🔧│keyboard_modding

[dapper hazel]

on zf

[stray tiger]

They arent KS-20T?

[dapper hazel]

see the patent post from gateron

they name them in it H

[winged python]

is tofu60 redux really worth it over stock case? its pretty pricy for me to get it to austraia

[dapper hazel]

sorry

T

youre right

[tawdry tree]

T

[stray tiger]

ok whew, had me worried for a min haha

[tawdry tree]

Wouldn’t surprise me if they change the name again

😂

[dapper hazel]

and then U is the double rail ones?

i thought the jade ones are the U ones

[tawdry tree]

Yes

[dapper hazel]

or is T the double rail?

[tawdry tree]

Ks-20U is dual rail (not yet publicly released)

[dapper hazel]

ah

i thought somehow the jade ones are the double rail ones

[tawdry tree]

Jades do not have dual rail design

[dapper hazel]

I ordered some but theyre still in the mail

[tawdry tree]

I wish

[dapper hazel]

well, wish... who knows how they turn out haha

[stray tiger]

The Neo Studio one I believe is a dual rail version of the KS-20T but they also got a patent complaint from gateron

[dapper hazel]

so the wooting compat ones with polarity in one direction are gateron and raptor, and then all the other ones are reverse polarity?

[tawdry tree]

Patent war..

[dapper hazel]

or are there any other makes that are compat?

[dapper hazel]

patent thief accusing patent thief... go ask gateron if they ever heard of cherry...

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[tawdry tree]

Only Gateron’s and Geon as of now

[dapper hazel]

ah okay so no change on that front haha

[stray tiger]

Ill be curious to see if Kailh, Heijn, Raseha or Zenaim also get notices for their HE switches

[dapper hazel]

I think that is what the filing is about

they will use the steelseries ones are sales item to proof first on market

and then everyone else is fucked

IF they get it through

[stray tiger]

The OmniPoint ones?

[tawdry tree]

Do you know if HE switch compatibility is a hardware as in HE sensor can’t sense other magnetic forces or a firmware thing?

[dapper hazel]

idk which ones they refer to specifically but if you translate the ZF post:

Since its establishment, Huizhou Jiadalong Electronic Technology Co., Ltd. (GATERON) has focused on the research and manufacturing of mechanical switches and customized switches. In 2019, in collaboration with SteelSeries, we launched the world's first magnetic switch keyboard, which was subsequently used in the Wooting magnetic switch keyboard a year later.

[dapper hazel]

magnet polarity

the other ones are reverse

[stray tiger]

There are a number of factors

[dapper hazel]

due to, i was told, cheaper sensors on other boards

[tawdry tree]

I read it, Steelseries’ switch is KS-20 as well.

[dapper hazel]

(wooting = good, drunkdeer = "cheaper" sensor = reverse polatiry)

[tawdry tree]

Hm

[dapper hazel]

thats at least what the pcb guys told me when i looked into it a few weeks ago

[tawdry tree]

It seems stupid to me that not all HE keyboards use the same design.

[stray tiger]

Drunkdeer, Elecom, and another Im forgetting are all the same board

[tawdry tree]

Would be better for all of us.

[dapper hazel]

they do but they dont

[stray tiger]

oh and I forgot Outemu also has an HE switch

[dapper hazel]

i think the sensors are a bit more expensive

the good ones

[tawdry tree]

But a new is also expensive no?

[dapper hazel]

thats interesting, because maybe gazzew and geon work on this together haha

[tawdry tree]

The KS-37 didn’t exist only long after the KS-20.

[dapper hazel]

those sensors are pretty old i think, like thats no new invention

[stray tiger]

The RedDragon M61 uses Outmenu HE switches

[tawdry tree]

Hm

[stray tiger]

Kailh has 2 different HE switches. Kailh Box Sakura Pink and Ice Cream

[dapper hazel]

and theyre all opposite polarity of gateron then

i wonder if thats on purpose

[tawdry tree]

An all out boycott against Gateron

🫡

[stray tiger]

Well even the KS-37B arent compatible with the KS-20 boards, so there are some changes for sure even internally to gateron

[dapper hazel]

yeah the 37B are also reverse right?

