🔧│keyboard_modding

[tawdry tree]

nah I mean like the dent, which is “smoother for your thumb” or whatever.

[visual ore]

Hmmm

[tall hollow]

so other than the software, do I need to get new stabs as well?

like 3.5mm stabs rather than the stock 4mm ones?

[tawdry tree]

Which keycaps are you using?

Stock?

[sacred elm]

no

[tall hollow]

weird keycrhon profile, its close to the XDA profile

[tawdry tree]

If they are of decent quality, you don’t need to change your stabs.

[stone flax]

aifei will clone this set for 20 dollars

[tall hollow]

they've been pretty good for me.

[stone flax]

wait

wher am i

war

whar

a

[tawdry tree]

lol

[tawdry tree]

Get your desired switches and use them, if you encounter issues then you can get other stabs later on.

[tall hollow]

yeah, durock makes 3.5mm stabs right?

[glacial wind]

i saw someone else had similar idea for color scheme. They put domikey ruby on darker grey case, contrast matches nicely

[tawdry tree]

Yes but I wouldn’t get Durocks as they don’t fit well

Gateron’s would

Actually, which keyboard are you using?

[tall hollow]

80HE

[harsh dove]

Damn I need to whip my symbiote back out

[vale mica]

Can anyone advise me on where to get a tofu 60 in England or close by?

[sacred elm]

99% of the time you wont need new stabs for 3.5mm switches

dont waste your money

[tall hollow]

yeah, I will try with stock stabs first and then get 3.5mm stabs if its an issue

[tawdry tree]

Oh, then Durocks would be fine.

I’d still recommend something like TX AP long poles though

[sacred elm]

[stone flax]

just buy spacers

FROM GEON

GEONWORKS STABILIZER SPACERS

[sacred elm]

geonworks

[stone flax]

goonworks

[tawdry tree]

🤔

[ionic breach]

nah new stabs are low key more fun

[tawdry tree]

this shit

[tall hollow]

ah

[ionic breach]

than just putting spacers

[tawdry tree]

people like it but it looks so ugly to me

[harsh dove]

You mean more money*

[tawdry tree]

real

[glacial wind]

hrm might do domikey ruby + raw case actually, then move my retro game1989 caps to the 60he

[tawdry tree]

reall

[vale mica]

Anyone ?

[tawdry tree]

maxgaming

probably the only one

or 2nd hand

[vale mica]

Oh ok

[visual ore]

Ahhh

[harsh dove]

ima take emma off the frog and put symbiote back on

[glacial wind]

lol

[harsh dove]

share when done

[glacial wind]

domikey hush is also going on big discount in a day btw

that plus $7-10 aliexpress discount - people can pick it up for like $65 usd

[fluid ravine]

Nooo don't take away the froggy's gal friend

[glacial wind]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007609093244.html

[vale mica]

What do we all think of the milk tooth WS dash switches

[visual ore]

FUCCCCCCCCCCCK

I was looking at that before but I didn't have any case that would match

[harsh dove]

Currently

[glacial wind]

$65 for entire all-in-one set is pretty dam good pricing for domikey lol

[visual ore]

Yeaaaah

[vale mica]

That looks rly nice

[sacred elm]

no

[visual ore]

Ahh screw it with some accent keys it will match the board

I think that set does what I need it too

[harsh dove]

Those are noice

[tawdry tree]

Original Jade recolor.

[vale mica]

Why ?

[sacred elm]

because jade pros exist, ws dashes are worse version

[visual ore]

Also that price is too good vs what the slime is going for right now

[harsh dove]

You said on sale tomorrow for these?

[glacial wind]

yeah aliexpress winter sale starts, at least for korea it's 21 hours from now

[harsh dove]

I’ll check it out. Ty sir

[visual ore]

Any other nice sets you want to tell us about Sno

[vale mica]

Are these then ?

[glacial wind]

lol, just the domikey ones for now. I've been eyeing the translucent sets for ages

[tawdry tree]

Original Jades for way too much.

[harsh dove]

Yeah I have a love for translucent sets

[vale mica]

Sorry replied to the wrong thing

[harsh dove]

Oh np

[tawdry tree]

Yes the price

[vale mica]

These overpriced

[tawdry tree]

Yes

[vale mica]

I’m in England so the options are limited

[tawdry tree]

No Jade Pros on amazon?

[vale mica]

They were on Amazon

[sacred elm]

jade pros are on amazon but not on sale anymore

[vale mica]

These

[sacred elm]

@vale mica

https://deltakeyco.com/products/geon-raw-he-switch

[vale mica]

That’s uk ?

Or eroupe

[tawdry tree]

No

Eu

[drifting bronze]

shut up and take my money

holey moley this is clean

[vale mica]

That’ll do

[drifting bronze]

guys i am debating to buy the L45 v2

should i just do it or not

[tawdry tree]

maxgaming is Eu too

which have Jade Pros as well I think

[vale mica]

I saw that they also have tofu60 redux so it’ll be packed together

They reliable ?

[sacred elm]

jade pros are so overpriced on maxgaming

just get raw he from deltakey

its like half the price

[sacred elm]

yes

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

[vale mica]

Ok I just don’t wanna lose money lol and more importantly leak my address

[sacred elm]

if price is ok for you for jade pros get them with tofu60 redux case from max gaming

[tawdry tree]

Delta is as well

[vale mica]

What variant do I need

[tawdry tree]

How you mean?

[sacred elm]

pro

first one

[tawdry tree]

How much are they?

[vale mica]

Is 0.90 euro per cap ?

[tawdry tree]

Ugh

[stone flax]

salvation here

time to build

:p

[vale mica]

60 quid

[sacred elm]

yes, very expensive

[tawdry tree]

Check on Delta for Raw HEs

If they still have stock

[inner wren]

[inner wren]

10pcs

[sacred elm]

@vale mica maybe just order tofu60 redux from maxgaming, and then wait for a sale on jade pros or just get raw hes from deltakey

[tawdry tree]

KBD is from china

[harsh dove]

What color did you get?

