🔧│keyboard_modding

[tawdry tree]

This is actually a good point. Something that’d make the keyboard quite inconsistent.

[median fog]

unless it's recent update yeah

so basically they should go back to 4mm always, and just let people re-calibrate pretty fast when swapping switches, save to kb, so kb remembers like max travel distance at startup.

[tawdry tree]

With the current firmware the keyboard constantly calibrates each key when pressed deeper than it was previously and saving that remembering that data. That’s why I think that it can’t be good for latency.

[tawdry tree]

Yes, this would be better than choosing the switches you use in Wootility.

As that would be less accurate.

[empty sinew]

hmm the tape seems to get the board higher\stand off more, kindof looks worse on the alu-maze which already has bottom row raised above the edge

[pastel vigil]

What tape are you using and how many layers?

[empty sinew]

just regular tesa painters

1 layer only..

[median fog]

@tawdry tree but also maybe right like if i press a 3.5mm switch very hard, or it's a bit imprecise to like 3.6 or 3.7, it will register as 4mm with current firmware I guess.

[tawdry tree]

Correct. If you physically do not exceed +/- 3.5mm the keyboard understands it as a fully pressed key.

[median fog]

yeah idk, they are the ones that ultimately know all this better and should do what's best
but basing it on that 3.5mm calibration and wooting not communicating this enough to like pros and players, that's a bit concerning.
(at least I think they don't communicate it well)

[ornate plover]

Hi everyone.

I am getting my first Wooting 60HE nextweek. What is the best switches I can upgrade to?

[median fog]

wait for new wooting switches I guess, or wait for some compatible tactile switches if it doesn't affect your gameplay
not really many better switches available

[glacial wind]

gateron magnetic jades or gateron ks20u dual rail

[potent wedge]

Plate FR4 or POM or aluminum ???

[winged flint]

Because funny

[summer kettle]

anyone used the Gateron KS-20U Magnetic switches yet? thinking of buying them

[empty sinew]

yeah I do

[empty sinew]

I posted a sound video about them on my Tofu60 Redux. They are working well, come a bit overlubed, and are a bit heavier to press bare in mind, but sound pretty good oob.

[median fog]

they're all linear, not gonna be much difference in sound

[empty sinew]

there is, due to dual rail there is far less wobble, and a different contact point

[summer kettle]

ooo you got a link that i can check?

[empty sinew]

so there is less rattling, and the kickback sounds diffferent

[summer kettle]

going from the stock wooting switches so should be nice

[empty sinew]

just search my post

[summer kettle]

this one right?

[empty sinew]

did you read what I wrote on that one?

thats lekker45 hand lubed

[summer kettle]

sorry man im new to all this😅

[empty sinew]

doesn't mean you can't read 😄

[summer kettle]

ok THIS ONE

sorry sorry

[median fog]

stock wooting switches are nice too tho, and it's all linear so any difference won't be big, and wobble is even kind of nice an more pleasant to type with.
just better I think to wait for some compatible tactile he switch or new wooting switches (which will just have less issues on average than other)

unless you have enough money ofc for everything

also with linear, sound, most have headset on, so this matters even less

[empty sinew]

Agreed. I would say though one thing, the oob stock L45 has a very bad sound. Its pretty basic lube only on a rail of the stem and everything else is dry. Now if I would compare oob l45\ks20u, the KS20U sounds better by miles, they are hard lubed, and maybe for someone who doesn't want to lube their own switches its a good choice. The biggest diff would be the firmness of the stem, due to dual rail it doesn't shake and wobble much, and there is no rattle. Some will like this some wont as you said. Hand lubed L45s can sound really nice though, as I posted in the latest video, I even prefer that sound to the oob KS20u.

[median fog]

I guess yeah, but I also for example don't get how L45 is like better than L60, seems way too sensitive for like everyone. I don't even have heavy big fingers and L60 is already too sensitive.

don't see any scenario where L45 is actually better, only for like maybe children 2-12

[empty sinew]

I would say a scenario would be when you're used to very light pressing in high competitive FPS gaming. The L60 with stock springs are quite heavy to press and will cause a finger fatigue after hours of gaming sessions.

[median fog]

mine L60 are not heavy at all tho

[empty sinew]

maybe your just used to it, because I was very used to force of 40-45 and when I tested the KS20U 50g it even was much harder feeling to press.

[median fog]

with L45, you can't really rest fingers on them for example, and having to have low actuation while gaming is not great

your fingers will be like more tense because you can't rest them on keys enough, and also having to press keys more carefully to not misclick

[empty sinew]

I didn't experience such issues tbh.

I use 0.1 and 0.15 rapid

[grim steppe]

It depends on what you play

[empty sinew]

Here's my COD profile.

and I rest my fingers on WASD just fine all the time

[median fog]

@tawdry tree I only now see the new lekker beta update with calibration stuff, so this is very recent

[median fog]

eyah this is all super sensitive, especially for L45, don't know how you do it

[tawdry tree]

Wootility Beta you mean? The dynamic calibration implementation has been in the non beta for quite some time already.

[gaunt marten]

Cant u make ur own tactile with jades + ks22 optical

Or lekkers + ks 22 optical

[tawdry tree]

Not without a hassle.

[gaunt marten]

[median fog]

not only hassle, its also just gonna be semi-tactile, since 1 touch point (and on the corner), less predictable press etc.

[empty sinew]

Sensitive touch I guess 🙂

[median fog]

but I actually wonder with this new always-calibrating update, if magnets that are statically places somewhere near kb (some attachment or something), interfere much less with switches, since they're just always re-calibrated.
(well like the first press after moving magnet will be inaccurate I guess, but then accurate)
(strong magnets might still mess up things regardless, but maybe weaker and a bit further away ones won't)

it might still not be completely accurate some times, because when you press multiple keys together, the small magnet in that neighboring key I think changes the force of that bigger "addon" magnet going though the other key's sensor, etc.

[tawdry tree]

Adding magnets to HE keyboards is perfectly fine as long as the magnets don’t interfere with the HE sensor and the switch’s magnet. Steelseries’ Apex Pro has a wrist rest magnetically attached without issue.

[median fog]

it's not fine tho, it will for sure interfere at least a bit, if they're too close or too strong, or not calibrating pretty much on the fly.

steelseries he seems like has calibration mode, so I guess it's not really calibrated on the fly, maybe somehow a little not fully.

like this https://www.reddit.com/r/steelseries/comments/fq69jv/magnet_problem_whit_apex_pro_keyboard/

steelseries is almost always garbage tho in everything, look how they didn't bother to place magnets like further down and also didn't bother to use like maybe 3 times weaker magnets, but instead like stretch them out (closer to bottom) so they would have 3 times surface area than current.

it's kind of down I guess, but if they made them 3 times weaker and stretched surface area out even more down, would be better.

also judging by that first video (this picture might not be HE), it sits right below that OS key, so that's why it activates

[tawdry tree]

Hold a magnet over your Wooting board and it will behave the exact same. This doesn’t have to do with calibration, dynamically or not.

[obsidian dagger]

yes but putting a magnet right there is kinda dumb

[tawdry tree]

The Apex Pro calibrates on startup like Wooting’s boards. Wooting only implemented the dynamic calibration because of the Jade switches and it doesn’t seem like a permanent solution as there are a few cons to it like you yourself mentioned.

[median fog]

"The Apex Pro calibrates on startup" what does this exactly mean tho, because you can't really calibrate without pressing keys

[tawdry tree]

⁉️ He is using the magnet in the wrist rest to active trigger the HE sensor.

[tawdry tree]

You can, Wooting still does it like I explained before. It calibrates on startup and dynamically during use whereas they previously only calibrated on startup.

That’s why you can fuck the calibration up by holding a key and then plugging the keyboard in.

Goes for both Woot and Steelseries.

That’s why manual calibration would be better as well.