[stray tiger]

Thats my understanding

[dapper hazel]

yep, iirc thats the case yeah

all other switches and ks37, and then ks20 is opposite

[tawdry tree]

What I don’t understand is if you’d take the magnet of the KS-37s would the HE sensor of the Wooting HE boards not be able to sense it?

[dapper hazel]

opposite polarity

[stray tiger]

Not if the polarity is reverse

[dapper hazel]

+/-

facing up/down

[tawdry tree]

HE sensors can only sense either pole?

[dapper hazel]

KS20 is one direction, 37 and all the other switches are the opposite

apparently

[tawdry tree]

What the heck

https://tenor.com/view/muppet-kermit-the-frog-type-typing-type-writer-gif-10954656665750753801

[humble drift]

Im pretty new to modding and I want to mod my Wooting, my main goal is to make it silent since that's my preference, I'd like some help as to what to do to achieve this

[stray tiger]

Thats a tough one. You can make it quiter but not silent like a traditional silent board

[humble drift]

As quiet as possible without affecting performance would be something I can live with to be honest

[pallid echo]

what are some good places to buy artisans?

[dapper hazel]

theres certain accessories, but you can start by getting something to fill out the inside of the board

polyfill for example

[dapper hazel]

for collecting or for decoration?

[humble drift]

replacing the stock foam? or adding on?

[dapper hazel]

oh theres already foam in it right

[pallid echo]

decoration mainly

well actually decoration fully LOL

[stray tiger]

If you want as silent as possible, grab some killmat for the internal foam

[dapper hazel]

anywhere then really, lots of people like dwarf factory and their buddies

[humble drift]

I prefer the 'silent' sound but the 'creamy' sound i've recently started to like 😂

[tidal ginkgo]

How do I get silent?

[pallid echo]

ok thank u !

[tawdry tree]

I now identify as Edwin Hall.

[humble drift]

replacing the stock foam?

[stray tiger]

yes

[humble drift]

is it a better alternative would you say?

[stray tiger]

If youre trying to make your keyboard quieter, yes

[pale aspen]

@stray tiger

is this the set you said eariler?

someone offer me frog mini in red

and notice keycap set

[stray tiger]

Oh yeah man, sorry I forgot to pull it out for you. One sec

[pallid echo]

what’s a good price for a salvation case? i might try and buy aftermarket

[pale aspen]

kinda warm white

[harsh dove]

Like buying one used?

[pallid echo]

yeah i was thinking around 200 or 225? or am i hoping too much

[harsh dove]

Nah I was gonna say $220

[pallid echo]

sweet i’ll start saving

thank u

[wispy sierra]

L60 vs Jades https://youtube.com/shorts/XqOH3ITmBow?si=syAq--1frXe5WmEn

[tidal ginkgo]

How do I make my keyboard silent?

[finite gate]

lots of options

dense foam, fr4/pc plate (muted sound profiles), o rings under keycaps

assuming youre talking about wooting

[tidal ginkgo]

Yessir

[finite gate]

if regular keyboards, you can use silent sswitches

not sure theres a silent he switch

[quick gulch]

Honestly orings will get you most of the way there

[tidal ginkgo]

Can you send me links for the products, because I have no idea what ur talking about

[quick gulch]

You won’t be able to remove the upstroke but yea

[finite gate]

you can find all of them on amazon

for dense foam, look for 400kg/m^2

think neoprene may achieve that

can also use tall and thick keycaps, sound resonates more inside them

but like if youre using a wooting youre playing valo and have the keyboard muffled behind 94 layers of noise cancelling anyways

[tidal ginkgo]

Nah bruh

Wtf is valo

[finite gate]

lmfao

[fluid ravine]

@shell geode

Kilmat as case foam is a really good option

i gtg sleep so i cant really help atm sry

if gewalt is online he can help you

he has a slient wooting

[tidal ginkgo]

Gewalt hört sich Deutsch an

[shell geode]

@tidal ginkgo Hey, so I've also tried to make mine silent as well. What I've done is getting some really small o-rings (something like 4mm OD 2mm ID with 1mm thickness) and put the o-ring on the switch stem pole, so it sits between the stem and the spring. It not only muted my switch, but also reduced the total travel of the switch itself, to about 3.8mm. Even though I have my actuation set at 0.1mm, the depresses return quicker. You can test out one switch if you have a small o-ring lying around somewhere. It's not completely silent, but it's quieter. I'll record a clip and send you later

[tidal ginkgo]

Nice, I'll try that then

Where do I get o-rings though?

