🔧│keyboard_modding

[fluid rivet]

the tofu brass weight
it only makes the keyboard feel a premium heavy weight right?

[random plinth]

i think i cant go any other keyboard after wooting

not for gaming

like u dont notice the delay before you switch, but after you finish the rapid trigger learning curve its like playing on every other keyboard is delayed

[fluid ravine]

It does make the keyboard more heavier, and it also fills up the cavity of where the brass goes in terms of hollowness.

[tawdry ore]

I want to at least try finalmouse as 1 it’ll be an upgrade and 2 it’ll be similar to my mouse performance

[tawdry ore]

absolutely

and the .1mm

[fluid rivet]

oh and wb the plates
is the pc plate from wooting better or the glass fiber from tofu

[random plinth]

preference but pc plate thoccier

[fluid ravine]

Comparing with and without brass, ofc it's heavier, but when having the brass weight in the case, the frequency of the case is much denser, so its less pingy or hollow i'd say

[fluid rivet]

i remembered when razer released the 1mm huntsman te and i thought that was fast as heck back then

[random plinth]

rapid trigger has made me a guardian demon

[fluid ravine]

Personal preference like rere said, but keep in mind steel plate has the highest pitch frequency as pc has the lowest based off of the charts

[tawdry ore]

new beta firmware makes it better

[fluid rivet]

but wooting ships so slow 😭

i didnt thought of adding the pc plate in my order

plus arent the switches from wooting already lubed
why do some ppl still want to open and relube it again

[fluid ravine]

Yes the switches from gateron are prelubed from the factory, people tend to lube their switches to make it sound and feel more smoother than the factory itself.

[fluid rivet]

i think fr4 is pretty balanced so ill prob order the glass fiber when i buy their alu case

[random plinth]

lowkey like a lot of people say ceramics are bad for gaming because the heavier weight makes it slower to return but i dont see why full keystroke return time would be an issue especially with rapid trigger

[fluid ravine]

I mean iirc KBDfan's shipping is longer since its from china

[fluid ravine]

If you were to buy stuff from KBDfans, I'd recommend buying it off from aliexpress since their shipping is cheaper even from the same store

[fluid rivet]

💀 well i mean its prob going to be flying over the pacific so it should be like a week to get here

[fluid ravine]

ehh ig so

[fluid rivet]

what do i search on aliexpress

[fluid ravine]

i'll get you the link

[fluid rivet]

okok ty

[fluid ravine]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805726692665.html

[fluid rivet]

so same price just faster and cheaper shipping?

[fluid ravine]

Yep

[pastel vigil]

just makes the keycap itself feel sluggish

[fluid rivet]

man i dont really know if i want the dark blue or black

if i get the dark blue then ill have to get keycaps

[fluid ravine]

On my end
on aliexpress after shipping and taxes my total ends up to $74 USD as KBDfans my total ends up to $91.04 USD

[fluid rivet]

what keycaps do u use and what do u think about the mt3

[fluid ravine]

I use the glorious gpbt nebula keycaps ( i regret it) but its a thick cherry dye sub pbt keycap set

if i were to be honest I dont know much about keycaps, I understand the basic I dont know anything in details

[fluid rivet]

https://www.amazon.com/DROP-Hi-Profile-Doubleshot-Compatible-Keyboards/dp/B0B5B8199K?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1 youch

do they have these in aliexpress?

[fluid ravine]

I'm not sure

[fluid rivet]

@fluid ravine UHHH

[fluid ravine]

And from the looks of it, in my opinion these keycap profile are good for typist as the profile is pretty high, I dont really recommend it for gamers as it raises the wrist which causes straining. But again I'm not really sure as I dont know much about this keycap profile, I'm just going off based of looks

[fluid ravine]

Yeah same price on KBDfans

This is optional for you

[fluid rivet]

yeah but liike its no longer avaliable

[fluid ravine]

If you want, you can buy wheel weights instead of buying the brass weight

its cheaper and it tech does the same thing of filling the cavity and making it weigh more

[fluid ravine]

Oh and to add on, higher profile keycaps tend to give more a "thock" sound as in extending the lower pitched frequency of the word if I'm explaining this correctly

[fluid rivet]

https://www.amazon.com/CK-Auto-Adhesive-EasyPeel-Motorcycles/dp/B06XDHXRT7?th=1 these?

[fluid ravine]

yeah yeah

I dont know if these are the exact ones but

something like that

[fluid rivet]

tbh I'd mostly use my anc earbuds when doing anything so I wont be able to fully hear the keyboard

[fluid ravine]

Alright then you should be worried about the typing angle and feel of it then

[fluid rivet]

yeah i guess

im noting down suggestions for when I feel like I'd mod the wooting 60he+ to its fullest

[fluid ravine]

Imo I'd advise against buying high profile keycaps cus of straining as it really isn't good for long term use

[fluid rivet]

rn I think after it comes I'll maybe do the tape mod

[fluid rivet]

if the wooting is good enough then I'll stick with it

[fluid ravine]

Pls keep in mind that modding is usually made to fix the problems of your keeb or when you want to achieve a specific sound or feel of your board.

[woeful oxide]

Anyone know diy solution for the rocking spacebar when using magnetic jades. Don’t really wanna pay crazy shipping for the stem rings

[fluid ravine]

Yeah wooting keycaps are OEM profile, which you would get with every normal gaming keyboards

[fluid rivet]

I am using a laptop keyboard rn so I think the wooting would be heaven

[fluid ravine]

haha

[meager dagger]

the wooting is just heaven regardless

[fluid rivet]

tape mod would be the vip section in heaven

[meager dagger]

^^

[fluid ravine]

Not to dis on wooting but I'm not a fan of the HE bs when it comes to keyboards. Like its cool and all but I really would use MX boards as my daily drives as my wooting for gaming

[meager dagger]

thockson i saw you mention before youve had a lot of HE switches, just wanted to ask whats your best preference for thocky sounding he switch?

[meager dagger]

yeah this is actually fair but for gaming just makes me cream myself

[fluid ravine]

Oh actually that's Pops (The ThockFather, I call him Pops cus hes like a dad to me and to the community)

[meager dagger]

oh lmao sorry

[fluid rivet]

oh and boss man
is the gatheron jade thing justifiable of its 70$ price tag?

[fluid ravine]

All good but I can still answer that question for you

[fluid ravine]

To be honest, based from my opinions, in the HE market I don't see why HE switches should be about or technically $1 a switch

So not really no, but if you want it for specific reason I can't stop you

[fluid rivet]

does switching the he60+ switches to something much more premium and expensive get rid of the rapid trigger?

[pastel vigil]

way cheaper on ali express

like not even 70 cad let alone usd

[fluid rivet]

same question

if i were to swtich to a really premium switch (idk one) does it rid the abiility to use rapid trigger

[fluid ravine]

Usually there isn't any thocky sounding switch, but so far the switches that have the neutral or low pitch would be the KS20u's and Lekker V2. Lekker60/45 are tech the same thing as their bottom out pitch sounds the same but the stem tolerance between stem and top housing is honestly intolerable, so I can't count that.

[fluid ravine]

MX and HE keyboards are two different categories

[fluid rivet]

uhhh

[fluid ravine]

So MX boards can only be used with MX switches and vice versa

[fluid rivet]

ohh

[fluid ravine]

mhm

[fluid rivet]

what do i search for then
like "HE keyboard switches" ?

[fluid ravine]

Ok so more in depth with HE switches

Wooting pcb's uses the KS20 family switches

[meager dagger]

ahh yeah ok ill look into them, im generally happy asf with how mine sounds atm anyway but I get the feeling u can always make it better 💀

[fluid ravine]

as other brands uses KS37 and other reverse polarity switches

[fluid ravine]

So if you want to search for HE switches for Wooting, search up the KS20 line

and to figure out which ones are compatible go to #🪛│modding_faq

[fluid rivet]

wait so switching these switches as long as they are HE switches would not impact or rid the ability on the rapid trigger right?

