🔧│keyboard_modding

[kind helm]

i respect mr.sno's patience

man is talking to a wall

[fluid ravine]

oh damn

[glacial wind]

if it was solely from the bottom out then the springs shouldn't have helped you all that much

[spice plover]

that was his last direct msg to me

[calm pulsar]

wait till I get the giga long pole geon switch with 3mm travel

[glacial wind]

i literally clipped the last conversation for you.

aka your issue is due to hard bottom out which is more caused by the 3.4mm travel vs 4mm travel

open bottom/closed bottom does have a tiny effect, but it's not anywhere near the effect of long pole vs normal travel

[spice plover]

why are people even going long pole

and ill test when I get the dark knights in a few days

[ionic breach]

the pain ur having isnt that commen

[glacial wind]

because most people like the shorter travel

yeah this pain thing isn't a common issue. Long poles are literally the majority of all new switches nowadays

[kind helm]

i will wait until you put your 100g spring in them short travel switches

[ionic breach]

i like the shorter travel for the "tactility" which ofc can hurt if that is too much for u

[calm pulsar]

lol these are MX tho

[glacial wind]

again - there's nothing wrong with you having a pain issue, but your experience is unique and the large majority of people have no pain or issues

[calm pulsar]

won't fit

[spice plover]

i mean sure and i dont have a vendetta against RAW HEs just those were the ones 9/10 people here recommended and they werent good. yeah the sound is good but obviously it being long pole and closed bottom was the wrong choice for me. I dont want someone else to go through the same thing as me

when Im gaming i literally have 300+ APM avg on gunz which yes a lot also comes from mouse and thats consistently for hours

[glacial wind]

the reason people arguing with you is because your issue is due to long pole and you saying raw he suck because of that doesn't mean sense when 90% of all switches are long pole

it's totally fine if you have this issue, but it's a very rare issue that doesn't apply to most people

[ionic breach]

its fine just misunderstanding over digital text

[glacial wind]

for example if I take a photo of the top 9 latest switches on kdbfans, 90% of them are shorter travel switches

[fluid ravine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/switchmodders/comments/17e8oik/unpopular_opinion_long_pole_stems_are_the_worst/

lol

[ionic breach]

[glacial wind]

so if you say geon raw he are bad because of long pole you are now saying that all of those switches are bad too

which doesn't make much sense

[fluid ravine]

people in the comments calling this guy weak xd

rip

[kind helm]

i want to say things that would get me banned

[ionic breach]

its not even weak

[fluid ravine]

like xd

[ionic breach]

its the opposite lmao

bro types too hard

[calm pulsar]

sensible comment

[devout totem]

divinikey has discount code? looking at getting the geon raw

[kind helm]

someone said that yesterday and got timed out👀

[fluid ravine]

LMAO REAL

[fluid ravine]

oop-

i said nothing

[kind helm]

thats why i block instead, in case i say too much

[fluid ravine]

idk i loved long poles from the start even before HE

[ionic breach]

u got the lekkers goth?

[fluid ravine]

just me

but i find them satisfying for me to type on

[spice plover]

w.e getting called weak for avg 300+ apm for hours and being more physically fit then 95% of this entire discord community is rich.

[calm pulsar]

lmao this is so true
yesterday I was playing my guitar and reading on discord about people's fingers hurting from keyboard

[supple swan]

anyone know how many keys the 80he has cuz im trying to get the exact amout of geon raw switches

[ionic breach]

get a few more

[spice plover]

tell @kind helm post a picture of himself lets see how strong he is

[glacial wind]

okay we've jumped the shark on this conversation

[ionic breach]

what layout btw?

[fluid ravine]

i remember trying to learn how to play a guitar, that shi hurt like a BITCH

[fluid ravine]

84 for ansi

it's better to get like a few extra just incase

[glacial wind]

yeah no. It's not okay and it makes you look like a weirdo when you start trying to essentially tell people you're cooler and fitter irl

[fluid ravine]

i think 85 for iso

[ionic breach]

get 90 basically

[spice plover]

hes literally calling me weak?

[calm pulsar]

yeah it will for a while, but after a week or two your fingertips become harder and it not only becomess painless but also easier to play

[kind helm]

dont you have that little piece of plastic thingy that you can use 0.0

[fluid ravine]

pick?

i think that's what it's called

[spice plover]

im not on a reddit post im talking and seeing what people say and reacting

[kind helm]

get used to the pain

[ionic breach]

eww i hate picks

[calm pulsar]

this is more about the left hand

[uneven cradle]

I would try to type without bottoming out the keys so much it will prevent issues in the future your fingers can only take so much impact especially as you get older

[fluid ravine]

yeah i wasn't taught with a pick back then as a kid lol

[kind helm]

idk i just see that when i watch people do cover online

me no understand music, no no no sir

[fluid ravine]

broken guitar+no pick

w combo

[glacial wind]

real question gothikx. How do you think it sounds when someone starts challenging people to show how cool and fit they look like irl to win an internet argument? It's really not a good look.

[ionic breach]

arguement aside, just take care of your hands

this really isnt common at all

but ya maybe it should be mentioned more

[spice plover]

its not ima chill but getting called weak by someone that is surely not in good shape , probably looks weird and has little to no social skills other than "clacking" his keyboard like a KB Parrot is wild.

[glacial wind]

you're basically doing the equivalent of the schoolyard "yeah well my dad is richer than your dad" playground nonsense

[spice plover]

so why bring up family wealth in the first place?

[glacial wind]

it's an analogy...

[jaunty ruin]

inbetween the jade pro and geon raw he, is the price difference of the jade pro worth it or am i better off going with geon raw he?

[calm pulsar]

lmao it's funny reading only sno's replies

[glacial wind]

better off going raw he. They're same-same

[jaunty ruin]

alright ty

[fluid ravine]

like let's say they perform the same so you just buy the cheaper one

[kind helm]

respectfully may i ask how was he not timed out at least, legit was attacking people, lack of understanding is not a valid excuse imo

[ionic breach]

sound is a litte different

[calm pulsar]

jade pro's have a longer spring tho
so snappier top out with 45g weight spring

[ionic breach]

so is ^

[ionic breach]

it is tame

very much so

[jaunty ruin]

yeah i get that

i was just thinking counting all the benefits of going jade pro, its still not worth it is what im getting from people

[kind helm]

some one called him weak finger and got timed out, "weak finger" is really strong words 0.0

[calm pulsar]

let me link you my poorly mixed music from 5 years ago to defuse the Gothikx situation
https://soundcloud.com/dmitrymusician

[ionic breach]

i mean if that was all he said then he shouldnt have gotten timed out

but its just some miscommunication anyways

[kind helm]

you wild wild man

[ionic breach]

its the internet, it happens

[spice plover]

@glacial wind welp ima go chill and do something else. thanks for the good info regardless atleast I can describe my problem better now.

[kind helm]

rock music

[kind helm]

true, IN THE END, IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER ER ER ER

[ionic breach]

[kind helm]

mr arcsyko's music got me vibing

[jaunty ruin]

where should i order geon raw he from, im currently in sweden but im gonna stay in denmark for the next many months

[calm pulsar]

hehe

to escape the switch debate

[kind helm]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807596259704.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_allItems_or_groupList.0.0.5ee178cdiqvhX9&pdp_npi=4%40dis!USD!US %244.80!US %244.80!!!4.80!4.80!%40210543fe17314763650328882e2a5f!12000042187155628!sh!US!1624823896!X&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa

may not be the best one but its pretty cheap shipping for us, if you don't mind the wait time, maybe also cheap for you hopefully

[chilly mural]

You dont need strength to be fast. In fact, pressing too hard while playing can actually slow you down and a waste of energyall around. Sauce: been playing rhythm game for years.

[calm pulsar]

lol 50g are out of stock all the time

[ionic breach]

sonoma pricing 👀

[kind helm]

its out of stock every where all the time

[ionic breach]

man im really debating over either the sonoma, antagonist or a neo ergo

[uneven cradle]

I was watching up until just before that, his action until that point did not warrant any action imo

[chilly mural]

Damn, expensive

[calm pulsar]

are these all 60%s?

