sacred elm]

tcock is crazy

[chilly mural]

is it compatible with geon's pingless spring?

[harsh dove]

Yessir

[chilly mural]

noice

[harsh dove]

but like I said, the springs on these seem pretty good

[chilly mural]

so it really IS an upgrade

[sacred elm]

ban arc

[harsh dove]

thats all I saw too

https://tenor.com/view/taylor-bartley-sad-corner-hungover-dunce-gif-11450326191093783590

[sacred elm]

cam where did you buy those coffee switches in us

[harsh dove]

I got mine on Swagkeys and split the shipping with Tirade

Unikeys has cheaper shipping but they also charge like 0.30x10 more for the switches

[sacred elm]

Maybe ill try them if divinikey sells them

or ali

[harsh dove]

yeah on Uni they are 4.80, on Swagkeys they are 4.50

[sacred elm]

price is pretty good

[calm pulsar]

Ti HE better

[chilly mural]

Tee Hee

Owlab Tee Hee

[prime orbit]

We got nvidia switches now

[polar girder]

Finally got those damn POM’s lubed

Gotta lube the stand stabs

Not sure if I want split backspace or not NGL

[fluid ravine]

beige/cream on silba

[harsh dove]

no

The green is fine, but the cream caps is not hittin

[fluid ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lqE2BiAWg8

[harsh dove]

That's some echoey clack right there

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-hello-127hours-can-anyone-here-me-stuck-gif-9845404

[thorn zealot]

thats what ima try to do

mx on leggera

[harsh dove]

Make yours less echoey please

thanks

[thorn zealot]

il try my best

[harsh dove]

I believe in you

[thorn zealot]

il prob have to do polyfill then

[harsh dove]

Yeah maybe, idk maybe it's his mic but that build sounds super echoey and hollow to me

[thorn zealot]

i mean mine kinda sounds like that

leggera has reverb

but the good kind

[harsh dove]

Tuans sounded good to me with the reverb it had

but that video is way too much imo

sounds like he's in an echo chamber

[thorn zealot]

i mean it looks like hes using a cheap shitty mousepad cut in half

and not a keebmat

[glacial wind]

I think that’s old keebmat style before they started doing felt pads

[harsh dove]

Yeah looks like a standard 60% mat

[harsh dove]

In fairness I think that video/build sounds good, just too much echo for me

but the "base" sound seems good

[thorn zealot]

yeah too me its not too bad

but that also might be cuz theres hollow knight music in the background

on my pc

i just realized i need to buy another set of knight v3s for my mx build

fuck me

[uneven cradle]

This acrylic keyboard be loud, although I don't have any foam in it so that's probably why

[sweet oak]

Make it creamy

[kind helm]

made it scary

[sweet oak]

Oh my, its the Cream™️ Man, who makes your keyboard Cream™️y

[ruby elk]

I'm the cream man, I make the cream

[thorn zealot]

can u cream on my kb

[kind helm]

top out sound better on ti he i think but i just woke up

[harsh dove]

They basically sound the same to me tbh

Arc thought the Rawhuks sounded slightly cleaner

[fluid ravine]

👀

[fluid ravine]

yeah i think it's the mic setup or room enviroment

[ruby elk]

I need more frog from you mr. The frogson

[kind helm]

ti he is 40 dolla after shipping for 70, raw i think is somewhere between 40 to 50 for me after shipping. but its fine

rawhuk looks better

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[fluid ravine]

what would you like

[uneven cradle]

The rawhuks do sound pretty clean but damn pulling apart 160 switches isnt something I want to do again

[ruby elk]

Random frog memes

[fluid ravine]

[sweet oak]

That raw bottom housing or duhuk housing

[harsh dove]

lmao fr

luckily they have good lube so you can just take em apart and swap with no issues imo

[harsh dove]

Duhuk bottom, raw stem and top with geon pingless

[uneven cradle]

Yeah thank God that would have taken even longer

[fluid ravine]

Yeah the main piece you need with these fraken combo is duhuk bottom and raw stem

[kind helm]

much longer

[fluid ravine]

you can choose either top housing and wtv springs

[tidal frigate]

Just borrow your younger cousins and Pay them in pizza

[uneven cradle]

I just swapped the bottom and kept everything else the same on the raw hes they look pretty clean

[harsh dove]

Yeah that's basically all you gotta do tbh just swap the bottoms of the RAWs

[stray tiger]

https://youtu.be/Kk_9AVk2FYc?si=F1CpZ_6wcupJ1kSQ

[harsh dove]

Thank you for not making a 40 min video Jerrorr

cough Mikey cough

What are these prices lmao

Can get Owlabs TI HE for 3x cheaper

[kind helm]

[harsh dove]

or 4.50 on Swagkeys

[glacial wind]

No fancy edited owlabs switch falling into the slot, dbokey still the king for best owlabs review so far

[sacred elm]

I love coffee

switches

[kind helm]

👀 how much was shipping

[harsh dove]

It'd be one thing if like the Gateron switches sounded completely different or felt drastically better but they basically the same thing for 2-3x the price lol

[thorn zealot]

do he lube the ttc switches

to me they sound the worse of all the ones there

[sacred elm]

no, ttc switches were dry

[harsh dove]

idk if he lubed em tbh

[kind helm]

"sound different or felt drastically better" are you talking about pom?

i dont think he did base on the way he describes them

[harsh dove]

Right that's like the only exception but even those ridiculously priced for the lube job they come with

If you gonna make people pay almost $100 for switches at least lube em right

[stray tiger]

Yeah he said he didn't lube them and they were the driest of all of them. Specifically the rails

[harsh dove]

Ah okay yeah I'm only half way thru the vid

[thorn zealot]

got it

omg guys!!!!

[calm pulsar]

HE springs aint that small in diameter

[thorn zealot]

shh

[harsh dove]

"Safe balance between clacks and thocks" lol

I like that

Interesting, he said he felt like Owlabs TI HE had the best bottom out wobble for non box stem out of all of them

closely followed by Jade Pros

which is exactly how I felt about them too and Duhuks

Why do box stems come with bad lube lol

is this like a trend

he frankenswitch em too

lolol

[uneven cradle]

Aesthetically non box stems look better so therefore they are better

[harsh dove]

[glacial wind]

That’s stem girth shaming and I won’t stand for it

[harsh dove]

No Stem Girth Shaming Allowed

Damn Jerrorr I might have to try Jade Rubies

[glacial wind]

He say they’re better or something?

