🔧│keyboard_modding

[tidal frigate]

Font looks weird

[cedar gate]

Looks fine to me?

But ok ig that's preferance

[tidal frigate]

I'am used to gmk

[cedar gate]

I like gmk but I hate the shine

And can't afford to swap all the time

[tidal frigate]

Font is not sharp enough

[uneven cradle]

PBTfans pretty notorious for bad legends, most people recommend using icon mods for the keycap sets

[fluid ravine]

Black PC plate when? :D

[fluid ravine]

embrace the shine!!!!!

[tidal frigate]

@echo thistle so look. Like i said look trough entire alexotos list propably you will find set with profile colour and layout u want.

You have sets from 30€ up to 200€+

[reef quiver]

damn the cool set I found costs 100 bucks

[tidal frigate]

Which one

[reef quiver]

resonance R2

[tidal frigate]

Gmk?

[reef quiver]

pbtfans

[tidal frigate]

Oh

It is not bad

Not my style

[reef quiver]

I'm trying to just find keycaps that would kinda fit my current setup and then later on decide which one I wanna get

[cedar gate]

I put it in but haven't taken another picture yet

[oak meadow]

anyone know where i can get artisans and GMK keycaps in canada for cheaper?

[fluid ravine]

oo

[tidal frigate]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[uneven cradle]

Cheap and GMK bit of an oxymoron

Sometimes sales on omnitype but depending on shipping might end up more expensive 😅

[oak meadow]

yeah thats what i was trying to get at, the keycaps aren't cheap themselves but some vendors have insane shipping costs to canada

but that list is great

[cold bloom]

I try to get as much of my stuff off ashkeebs and deskhero etc as a Canadian, they have most things just have to wait longer for sales etc or to get stuff that is brand new

but they do a great job I think

[brazen gorge]

Omg this is so beautiful but it's sold out T_T

[ashen karma]

I ordered this a few days ago

[sweet oak]

Ooh

Thats nice

[fluid ravine]

the iso enter just makes it so much better

[cold bloom]

I saw that set the other day it's kinda dope lol

what is that product tho

milk?

[sweet oak]

I would like a link to it

[cold bloom]

I can't seem to find them again

[ashen karma]

https://loobedswitches.com/products/tut-yakeylt

[sweet oak]

Thank you

[cold bloom]

brooo the base kit all beige is so clean

45$ for that seems unreal

[sweet oak]

Such a interesting design for dye sub

[cold bloom]

agreed

that's why the price is so solid tho I guess

[left knot]

Hey guys, sorry for asking a question here but I am going to be ordering a Wooting relatively soon and I'm trying to figure out the best option. I am debating buying the full board and just swapping the switches/case, but I could also just order the module. Any suggestions on the route I should take?

[untold wigeon]

If you’re going to change everything anyway there is no point in getting the full keyboard.

[left knot]

That's what I was thinking, tbh. I just have never actually built a board and have only done slight modding so I'm intimidated lol.

[untold wigeon]

In reality it’s only a few screws. Switches get clipped in. It’s really easy

[calm pulsar]

plus the module comes with pre-installed screw-ins stabs which are considered better than plate mounts (which are on pre-built keeb)

and also you get PC plate which sounds generally better than steel

[left knot]

Do you know if the module comes with foam?

[calm pulsar]

two types of it

[untold wigeon]

Foam and silicone

[left knot]

Okay, I'm currently using a Womier SK65 and I love the sound so I'm kinda wanting it to be more thocky than clicky so I had no idea lmao

[meager dagger]

Bro it seems intimidating as first but everything is actually pretty easy if you follow youtube video guides and wooting posts most of the guides youll need to do everything so get the module and have fun with it

[untold wigeon]

@calm pulsar or is silicone just with the pc plate

[left knot]

Yeah, I am telling myself if I am able to build my pc over and over again without any errors I can handle a keyboard lmao

[calm pulsar]

it comes with both, but the silicone is preinstalled

[left knot]

Would it be recommended to tape mod the module for a deeper sound?

[untold wigeon]

Tape mod will reflect sound and make it louder

[left knot]

Oh, I had no idea lmao

[calm pulsar]

yeah I didnt really like tape mod on my wooting

[untold wigeon]

You learn these things along the way

[left knot]

I have my eye on the tofu redux case, so I'm just wanting to avoid pingy sounds.

[untold wigeon]

Same I removed mine

[marsh saffron]

Me neither

[left knot]

when it comes to magnetic switches, would the jades be solid?

[marsh saffron]

Haven't tried it with my dashes though

[left knot]

I have heard dashes are amazing also

[marsh saffron]

Yes, although requires quite a bit to make thocky

[meager dagger]

the jades are really good i have the ws dashes

really

good

[calm pulsar]

dashes are jades, the same switch

[untold wigeon]

Metal will always have an element of pingyness

[marsh saffron]

Same thing as jades recolored

[meager dagger]

^^

[cold bloom]

tape mod has always felt a bit weird to me, just don't love the idea of sticking something to the back of my pcb

that I might have/want to remove

[left knot]

Same, I always worry about heat distribution but I know that probably isn't an issue lol.

[marsh saffron]

Put my dashes in yesterday, also got another heirloom on apex right before that.

Yesterday was a W

[meager dagger]

i didnt like it initially either but the painters tape i got is super weak

[cold bloom]

true I wonder how much it changes tho

[meager dagger]

BRO how good do they sound

[left knot]

Oh these are sick

[marsh saffron]

Amazing

[cold bloom]

fair, I think the precut sheets are also probably safe

[left knot]

Yeah I am super curious because I may go that route

[marsh saffron]

Ws dashes in a tofu redux, with black PC plate

Stock wooting stabs

[calm pulsar]

if you're getting dashes, it makes even more sense to go for the module, so that you don't overpay for lekkers you're not going to use

[meager dagger]

^^^ exactly what i have but unfortunately i didnt realise they had black pc palte so went with white

[left knot]

Can you send a link for the dashes?

[marsh saffron]

Would love something like swagkeys nights to be available as plate mount

[untold wigeon]

#Carbon Fiber plate gang.