[vale mica]

Delta key Dosent have em

[stone flax]

i might buy the randomized one

[harsh dove]

Oh word

[stone flax]

im just building something for someone

its the blue

colorwau

[harsh dove]

I have a black one with an mx build in it

HE isnt bad in it imo tho

[sacred elm]

raw hes on deltakey

not jade pros

[harsh dove]

ah gotcha

[vale mica]

So I’m getting confused , where should I get each of them from ?

[sacred elm]

raw he from deltakey, jade pros on amazon

[tawdry tree]

Raw HEs on DeltaKeyCo

[sacred elm]

if its on sale

[tawdry tree]

Tofu from Maxgaming

[vale mica]

This em

[sacred elm]

yes

[tawdry tree]

could get stuff like a switch opener and puller from either as well.

[vale mica]

Says their lubed would it be a good idea to lube em after fact

[vale mica]

Puller comes with wooting don’t it

[sacred elm]

theyre decently lubed

no need

[tawdry tree]

You can always handlube but if you cba it’s fine.

[tawdry tree]

It’s kinda shit

[vale mica]

Can I put lube in a plastic bag with the switches and do shake up

[sacred elm]

yea puller from wooting is dogwater

[vale mica]

It’ll do (I think )

[tawdry tree]

That’s only from the springs

[stone flax]

Please dont

[vale mica]

So brush time ?

[sacred elm]

just use it stock

[vale mica]

Lel

[vale mica]

Ok

[tawdry tree]

I’d get one, they’re like $3-5

[vale mica]

But shipping

[tawdry tree]

switch opener isn’t necessary

[tawdry tree]

Eh, yeah well

[vale mica]

Each geon raw has 10 so should I get 7 packs to be safe so I have spares

[tawdry tree]

It’s up to you

[vale mica]

Shipping costs are extortionate

[tawdry tree]

Yes

😭

how much?

and what about the tofu’s shipping?

[sacred elm]

Youre set, tofu from maxgaming, 70pc geon raws from deltakey, you dont need anything else

[tawdry tree]

that’s a much heavier item.. 🫣

[vale mica]

Except bravery for when I do it

lol (kill me )

[tawdry tree]

😩

[sacred elm]

I forgot they dont deliver in UK

[vale mica]

WHYYY

[sacred elm]

[tawdry tree]

They don’t ship to UK?

[vale mica]

Kill me now

https://tenor.com/view/remygag-remy-gag-barf-rat-gif-978058593911536854

[sacred elm]

loool

[vale mica]

Soooooooo next plan

[sacred elm]

ok then wait for a sale for jade pros

[vale mica]

Do they go on frequently

[tawdry tree]

Could either get everything from KBD directly (not sure how much shipping and taxes would be) or from AliExpress, maybe.

[sacred elm]

it was recently

you missed it

but there might be again

[vale mica]

Ahh

Honestly idm paying a premium as long as it’s not extortionate and gets here

[tawdry tree]

maxgaming would be faster but maybe not cheaper than from KBD directly

[vale mica]

I can’t tell if it’s 0.90 per cap or if there is a quantity

[sacred elm]

0.90 for 1 jade pro

[tawdry tree]

0.90 per

[vale mica]

Boi who knew they were so hard to get

[tawdry tree]

UK is just shit

no offense

[vale mica]

Yep , non taken

[tawdry tree]

somehow harder to get stuff in the UK than it is in Eu

[harsh dove]

Here's a non-phone video of that black alu plate with raw he in the Optimum case

@tawdry tree

[tawdry tree]

Oh yeah, much better

[vale mica]

Last questions promise .
Does wooting have everything?
If not , Why Dosent wooting sponsor and get this stuff in their shop

[tawdry tree]

Louder and more poppy on Alu than on PC or POM?

[harsh dove]

Definitely louder and feels sharper than the POM plate I was using before

[drifting bronze]

ok guys raw he or lekker 45 v2

[tawdry tree]

Wooting does not, Tofu is by KBDFans. Wooting has the Alumaze for example.

Woot is looking to stock the Raw HEs and some other switches in the future but no ETA.

[tawdry tree]

Yeah sounds like it.

[drifting bronze]

wich are better for gaming l45 V2 or raw he

[tawdry tree]

How did you know the plate was compatible btw?

[marsh saffron]

Doesn't matter

[tawdry tree]

Either

[marsh saffron]

They both have the same gaming performance

[tawdry tree]

Raw HEs are not quiet though.

[drifting bronze]

ok geeling

idk

my parents aint gonnad sleep

lol

[harsh dove]

by lookin at it

[tawdry tree]

😂

[harsh dove]

lmao

[tawdry tree]

It’s a good find

[drifting bronze]

https://deltakeyco.com/collections/keycaps

[tawdry tree]

idk why KBD doesn’t list it as compatible with Woot

[drifting bronze]

are theyre iso french layouts theyre

[vale mica]

I can get both the case and 70 jade switches on kgb fans

[harsh dove]

Yeah they weird

[tawdry tree]

fr

[vale mica]

Do I need a weight bar in the case ?

[tawdry tree]

I would

It’s quite the difference

[vale mica]

Does it just make it feel beefy

[tawdry tree]

It makes it less like bell

pingy ringy resonance whatever

[vale mica]

I see . Do I need a plate for 60he ?

[tawdry tree]

Hmm, no.

Does maxgaming have plates?

Or you ask because Cam posted one?

[vale mica]

KGB fans , I’ve seen I can order it all together there

[tawdry tree]

Oh, yeah you could get a plate

[vale mica]

Which one

[tawdry tree]

but it’s not necessary

[drifting bronze]

guys wich should i get then you guys decide l45 V2 for quiet or RAW he

[vale mica]

What’s it do and which one of I do

[tawdry tree]

Those are the Jades, not Jade Pros

[harsh dove]

it's not "KGB" fans.. lol

[vale mica]

Oh ffs

[vale mica]

🙏😂

[tawdry tree]

I don’t think KGB has Jade Pros anyway though

they do Raw HEs

[cyan lark]

Dah

[vale mica]

What’s better but more importantly what plate should I get for the 60he

[tawdry tree]

Raw HEs are NOT quiet!

