🔧│keyboard_modding

[dapper hazel]

3 parts, one goes inside switch, one goes below switch between switch and pcb and one part goes between switch and plate

[pulsar relic]

Anyone got the link to what cases are compatible to the 60he module?

Please*!

[dapper hazel]

i think any GH60 factor case

[tawdry tree]

@stray tiger unrelated but if you have time, could you check if the compensation stage is still a thing on the 60HE? It’s gone on the 80HE. Switches with weaker magnets are still not optimally supported but it’s better than it was before.
Mistrals and Flames were at 3.25 before, now 3.75.
pics show Mistrals and Flames respectively.

[stray tiger]

Im waiting on a new PCB but I think Im going to build my Optimum today by staling the PCB out of my Salvation build

[stray tiger]

Ive got a newer 60HE PCB coming (60HE+) which I believe has the updated scanning change. I'll test when it arrives

[tawdry tree]

Ah, the older PCBs aren’t compatible with that firmware version?

Or it’s a hardware thing?

[forest hare]

so thats 3 films per switch + Pad or 2 films + pad?

[dapper hazel]

3 parts per switch - 360 parts in one bag

[forest hare]

k , but it doesnt replace the pad right?

[dapper hazel]

switch film, pcb pad and plate gasket

[forest hare]

cause I use a friction pad

[dapper hazel]

which pad?

[forest hare]

ah k k thanks

friction pad

beween pcb and plate

[dapper hazel]

nah that’s like a massive silicone layer, those things are just for the switches and 0.1mm thick

per switch :)

[mighty dagger]

are the switches supposed to be hard to pull out

[forest hare]

if you not using a switch puller yeh

[ionic breach]

you can take everything out and push it from under

[dapper hazel]

keebtape goes on the bottom of the pcb

[forest hare]

you need concentrated force

[stray tiger]

Hardware tweak during the refresh a while back I believe. Dont quote me on it but I thik that's the case

[dapper hazel]

they lock in place, you need to depress the hooks

top and bottom

[forest hare]

and the tape makes difference? seems like just a thin plastic wrap layer

[mighty dagger]

i am

[dapper hazel]

the it usually just comes out

[mighty dagger]

Oh I got it

[dapper hazel]

it’s 1mm thick gel, dampens a bunch

[mighty dagger]

I wasnt pressing in hard enough theres ribs on the side

[dapper hazel]

;)

[forest hare]

ah k makes sense

and the wooting HE peformance isnt effected ?

[stray tiger]

@tawdry tree coincidentally from todays stream https://www.youtube.com/live/Hxz2-1BtuCM?si=v8jllZOeh5Gz__gL&t=4083

[dapper hazel]

no reports that it affects it

[forest hare]

if so getting rn, really like the Optimum sound, but want it abit quieter

[dapper hazel]

same with the films

[forest hare]

nice, thanks for the help bruv

more questions ahahah, is it worth lubing the lekker v2 45?

the switches ahve more pinger sound actually then the stabs keys which are thockier

so I think stabs arent even worth lubing

[polar girder]

Thanks for sharing.

[tawdry tree]

Interesting. I missed the stream but I’ll rewatch it later.

[polar girder]

But wait. Module got a refresh?

[tawdry tree]

A silent update seems like.

[polar girder]

Dang bro I’m so obsolete

[tawdry tree]

Where’s the 60HE+Max 😭😭

[polar girder]

I’ll just wait for 8k version

[glacial wind]

I wonder if this applies to the pcb in assembled 60he+ too

Since they use same pcb but with different plate and stabs

[forest hare]

bruh when?

wtf fffff

[glacial wind]

Guess I’ll check on the unit I have coming Monday

[forest hare]

I just bought a Optimum full kit with a 60HE+ and now they updating the board

bruv momentus dudes

[glacial wind]

It’s been updated for awhile

[stray tiger]

I believe it was part of the 60HE+ update months ago. Not a new/recent change.

[glacial wind]

At least that’s what Calder said

[stray tiger]

yeah

[glacial wind]

Yeah see what thockfather said

[forest hare]

ah then all good

[glacial wind]

So is 60he+ already running 0.1rt?

[stray tiger]

@polar girder sold some skins on CS and bought a new T side knife

[forest hare]

I do want 8k version

[forest hare]

waht does 0.1rt means

[stray tiger]

No, the firmware change hasnt been released yet

[glacial wind]

Ah okay

[glacial wind]

Calder said 0.1rt is coming

[forest hare]

and what does it do?

[glacial wind]

And that they had a stable build of it

[forest hare]

makes the keyboard vibrate?

ahaha

[glacial wind]

It’s 0.15 rapid trigger min right now

[sacred elm]

rn its 0.15 rapid trigger

[glacial wind]

So it’s 0.1 will be new minimum

[sacred elm]

it will be 0.1, and potentially less than that in future

[glacial wind]

I am curious to see if they can enable sub 0.1 when they add switch selector and have ttc magneto switches in it

[stray tiger]

If you guys recal (or if you were around) it wasnt always .15 but there were concerns with max LED brightness and trying to run below .15 so they made some changes.

[sacred elm]

yea it was 0.1 right? and they changed it to 0.15

[stray tiger]

They also locked max LED brightness with tachyon

[forest hare]

ah very dope nice nice, not an insane diff. but its a performance gain anyways

[sacred elm]

yea I remember that

but when it was 0.1 it wasnt actually 0.1

[glacial wind]

I’d like to see 0.05 but only enabled if you have more stable switches installed maybe

[sacred elm]

so they changed it to 0.15, which is more accurate

[sacred elm]

do you think 0.05 will be usable with jade pros?

[glacial wind]

Pro are rated to 0.02, at least that’s what they claim

[sacred elm]

ah, so should be fine, although i dont plan to use 0.05 lol

if they ever add it via firmware update

[glacial wind]

And jade gaming, ttc magneto are rated to 0.01 according to their marketing

[stray tiger]

I think once you get below .1 you start to get accuracy issues either way. .05 is such a small variance that any fluctuation, jitter, wobble, etc etc could cause issues

[glacial wind]

Yeah I know the Chinese boards that allow it won’t even allow you to set those settings unless you have magnetos installed for example

They lock you at 0.1 or whatever if you don’t

[stray tiger]

Yeah I saw that and even then I saw some people report bad actuations

[timber eagle]

Will the 0.1 RT be available on the 60HE+?

[sacred elm]

Yes

[glacial wind]

That’s the plan yeah

They haven’t pushed it out yet though

[timber eagle]

So it's just a firmware update right?

[sacred elm]

wait, what about old 60he lol

[sacred elm]

yep

[timber eagle]

Not something to do with the specs

Okay that's cool

[stray tiger]

Its days like this when I remember how much I miss hanging out in here. Work has been crazy but Ive got the day off today for the holiday

Yeah Im going to yank the PCB out of my Salvation build and put it in the Optimum. Was going to stream on twitch but will do it in discord

[untold wigeon]

it already is?

[tawdry tree]

Isn’t.

It was a long time ago.