[fluid ravine]

Lol I always think that and I still personally do

[fluid ravine]

nope

but you must have the right switches (KS20, Lekkers (V2), KS20U, and Jades (KS20T), Raptors)

[woeful creek]

is it just a regular frog plate or does it have to be made specifically for the wooting? do you or anyone know of any sites that sell these?

[fluid rivet]

Geonworks Raptor HE Switches

these one sound good

[fluid ravine]

It has to be made specifically for the wooting

[fluid ravine]

oh yeah and that, i forgot about that one

[fluid ravine]

And sadly no I don't know any sites that makes custom plates

[fluid rivet]

oh nvm they are the same as lekkers

[fluid ravine]

You can ask one of the other community members

[fluid rivet]

4.0mm of distance

[fluid ravine]

@median spade TAKE OVER

[fluid rivet]

so i guess Gateron Magnetic Jade Switches should be the best one right?

[fluid ravine]

There isn't any best ones, all comes down to personal preference

"Rule #1 - THERE IS NO BEST! Switches, stabilizers, plates, dampening materials, keycaps, or cases, all come down to PREFERENCE. My favorite or someone else's favorite may not be your favorite. This also applies to how a keyboard sounds, feels, and looks! Please avoid asking "What's the best xxxxx?""

[woeful creek]

https://cafege.com.au/products/frog-mini-he-plates?variant=44643481387253
i saw someone recommend this site, anyone know any US or nearer located vendors?

[fluid rivet]

whats the best for performance gaming

[fluid ravine]

They serve the same

[fluid rivet]

ah nvm I guess ill keep the lekkers then

[fluid ravine]

As of right now, Lekkers are the best optimized ones from wooting, but again every other switches work fine

[fluid rivet]

although i could...

[fluid rivet]

are all the aliexpress ones legit?

[woeful creek]

that has a longer pole/shorter travel, its a preference thing but technically for gaming (although its super small), there's less adjustability for those specific switches

[fluid ravine]

Jades works fine as well despite the shorten travel distance of 3.5mm, the wootility hub are optimizing their software for it as we speak but again it still works perfectly fine

[fluid rivet]

lemme read the modding faq for how the jade differs

[pastel vigil]

as long as it's a reputable seller

[fluid rivet]

uhh how can i tell

[fluid ravine]

Add on to this, the max travel distance you can set to jades are 0.1-3.5mm

as lekkers are 0.1-4mm

although its not a big deal at all

[pastel vigil]

on the pic you sent, top right, will show seller name and rating

if its stoer21321312 with 50% feedback amybe avoid but if its a legit sounding store with high feedback go for it

[fluid rivet]

i have to buy a long pole stablizers too to go with it

[fluid ravine]

Alr guys, I have to go to sleep now, have a good night, I hope I answered majority of your questions and find them useful

[fluid rivet]

jesus

[fluid rivet]

gn

wit but they have like only 6 sold

[median spade]

hypekeyboards.ca

in toronto

[median spade]

what is this referencing

[woeful creek]

would i have to send them a plate file?

[median spade]

nah he has one in his list

[fluid rivet]

r u the expert in switches?

[median spade]

for the right price I am

$110/second is my rate

[fluid rivet]

yippe 110 dong

wait u are buyable?

[median spade]

get jades if you want higher pitched sound, get ks20us if deeper

[woeful creek]

i might be stupid but i dont see it on the site, ima keep lookinmg but if you could send that link i would have everything i need!

[median spade]

so he has a link that say plate list

it's just on there

but when you check oiut you would put Frog Mini - Wooting 60he

[woeful creek]

i see now, would i just dm/email/commission them to make it since its not in stock?

[median spade]

liket his

[fluid rivet]

what about a smoother quite sound

man i think ill have to buy it from kbdfans

because aliexpress doesnt sell the brass weights

😔

[woeful creek]

just copped the frog mini with the hypekeyboards plate, thanks!
gonna return my alumaze, but it will be worth it in the end

[hybrid cairn]

i have that case in black with the brass weight if ur interested in buying it from me (as long as ur in america)

if ur not in america then ur gna have to pay shipping

it also has a plate i just forgot which one

100% mint condition

[fluid rivet]

i'll have to see if I like the 60he+ in stock first (yes im in america)
if I feel like i want to make it better then I'll contact u

[hybrid cairn]

alright :)

is there a major sound / feel difference between "low" and "high" quality keycaps? ive mainly used whats considered to be "low" quality keycaps so idk if theres a diff or not. Just ordered jades for my 80he so im doing some research into what keycaps i should get and how much i should spend on them

[woeful creek]

it depends mainly on the material

i like the way gmk sounds and feels but i dislike how it shines, though i should probably embrace it
i use pbt for casual stuff, its fine for what i do and tends to sound deeper than abs keycaps

[glacial wind]

Generally there might be small sound differences but people are paying more for better quality normally and not necessarily sound differences in keycaps

[hybrid cairn]

what is the difference between quality?

[glacial wind]

It’s more things such as the printed legends are sharper/not misaligned, less warping issues and such

[hybrid cairn]

all ive heard is that they have better legends and they dont wear as fast

i see

are cheap ones from reputable brands fine?

or should i js buy like

gmk ones

[glacial wind]

If you’re not fussy then cheaper keycaps are fine honestly. Just depends on the brand and what it is

[hybrid cairn]

cause i saw some black gmk ones from drop for like 110

[hybrid cairn]

ooo

[glacial wind]

I’d more pick a design you want first then see what’s available

[hybrid cairn]

i mainly js wna buy black ones

thats really it

[glacial wind]

For example black on white or white on black are easily available from many vendors at decent quality

Depends on the material you want too

PBT vs abs

[hybrid cairn]

all ive heard is that pbt is the greatest of all time

allegedly

[hybrid cairn]

also abs sounds like

a bit better

[glacial wind]

Preference mostly

[hybrid cairn]

again i have no clue

i found these but i cant tell what material these are

https://drop.com/buy/gmk-white-on-black-custom-keycap-set#signupv2

[glacial wind]

Some prefer abs, some prefer pbt. PBT does wear slower though

Personally I’d just get these https://shop.wuquestudio.com/products/in-stock-ws-pbt-wob-keycaps rather than gmk, but I’m not an abs fan due to sweaty hands

[hybrid cairn]

man i cant tell the difference between the ones i send and the ones u sent

[glacial wind]

I don’t like shine on abs. Some don’t mind it though

[hybrid cairn]

thats crazy

[glacial wind]

Gmk is abs

These are pbt

[hybrid cairn]

o

w o a h

so which ones are better for jades?

[glacial wind]

Neither

Preference.

[hybrid cairn]

o.0

[glacial wind]

If you don’t like shine over time then go pbt. If you don’t care then go whichever sound profile/design you prefer

[hybrid cairn]

i have like no experience when its comes to sound profile

i like all sounds

as long as the sound is clean

[glacial wind]

Asking which is better with jades is like asking if Coke or apple juice is better - there’s no real answer and it depends on what you want and preference

Both will sound clean

[hybrid cairn]

cocaine and apple juice is a strange comparison

[glacial wind]

TLDR - you’re basically asking an unanswerable question because you could ask 200 people and 100 might say gmk and 100 might say the wuque set

It’s completely preference based on what the person prefers and the material they want

[hybrid cairn]

ig ill just close my eyes and pick one then cause visibly i cant tell the difference

[glacial wind]

Or you know maybe look into abs vs pbt first

Because you’re choosing between 2 different materials. There’s a million YouTube videos you can watch that go over the pros and cons of both materials

[hybrid cairn]

i mean ive heard both, felt neither (in high quality), and only know that pbt sounds deeper and wears less, abs sounds brighter and wears slightly more and shines over time

[glacial wind]

Then which of those pros do you care more about

[hybrid cairn]

mm

i mean we dont rly have any deep switches

[glacial wind]

If you don’t care about abs sound then I wouldn’t get gmk personally

[hybrid cairn]

ye then ill js nab the pbt ones

cheaper, look the same, wear less

[glacial wind]

People get gmk because they want high quality abs keycaps but you pay way more for them

If you don’t care about abs or the design then there’s no point paying the gmk tax honestly and there’s cheaper keycaps that are still good

[hybrid cairn]

sounds legit to me

if only ceramic keys werent so

bad for gaming

sigh

id buy those in a heartbeat

[indigo ibex]

Anyone done switch films on the gateron jades ?