[shell geode]

I got mine from Amazon

[next oak]

do be warned tho. oring on keycap can change the typing feel on your keyboard

so you might like it, you might not

[polar girder]

https://keebsforall.com/products/doys-keycaps?syclid=cmafiuu5ji7s73e9jcpg&utm_campaign=emailmarketing_149277245659&utm_medium=email&utm_source=shopify_email&variant=44691035717851

PC keycap/plate/switch/case??

[still igloo]

i have a question about case swapping stuff, if i were aquire something like a wooting two HE, how difficulty is swapping the PCB into the varmillo x ducky sakura full size case

would it be more difficult because the switches are recessed and on the wooting theyre exposed?

(i have the full size of the first but i couldnt find a picture of it online)

[loud zephyr]

No other cases are compatible with the Two HE, and I think the only way to make it fit into another is to hack and grind

[still igloo]

damn okay

thank you!

[shell geode]

@tidal ginkgo Here you go! It's not fully quiet, but much quieter than stock. My mic is also sensitive so it's louder than it really is

[untold wigeon]

that is very far from quiet

[sour blade]

thankyou, was looking for a video lke this

👍

[tidal ginkgo]

Why can I hear it lol

[shell geode]

@tidal ginkgo Yeah like I said, I've tried but it's not as significant compared to actual designed silent switches

It would be awesome if one could succeed in making them quiet

[tawdry tree]

Switches are the problem.

[craggy viper]

jades are endgame holy

i just got them in the mail and i havent got most of my stuff planed out for the wooting and it sounds SOO good on the stock wootin

[void hollow]

no mic gonna be more sensitive than a studio mic

its so sensitive that it makes my keyboard sound whack

[void hollow]

did you tape mod it?

if you did, try nano tape sandwiched by painter's tape

[craggy viper]

i wonder if kapton tape would be better

[void hollow]

i feel like any foamy type of tape would work

[craggy viper]

kapton tape is non residue electrical tape

[void hollow]

i actually have some actual studio acoustic foam at home ready to be modded into my keyboard, just waiting for when im not lazy

[craggy viper]

thats super thin

less chances of it shorting out

[void hollow]

maybe when i receive my stabilizers i could try it and drop a few sound tests

[craggy viper]

rn im still trying to figure out what case and what plate i want to use for the wooting

[void hollow]

yeah precisely why i sandwiched it between painter's tape, afraid that the nano rape's residue might get messy on the pcb

[craggy viper]

buts its hard now since the gatteron jades kinda make it sound good

[void hollow]

thock or clack

[craggy viper]

marble thock

even on stock @void hollow

im genually shocked atm

[void hollow]

honestly i feel like the go to mods

lemme find my message

[craggy viper]

rn stock with jades is the marble thock

so im having an even harder time figuring it out

[void hollow]

tape mod 👍 oring friction mount 👍 polyfill 👍 jade switches 👍

pc plate 👌

oring burger mount is fine too but i personally find it hard to pull off so 👌

wanna spend big money?
case 👌

[craggy viper]

now i want to put the holy60 case to see

[craggy viper]

no need for tape mod with jades

[void hollow]

holy 60? oh god

[craggy viper]

the sound profile is already good on stock alu plate and case

[untold wigeon]

stock plate is steel not alu

very big difference

[void hollow]

tape mod pretty much just makes it louder and adds the definition of pop into it

[craggy viper]

oh i thought it was alu

[void hollow]

alu does clack

[untold wigeon]

i wouldnt say louder but it gives it a deeper sound

atleast it did in the tofu

[void hollow]

the poppy was an obvious add-on to me

[untold wigeon]

in the alumaze it mitigated most metallic tones on the alphas

[craggy viper]

i have the takka60 ordered with a cf plate with orange 2.0s for the holy 60

[void hollow]

basically a redux

[craggy viper]

im thinking of getting the metal wooting case and putting a custom pp plate

[void hollow]

im skeptical yet interested about the sound produced by the holy60

the alumaze?