[sacred elm]

its 0.15 for now

[untold wigeon]

Huh

I’m sure I have set mine at 0.1

[sacred elm]

no

[untold wigeon]

Nvm

It’s this thing

lol

[sacred elm]

[untold wigeon]

I got confused

What should I set this as

Normally for wasd

[edgy panther]

i go 0.1 actuation wasd and 0.15 rapid trigger

[sacred elm]

same

[untold wigeon]

Ok

[edgy panther]

8288754dd448784e92e35fd804824f6a06c7 , try this, if you play valorant/cs2

it's perfect (at least for my preference

[untold wigeon]

Thx

[dreamy drum]

finding a good pair of pudding keycaps is like finding a needle in a haystack when you're not even sure if there's a needle in the first place

i honestly wanted a set so bad when i was first buying keycaps -- as i looked at more and more photos I started to notice a little shadow of the switch stem shine through the pudding on some of the sides of the keycaps. That plus it being like impossible to find a decent set (personally wanted pbt cherry profile & pudding) just eventually turned me away

[stray tiger]

There is no needle with pudding keycaps

[dreamy drum]

😂 exactly my point haha, just a big haystack

[stray tiger]

Its the same with trying to find quality shine through keycaps and then trying to find them in cherry profile

[dreamy drum]

oh dear i forgot about that struggle too 😭

[dreamy drum]

biting the damn bullet of not finding a set and just buying something opaque really hurt my soul but the cherry pbt was worth it

[fluid ravine]

When will you do it?

Mines arriving later today

[stray tiger]

I already did. Took like 2min.

[fluid ravine]

Oh SOB

Lmao I just woke up

[stray tiger]

The PCB in the Salavation had Neo Lavendars in it so you already know whats those sound like.

[fluid ravine]

12:54pm 😌

[fluid ravine]

Ah indeed

[marsh saffron]

X-ray is my needle in the haystack

They are so good looking

So glad I didn't go for WoB

And waited for x-ray

[stray tiger]

Yeah I like that set. About to move it to another board later today

[marsh saffron]

My set arrives hopefully late Dec

[stray tiger]

@fluid ravine Im going to toss the Optimum keycaps on it if you want to hear it. Lmk and Ill stream in discord

[fluid ravine]

[fluid ravine]

Chrima present

Santa shall drop it off for you

[stray tiger]

@fluid ravine drop down to voice channel

[hearty gorge]

Can it be soldered back?

They just fell off when I swapped the switches

[hearty gorge]

yeh

how so? can I just solder it back or schould i buy new one?

I am pretty sure they are soldered, the other leds are soldered and I saw tutorials on how to repair one or switch the leds, I just want to ask if they will connect properly and work bcs the fallen leds pins broke from them

as you can see the leds are supposed to have the pins with we are supposed to solder on them, mine doesn't have them 😦

No, the leds have been broken when I swapped the switches, idk how they broke and fell, I just did it with care so I don't break something

Here a proper image, with as you can see that it broke off

[fluid ravine]

@stray tiger gmk vior? Is it a type of shade of red or nah

Cant remember on the top of my head but I'm recalling from Dave's board

[stray tiger]

The color match on the Optimum case/caps is for real. Looks great together.

[fluid ravine]

Oh shoot looks better than I thought

[marsh saffron]

Heavily depends on how light hits it though

I've seen some where I genuinely thought people repainted the case

But that's just a plastic vs metal problem, can't really stop that entirely

[stray tiger]

For sure. But with normal light in a top down view, its really good. Way better than I was expecting

[marsh saffron]

Yeah it's in the off angles with sunlight where you notice it

If you have a darker room it'll probably look no different at all

[stray tiger]

And what sweaty gamer chad games in a bright room? Not me!

[brisk vale]

Whats this app?

[agile grove]

the shop app

it kinda sucks sometimes tho

[brisk vale]

I've seen lots of people use it. How exactly does it work? Do you buy items within the app or is it more like a tracking order hub

[agile grove]

the latter

it’s shopify’s app

it just shows you all of your tracking numbers and their current status

it’s pretty useful

but sometimes it’s just completely wrong

[brisk vale]

Sry for these braindead questions, but i dont think this is a popular app in scandinavia? It seems nice to have. So if i buy something from maxgaming, not through the app. Would my order would get added to the apps tracking list?

[marsh saffron]

If you put your email into the app yeah

But in my experience it's almost always extremely delayed or outright wrong

[dark quest]

How's it sound?

[ebon hull]

Which variant of TX AP Long Pole Stabs should I get for 60HE? There's the plate mount version https://divinikey.com/products/tx-ap-long-pole-plate-mount-stabilizers?variant=40481121534017 and there's also this but it also looks like it's plate mount too https://divinikey.com/products/tx-ap-long-pole-stabilizers?variant=40406801317953

Also it only includes 6.25u for space bar and 2u. Where do I find the set that fits 2.25 and 2.75 for Enter and RShift?

[stray tiger]

You dont need long pole stabs for the 60HE 99% of the time.

yeah those are fine too, but also usually not needed to swap the stems

What keycaps are you using? Stock?

[marsh saffron]

Doesn't happen with any amount of force on my stock wooting caps

[stray tiger]

Most quality keycaps wont have any see-sawing, even when gaming.

You can also just use normal stabilizers and put some spacers on them. They are cheap or you can 3d print your own

[marsh saffron]

I should get a 3d printer

[untold wigeon]

jades pro vs jades max?

[stray tiger]

KKB telling everyone to embrace the shine!

[marsh saffron]

Jade pros without a doubt

Maxes are a no go because of the friction issue

[untold wigeon]

why?

ohhh

they are also more expensive

[inner rivet]

anyone running a zinc alloy 80he with ceramic keycaps? i'd love to hear some sound tests with some

[static kernel]

why does my spacebar sound so rattly

its lubed too

could it be the stabs

60HE ^

[mint burrow]

do drunkdeer switches work on wooting? i want to use their silent he switch

https://drunkdeer.com/collections/accessories/products/50-35-pcs-linear-magnetic-switch?variant=50152225112367

[inner rivet]

i've definitely seen people complain about the stabs in general.

[static kernel]

i figured it would be the stabs but i could try lubing the space bar again since these were lubed like almost a year ago already

[untold wigeon]

how silent they are? compared to the gamakay magnetic silent switches?

or compared to lekkers v2?

[mint burrow]

google it pretty silent

sakura switches

[untold wigeon]

also, how do they feel?

[sacred elm]

no

[mint burrow]

they dont? :(

rip

[untold wigeon]

How can i tell if they are compatible or not? 🤦😂

[sacred elm]

those are raesha switches right

[untold wigeon]

What is raesha?

[fluid ravine]

@paper bloom @harsh dove Thank you!!

[paper bloom]

Is cool

[sacred elm]

well, drunkdeer switches arent compatible im sure also they are not that silent.

just get jade pros or geon raws

[jade storm]

what happened

[fluid ravine]

Sickk

[fluid ravine]

Optimum case

[untold wigeon]

Oki 😂 ty

[untold wigeon]

I didnt ask u, do u also have lekkers v2?

[sacred elm]

Yes, but I swapped them

[fluid ravine]

Uh how do I replace the feet @paper bloom

[untold wigeon]

Do u like the feeling or the sound? Lekkers v2 vs jades pro

Or do u like both?

[paper bloom]

Pop the feet from the inside of the case

[fluid ravine]

Fyi for anyone that is wondering
Yes you can friction mount the optimum case with a gummy oring BUT it fits very loosely though

[sacred elm]

lekkers are fine, i just prefer closed bottom switches

[fluid ravine]

Like push it out?

[paper bloom]

Aye

Take it slow tho

You dont want it to fly

[untold wigeon]

Oh oki

[fluid ravine]

It flew

But got it

[quiet bay]

wait u bought the optimum??

i didnt know LOL

[fluid ravine]

Counter did

[quiet bay]

ohh W

[paper bloom]

@fluid ravine nice

[quiet bay]

its bootiful

[fluid ravine]

It indeed is

[paper bloom]

Now the world knows i got it for u

LOOOL

[fluid ravine]

[paper bloom]

[polar girder]

Oh snap

Bro stays upgrading

GG bros

[paper bloom]

Its a hellve of a big ass

Upgrade too

[polar girder]

Bro got the grade

[quiet bay]

This jsut unlocked a memory

[polar girder]

Lolz

[fluid ravine]

HAHA

[paper bloom]

LOL

[polar girder]

Friction fit pad too?

