#🔧│keyboard_modding
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Unless you spend like $1,500 on a wireless charging keyboard
i was playing pro level esports on a wireless apex pro tho and it was a good experience
latency wise
Wireless keyboards do look nice but for wooting? Nah that would just ruin its purpose for quick gameplay
man I sure love Englishing 🗿
real 🗿
I'm a little disappointed that the wooting top s out at 1,000 Hertz
more than 1khz on a kb is useless
thanks
i just checked wootility cus of this and now i know theres a update
lol
more strain on your cpu for 0 reason honestly
What did dongle change this?
the wooting runs at 1ms unless we get >1000hz monitors with crt sub 1ms response times keyboards are fine at 1khz
: D
I'm paying $300 CAD for a gaming PCB I'm looking for future proof and my CPU is at 30% usage with 8k mouse and the game unlocked I'm chilling
dude lol
we are like
10+ years away from consistent sub 1ms gaming
1khz is not going to change shit
8khz keyboards are just a marketing sham
Lan?
it barely matters for mice
Wooting has better latency than any 8khz keyboard available
it is NOT gonna matter for a kb
wooting is 1ms
your monitor is higher ms than your wooting
lol
Scan rate is much more important than polling rate for keyboards
Could say that about the switches
even oled isnt sub 1ms
me being confused 
Input latency doesn't just stop at the keyboard
brother is your monitor is above 1ms and your keyboard is at 1ms
more polling on the kb is going to do jack shit
lol
It adds to the rest of the setup I'm just considering removing as much where I can
Going wooting already did that
a 20khz keyboard side by side to a 1khz would be NO DIFFERENT
that kinda stuff is only relevant to mice
They know what they are doing, they went 1khz over 8k for a reason
Why even buy a wooting?
...
marketing scheme!!
Your 20hz ball mouse and shitty keyboard is "no different"
rapid trigger..?
tayrchron mode...?
The firmware

jesus christ lol you must be a little slow if you think the wooting is held back by its polling rate
pls go buy an 8khz keyboard and cancel your wooting order so someone else can get it 
😭😭😭
LMAO
das crazy
you probably think the 1ms advertised on monitors is actually 1ms

So 20hz rapid trigger and 8000hz rapid trigger are identical?
No I dont
That's why I look at all specs
what do you think your monitor runs at
I don't just shrug and say yo I'll take anything
cause spoiler alert its >5 ms 😂
You probably think your eye can only see 30 hz
He used to be a monitor nerd that's likely not the case
if you genuinely think the polling rate on a wooting holds it back idk what to tell you
It wasn't that deep of a question
you literally cannot input fast enough on a keyboard
for 8khz to be utilized
do you realize that?
8khz polling rate 500hz scan rate
a mouse is extremely different
8khz would use alot of power 
The huntsman v2 has 8k I ask yo could this could maybe get 2 or 4
its marketing
they know gamers will fall for it
why do you think they advertise monitors like this
gaymers 
380hz doesn't equate to 1 frame per ms
who said that
380/1000 isn't 1
im telling you about companies marketing schemes
since you wanna bring up the huntsman 8khz
what cant you grasp
You're out here smoking dicks thinking I said 1ms gtg is real when we're not even talking about the same topic
Really I never knew that
He clearly has that message
hunstman still wouldn't be as quick as wooting because its rapid trigger implementation is mid 
I never agreed that it was
It also likely doesn't have a scan rate that matches the polling so those 8 extra inputs are literally lost in translation
I said we have 8k polling rate mice and 4k I would like the FUTURE PROOF
It's straight up useless
it isnt future proof
Do you know what a future proof means?