[untold wigeon]

the holy 60 is not gonna sound good, i can promise you right now

[craggy viper]

thats why i bought it if it doesnt sound good then imma just use it on the shelf

[untold wigeon]

there is no way a 200 gram piece of aluminum thats filled with holes will sound good

[craggy viper]

what if the jades fix that

[void hollow]

i mean there would barely be any sound reflections

[untold wigeon]

jades can not fix hollowness

[craggy viper]

i got faith

plus the holy 60 is eye catching

[void hollow]

i think there's a way but not a solution out there right now

maybe acoustic foam could fix it

[craggy viper]

custom plastic insert

[untold wigeon]

the only way i could see that happen is you do a tape mod and you glue polyfill to the bottom of the case

[void hollow]

it can prevent sound from bouncing off the table

in which rendering the polyfill useless ☠️

[craggy viper]

i have a nice deskpad under my keeb at all times so

[void hollow]

doesn't matter, the material in the deskpad wouldn't be enough to dampen out the sound reflections i feel

[craggy viper]

thats true but im still curious about it

its just a cool looking case

[void hollow]

as per compared to studio grade acoustic foam, i have some at home rn (rockwool), im gonna see how muted i can get the redux

[untold wigeon]

if it was like 60 bucks sure

but 120 absolutely not

[void hollow]

it indeed is a cool looking frame i cant disagree

[untold wigeon]

thats before the china taxes too

[craggy viper]

i bought it as the holy 60 on kbd fans

[void hollow]

how much was it

[untold wigeon]

the case by itself is 120

[void hollow]

usd?

[untold wigeon]

the takka60 pcb with the holy60 is around 330

iirc

[untold wigeon]

ya

thats b4 taxes and shipping

[void hollow]

inclusive of shipping thats gonna be another 180 on my arse

[craggy viper]

280 bc i wanted the case pcb cf plate and orange 2.0 switches

[untold wigeon]

should've gone with jades

[void hollow]

are you that desperate @-@

[untold wigeon]

well he isnt

[craggy viper]

i already have jades

[untold wigeon]

it wont ship before match

march*

[void hollow]

i usually dont ride the hype train until someone drops the sound tests for me

usually cam 👀

[untold wigeon]

this is also a limited run

[craggy viper]

i paid 324

i just want to test the orange 2.0s mostly

i can get jades faster from gatteron anyways @untold wigeon

[untold wigeon]

you could've just waited a bit longer for them to show up

[untold wigeon]

that will not ship before march

[void hollow]

please drop sound test on the takka 60 pls

[craggy viper]

most my stuff i buy are gbs

[void hollow]

what plate is that though

[craggy viper]

so i just stopped looking at dates

[craggy viper]

CF

[void hollow]

oh another cf plate

u two twinning bruh

[craggy viper]

it was either fr4 cf oralu

[void hollow]

fr4 > cf

[untold wigeon]

i highly doubt there will be a huge difference

with these switches

and with the tray mount too

[void hollow]

true

[untold wigeon]

especially with all of those holes

[void hollow]

LMAO

[craggy viper]

there wont be a dif

its an open case anyways

[void hollow]

typing feel though

[craggy viper]

sides are also open

[void hollow]

fr4 more flexible

[void hollow]

cf will be more stiff imo

[craggy viper]

i shouldve bought this in white

[untold wigeon]

doesnt matter the plate is attached with standoffs to the pcb

[void hollow]

gummy mount :3

[craggy viper]

u dont want a hall eff keeb with a flex plate

[untold wigeon]

even the PC plate is as stiff as the steel in my experience on the wooting

[void hollow]

oh bruh yeah

[untold wigeon]

it wont matter

the differences will be the switches

[craggy viper]

consistency with the stiff plates with hall eff

[void hollow]

but but-

the fr4 plate looks the best

[craggy viper]

it it was a standard mechanical switch flex

[craggy viper]

u wont see it tho

[void hollow]

i see it

i show you

[untold wigeon]

they all get hidden by keycaps and disagreed

[craggy viper]

also i dont care for rgb on

[craggy viper]

so i wont see it still

[void hollow]