[median fog]

issue is that you can't really fully calibrate just on startup tho, especially not with a magnet close, you don't know that magnet's field position, affecting keys when pressed

[tawdry tree]

The magnets on the wrist rest don’t interfere.

[tawdry tree]

You can, the start and end magnetic flux of a switch is constant. If you know the start magnetic flux you can predict the end magnetic flux and thereby the location/height of the magnet.

[median fog]

but if this "on the fly" calibration is just temp solution, when it's removed, and let's say you use some magnetic wrist rest on and off, you would like have to calibrate manually when attaching/detaching it.
but it doesn't have to be visible for the magnet to interfere. but i don't have dynamic lights on to really test it like that (or strong enough magnet). but just small interference is already like enough to mess your input tho.

or attaching/detaching some addon while using kb (if magnet is in addon, but maybe more likely for it to be pretty weak magnet in kb itself, but even so, the field is disturbed by addon a bit)

[tawdry tree]

I’m quite sure you did not have to recalibrate when attaching/detaching the wrist rest on the Apex Pro while it was on. I played around with magnets a lot while using it and the switches would only trigger (on highest actuation point) when I held a magnet right above it.

Either way, if Wooting ever does do a magnetic attachment I’m sure they’ll make sure it does not interfere with the HE sensors and magnetic fields of the switches’ magnets.

Dynamic calibration is not necessary for that. 👍

[unborn crystal]

can someone help me with easy way to make my wooting 60he sound better?

[median fog]

ok actually testing now with "racing profile", putting pretty small magnet underneath kb, under the space bar (better in that gap), on 0.1 sense, i get visual response (response all around underneath kb)
even more response if i follow that gap to the left (and right)

[tawdry tree]

I presume dynamic calibration would actually be worse as it remembers the “strongest” magnetic flux. I presume if you hold a stronger magnet over a switch that switch would become unusable.

[tawdry tree]

Directly above or directly below is where the HE sensor detects the most I believe.

[median fog]

currently holding magnet like under space, getting visual response, then clicking the space key (to calibrate), after it it's still the same visual response, so it doesn't actually calibrate with that magnet present on the fly.

[tawdry tree]

I’ll test this later too. You might have to turn the magnet around as the sensor doesn’t interact with both poles.

[median fog]

testing turning around same thing

the sensor interacts with both poles tho, but turning it around, increased interaction by like x10 and keys started to even press

[tawdry tree]

Then it probably caps out when it reads a magnetic flux too high.

[median fog]

yeah, but it's really not that high, just barely activating it

[tawdry tree]

I’ll test it tonight as well.

[median fog]

sure, but my test seems pretty conclusive

[tawdry tree]

^

[median fog]

yeah but i tested with just barely key lighting up, so this little interference should really be calibrated out

[tawdry tree]

I don’t know how I can explain it better. Dynamic calibration checks for the highest magnetic flux and if it reads a higher flux than the previous reading it adjusts it on the fly. It does not work vise versa as in if it detects a lower magnetic flux it then adjusts the 0 point of a switch.

Dynamic calibration starts from 3.5mm and down.

[median fog]

magnet i used is not like super weak tho, you can definitely use a bit weaker magnets, but like larger surface area to reduce interference, but also be sure to not align poles so field path goes through sensor, but also possible to shield that direction with Mu-metals, being part of magnet - do all this together and I guess it's pretty safe.

[tawdry tree]

^

[tawdry tree]

That is your point as well if I understand this correctly?

[median fog]

it doesn't calibrate properly is all that matters I guess, so if they calibrate in some other way that's not actually adequate calibration, than yeah

[tawdry tree]

Manual calibration > dynamic calibration.

[median fog]

yeah but not with attachments and stuff moving around kb frequently

[tawdry tree]

No calibration fixes that. You misunderstand what dynamic calibration actually does but it’s fine.

[tawdry tree]

Just this.

[median fog]

unless magnets are already inside of kb - but that's not great you know, you're kind of setting up for malfunction this way.

yeah but you saw that steelseries wrist rest actually interferes with kb on movement

and in general not preferable (with strong and low surface area magnet).

[tawdry tree]

Adding magnets to HE keyboards is perfectly fine as long as the magnets don’t interfere with the HE sensor and the switch’s magnet. Steelseries’ Apex Pro has a wrist rest magnetically attached without issue.

[tawdry tree]

It does not, the person in the video you linked literally puts his wrist rest over his keyboard. 😂

[median fog]

yeah but this will happen when you attach/detach it etc

[tawdry tree]

In it’s attached position is does not interfere.

When pressed right above the keyboard it does indeed interfere like any magnet would.

[stray otter]

That would still be secondary to the primary issue of it being a SteelSeries product

[median fog]

and this for example doesn't work for my 3-part suggestion https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1203058756657619004, because of how close magnets would sit to the sensors (and aligned in a horizontal way).

[stray otter]

Magnets, how do they even work?

[tawdry tree]

Magic and Magnet both start with Mag.

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-i-think-not-coincidence-gif-4989484

[stray otter]

The Juggalos knew the truth all along!

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-dwight-schrute-reference-i-dont-understand-gif-25250966

[stray otter]

https://tenor.com/view/you-should-be-grateful-patrick-critch-pop-son-of-a-critch-you-should-be-thankful-gif-9603264006596654944

[polar girder]

Honestly kind of tempted by 8k polling lol

But form factor too big for me

[copper pulsar]

i’m tempted

i kind of want one

but

i’ve put enough money into my 60he

and i’ve barely had it long enough to consider a new board

[normal schooner]

I mean its just a keyboard in the end

[stray otter]

Same but I've had mine over a year soooooooooo...maybe

[copper pulsar]

yea

is there a case list for the 80he module ? if there is any cases for it

[quiet bay]

same 😔

[normal schooner]

[polar girder]

I’m pumped to sell my stock 60HE

With a white PC plate

[median spade]

The ones that wooting is making

That’s it

[stray otter]

For now

[median spade]

Forever

[copper pulsar]

there will probably be options in the future

isn’t the 80he gasket mount ?

or no

[median spade]

It’s kind of gasket mount as it uses a plate insert for the gasket

So what would normally be plate foam has tabs on it

[median fog]

getting JIS module with both ISO nordic and JIS keycaps has sparked my interest about 80HE more. pretty nice layout overall, with that big left shift.

does a 1.0u Alt key follow with either of these keycap sets? nicer to have it next to the left of spacebar there I think

[hushed edge]

Is this the same as M2*5-6

[median fog]

unfortunately the right shift is too far away from homerow position

maybe I will have to learn some kind of not "F and J" index finger homerow position but "F and K"

[wide kraken]

no, the number after the M is the diameter, so M2.5 is larger in diameter than M2

you'd want e.g. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DKI5ME2

(assuming this is for burger o-ring mount on 60HE trays)

[hushed edge]

Yessir thanks

Barley any of the screw was sticking out the tape I was so confused lol

Gonna hit home depot

[wide kraken]

did you get 1.5mm or 2mm thick o-rings?

[hushed edge]

1.5 i think

[wide kraken]

ye 6mm screw should be good then

[hushed edge]

With 3 layers of tape too?

[wide kraken]

i only had 1 (and eventually removed it anyways) but probably

with 2mm thick i found that the 6mm screw was a smidge short and you'd end up squishing the top o-ring out

so 1.5mm should be fine

[hushed edge]

Yea I’ve heard it doesn’t do much

Thanks a lot

[elfin garnet]

yo what kind of o-rings do you guys recommend for jades? The ones I had are too wide so they are not usable

[wide kraken]

as in between the stem and keycap?

[sonic hull]

is tapemodding the 60he in a tofu redux worth it?