[cold bloom]

This is mine with an fr4 plate and jades same switch

I really like fr4 for the wooting

[marsh saffron]

I got mine of mech.land because I'm Canadian

[meager dagger]

i got mine off milktooth

[calm pulsar]

ohhh damn my fr4 plate arrives in a couple of days, liking the sound signature

[meager dagger]

im from australia

[cold bloom]

deskhero has the jades if you're in Canada @left knot

[untold wigeon]

Same.

[marsh saffron]

Mech.land has cheaper but better shipping in my experience

[cold bloom]

it's great man, I used the thin switch pad it comes with under the switches then the poron foam from the wooting, then the fr4 plate

[cold bloom]

interesting

[marsh saffron]

Desk hero used a really shitty courier

[cold bloom]

deskhero came with canada post for me

from winnipeg

[meager dagger]

apparently the sticky rice switches are thokier if you want deep you might wanna look into them

[left knot]

I was looking at this site, but I dunno what the ANSI plates mean LMAO

[meager dagger]

i just prefer how the dashes sound

[calm pulsar]

you could get a plate from AE as an alternative
I got me a black POM plate which is a soft plastic like PC, so it is similar

[marsh saffron]

I always get stuck with ics from deskhero in BC

[cold bloom]

the magnets aren't recommended rn I think

[marsh saffron]

And it always takes weeks longer than it says

[untold wigeon]

Not compatible

[marsh saffron]

Mech.land is cheaper and faster for me

[cold bloom]

I had them once but they were actually the fastest I've had yet LMAO

they got me my shit from winnipeg to edmonton overnight

[meager dagger]

oh thanks for telling me this because i didnt know this one 😭

[marsh saffron]

Dawg they had my mouse in Richmond for 5 weeks, I was only 3h away

[untold wigeon]

No problem

[cold bloom]

LOL I hate that

[marsh saffron]

They said it would deliver in 1 week, shit sat in a warehouse in Richmond for 5 weeks

[cold bloom]

I paid canada post for xpress post not express or w/e for a shipment from ashkeebs recently and it look longer

canada post kinda struggling rn

[calm pulsar]

yeah I will be trying CF and FR4, but FR4 I got from "keyboard fun store" and not from kbdfans lol, cause they had a full black one

[marsh saffron]

Very hit or miss

Had them for my dashes, and they actually moved the package over the weekend

Which shocked me

[cold bloom]

oh okay, probably similar enough end of the day

[untold wigeon]

@left knot if you’re in US Milktooth ships from Cali.

[left knot]

You're a legend, thank you.

[marsh saffron]

I have NEVER seen Canada post move a package over the weekend

[cold bloom]

yeah they've delivered to me on a sunday a few times in busy seasons lol so I respect that

[marsh saffron]

Especially for 7$ shipping

[calm pulsar]

btw, that is tray mounted right?

[cold bloom]

Canada post came to my door on a sunday at christmas a few years back

I was like WHAT

[left knot]

Any idea if I can get the Tofu Redux from another vendor besides KBDfans?

[marsh saffron]

Okay that's actually a W

[cold bloom]

this is oring friction mounted, 70A

[untold wigeon]

No problem

[cold bloom]

yeah I was shocked

[marsh saffron]

You know who has been the absolute best for shipping for me

Intelcom

Those guys are goats

[cold bloom]

yeah they're great

[meager dagger]

ive never had delivery on a weekend in australia

[marsh saffron]

Delivery on weekend, always fast asf, never damaged packages

[cold bloom]

my DHL deliveries here always come super late in the day and it drives me nuts

otherwise solid

and I played baseball with my UPS driver so I usually get stuff early in the day from them

which is nice

[marsh saffron]

Where Iive now only has 1 mail truck a day and it's later in the afternoon

[cold bloom]

fair

[marsh saffron]

Like 3-4pm

[calm pulsar]

did you put anything on the case standoffs? I'm just wondering if it pushes all the way to the bottom or just hands mid-air to avoid contact with the metal of the standoffs

[marsh saffron]

Small town things

[cold bloom]

I get Canada post at like noon, fedex usually comes at like 9AM, UPS will come first thing too, but DHL always shows up at like 8:40PM

LMAO

[untold wigeon]

@quiet bay you around?

[cold bloom]

I have a thin piece of case foam from stupid fish, it does have cutouts for the standoffs tho so I covered them in medical tape

just a thin piece of tape to stop contact metal to metal

[calm pulsar]

gotcha gotcha, excited to oring mount mine, never tried it

[cold bloom]

yeah it's great, can be a bit tough to get out so be warry of how hard you press it down in lol

I've noticed it works better with no plate foam but it doesn't sound the best that way with HE switches

[untold wigeon]

I need to buy some o rings. I love the sound Pochizo gets

[cold bloom]

are you in Canada?

[untold wigeon]

With the Cerakeys

[calm pulsar]

hmm I wonder if I can cut the plate foam to allow better tolerance with the oring, I have a bunch of different plate foams so might try this

trim it off at the edges

[cold bloom]

https://rndkbd.com/collections/accessories/products/60-o-ring-gasket-cord if anyone in Canada needs an oring for friction mount this is probably the best option, I didn't get this one but I wish I did lol

[quiet bay]

here

[cold bloom]

it's not really the plate, it's more the location of the standoffs for the wooting pcb

[left knot]

If I purchase dashes, do I need to look for a certain key cap type or are PBT compatible?

[cold bloom]

it presses the oring out a bit near the backspace and the spacebar, if you have no foam it just kinda compresses easier

[untold wigeon]

Get those springs yet?

[cold bloom]

all the same

[left knot]

Awesome, thank y'all for the advice and help 🙂

[quiet bay]

I dont think I have

[untold wigeon]

@cold bloom that’s for gasket mounting right?

[untold wigeon]

Bummer. Hopefully tomorrow

[quiet bay]

yee I wanna see how snappy they are

[calm pulsar]

so the plate standoffs push it out? or maybe the backspace stabs do?

[cold bloom]

you generally don't have to worry about keycaps fitting unless you go way out of the way for some kinda retro switch or something @left knot like Topre switches or something, which aren't common

[untold wigeon]

Break your finger off snappy. lol.