[harsh dove]

he said they minimal in difference to Jade Pros tho

[harsh dove]

not really , just that he prefers them over Jade Pros slightly

[glacial wind]

yeah they shouldn’t be any better tolerance wise at least, since the specs for flux are the same

[harsh dove]

said they have a slight sound difference to him

[harsh dove]

yeah that's all the same

Basically commended them for their sound and lube

The Rubies do seem kinda thocky ngl

[sacred elm]

arent they just jade pros with better factory lube and more expensive than poms

lol

Lateron shameless

[harsh dove]

Nah cheaper than POMs but yeah they have better lube

[thorn zealot]

someone say thocky?!?!

[harsh dove]

and they sound slightly different than Jade Pros according to Jerrorr

[thorn zealot]

where

how

[sacred elm]

Now yeah, because theres a sale. They cost 108$ for 90pc

which is a bit shameless

[harsh dove]

Yeah they still expensive

at least they have good lube tho

cough TTC

[sacred elm]

ttc on top

[harsh dove]

I'm hating on TTC until they change their lube lol

listnening back to the Jade Ruby and Jade Pro sound test tho, they seem basically the same

[kind helm]

#SoundTestsRLies

[sacred elm]

I heard theyre more expensive because gateron ceo hand lubed them

[harsh dove]

I believe it

He shows the lube in the video and they do seem to have the most

[kind helm]

i thought the ruby one is supposed to relate to chinese new year or something no?

[harsh dove]

Idk

It's year of the snake so I don't see how ruby aligns with that

[kind helm]

red is like holiday color for chinese new year

[harsh dove]

I mean yeah

but year of the snake been green themed

[harsh dove]

Nothing to do with snakes

lame

[kind helm]

more expensive than pom

hell nah

HELL NAH

[harsh dove]

cause they have better lube

duh

[kind helm]

i hope someone in the comment tells that gentleman to handlube his pom

[harsh dove]

btw why would you buy from there?

duh

[kind helm]

mb bro i was just looking up info

[harsh dove]

lol im trolling

for 90

[kind helm]

unc mj hacked mr cam's acc

[harsh dove]

yeah bro duhuk venom betterestest estest

[polar girder]

Yeah only buy TTC POM if you don’t have to overcompensate for something

[glacial wind]

the lower amount of lube is ttc giving you an opportunity to pick some great kdramas to watch

good guy ttc

[polar girder]

lol I was just watching pro CS

worked out

[sacred elm]

kdramas are top tier

[harsh dove]

Not a kdrama but started watching Jujustu Kaisen recently

On like Ep 7 or 8

[glacial wind]

don't worry i can help you make the jump. Start with chinese drama "The King's Avatar" - about a professional gamer abandoned by his team who rises from the ashes to make his comeback. This will be a nice gateway to korean dramas

[sacred elm]

yea im not watching that

[kind helm]

i watched the anime version of that a little bit

[glacial wind]

don't be jealous just because faker looks like a supermodel and dresses in trendy clothes

[tropic urchin]

h8er

[calm pulsar]

looks anime to me already

[glacial wind]

it's actually the most entertaining adaptation of pro gaming to drama i think, out of all the 100 chinese dramas about it

[glacial wind]

it's based on a really popular chinese webnovel

so has both anime and live action

[kind helm]

yea i just checked, didnt even realize they finished writing the novel already

me love my chinese webnovels hehe

damn i did not even know the novel is based on dungeon and fighter

[sweet oak]

And eats broccoli

[polar girder]

Man I’m really torn if I want split backspace or not

Also why does this venom 7u plate have room for larger right shift stabs

But PCB doesn’t

Kind of unnecessary, no?

Kind of wish I could do that for ultimate symmetry

Then I would full commit split backspace

I guess I’ll just lube up the stab for backspace and play around and see what happens

[harsh dove]

Idk tbh mine are like that too

[polar girder]

Yeah I wish PCB Had the extra holes like it does for split backspace

[unreal wigeon]

GT80 feedback? Anyone who has it for the 80HE, Planning to order one, anything to keep in mind before ordering?

[polar girder]

Bummer

[harsh dove]

Yeah wouldve been nice

[polar girder]

Guess just another reason to buy another PCB later down the road

[harsh dove]

The Ultimate HE PCB that has the option for every layout possible

With South Facing LEDs

even tho I don't care about RGB

[kind helm]

not just the hole there, but also a sensor i think

[harsh dove]

Shoutout to Wooting Lube Kit, had this for I think over a year now and done plenty of boards with em and still have plenty of lube left

[kind helm]

the middle part there between the two holes has a little thingy there

[harsh dove]

Yeah that’s a sensor for the magnet

Little square

[polar girder]

ya

you know what i meant lol

[gaunt plume]

Clone Clone Clone😑

[harsh dove]

Wow

Is that red one plastic?

[thorn zealot]

At least clone a good case

[sacred elm]

lmao real

[harsh dove]

type shi

[sacred elm]

its some weird trend copying this case

i dont understand

[thorn zealot]

Shit case

[sacred elm]

the case is so bad, lets be real

[thorn zealot]

Sounds like shit

Looks like shit

[sacred elm]

and kbdfans is releasing it for 80he😭

[thorn zealot]

It’s all shit

[gaunt plume]

Yes. Its $8.

[uneven cradle]

Definitely the most edible HE switches to date

[thorn zealot]

Mmm

Btw how are they

Prob mid

[harsh dove]

At least its a good price lol

[steel ibex]

ngl reminds me of like a orange cream ice c ream or sum

[uneven cradle]

Yeah the downsides of the semi open bottom of the raw hes and the weird top out of the duhuks

I did spring swap them though they're not bad

[sweet oak]

Definitely orange sherbet flavor

[thorn zealot]

I wouldn’t even get it for free

[harsh dove]

If I got one for free I'd probably give it away

[thorn zealot]

I would try to break it in any way I can think of

[sweet oak]

@tulip rapids first 12th batch cap pokemon revealed 👀

[lapis raven]

fuck yeha

that shipped quickly !

[kind helm]

fancy ceramic keycaps

[fluid ravine]

got my oversize bumpons to fit in the leggera. they fit right in :)

[polar girder]

Wait wtf even Geon plate has it

Tf

[glacial wind]

Do we know the spring length of the owlabs switches?

i'm guessing 15mm from the photos

[harsh dove]

Yeah thats what I was saying lol

[harsh dove]

yes 15

they seem pretty good tbh

[glacial wind]

alright cool, just updated the switch database

[uneven cradle]

I have sent my request to my local store to stock them

[harsh dove]

real

[polar girder]

Damn my space bar is cooked

[harsh dove]

wait wtf

[polar girder]

Yeah that scraped part is fucked

First time I’ve looked at it

[sweet oak]

That thing got shanked

[harsh dove]

Pretty sure you can get a replacement

[glacial wind]

ttc have camo switches coming apparently lol

[polar girder]

Is that a GMK thing or a vendor thing?