Future proofing with tech is not a good thing
That isnt
You can never future proof with tech it'll be obsolete in a year or two anyway
A 70 series card isn't future proof when it's being maxed out today ?
budget builds can practically run almost every game rn lel
No actual person said it was a future proof
A 3080 on release isn't the same as a 8k mouse today
Your trying to argue one point with the exact opposite
probably more
8k implementation on mice today could be absolutely garbage compared to 2-3 years from now🤷
You just said it's not future proof
10 years is far from the future moron
10 years from now your reaction time will slow with age so much that latency difference won't matter
So fucking stupid saying oh point a isn't future proof but your point is 10 years into the future 🤣
that 8khz is gonna take your kd from .3 to 10000000000
because an 8khz keyboard will not be of any advantage to an 8khz
Did you,,, read what he said
for the foreseeable future
it isnt future proof
its useless tech
by the time 8khz becomes useful
the board will be outdated
it wll be junk the same as membrane keyboards are today
will*
jesus christ man lmao
Wooting will have 30 different keyboards by the time 8khz keyboards are "useful"
the board probably wont even work at the point 8khz would be useful and EVERY SINGLE other feature othe board would be MASSIVELY outdated
Look at CRTs as an example
Sub 1ms response time yet obsolete
How are you not understanding my point?
so basically
keyboards right now don't have the capability of utilizing 8khz to its full strength
so in the future keyboards would have better firmware to actually make 8khz meaningful?
in the very far future maybe but monitor tech would have to advance first, so would actual pc hardware
Keyboards are just as of the last few years fully utilizing 1khz polling
Let alone 8khz
Monitors have been getting faster exponentially
no they havent
This is a thing?
Now youre just disagreeing cus your upset
no?
I want modern 240hz crt
crt 360hz 1440p where
Ulmb 2?
monitor tech is advancing amazingly but exponentially ?
ulmb has one good implementation
Wooting is planning to make their switches better this year I believe
on the 540hz TN
dont foget the aqn 360 1440p
the other ULMB2 implimentations introduce latency and crosstalk
aqn ulmb2 sucks
i have the aqn

its a mess of crosstalk and dimness
I have the aqn and the 540hz
I use the aqn with ULMB2 feels fine
ulmb2 isnt its selling point tho its response times and moniton clarity even unstrobed are
OLED 360h 1440p with strobing later this year though
thats when strobing is really gonna shine
Strobing on AQN is good
i cant wait for the motion clarity tests of that
strobing on the aqn to most enthusiasts is very poor for the price
the 540 is a gross price rn
Give it to me I'll put it to good use
yeah
I paid 595 for my aqn
Xg2431💪💪(I'm a 1080p pleb)
if the xg was brighter
itll be a long time before those are $300 prob a year or more
After I added the fr4 plate, the spacebar stabs for some reason don’t click in and they come out easy and sounds bad
Anyone know why?
are these jades
Brightness is an issue but my room is very dim so pure xp on light is bright enough
Yeah
the stabs look like they sit fine to me
nvm
Im using stock stabs with my jades
those stabs are loose
no issues
But it’s just the spacebar
swap a different jade into the spacebar
Yeah Ik they come out easy
different jade
stabs that loose is insane but my current board does the same shit
But this was only after installing the fr4
my wooting is gonna sound like shit compared
the recent akko switches are so nice stock
kailh HE switches soon
Ok now sound test and photo where?
no its literally the jades
They don’t click in like all the other stabs
you have 2 issues
one is your stab isnt going in
one is the bottom out
unless you have tx ap long pole stabs?
I use jades with stock stabs
zero issues
Its loose
and PC plate
@marsh saffron
You can add like tape or bandaid on the plate
To make it tighter
Groundbreaking*
there seems to be tolerance issues with the jades
are your keycaps GMK or clones
Because the stabs are loose on the plate its not a switch thing
Yeah but they won’t click in
For some reason
Just for the spacebar
What's that?