[drifting bronze]

yea idc womp womp for my parents or the L45 to make them happy

[tawdry tree]

You understand that when you order, you’ll pay shipping and then import costs when it arrives at your doorstep right?

[vale mica]

Good pint

Point

Well I’m screwed GG chat

[tawdry tree]

So the more you add, the more import will be, not that it matters a lot

how much is UK’s import anyway?

[vale mica]

Like 10% of the total value ish

Very losley ish

[cyan lark]

I may be biased since I am parent aged, but "womp womp for them" probably isn't the way to go.

[drifting bronze]

how would it sound if i put foam in my case between my plate everywhere how would the l45s sound

[drifting bronze]

true true

[vale mica]

I gotta go cry now chat so bye bye

https://tenor.com/view/bye-bye-bye-gif-12807868928498541318

[drifting bronze]

i cant choose tbh they are used to normal jades so idk
tbh

[tawdry tree]

that’s not bad

(cries in 21% (fuck Eu))

[drifting bronze]

@tawdry tree what do you think

[drifting bronze]

?

[tawdry tree]

choose between what?

Raw HEs and Lekkers?

[drifting bronze]

l 45 v2 or the raw

[vapid oracle]

Jade pros

[tawdry tree]

Raw HEs are slightly louder than your current Jades.

[cyan lark]

No offense but you've missed a lot of context on this one

[drifting bronze]

ok nevermind then

[fluid ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-no-cash-gif-25565154

[tawdry tree]

If you don’t mind loud (which you said was important) then Raw HEs have a cleaner sound and would be slightly cheaper.

[vapid oracle]

Jade pros only

[tawdry tree]

Gateron 🤮

[drifting bronze]

nah nevermind then but the jades have 30g force right? or and the L45 45

[vapid oracle]

So clean 🧼

[cyan lark]

I love my KoMs but are you on an anti-Gateron thing now?

[tawdry tree]

Jades have 45 as well iirc

Jades and L45s are very similar

[cyan lark]

Yeah jade/pros are both around 45

[vapid oracle]

Regular jades are ass

[tawdry tree]

Always have been

[cyan lark]

Incorrect, sir, but I am not willing to litigrate this one again.

[drifting bronze]

so theyre simmelar just more quiet

[tawdry tree]

Gently Silent and Jade Maxes made it worse

[vapid oracle]

Compared to pros? Way better lol

[cyan lark]

TIL! Gotta stand for something or you'll fall for anything.

[sacred elm]

yes but jade pros feel heavier than both l45 and regular jades because of longer spring

[cyan lark]

I have both, ain't no arguing w/ this bad boy. I think the upgrade is there, but not world changing.

[tawdry tree]

Yes and Lekkers have a total travel of 4mm where Jades have a shorter travel of 3.3mm.

[drifting bronze]

so is theyre a difference between the comp adventage bc in my mind the shorter travel is better but idk

[tawdry tree]

Also not much good happened between Woot and Gateron

[cyan lark]

I haven't tested this, not actually certain whether that's true or not. The spring could have a different constant offsetting the preload 🤷

[vapid oracle]

[tawdry tree]

hence they dropped them

[sacred elm]

Its true.

[fluid ravine]

Shall I uh drop the paragraph

[tawdry tree]

Shorter travel isn’t better, it’s preference.

[cyan lark]

I didn't know they broke up w/ Gateron, another TIL

[drifting bronze]

ohhhh

[vapid oracle]

😍😍😍

[sacred elm]

yes

[tawdry tree]

Mecha Mini!!

[cyan lark]

Vacuumed the whole house and it looks like my plates are out in the mailbox...

[fluid ravine]

The design of the two-stage spring makes it longer than a normal “one-stage” spring. This means that the spring is compressed more than a one-stage spring during the unactivated state, and it reaches its bottom out weight more quickly. This makes the downpress feel more firm and consistent, as there is a smaller range of forces between the beginning of the keypress until bottom out or even actuation. In addition, the upstroke after lifting your finger is noticeably faster, meaning that there is the ability to rapidly repeat keystrokes in a shorter amount of time. Two-stage springs are also less likely to have spring ping because being more compressed even in the unactivated state means that there is less room for the spring to move/rotate around.

[tawdry tree]

after a rough relationship, yeah

[fluid ravine]

This should somewhat apply to longer springs as well

[fluid ravine]

Words been spreadin

[sacred elm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/984799440072220692/1322746919813910579/image0.jpg?ex=6773f9d1&is=6772a851&hm=61d0aa7b2a563311e6b1010ff80f7c011fb0880edf8e34e9e919572c1c7d74d8&

[fluid ravine]

[fluid ravine]

Yup yup

[cyan lark]

Yeah I get how preload affects where on the pressure graph the beginning of the stroke is, just don't know if the constant on the springs in the pro vs non is the same or not

[tawdry tree]

If the springs of the Jade Pros are longer and the bottom out force is the same. From that graph, the initial pressure required should be higher.

[drifting bronze]

@tawdry tree

[tawdry tree]

Yes!

[drifting bronze]

i put the spring of the jade in the lekker and it sounds quiet and feels good

so

im just gonna buy the lekker 45s

[tawdry tree]

Spring swapping takes like 30minutes

[vapid oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/preference-glarses-mx-brown-cherry-mx-brown-keyboard-gif-21044520

[drifting bronze]

nah not gonna do that

just want the 45s

so idk im just gonna buyt the l45S

V2

tollerance and miner inprovements

@tawdry tree how is the factory lube on the L45S?