[hazy citrus]

i tapemodded mine, it sounds really nice

[sonic hull]

kay,als ofor burgermount i need longer screws i think

oh wait its linked earlioer in chat

[wide kraken]

is all preference in the end, worst case you're down a meter of tape
i didn't like it in the end but ymmv

[sonic hull]

this istrue

[hazy citrus]

it gives it a deeper sound, so if you're into that then you'll like it, worth testing at the least

[sonic hull]

ill give it a shot

[median spade]

who uses right shift anyways amirite

[agile grove]

I do

[median fog]

everyone that learned homerow

pretty much

[median spade]

I am homerow typer

and never touch right shift

[hazy citrus]

right shift feels way more awkward than left for me

left is right there for my pinky

[sonic hull]

shift is 1x1 key away

right shift that is

[median fog]

on JIS at least left shift is big not like on ISO, but right shift is really too far away unfortunately

[median spade]

would feel awkward too as well you probalby don't type in japaense or use any of those keys

what's funny is that JIS isn't even really used that much in Japan

[hazy citrus]

what's the most common layout?

[median spade]

standard ansi these days

surprisingly

[hazy citrus]

oh interesting

[median spade]

I was surprised too after my malaysian friend who was also into keyboards been studying over there for 2 years now

he's like no one really uses JIS

[hazy citrus]

yeah JIS seems a little weird to use since the spacebar is so short

espicially for gaming, you'd have to stretch ya thumb when using WASD

[agile grove]

could just rebind the key there to space on a gaming profile

[elfin garnet]

Yes. When I use my GMK spacebar it sounds awful and it rattles but when I use a spacebar from a PBT keycap set that I have from KBDfans it sounds amazing. Dno what to do because I really want to use my GMK spacebar so that it fits with the rest of the keyboard

[median spade]

If it's still ticking/rattling with the gmk put plastic cling wrap in the stem of the GMK spacebar

and then push it on to your stabs

[elfin garnet]

im not sure what plastic cling wrap is but Ill search it up. The issue is definately the stems not sticking to the keycap because when I barely pull it, it falls off

[hazy citrus]

like the stuff you use to wrap leftovers with

[elfin garnet]

oh I see ill try that thanks

[median fog]

not really an issue with WASD, even better actually, reaching spacebar fine, and much easier reach the button left to it (like important in dota, like the Alt key, need to remap)
but also much better for ESDF usage for sure, something keyboards never keep in mind.

[hazy citrus]

oh yeah thats a good point

[median fog]

made suggestion for JIS no-bump J and bump K, then nicer to swap home row position to F and K (index fingers) instead of F and J (many benefits really)
https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1216076681106952304
would be pretty annoying to relearn and use that stuff with current bump on J

well it's true you could bind right Shift to the 1.0u key left to it also, but pretty lame and bad feeling when pressing it. also easier to misclick.

[agile grove]

I mean you can do whatever with your money, but im not sure why you want the JIS layout anyways. it seems to be more inconvenient than its worth.

[median fog]

because i have ISO, I always had 1.25u small left shift, and it's also a bad shift if you use ESDF (harder to reach).
the Alt placement left to spacebar would be also much better accessible with right thumb especially with ESDF (after rebinding it).
in general smaller spacebar means Alt keys (after rebinding) are closer to center and easier to do shortcuts and also pressing Alt Gr + 7 = { in ISO (try to press it, how not comfortable it is)

[median spade]

TLDR ISO bad

always has been

[agile grove]

truly

ANSI on top

[median fog]

ANSI has lame Enter tho, that's the main issue, and not enough buttons for ISO I guess, but JIS is like pretty perfect except that too far away right Shift

[elfin garnet]

White = GMK / Black = KBDfans PBT. So annoying….

[median fog]

JIS at least keeps buttons largely the same, ANSI messes with ISO muscle memory too much.

[median spade]

I think you just don't like the higher pitched sound of the gmk one is all

As I'm not hearing rattle or looseness

Mine for example

[elfin garnet]

i like yours

[agile grove]

GMK (ABS) is higher pitched than PBT

[median spade]

what switches are you using

could be you need a heavier spring too

[elfin garnet]

yes but i feel its not that. It's incosistent and its hard to show it on video. I know it sits "loose" so it might be just me thinking it sounds bad when in fact its alright

[quiet bay]

I see the shine 😂

[elfin garnet]

When I put on the pbt keycap it feels sturdy and good

[median spade]

this set been in use for 4 years it do be shining

[quiet bay]

are we showing off spacebars

[median spade]

you might have a banana spacebar grief

take it off and put on table

see how flat is lies

[quiet bay]

o

unbalanced spacebar

[elfin garnet]

yes its bent

this shit

[quiet bay]

drench it in hot water and bend it

[median spade]

that plastic trick props going to be your best bet in addition

[elfin garnet]

the video above is with the plastic trick

it def helped

[median spade]

[untold wigeon]

meh i have ansi and made my keeb like this works very good

[median spade]

ansi supremacy

[untold wigeon]

i truly enjoy this more than iso

[median spade]

welcome to the side of ansi

[untold wigeon]

only thing i cant fix is this button

dont care that much bout it anyways

i dont use it that often

might bind this button to it if thats something i can do in wootility

[median spade]

Yeah I don't use those keys but I use the underlying ones on standard ansi

as it's period and comma

but not often do I use <>

[untold wigeon]

i dont either

oh yeah it worked

its all good then

nice

basically iso now lol

so happy this worke out as i thought it would

[median spade]

The joys of remapping keys

[untold wigeon]

yeah its awsome lol

found a solution to use the acutal keys for each remap bind now also

wonders

except the key under backspace but thats all good

i flipped these to around the < i had to this now -

i need opinions do i add a white enter key and escape key? or all black better

[empty sinew]

all black 🙂

or get artisan

[untold wigeon]

i want one for esc key

just dunno which one

[empty sinew]

theres so many options find something nice .)

[untold wigeon]

this one looks cool lol

[empty sinew]

its from salvun right?

or he had similair one

[untold wigeon]

idk who that is bro

[hushed edge]

yall notice a sound difference or nah

tofu case and lubed keys (some might over/under lubed i cant tell)

[median fog]

Wooting is listening in this thread https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1216076681106952304,
if enough people want this, they will add 2 additional keycaps to JIS layout, K with a bump and J with no bump, so that you can use the "F and K" home row alternative, instead of "F and J", and this way much easier and comfortable reach the further away placed Right Shift on the JIS layout. But also easier to reach the 1.0u Backspace on it (while also not mislicking something), and also easier reaching Del and that right cluster of keys in general, and also having keyboard be more centered on you, meaning also a bit more mouse space.

[median spade]

you're spamming keys with no desk mat in a echo room with a phone mic

hard to pick up anything

[hushed edge]

lol

i didn't know a desk mat made a difference

you can still hear it

[polar girder]

Sound waves bounce

[untold wigeon]

doesnt affect people that isnt using jis tho

[untold wigeon]

ion got a desk mat, i do got a mouse pad tho xd

[static tendon]

Would a layout like this be possible to achieve on a wooting PCB?

Having that extra button on a 60% would be great to have

[tawdry tree]

It’d require a new location for switch, HE sensor, LED and paths. DIYing would be borderline impossible.

Could they make a new keyboard with split shift support? Yeah of course!

[static tendon]

Yeah I can see now, the PCB layout is just different

[tawdry tree]

I’d want a 64% layout, it’s not split shift but better IMO. 😉

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1196356399437983794

[static tendon]

Honestly I’m not too big on the way it looks. I think a 65% would make more sense in comparison to this layout but I guess you still keep the compact 60%ish type of size

[tawdry tree]

I like 64% because it can be used in 60% cases and as of right now there are just a whole lot more cases to choose from in the 60% market than in any other.

I prefer 65% as well but I find it worth the trade off.

[static tendon]

Ah, that would make sense. 60%s are very customizable in terms of after market cases

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, I think it’s worth it over 65%.

[wide kraken]

maybe i just lack imagination, but whenever there's a lone key on the side like that i can never really decide on what to map it to

[tawdry tree]

Del, Home, End

MT, Home and End

[wide kraken]

home/end/pgup/pgdn usually go on fn arrows for me, and del on fn+backspace

[tawdry tree]

MT, Del and Ins

[pastel vigil]

macro key

[tawdry tree]

Then play/pause maybe?