[quiet bay]

[cold bloom]

mostly the standoffs

with plate mount the stabs are mostly out of the way

it can just be a bit tight in the original tofu I have anyway with plate foam/standoffs

[calm pulsar]

I see, I have a fb60 so i'll see whether its very tight or not, but I feel like it is tighter in this smaller case

[untold wigeon]

Oh mama. Expensive but gorgeous.

https://mekanisk.com/products/fjell-keyboard-case-only?variant=43780381376686

The unfinished one in particular

[uneven cradle]

Front lip too big for me

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-duck-lips-botox-fake-lips-gif-25274619

[uneven cradle]

Pretty much

[calm pulsar]

there's a build video on the page, and the gmk set in it is so good

[untold wigeon]

I still want to build in a holy60 but encase it in lexan and see if I can make it sound respectable while looking cool.

[harsh dove]

@tawdry tree so uhhh, im retesting the Kailh Mistrals, remember we said they didn’t work? Do you remember what firmware you were using when testing?

[untold wigeon]

When did Cam get Mod status?

[calm pulsar]

yo Cam is a mod now

[harsh dove]

Few hours ago

[untold wigeon]

Nice!

https://tenor.com/view/o-captain-captain-my-captain-o-captain-my-captain-dead-poets-dead-poets-society-gif-17610151

@harsh dove

[harsh dove]

Thank you

[fluid ravine]

Trying to get use to big bro with the green tag AND the name change

[harsh dove]

Name will go back to normal

Eventually

[fluid ravine]

lul

im kidding its just the green

[harsh dove]

Just embracing the Rappy snappy

[sweet oak]

Green best color

[jade storm]

how df!!

good shit Cam

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/respect-my-authority-cartman-south-park-respect-me-im-in-charge-gif-22089203

@harsh dove be like

[harsh dove]

But uh I’m retesting the Kailh Mistral (Fully POM switch) and uh they work now?

[harsh dove]

They didn’t work before

[sweet oak]

Oh my god…. Its….. its beautiful….

[harsh dove]

And now I’m thinking it’s a firmware thing

[sweet oak]

That font is so good

[calm pulsar]

yeah, not my build, but gmk taiga is awesome

[calm pulsar]

I actually found a seller for gmk taiga locally, but I'm kinda doubting cyrillic alphas

[sweet oak]

what are those?

[harsh dove]

Some switches I tested about a month ago and said they didn’t work but now they do

[sweet oak]

Interesting

[harsh dove]

And I’m thinking it had to do with the firmware I was using

Cause that just doesn’t make sense

[median spade]

Those the Kailhs?

[harsh dove]

Yeah

Full Pom switch

[cold bloom]

yeah probably similar

[calm pulsar]

these stems look tight
how do these sound?

[median spade]

Also grats Mr moderator

[harsh dove]

Ty

[untold wigeon]

Omg someone just listed them!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/135151045578?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=YpHIOX_3QxS&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=8hmdpzngt6k&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

WHY DONT I HAVE MONEY!!!!

[fluid ravine]

those looks nice lowkey

[cold bloom]

wait full pom switch

how does it sound

[calm pulsar]

let's hope they stay there for some time 😄

[harsh dove]

Yeah I’m gonna have to retest these

[sweet oak]

More coffee keycaps make the world to round

[harsh dove]

Testing currently

[uneven cradle]

Gz on the mod upgrade

[harsh dove]

Tyty

[untold wigeon]

I know it’s not for everyone but I love them.

[harsh dove]

Idk how to describe it, it’s like soft clacky lekkers ?? Ima need to fill the whole board to see

[uneven cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/gumball-discord-mod-gif-22325292

Now apart of the discord mod club

[harsh dove]

Fr

[worldly tinsel]

i need some help…

[harsh dove]

With?

[calm pulsar]

ohh I forgot they are open bottom

[harsh dove]

Yeah they are

[worldly tinsel]

while trying to do the tap mod on my 60he+ and one screw wont come out

all the other ones came out perfectly fine

this one just isnt turning man

[worldly tinsel]

and im starting to panic

[calm pulsar]

im a closed bottom andy so... I assume no existing closed bottoms work with these? since they are from a whole different manufacturer

[untold wigeon]

Pull up on the plate while unscrewing

[worldly tinsel]

alr

[harsh dove]

Hmm, have you remove this screw before?

You can try the rubber band method and sort of place part of the rubber band over the screw head and then jam a screwdriver into the rubber band/screw head and see if it loosens

[harsh dove]

Likely hard to Frankenswitch but I’ll see what I can do

[worldly tinsel]

first time disassembling the keyboard

[harsh dove]

Gotcha

[worldly tinsel]

ill try that tho

[harsh dove]

Yeah keep us posted

Try to avoid stripping the screw

Otherwise gonna have a whole nother problem

[untold wigeon]

Sounds like it’s already stripped

[worldly tinsel]

i started panicking when that happened…

[harsh dove]

Yeah it still looks okay, try using a bigger Philips head

[worldly tinsel]

it worked!

tysm man, I got so scared for a second

[brazen gorge]

Found these on AliExpress, thoughts?

https://www.aliexpress.com/i/3256806868248167.html?gatewayAdapt=4itemAdapt

[tawdry tree]

Latest firmware at that time so I think the version before the current beta. I’ll recheck them in a bit.

[harsh dove]

Okay, so apparently they work fine on 2.7.2

I believe I was using 2.8.0 when I tested them

And claimed they didn’t work

[harsh dove]

Awesomeee, happy to assist

[harsh dove]

Yeah impossible to Frankenstein these

Everything on these is completely different

Even the springs size

They’re skinnier like an Mx almost

[tawdry tree]

That’d be extremely odd, so they work on an older version but compatibility is reduced on a newer version? 🥴

[calm pulsar]

good to know, thanks!

[harsh dove]

Yeah I’m gonna have to test to confirm

[tawdry tree]

They very similar to MX

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[tawdry tree]

stem fits through most mx top housings

just bottom housing not rly compatible with mx

[polar girder]

Full POM is cool

Imma need a full nylon switch ASAP tho

[sweet oak]

Candy switches

[cedar gate]

Damn u got mod

[tawdry tree]

1st is on 2.7.2 (pre reverse polarity support), second on 2.9.0-beta-.0.
They are the same, they do not have the magnetic strength needed to reach 4.0mm. The rectangular blocks you see in 2.7.2 is not overloading, it’s compensation.

@harsh dove

So you could say they are more supported on 2.7.2 but that’s not really the case.

This is on 2.9.0-beta.0 too when pressing quite hard.