[uneven cradle]

Would go through vendor

[glacial wind]

i wonder if it's just recolored poms

[kind helm]

csgo switch?

[sweet oak]

Ah yes camo switches for my loud clack needs

Enemy’s will never see me, but they will hear and fear me

[harsh dove]

Yeah Imoshi or Jabberwock posted these lol

Id assume they just recolors

[sacred elm]

ajazz💀

[polar girder]

Fuck is this shit

Ignore the GMK dust

White scrapeable little holes on everything

[uneven cradle]

That's normal injection hole

[harsh dove]

someone chewed on your spacebar

[polar girder]

Why are these things so dirty

Straight covered in this shit

You guys like this?

[harsh dove]

Nah but my GMK Evil Dolch was

[uneven cradle]

Yeah idk what happened to the packaging at gmk but my evil dolch also has the same

[polar girder]

I’ve got to dust every single keycap

[harsh dove]

Yeah thats how Dolch was lol

[polar girder]

My pants are fucked

This is wild

Yeah I don’t get this GMK hype so far

But whatever. We continue.

I’ll just ignore the scuffs on every keycap lol

[uneven cradle]

Tbh I never had that until evil dolch

The hype is the colours, options and sound profile packaging has always been mid just even more so now

[tulip rapids]

[harsh dove]

Yeah pretty much what Hopper said

[uneven cradle]

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=124684.0

Actual orange GMK set

[sweet oak]

Sander would approve

[fluid ravine]

nice and bright

[harsh dove]

what was that other set someone showed?

GMK Flare

vs GMK Orenji

[uneven cradle]

Yeah orenji is good orange flare is bad

[fluid ravine]

vibrant orange

[fluid ravine]

neon ahhh

[harsh dove]

I like the black legends on Flare tho

vs the white

[uneven cradle]

I much prefer the white legends over black on 🍊

[fluid ravine]

i think so too

i kinda prefer the white

Idk how to explain it but ig black just make it seem like "deep and dark" idfk

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-my-personal-preference-sung-won-cho-prozd-just-how-i-roll-imho-gif-27429137

[fluid ravine]

I prefer the white on the Orenji cus it just fits well with the lighter tones of the orange

[fluid ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/phoenix-wright-ace-attorney-after-careful-consideration-i-have-come-to-the-conclusion-that-your-opinion-sucks-gif-25893576

[harsh dove]

GMK Orange Juice

[fluid ravine]

yellow is quite interesting

[harsh dove]

I like these cream colored legends over the white

[fluid ravine]

yellow orange

[harsh dove]

or yellow idk

its like very light

[fluid ravine]

it blends in well

[harsh dove]

Orange Julius

[fluid ravine]

i think it is yellow orange

[harsh dove]

yeah

[harsh dove]

pretty much

[fluid ravine]

damn

[rare kraken]

i lokey love orange juice

[fluid ravine]

i forgot about the digital vibrance on my main monitor

it made the colors more vibrant

fak

well you get the idea

[harsh dove]

Basically I'd want the Orange from GMK Orenji and the black legends from Flare

or the yellow-orange legends from Orange Juice

[fluid ravine]

@harsh dove btw, that silent switch i got from cannonkeys that came with my oring, it has that leg stem design like the duhuks or like any of the newer silent switches these days. I just saw it in my drawer and like just press it a few time and i kinda notice that it made that weird sound that the duhuks made when topping out but instead it's on the bottom out.

[polar girder]

Sheeeeeeesh

This thing sounds good af

[uneven cradle]

Mine is so loud, definitely not an office keyboard

CF plate, rawhuks and no foam will do that I guess

[little glen]

What the FUCK is an office keyboard

I want everyone in the building to know that i am writing an email

[fluid ravine]

i wanna try CF plate with benom and duhraws ngl

i wanna see how bright i can take this thing

[little glen]

I‘m not gonna transfer my duhraws over from my 80he so the venom will have to live with raws

[fluid ravine]

fuhhckkkkk-

1 more left

and im out of monis

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

rip

[fluid ravine]

someone's cooking here

[harsh dove]

You guys don’t like to save money

I can tell

[polar girder]

Black Frog Mini
Lubed TTC POM
Black PP Plate
GMK Cosmos
SW Knight v2 Stabs
Kilmat Case
No Plate Foam

[fluid ravine]

[fluid ravine]

sound test sound test!

[harsh dove]

Out of everyone, I’m actually surprised you have POMs tbh

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

[harsh dove]

Nah just cause like Bigs super based in his preferences and dgaf about the hype usually so just kinda surprised he has POMs idk

[polar girder]

I just had to give up my personal preferences for sound

[fluid ravine]

the goat shall be leh goat

[polar girder]

Just needed clean and stable and a sound I can live with

[fluid ravine]

let him cook

[harsh dove]

Yeah fair

[polar girder]

Lubed TTC POM's slap lol

[fluid ravine]

yurrr

[harsh dove]

Yeah they good

[kind helm]

same plate on taobao when i brought it was 10 dolla

[harsh dove]

Aight well I can’t use taobao lol

Ofc I could use forwarding service but probs not worth

[polar girder]

That’s with a microphone quite close

It’s built. I’m done for tonight. Still might try plate foam at some point.

Crazy there's big gaps between my keycaps now lol

and these are legit heaving than my other springs.