HAHAHA

[untold wigeon]

CF looks better

[craggy viper]

^

CF is sexy

[untold wigeon]

also i dont understand

[void hollow]

ill personally spit on your cf

[untold wigeon]

why they bother with flex cuts

[void hollow]

if its on a car i dont mind :3

[untold wigeon]

how abt u spit directly on me

[void hollow]

I KNOW U LOVE IT THATS WHY I DIDNT SAY THAT

[craggy viper]

feels good on standard mech keebs that are gasket mounted

[untold wigeon]

i dislike flex cuts even there

it takes away from the sound

[tawdry tree]

any notice inconsistency with the flex cuts?

[void hollow]

because they make my finger hurt more

[void hollow]

yes

[craggy viper]

im more of a top mount person

[void hollow]

not as much on gummy mount

[untold wigeon]

no but with better switches it might effect sound a bit

KBDfans also had a pom plate but they removed it because it was causing issues with the switches

[tawdry tree]

I mean in actuation and overall performance as the cuts give flex where there shouldn’t be.

[void hollow]

yeah

[craggy viper]

wonder how pp plate would be on a wooting

[untold wigeon]

smkeyboards sells pom plate iirc

[pale aspen]

cf is stiff enough

[tawdry tree]

what’s a pp plate?

[void hollow]

theres still pom plates on aliexpress

[tawdry tree]

🤨

[craggy viper]

polypropylene

[pale aspen]

also usually sound lost/bad sound from flex cut matter more in PCB

in wooting imo not noticeable

[void hollow]

but pc > pom anyways so yeah

[tawdry tree]

is that different from polycarb

[craggy viper]

https://youtu.be/12D0MedH6V8?si=AcJfCuS8Tk-ci8nM

[untold wigeon]

oh

what does that mean

[void hollow]

alu < cf < fr4 > pom > pc

[crimson sky]

do not name it a pp plate when paying on paypal

[untold wigeon]

i will

[craggy viper]

wut

[pale aspen]

what is that scale for

[untold wigeon]

pp also stands for cock

[crimson sky]

will get your paypal acc blocked

[craggy viper]

LMAO

[crimson sky]

also

[void hollow]

LMAO

[craggy viper]

closer to pom

[craggy viper]

lol

[untold wigeon]

shoulda just said bbc

instead of black pp

[craggy viper]

u have a pp plate on the wootin?

[void hollow]

but closer to pom on which side

[crimson sky]

no

I also am not called paul

[craggy viper]

flex

[crimson sky]

got a PP plate in my safa

[void hollow]

so towards fr4

[craggy viper]

its more fexible than pom

[void hollow]

alu < cf < fr4 > pom > pp > pc

[crimson sky]

and got a pom plate ready for my wooting

[crimson sky]

that's cope

[craggy viper]

baller

fr4 kinda mid imo

[void hollow]

yeah its mid

it produces high freq

[tawdry tree]

I want a sound engineer or something to prove/disprove all this shit

[crimson sky]

unironically fav plates atm so far are good alu plates and goot plateless

[tawdry tree]

and not just opinions of people

[crimson sky]

there is not much to disprove

[tawdry tree]

but with actual facts behind it

[craggy viper]

alu is nice

[crimson sky]

in the end it comes down to preference

[untold wigeon]

ask your mom

[craggy viper]

its just personal preference with sound

[crimson sky]

also plate material alone is not all

[tawdry tree]

preference is based on facts, how one plate performs to another but humans are bad overall

[crimson sky]

a "good" plate design also needs a good case design etc

to sound good

[void hollow]

plate material is followed by material density and it's stiffness x flexibility, im sure there's more factors that follow after the ones ive listed

[craggy viper]

and good switches also

[crimson sky]

aka cherry mx blacks

[craggy viper]

broken in mx blacks

[crimson sky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFH5N4nvlG4

idb is so fucking good

[tawdry tree]

That’s my point, what a material does to sound profile is fact not preference. What sound profile you like most is preference.

[void hollow]

yeah indeed

[crimson sky]

oh

well even then

case still plays a big role

[void hollow]

but if you want the very end of the spectrums its easier to reccomend one

[tawdry tree]

just talking about plate material rn

[craggy viper]

i think imma use a pp plate on the wooting cant go wrong right?