Or macro yeah

[pastel vigil]

with macro 1 2 3 etc using layers

[wide kraken]

fair yeah

[pastel vigil]

Because it's nto a key I would use like normal, but something I would go out of my way for and a macro is usually the only thing I do that for.

[austere sleet]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but if i buy the gateron jade switches, does that mean that if i have keys that i put on 4mm actuation, i would have to change them to 3.5mm for them to actuate? Thank you if you are able to answer

[wide kraken]

no, the board will adjust. think of 4mm as meaning 100% instead

(or almost 100% since it's 4.1mm travel on stock but you get the idea)

[wispy thistle]

time to build my first custom! all parts just came in. do these steps seem right

  1. Test PCB
  2. Lube/Tune Stabs install into pcb
  3. tempest tape mod under pcb
  4. Assemble plate and switches (not hand lubing yet)
  5. gummy o ring install
  6. put case foam in/polyfill/ then install pcb/plate into case
  7. keycaps

[wide kraken]

if it's your first custom i'd suggest saving the sound mods for after first assembly so you get an idea of how it actually changes but up to you

i defaulted to poron plate foam and tape mod based on assumptions from videos but ended up liking the sound of the silicone pad and no tape better

[wispy thistle]

okk

thanks

[pastel vigil]

I agree. Just doing the most mods possible doesn't mean it will sound the best.

[hollow wren]

What does tape mod do

[wide kraken]

ye, and sound tests aren't as objective/transferrable as we might think

[wide kraken]

reduces some higher frequency sounds (as for what it does mechanically to do that, i've no idea)

[pastel vigil]

I love when I watch a video and the before sounds better. They should do blind tests because I feel like psychologically a lot of people just assume the after is always better.

[wide kraken]

that and different mics and environments have different properties

[wispy thistle]

i mean personally most of the mods i watched before and after, i usually liked after better. but i get it will sound really different irl, so i guess ill do no mods first and do one at a time.

[pastel vigil]

even your fingers make a difference, truely too many variables.

[wispy thistle]

Is that the standoff on the tofu redux that’s supposed to be removable or?

Or the stand off is what goes in there

[wide kraken]

the two on each side are integrated/default, the one in the middle and the one by the spacebar are optional standoffs you can screw in

[wispy thistle]

I see thanks so even for gummy o ring people leave that there?

The 2 default ones

[wide kraken]

have seen people drill or cut them out for gummy o-ring, but that's permanent obv

you can also just set some foam or smaller o-rings on top of them to isolate a bit

[wispy thistle]

Ok thank you

[static tendon]

Purple caps have been growing on me

[steel yarrow]

For magnetic jades, is it alright to apply 0.15mm PC switch films? I heard that it isn't worth it for switches with already super tight housings but can't seem to find anywhere if the jades have tight housings or not.

[shrewd dragon]

for me they have no rattle and very Little to no loose movement with caps on if anything they give a feeling of a very tight housing

[steel yarrow]

so it has tight housing or loose?

[wide kraken]

tight

[median spade]

Is that an alu weight or why is it silver

Or is lighting playing a trick on me

[wispy thistle]

brass

[light agate]

i think it might be the case color + lighting

thats why it looks silver

[median spade]

Pictures makes it look grey for some reason so was like that’s interesting

Yeee

[wide kraken]

the gem80 itself might be having a pretty rough launch, but the keycaps are pretty darn nice for a $34 set

[light agate]

does anyone have any thoughts on the kbdfans holy60? i just saw it when looking through and i wonder how someone would be able to mod it + the acoustics of it in general

[hazy citrus]

having zero experience with this case, I'd imagine the acoustics would be determined by the material of the desk and desk pad rather than the case itself

since that's what the sound will be reverberating off of

[uncut musk]

alexotos built it

[light agate]

ooh, will check that out

[polar girder]

It seems like a HE worst nightmare lol

But maybe that’s just me

Can’t wait for lekker 2.0 leaks

[median spade]

It was

[wispy thistle]

can you seperate the pcb from the plate with the switches still on the plate?

[normal schooner]

no remove the switches first

[agile grove]

what? you dont have to take the switches off first when removing the plate.

[gaunt marten]

^ its also recommended if u gonna remove all the switches

[agile grove]

yes

[wispy thistle]

oh darn i took out all the switches already lol. well next time ill keep them on the plate

[median spade]

Yeah I take off pcb and then switches

Otherwise it gives me arthritis because them switches be gripping

[midnight cedar]

just got mines

do i need to do anything? or can just use it like the normal lekker switches

i read something about calibrating it and stuff before

[median spade]

Just use em

[untold wigeon]

they sound amazing stock. dont need to lube on anything just use em

[midnight cedar]

alright thanks @median spade @untold wigeon

i usually use 0.1mm

[wide kraken]

the board will do it automatically when it boots

[paper bloom]

I CAN OFFICIALLY SAY

THE CARDBOARD MOD WORKS

[fluid ravine]

i like that

I wish i could recreate the spacebar i had like 6 months ago

was like a squishy or watery sound

was amazing

[paper bloom]

You could try cardboard

[fluid ravine]

as case?

[paper bloom]

Idk about the spacebar key tho since i didnt really slap it in and as a replacement to foam or double it Foam + Cardboard

[fluid ravine]

its not really gonna affect it at all

[paper bloom]

I did try it, its pretty poppy

[fluid ravine]

it either make it sounds more full or just sound different in some way

but not major

[fluid ravine]

This unique sound i had was with stock stabs

i dont remember the mods back then

but i loved that, thats all i could say

[paper bloom]

WELP you could always experiment and try again

[paper bloom]

And actually no it enhances the sound somewhat depending on the thiccness

I did to my prebuilt like an hr when i got my prebuilt

I ran the tofu and the plastic case, it only sounds a bit diff esp if u run the

Tofu foam

[fluid ravine]

you used the cardboard as case foam?

[paper bloom]

I just did an hr ago yes

[fluid ravine]

mine at the moment

like it aight
i dont really want to do anything with my keeb anymore

just going off for looks, done everything i wanted/could

[paper bloom]

I mean its alright ig its a whenever thing i got a vid for it

but its me yapping

• the entire sounds of it somewhat

[fluid ravine]

errmmmm

😂

[paper bloom]

no seriously

[paper bloom]

And yea ig, the burn out from modding or experimentation

And sorry if i sound a bit demeneted rn LOL im a lil focused on something IRL

[paper bloom]

but it still sounds good

[pallid osprey]

Can anyone help me? I just ordered a full size woothing keyboard - Just wanted to know if I can buy customized keycaps from other website, would they work? Not sure how it works.

I was looking at this:
https://goblintechkeys.com/

[wide kraken]

dunno about that site in particular, but yes, as long as they have mx stems (i.e. the vast vast majority of keycaps)

[pallid osprey]

TY!

[polar girder]

Sheeeeesh

[fluid ravine]

Here's without the fan blowing in the bqckground

[waxen glade]

What sandwich pad material and case foam material would dampen the sound the most? My alumaze build is still way too loud for my tastes

honestly i dont want to hear it at all lol

[wide kraken]

silicone plate pad dampens more afaik
for case, if you really want to dampen more than foam, you could look into butyl automotive sound deadener. I've only used it on plastic cases but it's fairly effective

(just make sure there is no metal to PCB contact because they are usually foil backed)

[waxen glade]

ah okay looks like the module is stock with the silicone one in it

i was also looking at cutting up a sheet of sorbothane and replacing the stock case foam

[paper bloom]

Polyfill,foam from wooting, Cardboard

[paper bloom]

If you cut the cardboard and the puncholes CONSISTENTLY

IT shld be okay

Don't pull the ghetto shit where you do halfway then salvage whatever just redo it entirely

[upper fog]

Did someone maybe found an fix to the Raptor HE switches ? In the Faq their is written that you can use the lekker stems but that also has some problems

[tawdry tree]

Yes, the fix for stem swapped Raptors is to use them.