Going to take some time to get used to it for sure

But overall I'm happy

... THAT IT'S FINALLY DONE

Need mod tap tho

[harsh dove]

Can tell those are freshly lubed lol

[polar girder]

Just realized I def use right shift lol

[harsh dove]

sounds and looks good tho

[fluid ravine]

honestly for me ever since i got my 22mm springs, although they were def more snappier on the top out, it honestly felt heavier to bottom out compared to our avg 15mm springs

i was a bit weary if i was gonna like em or not

[polar girder]

lol yeah still gotta break it in and probably fiddle a little bit

but i'm chilling for now

[fluid ravine]

but i quickly got use to them

so im guchi now

[polar girder]

bro don't ever spell gucci like that again, please

[fluid ravine]

yup

hehehehehehhe

[polar girder]

x.x

[fluid ravine]

goochi

[polar girder]

oh good

that's something different

[fluid ravine]

LMFOA

[polar girder]

Ok fixed mod tap for R-Shift so that's good

I might still try the shine through Caps Lock but the non double shot looks pretty lame

I do like the artisan on Fn tho

[fluid ravine]

pretty fiya

[polar girder]

a lot of times i'm reaching for Enter blind and that helps lol

[fluid ravine]

ngl

what's the capslock

[polar girder]

artisan

flail

connected to Esc

[fluid ravine]

OHH

wait that's fireee

[polar girder]

little chain that you can twiddle with lol

[fluid ravine]

haha

ngl

ima need that

[polar girder]

but it's kind of too short to twiddle

[fluid ravine]

gotta tie my pinky down when i type or game

frig

[polar girder]

lol

yeah I"m hopiing the big spiky ball part helps prevent me hitting esc during game

[fluid ravine]

loool

[polar girder]

which happens a bit when i spaz cuz 1 is for Rifle lol

but yeah. just glad i actually finally built this thing

pretty pumped

[fluid ravine]

how long did it take you?

[polar girder]

time to sell wooting now lol

[fluid ravine]

for the whole build

[fluid ravine]

Shiiiii Wooting Betrayal pt.2

[polar girder]

well i started taking springs apart yesterday. then lubing stems. then lubed the rest today while watching CS. then like 3 hours fking with stabs and putting stuff together tonight

I feel like lubing didn't take too long but i also kind of was doing other stuff

[fluid ravine]

yo 3 hours just for stabs??

dayum

[polar girder]

no lol

[fluid ravine]

o

[harsh dove]

Ngl I lubed these Knights v3 already and they sound great on the first try lol

Just did a super light coating

[fluid ravine]

type

[polar girder]

to put it together and stuff

[harsh dove]

Shi

[fluid ravine]

heh finna spend moni on knights for no reason now

dont catch me lacking

[harsh dove]

lol

[polar girder]

i'm not proficient so even just force break mod took like a half hour lol

[fluid ravine]

any links to them?

[polar girder]

but yeah. time to pass out. peace out fellas

[fluid ravine]

gn

[harsh dove]

Gn

[fluid ravine]

i need to pass out as well LOL

but nah

sleeping for da weak

[harsh dove]

My power went out

[fluid ravine]

;-;

daym

[harsh dove]

Ye

[fluid ravine]

dont crash into your stuff now

better not step on your cats as well

[harsh dove]

https://divinikey.com/products/swagkeys-knight-stabilizers

[fluid ravine]

watch out for me in your shadows

[fluid ravine]

ohh if i could return my tx ap's

$15 not bad

$22 including shipping

[harsh dove]

Yeah definitely still my fave stabs ever since I got their v1s

Have never let me down

[fluid ravine]

wait have you tried yikb befo?

[sacred elm]

you like em?

[kind helm]

yea pretty much its like buying from geon

with DHL

[tawdry tree]

Oh, interesting. It protrudes as much as on the Duhuks?

[kind helm]

34 dolla?!

[tawdry tree]

The picture lied?! Got my hopes up for nothing

[analog falcon]

gotta say, I ended up going with the yikb x typeplus stabs and they are awesome. I can hit anywhere on the key and it sounds the exact same as the middle. No tuning required for me and they sound great

[polar girder]

Like what

[kind helm]

[harsh dove]

Nah not yet

[harsh dove]

Yeah unfortunately lol

[tawdry tree]

It’s not an issue on Woot’s boards either, Woot has built in bounce protection it seems 😂

[sacred elm]

poms

[harsh dove]

W Woot

The Bounce Protectors

[kind helm]

nah pretty much it was just me being too lazy to take my time to recalibrate

both beta and stable work fine

[harsh dove]

Oh okay lol

Well good to clarify then

[kind helm]

because after you mentioned yours were fine i recalibrate again but took my time that time

and both alphas and spacebar worked then

[harsh dove]

Oh okay nice

[last oar]

2 cases later and im done

asus ap201 looks so good but couldnt fit all the cables 😦

[calm pulsar]

I wonder if this protection existed for wobbly lekker v1s, and now it worked for duhuks top out

[kind helm]

bounce protection aka big fat deadzone that you cant adjust

[calm pulsar]

https://youtu.be/FV-s1kFdnu0

[glacial wind]

that's literally the whole point of the self adjusting deadzone

which was what i was trying to explain before and what simon has talked about before, in that wootings deadzone auto adjusts based on the characteristics of the switch data vs. user set deadzone

different approaches to software - wooting chose system set and chinese/korean branded boards chose user set and which is preferably will vary depending on the user and use case

[glacial wind]

real question is how much does this cost

i wonder if it's higher than $400

[sacred elm]

at least 1 kidney

wooting wont sell owlabs switches right

[glacial wind]

nah

[sacred elm]

would be cool if they sold those switches

with the case

[round sparrow]

That expensive just for a case?

[sacred elm]

yes

[round sparrow]

Kinda dumb

[glacial wind]

it's not meant to be a mass consumer case

owlabs stuff is very niche high end stuff

[round sparrow]

Yeah but it's just a case

[glacial wind]

yeah but people pay extra for premium stuff in hobbies they like

it's like why would anyone buy a porsche when a ford focus does the same job for day to day - owlabs is catoring to the high end folk who want that specific design

[sacred elm]

Day 123

[high lion]

Been thinking about ordering ttc poms,geon raws,duhuks from ali

I got some bonus budget aside for my wooting uwu

Are there owl ti on aliexpress?

[sacred elm]

not yet

[high lion]

Damn

[sacred elm]

are you na

[high lion]

Na

Im in europe

If you mean north america

[glacial wind]

aren't ttc poms in small batch insanely priced?

[sacred elm]

ye

[high lion]

Yeah

[sacred elm]

5pc was 10$ or something

last time i checked

[high lion]

Yeah

[sacred elm]

lul

[high lion]

Unfortunately

[glacial wind]

yeah the price goes up like crazy if you buy small batch

[high lion]

Besides these 3 what else would be interesting to check out?

On ali ofc

[glacial wind]

that mostly covers your bases already

[sacred elm]

I wouldnt order raws, because owlabs switches are raws but improved

[high lion]

It will be kinda a pain to get owlab from different site

But maybe i can try

[sacred elm]

maybe it will be available on ali soon

[high lion]

Hope so

How long ago were they released?