[crimson sky]

yea but looking at it in a vacuum never tells the full story

[crimson sky]

could be too flexy

[void hollow]

case comes together with case foam so yeah, in the end there are two parts to sound ina keyboard

[craggy viper]

thats mostly what im worried about

[crimson sky]

ik from someone at another company that they had issues with EVA foam for plate foam

[tawdry tree]

ofc not but the only way to test what a material does in in a controlled environment

[crimson sky]

since it affected the sensor readout

[void hollow]

keycaps-switches-plate-pcb foam-switchpads-pcb

case foam-case

[craggy viper]

i might need to use silicone over foam if i do tho

[crimson sky]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15XmznA5T9d4PkfBG0TDS82ou6ihBh0oqr8Aux24SNz0/edit#gid=805940844

[crimson sky]

idk I will just dodge sound dampening entirely

[craggy viper]

just to reduce the flex mostly

[void hollow]

depending on what case you're on i guess

case pinging isnt nice imo

[crimson sky]

yea but they are using a plastic plate

already not likely to ping

[void hollow]

ah yeah

[craggy viper]

it should only cost me $40 to get a pp plate

custom made

[crimson sky]

about what I paid for my pom plate

(now if only I didn't mess it up)

[craggy viper]

then i can put that in a alumaze and hope it will sound good with no foam

[void hollow]

40 dollars on a plate

[crimson sky]

ye custom cut oneoffs are expensive

[void hollow]

while me, 47 sgd on orings

[craggy viper]

customs are always expensive

and pom/pp are the best platic ones

[void hollow]

just have fun with your pom plates

[crimson sky]

just fyi

[void hollow]

i want one but people keep warning against it, even those selling it

[crimson sky]

lol

yea if it doesn't work I will prob go alu

[void hollow]

aka kbdfans

i messaged the support asked them why they discontinued the pom plate

they gave the tom dick harry answer so i just had to accept it

[bronze grove]

POM was too flexible for HE iirc. It would move so much that the sensors would go out of sync.

[pale aspen]

did anyone measure wootng pc platee thickness?

[void hollow]

yeap correct, that was their response, fairly understandable though

[crimson sky]

will be 1.5mm

[pale aspen]

because even kbdfans canceld POM because too flexy

[void hollow]

i mean beyond those grounds own experimentation will be on your own risk and costs so yeah

[pale aspen]

one question,if you order alu
shop will send in raw or ano black?

[crimson sky]

depends on the shop

I doubt they would just ano it black

[pale aspen]

usually the shop i use i need to pay $3 for black

i see

[untold wigeon]

thats a shame

[craggy viper]

oh thats not bad a tofu redux kit is only 89usd

[untold wigeon]

try 130 before china taxes

[craggy viper]

from kbd fans?

[untold wigeon]

yah

[craggy viper]

they havent taxed me yet

[untold wigeon]

right i forgot the order needs to be above 150 for taxes

[craggy viper]

but i do pay for the nicer dhl shipping option

[untold wigeon]

but you will pay VAT

kbd ships with fedex iirc

[craggy viper]

im from usa i dont pay vat

[craggy viper]

they always shipped dhl to me (usa_

[untold wigeon]

i am in EU and they shipped with fedex

wooting ships with DHL in the eu

[craggy viper]

ah but i do pay 10.25% for state tax though @untold wigeon

[untold wigeon]

on my end its 20%

but VAT

[craggy viper]

wait i couldve bought a prebuilt holy60

fml

that wouldve made life much easier

[untold wigeon]

you didnt buy the prebuilt?

[craggy viper]

nah i bought the kit

[untold wigeon]

theres a prebuilt and a kit?