Wear them in.

[shrewd dragon]

i heared moleskin is a gamechanger

[untold wigeon]

not much of a different compares to painter/masking tape

you just need less layers with moleskin i think

[shrewd dragon]

ok moleskin not that crazy then

[winter tiger]

how does the 60HE+ compare to the original in terms of value? is it worth upgrading just for the screw in stabs?

[tawdry tree]

It’s the same, it just supports PCB mounted stabilizers.

[winter tiger]

so not really worth another few hundred dollars for the change?

[tawdry tree]

Depends, if you have a 60HE currently, you can sell it and buy the 60HE+.

You can get plate mounted stabilizers to sound and feel good but it takes a bit more effort than PCB mounted stabilizers.

[stray otter]

Not to me. I've spent too much on my 60HE as it is to cash it out.

[tawdry tree]

Oh no, the point of no return.. 😦

[stray otter]

But I'm still thinking about getting the 80. I just don't know if I want to wait to see if 3rd party cases are ever released

[tawdry tree]

I wouldn’t have high hopes for it as a case for the 80HE would be much more complicated, time consuming and therefore expensive to machine. Maybe there will be a case or two but I don’t think it’d be possible to beat the die cast Zinc Alloy case’s price.

[stray otter]

Yeah I know. I might just pull the trigger on the black zinc

[indigo oasis]

Can someone give me free gateron jades pls

[glossy pagoda]

No

[untold wigeon]

buy it like everyone else brother

[indigo oasis]

im unemployed

[untold wigeon]

there's always a way to make money

[waxen glade]

has anyone tape modded their module? is it louder?

[fringe quarry]

yes

[untold wigeon]

not lounder deeper

i have and i enjoy it

[waxen glade]

okay im doing everything i can to reduce the high pitched sounds and ping. the alumaze is way louder than my other board

also the factory lubing on magnetic jades is very inconsistent and bad if anyone wanted to know before slapping them all in the board lol

[median spade]

I hand lubed mine eventually but was quite the opposite experience for me

They were very consistent and I only had 2 switches that were different

[waxen glade]

maybe bad batch for me

i had to redo quite a few

[harsh dove]

Yeah my batch was also very good, I didn’t lube mine for awhile

[untold wigeon]

alumaze was the same for me until i got the tofu'

[waxen glade]

i didnt think it would be that bad but this thing is way louder than my sat75 lol

it's amazing for gaming though

[untold wigeon]

prefer the tofu over the alumaze

idk why

[empty sinew]

i prefer the alumaze tbh

soundwise, visually I prefer Tofu

[untold wigeon]

tofu clears in both categories

but its personal preference

[median spade]

Your Sat75 is top mounted and has a brass weight

[tawdry tree]

Tofu is heavier and has a bit thicker walls I believe and density has a significant impact on sound resonance.

[untold wigeon]

prolly that yeah, the case is amazing

[median spade]

The brass weight alone is doing it

Should have pinned my vid in here

[untold wigeon]

yup 100%

i just enjoy it so much more than i did with the alumaze

[hazy citrus]

yeah brass weight is a must when buying that case

[untold wigeon]

yup

[waxen glade]

uh oh...i just relubed and filmed some other magnetic jades and it sounds way better than the factory lubed ones

back to modding

[sly vale]

oh man dont tell me that...

[waxen glade]

before you do anything too drastic, id say it doesnt affect volume much. it definitely produces a lower pitch

[tawdry tree]

Exactly what I meant. Great example.

[fluid ravine]

HAHAHA
we wish

[agile grove]

you could also fill the hole with polyfill or foam, you dont really need the brass weight to get rid of the ping/higher pitched noise

[median spade]

Yeah but doesn't really do the job as well imo

well unless you like the sound of foam

[polar girder]

Yeah i learned that lesson thanks in large part to @median spade video

I might switch to the plate foam tho. Rocking no plate foam is a little loud

Also I think the layer of paper tape on the top of the PCB is exaggerating the stem swapped raptor friction problem

[empty sinew]

somebody has alumaze + black keycaps

need to ask one question

[iron bear]

Yes

[vale gull]

@fluid ravine what exactly did you do to your keyboard

[tawdry tree]

Everything, he did everything. 🤣

[weary tree]

he modded his kb over and over and over

tried so many combination

truly a pioneer

[static tendon]

@median spade you also have a tofu? How many keyboards do you currently own?

[median spade]

I have 7 keyboards on hand iirc

[static tendon]

Gotcha. I think I remember you selling some as well

[median spade]

Yeah that was a while back in oct/nov

[static tendon]

What’s your favorite one so far? An all arounder

[median spade]

Like for 60he? or my mx stuff

[static tendon]

Either one. Curious if you’d still prefer mx switches since they typically have a better typing feel with more options

[median spade]

Oh yeah I still 100% prefer MX as I'm a sound first person and HE doens't sound good

feel wise never really bothered me

[static tendon]

60HE is a stiff typing experience

Even with the salvation

[median spade]

But my mx boards also have better mounting experience then 60He so can't really compare

the ones I use daily are gummy oring proper

[static tendon]

Gotcha yeah that would make sense. I had a chance to test out a QK65 and it felt really balanced and soft in terms of typing feel. The wooting feels smooth but is much stiffer

Regardless though, the Hall effect switches really steer me towards the wooting. It’s why I ended up going this route. No regrets 😎

[median spade]

Yeah there is only so much you can do with the 60He since it has moutning points to keep pcb/switches close

[static tendon]

Yeah exactly

[median spade]

My favorite case so far for my 60he is my frog mini

but it's silver and I don't like to use it for that reason

If it was black I would use it

[static tendon]

Haha you know I’m also not a fan of silver

[hazy citrus]

i wonder if some day there will be a HE board made that has the HE sensors in the switch so there are better mounting options

[static tendon]

I purchased a silver plate for my past custom keyboard and really disliked it. I returned it

[median spade]

When I bought teh silver I was like ill use this and like it for sure

that lasted a day

[static tendon]

This color scheme grew on me though

[median spade]

hard to say as the whole thing with HE right now is that you need to keep the pcb and switches like air tight

any leeway and it goes haywire

[static tendon]

I’d still choose black over silver but it looks clean

[median spade]

Yeah that combo is nice you shared

I have a silver board I enjoy but it's just to use my navy keycaps on

[static tendon]

I usually always steer towards bright colors though

[median spade]

this is my silver board and combo

[inner owl]

Hi looks like a good time to ask but in the frog mini, what kind of stabs are you using?

[median spade]

I was using tx ap

[static tendon]

Gmk hammerhead?

[median spade]

metropolis with midnight kit

[static tendon]

That mousepad matches flawlessly. Is it made to match the set?

[hazy citrus]

those caps look sexy

[median spade]

It is indeed made to match the set

[inner owl]

I tried tx AP stabs in the kdbfans fr4 plate for the tofu reduxx and the plate literally would not fit the stabs

[hazy citrus]

what's the cable you're using btw?

[median spade]

a rubber one made by my friend

[hazy citrus]

ahh

[static tendon]

This set really reminds me of gmk synthwave. Not the same but reminds me of it

[median spade]

looks good

[inner owl]

Where did you guys commision/buy the frog mini plate if I may ask?

[hazy citrus]

i need to find a good cable for my keyboard and am not a fan of coiled

[inner owl]

wold like to convert my frog into a wooting

[median spade]

I was in same boat, and it's like speaker rubber wire or something like

been great

[hazy citrus]

yeah it looks like a guitar cable and i really like that

[median spade]

well if you want a silver one with plates already and are NA lemme know

[static tendon]

Do you have any preferences on straight cables for these keyboards?