[kind helm]

not really, raw bottom i still think is pretty interesting

but just personal opinion

ti he is fully closed bottom

[high lion]

To be fair they are pretty cheap

[sacred elm]

closed bottom clears

(for me)

also they are tighter

= better switch

[high lion]

6 bucks for 10 pack aint bad rigbt

For geon raws

[kind helm]

expensive i think, but not 100% sure

should be 5 or 4. something iirc

[high lion]

Im gonna look more

[sacred elm]

keep in mind that poms need to be hand lubed, they are dry

if you care about sound

[kind helm]

divinikey raw is 0.5 usd for 1

[high lion]

I still got some krytox lube

From 5 years ago

205g

[sacred elm]

cool

[high lion]

Used it on my cherry mx reds probably before rapid trigger was even a thing

[calm pulsar]

almost $900 on aliexpress listing I found

not sure if this is an adequate price

[kind helm]

https://tenor.com/view/aplausos-clapped-leonardo-dicaprio-clap-slow-clap-gif-12389001

[sacred elm]

75k$ damn...

[kind helm]

personally not even close to worth

[calm pulsar]

surely this bouncey case is worth it

[sacred elm]

hell no

(for me)

[glacial wind]

yeah i assume that's doubled from the chinese sales lol

nice 200% markup

[kind helm]

nah -50% already, definitely a great deal

[tawdry tree]

Completely but Geon said it was so the plate is compatible with future PCBs or something

🤷‍♂️

[tawdry tree]

Could be. It could also be for the KoMs originally but I didn’t test it on older firmware so I’m not sure.

[tawdry tree]

Bounce protection is a bit different, basically not registering the bounce which creates those little corners in Analog Monitor. I think I showed it before.

[round sparrow]

if the owlabs case was for the 80 and not 800 bucks i'd consider it but tbh it doesnt look to unique from the top view

[uneven cradle]

There are options out there that aren't expensive

[round sparrow]

yeah, for the 80 im just waiting for the holy case

[kind helm]

how they detect it without causing delay?

[tawdry tree]

It’s a delay, kind of. It just “releases” the key fully when there is no bounce anymore. So if the Duhuks have one big bounce when released, it’d bounce once (key still activated) then when it’s no longer bouncing, the key would be deactivated.

This is all like milliseconds or less of course.

[kind helm]

i rather put a bigger rt distance then have delay to be honest.

[magic walrus]

A friend of mine has a keyboard with cherry mx linear Speed and has this problem

Anyone knows How to fix it

[languid kestrel]

probably have to clean the gfuel from the switch

or more realistically replace it

[magic walrus]

shit

[languid kestrel]

can try squirting a little alcohol inside the switch and spamming it for a bit, probably not the best fix but is the easiest

[magic walrus]

ye

[magic walrus]

never spilled something on it tho idk

[languid kestrel]

looks like it's sticky though

[magic walrus]

ye

[safe stag]

I got something like this when I accidentally spilled orange juice on my old G910

I fixed that by spraying WD-40 into the switches

[magic walrus]

thx

[ionic breach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESdu3D9R2xs

[glacial wind]

not great that the first chart I see he's comparing different sized keyboards which would have different latencies due to scanning differences in number of keys

which already breaks the entire idea of comparing the technologies

[ionic breach]

tmr and inductive looking promising

suprisingly

wooting's 60he without rgb is the most power efficient

[languid kestrel]

please don't make more switch technologies zzz

we can barely have good HE switches yet

don't want to start over

[ionic breach]

we need a board to decide on a universal analog system

[calm pulsar]

inductive switches kinda look to me that they are potentially already better than HE in terms of sound, cause they are essentially MX-like

not sure about any of the analog features though

[tall hollow]

It's like that one XKCD comic

Competing standards

[languid kestrel]

yeah it's always like that

[glacial wind]

honestly wooting would probably sell 10%+ more keyboards if they just enabled lower rt/actuation settings as a toggle with warning in the software, for people to test the technology without the safety buffer

[languid kestrel]

probably not, normal users don't know to care about that

it's you weirdos on this channel that look at RT tests and stuff

[tall hollow]

They could, but how much would it actually matter?

Other than making pretty numbers

[ionic breach]

depends on the marketing

[little glen]

probably not in the western market but other markets i dont know if people care more

[ionic breach]

marketing makes everything

[glacial wind]

no i mean from a pure marketing perspective, not that it matters but rather that they would end up higher on charts

[calm pulsar]

as a pro gamer I care about 0.0001 actuation

that's what matters

[tall hollow]

Tbh, wooting should make their software their main selling point, it's better than anything else out there.

[languid kestrel]

it's enough that every single reviewer recommends wooting over anything else, and that it's the one keeb pros actually use in tournaments and stuff

[glacial wind]

you guys are not getting the marketing angle and how much it hurts their sales and it's literally free sales they throw away because they don't allow that as a toggle or whatever

[glacial wind]

except they don't is kind of the thing

[languid kestrel]

so how do you market that? just put 0.0000001RT on the frontpage like every chinese clone?

[glacial wind]

nowadays wooting gets a general nod but more and more reviewers don't do everyday testing and just do spec tests

[languid kestrel]

and slap it on the box

[glacial wind]

no you don't even have to market that

because you wouldn't never want to or need to, it would just be a toggle with warning in the menu and it would automatically allow wooting to win more 'useless' spec tests that they currently lose just due to having 0.15 rt for example

[languid kestrel]

like 10 people ever look at the useless spec tests

[glacial wind]

there's a decent chunk of clueless kids who don't look into the specs being worthless and actually believe that wooting is worse because it doesn't do well on the charts anymore

[languid kestrel]

I guess

[glacial wind]

the thing is it's a free 10%+ boost for literally barely any effort

[languid kestrel]

it's probably not even close to that amount, I think you live in a little bit of a bubble with how much you personally care to seek out this information

[glacial wind]

they only without that setting now because they know it's not super useful, but it's still a stat that show up in testing

[languid kestrel]

normal consumers go on youtube, listen to optimum say it's the best keyboard and buy the keyboard

[glacial wind]

no i think you're missing my point...

i'm not saying all consumers care about it

i'm saying 90% probably don't care in the slightest or know about it.

but there's still a 10% that do

and wooting loses that 10% that do by not enabling that setting for almost no work

[languid kestrel]

and I'm saying it's not worth it because it's most likely 99% to 1% instead of 90% to 10%

[calm pulsar]

why use HE then? it's useless couple of miliseconds shaved off

[languid kestrel]

leads to more support tickets, refunds, people coming to spam the dc

[calm pulsar]

MX keyboard will do

[glacial wind]

highly disagree. Techtok has proven to be effective to a degree

marketing of that level works to a degree. It's not mass consumer but i'd be willing to bet it's way more than 1%

[languid kestrel]

I'm willing to be proven wrong

I just don't want wooting to dilute the value proposition by trying to compete in the same race with the chinese clones

[glacial wind]

i mean we've already seen how much wooting has had to combat the fake info of people coming in asking about mad60 etc

[languid kestrel]

because you will lose that race every single time

[glacial wind]

except they're not - that's what you're missing here

i'm not saying enable the setting auto or even market it

hell, hide the setting deep in a menu buried and never even mention it

[tall hollow]

Then what's the point of developing it when those resources used to develop that feature could be used elsewhere that would make a more meaningful impact?