[harsh dove]

I’ll share my findings in a bit, still testing

Very weird tho

[cold bloom]

@fluid ravine after some tweaking pretty happy with this rn

[uneven cradle]

Frog mini finally arrived 🙌

[cold bloom]

I learned to play valorant on a steelseries apex mini before I got my wooting, I just played in the range with my mx build after a long time using RT

it's crazy how used to it I got lol

I am practicing my counter strafing a lot more recently but damn RT can save ur ass in that game I find

[tawdry tree]

On 2.7.2, the “compensation stage” is reached earlier. I presume it was noticed that Jades actually reach further than that so the “compensation stage” was lowered. Not a fantastic explanation but I hope you get the point.

[small canyon]

Loving the wooting so far already beat my typing best wpm.

Gaming is a bit tough.. I rest on the keys a bit. Gotta get used to not having tactile switches. Night and day difference when it comes to that

[tawdry tree]

You’ll get used to it for sure

[cold bloom]

I was having some weird issues with the new firmware I was telling cam

my switches all actuate differently on the new firmware and if I set them to 4.0 with jades they don't work

[ashen karma]

Jades are 3.5 max no?

[cold bloom]

yeah but it works on 7.2

same keyboard after reverting firmware

[cold bloom]

yeah it was stuttering random keys

and not actuating the rest all the same

and it completely dissapeared when I reverted the firmware

[tawdry tree]

It’s quite funny, the “compensation stage” I said that’s supposed to be reached by Jades isn’t reached here. This should def be a bug report to Syte if you haven’t already. The purple is the exact behavior Sticky Rices showed, I presumed that that was firmware because the magnet itself doesn’t fluctuate like that, looks like I was right.

Thanks for sharing by the way, quite useful info.

[cold bloom]

I shared this with someone in a support thread who said they'd pass it along

it was acting really weird and I thought it was the case or the switch pad etc but when I took the switch pad out it was there just less noticeable

and when I revert the firmware any key would work to 4.0, nothing spamming unintentionally and everything worked fine

[tawdry tree]

When was this?

[cold bloom]

which is weird cause I thought if it wasn't screwed in on one side or the switch pad was compressed weird it wouldn't be completely normal on the old firmware

[cold bloom]

just the last few days

[tawdry tree]

Wait a minute

[cold bloom]

I was playing valorant after updating from 2.7.2 and I all of a sudden couldn't walk right properly I kept stopping

so I tested it out further

[cold bloom]

[tawdry tree]

#1262764867098771527 message sort of connecting dots here but it doesn’t seem to be exactly the same. I did ask a couple times if she could test with Analog Monitor but no success.

Very odd things going on with firmware though, that’s for sure.

[harsh dove]

I don't get it

2.7.2

[tawdry tree]

You need to press slowly, to properly view the entire range.

[tawdry tree]

that’s better, but slower than that to view it more. 😅

[tawdry tree]

Hovering rather:

To view what is actual switch range and what is compensation.

[small canyon]

Is this something I need to worry about? I only updated it

Didn’t do the beta thing, not that I know of

[tawdry tree]

No need to worry.

[small canyon]

Ok thank goodness

[red abyss]

Anyone here know if there are any case mods like this one for the Deathadder v3 Pro?

Hope mouse stuff is ok here too

[tawdry tree]

Im jk

😂😂

this channel is whatever modding at this point

[harsh dove]

Yeah I get this compensation towards the end of the press

[red abyss]

Ok

[harsh dove]

Right around 2.8-9mm

[tawdry tree]

That’s how you view what is switch and what is compensation

[small canyon]

You want to mod bc of the look or the weight?

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, that’s where the compensation starts

a bit further on 2.9.0

[red abyss]

Bit of both but more because of the look

[tawdry tree]

a bit deeper* rather.

[harsh dove]

Yeah

Agreed

[small canyon]

Ah I was gonna say if it was for weight, go finalmouse. Even though I think those look cool as well

[red abyss]

I honestly dont wanna spend another like 200€ on a mouse since i have one that works completely fine and just spend like 400€ on a keyboard already

[harsh dove]

They sound not half bad tbh @tawdry tree

lol

[red abyss]

But man this one is so nice

[tawdry tree]

They’re great switches, tolerances are fantastic and sound isn’t rattly and they’re unlubed.

[uneven cradle]

Deathadder v3 pro not really a modded platform, people usually use the internals of a v2 pro or g305

[harsh dove]

It's a shame they're not optimal

[polar girder]

https://pmm.gg/products/craze-8k

[red abyss]

Yeah ik found a shit ton for them maybe i actually have a decent reason to buy a 3d printer

[tawdry tree]

Hopefully soon they will be, when firmware catches up.

[red abyss]

Thanks but was more looking for something that looks like the one i showed as i don’t really mind a bit more weight

[polar girder]

So what’s the connection to dav3 then?

You just want to reuse those internals?

[red abyss]

Yeah thats my current mouse dont wanna buy a new one

[polar girder]

What you shared is a RVMSE clone using VGN F1 Pro internals

[red abyss]

Yeah ik

[polar girder]

So yeah basically this then

[red abyss]

Guess we buying a 3d printer than

[small canyon]

Totally makes sense, I’ve bought many FM mice so I totally get it

[uneven cradle]

Gonna be a lot of work to 3d print a custom shell, unless you can find someone who's done all the hard work of designing the 3d model for the shell you want

[cold bloom]

what is compensation in this sense

like what is happening with the switch/magnet

[red abyss]

Thats fine i have a shit ton if free time and nothing to do usually so atleast im not completely wasting my time than

And wanted one anyways

[harsh dove]

If you slowly press the switch to full actuation, at around 2.9mm it snaps to 4.0mm (Kailh Mistrals)

[uneven cradle]

Yeah would be a cool project, let me know how it goes if you go for it

[cold bloom]

oh wow

interesting

[polar girder]

I’m sure you could buy an stl file of two different mods and probably piece something together

Would be cool to learn 3d printing/designing for sure

Just need like the base that would attach to a dav3 pro PCB and then the shell that looked like the RVMSE

Or design it from scratch

[red abyss]

yeah have been thinking about it for a while but didnt want to buy one to just print useless trash now i actually have a reason

[polar girder]

That’s what’s up

[cold bloom]

that's dope

[polar girder]

Yo v2 knight stabs dropping at some point soon by the way

[cold bloom]

I'd love to learn how to print even some hangers for a peg board or some small things

[polar girder]

I’ll cop them then

[polar girder]

Yeah it would come in handy for sure. My wife would probably like it if I could craft up some handy stuff for around the house lol

[red abyss]

i can print stuff for my sim rig than too never even thought about that lol

[polar girder]

And mouse shells

Right

[red abyss]

shit ill buy one tomorrow

fuck im making myself poor

[polar girder]

For now

[cold bloom]

LMAO

sim racing is so dope

[red abyss]

wanted to spend like 50 on a case mod and now im buying a 3d printer

[cold bloom]

you could def print like different brackets

or fix things if needed

[polar girder]

Tried VR sim racing?