[median spade]

Yeah I'm not a fan of coiled myself

[inner owl]

I have a silver frog mini as well just without plates

[static tendon]

I’m somewhat searching around to get a new one. I was aiming for a teal blue, purple if I can add it

[median spade]

But in terms of cables I have no idea where to get any

My friends have always made mine

[hazy citrus]

maybe time to learn how to make cables

[static tendon]

Yeah they’re higher maintenance to keep in good condition and more annoying to move around. I always move my keyboard I’ve noticed

[hazy citrus]

yeah they just look too busy as well

[static tendon]

Geez you got some great friends

[median spade]

I did make a cable at one time and it was fine

pretty straightfoward

[static tendon]

I looked into making my own set but the materials get pricey 😧

If you add coils or aviators^

Or techflex

[hazy citrus]

i'd definitely do a rubber instrument style cable

[static tendon]

Yeah they look good

Love this look

[hazy citrus]

right now I'm just using a basic white one lol

[hazy citrus]

that looks amazing

[wispy thistle]

Is that how much 3ml lube looks like normally?

[hazy citrus]

yeah that looks awesome

ohhh i actually found this on amazon, this looks decent https://www.amazon.com/GentsStride-Durable-Charging-Ultra-Thick-Silicone/dp/B0CHMKW9F4/ref=sr_1_15?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.EAkTxnvRz00hRym5l0MiHgB1_O41yg5FrGuHlvuqnSsWQYoUxpUHQolmp0d3lxD0F7soiuQfUsSfr8UulvpoQe-ng-9l0co6tv9RibeUBX7lWpOv4IWpO9a1cZp31csV9UjClGjeK-NlV0-skvauDqiiue4chtn76lrVAbBfk6oIQSQjym25y5rV4G3EHGSlJgvKnxPou3P1b9FB0CcfF-ezuW65RTc-oz2fLsHEo8k.9qwyf9UK3NJnZISsSpVCaKVMkE5uFD5sLWFkgjyPdCQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=silicone%2Busb%2Bcable&qid=1710094120&sr=8-15&th=1

[inner owl]

Actually now that I think about it, if im using pcb mounted stabs like the tx AP on my wooting, would the original geon frog mini plate fit the wooting? not entirely sure what the difference in the custom plate and stock plate is but I figured it was for plate stabs.

hopefully someone knows

[formal comet]

yep

[median spade]

It would not

as you need the standoffs for the moutning points on the pcb

[static tendon]

I think I was eying these the other day

[hazy citrus]

yeah the customer images look pretty good, i might cop, just gotta decide what color

[inner owl]

Im not sure i understand haha, these standoffs are for? would it not just be pcb, plate foam/silicone and stabs then the plate above

or are they to hold the pcb and plate together

[median spade]

standoffs to attach pcb to plate on 60he

or else the distance is inconsistent and causes issues

[inner owl]

Ahhh okay makes sense thanks

https://cafege.com.au/products/frog-mini-he-plates?variant=44643481354485
wonder if these fit screw-ins/clip-ins

[fluid ravine]

Board: Wooting 60HE
GH60 Aluminum Tofu V1 Clone
Gummy mount (Bakeneko60 30a oring)
Lekker 60 (Switch Tape Modded and Lubed with Krytox 205g0)
TX AP Stabilizers (Light coat of krytox 205g0 on stem and housing | Dieletric Grease on wire)
PC Plate
No Plate foam
Switch Pad (Poron .5mm)
Tempest Tape Mod (1 Layer Masking Tape)
Polyfill
Glorious GPBT Nebula Keycaps

My current board rn

Sry I was at skool

Don't ask

Lmk if you have any questions

[median spade]

idk if youre au

but if NA hypekeyboards has a great file for it

[wispy thistle]

did you guys have to wire balance tx ap stabs?

[polar girder]

Yeah switch pads and switch tape probably the biggest game changers there

But then definitely a sum of all the parts

[steel yarrow]

is switch pad and filming worth it on the jades?

[wispy thistle]

is there really that much of a diff between switch pads and the pe poron foam the module comes with?

[polar girder]

Switch pads are between the switch and the PCB

So yes

But they can mess with tolerances so care

[wispy thistle]

isnt pe foam in between the switch and the pcb?

i mean the plate foam

i meant the plate poron foam vs switch pads

[polar girder]

Plate foam is between the plate and the PCB with cutouts for the switches

Switch pads are between the switch and PCB

pretty different

[wispy thistle]

oh ok

[fluid ravine]

tbh I dont even know if the switch pads do anything, when i recieved them from a few months ago, i forgot to do a before and after sooo yeah

overall typing on this sounds pretty good, pressing the keys individually, its aight. Prob only bc i did alot to them

[polar girder]

Yeah my stem swapped raptors not flawless

Sad

Waiting for 2,0’s

[fluid ravine]

if yall are wondering this is how much polyfill i put in my case

@quiet bay

[polar girder]

Oh nice

Thanks

[fluid ravine]

The key caps 💀🗿

[quiet bay]

damn lmao thats alot

I put very little for mine

Since im using it with stock foam

[fluid ravine]

its not even raised by that much which is surprising in a way

Usually it would be the switches being fully exposed

[polar girder]

Yeah that’s what I thought too lol

[weary tree]

yeah i put a lot in mine too

the oring holds it down

[fluid ravine]

dude my R1 keycaps bruv so

tilted

[wispy thistle]

anyone willing to chill with me in discord will i try to build im struggling 😂

[steel yarrow]

any reason why you didn't do burger mount

if u do burger mount will if make it so that you have to put less polyfill cuz less space

[loud zephyr]

I wonder if those keycaps have recessed stems or not which would affect their height. GMK for example on the left the stems are a bit lower and sinks into the case

[untold wigeon]

what did u use to burger mount?

[grizzled path]

lettuce, tomato, beef patty, bacon, mayo

[wispy thistle]

i dont need the plate to test stabs right just put the switch on the pcb?

[fluid ravine]

The reason why I didn't do burger mount anymore is because it's tedious to do. I also tend to take in and out my keyboard as I'm a fking addict to modding keyboards back then. When I switched to gummy mount, it saved me alot of time and I also found some advantages to the mounting style and benefits of the sound change comparing to tray mount. For example, a thing I learned was tray mounting has dead spots throughout the keyboard meaning that some keys in a certain area sound much different from other areas. Gummy Mount/Friction Mount however balances out the sound profile throughout the keeb. You may noticed that each row has a different pitch than the others, but that's normal. Plus gummy mount also isn't as stiff as tray mount ofc so theres that.

[loud zephyr]

Kind of annoying you have to source the standoffs elsewhere, given the whole kit with case and plate includes those standoffs

[fluid ravine]

is this image your source?

if so what row is it

ima send a pic of one of mines

[loud zephyr]

nah not mine, I only just learnt that it was an actual thing recently

[median spade]

Hypekeyboards has them on hand

Like 99% of people shouldn’t buy from that vendor anyways as they are Australia

[fluid ravine]

ok lemme check

[loud zephyr]

yeah, I was more thinking of aussie buyers who may or may not enjoy shipping fees that cost more than the actual product

[median spade]

Fair point

[hazy citrus]

what's a good mod to make the spacebar a little quieter?

[fluid ravine]

No seperated stab sound test?

[hazy citrus]

hol up lemme record one

[loud zephyr]

Definitely non-recessed but hard to tell if lower stems would make much of a difference, maybe slightly

[hazy citrus]

@fluid ravine

it just sounds pretty hollow, maybe spacebar foam?

[agile grove]

it just sounds extremely rattly, you should prob tune your stabs

[hazy citrus]

is that what i'm hearing?

im new to modding keyboards so the ear is not trained yet

stabs im running currently is the factory lubed 60he+ screw in ones

[polar girder]

Yo I was extremely surprised with how thin and flimsy the PC plate was

On a separate note

[wispy thistle]

does this sound like it has rattle?