[glacial wind]

all i'm saying is allow the setting to be there so 'testers' can enable it and see how it stacks up technology wise and it would auto boost wooting up in almost all of these charts for literally next to no work for them

[glacial wind]

because it's a low effort development

[tall hollow]

It's still effort

[glacial wind]

is a tiny bit of effort worth 10% more sales?

on a product that sold how many millions of dollars in revenue

[tall hollow]

What trend says that this feature would result in more sales?

[glacial wind]

i'm not even saying market it or make it a super effective amazing new feature. I'm literally saying put a toggle deep in a menu somewhere with a warning saying it's not super usable or stable

[calm pulsar]

if anything, it's probably almost no effort considering the smart adjusting deadzone has to simply be disabled/toggled

[languid kestrel]

perhaps not worth it when it might lead some reviewers or users enabling it and then reporting it's shit and unstable and wooting sucks

[glacial wind]

the trend of tech tokers and chinese reviewers who pass the chart on to the mass kids who read charts

[glacial wind]

so have a giant ass warning label pop up if you want to enable it

[languid kestrel]

like people read

[glacial wind]

make it fill the entire screen in red

there's literally no real argument against doing this realistically

[calm pulsar]

the same can already happen at 0.1 actuation

[glacial wind]

it's a low effort addition and it would boost sales by a lot

[tall hollow]

And what if this feature makes the experience worse? Then what?

[glacial wind]

5-10% sales on millions of dollars on sales is nothing to sneeze at even if you and me think the feature isn't worth using

[tall hollow]

It was effort that didn't show its results.

[glacial wind]

i think you skipped the whole reasoning for why I said they should add it

[tall hollow]

And lost opportunity to make other features better or develop more meaningful features.

[glacial wind]

i'm not saying it's beneficial to you or me or to the user.

[calm pulsar]

yeah like more rgb settings

[glacial wind]

this is a cop out and you know it.

[tall hollow]

So what is the point of adding it other than making a pretty number?

[glacial wind]

there isn't a point beyond a pretty number - the point is that pretty number means winning on more chart tests at almost zero effort and gives you a boost in sales

it's literally win/win

[tall hollow]

The problem is you don't have to win.

[languid kestrel]

only if it doesn't result in more returns/complaints/customer support

[glacial wind]

a company gets 10% more sales for almost no effort?

[calm pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

sno today

[glacial wind]

you're just making up a scenario when i've literally repeatedly stated the feature isn't on by default and that it's buried deep in a testing menu with a warning

aka literally no one except testers would enable it

so these doomsday scenarios of 'users going to break their keyboard and refund etc' is silly

[tall hollow]

Here is the thing, wooting caters to their customers, not reviewers.

Why make a feature that will only be used by a super small portion of their user base?

[glacial wind]

this argument doesn't prove why they shouldn't do this

[glacial wind]

because it's insanely low effort and gets you a good boost in free sales and press?

i'm not sure what is hard to understand here

[languid kestrel]

it's just that you're convinced it's 10%, I'm convinced it's less than 1% and makes the product worse because ignorant users will toggle every beta switch they can find and then complain when it doesn't work

[glacial wind]

i'm convinced anyone that thinks it'd just be a 1% boost in sales doesn't understand basic marketing in this age

[languid kestrel]

therefore I don't agree with your point of view, and without actual facts it's impossible to see who's right

and as such I'll just disagree and move on now

[glacial wind]

techtok does not account for only 1% of wootings sales, even if I hate it

[tall hollow]

So it's better to have them advertise an inflated number that isn't realistic in actual use? Which is very deceitful towards customers?

[glacial wind]

we're at the point now where this point is only disproved if you assume "Oh the user went deep into a menu labled testing mode only, then clicked enable sub 0.1 rt, then click yes I know this is just meant for testing and isn't usable for normal usage and then compalins and refunds the keyboard" - this is not a realistic scenario

[glacial wind]

there's no deceit, it's literally to allow people to test what the technology can do with the safety handles off

like if you look at the video above

the data wooting gets in the comparison of technology vs some of the other boards gets skewed because they're testing with less deadzone or lower starting actuations/rt

[calm pulsar]

why did they advertise lower latency on 80he then? they had a whole setup to demonstrate how low the latency is

[glacial wind]

so 1:1 wooting loses in the chart not because anyone is being deceitful but because that particular board does manual control of deadzone/rt minimum and wooting only allows auto min to be set at what is purely usable

which is totally fine for usage, but then when it comes to testing response or similar makes it hard to have an actual level playing field in tests

you could literally even call the feature test mode

[tall hollow]

True

[glacial wind]

does this look like an equal and fair test for example:

or this

[tall hollow]

I'd say so, they are testing the products out of the box. they are testing what the manufacturer presented them. Assuming testing environments and methodology is held constant I don't really see anything wrong.

[little glen]

why tf is razer's distance off in the wrong direction

[glacial wind]

so wooting is worse rapid trigger than razer then is the conclusion of the test

and that is literally the lesson people who don't care about understanding charts and specs will take away

they don't know or care that starting points are different and that this isn't actually how the boards might work if set to same settings

[tall hollow]

If that is what the data says, then so be it, you can't get around the proof.

[glacial wind]

except it's not

because you didn't check the data to understand how starting point affects the chart

which is my entire point - a simple setting menu will allow wooting to be equal in the test

and if you think every tester reviewer coming up with charts saying 'wooting doesn't beat a razer v3 pro' isn't having more than a 1% impact on sales then i'm not sure what era we live in

[tall hollow]

To me it is equal, wooting decided to present their keyboard that way, other manufacturers may present their keyboards in other ways, but what is held constant is that this is the out of box experience for all keyboards tested. So it is fair.