They don’t click in
Because l o o s e
the PC wooting plate works great
What the fuck
with the silicone under the plate
Bro what’s loose
THAT SENSOR POSITION IS CURSED OMG
The stabilizers are loose because they don’t click in.. they can’t click in it’s impossible
its your stabs
the stabs with the plate
use a different plate
if you want to do something getting put something inbetween the stabs and the caps
Just make it a tighter fit by putting tape or bandaid on the plate 😭
jades feel weird
fast bottom out
but arent jades like light switches? they dont feel light
thats what Ive been saying this entire time 
Yeah it’s the plate
kbd sending them the cf ver
Ain’t no fucking bandaid gonna fix it
Literally happened after the place
thats unlucky
.
dude I put the silicone foam shit under the PC plate and its weird
Im telling u to
you can fix it with a bandaid
Add bandaid or tape
Because it makes it tighter
its essentially band aid mod
when the spacebar is on
you will not notice it
lol
the switch wil hold the spacebar the stabs wont lift
theyll stay fixed
@silver pecan
it literally isnt a huge issue
I wonder if im not having issues because I puit the silicone under the PC plate
those look like gateron inks
theyre uhhhhhhh
i cant even rem
oh my fucking god i fucked up my lub taking my spacebar off
no
IDK if its the jades but the wooting config I have rn doesnt feel very like fast actuation
I have all keys set to 0.1
if you main 0.1 for a few days
its easy to get used to
but like#
if your hands are cold its game over
misinputs all other the place
I only set 0.1 on wasd
over*
i have no more lbue and i just ripped my spaceboard stab off
etc etc
lmao
this is how I run it 24 7
Absolute schizo
it honestly
sapphire makes such good gpus
fdoesnt feel sensitive enough
sapphire my beloved
it legit
could be more sensitive
I dont even get double letters
lame
where the stabs clip
Try at these points
There we go
I just did this and made it 10x faster
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the bandaid/tape should be where the clips are (the clip is the part where i am pointing with my pencil)
dont mind the paper
imd oing hw
lol
Im pretty sure it does make it feel more sensitive though
it doesnt do anything it just changes the repeat delay
so like if you wanna hold down a key and spam then yeah ig
outside of that it does literally nothing
for fortnite its literally useless
@silver pecan put the bandaid/tape on where the straight insert are (the top one is an example of what i meant)
LMAO
tight tolerance
most likely bc the tape is thick
i havent done that shi in a really long time so i wouldnt really know exactly 100%
Well u can try one side 
tape too thick to the point it pushed in the clip making the stab stem stuck
or just have a hard time fitting or getting out of the plate
Just checked
This the only bandaid I got 💀💀💀💀
Wtf is this
Yeah that shit doesn’t work
So like do I have a damaged plate or smth @fluid ravine
no you put the bandaid on the plate
on this location
should look something liek this
Yoo that helped it
Wait
Is it supposed to overlap
I had it flat on the spot with the bandaid symbol
Just flat
💀
bro
just put the stab in
and put the spacebar on
my stabs do the saething
same thing
it isnt noticable when the keycap is on
Bro what
I don’t think u understand, it sounds terrible and feels terrible
Idk what u mean by noticeable, like looking at it? Idgaf about that, it sounds terrible and feels weird
Best tape for tape mod??
Masking or Painters tape
Like to
Should the tape be like this
Or should I have it long enough to go up and touch the front and back
Cause it’s just flat rn on the bandaid logo
@silver pecan
this is bandaid mod, its a mod that dampens the sound contact of your stabilizer stem hitting the pcb, this mod requires a fabric bandaid like the holee mod
alumaze60
・switch lube
・poron form
the legends on the keycaps are interestingly small than other gaming keycaps i see
for those struggling with wobbly stabs, Lightning goes into detail with this Wooting Fjell build. Timespamped
Keyboard specs and links below.
Designer: Wooting
Keyboard: 60HE
Plate: steel full
Keycaps: MW Lilith R2 Katakana
Switches: Gateron Lekker L45
Lube: Krytox 205g0
Springs: 45g
Switch Films: n/a
Stabilizers: Plate-mount TX stabilizers, lubed with 205g0
Case: Mekanisk FJELL
Mods: o-ring for burger dampening on screws, 2 layers Mekanisk 60% foam
...
that tint on the keycaps in that pic is nice
Oh yeah I can see why so many love rgb
fo sure
Should i trade a yunzii yz75 case for a keychron q4 case?
u done with modding your keyboard, what crazy shitz you've been trying?
surprisingly i havent open up my keyboard for a whole month
isnt that insane?!
new record!