[paper bloom]

Ye

Comes with it

[fluid ravine]

Comes with it yup

[polar girder]

Time for turkeyson to get to chopping

[fluid ravine]

First batch comes with it separately

Second batch and so on will be in the same box with the case

[fluid ravine]

IT'S TIME TO SNIP AND CHOMP BABY

Holy shit

Wait lowkey this makes my board sound so much better

IT'S BRIGHTERRR

[quiet bay]

keyboard case matters!

[paper bloom]

Glad ur enjoying it

One hellve of a upgrade i would say

[fluid ravine]

shi no joke you werent joking holy crap

[paper bloom]

LOOL

[paper bloom]

When i pick my shit usually

Id alrdy know what is an upgrade sometimes

Well this is one of them so enjoy

Glad i got u the case

[copper mesa]

can the yellow lekkers v2 be used with the 60he?

[sacred elm]

yes

[paper bloom]

Yes

[copper mesa]

ty

[paper bloom]

@sacred elm 🤝

[quiet bay]

ermm sound test

[fluid ravine]

What do you want first

I lost my screwdriver

[paper bloom]

He wants everything

[fluid ravine]

I need to put in friction pad

[quiet bay]

oh ur doing it with friction pad? Ithought u were just gonna keep gummy

[fluid ravine]

Ok friction pad sound test then the after modification to friction pad

Hows that

[quiet bay]

👍

[fluid ravine]

Nah it fits pretty loose actually

[paper bloom]

It isnt believe me

The amount of work youll need to get it out

LOOL

[dapper obsidian]

Glorious or HyperX

[quiet bay]

The raw he version of mounting, tight asf

[paper bloom]

Yea

[fluid ravine]

Hmm there's more bass after installing friction pad for some reason

[paper bloom]

Cuz if the bounce

[fluid ravine]

Ok I'll send a sound test

[paper bloom]

Of*

[glass girder]

for the optimum case, for the friction fit pad is it necessary to use the o rings on the standoffs?

oh yeah it's pointless lmao

[paper bloom]

Yea its a lot poppier isnt an issue

[devout totem]

I use them so there's no metal contact on the pcb

[glass girder]

hmm good point

[fossil panther]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YJY6v4Q5ZM

[quiet bay]

ooo middle usb

[devout totem]

Can't wait to get mine! Wonder when it'll ship

[fossil panther]

It was new to me, wasn't sure there will be aftermaket cases at all

[flat cobalt]

My Jade pros are here

[marsh saffron]

Damn that's a bit of a wait for batch 2

[flat cobalt]

Yeah I mean it did go on preorder since the 22nd plenty of time to have jumped on it

[devout totem]

Thanks for the update! So sometime in January for me

[sacred elm]

letsgo

[flat cobalt]

I ordered Geons as well but I’m not getting those until I get my GT80 since I ordered them together

[sacred elm]

do u like them

[quiet bay]

my raws went back to square one

[flat cobalt]

Haven’t tried them yet :c won’t be able to until 3 nights from now since I work

[fossil panther]

Is it an unpopular opinion to not like the sound of Aluminium cases?
I had a Q1 HE before and now ordered a ABS 80HE

[polar girder]

Nah that’s chill

I think a lot of aluminum obsession is weight and $$ copium

[fossil panther]

Dont get the weight thing, make sense for a phone or something you have in your hand.
It was just a little bit more anoying to adjust the keyboard on the table

[fluid ravine]

Its

Odd

I'm trying to understand what's wrong hut it's odd

Esp my stabs

[sacred elm]

spacebar 🤢

[fluid ravine]

yup

[fluid ravine]

plate mounts man

[sacred elm]

that thing is pretty bouncy

[fluid ravine]

eh not really

left shift got some ticking

that's random

[sacred elm]

my left shift on 80he stinks

[fluid ravine]

ima put back the alpha silicone

ok maybe not

idk

doesn't sound bad at all

[sacred elm]

spacebar foam for full copium

[fluid ravine]

stabs need some work

or a upgrade

nah im not a big fan of spacebar foam

plus it aint even hollow or anything like that

it just sounds weak cus the stabs aren't even bottoming out

using raws with normal tx ap

[forest hare]

nah its not pointless you want it to not have pcb in contact with metal

I just placed them cause why not

[stray tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-drink-kid-pinky-out-classy-gif-4995358

[fluid ravine]

nooo not this again 😭

[sacred elm]

[harsh dove]

Hell yeah bro, W

[restive gulch]

Anyone know a good clear keycap set for Wooting 80HE?

Standard cherry profile ^

[polar girder]

You want my clear knight stabs?

They not long pole tho

[fluid ravine]

i have normal 60he

[polar girder]

Ah

Right

[stone flax]

[tidal frigate]

Xray keycaps

[fluid ravine]

man i cant do anything about it :(

i decided to keep in the silicone for the alphas

made my stabs sound better

[stone flax]

[fluid ravine]

NOO IS THIS GG?

[sacred elm]

[fluid ravine]

Seesaw effect

For reduce travel switch with normal stabs

i've seen worst

this is not that bad

can't rn

parents

¯_(ツ)_/¯

im still a young kid yknow

youngling

and they're sold out in divinikeys for me

[stone flax]

try clingwrap mod

[fluid ravine]

the what now

[stone flax]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uV-tnLRgjHg

this should work on some extent m

[fluid ravine]

oh right

[stone flax]

jam plastic wrap in

[fluid ravine]

that mod

[stone flax]

to cut some of that gap

[glacial wind]

Time for geon stem spacers

[fluid ravine]

divinikeys out of stock D:

[glacial wind]

This is why I have the stem spacers in spare just in case lol

although I’ve never actually had the wobble happen before

[languid summit]

where can i find 80he cases

[fluid ravine]

On wooting's official website

or if you want a 3rd party 80he case you can look at the GT-80 from KBDfans

[random hull]

interesting, can you ever get that out tho

might be difficult?

[fluid ravine]

yes

with tweezers

[random hull]

ah hmm

[fluid ravine]

i have done this mod before without a reason

but i've never really know why

kinda

[stone flax]

not at all

[random hull]

i should try it on my noisy gx1

[stone flax]

if u have tweezers or anything akin

too ez

[random hull]

maybe it does something

[stone flax]

this only fixes problem stemming from loose keycap to switch stem tolerances

[urban harbor]

yeah i have never bothered with spacers, just jam plastic wrap in there and it'll be fine

[rough hornet]

ahhhh my brain

[mint burrow]

they are silent, if you click the link they released new silent ones.

[sacred elm]

they are called silent but they are not

lol

maybe get jade silent genty, but they arent that silent either

[tropic urchin]

They really need to rebrand those switches as Quiet Jades

Jade silent genty is a terrible name

And false advertising 🤣

[honest nacelle]

You didn't read what I said - I just explained how distance is calculated for the 3.5mm switches. It's still 40 steps but not the same step distance

[honest nacelle]

They are

The drunkdeer/raesha silent switches are actually silent

Well, 'silent' more in line with typical mechanical silent

I can take one apart for you if u want

[sacred elm]

Ah nvm then, i thought it was one of those fake "silent" switches

[honest nacelle]

That's only genty iirc

For now

[honest nacelle]

It's rail silent with no stem bottom out

Silicone dampeners

[sacred elm]

Interesting

[stone flax]

i have them

they are

[hollow dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCiMlVxNWKk This at 10:55?