[pastel vigil]

Where did you find a frog mini

[pastel vigil]

dont do it

[woeful creek]

in stock rn as barebones kit on geonworks website! only in silver rn though

[pastel vigil]

https://geon.works/products/frog-mini?

Idk if this is compatible with wooting pcb

different layout

[marsh saffron]

Same

They look/sound so good but I would hate to play fps with them

[vale pewter]

Hey guys, may I have y’all’s opinion on my first build? Key cap recommendations appreciated.

• DROP + FU11.META1 GMK MECHA-01 R2 KEYCAP SET
• PC plate
• plate foam
• GATERON Magnetic Jade Switch
• TX AP Stabilizers + uhmwpe tape mod
• Wooting 60HE+ pcb
• WILBA.TECH SALVATION Leafspring case

Will a coiled cable have any impact on the performance of the board?

[marsh saffron]

If you get wootings it for sure won't

[vale pewter]

Thought so, thanks

[marsh saffron]

However cables that are too long or low quality can have issues with tachyon mode

[pastel vigil]

keep the stock stabs

[pastel vigil]

btw teh pcb comes with a pc plate

[vale pewter]

Got it, was worried it would stunt anything so I’ll stay clear of those. The stock stand are better? Will try them tmmrw

Don’t know why I added that

[elfin garnet]

only silver 😦

[shell crown]

Okay quality cable + not longer then 3m total should work

[timber pike]

will the staebis stabilizer work for the 60he+

[little glen]

Asking again cause i didnt get a response yesterday, seems like they are UV printed (or at least the ones i am looking at atm) and idk how durable that is or if i should just avoid that and go for something else

If its durable enough to not cause issues on shift/tab or other keys that arent in constant use all the time then it should be ok but i want to make sure i dont get something that‘s going to look like shit in a year

[cedar gate]

Pc plate is for thock and jades are for clack u may want to pick one or the other also imo salvation is overpriced and inferior to the tofu 60 redux for an he board (mx is a different story) I would recommend a friction or gasket mount (get stabs that work with those) and gmk really only looks good for a few months if you want like a long term look try pbtfans instead coiled cable should be fine but when you get a pc plate make sure u use the foam attachment not silicone

[stray tiger]

No GMK caps are going to look great with constant use after a while. Yes, the UV printed legends don't hold up as well but if you're concen are caps that look new for a long while, I'd avoid ABS caps

[little glen]

🤔

[stray tiger]

I don't agree that the Salvation is inferior to the Tofu Redux at all, however it's definitely not as good of a value.

[polar girder]

Yeah only silver for frog mini makes the decision easy for me lol

[velvet egret]

kinda wanna try out the frog mini... not sure if i should..

[polar girder]

I have a feeling you won’t regret it

It seems really nice

For what I want at least

It’s a little expensive but pretty nice to take it to the next level

[velvet egret]

Before i got my redux i wanted to get the frog but then saw you needed a custom plate and since i was very new to the keyboard space kinda moved away from the frog mini and took the simple option.

[polar girder]

$15 for b stock discount kind of laughable tho lol

[stray tiger]

Silver is a great color too. Probably one of the only colors that match everything.

[polar girder]

But see, silver isn’t black

So therein lies the problem

[stray tiger]

You're right, it's better than black. Problem solved!

[velvet egret]

Do you know if theres an eu store for the frog mini?

[stray tiger]

There is only one store with stock I believe and that's Geon directly

[velvet egret]

ah alrighty, and for the custom plate where does one get those? ( EU if possible)

[elfin garnet]

Could spraypaint it 😄

[elfin garnet]

Im wondering that as well. Doesn't need to be EU but needs to be ISO support

[median spade]

Interesting that Geon only restocked with Silver

Wish he didn't stop producing the black variant after the first run

[harsh dove]

I secretly told him that once I get a silver frog, everyone will want one

[flint silo]

is lubing important when modding a keyboard? or i can just change the case and the keycaps and other things without lubing them at all?

[median spade]

Like we said yesteday nothing is important

you can just use the keyboard and modding is for preference/fun

[flint silo]

ahh i see, so lubing only makes it sound better? and feels a bit smoother when u press it?

[median spade]

the switches are already prelubed as is, and if you have never modded anything you won't know any different

they won't feel smoother just sound different

[flint silo]

do u lube yours?

[median spade]

I have lubed over 10000 switches

so yes

But I used my 60he for a year and half before I ever did

and mine were dry without lube from factory

[flint silo]

how long does it usually take to lube 1 keyboard

[median spade]

for your first time will easily be in the 8+ hour range

[little glen]

Eh, depends how thorough you are

[flint silo]

dang i think im too lazy for that

[little glen]

I did my wooting one in 4ish hours

With 0 experience

[median spade]

You probably have experience modding other small items then

My first time was only 8 hours as i didn't buy a switch opening tool, the next time I did it was only 2.5 hours

[little glen]

I did have a switch opener

[flint silo]

how about the case and the keycaps? do u guys mod it also?

[little glen]

So that helped

[median spade]

Yeah II say 8 hours as every first timer, understandably, doesn't want to spend money on the switch opener

and then will do a flat head screwdriver or something else

[flint silo]

is it expensive to mod the case and keycaps?

[median spade]

get keyboard, and use it first, then see if you want to change it

[flint silo]

okay then thx, ill ask u guys again once ive tried the keyboard and im sure about modding it

[median spade]

Yeah, obviously we're all about modding, but you may just like the keyboard as is

no need to spend a lot of money yet if you end up liking the keyboard how it is

[cedar gate]

Do you mean swap the case and keycaps or modify them?

[loud tiger]

When it comes to Keycaps

Is there like a size thing?

I dont want the Keycaps too close to each other

I bought some Keycaps off of aliexpress and they are too close to each other

[median spade]

Tolerances

not sure what you mean by too close however

[loud tiger]

Too close to each other

You know how there's some space between the caps

[median spade]

Oh yeah, that's just down to tolerances, the plate, switches, etc

I have some boards where the space is bigger on some areas, and closer on the other

[loud tiger]

Oof

[median spade]

Indeed

[loud tiger]

So it's a hit or miss

[median spade]

Yeah it's not limited to qualtiy of keycaps either as I only use GMK

most of the issue is the board itself and how the plate is

[loud tiger]

Wouldn't all Keycaps of a certain profile be uniformin size

[median spade]

less of a issue on metal plates and stiffer ones etc

[loud tiger]

All*

[median spade]

yeah should be

obviously there is some tolerance +/-

[loud tiger]

Got it

[median spade]

what it could be, like on the one you shared, is the stem tolerance

[loud tiger]

Thank you very much

[elfin garnet]

Maybe the profile he bought is somewhat wider. Just a thought. Not familiar with mda profile

[median spade]

np

it is wider, but what they're talking about is the consistency between keys space

its one of my pet peeves with hostwap pcbs on the mx side for example

that's when I've noticed it the most

[loud tiger]

Im pretty sire the US version of the wooting is double shot PBT

sure

That's the one I have

So as long as I get PBT they should look similar in terms of space between them

I really like these ones

[velvet egret]

@median spade where did u get your custom plates for your frog mini?