haha

i do wish i could do something but i really dont got anything to do
same, I haven't touched mine for a long time aside from Jades
looking forward to buying new switches and keycaps
noiiice
then i would be complete with my build
that's the goal
but if i were to get rich i would buy a really nice case, but thats never gonna happen
but yeah switches and keycaps are goal
prob last 2
Should i trade a yunzii yz75 case for a keychron q4 case?
sorry
dont really know anything abt the yunzii
Keychron are solid products if that's any help, I know nothing about Yunzii
atm im waiting for more releases on HE switches esp like the dual rail system
this should also give me enough time and find the right time to ask my parents for permission to buy em
Yeah I wouldn't be rushing now especially if you're happy with your lekkers, which to me sounds pretty good anyways. Your build specifically
Designed by kin25 Clip-in PCB Mount POM Outer Side POM + TPU Mix Inner Side Wires made of Stainless 304 Doubleshot Stems Stabilizer Stoppers to prevent wire pop-out The newest version of TX's incredible stabs is the "Almost Perfect" stabilizer kit. "AP" for short, the housing is thicker and rounder, creating less wobbl
yo do these work with stock wooting
not the module
they sound mediocre but still very acceptable comparing to the stock lekkers
where do you live?
canada
what vendors are available over there
the one i sent is like the only spot i know
ima search a few for you
you need TX AP Plate mount Stabilizers
Rev 4 are pcb mounted


wait where did you put them
just flat on the thing
didnt you place them on the pcb earlier
ima prolly do that shit tmrw
send it to Alexotos if you live around his area
yeah i did
ayy thanks
they're suppose to go on the plate
return them
and buy plate mount
lol
idk
or that
thats a plate problem
so i dont know but most likely not
how do i fix it
like did i put the plate on wrong
or is it just kdbshit
you placed yours on the pcb
its impossible to place on the plate
wait one sec
yes..
how tfam i supposed to place it on the plate
that will block the stabs from even working
by puting it on the plate :D
BRO
lmaooo
okay wait
that plate looks wrong af
ill send a vid
@silver pecan
oh wait iso
should it just be on the plate
to perform the mod
wait so mine wont work?
too thin
ill get that tmrw
do u have the original link to these lists
ty
did anyone else here use the silicone pad with the PC plate for wooting or do most use the poron?
yes people have use silicone
its personal preference
but people that gummy mount like me cannot use it
since it doesnt compress for the oring to fit into the case
with Jades, I have no foam at all and my facial and chest hairs have grown ten fold
oh ok
fyi
SAME
HAHA

no pcb foam gang
Im using silicone with the salvation

but no casee foam
@fluid ravine
yeap!
is it okay if i use normal instead of long pole
uhhh
just play around with whatever foam config, tray mount makes life so much easier when modding
depends on the person I think
holy fk 42 cad for stabs
@loud zephyr lekkers/jades arent long pole right?
minus having to take all keycaps and switches out
to swap plate foam
i think jades are long pole
I thought Jades were LP and if they are I can't tell the difference from Lekkers or Raps
but someone said it didnt matter
ok rich
I also will own this someday
bona fide nut cracker
i had no info abt them tbh
iso i really dont got an answer for this
sorry
tuff 
just use standard pole
me remembering my gmmk compact having long pole switches
im trying mines out
i dunno which type of pole CAM got me but imt rying them out anyways
lmao

if i get bandaids tmrw and it still wont work properly
what do i do my goat @fluid ravine
bro tell me why i got thrown with immortals and they were plat 1
LMAO
ditch the plate thats what
mmr
idk
lmao
bro i just got it tho
should i actually ditch it
this piece of shit
man fk that plate
wooting's black PC platge is calling u
it was like 50 cad
real
because of reset isnt it
yeah it is
asc would be getting their gold ranks
etc etc
possibly even worst
im playing comp when majority of the players get their ranks
so i wont have to suffer
school should take that time away from me anyways
so i should be fine
exactly
thats what i hate
its stupid
and not me buying the new bundle
(my friend paid for like half of it since i had 5k leftover)
u could rob someone with this
lol so fancy yet unecessary

the gateron ones are fast because of the switch release
GIB ME THAT
Hey @fluid ravine the YMDK blank keycaps spacebars never ended up fitting on my board, even with the replacement one they sent out, these were cherry profile but their oem prolfile fit. Would I be good to cop another set of blank cherrys from a different brand or would I likely run into the same issue?