[sacred elm]

no those are different

[knotty iron]

what do you guys think about the designerstudio adaptive PCB mount stabs on wooting boards

[sleek wagon]

Is there any he switches that actually sound good yet or are we still stuck with raws???

[sacred elm]

jade pro / raws

[sleek wagon]

Have both, both sound shit unfortunately

was hoping there was something new and actually good in my absence

[stray tiger]

Might not be the switches my man

[sleek wagon]

Haven't heard any build in here that sounds as good as a regular modded mechanical keyboard lol

[stray tiger]

Ive heard a few. There have been a lot of good builds recently. Hell I built one a few days ago that's as good or better than some of my custom MX builds

[fluid ravine]

specs on your $700 build wooting

i forgor

[stray tiger]

yeah that one. Iron160 HE

[fluid ravine]

what plate?

[stray tiger]

PP

w/ raws

[fluid ravine]

ah everything is clicking now

[stray tiger]

it's clacking now (fixed it for you)

[fluid ravine]

zanku

[tawdry tree]

That’s what I was talking about and said though. Possible resolution is higher on a 3.3mm switch than it is on a 4.0mm switch for Wooting’s boards. On shorter switches, the distance between steps is less so overall “step density”(😄) is higher. I know the closer the magnet is to the sensor, the more accurate it is. The live travel in Wootility V5 shows that quite well.

[honest nacelle]

that is not how this works

sensor resolution != step density

[tawdry tree]

Also did not say that. On shorter switches, is the step density higher?

On Wooting’s boards.*

[honest nacelle]

sure, yea

[tawdry tree]

That’s what I said.

[honest nacelle]

more steps per mm

[tawdry tree]

and my point was.

[honest nacelle]

Possible resolution is higher on a 3.3mm switch than it is on a 4.0mm switch for Wooting’s boards.

[tawdry tree]

Sensor resolution is not what I meant with possible resolution.

[honest nacelle]

you're making less and less sense

[tawdry tree]

Other wise I wouldn’t have said for Wooting’s boards.

[honest nacelle]

what is the distinction between them

sensor res and possible res

[tawdry tree]

You thought I was talking about sensor resolution.

[honest nacelle]

okay, then resolution of what

[tawdry tree]

Possible res is all the points at which you can set the actuation point.

[honest nacelle]

yea no

[tawdry tree]

Well that is what I said.

and that is true.

[honest nacelle]

sure

you can believe that

[tawdry tree]

alright.

[honest nacelle]

your "possible res"

is just travel dist/40

and it only changes depending on the total travel of the switch

[tawdry tree]

It was relevant because if Wooting doesn’t have a dynamic deadzone, the deadzone could be smaller on shorter switches.

[tawdry tree]

wouldn’t have said for Wooting’s boards if I was talking about sensors in general man. 😕

what would the correct term be?

step density?

[honest nacelle]

I'll get to this later, but its wrong

[honest nacelle]

likely step distance or step density

[tawdry tree]

alright.

[honest nacelle]

the deadzone is not in any way dependent on the switch distance

setting a 0.1mm upstroke

will be 0.1/4.0mm or approx 0.085/3.5mm

depending on switch travel

and current calculation

[honest nacelle]

the deadzone also is only affected by stem (and therefore magnet) wobble

wobble causes flux variance and the 'dynamic deadzone' just adjusts to compensate for that flux variance/stem wobble

nothing more to it

[tawdry tree]

If you limited the travel of a switch with a washer for example, do you think the bottom out deadzone would adjust accordingly to the now earlier bottom out?

[honest nacelle]

yes

[tawdry tree]

alright, I’ll try that later today.

[honest nacelle]

try it for what reason

[tawdry tree]

Previously this wasn’t the case (on the 60HE pre-Wootility V5). Simon implemented a fix for people that used O-Rings (as a byproduct limiting their travel and becoming unstable and bottom out iirc). On the 80HE with the latest firmware, that fix has been change or removed so perhaps now it works like that.

That’s what I’ll try and see what the result is.

[honest nacelle]

🤓 the reason o-rings were unsable is because orings are not hard

they'll shorten the overall travel and soften the bottom out by cushioning the impact

and so the lack of replicable distance is why it would break some things

just making the autocal more aggressive would fix it

[tawdry tree]

Unstable to that point? A dynamic deadzone would account for wobble but couldn’t for O-Ring jitter?

Jitter/squishyness, whatever you want to call it.

[honest nacelle]

orings don't jitter

they squish

magnetic flux variance is always going to be different

there is nothing like it in nature

[tawdry tree]

I can understand noise is filtered out but actual wobble would seems to me, extremely difficult to adjust for.

[honest nacelle]

wobble gets catgerised as noise

whether or not you understand it is moot point

[tawdry tree]

to test if wobble has any effect on deadzone, you’d need the same setup as in the original video and increase/decrease the wobble of a specific switch and see the before and after results right?

[honest nacelle]

what

[tawdry tree]

better now?

[honest nacelle]

sure

but its going to prove me right

and you can spend your money trying to prove it

idk why you think I'm wrong

[tawdry tree]

I won’t if it’s an arm and a leg.

[honest nacelle]

look, you lack the necessary understanding of the technology to be making assumptions, and I've provided answers in a theory that for some reason you seem intent on finding issues with and/or proving me wrong. idek what your theory is but if you don't have one then you have no reason to be so critical of mine

[tawdry tree]

because of all the switches I tested (using Wooting’s analog monitor), there wasn’t any difference between KS-20s and stem swapped Raptors which have drastically less wobble. Switches with weaker magnets that reached the compensation stage (I don’t know what else to call it) had quite a big deadzone regardless of wobble.

[honest nacelle]

yes but wooting's "analog monitor" doesn't show flux values, or numbers past 0.X

I have access to the raw flux values, and 0.0x precision

and I've also provided a theory that explains everything

[tawdry tree]

It shows changes in distance and a deadzone of 0.3mm would show.

[honest nacelle]

with what

stem swapped raptors still have wobble

[glacial wind]

also top wobble is very different from bottom wobble fyi

[tawdry tree]

from that video, switches with box stems or less wobble do not all score higher.

That’s the odd differences sno was talking about

[honest nacelle]

dont even start with box stems

box stems dont mean less wobble

[honest nacelle]

yes, there are plenty of different factors

typically if you press straight down and/or are relatively centered any decent switch

including lekkers

shouldn't induce any particularly large fluctuation

[tawdry tree]

it’s sno’s argument and it’s accurate, the switches in the video with box stems have significantly less wobble at bottom out. I agree with him on that hence the discussion about the cause.

[honest nacelle]

also that being said the Hemu display is after the algo application

[tawdry tree]

alright

[glacial wind]

D's explaining that box stem doesn't equal good box stem

[honest nacelle]

^

moyu knigths for eg

box stem but not good tolerances

[tawdry tree]

no but it doesn’t “explain everything” as he put it.

[glacial wind]

not every box stem equals good tolerances

look I know you hate admitting that something isn't sure, but it's a bit absurd the lengths you're going over this just to try disprove this theory

you don't have to say it's right, but I don't see where this constant line of trying to build hubble space telescopes is going in some weird pursuit to avoid just saying "that's an interesting theory, maybe it's right in parts?"

[tawdry tree]

I’m saying the same thing you said to me. It doesn’t explain everything. I don’t say I don’t know nor does he.