[median spade]

hypekeyboards.ca

[velvet egret]

Thanks, if i recall correctly you tried out a bunch of plates if not all, which ones did you prefer?

[median spade]

I only tried out pom and alu

but for HE switches at the moment just do plastic plates

metal plates no good

[harsh dove]

Probably thinking of me

[velvet egret]

yeah maybe which ones did u like?

[harsh dove]

I got all the plates

[velvet egret]

dayum xD alright

[harsh dove]

And exactly what Tent Euro said

[velvet egret]

aight pom the way to go then

good to know so i dont waste money on other stuff

def know alu is not the way to go xD

you orderd them all also from hypekeyboards.ca?

[harsh dove]

Well the ones I have for the frog are from Tenturo

But the other plates are from SMKeyboards

But yes he ordered them from Hype

[velvet egret]

ah alright thanks.. trying to find all the places that have them but shipping is literally crazy expensive

[shrewd kiln]

hi, just got my wooting two he, and space sound sooo bad and loud. Any cheap fix?

[velvet egret]

Lube

[median spade]

are you EU?

[velvet egret]

yes eu

[agile grove]

lube the stabs with dielectric grease

[shrewd kiln]

no its like not switch sound. Its keycap hitting stab or plate idk, happens bc i press it hard left or right side

[shrewd kiln]

well worth a try, can be stab problem

[median spade]

look at laserboost then

https://www.laserboost.com/keyboard-plates-models/

https://42keebs.eu/shop/laser-cutting/custom-laser-cut-switch-plate-other-part/

here is another one

[velvet egret]

@median spade Awesome thankyou! ill reach out to them and see whats possible & pricing! super helpful

[median spade]

Np

[obtuse fossil]

I NEED THESE KEYCAPSSSSS ASAAAAAPPPPPPPPPP

[median spade]

@stray tiger you try the sticky rice yet? Hovering over the add to cart rn ever since they can be swapped with mx tops

[elfin garnet]

please let me know what you find out broski

[velvet egret]

Alrighty, will do!

[loud tiger]

@obtuse fossil i got them from a post on the wooting subreddit

EVA01 xda keycaps

https://www.reddit.com/r/WootingKB/comments/1c2dzoe/bgkypro_60_x_wooting60he/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

heres the reddit post

[velvet egret]

@median spade Do you happen to have/know where i am able to get the file for the custom Wooting plate for the frog mini?

[median spade]

Someone posted it in here

you'll have to go diggin

Hypekeyboards just had his own so yeah

[elfin garnet]

@velvet egret i think this is ansi. Thockfather posted this

[velvet egret]

yeah i had found it earlier

thanks for the post ❤️

[elfin garnet]

Are u using ansi or iso?

[velvet egret]

Ansi

[elfin garnet]

rip I need ISO

[velvet egret]

ah rip, i read that iso wasnt compatible not sure if that has changed or not since that comment

coulndt find an iso one.

[elfin garnet]

yeah I dont know. I really like the frog so would be nice if it was possible to get it in iso

[velvet egret]

Hm alright, i will keep that in mind once i get responds from of the guys im in contact with ill ask if its possible

or maybe we can get confirmation from a wooting member in here

[fluid ravine]

Tent Euro 😂

[elfin garnet]

thanks g

[harsh dove]

Out with the old, in with the new

[fluid ravine]

drop the old one trusttt

[velvet egret]

oh shiet is that the new solo?

if so they redesigned it

i had gen 2 till i swapped over to goxlr mini, well i still got it but its in a drawer

[harsh dove]

nah it's the 4th gen 2i2

old one is the 2nd gen

Which I've had since it released in like 2016

and has worked flawlessly

and still works

[fluid ravine]

:D

[harsh dove]

I just want the look of the new one

[velvet egret]

they finally figured out to put the xlr connector on the back xDDD took them long enough

[harsh dove]

Dude Ikr

[fluid ravine]

Me going with the budget road, was going to ask my dad for a fifine sc1

[velvet egret]

yeah i never had issues with mine i just wanted to be able to easily adjust voicechat/music/gamesound which is the only reason why i swapped over

i fkn HATEDDDD that my xlr cable came out from the front

@harsh dove for your frog mini did u like pom or pc more?

or didnt notice a difference?

[harsh dove]

I only have POM and Alu

[velvet egret]

ahhh ha alright

[harsh dove]

and tbf POM and PC are very similar

[velvet egret]

i can get pc but its pricey like almost 50 euro

pom is cheaper

ah if they are similar ill go for cheaper option xDDD

[harsh dove]

Yeah just get POM

[velvet egret]

alrighty thanks!!

one step closer to ordering my FROGGY

🐸

[elfin garnet]

any ISO news for the plates 😢

[velvet egret]

Not yet waiting for that answer

its 1:34 am. imma head to bed ill @ you when i got an answer for you

[elfin garnet]

good night friend

[velvet egret]

gn

[cedar gate]

What kinda pc plate you buying bruh over here they are around 17 euros

[woeful creek]

i bought a custom cut polypropylene for $30, 50 euro is a lot

[fluid rivet]

what is ze brand

wait nvm
i think if i were to get a plate it'll be a glass fiber

[woeful creek]

fr4?

[cedar gate]

Glass fiber do you mean fr4

[fluid rivet]

es

yes

[cedar gate]

Do you want thock clack or a mix

[fluid rivet]

i dunno
it was an option between carbon fiber or fr4

the kbdfan thing

tofu60 redux

[woeful creek]

did you buy the 60he+ module? it comes with a pom plate

[fluid rivet]

they had 2 plate choices

[cedar gate]

Carbon fiber is super clacky

[fluid rivet]

yeah fr4 is like only a bit behind pc

[cedar gate]

Fr4 is a mix of clack and thock

[fluid rivet]

mhm
balanced. as it should

[cedar gate]

If you are going for a thock board I would get pc tho

[fluid rivet]

wooting ships very slow
I forgot to add it with my 60he+ when i ordered

so I dont wanna pay an extra $10 for shippin

[cedar gate]

Wooting Shiping is free but it does take a while

Good things are worth waiting for tho

[fluid rivet]

Y wooting no sell cherry profile for 60he+
me angy

[fluid rivet]

RAAA

[cedar gate]

IK I JUST WANT CHERRY PROFILE KEYS WHY THEY GOTTA BS ME WITH OEM

[cedar gate]

Huh they didn't charge me it's only 5 bucks tho

[fluid rivet]

😭 can u suggest me some good cherry profile pbt doubleshot blacklit keycaps?

[fluid rivet]

:c it coulda been free

rent is coming up too

[cedar gate]

They pbtfans WOB crosshair is my personal favorite but anything pbtfans is usually really good

[fluid rivet]

75?

[cedar gate]

Welcome to the world of keycaps where 75 is cheap

[fluid rivet]

😭

[fluid rivet]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CT5HK4C3/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=AFB5KTL5FE772&th=1 can u tell me what chu think of this?

[woeful creek]

i ordered my wooting on the 21st and got it on the 24th with standard shipping, idk if it was just a one off case

[cedar gate]

Really bad quality pbt

[fluid rivet]

u live close? or is it EU

[fluid rivet]

😔

[cedar gate]

Won't be nearly as nice as pbtfans

[fluid rivet]

are the WOB backlit/shinethrough?

[cedar gate]

Not the legends but yes

[woeful creek]

California

PBTfans is good quality

if youre not stingy, this is pretty good, ive been using it, its no GMK or shinethrough but its clean

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BR6CH1Y9?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

[fluid rivet]

WOT

[cedar gate]

Ngl tho the legends and pbt quality suck tho

[fluid rivet]

damn these letters look BOLD

[woeful creek]

these legends are pretty damn clean, and ive had no issues with the quality, i can send a pic

[fluid rivet]

bay area?