I use a keycap puller for a few to create a gap and just use my fingers to pull the rest out
ymdk sound familiar...
fr
Yeah they ended up sending out 2 more replacement due to them not fitting on the wooting, but its weird cos their oem fit. will find link mfor u 1 sec
Peaked imm 3 btw everyone react
interesting I almost went ymdk but went for Ranked blanks, pretty good quality imo
shitt sorry for long link
where do you live?
these new blanks I found only 10aud
australia
alg brother
memory of a goldfish
whhaa 10 bucks isn't even two coffees, good find
haha u good
ye only white though but still prob clean
if they fit that is
they dont have measurements but it looks like 6.25 spacebare
u got another kb to try the spacebar on?
nah I sold for the wooting haha
so its odd
same brand oem fit just not their cherry
and these r even cheaper so not expecting their cherry to fit either tbh
should look at these aus vendors
do some research and see what you like
i honestly dont trust ali (like buying keycaps)
cafege the goat, dude gonna bundle the Frog mini, platge and stabs for the Wooting
kinda tempted
lmao
oh shi
its almost 1am
i just noticed
fk
i need to go to sleep for school
3am is when the party startgs
UHH
aiigt gn, dude
7:40 am for me driving to work 
Has anyone who ordered the module received a later expected delivery date? Wondering if mine bumped out farther due to the Alumaze60 case included into my order
das crazt
I mean if u talk about the module only, we are at the same point as you
calder I think it was maybe trollin
Got it, mine is expected to deliver between the dates Feb 01-09
status?
wooting so busy they don't even know what month it is
progress at least
im guessing it will arrive mid feb
I think it's up to your preference, but you can still reduce the spring ping on the Jades with re-lube and switch tape. G is stock, H is re-lubed and switch taped.
It's been postponed another week or 2. Originally said Jan 15 or so
i forgot what its called but when they ship it to the warehouse they need time for it to get packed up and everything
and while thats happening
day by day, you estimate delivery will be pushed back by one day
and it would literally be pushed back for like a whole CENTURY

it was hell
are u in wolken
are you saying the two colors of this plate are different?
https://wooting.io/product/60he-pc-switch-plate
or was it a cosmetic thing i didnt gather the context for
There is a White or Black option of the PC plate
thats just cosmetic, right? i am asking
The black was recently released
You can say that
cosmetic but white diffuses light better for rgb lovers
🥱 using rgb messes with the switches /s
Well no it doesn't..
Gotcha, til then I continue my wait 🙂
:)
i said /s 
Dunno what that means
Either too young or am Boomer/zoomer
Lmao
i was being sarcastic 🙂
Wolken?
Thanks
Gonna add that to my nonexistent dictionary
thats the first module batch

Not entirely sure but I pretty much pre ordered the module very soon after it's release
same
hey what's up with PC keycaps? 
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In this video, I transform the Polycarbonate Mark: 65 to make a side-by-side comparison against the Aluminium version. With all else constant (plate material, switches and case design), we can then find out how different case material impacts the acoustics of a mechanical keyboard. Hopefully this video is helpful for you in deciding what case ma...
The Upgrade the Wooting 60HE needed and deserved.
Can anyone vouch for the Poseidon case (non defender) mentioned in the compatible case list?
In what sense?
I have the PSD60 what do you need ?
Does it need any extra modifications for sound?
hi is there any recommened guide to watch on how to case swap the wooting?
with a tofu redux
The 60HE Module is compatible with any universal 60% case that followed the GH60 standards. This is how to safely swap out the 60HE into another case.
Our own Alumaze60 case: https://wooting.io/product/alumaze60
Supported Custom case list: https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/de7a52e2b5a941258a17e448b0c9d9b0
00:00 Intro
00:24 removing the ...