[ionic breach]

nah lemme pull out pics

[kind helm]

i am just surprised because someone did got timed out and relative to what he said, its not even close

[jaunty ruin]

thats actually what i was just gonna ask. i know its preference, but which one would suit the majority the most, 40, 50 or 60 gram force?

[spice plover]

totally agree with you

[uneven cradle]

@spice plover try not to directly insult people, it is becoming a trend and not a welcome one. Also to everyone else try not to antagonise

[calm pulsar]

do you have a stock wooting rn? stock lekkers are 60g, you could figure out from there

[spice plover]

what did i say today that directly insulted someone?

[ionic breach]

neo ergo, sonoma, antagonist, in order

[jaunty ruin]

yes i do

[calm pulsar]

if you like em I'd say 60g is fine, but you could go lighter also

[glacial wind]

he means the whole challenging people to see who is fitter/more social irl

don't do that basically lol

[jaunty ruin]

there will be no time where ill be like "oh its too light i cant use this"

[uneven cradle]

it was not direct but it was implied

[jaunty ruin]

cuz i kinda wanna go 40g

[spice plover]

lol ok i wont

[calm pulsar]

well it can be like this for some ppl ngl, but there is also a possibility to buy a spring pack and change the weight of your switch

[spice plover]

i literally wouldnt of replied if it was on some random reddit post... just its on a live discord chat so

[jaunty ruin]

this kid is talking abt being what? fit or fat?

[kind helm]

do you like ergo? never tried them before, always too expensive for me to try

[jaunty ruin]

ah okay

i think ill just go with the 40g and redo the springs if anything

preciate it

[ionic breach]

nah never had one

thats why i want one

but the antagonist is calling my name

[calm pulsar]

ohh that TKL is curious

[ionic breach]

thats the one

a lot of options too

wiredin balls out on materials

[kind helm]

i heard ergo ones are not so ergo, the split ones though are very ergo

[ionic breach]

it is well built internals, the neo ergo

cheap but built like its premium

[glacial wind]

so did the optimum case completely sell out all the EU batches?

i noticed na it's preorder now but eu it's totally gone lol

[kind helm]

one source that i can remember is hipyo's recent video with a ()ist. me no good at spelling

[kind helm]

we can say the same about the regular neo

[fluid ravine]

optimum keycaps coming in at $25 really surprised me

lol

[ionic breach]

the sonoma and antag is pricy tho

[kind helm]

me dig the tkl one

[deft wing]

Asia as well

[ionic breach]

it can go to 500+

[fluid ravine]

asked cam about the indepth details of the keycaps but told me he will ask more about it to the team

[kind helm]

no letters probably the manufacturing was easier and cheaper

[ionic breach]

with everything i want like caps and wires, probably 700 800 ngl

[fluid ravine]

should help me conclude on why it's cheap as shit

[fluid ravine]

that could be a good reason

[ionic breach]

its not doubleshot

[fluid ravine]

being pbt as well

yeah i dont see why it needs to be doubleshot

now question is how thick is it?

[ionic breach]

pretty nice for 25 ya

[fluid ravine]

or what pbt method did they use

[kind helm]

it got one color

[fluid ravine]

yeeee lol

[glacial wind]

i really hope they do a tenz 80he collab with the stonewashed finish. If nothing else the optimum case will confirm just how insane the sales are on good collabs

[kind helm]

the color of depression

[chilly mural]

Yesss more colab

[deft wing]

cant wait for owlab

if they dont restock this one

[fluid ravine]

ooo i see owlab being expensive af

[glacial wind]

it's honestly free money doing a tenz collab. The guy loves wooting already and would be happy to collab and he would sell an absurd amount of cases

[harsh dove]

It’s not double shot cause they don’t have legends lol

[fluid ravine]

i really dont like the strap placement

[fluid ravine]

yeah exactly

[ionic breach]

cheaper that way

[fluid ravine]

yippeee

[kind helm]

what if we want two layers of grey

[deft wing]

just like finalmouse lol

[ionic breach]

grey on grey

[kind helm]

double depression

[fluid ravine]

like he's literally telling people to get on his level of no legends fr

[ionic breach]

wished they made the chroma piece tho

[glacial wind]

yeah his finalmouse collab sold so many mice

[fluid ravine]

different accent color weight 🙏

[harsh dove]

Yeah I’d possibly expect to see more in the future

[glacial wind]

I think it was what 40k mouse sold out by tenz in that small session

[deft wing]

still bugs me the shipping to my country is more expensive than the keycaps itself

[deft wing]

yeah people went all out to get it

[glacial wind]

yeah found it

[kind helm]

given that the new case did so well, it would make sense for the team to do more

[ionic breach]

for the 80he of cos

[kind helm]

i hope there is less of that fat a33 engraving at the bottom of the case though

[deft wing]

what happened to this tho https://www.tenz.gg/products/tenz-secret-mouse

[ionic breach]

cos 3rd parties case wouldnt be much for that

[glacial wind]

tenz prefers 80he sizing too, so it would be the perfect collab

[fluid ravine]

cosineeee

[glacial wind]

he's still tweaking it

[ionic breach]

not out yet

prototyping

[deft wing]

ohh thought it was dead

[kind helm]

i am surprised by how many people like tenz, pre omen switch i thought he was pretty meh.

[glacial wind]

the dream would be they take the 60he optimum case, size it up to 80he, make the edges less thickboy, stonewash finish it and throw in a tenz logo instead of the optimum one. Easy sell out

[calm pulsar]

its kinda weird how people can preorder this while the manufacturer is unknown

not saying it's bad, just not sure how it works legally

[kind helm]

maybe pop a brass weight at the bottom if they are not going with zinc

[glacial wind]

people like mechanical gods

[fluid ravine]

oo i think the one thing i dont like about the optimum case is how thick the bezels are

but maybe we'll see

[glacial wind]

even when his play fell off before his final year his mechanics were still insane

[fluid ravine]

just know that we all suck at val compared to him :D

[calm pulsar]

yeah same

but optimum himself is buffed so it makes sense

[kind helm]

pre omen i always thought of him as every other washed up cs players that got spanked by eu gods

[fluid ravine]

i dont think i will mind it once i recieve mine and use it over time

[ionic breach]

wtf is happening in general

[kind helm]

post omen though i respect the grind

[fluid ravine]

but i very much prefer like thinner side bezels

[fluid ravine]

someone in his comment said that i came here to watch because of those biceps

i laughed so hard

[calm pulsar]

lmao

should I post my frog (mini)

[fluid ravine]

cmon join the funnn

[fluid ravine]

YES

[ionic breach]

no

[fluid ravine]

:D

froggy

so i can yoink

i dont think i have yoink any of your stuff yet arc :(

esp your current builds

not that i think i do

lol

[cedar gate]

Honestly tho if wooting collabed with tenz they would make so much money

[fluid ravine]

fr

[ionic breach]

i mean it would hurt

[cedar gate]

Even just teams like what lamzu did

[fluid ravine]

oh right with fnatic?

[ionic breach]

if it was an actual great designer that would be nice

[fluid ravine]

yeeee

[glacial wind]

yeah i've been saying it for ages, it's basically free money because tenz is always a wooting mega fanboy

[ionic breach]

or even alexotos

[calm pulsar]

hmm you might have yoinked when I posted my first frog build, but since then I rebuilt multiple times for fun

[cedar gate]

Yeah lol

[fluid ravine]

yeah those i haven't yoinked

[cedar gate]

Wooting can make like editions

[fluid ravine]

so i think you may have to pass them over hehe...

[glacial wind]

like he wouldn't even have to shill it because tenz has been praising the wooting since day 1 and loves his 80he

[cedar gate]

We got the optimum editing now tenz edition

[fluid ravine]

oh wait

tenz got his 80he?