[craggy viper]

i uusually diy

[untold wigeon]

i mean its just 5 screws

[craggy viper]

https://kbdfans.com/collections/holy60/products/holy60

yeah

[craggy viper]

but i couldve been lazy and just slapped on my own keycaps

https://kbdfans.com/collections/holy60/products/ready-to-use-holy60-keyboard

its only $10 more for them to do it for me @untold wigeon

[untold wigeon]

hmm

[tawdry tree]

It’s enjoyable to build it tho

[craggy viper]

id pay the $10 to be lazy

[untold wigeon]

interesting

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/complex-lego-gif-22919010

[craggy viper]

yeah but im always super busy and its less enjoyable bc no soldering

[untold wigeon]

the module+also the bullshit and the long pole stabs gets around 450 for me

this is with keycaps too and would be quite a bit cheaper

[craggy viper]

yeah but i got gb keycaps i want to use

[untold wigeon]

without keycaps

i already have pbtfans keycaps

this also has this

hmm interesting decision

[austere creek]

i just make keycaps out of play doh

[craggy viper]

im using these keycaps

[untold wigeon]

nice

[craggy viper]

sheesh and resin?

[untold wigeon]

honestly i'd cancel my module for this if it didn't come out in march

[austere creek]

do i look like richy rich?

[craggy viper]

yes

[austere creek]

pure play doh

maybe some water to thin it out

[untold wigeon]

@craggy viper thanks for telling me abt this ready to use kit

its quite an interesting proposition

[craggy viper]

im sad i couldve been lazy

[untold wigeon]

tho i already own a tofu 60 redux

[craggy viper]

but decided to not be

[untold wigeon]

i'd have to unscrew it and put it in my tofu too

decisions decisions

[craggy viper]

wait i can buy 2 gmk keycaps sets from novel key and get 1 free

what a deal

[untold wigeon]

do i get the already well established and 100% product that ships in like a week or do i go for the product that is a limited run and ships out in 3 months

[craggy viper]

spend 300 to get 150 for free

[craggy viper]

both

one to wait for and 1 to use right away

[untold wigeon]

i already have the og 60 he in the tofu but i wanted the stabs and the jades for the module

i ordered the module and the jades

now im thinking maybe i get this

instead

but it'd waste a case

[craggy viper]

whats dif about the module

[untold wigeon]

the stabs

they are pcb mounted

[craggy viper]

ah

[untold wigeon]

i'd love it if they just sold the pcb and plate by itself with switches

i dont want to waste another case

i already have the alumaze and tofu

[craggy viper]

i forget is the og plate mounted stabs @untold wigeon

[untold wigeon]

tho last time i ordered for 300 bucks on kbdfans i ended up paying 500 thanks to vat customs and other fees

[untold wigeon]

yeah

they are mostly ok

[craggy viper]

always pay for the more expensive shipping option

[untold wigeon]

i have no option for that

it did come in 5 days last time

[craggy viper]

oh plate mounted stabs are fine to me bc TX stabs go brrr

[untold wigeon]

do we have any info

on this rakka or takka

w/e its called

[craggy viper]

all i know is its 8khz and hall effect

[pale aspen]

this is normal for EU isnt it?

[bronze grove]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-go-pokemongo-rat-rattata-gif-5727397

[craggy viper]

only if u get taxed and inspected

[untold wigeon]

i do not trust that this software will work properly

[craggy viper]

it might or might not who knows its too early to tell

[crimson sky]

but we don't know if it is 8khz scanning

[pale aspen]

chinese guy review

[untold wigeon]

ye i think i'm not gonna beta test this

surface data?

[pale aspen]

表面数据 in this context just refers to rakka HE pcb's RT/actuation point accuracy, ie. advertised 0.1mm actuation point really is 0.1mm whereas wooting's might be 0.2mm

[austere creek]

thats my question exactly

[pale aspen]

i asked native speaker to translate

[untold wigeon]

the wooting module with pcb mounted stabs and jades will sound 1:1 to this rakka

[pale aspen]

this is translation

[austere creek]

exactly what we are rectifying with the latest stable release

[pale aspen]

last settence was example

[untold wigeon]

interesting

[crimson sky]

do we know that MCU it uses?

[untold wigeon]

"reputation and stability"

that is an interesting one

[pale aspen]

"reputation for chinese mean easier to resell lol

[untold wigeon]

stability is the concerning one

[pale aspen]

sadly, my zfrontier cant comment on his post

thuse asking him is not possible

[craggy viper]

ill take the risk tbh

im interested

[untold wigeon]

i mean i'd mainly want it over the module for the split right shift

as i heavily dislike the big right shift

i just use it for up arrow

[pale aspen]

split right shift look ugly on 6.25u bottom tho

if it was 7u

[untold wigeon]

nah its fine

[craggy viper]

https://rakka.dev/docs/products/60-diy-kit.html this is all we know

[pale aspen]

iam all in

[untold wigeon]

ye i think im good on this one

im not dealing with taobao

[craggy viper]

its what the holy60 comes with...