That seems like a solid VR use case

[cold bloom]

not myself but I really want to

[red abyss]

Yh have a reverb g2

[fluid ravine]

What if i just-

[cold bloom]

just like dirt rally with a sim rig etc

asseto corsa

[fluid ravine]

heh

[cold bloom]

thackson bro did you see my finalized build

[fluid ravine]

which one?

[cold bloom]

I didn't video it but I recorded it

[fluid ravine]

o

👀

[polar girder]

Thackson, bro, did you finalize your build?

[fluid ravine]

IM WORKING ON IT

[polar girder]

[cold bloom]

thackson is always tweaking like I am

[polar girder]

Nice bro

[cold bloom]

never stops

[red abyss]

I can finally retire the zip tied selfie stick than lol

[fluid ravine]

oh my days gyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[cold bloom]

KEKW

[fluid ravine]

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[cold bloom]

yeah I like it a lot @fluid ravine

[polar girder]

Yeah I can’t wait for two stage springs and black knights to show up bro

[fluid ravine]

Chat im going wild

[polar girder]

Should be fun to experiment

[fluid ravine]

[cold bloom]

I sent you my tofu with the fr4 plate too thackson a while back

I think chat was movin tho

with the wooting

[fluid ravine]

oh yea i saw it

i liked it

[cold bloom]

kk

yeah it works well for now

[fluid ravine]

what mount is it?

friction?

[cold bloom]

it's got a 70A oring currently

[fluid ravine]

ah i see

[cold bloom]

it sounds so quiet compared to these hmx switches/salvation lol

it's kinda trippy

[fluid ravine]

lmfao

[fluid ravine]

wait is this your hmx build or your wooting

oh gosh im tripping now

[cold bloom]

that's the hmx switches

the tofu has my wooting rn

[polar girder]

You bitch

We’ve been duped

[fluid ravine]

omg no wonder it sounds so good

[polar girder]

lol jk

[cold bloom]

LMAO

[fluid ravine]

fk

LMAO

[polar girder]

I’m iPhone gang

I can’t even watch it

[cold bloom]

I was building it all day so I thought Thackson knew

it doesn't work for you bigsly?

I thought I fixed it

[paper bloom]

Its good i heard it

[polar girder]

Black screen no volume

[fluid ravine]

yeah it is a blackscreen lol

[cold bloom]

hmm let me check

[polar girder]

Oh nvm

[paper bloom]

But it sounds like a ticking switch

[cold bloom]

yeah there's no video

[polar girder]

Yeah I get volume

[cold bloom]

ok

[polar girder]

Just was low

[fluid ravine]

its just off the mic

no camera

[cold bloom]

the first one had video but that one I didn't wanna set it up

[polar girder]

Does sound good tho

Nice and clean

[cold bloom]

yeah I like it

[paper bloom]

Soujds like flipping a light switch

[cold bloom]

these switches are so good stock for their price

hahahaha yes

[quiet bay]

nice clackkk

[fluid ravine]

alr ima go make and eat some spring rolls

ill be watching chat

[cold bloom]

I wanna get the wooting somewhere close to this

gonna need another salvation

[fluid ravine]

nah fr tho

[cold bloom]

but I think the raw he switches might be louder

so we'll see

[quiet bay]

o damn getting another salvation??

[cold bloom]

maybe eventually lol I just bought a bauer lite and more hmx switches

the bauer lite is such a good deal

[polar girder]

Salvation seems like a great clack case

Maybe I’m tripping

[cold bloom]

yeah it def accentuates the higher tones

it's not quiet

[polar girder]

Right

Yeah and it’s solid

[quiet bay]

I like the salvation because of the bezels

[polar girder]

So works well for that

[cold bloom]

just depends if you like that

I've been really surprised how much I do

[polar girder]

Yeah it’s a good looking case too

[cold bloom]

everytime I make a change to it I'm like oh wow

[polar girder]

I mean see I like and respect the sound

I just wouldn’t want to live with it lol

[cold bloom]

totally fair lol

I almost went frog mini

[polar girder]

But yeah it sounds good

[cold bloom]

I just wanted to try this for so long

they have a 65% where the springs screw into the weight not the case

so I think that sounds even better

one thing I miss on an mx 60% is mod tap tho lmao

I have layers setup that work well but it's not the same

[polar girder]

lol ignore the space bar

[cold bloom]

oh that's nice bigsly

are those the raptors?

[polar girder]

Yeah

Stem swapped with l45 stem/spring

[cold bloom]

very consistent across the board tho

[polar girder]

Yeah

[cold bloom]

the raptors sound really good I just find you can faintly still tell they're open bottom

otherwise they're really good

to me

[polar girder]

Right

Yeah I haven’t had the closed bottoms but I think I prefer the open. Idk

[cold bloom]

I hope raw he kind of gets rid of that

but still sounds a bit diff than jades

[polar girder]

Right yeah might be a nice balance

[cold bloom]

agreed

I think it's cool to see more HE switches too

I figured once we saw raptor HE's we wouldn't see more geons for a while

[polar girder]

I’m excited for the 35g two stage spring too

[cold bloom]

I have black jades that are almost here

excited to try those

I'll probably try some kinda jade/black jade/raw HE frankenswitch sometime just to see

if they fit it might slap

I might also try jade bottom raw HE spring/top

[loud zephyr]

are you going to soak yours in rust remover and polish it with scotch-brite and WD40, then celebrate by doing the haka because you're a mad lad?

[red abyss]

man i hate waiting for stuff to ship

[uneven cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/haka-samoa-gif-21582264

Is that what you did?