[sacred elm]

fine

[fluid ravine]

Ah about to be 2025
Another year without a switch opener am I right? @stone flax

[stone flax]

i bought a glorious switch opener for 2 dollars and threw it away

[sacred elm]

Just use tweezers

[stone flax]

screwdrivers are better

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

[fluid ravine]

Screwdrivers>

[sacred elm]

I use tweezers to open switches

[vapid oracle]

Use toothpicks

[fluid ravine]

TOOTHPICKS LMAO

[sacred elm]

Have to get switch opener now

lol

I have it in cart for weeks now

[drifting bronze]

@tawdry tree you think its worth it just gonna put foam everywhere with it tho

[tawdry tree]

illness

[tropic urchin]

Nah you’re all wrong, gotta run over your switches like the batch 1 fedex drivers for maximum convenience

[tawdry tree]

You can stuff the case with foam, foam between the plate. That with Lekkers will be quiet.

[sacred elm]

luckily my package was fine lol, but the box of L45 container was cooked

[tawdry tree]

Compared to what you have now.

[drifting bronze]

great

[sacred elm]

container itself was fine

[drifting bronze]

is it enough to use the foam from the redux?

[fluid ravine]

Were each of the switches open tho?

[tropic urchin]

That’s the proper way of opening them

[vapid oracle]

Does the foam on the bottom of the case distort the noise making it less loud without it ?

[sacred elm]

no, switches and the jar itself was fine

i was surprised

[fluid ravine]

Then they didn't do it right

1 star

[sacred elm]

L

[tropic urchin]

Facts

[tawdry tree]

Could use the stock foam as well

if you separate the top and bottom piece

[stone flax]

im gonna try building this salvation without a guide

[tawdry tree]

Stock Wooting foam.

[stone flax]

intuition type shyt

[vapid oracle]

What’s the point of foam on the bottom of case?

[drifting bronze]

would that be better then the redux foam?

[tawdry tree]

should be fine

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

The foam with the redux is a bit thin

[tawdry tree]

Sound dampening

[drifting bronze]

oh ok

[vapid oracle]

So without it, keystrokes sounds louder ?

[drifting bronze]

i like the feel of the stock jades better because of the tollerances

and smoothness

so idk if that should be fixed by buying the l45S

[tawdry tree]

Slightly, and not so much resonance in the case itself.

[vapid oracle]

So you won’t notice a difference with or without the foam?

[tawdry tree]

Lekker V2s and original Jades have around the same wobble

so dw

[drifting bronze]

GREAT

[tawdry tree]

You would

Maybe not you, but I would*

[vapid oracle]

Okay what do you prefer with or without ?

[stone flax]

who here built a salvation

[vapid oracle]

Currently have foam rn

[tawdry tree]

Especially on the Tofu w/o weight.

[vapid oracle]

[tawdry tree]

what’s up

[tawdry tree]

I like with but I like quiet.

[stone flax]

how necessary at the plate stand offs

cuz the pcb plate assembly will be screwed into the leaf springs anyway

[tawdry tree]

hotswap?

[drifting bronze]

tbh i like the 4mm more on the l45 then the jades

[stone flax]

no

lemme send pic

[drifting bronze]

wait @tawdry tree could i private dm you?

[tawdry tree]

Ofc

[vapid oracle]

Imma leave foam just need to loosen my screws a little cause I feel like it will help with sound

[stone flax]

@tawdry tree are these necessary if the pcb-plate assembly will be screwed into the leaf springs anyways

i feel like it could be done without them but im not sure

[tawdry tree]

You’d have a loose plate if not

It can be

but I wouldn’t recommend it

[stone flax]

i was hoping the switches + leaf springs would be enough to secure them

but ig not

might remove the spacebar stand off tho

See how that affects sound

[tawdry tree]

the leaf springs don’t hold the plate to the PCB, the PCB just sits on them

[stone flax]

oh

[tawdry tree]

you can try, see how it is

[stone flax]

ya ur right

[tawdry tree]

but I wouldn’t

[stone flax]

i just dont like mounting points/otherwise near spacebar

but it shouldnt be too bad

thx

[tawdry tree]

You only use two screws for the salv

[stone flax]

yea the left and right

[tawdry tree]

yeah

also

?

[harsh dove]

huh

[tawdry tree]

what screw is that?

[stone flax]

wdym

[vapid oracle]

If I’m running tray mount do I need to screw all 6 spots ?

[harsh dove]

thats a leaf spring screw

[stone flax]

no clue came with the case

oh gg

💀

[harsh dove]

lmao

[tawdry tree]

Noooo

[stone flax]

theres like 20 screws in here

please dont tell me i need a build guide

[tawdry tree]

the standoffs go on the leaf springs

not really

you could check a yt vid rq

[stone flax]

uhh the case looks like this rn

[harsh dove]

I just watched alexotos salvation build stream tbh

[stone flax]

im watching him rn

he just yapping

about nixies

[harsh dove]

yeah lol

[tawdry tree]

That’s good but I didn’t use the far left and right one

[harsh dove]

you dont need the ones on the sides tbh

[vapid oracle]

Anyone know ????

[stone flax]

ill try both

[tawdry tree]

Salvun doesn’t recommend it iirc

[harsh dove]

No, you dont need too

[stone flax]

guy said he likes stiffer

so

[tawdry tree]

Ah

[vapid oracle]

What spots do you recommend to be screwed ?

[harsh dove]

I personally only use two even in regular tray mount

[tawdry tree]

It’d be slightly stiffer with them perhaps

[stone flax]

so uhhh can i proceed with using whatever spare screws for the plate

?

[harsh dove]

top left and top right

@vapid oracle

Near tab and mod pipes

[vapid oracle]

Okay I’ll try this I bet it will sound better I feel

[harsh dove]

Yeah less screws is better imo

[tawdry tree]

bro why does your plate have no screws?

[vapid oracle]

So screw by tab button and other by delete button?

[stone flax]

i think its in my frog mini case

[harsh dove]

yeah

[tawdry tree]

😂

[stone flax]

too lazy to whip it out

tbh

ill just use these

[tawdry tree]

Ehhhhh

[vapid oracle]

I will try this and you prefer not screwing them super tight ?