cuz
theres standoff
screws
in my tofu box
😭
its literally just unscrewing it all and then screwing it back in?
Pretty much, unless you’re thinking of mounting it a specific style
is anyone using gateron jade switches? wanted to ask about the total travel and why it's shorter compared to lekkers or gaterone orange switch
jades being 3.5 while all else is 4(or4.1)
Well, what i did to mine was adding some extra foam in the case ... and it was pretty good
you need to test it my friend, it needs to be to your liking 🙂
okay thank you, i have mine coming in soon and i will let you know how it goes
i also used polyfil so it was pretty much dampened
sorry can't help you there because
its very personal
as of right now i dont have any other foam options so i plan to use the stock foam
i just used random foams
from packages 😄
and some polyfil i had
but yeah, if you let it empty can be a little pingy
just like any random alum clone of the Tofu ( and the Tofu60 itself ) was
😄
that's the thing with clones, they copy the positive and negative points of the cases 😄
which keycaps cover the screws on the Two HE?
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I’ve ordered my wooting, but I’m looking for some mods to make it kind of sound like brown switches, any suggestions?
Hey, guys! This one should work for the module + jades, correct?
It is shorter because of the closed out bottom housing on the jades
yes this should work
Realistically, you are comparing linear switches (Lekkers) to a tactile (browns). They will not feel and sound the same. HE switches are also oriented towards performance, not sound, so the default lekkers will sound awful. You can lube them, do a case swap, and add some sound mods, but it will not sound as good as a regular custom keeb
👆🏻
Thanks!
lekkers probably sound like browns 
tysm!!
You don’t need long pole unless you have issues with the jades and keycap tightness , mainly around the spacebar.
Most people have not had any issues with regular stabs
Yeah, I understand, but I would rather get them, to make sure that everything is solid no matter how hard I press on either side of the spacebar
Fair, if you don’t already own regular stabs, then go for it, but I wouldn’t spend more money on stabs if you have a set already
Plus, I never really messed around with different stabs, so it’s an interesting experience for me
But I totally get where you coming from
@harsh dove did you ever do that polyfill, jades, and oring mount soundtest? if so could you send it to me, I might've missed it lol.
Yeah, I’ve just been seeing a lot of people thinking they need long pole for the jades and have to replace what they already have but most people in here with Jades, including myself, haven’t had issues with regular stabs
I've only seen issues on stock wooting keycaps, those might just have bad tolerences
Hahaha, yeah, I really liked when everyone started to freak out after that post with sideways spacebar lol
yeah I really don't like that post
it made a lot of people freak out for no reason
and I've made like 8 paragraphs explaining that it may just not be an issue for you at all, explaining why it happens, and how to fix it if you have the issue
Just finished modding my 60he for the millionth time, The best one I have found that eliminates the slight high pitched pinging from the lekker switches are Porron switch pads
They go between the switch and the pcb, and they do a brilliant job
Hey folks! I was sent here by Anders.
The question came up of case compatibility in the 60he channel and it gave me a bit of concern.
I'd been planning on machining my own, custom case for my 60he (when it comes in a couple weeks😓 )
I pulled the files from the git-hub and I've been working on a model little by slow.
He mentioned that some cases would endanger the PCB and were therefore incompatible.
This (he says) is a a physical issue regarding objects piercing or crushing the PCB and causing a fault.
Given that I've defined all the mounting holes and the mounting plane with the wooting design files, I think I'm ok there.
I'd love some other eyes on this to ensure that's true.
I am also concerned with electrical issues. Grounding, conductivity, trace burning, etc, ... Does someone have experience with this? Specifically; raw, uncoated metal case with the wooting PCB.
I was thinking of using brass or aluminum (brass bar is nearly $500💀 )
A couple of pics to follow; one image has the clearance under the screw/mounting plane.
If you use the standoff locations in the CAD file (which follow the DZ60/GH60 standard) you'll be fine. If you are still concerned you can place a small o-ring between the standoff and PCB, which will help isolate resonance as well.
I was thinking of using isolating washers and nylon mounting screws...