[glacial wind]

this isn't some score card where you need to assert you're more correct than he is or vice versa

[honest nacelle]

so far I've answered every question you've had and you're just trying to create odd scenarios in order to try and disprove my theory

adding a washer to reduce travel achieves what?

shorter travel?

cool, we know that autocal takes care of that

o-rings causing issues? tweak autocal aggressiveness and we good again

[tawdry tree]

Not at all. I’m saying that dynamic deadzone falls within 0.1 and doesn’t account for wobble. That’s what I’ve seen.

[tawdry tree]

I explain why I asked that.

[glacial wind]

but i don't think either of you have measured deadzone though have you?

so I don't know where this debate is coming from or why

[honest nacelle]

not on a wooting

[tawdry tree]

With the setup shown in the video, no.

[honest nacelle]

I have measure it on my rakka

[glacial wind]

we don't have the information so I don't know what you're trying to disprove

you don't have any data that says D's theory is wrong because you haven't measured deadzone at all anyway

[tawdry tree]

D knows for sure. I do too.

[honest nacelle]

what

[glacial wind]

oh god... not this again

okay I'm out

[tawdry tree]

do you know for sure?

[honest nacelle]

know what

[tawdry tree]

..

dynamic deadzone adjusts accordingly to stem wobble.

[honest nacelle]

yes, that's something I taught you

that's also something sno appears to agree with

[tawdry tree]

You don’t say you don’t know.

that’s sno’s point when arguing with me.

[glacial wind]

what?

[tawdry tree]

that’s what you’ve been saying from start to finish brother.

[glacial wind]

D is saying he has a theory that seems to make sense, not that he knows 100% that this is the cause but that this is what his guess is

no one 'knows for sure'

[tawdry tree]

he says he knows for a fact.

[tawdry tree]

?

[honest nacelle]

sure, as far as I'm concerned its fact

sicne its a working theory and it has explained everything thus far

[tawdry tree]

Exactly.

[honest nacelle]

if either someone who has worked on it corrects me, data gets produced to disprove me, OR something else outright disproves me

it changes what I deem fact

[tawdry tree]

Exactly!

[glacial wind]

i'm confused at what point aligner is making now

[honest nacelle]

likewise if say sno produces a better theory that better explaisn everything i'm inclined to believe what he says is fact

[glacial wind]

is this just an ego thing?

[calm pulsar]

doesnt Aligner just want to do the things you've mentioned in this case?

[honest nacelle]

yea it might be

[honest nacelle]

he's trying

or ight

might

i don't think he will tbh

[tawdry tree]

It’s more similar than different. You’re telling me I don’t know and I can’t say that I don’t know. Nor does he. A personal fact perhaps.

[honest nacelle]

just arguing for argument's sake

[tawdry tree]

I never did

[honest nacelle]

you missed my last point - if someone else proposes a better theory that's the one I will go with

[glacial wind]

are you now angry that I'm believing D's theory might be closer to the point than yours or something? I don't get it.

[tawdry tree]

I don’t know how else I can explain my reasoning honestly.

[honest nacelle]

what reasoning

[glacial wind]

What is your theory? so far you've spent all your time trying to disprove D's theory but haven't presented data for your own theory

[tawdry tree]

Not at all, you’re free to believe who ever you like. Point is I’m making to you is, what you said previously “You just don’t say you don’t know” is exactly what D does here as well.

It doesn’t matter but be consistent in that if you will.

[glacial wind]

yeah because D has a working theory that fits the evidence so far

your theory had no evidence fitting it and you refused to give any evidence beyond "trust me"

[tawdry tree]

you believe what you choose.

[honest nacelle]

sure, but if I don't know, don't understand the subject well enough, or get disproven by available data then I'll say "I don't know" because I don't have a working theory that fits the data

[glacial wind]

i'm still waiting for you to give a working theory with any data backing it beyond "I know"

[tawdry tree]

I have numerous times, you’re free to read back if it’s in your interest.

[glacial wind]

i have. Link me to your data

because it's not there

[honest nacelle]

link ur theory to me too cuz I haven't seen it and have only seen you try to disprove me unsuccessfully

[tawdry tree]

As do I which I’ve explained numerous times.

[honest nacelle]

but you dont have a working theory that fits the data

[glacial wind]

your theory at best was auto cal wasn't working well and that gateron lied or is wrong with their specs, neither of which I found very convincing to explain the data

[tawdry tree]

^

[glacial wind]

yeah but that doesn't explain the data we have

[tawdry tree]

^

[honest nacelle]

wheres that one chart showing deadzone and stability

[glacial wind]

saying there's constantly a slight variation in magnet strength and mold tolerances for EVERY example seems statistically unprobable

which is why it doesn't fit the data we have

especially when we have no data that says this

[tawdry tree]

I wouldn’t consider that any different that D’s theory which would show all switches with the least amount of wobble as the top, which it doesn’t.

[hollow dagger]

I hope you guys got what you wanted from this

[glacial wind]

but the switches with the least wobble are at the top?

[tawdry tree]

Two different ways to go about it, but it’s whatever.

[honest nacelle]

I'm not

:c

[tawdry tree]

alright.

[ionic breach]

wiredin malding at discount codes not working

no wonder he and many others like wooting doesnt do them

[hollow dagger]

because this debate extended to a point where it feels like it's unnecessary.

[glacial wind]

and end of the day I don't know if D's theory is 100% right even, just that it fits the data more than aligners which relies on more statistically low things

i don't get this obsession about trying to go tit for tat about what parts could potentially be more wrong/more right when there's no actual data backing it

[honest nacelle]

@glacial wind hopefully I get the jade pros before I leave for holiday, but if I do I'll do create a public sheet with avg'd test data for flux variance, mm variance at top and bottom with all the HE switches I have

[tawdry tree]

that’s fine, you’re free to believe whichever theory seems more likely to you.

[honest nacelle]

will have lekker v1, raptor he, raw he, jade, jade pro, lekker v2

and maybe raesha if I can get it working

[hollow dagger]

then go to the lab do some testing. You have conflicting theories that can easily debunked by scientific results

[glacial wind]

exactly.

like I don't get this trying to pick apart the other persons guess just to prove they might be wrong and somehow that makes you more right

[honest nacelle]

I told him the same - I'm open to getting disproven but come with something that backs you aside from just words

[glacial wind]

just go test your theory

[hollow dagger]

Exactly, I mean at this point it's just arguing for the sake of arguing

[tawdry tree]

As am I, we’re not that different.

[honest nacelle]

no, we are

[tawdry tree]

sure

[hollow dagger]

If it's worth hours of argument, it should be worth experimenting.

[honest nacelle]

its only gone on this long because he refuses to abandon his theory

[tawdry tree]

That’s what you want?

[glacial wind]

I'd be happy to see any data for aligners theory if he has it

[honest nacelle]

^

[tawdry tree]

Arguing for the sake of arguing. Well..

[honest nacelle]

honestly idc

but if you're gonna spend all this time trying to disprove my theory to make yours the most likely theory at least come with some data or something else to either disprove my theory or prove yours indisputably correct

take your pick

[tawdry tree]

I shared the difference in magnet strength caused by magnet and mold tolerances, that didn’t seem worth much to you tho.

[honest nacelle]

because its not worth much in general???? magnet strength has nothing to do with mold tolerances

[glacial wind]

but that wasn't to do with the theory

[honest nacelle]

mold tolerances directly affect stability and not magnet strength

[glacial wind]

just sharing random data of 1 switch doesn't tell us anything or prove anything for the theory

[honest nacelle]

magnet strength is magnet strength - for all intents effectively a constant

[tawdry tree]

Magnet strength at bottom out. Have you even seen what I’m talking about?