[stone flax]

wait

why is there

4 different screws in here

😨

[harsh dove]

btw mj, I know you're just building that for someone but do you have any purple loctite by chance?

the screws like to come loose overtime on the leaf springs where the pcb screws in

[stone flax]

not purple one

naur

Gg

[harsh dove]

yeah sometimes you'll hear rattling or ping in the case and be like wtf? its most likely a loose screw for the leaf spring

[stone flax]

Why are there 4 different types of screws

😨

[harsh dove]

I'll pull mine out hold on (pause)

[stone flax]

please whip urs out

🙏

[tawdry tree]

is the left one from the salv as well?

[stone flax]

most left?

no

dawg what am i dealing with rn

i might just use my own screws

[tawdry tree]

Plate screw

[stone flax]

holy moly

[reef oar]

@vale mica idk if you ordered anything yet, but lowkey aliexpress is your best option

[tawdry tree]

you put the foam pads under the leaf springs right? @stone flax

[stone flax]

yus

[tawdry tree]

aight

[harsh dove]

This how I did mine

[stone flax]

yeah the case should be fine

i just need proper screws for the pcb/plate

what length does the stock wooting plate use

because the ones i used for the frog are diff length

[tawdry tree]

the left ones look like they are from the plate

[tawdry tree]

4mm

[harsh dove]

M2x4mm iirc

[tawdry tree]

yes

[stone flax]

thanks ill just use mine atp

freaky screws

[calm pulsar]

nice color

[stone flax]

😨

[tawdry tree]

mine only came with 3 different screws I think

one of which were for the weight

[harsh dove]

Yeah they give you a lot lol

I can’t answer why

The full build

[reef oar]

olivia >

[stone flax]

@harsh dove howd u go about aligning the pcb/plate before screwing into the leaf springs

[fluid ravine]

GAL FRIEND

Olivia

[kind helm]

lets go gamers

[harsh dove]

I have mine burger mounted so the screws are already installed so to speak and I just kinda feel around for the holes

[kind helm]

only waited for 2 months

[calm pulsar]

venom

[stone flax]

is ur plate hitting the top of the case

or is it just in the middle?

[calm pulsar]

now you can finally game

[harsh dove]

They line up pretty easily tbh and nah it shouldn't hit the case

[kind helm]

sticky rice feels like it shouldnt fit into the pcb

s44t... do i really wanna force it in with this new pcb...

[tawdry tree]

They are a pain to remove FYI

They are kinda the only magnetic switch you can run plateless though

if that’s what you’re going for.

[vapid oracle]

@harsh dove

Similar build

[kind helm]

that is what i am going for... but damn...I feel like this is gonna damage the pcb

[tawdry tree]

PCBs are pretty strong. Just don’t bend it

Like support it while you install the switches

[kind helm]

thanks for the tip

doing it right now

it feels so wrong lmao

I can put the stab in after I put in the switch right

for screw in?

[stone flax]

Im cooked

[kind helm]

I haven't used screw in for so long LMAO i dont remember if that order matters

[placid kraken]

Why it sound like someone dropped a piece of metal on the floor

[stone flax]

somethings hitting something

[harsh dove]

you can hear mine hit near the spacebar in this video but you can't really hear it IRL, much more pronounced in this video.

Idk why yours is doing that tbh

[tawdry tree]

Yes

[stone flax]

dissapears when i unscrew on the right leafspring

[kind helm]

i am not touching the switches after i put them in, thanks

i put one in wrong, the force i had to use to pull the switch up was fckin unnatural

[stone flax]

@harsh dove fixed it

[kind helm]

for lack of a better word

xD

[tawdry tree]

Them them in south facing

[harsh dove]

what you end up doing?

[tawdry tree]

at least, caps

[kind helm]

wait yea the direction dont even matter

tf was i doing

venom no rgb

and no pin

xD

[tawdry tree]

only caps lock

but yeah

[stone flax]

change out the 4mm screw for a 6mm, it wasnt threading properly or smth

[tawdry tree]

all these boring salv colors, black, blue. Pfft, couldn’t be me.

[kind helm]

my soul black better

[tawdry tree]

boring!!! 😅

keycaps are questionable

[vale mica]

What plate for the tofu 60 is the best ?

[tropic urchin]

Just needs GMK cosmos and your keeb can be its own moon

[tawdry tree]

I like the cosmos color of the salv

[tropic urchin]

That combo would be pretty fire

[tawdry tree]

Preference.

[vale mica]

What’s it do tho

[tawdry tree]

Changes sound and feel

[vale mica]

What would sound smoother and quietly ?

[harsh dove]

copper slag is cool

[tawdry tree]

Softer plates slightly absorb the sound and stiffer plates slightly reflect the sound so to say

[calm pulsar]

this is what emercoms are made from haha

[tawdry tree]

Softer plates like PC and POM

[tropic urchin]

PC plate would be a good place to start

[vale mica]

So soft is quiet and hard louder and sharper ?

[tawdry tree]

finding a set for it is kinda tough

[tropic urchin]

Yeah softer will be more muted and quiet sounding

[tawdry tree]

I thought norse would look better than it actually does

😂

[tawdry tree]

Slightly, yes.

[calm pulsar]

oops meant intercoms

[tawdry tree]

🤣🤣

[vale mica]

So would carbon fiber be softer ?

And ansi harder

[tropic urchin]

CF is super stiff

[vale mica]

Oh so ansi

[calm pulsar]

[stone flax]

ok done

just putting keycaps in

[tawdry tree]

ANSI isn’t a material

[stone flax]

i got stuck on screws

gg

[tawdry tree]

it’s a layout

[tawdry tree]

That’s the most stylish intercom I’ve ever seen

I’ve only ever seen ones that look the the wall

behind it (like literally, exactly like it).

[tropic urchin]

Since you want something smooth and quiet, I’d try the PC plate as a litmus test for what you think you want and then if you want something different you can always try a new plate.

[kind helm]

@calm pulsar how you put in the back space?