[cedar gate]

Lots of kana lol

[fluid ravine]

any yt vid

[ionic breach]

ya long ago

[fluid ravine]

i want his reaction or review

[cedar gate]

Yea

[calm pulsar]

ight let me find pics hehe

[fluid ravine]

damn i miss out on our goat

:(

[cedar gate]

He doesn't usually review stuff

[kind helm]

i would rather see than over any esport colab but thats where the money at

[ionic breach]

does wooting really need the money lmao

[cedar gate]

Ngl would rather see esports collabs

[fluid ravine]

i mean

money is money

[ionic breach]

id much rather cool ass designs

[glacial wind]

there was a clip but it was after champs so i'm not sure if anyone clipped it

[kind helm]

sry me no real gamer no more

[chilly mural]

If it means bigger budget for knob and 60he pro, why not?

[fluid ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlJOTuhDd48

his thoughts

[chilly mural]

Can even leave for stupid shit like switch plushie

[calm pulsar]

the first one is wooting w/ alu
2nd fr4 venom
3rd alu venom
🐸

[fluid ravine]

yoink x3

[kind helm]

clean black and white, classic, and russian!

[glacial wind]

nah i mean there's one for 80he specifically

[ionic breach]

i just noticed the adidas

very fitting

[glacial wind]

he glazed the 80he and talked about how much he prefers 80he to 60he format lol

[fluid ravine]

ah shi

[calm pulsar]

ngl I only bought this jacket to fit with gmk taiga😂

[kind helm]

espeically now that bro retired, he probably doesn't need to carry a zinc case around

it would be hella funny if a pro player goes on stage and struggle to pull their zinc 80he out of the bag

[calm pulsar]

damn if I were a pro I'd still carry a metal board like guts carries his sword

[kind helm]

I NEED THAT SOFT GASKET FEEL FOR MY PRO GAMER FINGERS

[glacial wind]

i did see wooting is hiring a new marketing specialist, so would be cool to see more collabs and media campaigns done well

[fluid ravine]

fape mod!

[kind helm]

i am still waiting for your papi to add that to the modding faq, i personally think that is MUST for tray mount case

[glacial wind]

honestly wooting needs a proper modding site too, but i think they're not interested in doing one

[fluid ravine]

lol well it's not perfect for what im seeing

but it's def a good mod to do

[kind helm]

with the way they made 80he, i don't think they care about modding that much, friction pad is a sign of hope though

[glacial wind]

discord is a bit scuffed as a database for all the modding needs

[kind helm]

its definitely on the janky side but it saves tray mount case for sure imo

[chilly mural]

Wooting need more media campaign, it took optimum talking about SOCD and Wooting's response for me to know about wooting in the first place.

[glacial wind]

i did offer to build a mod site for wooting, but they didn't reply either so I guess they weren't interested there

[kind helm]

respect for offering at least

[calm pulsar]

they just didnt play rogue during tbc so they don't know you make good websites

[glacial wind]

yeah i basically told them i'd build them a classic roguecraft site but for wooting modding guides and sound tests etc lol

[kind helm]

me no marketing person, me actually hate marketing people, but me think modding community would be the next big thing for wooting if they do a bit more. geon's pcb link kept crashing for days

[calm pulsar]

would be insane for the community
imagine also making your own builds and sharing them on the website

[fluid ravine]

What's your build configuration so far josh?

[kind helm]

lowkey if people find the discord first they won't look at it, most likely still gonna be coming here and "what is the best switch for gaming" (nothing wrong with that btw)

[fluid ravine]

I don't think i've asked that before

[violet fulcrum]

https://x.com/freewheeler_/status/1846520442523369593?s=46&t=8PXvxoh_46hqSmQZXGgWDw

Freewheeler (@Freewheeler_) on X

GEONWORKSのLiveで新型HEスイッチとして紹介されていたやつ
Everglideのかな？
https://t.co/Nmh0XA40Ql

Twitter · Oct 16, 2024, 11:55 AM

[glacial wind]

nah it would 100% be used i'd bet everything on it

[kind helm]

fr4 plate, raw with lekker v1 45g spring, pbt keycaps, tofu with brass weight

[ionic breach]

everglide?

[violet fulcrum]

Not sure

[glacial wind]

i did the same for rogue guides in wow by just transferring the knowledge from discord to better format and easier to use via websites

discord just sucks as a database

[fluid ravine]

ah that explains why i keep thinking yours sound deeper in a sense

[kind helm]

brass weight + fape on tofu = love

[calm pulsar]

he usualy tests multiple products during the stream, maybe its just the other part of the stream

[violet fulcrum]

These sound pretty good, similar to geon raw but lower pitch

[fluid ravine]

no foam gang

[calm pulsar]

curious

[violet fulcrum]

Tolerance somewhat similar to geon raw too

[kind helm]

we have a modding_faq here that solves probably at least 70% of people's question and that is right above this channel

[calm pulsar]

new full black switch from geon

[glacial wind]

people would definitely still come to discord and ask, but a lot of people would then use the website because it's just easier than linking discord pins and random conversations etc

[fluid ravine]

I need to take this time to make some modding ideas or build configurations before i recieve my case from Counter/CAM

[glacial wind]

the problem isn't that the information isn't on discord. It's that the format of how you use discord as a guide database sucks

[fluid ravine]

anybody got any stupid ideas they want to give me while im at it

[kind helm]

thats the hope though

[calm pulsar]

ohh so you're getting the optimum one?

[fluid ravine]

Counter got it for me as a deal

[calm pulsar]

naisuu

[glacial wind]

it's just channels and pins of lists etc which suck. It's how arcsyko knows me from before because I built a career doing that for WoW guides lol

[ionic breach]

👀 what deal?

[fluid ravine]

He sent the money to CAM and got the order dow

[fluid ravine]

If i passed my classes with all A's or sm like that

[kind helm]

salvation got me into no foam and to be honest real hard for me to use foam now

[ionic breach]

🔥

[fluid ravine]

I didn't really want to agree on it cus i felt super duper bad about it

but he didn't back down on his word after a few months

so mad respect for the man

and i sitll feel bad

[fluid ravine]

real

[kind helm]

i rather attempt to make a new switch if i want different sound

[glacial wind]

websites aren't replacements for discords, they're more in addition to. So for example if someone needed reference sound tests for x switch vs y switch there's a database with it all that doesn't require a bunch of youtube videos

[calm pulsar]

for me it was mj saying my builds sound dead

so I tried no foam and they came alive

[fluid ravine]

The only thing im looking forward to try is a ALU plate

I have a good feeling if i tried it i would like it so much more for how lively it sound

like i can hear the potential

[kind helm]

i think nowadays only few people are willing read and research on their own before asking

[fluid ravine]

Taking @calm pulsar 's builds for example

[kind helm]

and to be fair, asking to be easier a lot of time

[fluid ravine]

really got me having hope about it

[fluid ravine]

this is so true

[glacial wind]

i think maybe you're misunderstanding what i'm saying

[calm pulsar]

yeah I started to prefer denser plates ever since I got my first fr4

and alu is even nicer imo

[fluid ravine]

LetMeGoogleThat.com

[glacial wind]

reference websites aren't a replacement to the people asking and researching on discord

they will always do that regardless of how good the resources out there are

[ionic breach]

ya

[kind helm]

yea sorry sir i didn't read carefully, chat kept moving

[ionic breach]

the next build for me

[kind helm]

hold on sir let me read i dont wanna make you repeat yourself

[ionic breach]

whether it is any of the 3 i mentioned, it will be an alu plate

[glacial wind]

it's more that reference sites become a good database resource for the people on discord to then use and serves as a database also for non discord people

[fluid ravine]

PC straight to CF here

lol

CF was a good choice imo

the board shined in my face

[kind helm]

ture i think one of the japanese guy in this channel is making one

[fluid ravine]

but need that sense of curve in the sound acoustic

[kind helm]

but maybe its in japanese only

[fluid ravine]

like again i can see the potential

with alu

[glacial wind]

the problem also is saying 'go look at the faq' is a bit eh when the faq is like 50 posts in a long channel that requires scrolling to find the right thing

it's just a very messy solution to something that should be much easier if you have a website

[kind helm]

👀 i was more thinking about new comer, but i think your website would be more towards people like us, especially if say like we leave the chat for a few months

[calm pulsar]

I got into luminkey lx60 gb, will be doing an MX build with alu, would be my first custom MX board

[glacial wind]

it's just that discord itself is where you can post a ton of information but it's just not searchable or easily usable or friendly to average person

[fluid ravine]

oh woa first custom mx board?!