[glacial wind]

especially not when these results are averaged from multiple switches

[tawdry tree]

Alright!

[honest nacelle]

yes magnet strength at bottom out is dictated by travel distance

[tawdry tree]

👍

[tawdry tree]

If that changes if the bottom of the switch is slightly thinner for example, of if the stem is slightly longer.

[honest nacelle]

sure, but that's not mold tolerances

that's just mold

[tawdry tree]

true

Jade’s travel are 3.5 +/-0.2mm, that’d be just tolerances?

[hollow dagger]

@calm pulsar Just built my jade knights with jade pros!

[honest nacelle]

manufacturing tolerance sure

mold tolerance normally means tolerance between the parts

[hollow dagger]

sounds amazing even with FR4 plate

[honest nacelle]

but I'll make that distinction for the sake of thsi argument again

[tawdry tree]

I agree.

Outemu Pink/White initial: 482, 478, 466
Outemu Pink/White end: 5080, 5066, 5033

Teamwolf Light Wind initial: 715, 711, 725, 722, 711
Teamwolf Light Wind end: 5596, 5584, 5582, 5660, 5594

Latenpow Strawberry V2 initial: 957, 945, 958, 968, 971
Latenpow Strawberry V2 end: 5864, 5860, 5879, 5893, 5903

Latenpow White initial: 979, 984, 967, 968, 968,
Latenpow White end: 6872, 6872, 6862, 6862, 6866

Latenpow Strawberry initial: 966, 970, 972, 982, 954
Latenpow Strawberry end: 6853, 6861, 6862, 6866, 6845

Outemu Pink/Beige initial: 989, 995, 985, 971, 968
Outemu Pink/Beige end: 6822, 6826, 6817, 6815, 6809

Geon Raptor HE initial: 965, 967, 979, 961, 968
Geon Raptor HE end: 5884, 5880, 5888, 5876, 5889

Geon Raw HE initial: 907, 929, 909, 927, 922
Geon Raw HE end: 5554, 5570, 5552, 5588, 5589

MoyuStudio Black Knight initial: 763, 750, 742, 750, 744
MoyuStudio Black Knight end: 5654, 5649, 5654, 5652, 5636

Kailh Mistral initial: 590, 593, 586, 583, 584
Kailh Mistral end: 4413, 4434, 4387, 4235, 4284

Kailh Flame initial: 594, 592, 610, 601, 600
Kailh Flame end: 4356, 4312, 4545, 4396, 4320

KS-20 W (new) initial: 901, 887, 887, 889, 888
KS-20 W (new) end: 5791, 5787, 5774, 5782, 5772

Lekker (new) initial: 869, 873, 861, 884, 859
Lekker (new) end: 5723, 5724, 5720, 5736, 5741

KS-20 W initial: 885, 882, 905, 883, 860
KS-20 W end: 5777, 5744, 5789, 5790, 5754

KS-20 O initial: 865, 864, 846, 865, 859
KS-20 O end: 5780, 5738, 5764, 5758, 5770

KS-20U W initial: 772, 765, 760, 769, 757
KS-20U W end: 5776, 5772, 5762, 5768, 5758

KS-20U O initial: 669, 673, 653, 642, 660
KS-20U O end: 5601, 5595, 5587, 5549, 5606

KS-20T initial: 1179, 978, 961, 1198, 1170
KS-20T end: 5689, 5552, 5575, 5683, 5714

KS-20T P initial: 957, 954, 953, 949, 955
KS-20T P end: 5450, 5435, 5447, 5465, 5435

Hejin Teal initial: 729, 727, 714, 716, 734
Hejin Teal end: 5710, 5711, 5710, 5706, 5734

Hejin Yellow initial: 728, 715, 721, 728, 716
Hejin Yellow end: 5736, 5725, 5710, 5742, 5721

The slight variation between recolored switches I presumed to be because of manufacturing tolerances and magnet strength tolerances.

[glacial wind]

okay so you've posted the data of the following switches magnetic flux

[tawdry tree]

Logically that’d make sense.

[glacial wind]

now how does this relate to your theory about the chart

[hollow dagger]

Where did you get this? is this publicly available?

[glacial wind]

it's from his testing

[tawdry tree]

^

that’s the point I was making.

[hollow dagger]

jeez didn't know people are very passionate about these things

I just wanted my keyboard to clack

[tawdry tree]

haha

[glacial wind]

yes but how does this relate to the data we have

[honest nacelle]

go jades and cf plate

[calm pulsar]

ohhh so what is your end switch? what exact parts

[glacial wind]

all that data dump shows is that magnets have a variance and they tell us this on the page even with +- numbers

[hollow dagger]

I heard CF plate clacks the most, it doesn't have much character?

[honest nacelle]

I like cf plates but they do clack a lot

not as thin sounding as alu

[hollow dagger]

raw stem, BK top, jade pro spring and bottom

[honest nacelle]

less meaty sounding than fr4

[calm pulsar]

CF is dense so it is brighter than plastics

[hollow dagger]

almost the same as yours if I'm not wrong?

[tawdry tree]

it shows that even switches with supposedly the same travel and the same magnet strengths KS-20Us and Lekker V1s can show different results regardless of wobble.

[calm pulsar]

yeah fr4 is probably my least favorite when it comes to denser plates

[glacial wind]

yes but how does this relate to the chart

[calm pulsar]

ohh nice, so how do you like it?

[honest nacelle]

yes, within publicly noted leeway

[calm pulsar]

first time someone else builds this 😄

[hollow dagger]

idk how you fit yours into the plate, it's a very tight fit

[glacial wind]

we already know that all magnets and switches have variance to a level

[hollow dagger]

but it does

[glacial wind]

eg - they tell us the variance

[calm pulsar]

yeah it also depends on the plate, but after installing the switch is even tighter I feel like

[flat cobalt]

Soon it’ll be me as well

[hollow dagger]

wanted to try them myself after you sent your sound clips. Sounds very dreamy even with FR4 imo.

[honest nacelle]

fr4 is probs my #1 fav plate material ngl

[tawdry tree]

That’s my explanation for why the Lekkers and KS-20Us show a different result, that’s what you wanted to know.

[honest nacelle]

cf 2nd

[hollow dagger]

Once you're done just be very careful fitting on the plate. I busted one of my BK tops sadly

[glacial wind]

what? No we want to know why box stems tend to perform better

[flat cobalt]

Wwowoow I’ll keep that in mind thank you

[glacial wind]

or why stability is a factor

[tawdry tree]

You did in the message I linked, that’s what I’m referring to and that’s why I brought it up.

[glacial wind]

so is your theory still that on every chart the ks20u and lekkers perform different solely due to variance every time?

[tawdry tree]

I also explained my reasoning for that. It’s because they’re shorter travel switches.

[glacial wind]

but then why do the jade pros perform worse

[tawdry tree]

The wobble of both is quite similar.

[honest nacelle]

but how does less travel in any way correlate with better performance? the only performance benefit to be gained from differing switches is with tolerances and having less wobble/more stability

[tawdry tree]

V1-V1.5- KS-20Us.

[glacial wind]

jade pros are also shorter travel

[hollow dagger]

And I also agree with the sentiments @calm pulsar, the bottom out sound is not that much different, but top out is dreamy though!

[calm pulsar]

for me its alu I think
fr4 is like bright and clack, but also has some of the frequencies that I dont like for HE

but its also in the frog mini for me so it might be different in other cases

[tawdry tree]

Because calibration is different.

That’s my theory.