There is shielding around the mounting holes on the pcb, correct?
That also works well but using a silicone o-ring in place of your washer would reduce the resonance you're going to get with a metal case
There are no traces around the mounting points
For sure. sometimes however, on some pcbs there can be issues with the grounding plane intersecting at the mounting holes
Since youre designing your case yourself, you could also just remove the mounting points and just create a very small "lip points" around the inside of the case and gummy mount it.
hey hey 🙂 you need to try it, the redux does not have much space left when the pcb is installed. Even a tempest mod/tape mod with 3 layers already starts showing some resistance.
The best you can do is use insulation
So, do away with the mounting plane (as defined by the wooting files) .... leave the mounting locations as a small depression instead and use a soft o-ring to space the pcb up off the metal?
Can you elaborate?
Like an o-ring like tirade said
Not sure how much space the surface mount components on the underside of the pcb adds
Also consider any other mods like tape mod or foam if any when designing the case
Also tolerances
Like that usb port
I'm going to get the keeb, use it for a while, and actually measure things before finalizing the design any how
Ah
Good
I'm not going to tape mod. Seems silly to me. I don't want sticky things in it
Well... I'm really relieved that no one sees a conductivity issue and shorting the board out.
That was my main concern
Also consider the compliance of the O rings, they will squish as they get pressed down.
Does anyone use ceramic key on 60HE?
Lots of people in here gummy -oring mount the PCB and dont use any standoffs or screw-in points
If you put something squishy on all contact points between the pcb and the rest of the build, it will decouple the physical presses from the chassis and change the sound, no matter what squishy thing you use
I’m just wondering if it do fit
Yeah, cauz it's just held in with friction
Friction fit tolerances
Also known as pressfits
Correct. But he is making a case from scratch. Could make the gummy lips where he wanted
The best bottom bracket type 🙂
I can’t remember which type of the key cap it is, haven’t use it for a while
Lots of things to consider, like the compliance of the o rings how much squish is required to achieve desirable amounts of friction.
hrm that seems like an issue since tape mod is a requirement for polyfill last time I checked
I would love some details about what your thinking.
I'm totally new to this area.
Drawings? Or a link?
I'd even be down to vc about it some time
Imagine he adds a few gummy ring lips and then right above them a small gummy channel that wraps around the case. He could go slightly bigger and less friction at that point once you push it down low enough to get the o-ring into the channel. Hell, he could even make a 2 piece case and just have the channel cut between the top and bottom.
I have solidworks and a cnc vertical mill at my disposal
Wooting 60 HE in Klippe T special edition solid brass case using gummy o-ring friction fit mount
That could work
But that complicates design. And also increases cost because it's no longer a single piece that has to be machined.
True
is tape mod a requirement or reccomended for polyfill? I've heard that since the polyfill is conductive you should do tape mod so it doesnt mess up the board but I dont know how true that is.
Nothing is ever required in modding. And if your polyfill is conductive, youre not using polyfill
I see what you mean! A small detent that the gummy would "snap" into
Yes and a few little lips/ledge points right below the channel/indent to keep the board from dropping too low.
That might be difficult to machine if it's not a 2 piece ordeal.
Making an inner channel like that
How you gonna tell a machinist how to machine?
Ducky is a machinist too if I recall lol
Of course, you are correct and I'm glad to hear your spacial reasoning is intact
Would also depend on the type of mill/cnc you have
The only issue is the corners really
Indeed I am. Mostly the programming/CAM side of it but I also use the actual machines sometimes.
Just fillet them and that issue is gone lol
The biggest problem I see with corners is when they are too scalloped and then the corner of you key caps hit them.
Yeah
It that's a limitation with tooling
Maybe if you use a tiny end mill you might be able to use a smaller fillet
But that's a pain
You're right, but I don't want fillets.
I could undercut them with woodruff cutter.
Radiused.
You dont need the corners squared but Ive seen some really rounded ones that suck
I'd suggest modeling in the keycaps and board and see if they will clear it.