[calm pulsar]

I think for newcomers this will also be a good way to learn stuff

[fluid ravine]

damn i thought you already had one lowkey

[calm pulsar]

nah I kinda started the journey with wooting lol
before that I had a low pro keychron xd

[glacial wind]

anyhow I'm not planning to build the site these days since wooting wasn't interested anyway, but will be cool to see what the japanese guy does

[kind helm]

me love searching up builds, that is how i found out mr. arcsyko and turkeyson and mj and a few others know what they are talkin bout

[calm pulsar]

so will be doing my first proper MX build when lx60 arrives

[fluid ravine]

well i had a shit journey before the wooting

honestly the biggest regrets i made while also teaching me good things

or where to start

i started with like buying gaming brand keyboards

settled with the hyperx origin 60 as my first

[ionic breach]

wooting converting gamers to custom keyboards

[fluid ravine]

and kept buying gaming keyboards and returning them to try them out

[ionic breach]

and geon converting customs to gamers

[fluid ravine]

which i learned a few basic things

[ionic breach]

an actual symbiotic relationship

[fluid ravine]

but the biggest lesson it taught me was to not buy these stupid keyboards

[kind helm]

me started modding with mx, and actually got wooting more for seeing how it feel and sound rather than thinking it would give me any real advantage

[calm pulsar]

wouldn't say it's a bad journey, I started similarly as well
I always had a logitech membrane, then I worked in retail selling computer stuff, and it's where I got to try mechanical keyboards, most of which were just pure gaming ones

[kind helm]

but i never went as deep as mj did. i was just looking up fun mods and trying them

[calm pulsar]

this
geon is doing insane things for HE community

like tsangan layout HE pcb? damnn

[fluid ravine]

yeah now my wooting is the only keybaord i have

well technically

i gave my gmmk compact to my friend to "borrow"

its been a few months since i gave it to him and i still didnt take it back

[kind helm]

i really thought gateron would be the one, because they make banger mx switches. instead we got jade max

[fluid ravine]

but i may need to once i take the chance to sell my 60he pcb

[fluid ravine]

jades are literally the side of apple

[calm pulsar]

im sitting on two wooting pcbs too, can't bring myself to selling them

but I might before the new years'

[fluid ravine]

im needing that 60he+ pcb

[kind helm]

from lekker v1 to jade is a huge jump too though :3 we shall not forget about gateron

[fluid ravine]

like badly in a way

but i have someone willing to sell me theirs for $100

[kind helm]

(i love gateron oil king)

[calm pulsar]

if only shipping from me to US wasnt 40 bucks lol

[calm pulsar]

oh that's nice

[fluid ravine]

and i settling to sell mines to criminal for about 120

(adding like pc plate and all that)

need to talk to my dad about it doe

[kind helm]

if my purchase with venom60he goes well then i send you the link too

[fluid ravine]

got confirmation from my mom

[fluid ravine]

hm?

ohh

haha bet then

[kind helm]

venom60he is the better 60 module :3

[fluid ravine]

trust

[kind helm]

but i am still waiting on them to arrange the flight to the item to us

[calm pulsar]

ban

jk

[fluid ravine]

lol

[kind helm]

USPS been waiting

[fluid ravine]

tsk tsk tsk

[kind helm]

you and mj are also banned for recommending that to me!

we are all criminals :3

[fluid ravine]

looking forward to yall getting your venom he

[cedar gate]

Guys theoretically if I wanted to lube my stabs can I just syringe some in do I have to open them up and can I just use krytox or do I need superlube

[calm pulsar]

Thockfather is banned as well for building one

[fluid ravine]

betryal!

[kind helm]

half of the goats of this channel would get banned then

[calm pulsar]

it is viable in case you have some minor instabilities, I personally fixed some of my stabs this way

[cedar gate]

Great my knights are dry and I wanted to know if I can just syringe some in and call it a day

[fluid ravine]

yeah you could

if you're talking about lubing your wires

[calm pulsar]

yeah, but it applies more to the metal wire part though, not sure about adding lube to the housings

[fluid ravine]

or adding grease

yeah

[kind helm]

dry knight

[fluid ravine]

im over here running BONE STOCK DRY TX AP PLATE MOUNTS

[calm pulsar]

preposterous

[cedar gate]

🤣

[chilly mural]

How does it feel?

[fluid ravine]

sometimes horrible

i ran out of lube

and plate mounts are just shitty in my case rn

[chilly mural]

Also, all the things I need for my 80he as arrived. Lube, stab, raws, and keycaps!

Mine 80he still not shipped though

[vague star]

is there any more info on this collab anywhere?

[calm pulsar]

soon you'll become ShotPlacer64

[chilly mural]

Isn't that for mouse?

[chilly mural]

Mouse setup still subpar

[fluid ravine]

like it's deadass so dry

[kind helm]

you can just use krytox 205g0 since i think the teaha does that, but i personally would use something thicker for wire

[calm pulsar]

lol yeah but still xd

[fluid ravine]

huh am i deaf

how come the video is picking up the hollowness of the board while im over here listening to it just fine

[chilly mural]

Skypad about to arrive soon too but getting it is stupid expensive. 250 with shipping and tax

[calm pulsar]

usually mics amplify certain things not perceived irl

[kind helm]

your head is on top of your camera bb

[fluid ravine]

oh shoot you got a skypad>

[chilly mural]

Yesh

[calm pulsar]

250 dayum

[fluid ravine]

4.0?

[chilly mural]

Yep

Standard one

[fluid ravine]

i really want one

i was thinking of getting a white for my bday

if i do get like amazon gift cards or what not

[chilly mural]

It'll be my last piece of the puzzle then I can actually becpme shothitter

[fluid ravine]

honestly i just want a super consistent pad without having to clean it too much

like control i can figure it out myself

im pretty steady

well im a ultra low sense player anyways

not like it matters

[calm pulsar]

become a shoplifter

jk jk

[chilly mural]

Noh, jail bad

[kind helm]

aim train for a week > wooting, 8k pooling mouse ez unless you pro

[chilly mural]

Nah, I'll just play for fun. Monitor still 60hz

[kind helm]

my phone has higher refresh rate than your monitor and its not even new

= 120 is a new world my friend

i think you can get one for like 200 nowadays

[chilly mural]

Next year

Need it to be 32 inch for rhythm game

Non VA

[kind helm]

if its a game that needs reaction speed, osu probably relatively speaking is one, monitor upgrade over everything else

imo

[fluid ravine]

im here desiring so much upgrades while knowing my whole setup is way too good enough for a 15 y/o

[chilly mural]

Ehh, I've been playing high level 7k mania for 2 years with it. IM STILL IMPROVING WITH IT BTW

[fluid ravine]

the want for better stuff is just crazy

[kind helm]

nah thats bs, you get older, you have a nice setup, what do you do with it all day, fckin WORK

[quartz stirrup]

1 layer jelly tape
lifted stabilizer stems added a little bit of krytox 205g0
unreal difference

[fluid ravine]

u rite u rite

[fluid ravine]

it may seem crazy but i think i prefer the before result

nah im just kidding

good work

[quartz stirrup]

im impressed by the result

[uneven cradle]

and when you can play games you just play old games on your sick expensive gaming PC

[kind helm]

sry me no understand but i think thats impressive, me can never do rhythm game, 0 rhythm on clicks

[kind helm]

SHUT UP (respectfully)