[little glen]

i mean looking at what reviewers said about the rtx 50 series and how it's sold out everywhere regardless, i dont think reviews matter that much

[glacial wind]

yeah but you're not the target demographic is my entire point

[glacial wind]

influencer marketing is insanely successful nowadays, it's why every company, wooting included will send a low view reviewer a free keyboard

[little glen]

i should start a youtube channel to get free wooting keyboards

playing the long game

[glacial wind]

that's literally what like 50% or more of the tech review channels are

[calm pulsar]

where my free board at

[glacial wind]

they're guys who realize if you can get 1-5k views then every company will send you a free sample because it's free sales

end of the day i think there's a miscommunication in the marketing that could be easily fixed if wooting had that feature toggle to enable the sub 0.1rt/actuation with a warning popup that it's for testing purposes only

marketing goes from needing to educate new customers/consumers that "No actually wooting doesn't lose to the razer huntsman, you see that test actually doesn't account for x stability etc etc etc" vs. "oh so wooting is actually just as good or better, but it disabled the range that's ineffective for most users to make the board more stable"

re-education vs. starting off with the right education already

[chilly mural]

Man, another discussion about lower than 0.15 rt

[glacial wind]

actually i think they mostly misread the discussion because i don't think sub 0.1 rt is useful at all

so they came in explaining why it's worthless etc, which i agree - it's worthless and not useful to most people which is why simon doesn't have it high on priority or worry much about it. The marketing optics however is a different reason for why I think it actually should be added, not the usefulness or value proposition

[chilly mural]

I feel like they should just add the option even though it might be useless. Wooting gives you a lot of alley in customization so having custom rt should be one of them too.

[calm pulsar]

this is pretty much what sno was trying to explain this whole time

[chilly mural]

Closest to that is manu that gives their own pcb, but almost none of them offer the customer support the level of wooting. Custom rt and custom focus mode is lit what's left to add i think.

[glacial wind]

focus mode i'm not fully convinced of yet as it only gave venom a ton of issues and bugs for basically no gain

[chilly mural]

16k polling for 80he

*only for w a s d

[glacial wind]

has venom actually added focus mode to stable?

last I saw when I was messing around with venom other month was it was still beta and caused some bugs

[uneven cradle]

Still beta I believe

[glacial wind]

honestly i think they should scrap it or leave it beta. It seems to cause more headaches that constantly causes random scan bugs for what everyone can agree is a pointless 0.04ms gain or whatever it is

[fluid ravine]

Both my vids got 6k or so and 1.7k

Ass sound test ngl for the 6k one

[glacial wind]

you unironically are now meeting average viewcounts of your standard tech youtuber now

[calm pulsar]

the techson

[tropic urchin]

Thocksontypes 🤓

[calm pulsar]

ThockyoTech

[tropic urchin]

Clickbaiting titles and thumbnails is so last decade

We gotta start clickbaiting the channel name

[glacial wind]

"Wooting90HE Leak Announced" is his new channel name

[tropic urchin]

Calder browsing YouTube “wait he knows?”

[glacial wind]

unironically there's people making good money off absurd ai leak channels

the amount of AI slop 'leak' videos of upcoming tech is crazy. Just an ai voice reading fake rumors as facts and they get 1-10k views on the video

[calm pulsar]

time to learn how to setup a retro console stream to pc

[glacial wind]

oo you bought one of the converters

[calm pulsar]

this is funny, sometimes YT algorithm recommends me old videos about XBOX720 leaks and stuff from like 10 years ago

[glacial wind]

i've been waiting for sonys new fx3 update to happen and i get so many ai fake update videos every day

[calm pulsar]

yeah im gonna convert analog rgb scart to hdmi and hopefully get a good 1440p picture on my monitor

[glacial wind]

that is my dream. That and an n64 + zelda ocarina of time and majora's mask are in my retirement plans

[tiny elk]

Is it normal for the visual feedback to be shwoing as .25 after switching to the pc plate?

[glacial wind]

replug the keyboard and don't touch any keys for 10 seconds

[calm pulsar]

yeah this thing should work with all retro consoles, someone def used it on an n64 in one of the reviews I watched

[tiny elk]

ah thats fixed it thanks.. how does that work? lol

[glacial wind]

basically your board just had it's calibration messed up and needed to be reset

[calm pulsar]

the keyboard had to recalibrate a bit after changing the plate/switches

[tiny elk]

righhtt got it, thanks guys :)

[glacial wind]

happens if you change things while it's on or if you press a key when it's starting up etc

[tiny elk]

was bothering me lol

[indigo river]

Now my Bone80 has been shipped

Time to be disappointed

[harsh dove]

Yep, UGC is big

Especially if you’re a male

There’s already tons of female UGC creators

[glacial wind]

yep, the entire ecosystem of tiktok basically functions off it since sponsored products/ads there are the only way they make money off short form content lol

[harsh dove]

Yeah I like Devin Nashes video he did on it

Said that’d be his #1 way to make money and break into content creation

Cause you don’t have to be big to start doing it

[glacial wind]

yeah it's basically free money as long as you can look presentable on video

[harsh dove]

Yeah just be half decent looking

[glacial wind]

the tech tok grind is also interesting

where they just do basic showcase of product, get maybe 10k-20k views on tiktok/shorts, then sell the product afterwards

seen a lot of young kids in lower income countries run that grind as their tiktok job

[calm pulsar]

I know for a fact everyone on keyboard modding channel is very handsome

[harsh dove]

Haha right

[silk hound]

This sounds familiar

[harsh dove]

Everyone beautiful in their own way

[glacial wind]

lol we both know who

[silk hound]

Yep yep not gonna say any name lol

[harsh dove]

Name shall not be spoketh

[glacial wind]

yeah no names. anyhow on my main point it was mainly that adding sub 0.1 type rt/actuation settings in a test menu would be basically free win/win for effort vs sales gains

even if you took it to be super minimal impact of say 1% gain on total wooting sales, that's still 1% gain for almost no effort

[harsh dove]

Yeah I was reading y’all’s conversation on that above, I was gonna say imo that Wooting should market why below 0.15 RT is useless but also enable it like you said

[harsh dove]

Yeah this part

[glacial wind]

yeah, if anything it puts wooting in a better position because then people will understand "Oh so you're saying 0.01 rt is so sensitive my upstairs neighbour flushing the toilet sets it off", while still gaining the positive of "see wooting can do it too with their tech and win charts etc, they just prioritise stability and usability as their default function"

[peak breach]

any guesses how much the owlabs case is gonna be?