I believe the module cad is available
Model in some thick 1.6-1.8mm keycaps to be safe
I used the entire wooing assembly model
Ah, usually that includes their standard keycaps in the model
Now that you mention it... I'm not sure! I'll have to look.
But the I.D. and crucial measurements are direct copies from the model...
So fitment wouldn't be an issue
... I think?
Hence my waiting
I appreciate your insights fellas.
Thank you
No problem!
I suddenly want an all PC build and an all alu 60HE build. Unfortunately they don’t make all alu switches tho. Still waiting for an all PC HE switch
Hey I am also working on a case for my wooting, mind if I PM you?
similar questions re: mounting
Please do!
I am also a little concerned about conductivity
especially if I remove all mounting points and try to gummy oring mount
guess I'd need to make sure pcb doesnt just touch the bottom of the case completely
Another thing you can consider is a non conductive coating.
Albeit some can be expensive
But that eliminates the problem entirely.
@stray tiger @tall hollow
I was thinking about 3d printing a tpu pc plate (maybe the wrong name for it) the spacer thing....
Thoughts?
I was not aware of that, I'll have to ask about it
my other thought was just making the case in PC instead
What do you think of Cerakote?
Cerakote on aluminum that is
Thats what the little ledges/lips are for. To keep the PCB from sliding down too far. Or you can do what I did and put 4 small rubber bumpers in the bottom 4 corners
I love it
So many colors and incredible durability.
I have no idea...... @devout torrent ...... nooooooooooooooo
That's what I was going to query
Cerakote is thermally conductive but not electrically conductive. Ive cerkoted 4 different cases over the years
ahh ok I must be mixing things up
This is a great community.
"Cerakote is actually a military grade polymer ceramic that resists corrosion (they have some colors that have lasted over 6000 hours in a salt bath) is flexible, scratch resistant, adds luberisity, aids in being a thermal barrier, can be IR invisible, an electrical insulator and much more."
It's such a fantastic coating.
I have spec'd it for a part on the instrument I work on.
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3D printing usually doesn't have as good tolerances as machined parts, but useful for one-off parts
I would recommend stuff like carbon fiber/glass fiber filled composite filaments cauz 3D prints tend to be more flimsy than their machined/injection molded counterparts
It's great!
TPU is a soft rubber compound....
I mean to print it in place of the foamy spacer thing. ( I can't recall the name.
and yes, most prints tend to about .010" over/under sized.
I adjust for that depending on geometry... usually on an ID/OD basis
TPU is a soft plastic yes
I've cerakoted a lot of guns in my day, its a very good and highly resistant coating
honesly, the only thing better is anodizing
But that's electrically conducive still?
they also make a rather hard spray paint called alumahide
Anodizing is insulating
when something gets cerakoted, they sand blast off the anodizing
so that would remove the insulating properties of the andozing
I cannot speak on this.. I don't really care if my guns are conductive hahah
unless it was a railgun
I can say my job requires me to beat the piss out of my guns, and it holds up amazingly
lol cerakote is a thermal barrier
it gets baked in kind of like powder coating, so I could see that
They make a Thermal barrier product specifically for this but otherwise its not a significant barrier.
They also make an electrically conductive cerakote
Correct
P-202
yeah, it appears they it has to be a specific coating.. which makes sense
Gablessyu
Yeah really just have to make sure you get the proper coating for the job you’re trying to do
There’s also H-900
Which is an electrical barrier
I would say any gunshop with cerakoting services will be more than happy to apply it for you.. just order you own and drop it off with your part
I think what I'm trying to do may have been miscommunicated..... I'll try it and post the results. (it'll be a while though so, mental pin here)
I had some trouble with the local shops here actually...
I utilize this material on a part for the machine I build and finding a shop to apply the coating took some effort.
Most only want to do guns, it seems.
thats weird.. I have had car parts done by a couple local shops. Usually they are more than helpful
I'm sure it's a people-centric problem and not a wide spread thing....
if youre in the US, there is a shop I would recommend for all coatings.. let me see if i can find it
most likely lol
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these guys do amazing work
and they can do cerakote and anodizing
although lead times can vary