[calm pulsar]

that's me, but working from home is nice with all the nice peripherals

[uneven cradle]

me playing oldschool runescape on my future 9800x3d and 4080

[fluid ravine]

literally keyboards can only satisfy us the most no matter what we do

even the most boring of works

[calm pulsar]

lol when I built my 7800x3d and 4080 I had a blast in the demanding games I played before, like tarkov

[kind helm]

nah actually its good, cause you get crazy high fps, the high refresh rate is beautiful on old games

[fluid ravine]

me with my 12700 and 4060ti

[calm pulsar]

true

[uneven cradle]

osrs is engine capped at 50fps

[chilly mural]

5600g is all you need (cope)

[calm pulsar]

still insane setup
I had i5 8400 and 1060 before my build xd

[fluid ravine]

oh damnnnnn

[kind helm]

i am so happy that elder scroll community is so big they fix the s44t engine

[fluid ravine]

honestly i think i can last with this pc specs with another 2-3 years of my life

or even longer

[calm pulsar]

yeah some modding communities are insane
stalker one is awesome too

[uneven cradle]

still playing minecraft mods

[fluid ravine]

which should be worth cus i think as time pass whenever i wanna upgrade it may be huge

so it should be worth, so yeah i should be happy with what i have in my pc

[kind helm]

i even joke with the micro center guy when i brought my pc, "i know i would just run valorant on this 6950xt"

[chilly mural]

By then maybe 12800x3d

[fluid ravine]

even if i do get roasted for my 4060ti for some odd reason

[chilly mural]

And rtx 7060

[calm pulsar]

yeah, also iirc you play val overwatch and stuff, and your build is perfectly fine for that

[fluid ravine]

yurrr

[fluid ravine]

yeee

[calm pulsar]

which would still be AM5😂

[fluid ravine]

300+ fps on val

im perfectly fine

[kind helm]

700+

[fluid ravine]

even other games

[chilly mural]

Lmao

[tender valley]

hey does anyone know a good switch for the wooting thats has minimal stem wobble? if possible available in germany

[fluid ravine]

ok broski 😭

[fluid ravine]

chat we all know what to say

[calm pulsar]

yeah but human eye can't see past 24 so...

[chilly mural]

Fps are getting insane

[fluid ravine]

Geon Raw HE

[chilly mural]

Im just gonna go for 120

[fluid ravine]

animations fr

[tender valley]

@fluid ravine is the geon really that good? is it 4mm or 3.5mm travel?

[fluid ravine]

3.4mm advertised

[kind helm]

according to battle(non)sense, higher fps gives you more current response

[calm pulsar]

it has one of the best tolerances on the market

[fluid ravine]

well by far without any Frankensteining switches or anything like that, stock raws have the best tolerances

[tender valley]

ill check availability thank u

[fluid ravine]

yknow what else give your more fps

RGB

[tender valley]

what force do u recommend?

[kind helm]

no joke though i broke all my scores on aimlab after i uncapped my fps... i used to lock them below my refresh rate because i had a limiter for single player game

[calm pulsar]

all the venom gamers getting 50 less fps across all games

[calm pulsar]

it probably results in less input lag so yeah

[kind helm]

yea, i was hella surprise because the jump were relatively big, but maybe i am just that talented

[fluid ravine]

I can't recommend a gf for people that are asking, I rather have them figure out what they like from their personal experience. In order to do that, all you need to do is look back at your current switch's spring weight and consider if you like it or not. If you have switches with a spring weight of like 53g and you like it, then you could go for like 50g, but if you think it's too heavy then go lighter, if too light then go heavier.

[fluid ravine]

fr

[kind helm]

bruh i read that first part i was like wtf

[fluid ravine]

So it's just technically based on what you need

[kind helm]

i can't recommend a gf for people

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

whoops mbmb

[calm pulsar]

lmao

sus

[tender valley]

im currently on the lekker v1 but i used to have the apex pro tkl, the old version and i liked these switches more, so i guess i could try 40 right?

[calm pulsar]

[fluid ravine]

nah im your best wingman fr

[tender valley]

lmao😂

[fluid ravine]

L60's?

like you could try it if you want, but if again it's best to go for what you need

so if you like the spring weight of your l60's then buy 60gf

but if you wanna go lighter then go lighter

[tender valley]

yea, but the apex v1 is on 45 no? so i guess i could actually try 40

[fluid ravine]

what switches does it use?

omnipoint or smth?

[tender valley]

actually i think im going 50

[tender valley]

yea the first omni

im kinda split between not wanting to press so hard and also bein scared of having to cramp my hand not to press on accident

[fluid ravine]

Can someone take over for me

sry bennemen but i gotta go to sleep for tmr

got school xd

Gn everyone

[calm pulsar]

I will just say that the lightest springs might have a weaker top out too

so you could go a bit harder

[calm pulsar]

gn gn

[tender valley]

all good thanks for the help

i think im going with 50…

[dawn creek]

hey i wanted to ask if its possible if i put the wooting switches in a old 80% keyboard and use the keyboard with wootility software is it possible?

[calm pulsar]

no

needs a special pcb

[dawn creek]

so its better to buy a new case from wooting?

[calm pulsar]

what is it you'd like to achieve? a different layout of the board?

seems you ordered an 80he

[dawn creek]

ye i got 90 switches cause i bought the 80he and wanted to build a second keyboard with these switches

[calm pulsar]

you'd need a compatible hall effect pcb like wooting modules or from other brands

and a case that would fit them

cause standard mechanical keyboards can't accept hall effect switches

[dawn creek]

ahh okay

thank you mate

[dapper tartan]

Anyone here have black knight switches or other switches with a multi-layered spring?

[calm pulsar]

black knights have one stage springs though, is that what you're talking about?

you might've mixed them with black jades, cause they do have a 2stage spring

but it's too short to provide a real benefit imo

I have black jades

a long spring like 20 or 22mm is just as good for smoother feeling and snappier upstroke imo

[dapper tartan]

I might have gotten false information then. But you can help me maybe then

Does it feel like the middleground between tactile and linear?

[calm pulsar]

no, it doesnt provide any tactile bump
the aim is to have smoother downstroke and snappier upstroke, so there's no tactility

[dapper tartan]

This is what I would have thought, but I get some conflicting info online from youtubers that might not even have actually tried them. Glad to talk to someone that actually has experience

I was just curios, because I like tactile, but I feel like getting tactile with HE switches is a bit weird in functionality, so was looking for possible alternatives

[calm pulsar]

yeah if you're looking for tactility it's not it unfortunately

there are some rubber dome switches coming soon, which will have tactility similar to topre switches

but not sure when

@dapper tartan #🌟│wooting80he message

smth unique with an actual tactile bump, it seems

oh wait these are already on sale it seems

[dapper tartan]

Hm, looks interesting. Not sure if i'd like 'em, but again, that's just because i think a lot of the functionality we have with hall effect becomes different to use when diverging to far from linear

[calm pulsar]

no I found wrong ones

[dapper tartan]

I might just order a couple of different springs and put them in the switches I currently have, just to see if it at least becomes better. Not that it's bad, but I know myself, if I wait to long to try and perfect this board, I'll never do it

[calm pulsar]

yeah that is true that tactility might intervene with features like rapid trigger and stuff

but it's also fun to try out new stuff for HE boards

[dapper tartan]

Agreed

[calm pulsar]

aliexpress has dual stage and longer springs, might try out those

[dapper tartan]

I have it since 2 days so I'm still finding out a lot. Really fun to think about what I can use different functions for

[calm pulsar]

I really like the mod tap feature on wooting, it allows you to have immeadiate access to arrow keys

[dapper tartan]

Yes, I'm curious about slow springs and about multi stage. And honestly might like something a bit more on the heavier side

[calm pulsar]

I used 70g springs from aliexpress and liked heavier feeling, and it's not like it limits actuation speed cause it's 0.01 mm anyways

[violet plover]

And good cases for my wooting 60he? Preferably purple or pink

[dapper tartan]

Very true, didn't even think that the impact of heavier springs is less on these boards as well. Wow

[calm pulsar]

tofu redux has a good selection of colors
461e case from kbdfans does come in purple too I think