[woeful creek]

around there

[cedar gate]

There way to bold

[fluid rivet]

same

so I should be getting it quickly too
mine is currently in compton rn
still waiting for it to come up

[woeful creek]

pbt on top, gmk on bottom

[fluid rivet]

they dont seem to be shine through..

how am i going to see them letters in the dark 😭

[woeful creek]

not really many high quality shinethrough pbt keycaps

might just wanna go for some pudding caps or something

[fluid rivet]

:C

like razer ones are good but like

OEM?

why not cherry 😭

[woeful creek]

technically every keycap besides GMK is OEM, dont mind that tbh

[fluid rivet]

🥺

[woeful creek]

only GMK owns the rights to genuine cherry profile keycaps, so anything besides that is an OEM
meaning that razers are still cherry-like if youre into that, as well as pbtfans and other companies like that

[cedar gate]

Yeah those legends are super bold

[brazen sparrow]

Is that PBT fans

On the top?

The uhh

Simple?

[woeful creek]

i dont mind them, theyre not as crazy bold as something like NicePBT but theyre no GMK

and nah its that amazon link i sent to the standard pbt wob keycaps

[brazen sparrow]

Ah okay

[woeful creek]

company is called mintcaps or something like that

[fluid rivet]

istg im gonna end up buying a clone from aliexpress at this point

[cedar gate]

Gmk is abs tho which means it won't look good long term they degrade fast

[fluid rivet]

yeah that too 😭

[woeful creek]

aliexpress pbt clone quality can be hit or miss, when i first started the hobby i got some gmk bingsu clones and they were roughhh, super washed colors and janky legends

[cedar gate]

I would shell out for some pbtfans they may be pricey but they are so worth it

[woeful creek]

for PBT, id go with XMI/CRP/PBTFans (pbtfans only if youre fine with the different style of legends)

if you like the color, 21kb/xmi keycaps are stupid dummy good quality for the price, but they only come in that one colorway

[fluid rivet]

80$... ;-; where are the discount codesss

i can get the alu case for 80 😭

[woeful creek]

if you dont wanna order directly from kbdfans and pay that shipping, go to divinikey, theyre a local vendor in California if youre around there

[fluid rivet]

yippe

[cedar gate]

Your paying for that perfection

[fluid rivet]

but i can get 8 meals ;-;

[woeful creek]

i have a set of pbtfans fairy (abs), theyre nice, but the legends style arent my preference
quality is very consistent and good though

[cedar gate]

WHAT ARE YOU EATING BRUH 10$

[cedar gate]

Instant ramen life

[fluid rivet]

CALIFORNIA PRICING BRUH

[cedar gate]

One protein shake is like 10$

Not 10 but like 5 fr sure

[fluid rivet]

i dont like em

[cedar gate]

No one does we just drink them

Homemade ones are way better tho

Like their actually good

[fluid rivet]

whats the diff with dye sub and doubleshot

[fluid rivet]

ive not cooked any veggies in a while

[cedar gate]

I sneak them in protein smoothies sm1 times leafy greens peas and avocados work well since you can't taste them

[fluid rivet]

is it that hard to make a backlit double shot cherry profile PBT keycap 😔

[cedar gate]

With good pbt yes

[fluid rivet]

i'll maybe try them sometimes

[fluid rivet]

where where where

bc pbtfans are not backlit

[cedar gate]

Fr my lights work fine

At least they used too

[fluid rivet]

shinethrough?

[cedar gate]

Yeah

[fluid rivet]

i want the legends to actually show lights so I can see them in the dark

[cedar gate]

Oh the legends

[fluid rivet]

yes.

the ABCs

[cedar gate]

Your out of luck then

[fluid ravine]

Oh here's for the people that are curious on how the silicone should look like after being cut

[cedar gate]

But why just keep lights on

Or learn where each key is with muscle memory

That's what I did

[fluid rivet]

😭 them "good" ones are all OEM

[woeful creek]

dont worry about OEM man lol

[fluid rivet]

but i wanna try cherry 🥺

[woeful creek]

OEM is cherry like, they just cant use the name cherry bc of copyright junk

youll only ever try genuine cherry with $100+ gmk sets

[cedar gate]

Cherry is better for fatigue tho oem is tall

[fluid rivet]

ive been used to OEM too much and when i got intoo the keyboard community nearly everyone shits on OEM

[cedar gate]

Fake cherry is close enough tho

[woeful creek]

ive never had a problem with cherry like sets, theyre so close that it barely even matters, OEM is basically cherry, just not TECHNICALLY cherry

[fluid rivet]

these "clones" are making PBT double shot while using "GMK clone" in their name 😭

[sour blade]

this is for gummy o?

[fluid ravine]

yep thats correct

I thought about it for a little but said why not fk it cus even if i dont like it or anything bad happens i could just go back to my usual of having no pad

[fluid rivet]

tbh if there are no more option I'll bite the bullet and take your recommendation

[woeful creek]

there are plenty of options, youre just picky lol

youre overthinking it

[fluid rivet]

yes I am

https://www.amazon.com/GMKWTL-White-Black-Keycaps-35-4x15-7/dp/B0CYCL9NHY
I was told this is bad but I'll prob get this

and if its really bad then ill return it

[woeful creek]

youre buying from an amazon seller with no reviews on that keycap set

if youre willing to take that risk on that specific item, go ahead

[fluid rivet]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CT5HK4C3/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=AFB5KTL5FE772&psc=1 2 reviews 🥲

hmm

[woeful creek]

this is a decision youre going to have to make based on your preference, you just gotta pick one bud and try not to overthink it

[fluid rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fast-gif-20846652

[woeful creek]

its ok lol, getting into this stuff is difficult but just take your time and enjoy it, itll be your 1 of 1 board after all

[fluid rivet]

[sour blade]

i like gmk shine

i think they age better and i perfer the way they age

even if they shine faster

[median spade]

gmk 4 lyfe

[median spade]

Mine more jank

yours looks great

[mellow beacon]

any news on any new HE switches coming out?

They gotta be able to do better than the jades

[stray tiger]

They won't be delivered until tomorrow. Sorry man!

[median spade]

https://tenor.com/view/table-hit-yakuza-hitting-table-walk-out-gif-15307369

[stray tiger]

They are on backorder for another week or two anyway so no rush

[static tendon]

Super late response but thanks for the heads up along with @fluid ravine 🙂

Geez, I just saw off Wooting's site that Jades cost $71.99. Are they usually this expensive?

[stray tiger]

You're looking at a 90 pack

[static tendon]

Ah you're probably right. When looking at the options I didn't see a location on where to select the 70 vs 90 pack. Am I just not seeing it? https://wooting.io/product/gateron-magnetic-jade-switches?Size=90+pack

[stray tiger]

There was a selector yesterday so not sure what happened but I believe it was $57.99 for the 70 pack. But both 70 and 90 packs are not currently in stock.

[pastel vigil]

cheaper on ali express

[static tendon]

Gotcha, will have to check back again within the next couple days

[static tendon]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806198888779.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt 60$ on here

[static tendon]

Do you have any personal favorites when it comes to switches on the HE?

[stray tiger]

If you want a bit of a clackier sound, the Jades are the only real option ATM.

[static tendon]

I do like clackier sounds. Sounds like a great option

[untold wigeon]

can i get recommendations for magnetic/HE switches outside of the Lekker60?

[pastel vigil]

Jades or Gateron Dual Rails

There's Lekker45s too

[polar girder]

L45’s best feeling switch IMO

I love how it floats

[ashen pond]

to lube the stabilizers on the module, i have to remove the screws?