[tawdry tree]

split pls

[calm pulsar]

yeah here most of them look like this 😄

[calm pulsar]

I did split

[calm pulsar]

just put 2 switches and then select split in the software

[kind helm]

wait i meant the 4th row

the one you have

[tawdry tree]

it seems to be the exact same process as the copper slag lol

[kind helm]

oh wait 3 braincells moment

[calm pulsar]

hmm there is one way on 7u pcb

haha

[kind helm]

your backspace no stab right?

[tawdry tree]

most gmk sets include back space

[calm pulsar]

yeah

[tawdry tree]

for the 4th row

if that’s what u meant

[kind helm]

alright alright

[tawdry tree]

stabs only for 2U and up

[calm pulsar]

what's cool with 7U split backspace is that you only install 3 stabs

so less hassle

[tawdry tree]

yeahh

[calm pulsar]

yeah the \ key can be replaced with a dedicated backspace key for the tsangan layout

[tawdry tree]

two no?

or venom doesn’t have split shift?

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[tawdry tree]

yeah exactly

[calm pulsar]

the 7u venom only has split shift, so you can't get the big shift

only on 6.25u

[calm pulsar]

@kind helm as you can see here is the backspace key

[tawdry tree]

oh yeah I’m stupid

[kind helm]

yeee have one of your pictures open right now

xD

[harsh dove]

Tsangan layout best layout

[calm pulsar]

true and real

[tawdry tree]

I don’t even know how backlash as 1.25U came to be

it looks dumb like it was forgotten and stuffed in last moment 🤣

[harsh dove]

Waiting for my Tsangan Wooting PCB

[tawdry tree]

If that day comes

[calm pulsar]

yeah with the backspace in there feels kind of more complete and symmetrical, this way both sides are fully enclosed by mod keys

[tawdry tree]

exactly

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/984799440072220692/1323383299355316234/IMG_1752.jpg?ex=6774503d&is=6772febd&hm=4ce9550480e637991163bca6faea8f4472dd85b9e7a7d40b03f4cb7f44757508&

and that

[kind helm]

typeplus screw in is making me feel like retard right now

tf

[tawdry tree]

if they’re different colors

[tawdry tree]

yeah that’s the same for everyone

[calm pulsar]

yeah it was the same for me xd

[kind helm]

thanks

for making me feel better

[stoic vigil]

q

[stone flax]

done :p

thoughts so far

its soft

oh so soft

[tawdry tree]

the blue looks so much darker now lmao

[harsh dove]

https://tenor.com/view/tumblr-tumblr-anon-theodd1sout-theodd1sout-tumblr-theodd1sout-anon-gif-15368460227874113321

[stone flax]

yeah its just a temp set

the guys gonna use striker

which is color matched to perfection

[harsh dove]

how did I know itd be striker

[stone flax]

💀

[stone flax]

its unironically been done so much

[harsh dove]

yeah

a lot

[harsh dove]

same with uh that gmk samurai set

the blue and red ones

Redsuns

[polar girder]

What plate

Material

[stone flax]

stock pc

too lazy

[polar girder]

Ah fair

[stone flax]

guys using aluminum for his so

ill swap it when venom comes

[polar girder]

Yeah it looks aight

Ah gotcha

[harsh dove]

Yeah thats what mine has

pink alu

[barren pasture]

what case and cable is that? :)

[harsh dove]

Frog Mini x Xray Cable

[barren pasture]

Damn thats clean

[barren pasture]

Sorry for asking, but what did you do to make this sound so good? :)

[harsh dove]

That's not HE

That's MX

Kailh Black Cherry Pies

[barren pasture]

ahhhh thats my bad

[harsh dove]

No worries

[barren pasture]

Sounds fantastic!

[harsh dove]

Thanks!

[kind helm]

skipping the pad on the left or nah

[harsh dove]

that stabilizer pads? I personally don't like em, but try em and see if you do

[barren pasture]

do you have any tips and tricks for the first mods to do with my 60he? :)

[harsh dove]

What case do you have?

[calm pulsar]

I do use such a pad, just try whatever sounds better for you

[barren pasture]

Just the stock one

[harsh dove]

the ABS plastic case?

[barren pasture]

Yes :)

[harsh dove]

You can try burger mounting or friction mounting with a gummy-o-ring, both cheap options that are pretty easy to do.

You using Steel plate?

[barren pasture]

I havent received my board yet

just ordered

But i think it comes with a steel plate yes

[harsh dove]

Did you get anything else with the board like a lube kit?

[barren pasture]

No i didnt - would that be worth it? I heard lubing takes HOURS

[harsh dove]

Lol yeah it does, especially if its your first time

but that can change the sound of the switches a bit

and also lubing stablizers by hand is better

[barren pasture]

I seee :)

You aslo mentioned burger mounting and friction mounting

And the steel plate

Where do i start doing those? Do i order a new plate?

[harsh dove]

Everything in this hobby is a preference, so it takes a lot of experimenting to figure out what you like, these are all just some optional mods that alter the sound of your board.

Wooting sells a PC plate on their website for around $20 USD. You can also get 3rd party plates made of different materials from other websites like KBDfans and Hypekeyboards, just have to make sure they're compatible with the Wooting60HE PCB.

You can read up on burger and friction mounting in the #🪛│modding_faq and I can link you a video

• https://youtu.be/tlPX6gYSxyU

• https://youtu.be/8U6prjMZ_MM

[barren pasture]

Thanks a lot!

Ill def take a look!

[stone flax]

@harsh dove okay one more issue

when i plug it in the area next to esc becomes metallic

oof

is that alignment again

[harsh dove]

yeah that can happen with some cables tbh

[stone flax]

I need a slimmer cable

[harsh dove]

hows the tension on the cable? Is is tight/stiff or does it have some slack/looseness to it?

I can kinda see it in the vid nvm

[stone flax]

theres some slack

howd u get around this :p

[harsh dove]

Yeah I see it

Do you have a heavier cable by chance?
One with a metal usb shroud maybe?