[loud zephyr]

ha! not my board but I'm kinda tempted to try it, the anno on mine is rat shit

[steel hemlock]

Am I blind where were the lekker 1.5 switches announced in the discord

How/when can I order them

[loud zephyr]

nah, straight to the V2's, probably not long after the 80HE release

[steel hemlock]

Ty :)

[cold bloom]

this looks dope

[fluid ravine]

AYYY

dub dub

[polar girder]

yeah i should start ordering 90 switches when i order

instead of 70 lol

[cold bloom]

how's the stock lube from first impressions

[cold bloom]

same lol

[fluid ravine]

Can you also check the analog on it @glacial wind

[glacial wind]

Lube seems fine. I’m still going to bag lube the spring though

[cold bloom]

fair, I might do the same

[polar girder]

Watch Geon come out with an all black opaque nylon HE switch next

🥵

[cold bloom]

don't talk dirty to me bigsly

[fluid ravine]

lol

[polar girder]

They’re always cooking up something lol

[cold bloom]

real

[polar girder]

Could Geon make Lekkers?

Oh snap

Ditch Gateron? Lol

Yo

[glacial wind]

i respect that geon is always cooking up new things

[polar girder]

How have I never seen this

NEED for frog mini space bar

[cold bloom]

LOL

real

it's even got a generous spacebar coverage too

[glacial wind]

he actually went from making raptors to raw he so fast

[polar girder]

Yeah instead of just a massive hole lol

[cold bloom]

agreed I was shocked

[cold bloom]

[harsh dove]

Course its sold out

[polar girder]

Ikr

[cold bloom]

does the original wooting plate foam work?

like not the module silicone so bigsly might not have it

but maybe for Cams frog

[polar girder]

Wait could this work?

For switch pad type shit

[polar girder]

Yeah I have both

Silicone pad and Wooting foam

Using foam rn

I’ve had a reg 60He and a module

[cold bloom]

oh okay the poron foam that came with the original 60HE non module had spacebar coverage

the one that came with my pc plate doesn't

[cold bloom]

ohhhh ok

[polar girder]

Oh really. Fk maybe I sold that with my 60HE in a redux then

That’s a RIP

NEVER KNEW

[cold bloom]

yeah I think I have it in my tofu/wooting rn or I'd show you

[polar girder]

I believe you

All gone for me now tho lol

[cold bloom]

fair lol

[polar girder]

But good to know

[cold bloom]

yeah it's a bit diff than the module/pc plate one

it covers the right mods a bit more too

[polar girder]

I don’t think I ever took my steel plate off my 60HE

[cold bloom]

LOL

[polar girder]

I just got the module

[cold bloom]

yeah it was under there

[polar girder]

Yeah dang lol

[cold bloom]

oh well

it doesn't make a huge diff I find

[polar girder]

Fk

[cold bloom]

it's just a thin connection along the front of the spacebar

[polar girder]

Yeah would’ve been nice tho

Right

[cold bloom]

for sure

I just find it doesn't change the spacebar a ton

the right side mods a bit more

[quiet bay]

wth heck I dont even remember having it

maybe it's because I probably replaced it with switch pads a long time ago

[cold bloom]

wth heck LMAO

yeah I've had it for a long time now I always seem to go back to it

[quiet bay]

huh weird

I wonder what happened to mine then

if I ever had it

[polar girder]

Yo Poch you think this switch film would work?

https://geon.works/products/keyboard-foams-for-60?variant=43053446365347

[cold bloom]

good question lmao

[visual sonnet]

i got a tofu60 case, lubed and filmed jade switches, new keycaps, and coiled cable. What else could i add to it, if theres any?

[cold bloom]

I have a similar one in my wooting rn from kbdfans that came with the fr4 plate

it works fine for me, but I was having some issues on the new firmware

idk what was causing that but it seems some others were too without it

[visual sonnet]

what’s this

[cold bloom]

when I left the switchpad in like that bigsly and reverted the firmware it worked fine so idk

[quiet bay]

I think it would work, if it's blocking a screw hole you can always just cut it anyway

[quiet bay]

oh wait you're talking about this foam right

[cold bloom]

https://kbdfans.com/products/kbdfans-hot-swap-switch-pad?_pos=6&_sid=e4c80966b&_ss=r @polar girder

[polar girder]

Not plate foam

[cold bloom]

there's also this

[cold bloom]

yeah earlier I was

[quiet bay]

ooo I do have it

[polar girder]

This

[cold bloom]

https://kbdfans.com/products/kbdfans-hot-swap-switch-pad?_pos=6&_sid=e4c80966b&_ss=r

[cold bloom]

this is what I'm using rn in my wooting

[quiet bay]

yeah it should work

[polar girder]

Oh cool

[quiet bay]

shouldnt really mess with the switches that much

[polar girder]

Nice might try it

[quiet bay]

since i have something thicker

which is .5mm

[polar girder]

And you also have plate foam on top?

[cold bloom]

yeah the one I linked you bigsly is 0.5

yes

[polar girder]

Nice

[quiet bay]

just one thing

the light might be blocked

[cold bloom]

just make sure it's screwed in well if you use the standoffs

[polar girder]

Ok sounds like a worthy experiment

[cold bloom]

my LEDs work fine

[polar girder]

Yeah it would be

[cold bloom]

but idk about the geon one

[polar girder]

Mines Off

[cold bloom]

yeah

[polar girder]

So idc tho

[cold bloom]

fair

if you use the 2.8 or whatever firmware it is that just came out

test your wooting in the module with the switch pad for me

[polar girder]

Which stabs you have? @cold bloom

[cold bloom]

idk if that's what caused my issues but we'll see

stock plate mount in my wooting rn

[polar girder]

Gotcha

Just curious about the cutouts for those switch film pads and stab compatibility

[cold bloom]

oh fair I'm not sure tbh

[quiet bay]

now that I think about it I really haven't seen the face of my pcb in a long time

[cold bloom]

oh wait so rgb will work?

[polar girder]

It’s pretty

[quiet bay]

mainly cause the individual switch pads are stuck onto each key lol

[cold bloom]

one sec let me check

[polar girder]

If yours works the geon would should work

Both south facing led slots

Looks like

[cold bloom]

ah shit nvm

the one that came with mine is this

I can't find the same one for sale alone on kbdfans

[polar girder]

Ahh

That one looks nice

[cold bloom]

yeah it really works well too

really dampens the sound

[fluid ravine]

sup what yall talking abt

[polar girder]

How did you get that

[cold bloom]

switch pads

[quiet bay]

what is this snap thing that's going on rn 👀

[polar girder]

I found this

https://geon.works/products/keyboard-foams-for-60?variant=43053446365347

And it generated conversation lol

[quiet bay]

I've seen alot of snaps in people's names today...