[stray tiger]

Yes to fully hand lube them. You could leave them screwed in and use a syringe for a quick touch up job

[ashen pond]

okay thank you

[untold wigeon]

We need clicky switches for th wooting

[glacial wind]

New switches coming from geon. Long pole version of current raptors but with tighter tolerances of 0.02mm for less stem wobble vs current raptors

https://geon.works/products/geon-raw-he-switch

[median spade]

top housing pc again man

[glacial wind]

Sound test for jades vs. these raw he switches https://www.youtube.com/live/wS8b5GZKskE?si=pbNAA8cs4-DfCpqd&t=2714

the first one is jades, second one is raw he

[fluid ravine]

so the 0,-,= are the raw he

or tech the alpha keys

[glacial wind]

the first three white keys he's pressing are jades

then the 0-= are the raw he

[fluid ravine]

ah kk

[glacial wind]

then under it are other raw he he's showing for 40g/50g/60g where he's showing how the row/spring changes sound a little

[median spade]

that's row 5 too

it always sounds bad

so that's p good

but doing the nav cluster a bit disingenuous

sounds promising tho

[glacial wind]

the only thing is I'd worry that the higher strength magnet + 3.4mm travel might amplify the side effects of it being too strong for wooting magnet compatibility

[marsh saffron]

would you be able to give me a ping when you get to try them out?

[velvet egret]

Shipping is killing me atm I’m in Europe I have contacted other companies in Europe to see if I can get a better deal

[paper bloom]

Depends on the price

[granite moat]

75 @paper bloom

[paper bloom]

USD or?

[granite moat]

USD

[paper bloom]

Not worth it if you ask me then

Run a Wooting

[paper bloom]

Id say run your own build so alteast it is better

[granite moat]

Is it a good mod?

I want wooting 60H but I want a white case , some nice looking keycaps , good switches too but I need someone to teach me how to put it together and where to buy the stuff

[paper bloom]

The stuff on the description that it gave is a good mod don't get me wrong but Id prefer to run my own build to atleast get your own experience up

[paper bloom]

Yea i got you covered

[granite moat]

Send it on dm please

I will add you

[paper bloom]

Sure

[granite moat]

Thank you

[paper bloom]

This is good but building your own is a good experience in the end

@granite moat #🪛│modding_faq

[sour blade]

tags: identification graphic material housing material he switch hall chart graph infograph info stats switch list switch chart

(status) template
initial-force: g
bottom-out-force: g
total-travel: mm
stem: 
top-housing: 
bottom-housing:

gateron magnetic jade
initial-force: 30g
bottom-out-force: 
total-travel: 3.5mm
stem: POM
top-housing: PC
bottom-housing: NYLON

gateron ks20 dual rail
actuation: 30g
bottom-out-force: 
total-travel: 4.1mm
stem: 
top-housing: 
bottom-housing:

geon raptor he
initial-force: 42g
bottom-out-force: 52g 
total-travel: 4.0mm
stem: POM
top-housing: PA112 NYLON
bottom-housing: PA66 NYLON

gateron ks20 magnetic orange
initial-force: 38g
bottom-out-force: 50g
total-travel: 4.1mm
stem: POM
top-housing: PC
bottom-housing: PA66 NYLON

gateron ks20 white
initial-force: 30g
bottom-out-force: 
total-travel: 4.1mm
stem: POM
top-housing: PC
bottom-housing: PA66 NYLON

(unreleased) geon raw he
initial-force: 40g/50g/60g
bottom-out-force: 
total-travel: 3.4mm
stem: POM
top-housing: PC
bottom-housing: NYLON

(unreleased) everglide sticky rice
initial-force: 40g
bottom-out-force 50g
total-travel: 3.5mm
stem: POM
top-housing: PC 
bottom-housing: NYLON

ws dash 
initial-force: 30g
bottom-out-force: 50g
total-travel: 3.5mm
stem: POM
top-housing: PC
bottom-housing: NYLON

wooting lekker L45/L60
initial-force: 30g/40g
bottom-out-force: 45g/60g
total-travel: 4.0mm
stem: POM
top-housing: PC
bottom-housing: NYLON

(unreleased) wooting lekker v2 L45/L60
initial-force: 30g/40g
bottom-out-force: 45g/60g
total-travel: 4.0mm
stem: 
top-housing: 
bottom-housing: 

in the case i fail to keep this documment up to date, here is the raw doccument so someone can maintain it, ping me to delete original if this is the case

[brazen sparrow]

Is this 4mm or 3.5 like jades?

[glacial wind]

3.4mm, so even shorter travel than jades

[harsh dove]

We have a list of around 40 different HE Switches

[velvet egret]

SAY WUT 40?

[paper bloom]

Theres more than 40 next year i'll give you that much

Considering keyboard companies/part companies are now working on HE stuff besides gatereon

Gatreon*

[velvet egret]

exciting stuff...

[harsh dove]

Yeah and more and more will continue to pop up

It’s the year of HE as we say

Except for Logitech

Idk what they’re doing

[paper bloom]

@harsh doveGot a question sorry 4 the ping

What stabilizers do you happen to run?

I remember you said ran the TX AP screw ins

Or plate stabs

[harsh dove]

Rn I’m actually running TX Screw-in on my spacebar and Wooting stock plate mount stabs on the rest

[paper bloom]

Is the fitting any good ?

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[paper bloom]

Hell yeah ok thats a plan right there

Thanks

[velvet egret]

Yeah even Finalmouse changed their KB to HE KB so curious how that will look

[paper bloom]

O and apparently metal on metal with Screw ins are fucking loud

Espcially on the space bar and the backspace keyt

[polar girder]

Common friction mount W

[tropic garden]

you said 40!!!! what is the "fastest" switch. lowest force and travel distance?

[harsh dove]

Low profile HE

[pastel vigil]

travelling less and having a soft spring doesn't make a switch faster

[tropic garden]

if im strafing it does

[pastel vigil]

doesnt work like that but ok

[tropic garden]

agree to disagree

[pastel vigil]

You are factually incorrect

[harsh dove]

You’re both correct

[tropic garden]

https://tenor.com/view/mika-noah-raj-yay-cheer-gif-26009901

[polar girder]

NEED

Silent also plzzzz

[harsh dove]

The HE Apple keyboard

[vale nest]

YO can someone help me out, I wanna buy the wooting 60he module but I'm not sure if it will fit in my current keyboard case: razer huntsman mini ⁉️❓️

[pastel vigil]

it wont

Just buy the prebuilt, it's not that much more expensive compared to the module.

[vale nest]

ohh damn

aight

Thanks man

[elfin garnet]

lmao

[velvet egret]

@elfin garnet Still havent gotten an answer for an ISO plate in eu for frog mini. I have however gotten answer from a company in AUS who can make them ISO.

[elfin garnet]

nice thank u. Which company is it?

[velvet egret]

https://cafege.com.au/

It's not on their website but you can contact them through discord and "john" will be able to get it made.

Once i know more about an EU company ill let u know

[elfin garnet]

I see. I didn't mean to add to your list of things to do. I can contact them myself if you have the contact information. I appreciate it tho. Did you order the frog mini yet?

[pastel vigil]

This frog mini won't work, you need the older one afaik

[velvet egret]

Why wouldnt this one work?

[obtuse fossil]

with rappid trigger your travel time or duration does not matter because it will activate exactly at the distance you set it to if you have a travel of 2 mm vs 4 mm it will only make you bottom out quicker ( it will still activate and de activate on0,1 if thats what you set it to ) wich does not mean you will activate or deactivate faster so not gonna make any diffrence only thing that will make a diffrence is if you get a keyboard that has lower activaion point than 0,1 mm 🙂 goodluck finding it

[pastel vigil]

Different layout

the bottom row is incompatible

[velvet egret]

you can literally pick the layout

[elfin garnet]

yeah I saw u say that Fenix and didn't get it. The one that is displayed in the picture wont work but you can just choose the "Winkey" option and you're good

[pastel vigil]

I completely missed that when I was looking it over

[elfin garnet]

it happens

[velvet egret]

you almost gave me a heartattack

xD

[pastel vigil]

Most of the pics show wkl so I was bamboozled lmao

[elfin garnet]

yeah most setups on youtube are other layouts as well. Pisses me off because I dont see the point of the other layouts and I want to see how it would look in a full 60% layout lol

[median spade]

42keebs didn't say anything?