[untold wigeon]

no

[median spade]

yeah whatever pc wooting using is on the cheaper side for sure

It's much more flimsy and thin then any of my mx stuff

[untold wigeon]

hold on now, is there any other pc i could use on the module??

[median spade]

just custom cut ones from people like hypekeyboards, etc

[untold wigeon]

is that what you recommend?

[median spade]

I have pom myself

[untold wigeon]

pom good?

i want my shit as thocky/creamy as possible

[grizzled path]

creamy? eat something that contains a lot of air

[untold wigeon]

bro can u just stfu

[grizzled path]

if you'd have asked nicely then maybe

[quiet bay]

So I got bored and wanted to compare how different the keycaps would sound between mine and wooting’s

I had kilmat in my white spacebar

wooting's spacebar has nothing in it at all

sounds pretty sad...damn

with wooting's keycaps it's louder for sure

all recorded with crappy iphone X

[median spade]

if you already have pc then that's usually the go to for that

da creamy

[median spade]

what plate? As alphas still sound similar but then the spacebar awful

[quiet bay]

PC

[median spade]

weird the spacebar sounds so bad in comparison

[quiet bay]

wooting spacebar is pretty hollow

although my spacebar still wouldn't sound as bad without any kilmat in it

[median spade]

too be fair

My wooting keycaps have 0 use on them

I got my wooting, swapped switches to south facing, and put gmk on first day so I wouldn't know

[quiet bay]

lmao this is the first time that i'm actually using the wooting keycaps 💀

when I first received the wooting I typed on it for 5 seconds

and then went straight to modding it

to be honest tho I kind of do dig the sound (except for the spacebar)

I find it more satisfying

[median spade]

no time to use stock and only modding

i was very burnned out on keyboards at time so swapping orientation and keycaps was all I had in me

plus this was very ealry batches where no one had really lubed them and said it wasn't wo;rth it

[quiet bay]

Sleeper wooting (pcb is totally not very high up)

damn I could've just rocked this instead of buying the case and keycaps 😂

but then again...aesthetics

[indigo oasis]

How does it aound that good

[polar girder]

Damn that sound great lol

[quiet bay]

I have a lot of mods on it but it's mainly the switch tape mod that mades it sound good since it removes the "chatter"

if you want to do it here's how
#1173784544529363034 message

[umbral merlin]

Do these 250w thunderbolt 4 cables account for wooting performance or is it risky?

[agile grove]

jeez, fix that link https://www.amazon.com/GentsStride-Durable-Charging-Ultra-Thick-Silicone/dp/B0CHMKW9F4/

[fluid ravine]

oml are you using gummy? that raise 😂

[quiet bay]

errr possibly yes

the usb fits tho ;D

[fluid ravine]

what case foam

lmao

dont tell me its the mix

[quiet bay]

it is indeed the mix

all I did was transfer everything over to the stock case

xd

[polar girder]

Yo what sounds fair to sell a stock Wooting that comes with a PC plate for?

Including shipping

[loud zephyr]

[fluid ravine]

[fluid ravine]

heh 175

idk how to price shi

[quiet bay]

wthh I would sell my wooting for atleast 300usd with stock case and keycaps (with mods)

[fluid ravine]

@polar girder You have everything right?

like box and everything stock except plate?

[polar girder]

Fully stock

With box and cable

And extra pc plate

L60 and steel plate

[fluid ravine]

everything used in a certain way?

[loud zephyr]

Have you seen the flippers' pricing of the Viper Mini SE? Last time I checked they were 900+aud

Like gtfo

[polar girder]

Yeah but clean AF

[fluid ravine]

id say 180

[quiet bay]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[fluid ravine]

like normal price

opened+used, good as new 160

pc plate +20

or 15

idk

[polar girder]

Normal price. Ships now and comes with PC plate. But used.

[fluid ravine]

😂

[polar girder]

PC plate unused lol

[quiet bay]

but like instant shipping!!

[polar girder]

But yeah

[fluid ravine]

good as new tho

[quiet bay]

200+ usd 😎

[fluid ravine]

so yeah

180

[polar girder]

Yeah instant shipping = $100 up charge

Save them a month

[fluid ravine]

180-200

[polar girder]

🫠

[fluid ravine]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[polar girder]

Yeah for sure

[fluid ravine]

where you gonna sell?

[polar girder]

I gotta fix these gd raptors tho

Probably HWS or mechmarket

Reddit and discord

Piece of shit lol

[quiet bay]

damn wth happened with the esc and tab key

[polar girder]

They stuck lol

They come up

But yeah they stuck

All day actually haha

[loud zephyr]

that's -50$

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

is that the board u selling?

[polar girder]

Haha no that’s the custom one

[quiet bay]

wow

[quiet bay]

is it also a wooting?

[polar girder]

Yeah

Pc plate and franken raptors

[quiet bay]

so basically you have 2 wootings in your hands rn o.o

[polar girder]

Almost

Gotta put the stock one back together

😅

[spring tusk]

Overlubed mby

[polar girder]

Nah they’re hella light

I think it’s the paper tape I put on the pcb

[wind karma]

how would i get my pcb out of the case if its gummy mounted

am i dumb.

[polar girder]

The whole franken raptor thing I think is the magnet stem part in the housing

And the paper tape fks that even more

[polar girder]

Take off keycaps and use the space bar groove to pull it out while upside down

Is what I do

[fluid ravine]

mines just slides out :D

[polar girder]

@fluid ravine did I do you proud, papa?

[kind helm]

does that have to do with type of gummy oring used?

[polar girder]

Too bad the SoB isn’t really functional tho haha

[polar girder]

Probz

Honestly I was able to use the regular one with screw ins

But also didn’t use plate foam

Might have to swap to the small if I put foam back in

The small ring was swimming and useless

[fluid ravine]

not bad
and why papa 😭

[polar girder]

lol cuz you the keyboard guru

[spring tusk]

Quick question: is it time to switch my gmmk pro space bar morandi linear switch, cuz it randomly doesn't response (it lived through agresively spamming while I was running up the stairs in Minecraft)

[polar girder]

Respect on the name

[loud zephyr]

If it's hotswap try another switch

[fluid ravine]

What kind of responding are you talking about?

Physical or input

If it's input then change it out for another switch

[wispy thistle]

Is it ok if the ring is bulging out like that

[fluid ravine]

if its physical, check on the stabs, keycaps, etc

[fluid ravine]

nope

should be inside

like the other areas

Insert it slowly, check all sides and make sure the oring goes in

[kind helm]

you can use a spatula to tug it in

[spring tusk]

Yep, i will prob swap for more durable and with faster response time, and with good sound

[wispy thistle]

I’m not sure if you can tell from the pic but is it bulging out too much

I’m using tx ap screw ins

[fluid ravine]

thats normal

its bc of the stabs

just push it in

[kind helm]

you can slide in the buttom side first, then tug in the oring and slowly push the top side in

spatula worked very well for me to keep the oring in place as i was sliding the plate in

[spring tusk]

Cuz for gaming morandi linears which have 2.4mm actuacion point, are basicly beter just for typing (I will prob switch all the switches that I use the most for gaming ( W, A, S, D, Shift, Ctrl, Spacebar, Q, E, C, T, Esc, Enter.)

[fluid ravine]

Start from top to bottom, most preferably at the port

make sure the north/top side of the module's oring is fully tucked, which should be easy as yo're sliding the hwole thing in

[kind helm]

ahh true

[fluid ravine]

Then push in both sides at the same time, again make sure its inserted. Once you slowly push in the oring push down the module as you insert.

Sry for separating the instructions
Dad needs help grilling

Gimme a moment for the last part

[wispy thistle]

Any good videos? You recommends. I’ve been kinda trying that. But with this case and stabs not sure if it’s diff person to person. I’m using s o rings 40 a

Closest I got it this last thing started jutting out 😂

[fluid ravine]

Huh why is a whole piece sticking out like that

[fluid ravine]

Which ring?