[polar girder]

The plate foam different design and the switch film

Rappy Snappy

Trendy name change

[quiet bay]

makes sense

[polar girder]

lol

[quiet bay]

now I need to figure out a name that involves rappy snappy 😂

[cold bloom]

https://de.aliexpress.com/i/1005006106923311.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2deu

[fluid ravine]

hehe

[cold bloom]

these are almost as cheap @polar girder

lmao

you could get a plate that you don't need

[polar girder]

Oh when you bought the fr4 plate?

[cold bloom]

yeah that's where I got it

idk how else to get it

[polar girder]

Gotcha gotcha

Right

[cold bloom]

you could maybe email kbdfans

and be like 10$ gimme a switch pad

PLEASE

[polar girder]

I mean I don’t really care about RGB. Mines off. But the different designs are interesting

Lolz

[cold bloom]

lmaooo fair

just playing anyway

[quiet bay]

[polar girder]

I’ll probably just buy Geon’s when the plate foam comes back in stock

[cold bloom]

good idea

hopefully it will

[polar girder]

Frfr

I was surprised those tadpoles came back in stock

[quiet bay]

Geon sells some good stuff

I just dont like shipping 😢

[cold bloom]

could be worse

I find living in Canada lately shipping is kinda the same from everywhere

not the best not the worst

[polar girder]

Lolz

[cold bloom]

LMAO

yeah that happens a lot tho

with small items

[quiet bay]

that's why 😂

[cold bloom]

they probably have a flat rate up until a pretty decent weight

so all that small stuff gets slammed with shipping charges

[polar girder]

lol maybe I’ll wait if they come out with another switch

[fluid ravine]

raw he getting ready to ship

[quiet bay]

oo you gotta post a pic when it arrives

[fluid ravine]

Oh gosh pochi joining the trend

hehe w

[fluid ravine]

ofc

Gotta send the set to cam first lol

first priority

[quiet bay]

oh yeah you gotta ship it to cam?

[polar girder]

Oh snap you have Raw’s coming?

[quiet bay]

after you receive it

[fluid ravine]

Yeah i will

Ill pay for the shipping as an appreciation

[fluid ravine]

yeah CAM paid, my shipping was cheaper than his so i did him a favor

https://tenor.com/view/jack-donaghy-30rock-alec-baldwin-counter-offer-1dollar-gif-16129209

Negotiation was.. hard

(with my dad)

[polar girder]

Sounds like that worked out

[fluid ravine]

yeah

Only thing i needed to do to end it all was show dm xdddddd

scary

[polar girder]

lol

Yeah that’s funny

[fluid ravine]

lol

[polar girder]

I could imagine being suspicious lol

[fluid ravine]

All i could do was just spam please in my head while talking to him

[quiet bay]

"free" is all you need to know

[fluid ravine]

my english just dipped

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

bargain

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-asian-dad-black-friday-no-sale-why-no-sale-gif-21836518

[quiet bay]

Damn now I want a comparison between

Jades, Lavendars, and Raw HE

[fluid ravine]

Pops or CAM got that

[quiet bay]

I like the look of Raw HES

it would def go in my keyboard xd

[polar girder]

Yeah that’ll be a good one

Raw for me would be better than raptor aesthetic

💯

I really despise the red

lol

[fluid ravine]

lol

[quiet bay]

nice to also see spring options

[fluid ravine]

yup

[quiet bay]

40, 50, and 60gf 😮

[fluid ravine]

imagine RAW HE black tho :<

actually nvm

[polar girder]

Yess. So pumped for the 35g two stage springs

[fluid ravine]

scrap that

[untold wigeon]

Cam doesn’t have the Raws yet

[polar girder]

For the Wooting 35g to compare

[quiet bay]

heck it would still fit in my keeb xd

[polar girder]

In time

[quiet bay]

since its a white and black build

[fluid ravine]

xddd

[untold wigeon]

Of course

[fluid ravine]

yup in time..

I got so impatient after ordering

i think CAM too lmao

bro said "Did the switches arrive yet"

[quiet bay]

LMAO

didnt you order it today

[fluid ravine]

i did lmfao

i just hopped onto the website as he said it

bro i felt him xd

[fluid ravine]

tf

[polar girder]

That’s my current update on Black Knights

[fluid ravine]

;-;

[polar girder]

[quiet bay]

this is like me all over again when I ordered the ceramic keycaps ;-;

cause customs and stuff took so long 😩

[fluid ravine]

ikr

djsklfjdsakl;fjasdakl;fdsja

[quiet bay]

I think it was half a month before it arrived

to me

[fluid ravine]

@glacial wind how long did it take for you to get them?

holeh

was it that long?

damn

[polar girder]

The Wooting 35g arrive on Monday but I’m more excited for the two-stage spring I think

[quiet bay]

two-stage spring = snappier feeling?

[polar girder]

More consistent I think

[fluid ravine]

It would be so nice to have nyumi's emojis rn

bro has all the nitro emoji expressions fk

[polar girder]

Like an even throughout push

[quiet bay]

ooh

[fluid ravine]

The design of the two-stage spring makes it longer than a normal “one-stage” spring. This means that the spring is compressed more than a one-stage spring during the unactivated state, and it reaches its bottom out weight more quickly. This makes the downpress feel more firm and consistent, as there is a smaller range of forces between the beginning of the keypress until bottom out or even actuation. In addition, the upstroke after lifting your finger is noticeably faster, meaning that there is the ability to rapidly repeat keystrokes in a shorter amount of time. Two-stage springs are also less likely to have spring ping because being more compressed even in the unactivated state means that there is less room for the spring to move/rotate around.

you shall read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quiet bay]

what in the paragraph

[polar girder]

Rather than a bit more of a threshold at the top

[fluid ravine]

lmao

take notes now pochi

[quiet bay]

ooh

I want two staged springs now

[polar girder]

I ordered mine off AE

[quiet bay]

what if I had 100g two stage springs....