[dapper tartan]

I like to rest my hand a bit on the keys, which is not too possible with switches with 40-50g springs

And now that I think of it, the keycaps I'm eventually (hopefully next week) am gonna put on, are heavier too, so that won't help my case

[calm pulsar]

true
however I do have jade pro springs right now in my switches, and I am able to rest my fingers, cause these springs are longer and basically push back with more force, while still having 45g bottom out force

[calm pulsar]

yeah you might opt for heavier springs then

[jaunty ruin]

completely unrelated but whats the best mousepad out for lets say cs, val and siege

[calm pulsar]

esp for spacebar

[jaunty ruin]

any suggestions would be nice

[dapper tartan]

Hm, really? That's pretty low force too. See, that's what I need to find out, how spring lenght and desing matters

[calm pulsar]

yeah I usually don't like very light springs, but these seem to have a snappy upstroke which I appreciate

[dapper tartan]

Hear more and more good things about glass mousepads (used to have one about 20 years ago, but that one would be considered way to small nowadays). The wallhack sp-004 for example. Also heard something about the artisan raiden

But honestly, I think there's 1000 people in this server that can say more about it than I can 😅

[jaunty ruin]

nah ur definitely right

those are the same ones ive heard about, im glad to know im not getting wrong info from ppl

idk which artisan it was but one of them is supposed to be the "best" one out of the bunch

[dapper tartan]

If you end up going for a glass pad, might be good to get a gaming sleeve with it, since skin can get a bit grippy on the glass when sweaty. (Honestly, a sleeve is nice on fabric pads too though, I love using 'em)

[violet plover]

Anything else that won’t break the bank?

[jaunty ruin]

thing is the learning curve for glass pads and im not sure if im willing to do it yk

[calm pulsar]

alumaze60 from wooting themselves too, but it's about the same price I believe

[dapper tartan]

If you're not sure, they tend to be quite expensive so I can understand why you might have doubts then yeah

[jaunty ruin]

sp004 is about 110$ us

not too bad

[deft wing]

Depends where you are from. Tofu is way cheaper for me here

[dapper tartan]

What learning curve though? I don't know about this

[jaunty ruin]

ur mouse movement is way more raw on a glass pad

therefore its way harder and something u have to get used to

and learn how to use to ur advantage

[glacial wind]

aka. if you want to use glass as well as a cloth pad you need to commit to a lot of hours of aim training to be on the same level as cloth

[jaunty ruin]

this exactly

[deft wing]

$80 for tofu and brass weight. $140 for Alumaze from where im from

[glacial wind]

there's no friction crutch to make up for lack of control, so you basically have to be a top tier aimer to use glass as well as a cloth pad

[jaunty ruin]

nobrainer to get the tofu and brass weight then

[deft wing]

If you want something cheaper find something on alibaba i supposed

[deft wing]

Currently running with it fam

[jaunty ruin]

tuff

[deft wing]

Just wanted the optimum case but too bad it sold out too fast

[jaunty ruin]

those keycaps look like the geon ones

or not geon ones but theyre on the geon site

[dapper tartan]

Ahh now I see, that makes sense. Good explanation

[deft wing]

No, they're from PBTFans Grey Semen

Cement*

[jaunty ruin]

yeah those are on the geon site aswell

i knew i had seen them earlier today haha

https://criminal.host/sdtp669me3oq.png

[calm pulsar]

this typo😭

[jaunty ruin]

LMFAO

i just realized

[deft wing]

Just tryna make yall laugh a bit after the drama today

[deft wing]

Yep that one

[calm pulsar]

based

[jaunty ruin]

bro i used to call my jordans white semen aswell

instead of cement

[deft wing]

What's you're build dude?

Got any ideas yet?

[jaunty ruin]

for what exactly

my keyboard?

[deft wing]

Yeap

You just ordered iirc right?

[jaunty ruin]

nono ive had my 60he for almost 2 yrs atp

[deft wing]

OH 🤣

Mb

Mustve been the other guy

[jaunty ruin]

rn im got a stock 60he with tape mod, overlubed switches and random shit i seen on youtube

so i ordered geon raws and hope to not overlube this time

[calm pulsar]

my recommendation is to only lube the springs

[deft wing]

Still thinking on what mod to go for and waiting for the RAWs to cum

[calm pulsar]

raws are well lubed from factory imo

and most switches these days tbh

[jaunty ruin]

oh okay

[calm pulsar]

jade pros were nice too

but lubing the spring is very nice

[jaunty ruin]

i was going to get those

[deft wing]

Max is newer than pros right?

[jaunty ruin]

but people said its the same as the geon raw he

so i should get those cuz theyre slightly cheaper

[deft wing]

It's just the RGB is very bright

[calm pulsar]

they were announced at the same time

maxes have some issues though

so it's risky to get them

also too pricy

[jaunty ruin]

their rgb is better but they feel and perform worse

[deft wing]

Oof sucks

[jaunty ruin]

yeah

[deft wing]

Kinda looked forward for that one as well

[jaunty ruin]

yh me too

kinda lame

[calm pulsar]

raw he rgb is also good cause the switch is white and has a light diffuser similar to jade maxes

[deft wing]

I was planning to use south facing legends

[jaunty ruin]

in your personal opinion whats the better switch and also why

jade pro or geon raw he

[calm pulsar]

they are quite similar in terms of tolerances, but raws are probably a bit tighter
but personally I like jade pro a bit more cause of their longer spring and a bit diff bottom out sound

but again I'd say choose then based on the sound you like more, cause they're both good switches

[deft wing]

Interesting, which is more towards "thock"

[calm pulsar]

try to compare from sound tests

[jaunty ruin]

south facing legends look so goofy

[deft wing]

I mean i cant type using blank ones 🥹

Just in case I need a glance

[jaunty ruin]

yeah no i get u

i feel like north facing always looks better

[deft wing]

I used to pull up a keyboard layout when I forget where some of the symbols at

[jaunty ruin]

just like what u got here

btw is there any real reason to get a metal case if you can sort out the hollowness without it?

[dapper tartan]

Unless you are filling a case to the brim with cement or sand or something, the case material will always somewhat impact the sound, even if just a bit (I bet with sand it will still do so), so it is acoustic preference, even if a lot less when you have solutions

[calm pulsar]

I think metal cases are ultimately cleaner sound

[jaunty ruin]

i couldnt tell u personally cuz ive never used a keyboard with a metal case

[dapper tartan]

it is, when thick enough, a lot harder to cause resonance with a metal case than with a plastic

[jaunty ruin]

so the tofu60redux

would that be thick enough

[dapper tartan]

It is cheaper though, so if you don't care, maybe that's a good thing and just get non-metal

[kind helm]

other than foam or weight, i can't think of anyway to solve hollowness issue. however foam changes the sound by filtering while weight shifts everything down without losing the original characteristic, ergo cleaner sound. (imo)

[calm pulsar]

as an example, here's my wooting 60he in freebird60, which is a relatively thin aluminum case

redux is even thicker

[round haven]

Hey ppl, what do you think about switch films nowadays? And do you use them (plastic/foam?