I had a video but it's old

Can't possibly find it

i can make on after dinner

;p

[wispy thistle]

I think I got it does this look good

[wispy thistle]

Graveshift small o ring 40a

[fluid ravine]

ay you got it!

dw abt top right, its not sticking out

[kind helm]

👀 i cant wait to see you struggle to get it out when you want to change the foam underneath

[fluid ravine]

just buldging out a little bit cus of the stabs

[fluid ravine]

using plate foam?

[wispy thistle]

No

[fluid ravine]

thats good

should be easy then

to take in and out

just need practice now

but you're good to go

[wispy thistle]

thanks

yea taking it out is easy

but putting it back in

[fluid ravine]

np

[wispy thistle]

im scared

LOL

[fluid ravine]

nah you will be fine, its really easy. again just need practice

[kind helm]

for me its the opposite, cause i dont want to scratch it when i pull it out and my nail is too thin to grab hold to the plate

[wispy thistle]

i just use the switch puller

and it was coming out

[kind helm]

ahh

my dumb ape brain cant think off using tools when i pull it out🥲

ty

[wispy thistle]

i plan on trying with no foam, silicone foam, poron foam, then trying tempest mod, then trying out switch pads. soooo

im going to be pulling this in and out a bunch lol

@fluid ravine i shouldnt be putting on keycaps when its inside? im scared of putting more force in, those stand offs are there, will they hurt the pcb?

[inner owl]

Haha I shall get from hypekayboards then, I reside in Singapore and I figured au might be closer and hence cheaper but somehow the shipping costs more to ship from aus than NA

[wispy thistle]

What happaned to the left stab was fine before

or maybe its the right stab

idk

the wire got unclipped from the stab somehow

[fluid ravine]

Case foam or plate foam?

[fluid ravine]

Were you trying to take out the spacebar keycap?

[fluid ravine]

wdym

[hazy citrus]

lubing my stabs helped the sound of the keys a lot

factory lubing def left something to be desired

[static tendon]

Late response but just because it's a straight cable I would think it would work just fine even with tachyon mode enabled

@harsh dove and @median spade https://novelkeys.com/products/salvation-keyboard?variant=43322546716839 - Wilba Tech Salvations are currently priced at $285. They've dropped in price a bit

Seems they are temporarily out of stock but not too bad compared to their usual $370

[median spade]

Think he’s counting stock is why

[static tendon]

Hmm, Salvun website has officially sold out of Soul Black as well

Makes me want to order a black case before they fully stop selling them

[wispy thistle]

plate foam

[wispy thistle]

im not sure but i fixed it

[fluid ravine]

Silicone is not gonna work

[wispy thistle]

oh why

[fluid ravine]

its too hard

you need it to compress for the oring to insert into module

[wispy thistle]

also does tempest tape mod make it really hard to take apart the pcb?

and the palte

[fluid ravine]

no?

[wispy thistle]

oh ok

[wispy thistle]

i mean like do you put keycaps on while its o ring mounted?

i was scared if i kept pushing it more into the case those tray mount standoffs would dig into the pcb or something but maybe it cant get that far

[fluid ravine]

sure its fine

[wispy thistle]

like wont i have to remove the tape every time, to rescrew the pcb to the plate?

[fluid ravine]

nah

just poke holes for the screw

[wispy thistle]

gotcha thaks

[polar girder]

Fun to compare the two lol

The black PC plate is goated

Albeit a bit thin for my liking

Steel plate thickness so nice

[tawdry tree]

Thin?

1.5mm

Steel looks to be the exact same thickness.

[fluid ravine]

fingerprints!

-$50

[fluid ravine]

same thickness yeah

[tawdry tree]

Maybe he meant that steel was more stiff over PC.

[polar girder]

I mean that’s definitely true but I’m mind blown if they’re the same thickness lol

The black PC so flimsy

More thin than my white one

Unless I’m tripping

[tawdry tree]

They are, steel is just a lot stiffer.

[polar girder]

Like I second guess if it was the plate lol

[tawdry tree]

They’re from the same mold.. 🙂

[polar girder]

lol I’ll clean it first

[fluid ravine]

+$50

[near barn]

does anyone know what the keycap profile is for the uwu keycaps?

thanks in advance

[white beacon]

has anyone tried any of the new aftermarket switch options? curious to hear opinions on them (ie gateron jades, geon raptors, etc...)

[midnight rock]

Hey what could i do to make my 2he's spacebar less rattly

[tawdry tree]

Tune its stabilizers.

Balance wires and relube. Shouldn’t be hard to get them out as they’re plate mounted stabilizers I believe.

[midnight rock]

it's the only key that has a slightly annoying sound

the rest is fine

[tawdry tree]

You could also fill it more with lube using a syringe, that requires less deconstruction so to say. 😉

[midnight rock]

sounds like an idea

it's not bad i just feel like it could be improved

thought about adding foam to it

[tawdry tree]

If you have Krytox 205 and a syringe already it’ll be easy and fast.

[midnight rock]

i have none of that

[tawdry tree]

You could also do that but if it’s the stabilizers that are rattling foam is most likely not going to help much.

[midnight rock]

I'm sorry if i sound really dumb i aint gonna lie i had a bit too much to drink tonight but

[tawdry tree]

Ah, oh well. Maybe check if it’s the stabilizers rattling in the plate or if it’s the wire rattling in the stabilizer. If you know how to.

[midnight rock]

How do i tell rhe difference

I just had this idea pop into my head

Like when i slam my spacebar it sounds a little hollow/rattly compared to my other keys

[tawdry tree]

Hmm, if it’s hard to differentiate the sound you could try to hold the stabilizer housing with tweezers and if the rattle is gone you’ll know it’s the stabilizer rattling in the plate.

[midnight rock]

Sounds like an idea

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, it’s very common.

[midnight rock]

And then i can decide whether to add foam or not

Or lube the stabs

I did keep the stock spacebar as i thought it looked nice to keep a black space bar rest of my keycaps besides the f keys are pbt keycaps i got from drop

I guess i could swap the key out and test for sound

[tawdry tree]

Foam not so much, but then you could put a tiny piece of tape on the plate next to the stabilizer to stop it from rattling.

[midnight rock]

They do feel more rigid than the stock keycaps

[tawdry tree]

You could do that yeah.

The stock keycaps that cam e with the 2HE were ABS iirc.

[midnight rock]

I got the PBT ones

[tawdry tree]

Oh alright.

[midnight rock]

Using purple drop skylight pbt keycaps except for my spacebar f keys/enter keys

I like the look of the black on the spacebar but my drop keycap does sound better

[tawdry tree]

Looks nice. I do see that you won’t be able to take the stabilizers out or put tape there without unscrewing the entire board (I did not know).

Well, tape might still be possible.

I did not know you couldn’t take out the stabilizers on the 2HE.

That’s a bummer.

[midnight rock]

So tape/foam is my best option?

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, tape. @stray tiger had a picture of tape in between the plate and stabilizer to potentially reduce the rattle. He might still have it.

A picture explains it better than text.

[midnight rock]

Yep hopefully @stray tiger sees it tommorow and posts it that'd be helpful

🙂

[tawdry tree]

If he’s not too busy I’m sure he will.

He already had it posted before but I can’t find it.

Thought it was in #🪛│modding_faq but sadly not.

[midnight rock]

Well thanks for trying i appreciate it

[tawdry tree]

Yw!

[midnight rock]

Honestly tho i'm too inebriated tonight to do anything on the spot

I just happened to think about it

😛

[tawdry tree]

Haha, all good man. Your keyboard won’t walk away all of the sudden. Hopefully not at least.

[midnight rock]

The cat will steal it from me

She loves the wooting wristrest

[tawdry tree]

😂😂

[midnight rock]

XD

[tawdry tree]

I saw the cat hairs!!

[midnight rock]

Can't avoid them

They get everywhere