[polar girder]

who fricking knows when those show up lol

[quiet bay]

oh damn

you wont be seeing them in like

until about a month LOL

[fluid ravine]

dude that like top out force finna go boom

finna crash out

[polar girder]

Dang

That’s quick

See I’ve had good experience with AE

this is quicker than kprepublic lol

[quiet bay]

yeah I haven't had any problems when ordering from them

yet

[tawdry tree]

AE is good for a lot of things

[quiet bay]

I've literally only ordered keyboard stuff from AE..

[polar girder]

lol every time i read “crash out” i hear Ray say “IM GONNA CRASH OUT, KAI! IM GONNA CRASH OUT!!”

[fluid ravine]

fr

[glacial wind]

1 full day from shipping, but I'm in korea lol

[quiet bay]

gah dang

[polar girder]

The ones I got only have 35g or 48g. RIP

ok night fam

[tawdry tree]

gn!

[fluid ravine]

oh right

[fluid ravine]

Good night!

[tawdry tree]

Thanks haha

I ain’t sleepin tho

😉

[quiet bay]

gnn

[quiet bay]

I need to fix my sleep schedule

before school starts 😨

[tawdry tree]

tell me about it

☠️

[fluid ravine]

Well at least we dont use "Good sleep"

[tawdry tree]

true

[cold bloom]

one thing I notice that's diff about my mx switches compared to the lekkers/HE switches is the springs seem to be much longer in mx switches

they're also a bit more narrow cause there's no magnet in the stem but I wonder how that would work in an HE switch with a longer spring

[uneven cradle]

Fwog 🐸

[cold bloom]

so clean

the case looks really nice too

[quiet bay]

ohh that looks so good

smexy

[cold bloom]

I love the design on the interior

the machining is so clean

[harsh dove]

Spill protein shake on it

[cold bloom]

everytime I see a frog I want one so bad

the side profile is so clean @uneven cradle

Are you building it now or are you waiting on parts?

[uneven cradle]

well you see i was building it before I realised I don't have the right hex bit to unscrew it

[cold bloom]

honestly I might grab one of the newer frog cases if I can friction mount the one that says it's tray mount

if I can mount it like the tofu it might still slap

[cold bloom]

[cold bloom]

you might be able to get it out carefully with a phillips or another bit like a robertson

don't force it tho

[uneven cradle]

i don't think I have anything that even remotely fits, just gonna have to take a trip to bunnings tomorrow

[cold bloom]

damn brother

I have a hex always since my biking days

[uneven cradle]

i ain't got nothin at this place just my basic ifixit kit

[cold bloom]

yeah I guess just get a driver for it tomorrow

do you know what size you need?

I think the frog just has those 4 screws on the bottom

but idk

[harsh dove]

Need a Hex 2 and there's 6 screws

[cold bloom]

ty Cam

[harsh dove]

I'mn assuming you have the smaller iFixIt kit, cause mine has one

[cold bloom]

@uneven cradle

[uneven cradle]

Mine doesn't come with any hex bits unfortunately

It's alright I'll pick up a set tomorrow there's actually a sale at a local tech store I'll just go grab it after work tomorrow

[cold bloom]

does one of the phillips not fit kinda?

or the pentalobe or something

just enough to get it out?

or the tripoint since hex is 6 sided

[uneven cradle]

I tried but they either were too big or slipping

Didn't wanna force too hard

[cold bloom]

yeah good call

just wanted to see if you tried

def don't force anything with small screws lol

[uneven cradle]

Yeah I've stripped enough screws in my life to know I definitely don't want to do it in this

[cold bloom]

LMAO

same

I stripped 1 screw in my salvation for the leaf springs

thankfully it's screwed in so tight it's not going anywhere lmao

if it comes loose over time I have another I'll replace it with

[glacial wind]

Opened up all the raw he switches. The outer stem lube is really good and consistent. No lube inside though so definitely bag lube on the springs is nice

[elfin garnet]

What’s wrong with your spacebar?

[uneven cradle]

So close yet so far

[crimson sky]

just make sure you close the case properly

aka

lay it in like that

and then put the top on the board

[elfin garnet]

What kind of plate are you using?

[paper bloom]

His running a modded plate for the frog mini

[tidal frigate]

You are also going with standoff less build?

[tawdry tree]

From the pic, he’s not.

[paper bloom]

Its gasket mount

[polar girder]

Just no foam or plate underneath it

[elfin garnet]

Well yes. I’m using the frog mini as well. I meant what kind of material

[elfin garnet]

Wth. What kind of plate did you get?

My lil 🐸

[paper bloom]

Shld b alu

[elfin garnet]

Oh I see. Thank you

[tidal frigate]

Clean

[glacial wind]

I hit the jackpot. Geon sent me 91 Raw HE switches instead of 90

time to buy a lottery ticket

[normal schooner]

[tidal frigate]

I will snitch on u for stealing one switch

[glacial wind]

maybe he respects my religious activities and this is my reward

[tidal frigate]

Maybe

We are more like cultists

[glacial wind]

i prefer the term spiritual pathfinders

[polar girder]

Hypehyboards PP plate

[autumn pike]

Is it worth it lubing Gateron Magnetic Jades? Or should I keep 'em stock?

I purchased an aftermarket springs for it since I find the stock ones too light

[paper bloom]

If u feel like its too light change it out ig

[glacial wind]

up to you - depends how picky you are with lube spread. Like I just lubed my set of Raw HE switches very lightly to spread the lube more evenly than a machine can do, but realistically it's a very minor improvement over good machine lube

[acoustic sand]

Any one know a good website for key caps for the wooting two HE? Like gradients or anime style keycaps. I live in the US but I'm okay with international shipping and etc.

[steel hemlock]

If I order new lekkers are they the v1.5 or still v1?

[tidal frigate]

What is your budget

[lucid sluice]

Hey all. I want to gummy friction mount the 60HE in a Klippe case. Should I use the PC plate or the stock steel plate? Also would you recommend adding foam in the case or should I leave it empty?

[tidal frigate]

Everything is prefrence

[acoustic sand]

Any price under 150 for key caps. Not including shipping.

I’ll pay anything for shipping as long as it’s worth the price

[polar girder]

Plate is preference. Both work. Foam slightly affects fit but also mostly preference for sound

[tidal frigate]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/ try over here