[kind helm]

but that its not like "better" than foam filled case, its preference

[jaunty ruin]

understood

[dapper tartan]

I was just about to say, you need to find out what sound you want, or find out if you even care that much about the sound in the first place

[calm pulsar]

I agree, it's way better to figure out what you like

instead of trying to build for buzzwords like "thock" or "cream" xd

[jaunty ruin]

okay so i do care but im not super into the entire buying a shit ton of different keycap sets and different cases and different switches n so on

i just care about one good set of everything

[kind helm]

also if you are trying to flex to your friends, "thock" and "cream" build seems to be more enjoyable for people anyway, half the people who don't know enough come here ask "what is the thockiest thing i can do to my board"

[jaunty ruin]

LOL

personally its not about flexing to them but more to have a pleasant sound and feel for myself

i dont really ever talk about my keyboard with them since they all have like 30-60$ keyboards

[calm pulsar]

same lol

[dapper tartan]

I understand, it can be a moneypit if you don't watch out. I would recommend looking at a bunch of videos, if possible check if there is a keyboard meet-up anywhere near where you live. It's quite a strange and intimidatingly varied world; custom keyboards. So to know what you want/need, best thing is to just experience

[jaunty ruin]

its not even an issue but if they were just into modding them it would be amazing

[jaunty ruin]

ive been watching videos on keyboards for years

[calm pulsar]

which is why this channel is very nice

[kind helm]

also i dont know if i am just coping but i really think foam less build has more exciting nuance

[jaunty ruin]

i was gonna get tfues ducky one 2 mini for what was it like 300$

im so glad i didnt do that

[jaunty ruin]

exactly

[calm pulsar]

foamless is good, but provided you have a good case-plate-switch combination

and there is no rattle and such

[kind helm]

while i flex my 6 budget keyboards when my friends come to party at my place

[dapper tartan]

Cool! Sorry, I misinterpreted you for not really knowing anything just yet. In that case, I'm sure you'll get there

[jaunty ruin]

no ur fine i am pretty new to it in terms of actually doing it myself but ive been watching videos about keyboards for many years atp

[dapper tartan]

I agree. Especially in metal cases, the sound can become so dry it's almost fake

[kind helm]

yee, i think foamless really just let everything amplify a bit and show it off

[calm pulsar]

lol I've been modding my HE boards for such a long time but always really had one build at a time

but soon gonna have two, HE and MX

[kind helm]

none of my case > 100. everythings like 200~ish as a whole build

[dapper tartan]

Next week my keycaps arrive, it's the first time I spent some more time and money on those so I'm excited to experience those. They are MT3 profile, and the aestatics are really up my ally but I feel like the sound profile will be so too.🤞 🤞

[jaunty ruin]

yeah im not gonna lie my keyboard (overly lubed switches [some of them are so mushy it gets tiring to press down on them just 3-5 times] and tape mod [3 layers] with stock 60he plastic case, pbt keycaps) just feels so weird now and i wish i hadnt overlubed them cuz honestly i prefer them without the lube completely

[kind helm]

gave them all away before i moved, my place was lookin like black friday in us

[jaunty ruin]

thought i did myself a favor but definitely not

though i ordered some geon raw he right next morning (today)

[calm pulsar]

hmm are they really that bad in terms of lube? cause some of mine even if they had a lot of lube, it just set in in time

so maybe it's smth else, not sure

[jaunty ruin]

i think i personally did did a horrible job lubing

[kind helm]

agree with mr. arcsyko here, unless you went crazy with it it will set in in time

[jaunty ruin]

my M and komma key are so mushy its actually pathetic

i cant believe i did that

[calm pulsar]

well I can say both jade pro and raw he are good on stock lube, so it's only worth lubing the springs, so you're all good if you're gonna upgrade to those switches

[kind helm]

i did the same with my first batch of milky yellow, 1 or 2 days later everything is fine

[jaunty ruin]

btw for lubing springs, should i do that bag lube thing or hand lube them

[dapper tartan]

Even with closed switches? Like, when the lube is in the part where the magnet goes

[calm pulsar]

I personally tried both, and bag lubing is way less effort for the same result, I found

so it's very nice

[jaunty ruin]

alr bet

[dapper tartan]

Bag, so much quicker and I feel sometimes actually better

[jaunty ruin]

oh wow

which lube should i get for the bag lubing tho

cuz ive heard its not the same lube

[calm pulsar]

it's more like oil

[dapper tartan]

It isnt, its more of an oil

[calm pulsar]

krytox 105

[dapper tartan]

Haha

[calm pulsar]

yeah xd

[jaunty ruin]

okay ty

[dapper tartan]

And just start with a few drops in the bag, you need less than you think

[calm pulsar]

you can do super lube too probably

as mr josh likes to recommend @kind helm

[dapper tartan]

Also, you can also add more drops, but removing them is a lot harder

[kind helm]

it has to be drowning in lube i think for it to sound weird later on. idk maybe even my first batch was okay, but i was hella heavy with it, the first few were hella inconsistent

[calm pulsar]

I just went with like 8 drops on a small plastic bag

maybe a bit more, but they were all covered in lube

[dapper tartan]

If, when you take the springs out, they are tangled up, hold one in the one hand, and one in the other, and twist them in opposite directions. Theyll come right off of eachother

Hope that makes sense over text message 😬

[kind helm]

note that for super lube you gotta use a mix, oil is oil and the thicker stuff is for wire. 205g0 not as easy to fck up since you dont need to mix anything ive come to understand more about "how i do things may not be the best for anyone"

do be cheap af tho the super lube.

[calm pulsar]

yeah but your own custom lube sounds nice, you can put it that way to flex

[kind helm]

for this keyboard, i used a lube ratio that matches with my mood at the time of lubing

[calm pulsar]

lol

sad keyboard build

[kind helm]

adding to that, should be much easier once you find the right angle to pull, i always try to be more gentle if i can, because i ain got no time to wait for another set of springs.

[dapper tartan]

Good point, should have added to be careful. Even if you don't see it right away, just stretching the spring changes the way it behaves

[jaunty ruin]

what do u guys think abt monitors rn

[dapper tartan]

I have been very luck that when I built my first keyboard a couple years ago, there was actually a pretty decently sized keyboard convention pretty close to home, where I could try a bunch of stuff, and they had a lubing workshop (different lubes were included which I still needed so it was worth x2)

[calm pulsar]

looking at one rn

[jaunty ruin]

ill personally get the 480hz 1440p monitor within a few months (after nvidia 50 series is released)

[dapper tartan]

Depends on what you want

Ah okay

[jaunty ruin]

fast, quality and good colors

not perfect, but just good

[dapper tartan]

Yeah, that sounds pretty cool. With the new amd cpu very possible too

[kind helm]

hardware unbox me trust

[calm pulsar]

I have a 2k 165hz with a 4080, need to upgrade

[kind helm]

for monitor review

[calm pulsar]

yeah I love these aussies

[jaunty ruin]

i bought the 7800X3D like 2-3 months ago and it pisses me off that the 9800X3D is out already

though it doesnt perform better in 90% of games it still does very well with non gaming tasks

[glacial wind]

LG should have their version of the 480hz oled 1440p monitor sometime early next year i'd guess

[dapper tartan]

The games I play, and with how good I am, I don't care about those super high fps too hard, so monitor-wize I chose the ultrawide oled from dell

[kind helm]

i think they just recently made a video about monitor recommendations for 1440p

[edgy panther]

well it was expected 😄

[calm pulsar]

I will upgrade from my 7800x3d a bit later when the price is normalized

[dapper tartan]

Yeah, and especially for the future, if you plan on playing that high hz monitor, would be nice to have the cpu from which we know it can go over 500

[jaunty ruin]

ye hw (monitors) unboxed and optimum are like the 2 tech youtubers ill always go to whenever i need actual good info

[jaunty ruin]

yup

even with my shitty gpu (waiting for 50 series) i get anything between 400-1000 fps in val

currently running a 1070 with a 7800X3D

[edgy panther]

thats wild combo

[jaunty ruin]

i know 😭

[edgy panther]

but if u just play comp games like val/cs2 it's fine

[jaunty ruin]

for now its fine

i wanna get into story games aswell

[calm pulsar]

I remember running rtx 4080 with my old intel i5 8400 lmao

[jaunty ruin]

but this gpu is limiting me so hard

[jaunty ruin]

i had a i5 8400 before this one

only reason i upgraded is cuz my old stuff broke

like fully

[dapper tartan]

Wait, 400-1000? Is this everything on low and with frame generation or?

[jaunty ruin]

after like 6-7 years on the same hardware it finally broke

[kind helm]

me no updating my pc in a long time i think, hopperbus is right, i dont play nee games

[calm pulsar]

mine is still alive, 1060 / i5 8400, gave this pc to my gf lol

[jaunty ruin]

nono this is everything low, bloom on and no frame gen

valorant ^

[dapper tartan]

I never actually played valorant so dont know how well optimized it is

Wow

Have you played r6 siege?