[stone flax]

hmmm

nope

hmmm

[harsh dove]

Damn, yeah I noticed when I use my heavier cables with CNCd USB shrouds they dont cause that ping

[stone flax]

=]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

ooops

[stone flax]

i got a bit of it removed by looseing the left screw

[stone flax]

do you have a pic of these kinds of cables

[harsh dove]

Ah yeah, I shoulda suggested that tbh, that works too

[stone flax]

not at all 😭

[stone flax]

Fixed most of it

frog mini better 🥱

[harsh dove]

Yeah frog mini imo is better for HE, Salvation better for MX

[polar girder]

Ong

Every day I smile for my purchase

https://tenor.com/view/no-ragrets-no-regrets-fail-gif-4946750

[harsh dove]

We trying Alu plate frog mini again

See if spacebar wants to be nice or not

[drifting bronze]

@tawdry tree does the l45 V2 also feel mushy

bc for gaming i dont like the L60s because theyre mushy in my opinion

[tawdry tree]

If you don’t overlube them, not really. The Jades will be stiffer(?) though.

Because the Jade’s stem hits the bottom in the center

[drifting bronze]

nah i mean i use the lekkers now and i feel like theyre mushy

[tawdry tree]

rather than in two places on the edge.

[drifting bronze]

nah i mean

like they really feel mushy

[tawdry tree]

I wouldn’t say they are mushy but I get what you mean.

[drifting bronze]

like what should i do then

[tawdry tree]

Try the V2s

Not much else there is to do

[polar girder]

Well maybe you want/need a closed bottom switch

[drifting bronze]

or just not the lekkers

what others are good?

[drifting bronze]

wich theb

then

[polar girder]

Raw HE or Jade Pro prob

[drifting bronze]

wich is best

like do i get a mushy keyboard just for my parents?

idk tho

[tawdry tree]

Lekker V2s are on par with the quietest switches. So can’t really get anything else.

[tawdry tree]

Neither are QUIET! Decide what you want bro 😅

[polar girder]

Yeah quiet and mushy generally go hand in hand for HE unfortunately

[drifting bronze]

i know but like the feeling of not having the bottom out sound if you know

[tawdry tree]

You like the feeling of not having a bottom out sound?

[drifting bronze]

no with

[polar girder]

lol

[drifting bronze]

like it feels wierd

[polar girder]

Bro is tripping

[tawdry tree]

Oh

[polar girder]

I don’t even know what you’re looking dor

[drifting bronze]

the lekker with the jade spring

[polar girder]

Respectfully

[drifting bronze]

ok my parents want my keyboard to be more quiet

[tawdry tree]

You can’t make Raw HEs or Jade Pros as quiet as Lekker are, or quiet in general.

So you have to choose.

[drifting bronze]

i currently have jades in a tofu 60 redux and a pc plate with the silecone insert but idk what switches to get bc i would like something quiet for my parents but i dont want something mushy feeling like my lekker with the jade springh

[drifting bronze]

that is the main problem hahahaha

[drifting bronze]

yea but if theyre used to the jades i can do this to i think

[tawdry tree]

Then I’d stick with the Jades and tell your parents that there is no quieter switch. 😉

[tawdry tree]

Don’t you wanna save some money?

[polar girder]

lol oh

[tawdry tree]

Going from Jades to Jade Pros or Jades to Raw HEs isn’t a massive difference.

[drifting bronze]

yea but the 40 euros doesnt do much

[tawdry tree]

You could get Raw HEs then.

[tropic urchin]

To piggy back off aligner, you can say you tried to make it as quiet as possible, but due to the limitations of HE keyboards it’s as quiet as you can make it, shows you tried and they prob won’t counter you on it.

Not a bad strat tbh

[drifting bronze]

what?

[tawdry tree]

real! lying to your parents is a great thing.

lol

[polar girder]

I mean if it means keeping your Wooting or not you could buy these:

https://gamakay.com/products/gamakay-hall-effect-magnetic-switches-35-pcs-20-pcs-70-pcs-pack?variant=44679956201661

The phoenix variant

[tropic urchin]

Only a half truth 🙂

[tawdry tree]

CAN’T BE MUSHY

[polar girder]

Not a great switch but they’re quiet

lol fk me

[drifting bronze]

TF ARE THESE

lol

[tawdry tree]

bro wants a non existent switch, dw

[polar girder]

Quiet switches

Yeah HE is cooked for clean, quiet sound enjoyers

[tawdry tree]

fr

[drifting bronze]

what are the best deep sounding switches for like thocky sound?

if i need to give it a name

[tropic urchin]

Lekker V2s are about all you got 🤣

[drifting bronze]

o hell naw

does anyone have a good video of the raw hes

[polar girder]

There isn’t one

What don’t you get lol

Lekker v2 or Black Knight only remotely close options

[tropic urchin]

RAWs are good but they’re on par with jades if not clackier so your parents aren’t going to approve

It’s either you tell your parents a half truth and keep jades or you get lekker V2s and suffer in silence. Those are your only real choices here

Or you sound proof your room

[cedar gate]

I would just get geon raws usually they aren't loud enough for anyone outside your room to care

At least with the door closed

[drifting bronze]

My desk is right next to the door

[kind helm]

@harsh dove the plateless salvation

its not impressive

just different

imo

loud af in person

@fluid ravine @polar girder
pcb:
https://www.superbuy.com/cn/page/buy/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fitem.taobao.com%2Fitem.htm%3Fid%3D841097715733%26ali_trackid%3D2%3Amm_117358474_33384934_118778578
plate:
https://www.superbuy.com/cn/page/buy/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fitem.taobao.com%2Fitem.htm%3Fid%3D841387584618%26ali_trackid%3D2%3Amm_117358474_33384934_118778578

[polar girder]

wtf is that

[kind helm]

virus

[fast oriole]

wtf

[polar girder]

I don’t really care about salvation.

Respectfully

[calm pulsar]

this post has been fact checked by true frog mini patriots
TRUE✅

[stone flax]

idk

having used both

i think

its.....

preference

💀

who would have thunk

[kind helm]

damn didn't expect that

thats crazy

[stone flax]

frog for looks and sound, salvation for feel

[calm pulsar]

how different it is from the frog? more bouncy?