[calm pulsar]

yeah the idea is to have jade bottom out with snappier topout

[honest nacelle]

but it isn't? autocal treats all switches the same by deriving its "range" from values from top out and bottom out

[calm pulsar]

well not the "idea" but it just seems that way 😄

with the BK top

[honest nacelle]

I think its just a tray mount thing

frog mini is great esp on tadpoles

[hollow dagger]

yea idk how you came out with this. I enjoy it very much. Thank you for sharing!

[honest nacelle]

but I feel like it still sounds very similar to tray mount

[calm pulsar]

yeah which is why im waiting for a new case to try out gummy oring mounting, proper one

[honest nacelle]

you should also try the 461e mounting

that's surprisingly good

[calm pulsar]

oh I would but I kinda don't like the looks of 461e haha
but the mounting is interesting and it seems similar to 80he for me

[hollow dagger]

In my case, the switch is a little heavy to the press, my guess is because of the bk top and the jade bottom fitting causing the raw stem to be a tad tighter, but I'm slowly getting used to it.

[flat cobalt]

How’s this? My friend is thinking of getting it https://www.melgeek.com/products/made68-pro

[honest nacelle]

good board

easy recommend

[hollow dagger]

@flat cobalt just something to keep in mind

[calm pulsar]

yeah it can be that way, but for me it has become smoother in time as lube set in and also the switch itself breaking in

[tawdry tree]

On the 60HE, full travel switches, it treated all switches as shorter travel until a switch exceeds the Jade’s flux value at bottom out. So recalibrated the board (unplug replug), and pressed a Lekker to 3.3mm or so, it would show 4.0mm in analog monitor, then if you continued to press it, its total travel would be updated in real time.

That’s calibration during use.

[honest nacelle]

yes

that's called autocalibration

and if you leave it for a little bit

[calm pulsar]

actually the original version of the frankenswitch was with the gateron stem and it was so tight that in some cases the switch didnt return after pressing @hollow dagger

[honest nacelle]

and/or play with it and hold the switch at bottom out

it'll adjust and correct itself properly

[calm pulsar]

so there is a degree of scuffiness with frankenswitches

[tawdry tree]

This is only for switches with a magnet strength the same or stronger than that of Lekkers. Switches with weaker magnets never calibrated in real time like that and they’d only actuation until 3.25mm or so in analog monitor.

[honest nacelle]

you're just spouting words without meaning

[glacial wind]

doesn't deep calibration fix this?

aka once the deep calibration happens there is no longer the compensation jump

[tawdry tree]

Giving an example that there’s more to it. Not just dynamic deadzone for wvery and all switches, magnet strengths plays a role. You think a little/no role at all I believe, I think a very big role.

Does that make sense?

[tawdry tree]

No.

[glacial wind]

i recall testing it again when my 80he arrived and it would do the compensation jump, but after warming up in valorant etc i'd re-check analog monitor and it didn't do the compensation jump anymore

i think you might be mistaken here

it jumps at first until it does the deep calibration for the keys you used enough

and iirc simon improved it recently where it does it way faster now

[tawdry tree]

Raw HE’s specifically experienced funky calibration at first on the 80HE, that jump (I called it compensation stage) was trigger if you pressed really hard, not overtime.

[glacial wind]

but yeah that jump in the graph disappears after deep calibration

[honest nacelle]

magnet strength doesn't play a role in autocal/deadzone compensation because it is a constant

[tawdry tree]

The slight variation in magnet strength and manufacturing tolerances also played a role. Some Raw HEs calibrated properly right away.

[honest nacelle]

magnet strength never changes on the fly

[glacial wind]

there were even a lot of threads about the 3.5mm or whatever jump it was when 80he launched, the simon pushed an update

[tawdry tree]

With the latest firmware it’s completely gone which is pretty neat. All Raw HEs calibrate properly now. Switches with weaker magnets not yet though.

[glacial wind]

yeah what I'm saying is it was also going away before but on keys that you used and it took longer

i know because i have raw he and would check before/after valorant warm up

it wouldn't calibrate properly at first but like 10-15min later it would be calibrated for wasd

[young lantern]

is wooting 60he avr “worse” compared to 60he+ in terms of actuation/rt or is it just different switch magnet variance? my 60he seems to be more sensitive ie more prone to letter spam when on higher actuation than my 60he+

my 60he+ has hand lubed raws tho and my 60he has factory black knights

[tawdry tree]

That’s why I believe my theory to be fact. I’ve seen switches with weaker magnets in analog monitor, the deadzone isn’t existent like it is in the stem swapped lekkers for example.

[glacial wind]

but deep calibration does get rid of the jump though...

even on weaker magnets right now

[tawdry tree]

yeah, that’s why I wanted manual calibration because that’s essentially what you had to do to calibrate all keys properly (manual calibration and calibration during use are similar, most find during use more convenient though).

[tawdry tree]

No, with the latest firmware on the 80HE switches with weaker magnets are still not optimally compatible. Flame & Mistral respectively.

[glacial wind]

is that even after using them a bunch?

flame and mistral also have much weaker magnets than the switches on our chart though like jade pros/gaming/ttc etc

[tawdry tree]

The jump on the latest firmware is gone as well, since the scanning update I believe.

[tawdry tree]

That’s not what I’m arguing, I’m just explaining the difference real quick and what happens. It’s the reason why I don’t think dynamic deadzone calibration happens is because it doesn’t seem to be the case for switches with weaker magnets and Lekker V1s and stem swapped raptors seem to have a identical deadzone which would be odd considering how much their wobble varies.

[glacial wind]

do you have data on the deadzone of lekker v1 and stem swapped raptors?

[tawdry tree]

We’ll end it here and maybe in the future either of us will be disproven.

[glacial wind]

i thought we didn't have any data on that as far as measurements

[tawdry tree]

I tested them on the 60HE a while ago.

[glacial wind]

you have a multimeter setup?

[tawdry tree]

Not talking about the deadzone test in the video, as you know I do not have the equipment to test like that. I’m talking about in analog monitor as I said previously.

[glacial wind]

oh, yeah i'm talking about actual deadzone

as in this gives x deadzone and this gives y deadzone in mm

[tawdry tree]

That’s what I’m talking about and what I base my reason on as I’ve explained. As unlike as it may seem to you, I believe it to be true.

We’ll end it here.

[stray tiger]

I'm going to bed but I see this conversation is still going on. If it's still going on when I wake up, I'm punching throats.

[glacial wind]

they restarted it today i'm more a 3rd party spectator now lol

[tawdry tree]

sure man.

have a good night!

/morning/day

[glacial wind]

man i wish someone had actual data

i need to resub to eyejoker, he might be only one with proper deadzone test info

[uneven cradle]

Classic

Some things remain constant at least

[knotty iron]

what switches are you using in this test

[knotty iron]

i just wish I could read it!!

[fallen pecan]

Just to add, these 3 are in the mad60 line and are all box stems

[glacial wind]

yeah they're really bad box stems though with tons of flex

i've been trying to find if eyejoker had some public switch deadzone test info anywhere, because i recall he had rough ones posted in his discord for some stuff, but I couldn't find anything public

[fallen pecan]

theyre cheap and better than gateron dual rail whites that's in the base model at least

[chilly mural]

Pay sno to read it

[calm pulsar]

it is chinese it seems, but maybe sno knows it 😄

[fallen pecan]

eyejoker's discord is in korean

[glacial wind]

eyejokers finding on the mad60 pro switch was pretty amusing

[tawdry tree]

Kailh Mistral and Flames respectively.

[glacial wind]

it just randomly screws with the input when you change the rt lol

[fallen pecan]

what unit is the horizontal axis in? ms?