[jaunty ruin]

yeah its super cpu based

mhm

[dapper tartan]

What do you get out of r6?

[jaunty ruin]

siege gets me around 160-220 fps

[dapper tartan]

That explains a lot

[jaunty ruin]

valorant has almost no physics either so its very easy on gpu

[jaunty ruin]

again, low settings except, LOD quality, texture quality and anisotropic filtering, those are all maxed out

[calm pulsar]

val artstyle is not easy on my eyes though😭

[jaunty ruin]

and no anti aliasing either

[dapper tartan]

Ah okay, I see. Then it makes sense in my head again. I have a 3090 so was wondering where you got the 400-1000 from (since i dont know the game). Sometimes I start to think I'm doing something wrong and I'm missing out on a lot of performance, but then it turns out I'm fine

[jaunty ruin]

i run 1280x1080

otherwise everything in that game pisses me off

[calm pulsar]

lol fair

[dapper tartan]

And you said Bloom turned on. Does bloom help get higher fps??

[kind helm]

how come, other than ui everything is the same

[jaunty ruin]

nah i just love the bloom effect with the crazy skins in val

so much light going on

[jaunty ruin]

no its not

i run true stretch

not just fullscreened 1280x1080

[kind helm]

👀 cheater detected

[jaunty ruin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awacsv0kITk

[dapper tartan]

Wait, what screen res did you have now?

[jaunty ruin]

1920x1080

but i run 1280x1080 on val and 1440x1080 on siege, cs and pretty much everything else

reason for val being more stretched is because u benefit from lower fov (due to more zoomed in for easier long range fights)

[dapper tartan]

Uhuh, Stretched is used in r6 as well

[jaunty ruin]

mhm

[kind helm]

i used to run str on cs, but now i just play 1080p

[jaunty ruin]

when i do 1920x1080 4:3 in siege i cant aim for shit

it literally annoys my eyes

too high res for 4:3

so i always go 1440x1080 which is lower quality and blurs stuff slightly

[kind helm]

cause my goat kk runs ui stretch only

[dapper tartan]

Ahhh smart. I struggle with converting, since people sometimes recommend what I should run, but since my screen is 21:9, playing with a 16:10 is not the same for me as for a 16:9 screen I reckon

[jaunty ruin]

it depends on the scaling you've set on your monitor

if its set to fullscreen (fill out everything) then yeah it would be different

if its by aspect ratio then we would see the same thing and you would get black bars on both left and right side

[dapper tartan]

Ahh, yeah i always play full screen. Actually try to avoid games that don't support 21:9, since I'm scared of burn in (oled display)

[jaunty ruin]

i would never step foot in the ultra wide scene since i know i will get super pissed when i run into the typical ultra wide issues

[dapper tartan]

A lot of games that don't support it, have fixes though. www.pcgamingwiki.com is such a great site

[jaunty ruin]

though its not about what you play your games in, its about this thing here

https://criminal.host/mcoz8ooar097.png

[dapper tartan]

I barely have any issues honestly

[jaunty ruin]

i play primarily competitive fps games so i could imagine myself running into every issue known to mankind

[dapper tartan]

Well, in that case it just makes more sense to get a 16:9 screen in most cases

[jaunty ruin]

yup

[dapper tartan]

What mouse/mousepad do you use, if that's the type of games you are into?

[jaunty ruin]

viper v3 pro and mousepad honestly some random huge XXXL mousepad

horrible pad but i shit on ppl with it so not really an issue, though i know i could play better with a proper pad

i might get a sp-004 or one of the popular artisans just to see what ive been missing out on

[dapper tartan]

Peripherals do matter, but by far not as much as the skills of the player

[jaunty ruin]

thats always been my mindset aswell

ive never been a super geek about peripherals but the older i get the more and more i realize how much of a difference they can make

big on the 'can' tho

[dapper tartan]

And it’s like with just about anything with diminishing results

[jaunty ruin]

i like to not over do stuff but still have the best performing peripherals to match my skill

ive never ever had a super high end mouse, keyboard or monitor (not even pc) up until this year

and its really now im realizing how much ive been missing out on

[dapper tartan]

Yes. That’s why I’m not that crazy focused on peripherals either. I got a superlicht from a mate that spilled beer over it and thought it was broken, which I cleaned and it works perfectly, but otherwise I don’t think I would own that mouse

[jaunty ruin]

superlicht

german way

[dapper tartan]

Then again, maybe you got better because of the equipment you’ve always used

Haha yeah, or Dutch in my case. I thought I corrected it but my phone got the upper hand I guess

[jaunty ruin]

the superlight is great aswell, but the viper v3 pro is basically the superlight but newer and more refined (also more 'ergo' shape)

i have friends who even prefer the superlight over the viper v3 pro

which again just shows how much preference matters with peripherals generally

[dapper tartan]

I used to have a very shitty pc, and I would still play league (heavy framedrop down to 10-20 fps in team fights) and play r6 with the same issues, but that forced me to use my insight and predict where I was going to have to be/aim

[jaunty ruin]

yeah id say growing up on bad hardware isnt really a bad thing in the end

sure u werent having such a great time back then

[dapper tartan]

Is it cheaper than the superlight?

[jaunty ruin]

its about 150$ i think

i got it for 160$ cuz i needed it quick but one of my buddies got it for 80$ (not even used, its brand new) which is insane

wait lemme edit cuz i got those numbers horribly wrong

[dapper tartan]

Nope, but no other choice back then. Wouldn’t want to go back though, now I have a 3090 and 7800x3d. It still feels so weird to me to be able to play games on ultra everything and have it be straight up playable

[jaunty ruin]

only game i can truly say that about (for now) is valorant which in itself isnt that much of a great looking game

[dapper tartan]

Ah that’s about the same price. Have you gotten the chance to test the superlight 2 dex?

[jaunty ruin]

nope

ill be honest ive always been against logitech cuz they make one great mouse and a thousand horrible ones

i feel like what they did with the dex is just take the deathadder shape and logitech-ify it

[dapper tartan]

Yeah I have a weak spot for Logitech because I used to rock the mx518 for years, back in the day. But that was a time where gaming peripherals were much more scarce in the first place

[jaunty ruin]

i was a razer boy

[dapper tartan]

I think that seems about right. Although, I wouldn’t really want that much fundamentally different about a mouse

[jaunty ruin]

razer ornata chroma and razer deathadder elite

funnily enough i was actually going to get the superlight but then razer released viper v3 pro

so i couldnt just go for the older, less optimal choice

[dapper tartan]

I gave it a quick google, razer started as a company in the same year the mx518 came out

[jaunty ruin]

incredible how razer also just makes weird ass mice but then hits the jackpot once in a decade

[dapper tartan]

I just really dislike sinapse, but maybe that’s just because of how the blackshark works with razers thx crap

[jaunty ruin]

i only really like 2 or 3 razer mice, the rest i feel are just incredibly odd and quite frankly for most people deemed useless

[jaunty ruin]

nah synapse is fucking horrible

noone should ever install that app

unfortunately i have to have it to customize my mouse

but i always

always keep it closed

and open it when i need something

i never allow that bs to run in the back

[calm pulsar]

I set up 400 dpi on my mouse and deleted it lol
before I got a ninjutso

[dapper tartan]

I use it sometimes for the equalizer. But I use dts for the spatial sound, not their terrible thx integration

[jaunty ruin]

i was gonna get the sora 4k but then alot of ppl suggested i should get the superlight which ended up in me getting the viper v3 pro cuz it was brand new and everyone had been glazing it

[jaunty ruin]

for eq i use fl and voicemeeter until i get my audio interface early next year

fl primarily cuz i also produce

but other than that i really dont suggest anyone to do stuff the way i do it

[dapper tartan]

I have an interface, but need to take the time to understand it and voicemeeter

With fl, do you mean fruity loops?

[jaunty ruin]

voicemeeter is super easy