[stone flax]

soft

like holy hell is this even a traymount

so soft

bounce is nice

jiggles like a pancake :v

[drifting bronze]

@calm pulsar i don't know what switches you use and have used but could you maybe share your opinion on a question I have

[calm pulsar]

ohh ic
but the sound is diff?

[stone flax]

yep

a bit roomier

than the frog

[calm pulsar]

sure

[stone flax]

not a bad thing at all

some might actually prefer it

i dont like the sound as it is right now but that may be in part because im using the stock pc plate

so not totally in love

[kind helm]

7U spacebar need more lube or nah

[harsh dove]

Alu plate installed

[calm pulsar]

not opposed to that I guess, but I still like the looks of frog a bit more

[stone flax]

any day of the week

also one more thing

[calm pulsar]

now we have the same build
I got my frankenswitch tho

[stone flax]

the frog is at a much lower front height and typing angle

so this is definitnely different

👅

[calm pulsar]

yeah this is more preferable then

[drifting bronze]

Ok I currently use a 60he with tofu 60 redux a pc plate with the silicone insert and jades ok e sides 1 my parents want it to be more quiet 2 I don't like the feel of the lekker I think they're mushy I used a jade spring with the lekker 60 v1 body and I think its mushy what do I do

[stone flax]

uh

switch out the silicone for poron or something else

[kind helm]

was talkin about the venom pcb, got it in 5 days, 70 for pcb, then 10 for each plate, 40 for hongkong DHL shipping

[stone flax]

lekkers truly are mush tho

open bottoms

rbo

[calm pulsar]

ngl there's not much you can do
I agree with mj, silicone makes it brighter sounding, so maybe try foam

but othern than that if you don't like lekkers or other open bottoms then there's nothing else that exists rn

you could upgrade to jade pros or raws for cleaner sound, but again they will be the same loudness, raws probably even louder/brighter sounding

[harsh dove]

Do you use any plate foam or silicone ?

[calm pulsar]

currently no foams in case or plate

[drifting bronze]

Whats your opinion then

[harsh dove]

I think ima try nothing inbetween, I have foam rn and don't like it

[stone flax]

cam

can i ask you something real quick

[harsh dove]

no

[stone flax]

can i ask you something really long

[harsh dove]

sure

[calm pulsar]

yeah nothing is honestly kinda better now for me, allows the switch to sound fully

[stone flax]

do you think that bottoming out on the pole vs rails make a difference in feel

[drifting bronze]

Depends on what long

[stone flax]

personally

[harsh dove]

Yeah I usually prefer nothing and I usually dont like foam but wanted to try anyway lol

[drifting bronze]

And are they're any good aftermarket stabelizers

[calm pulsar]

opinion on what you should do?

or what

[harsh dove]

you mean like closed bottom vs open bottom?

[marsh saffron]

Even with steel plate my tofu build with dashes is very quiet

[calm pulsar]

I mean you already have pc plate which is the quietest

[drifting bronze]

Yea go raws or just suffer in silence

[stone flax]

closed bottom vs open bottom, pole bottom out vs rail bottom out, long poles vs regular full travels

yea sure

[harsh dove]

Ah

[stone flax]

do you think they feel different

on bottom out

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[stone flax]

good to know

some people dont

[calm pulsar]

raws are potentially even louder, so not sure if your parents would approve

[drifting bronze]

Idk it's my money lol

Ok what are the best ones for gaming

[calm pulsar]

on day 1 with my wooting I wanted a closed bottom switch lol
was so excited when jades launched

[drifting bronze]

Sound aside

[harsh dove]

Guess it depends how hard you type , would affect how much you feel it ig

[marsh saffron]

There isn't one

[calm pulsar]

if you want to get technical then ttc kom are the most stable for gaming, but jade pros and raws are just fine tbh

[drifting bronze]

@calm pulsar or anybody else is theyre any stabelizers that are worth the upgrade over the stock ones

[polar girder]

Oh snap

[calm pulsar]

do you have plate mounts?

[polar girder]

From that link ??

[drifting bronze]

Yes

[stone flax]

definitely depends on harshness and general cadence sure, im just asking because sometime ago someone was complaining about fatigue from raw he they didnt experience on lekkers. i posited it was because of it being a harsher bottom out but no one else agreed lol.

[kind helm]

yea you can switch to english on the top of the page

forgot to do that xD

[calm pulsar]

typeplus
sw knight v2s
designer studio adaptive stabilizers

these are good pcb mount stabs

[drifting bronze]

And what is the upgrade over the stock ones?

[marsh saffron]

Did you lube/tune them?

[drifting bronze]

Lube yes tune no

[harsh dove]

Oh, weird. I think some people can definitely get fatigue from closed bottom switches

[marsh saffron]

Try tuning your stabs, I did and mine became insanely quiet

[stone flax]

same thing i said

hard for people to believe tho

[drifting bronze]

Idk how lol

[marsh saffron]

• i used some medical tape bandage to make a dampener on my pcb where the stabs hit it

[drifting bronze]

And idk how to get the stabs back working lol

[calm pulsar]

it's not a huge upgrade, but if done well even plate mounts should be good

other than that any of those I listed should be good, but again you need to lube and tune them as well

[marsh saffron]

Made mine insanely quiet, and they don't feel any bit mushy either

[marsh saffron]

Youtube

[drifting bronze]

How do I do that

[stone flax]

oh hey update

i was right

[calm pulsar]

🤠

[stone flax]

gothix felt fatigue until he switched to black knights

👅

[drifting bronze]

And what are the ttc com switches?

Idk how to spell it

[stone flax]

expensive box stem switch by ttc with high stability

[stone flax]

KOM - king of magnetics

[marsh saffron]

These are loud asf you probably don't want them

[calm pulsar]

maybe it depends on how hard you type and game

[stone flax]

yea

[calm pulsar]

cause I can't imagine having fatigue in other ways