[velvet egret]

it's no problem glad i can help. i unfortunatly dont have contact info. a guy named John is there main guy in discord who can look more into custom thingies that arent on the website

[velvet egret]

Not yet. waiting for a response

laserboost only does metals so not going down that route

i also havent confirmed anything i wanted to know pricing before i decide

@elfin garnet I did order my frog mini already though. orderd it this morning. i go out of town soon for 6 weeks so wanted to make sure i get it before i leave/before its sold out again.

[obtuse fossil]

why arew we buying frog minis ?

whats the deal with these inform me pls

[velvet egret]

https://geon.works/products/frog-mini?variant=43617665810595

[median spade]

Best sound for 60he is all really

[elfin garnet]

yeah that's true. I might do that as well and just sell it if I dont find a iso plate for it

[stray tiger]

@median spade these switches are never going to arrive lol

[median spade]

I did their configurator and looks like 25-35 euro

[median spade]

What is that utah to ny moment

so baffling

[stray tiger]

No the UT to NY one delivered 2 days ago haha

[median spade]

oh i was zoomed out that says NV

[elfin garnet]

Out of all the cases that fits the 60he I think the frog mini looks the best aesthetically

[stray tiger]

This one got routed SLC to Denver then back to SLC and then when it finally was supposed to deliver they decided to make it pick up at the post office so I said to reschedule delivery for today and now its in limbo...

[obtuse fossil]

i dont like the rounded edges tbh

[median spade]

Would look even better if we could do 7u and split right shift on 60he for wkl

[median spade]

Sounds like USPS alright

[obtuse fossil]

i like the machining and stuff but if i could have an inbetween of this and the tofu id go for it

[median spade]

I will say I've had way better experience with USPS in the east then when I lived in Utah

why? no clue

[obtuse fossil]

and the version that fits the wooting is winkey ?

[median spade]

yeah

just because it has no blockers

[velvet egret]

Ah alright. im new to this whole custom plate idea so id rather have contact with someone there who knows what they are doing so i dont mess anything up.

[obtuse fossil]

yeah okay thanks 🙂 \

[median spade]

I only like frog design really with WKL myself

the rounded edges look much better with blockers imo

[elfin garnet]

What's the point of WKL? I really dont get it

[median spade]

it looks cool

or better

[velvet egret]

i need my Windows keys i would die without i use them so often

[pastel vigil]

I don't get it either. Looks stupid.

[median spade]

it just from when cherry made boards without winkeys

as winkeys weren't a thing always

I love it as it adds more negative space and makes the design nice

[elfin garnet]

it looks stupid and I would hate not having a windows key. Prolly my most used modifier behind alt or tab

[median spade]

Idk how you guys think it looks stupid

this is the defintion of ugly and stupid too me

https://cannonkeys.com/cdn/shop/articles/DSC_5877_1737x.jpg?v=1618453461

Told myself once I started keyboards I would never use this layout again, and wooting out here got me dying

[pastel vigil]

Removing 2 keys doesn't do a lot

[median spade]

Makes it look nice

80he layout is nice as it has symmetry and gets rid of the ugly 4 keys on right with 3 on left

[pastel vigil]

to each their own 🙏🏻

[elfin garnet]

I could love the look and still choose to have it because I need the key lol

[pastel vigil]

FN is only useful bottom right key

Dunno why we need 2 contorls and 2 alts

[median spade]

who even uses the right side is the question

[pastel vigil]

fr

[median spade]

I can't even tell you the last time I touched the right modifiers

[pastel vigil]

Apparantly some gamers use right shift to walk in CS or osmething

[median spade]

My right shift is fn since I don't use right shift when typing

Okay tthat's weird lol

[pastel vigil]

yup

[median spade]

do they have like giant hands

how is that even possible

[pastel vigil]

I have no clue

I have a hard time visualizing it

[stray tiger]

You sure you dont mean left shift.

Well maybe if they are a left handed player but ....

[pastel vigil]

I'm 100% positive

Someone was talking about here the other day when we said that right shift is usless

[agile grove]

I use right shift when capitalizing "I" and its part of my discord mute and deafen keybinds

otherwise its completely useless

[harsh dove]

This shipment tracking is longer than my resume

Tf is it that long for

[agile grove]

I also sometimes use it to capitalize letters on the right side of the keyboard in general

[stray tiger]

CA to UT and we are at like a week haha

[harsh dove]

Lmao

[somber roost]

Maybe bit difficult question but I wanted to ask, does anyone have any keycap set recommendations that go well with this desk mat?
Flexible with budget and location is Europe but this is for an ansi board

[pastel vigil]

GMK Civilization

light mode users be like

[somber roost]

Thank you

[sour blade]

technically low profile doesnt matter right?

and i really mean technically

i understand fully players tend to bottom out

yeah gmk civilization will look good but they're for so much in aftermarket rn

they're like 300

[sour blade]

its because people use narrow cases

its not the layout

[harsh dove]

It was in response to someone asking for the “fastest” HE switch.

[sour blade]

even the stock wooting addes more mass to the bottom to elongate

[little glen]

The fastest he switch is the one you like most

😎

[sour blade]

yes, travel distance shouldnt affect speed right?

on a technicality

[harsh dove]

Not necessarily no lol

In theory yes

But it depends on each individual

[sour blade]

its not the layout thats the problem, if you use cases like
KBDFans 5° 60%
or
salvation
the problem doesnt exist

[harsh dove]

Technically speaking, shorter travel and a lighter spring could be faster in the sense that it requires less distance and less force to bottom out and/or reach its activation point , but then that all depends on the individual user and how hard or fast they press and etc etc

[obtuse fossil]

no not technicaly and not even in theory because your activation point stays the same xD

[sour blade]

yeah im aware i tend to bottom out keys so travel distance matter a lot

[sour blade]

yeah but the wooting actuation point floats becuase of rapid trigger

[loud tiger]

How much do you guys keep your rapid trigger sensitivity on

[sour blade]

if you even lift it a little it lets go

[harsh dove]

???

[loud tiger]

I had on the lowest since I got the keyboard. Recently I switched it to the highest lol. Feels like a whole new world

[harsh dove]

You can change activation points.

[sour blade]

your actuation point isnt actually at the top of the keyboard at 0.01mm

[obtuse fossil]

yea but i mean if its set to 0,1 mm and you have a travel distance of 10 mm or 1 mm not gonna matter because it activates on 0,1 mm

[little glen]

Lowest my keyboard allows but since its a one, its not as fast as a normal 60he still

[sour blade]

no the actuation point floats when you use rapid trigger

because even if you let go and press down again

when your switch is half pressed

thats your new actuation point

[loud tiger]

@little glen 🙂

[sour blade]

because thats just how rapid trigger works

[little glen]

Or highest however you view it

[harsh dove]

Either way my point stands

[loud tiger]

I wish my car accelerator had hall effect 🥲

[agile grove]

but in the case of HE the user can set their own activation point therefore making how long it takes for a switch to bottom out mostly irrelevant

[harsh dove]

Something that requires less distance and less force will reach its target destination faster.