[tawdry tree]

All those boards like the Raven61/68, Mad60/68, Battle68 and Fighting68 are the new PCBs by GTech right?

They went from the KS-37 compatible boards like the ATK and Endgame to KS-20 compatible ones.

[glacial wind]

that's mm - he's measuring how much the input changed when the mad60 uses the pro switches at different settings vs. what it was set at

[fallen pecan]

early ATKs

[tawdry tree]

ye

[knotty iron]

is there a reason why there are KS-37 and KS-20 switches

[fallen pecan]

whims of the Gateron overlords

[tawdry tree]

I think because of that LED and sensor combination thingy that was on GTech’s PCBs

it’s probably cheaper than a separate sensor and LED.

[vocal cloud]

Hey there, are you able to help me pick between Lekker 45 vs Lekker 60 switches?

I mainly play fortnite and I don't know which one will be better for me

[fallen pecan]

what switch did you used to use?

[vocal cloud]

Huano Brown Switch

I plan on getting the Nuphy Halo 65 HE, it has the magnetic Jade Pro switches but I'll change some of the switches to the lekker 45/60

[fallen pecan]

bottoms out at 55g, did you enjoy that switch?

[vocal cloud]

yeah pretty good

[fallen pecan]

you're in the middle, so go with your preference, if you'd like a lighter one get 45s

[vocal cloud]

Could you tell me if the Magnetic Jade Pro switches are more familiar to the lekker 45 or lekker 60?

[fallen pecan]

jade pros are 50g bottom outs

lekkers will be slightly lighter

[vocal cloud]

so its closer to the lekker 45?

[fallen pecan]

ye

[craggy cipher]

Where is the original video?

[vocal cloud]

What switch do you think are better, Jade pro or lekker

[fallen pecan]

i like the pros cos they sound better

[glacial wind]

eyejokers youtube

[craggy cipher]

TY！

[vocal cloud]

I'm just confused cause apparently the switches are heavy and you can get finger fatigue in like 2-3 hours

[fallen pecan]

could be due to the longer springs on the pros

but imo the pros are a straight upgrade

[vocal cloud]

I see

[fallen pecan]

as it should

given the price

[vocal cloud]

yeah I saw the pros are much more expensive

[fallen pecan]

BF sales on Ali offsets that a little

[vocal cloud]

thats just temporary so yeah

have you heard of the Nuphy Halo 65 HE?

[fallen pecan]

yes

since im typing on a nuphy air75he

[vocal cloud]

Whats your opinion on it

[vocal cloud]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[fallen pecan]

cheapest board you can get with full jade pros, good software, great package overall

[vocal cloud]

the latency is apparently great as well

[fallen pecan]

too little keys, so i didnt pick that up

latency is fine

[vocal cloud]

im confused, what does that mean

oh

nvm,

I got it

[fallen pecan]

i need the f row in everyday use

[vocal cloud]

Yeah I wish it was a 75 key keyboard, I'd get the halo 75 he but

its design throws me away

specially the buttons at the bottom

[fallen pecan]

you mean the field75

[vocal cloud]

yes yeah that

[fallen pecan]

they dont have plans for a halo75, so i just said fk it and got the air

[vocal cloud]

that cancelled the deal for me

[vocal cloud]

can u tell me whats up with the supposed 2500hz support tho?

like I believe ur keyboard is 8000hz full support

but these ones are 2500

[fallen pecan]

ye mine is dual 8k, the halo has lower scan rate

[vocal cloud]

Isn't that deceiving in a way? Calling that a full 8000hz board whereas it goes up until 2500?

[fallen pecan]

i dont think they specified which 8k

[vocal cloud]

they just say this

Extreme 8khz polling rate

[fallen pecan]

that is technically corect

the polling IS 8k

lemme dig up some latency numbers

[vocal cloud]

Halo 65 HE

air 75 he

[vocal cloud]

sure

[ionic breach]

8k polling refers to what the hardware is rated for

actual performance is different

cos their optimisation can be ass

[vocal cloud]

okay that makes sense in a nutshell

since u know ur keyboards

[ionic breach]

kinda

[vocal cloud]

can u tell me what the best keyboard would be within 150$?

[devout totem]

Nuphy's firmware is a hot mess though

[vocal cloud]

is it? I've only heard good things about it

[fallen pecan]

this is the halo65, 4.54 is downstroke, 1.91 is upstroke on average (ms)

[tawdry tree]

Does Nuphy not have something like Tachyon?

[vocal cloud]

damn

[devout totem]

I've been dealing with dks issues since august to the point that it will lock up

[vocal cloud]

dks?

[fallen pecan]

this is the air60he, 3.87 down, 1.2ms up

[devout totem]

Dynamic Keystroke

[fallen pecan]

i dont use dks so i'm not hitting those issues

[devout totem]

I use it several hours everyday

[vocal cloud]

ah I see

well I dont use it either

but I can see why its an issue for u

can u guys tell me what the best keyboard would be within 150$?

I would get the wooting 80he but in Bangladesh, the keyboards gonna cost me 410$ to bring

[devout totem]

Halo65 HE or used Wooting 60HE

[ionic breach]

just buy local probably

[vocal cloud]

Halo65 HE, I can't get my hand on a wooting keyboard specially in Bangladesh where its basically a delicacy and I can't justify spending 410$ on the wooting 80 HE where I could buy 2 of those for the single price

[ionic breach]

seems like ur tax is high

[vocal cloud]

incredibly

we dont have shit in local

this what we got in local

[ionic breach]

honestly

just buy a nice keyboard

you dont need to buy a gaming one

but up to you

[vocal cloud]

yep respect the advice tho

anyways man, thank you guys all for the help

[tawdry tree]

You could get something cheap like the Raven68, it’s really decent for a $65 board.

[vocal cloud]

I'll look into it, thanks

[knotty iron]

same stuff here in canada

[fallen pecan]

stopped production in china a few months back, right after the fire68 launched

[tawdry tree]

makes sense

[honest nacelle]

dont recommend the halo65

atp just get the air60he

better perf for pretty much the same price

or get a melgeek made68 pro

• Nuphy Air75HE when it goes live

[devout totem]

Halo65 HE is 90USD

[fallen pecan]

never found out where this list came from

[devout totem]

It's good enough for entry level he keyboard

Their firmware is shit but for most non advanced users, it's good enough

[fluid ravine]

well

gg

my wooting keyboard cover dont fit the optimum case

[tawdry tree]

🫡

[devout totem]

Vacuum form a new one

[tawdry tree]

it’ll fill with dust and dampen the sound

[fluid ravine]

guess this will be one of my peripherals that will become dusty

[knotty iron]

and i feel like there is some sort of catch to it but there isnt in the reviewers videos

[fluid ravine]

noooooooooooo

[fluid ravine]

vacuum seal we go

[tawdry tree]

thockson because of dust soon hopefully.

lost to dust

😂

[fluid ravine]

[devout totem]

I guess that will work too

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

[knotty iron]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-hi-pongo-rexy-wow-gif-27007612

[fluid ravine]

that's oddly cursed

[fallen pecan]

https://youtu.be/-W7szd9qi-8?si=pdEZIsh1s0oE69km&t=382 the catch is it sounds like breaking chocolate bars

[glacial wind]

a lot of stuff doesn't fit lol

my carry case doesn't fit it either because it's wider than normal 60%

need to buy a new travel case

[knotty iron]

it sounded good in other reviews, maybe it was the difference between corals and jade pros

[calm pulsar]

nice set

[fallen pecan]

it's good enough for the price

[knotty iron]

i dont doubt it