[harsh dove]

Yeah I agree , just educate people about it and then enable it

[glacial wind]

$400-500 is my guess

just based off owlabs other cases lol

[harsh dove]

Yeah it’s gonna be pricey

I think it’s closer to $300 but idk

[peak breach]

my guess is 400

[harsh dove]

Could be wrong

[glacial wind]

$400 would be roughly in line with what vento/epoch sold for

[thorn zealot]

400 for a mid case

[harsh dove]

Yeah $300-400 would be my personal guesstimation

[calm pulsar]

$891 for the owlabs case if you really want it right now

[glacial wind]

that's some shaq money you need for that

just take it from his $1-3k he spends per day on mobile games

[silk hound]

Might as well get a nicer case second hand

[thorn zealot]

Why does it cost so much

Besides the owlab name tag

[silk hound]

Owlab

[calm pulsar]

for sure, I wouldn't even want this case for $150

[glacial wind]

tl;dr is owlab is basically why 'thock' is a thing and that's how they got so huge

[harsh dove]

Damn $15 is crazy

Yall so mean

[calm pulsar]

edited xd

[harsh dove]

lol ik

[glacial wind]

honestly i like the design style on 75/tkl keyboard

[peak breach]

to bad it's for the 60

[thorn zealot]

Is it kinda like supreme name tag on certain things

[glacial wind]

i don't like it as much on 60% because it looks a bit cramped and too busy

their vento and epoch are beautiful keyboards

[harsh dove]

Imagine Owlabs 80HE version

[peak breach]

considering it's a collab with wooting im surprised they went for the 60

when wooting already collabed with optimum on a 60% case recently

[silk hound]

Shrunken down Vento80

Or jelly80

[glacial wind]

my endgame would still be a mode sonnet style 80he

just give me that classy simple business design

[calm pulsar]

with a custom copper plate to give it more connectivity

[silk hound]

Why not make it all copper

[glacial wind]

full copper bottom at least

[calm pulsar]

copper switch

[glacial wind]

a mere $300+ addition

actually how much is the full copper bottom on mode sonnet

[silk hound]

Keycult could never

[glacial wind]

ah a mere $230

mm

[harsh dove]

$230 is like $23

0 = 0

[silk hound]

Looks noice but pricey

[calm pulsar]

thats what im saying

[harsh dove]

[karmic sapphire]

would you guys reccomend the gateron jade pro's for the 80HE? over either of the lekker switches?

[harsh dove]

What are you looking for in terms of sound and feel

[karmic sapphire]

unsure really, I am coming from a corsair k100 platinum (I think is the name)

[harsh dove]

It’s time to jump down the rabbit hole or take the “ignorance is bliss” approach lol

[karmic sapphire]

And I think my biggest problem with this board is one, the complete massive size, and how it has sort of a spring sound when I press the keys

I think I personally am preffering the more "thock"(?) sound over the super loud clicky sound as well

[harsh dove]

Ah okay like spring ping/crunch

[karmic sapphire]

I guess that sthe name for it yeah 😄

[harsh dove]

Okay, well check out the Owlabs TI HE switches from Swagkeys or Unikeys

[little glen]

cam have you tried the owlabs he yet?

i would love to hear your thoughts whether it really just is closed bottom raw with duhuk wobble or something better/different

[harsh dove]

I’ve only tested them a little bit but yeah they are basically RAW V2’s with fully closed bottom and better wobble

[little glen]

yeah then i dont really need to try em haha

frankenswitch clears

[harsh dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984799440072220692/1352790541137477693/2025-03-21_17-45-40.mp4?ex=67dff49e&is=67dea31e&hm=0cbfbd21491a95142f943fd93cfb3bbc0dc49631707681c34827b51dafb7e0c7&

Frankenswitch vs Owlabs Switch

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[knotty iron]

what? Raw v2? surely that's not a real thing

never heard of it

[harsh dove]

It’s not real

Just the “nickname” we gave it basically

[knotty iron]

ah ok

[glacial wind]

Owl maxxing

[harsh dove]

Main reason being they use the same design as RAWs basically just have been tightened up

[harsh dove]

Yeah no more Duhuk Maxxing

[cyan lark]

Both sound good and quite similar

[harsh dove]

In that video I posted?

[cyan lark]

Yeah

[harsh dove]

Yeah they’re very close

Basically sound the same to me

[cyan lark]

Owl just a bit higher pitched.

Props for doing the most accurate comparison sound test 🙂

[harsh dove]

Yeah I thought the Frankens were slightly deeper too

[sweet oak]

Any crunch updates

[harsh dove]

Yeah I figured that’d be more accurate since same exact spot vs different spots with different switches

[cyan lark]

Definitely, can be quite different

[harsh dove]

Like for the springs?

Springs seem good on these tbh

[sweet oak]

No, crunch sound profile

[harsh dove]

Oh the Doritos sound profile

[cyan lark]

That was wild

[karmic sapphire]

as complete newbie. Outside of the sound, what would the real differences be

[tough wave]

looking for ways to improve and clean up the sound profile on my 80HE. would these be a worthy upgrade over the stock stabilizers?

[harsh dove]

Vs what?

Like the Jade Pros?

[karmic sapphire]

yeah. also heard about the jade rubies which also sound quite nice

[tropic urchin]

yeah dont get those

[cyan lark]

Rubies are just expensive recolors of jade pros no?

[tropic urchin]

^

[harsh dove]

Yeah Jade Pros and Rubies are basically the exact same, Rubies sound ever so slightly deeper but it’s very minimal and cost more than the Pros

[tropic urchin]

add jelly and red colors = $30 extra thanks Gateron

[karmic sapphire]

I see. in my country they were the same price as the pros, hence the question 😄

[tropic urchin]

interesting

[cyan lark]

I wonder if pros are expensive for you or rubies are cheap 🤔

[karmic sapphire]

they cost abouit 89 cents a switch (usd)

[cyan lark]

(relatively speaking)

[karmic sapphire]

from sweden for clarities sake

[cyan lark]

That's pretty expensive then for pros

IIRC

[harsh dove]

Gotcha, yeah the Pros, Rubies and Owlabs TI HE are all very close in terms of sound with slight differences, in terms of technical specifications, they’re basically closed bottom short travel switches with around 3.4mm travel vs your standard Lekker switch with open bottom and 4mm travel