[loud tiger]

Anyways talking about cars

[harsh dove]

Simple really

[obtuse fossil]

yes iknow what u mean but you still need to let go the same amout xD even if you have 10 mm bottom out or 1 mm

[little glen]

I wish my gas pedal had analog controls, i can only fully push in out take the foot off

[sour blade]

my question is
does bottom out distance matter for he switch speed

[loud tiger]

Did yall buy a pre built car like a normie or build one yourself like a chad 😏

[little glen]

[loud tiger]

I built mine

Im somewhat of an expert myself

@little glen you need to add dks to your car pedal

I ha e ir

I have it

[sour blade]

i need hall effect gas pedal;s

[pastel vigil]

no, because none of us have our actuation set to 4mm

[obtuse fossil]

there are many hall effect sensors in a car tbh 🙂

[sour blade]

(yes i am aware there are analog machines)

[harsh dove]

Correct

[pastel vigil]

the only thing that matters is actuation distance for "speed", outside of using meme 250g springs, it will take the exact same time to press no matter what switch you use

[sour blade]

yeah
especially because the key can re-activate at any point as long as the direction is changing

[median spade]

I've used over 130+ custom keyboards it's the layout haha

it sucks and is ugly

[sour blade]

travel distance doesnt even matter with hall effect its just the change of direction

[harsh dove]

That’s why I said “and/or reach it’s activation point” , not only bottom out

[obtuse fossil]

what i meant exactly

[agile grove]

erm actually I have my windows key set to 4mm on my gaming profile

[pastel vigil]

Am talking about the gaming relevant keys ffs

[agile grove]

I know I was just messing around

[pastel vigil]

And anyone using 4mm on their HE keyboard should be adjusting their settings and not buying different switches for "faster" input

[harsh dove]

Yeah cause there isn’t actually a faster switch

But you guys are more than welcome to press your switches as fast as you can

[stray tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-keyboard-comoeumesintoquando-cemsq-textao-problematizar-gif-10382608

[harsh dove]

In other words the fastest switch is the one you press the fastest

[median spade]

This is the only acceptable layouts for 60%

[harsh dove]

Split right shift 7u bottom row

And WKL

[median spade]

it's right there

what do you mean where is it

[sour blade]

no i mean the size

[harsh dove]

lol

It’s the right size

[stray tiger]

No split backspace?

[median spade]

split backspace good too

[harsh dove]

Eh

[median spade]

i just didn't want to download more images

[harsh dove]

Idk how I feel about split back

Messed with muscle memory too much

Plus I like when backspace stab sound good

[median spade]

also acceptable

you mean beautiful

makes the right shift area look more even

[harsh dove]

Yeah I’d rather have mod pipe and 2.5 back

Or 2.0 whatever

[obtuse fossil]

ew 100% disagree

[median spade]

how is symmetry ew?

[harsh dove]

He wants asymmetry

[median spade]

I feel strongly about this layout

https://divinikey.com/cdn/shop/files/KBDfans_Takka60_Keyboard_1.webp?v=1704410167&width=1225

if you get into keyboards ands till choose to use this layout

It litearlly is not lol

Tell me how 3 on left of spacebar and 4 on right is

But yeah if anyone chooses to use that layout after a lot of custom keyboards when 7u and split right shift is the option

[obtuse fossil]

well on your keyboard the row on top of the bottom one isnt symetrical xD

[harsh dove]

This debate of opinions is entertaining

[obtuse fossil]

M is in the middle of your spacebar if you think thats okay youre not okay in the head xD

[median spade]

The only time time full right shift is acceptable is on WKL TKL and that's it

[stray tiger]

Symmetry

[harsh dove]

That 7 key says otherwise

[median spade]

6u spacebar would be cool too

[stray tiger]

No one uses caps lock anyway

[harsh dove]

Truth

[obtuse fossil]

WHERE THE F IS CAPS

[median spade]

gone off the keyboard

like it belongs

[harsh dove]

Unnecessary

[obtuse fossil]

YOURE TROLLING RIGHT ?

[median spade]

No

[harsh dove]

Just left shift brothers

[median spade]

Why would anyone want caps on their keyboard lol

[harsh dove]

No need

[median spade]

This is the only time that full right shift is acceptable btw

[stray tiger]

ok fine "Alexa make it even more symmetrical"

[median spade]

https://keebsforall.com/cdn/shop/products/QKX54Qz_d.webp?v=1666660835&width=1000

[harsh dove]

Only people who need Caps Lock are people who yell in all caps on Twitter

[median spade]

it's almost like it always is

[obtuse fossil]

this one is okay

[median spade]

And you just proved my point of why split right shift is the best

6.25u ansi is not balanced in anyway

It makes the right area more porportionate to the left

not sure how you don't see that

[obtuse fossil]

its okay if u prefer what u prefer but dont use weird ass excuses as symetry as an excuse xD

[median spade]

It's closer to symmetry

[obtuse fossil]

burn this picture it hurts my brain

[median spade]

There is a reason 99% of designer who make custom keyboards don't use the awful wooting 60he layout

How does planck even relate here

[obtuse fossil]

i have a fair amount of custom keybaords all the sam layout tbh

[median spade]

ortholinear is it's own thing

I said balance for qwerty ansi

and 7u bottom row with split right shift looks better

[obtuse fossil]

also symetry xD

[median spade]

as well as moves the left mod closer to thumb

left alt

Not sure what you mean by that question

[harsh dove]

You guys are all delusional

https://idobao.net/cdn/shop/products/01_a9ea8041-96e4-443b-80b4-e5586a5838de.jpg?v=1675504941

This is the best layout

By far

[median spade]

40% break all the rules

[harsh dove]

Lmao

[median spade]

I mean you're opinion is held by few if you go to the custom side of keyboards haha

No one likes full right shift really

[harsh dove]

[pastel vigil]

Fn instead of delete and am game

[median spade]

I am aligning myself with the custom side as someone who has used/owned 130+ boards haha

I'm afraid to tell you Duke your opinion is in the severe minority on the custom side

Not even saying that as a joke

Once you get into the custom side no one really uses full right shift, and 6.25u bottom rows

[little glen]

Clearly this is the best keyboard layout, no question

[median spade]

Go look up sound tests and images for Unikorn, Polaris, etc

[pastel vigil]

This and numpad go hard

[median spade]

You will see how common the split right shift is

[pastel vigil]

We just need 2 numpads 👍👍

One for each hand

[median spade]

Very odd opinion you hold haha

[little glen]

Thats just an ergo keyboard

[pastel vigil]

No those suck

Numpad is superior

Thats way too much

10 uwus is all you need

Maybe even less

Yess

[little glen]

Buy 5 uwus, use 3 to type and 2 to change layers/profiles

[pastel vigil]

Use those for tab space shift etc

[median spade]

I asked my gf and brother who don't care bout keyboards their opinion just as wanted to see

"the one with smaller right shift and looks like less keys on bottom? Looks better, but I would choose the other one just because I'm used to it and it appears more functional. But that's probs because I'm used to it"

[pastel vigil]

Who cares

Yall getting worked up over weird layouts

Clearly the best layout is 120%

[median spade]

It's part of being a keyboard enthusiast you have to have a strong opinion and then anyone who uses standard keyboard layouts is a noob didnt you know smh

[pastel vigil]

Numpad on each side

[median spade]

get with it fenix!!

[pastel vigil]

Oh my b

[median spade]

know the real important question

do you use your numpad on the left, or right...

[pastel vigil]

Duel Wield 🫡

[median spade]

[pastel vigil]

Jk its left

Always

[median spade]

the correct answer

I am a keyboard enthusiast and think anyone who likes 6.25u willingly when other layouts are available is wrong yes

I used a numpad for a while, and realized I don't do anythign remotely enough with numbers at work to keep it on my desk, left side tho is goated

[harsh dove]

Left side numpad is nice

I’m pretty fast on numpad

Only cause I used to do inventory

[median spade]

Yeah we automated our inventory at work for assets

so i no longer type numbers anymore, well in high volume anymore

[harsh dove]

Yeah if you don’t use a mouse

[pastel vigil]

What the fuck is that layout

[median spade]

extended 60% with numpad