[untold wigeon]

i know

but im not dealing with taobao

right they also have a 64% layout

[craggy viper]

almost all the nice stuff come from china @untold wigeon

[untold wigeon]

of course

[pale aspen]

i posted this like a week ago lol

[craggy viper]

im using the 64 layout

thats how im going to set it up bc i like the arrow keys

[untold wigeon]

you can do that on the one from kbdfans too rightr?

[pale aspen]

0.25u shift-ed doesnt my typing lol

no

[craggy viper]

thats the same pcb....

[pale aspen]

i asked no plan for h64

[untold wigeon]

thats how i have mine setup

[pale aspen]

but that is customer support said

[untold wigeon]

thought they'd have 2 pcbs

hmm

[craggy viper]

same pcb

[untold wigeon]

i mean this is a pretty big deal

ngl

but man that price

[craggy viper]

just change how its config in software

[pale aspen]

https://www.zfrontier.com/app/flow/lmokOA77EBnY

[untold wigeon]

and waiting so long for it

[pale aspen]

6 days ago

[craggy viper]

thast bc u want the holy60

[pale aspen]

they open gb for whole keyboard lol

i just noticed

[untold wigeon]

i meant more like in taxes

the price on kbdfans is fine

obvs im gonna with the holy60, im not buying another tofu redux

[pale aspen]

https://shop.rakka.cn/products/rakka-60

pricey tho

[untold wigeon]

do they really not have english

for that damn site

[bronze grove]

dot.cn

[craggy viper]

.cn dif

[pale aspen]

ust use translate bar

[untold wigeon]

right

[crimson sky]

nope

[untold wigeon]

ye its quite pricey

[untold wigeon]

i do not use chrome

[crimson sky]

they expect you to use an agent and taobao

[untold wigeon]

nah im good

[pale aspen]

KBDfans is dealer for you

[craggy viper]

best dealer imo

[crimson sky]

just fyi, if they have it on aliexpress buy it via aliexpress

[pale aspen]

yep that too

for non asian country

please use ali

asian use taobao

[craggy viper]

i use alibaba for buisness orders and aliexpress for non buisness orders

[untold wigeon]

@craggy viper

u wont be able to do the 64% layout with the stock plate

[pale aspen]

$235 usd for Shaft body:
60% alu 6063 CNC case in black/sliver/white
H60/H64 PCB
FR4 Plate
3 foams
keycap set

not bad

[tawdry tree]

only right shift split

[craggy viper]

im not using stock plate tho

[untold wigeon]

ah

[quick gulch]

Split bs

Damn

[untold wigeon]

split is not bs

there is no fucking reason to have a huge ass right shift

[quick gulch]

?

I mean split backspace bro

[craggy viper]

i ordered the cf plate for the normal layout but when im not lazy ill have the custom plate for it

and i can get the plate design from rakka

[untold wigeon]

i would be curious for a holy 60 sound test

would pair nicely with white ceramic caps

[quick gulch]

Split right shift is fine, don’t really look nice on 7u or any layout really. It’s nice to have on 7u that’s the only time I’d use it but you can argue using l-win for that

Anyway different layout options goated honestly

Now just need someone to give stepped caps too

[craggy viper]

btw takka60 is kbd fans exclusive rakka60 is a dif board

[untold wigeon]

oh

[quick gulch]

Ye

I think they just use the same pcb or smth right?

[untold wigeon]

im curious if the alu plate from the takka kit works on the 60he if all the standoffs are in the right position

[quick gulch]

Yea looks like it

They aren’t the same stand offs

I don’t think

[untold wigeon]

it also blocks the spacebar rgb

[quick gulch]

Yea not the same

[untold wigeon]

now what is that

[quick gulch]

It’s just a frog plate

[crimson sky]

🐸

[pale aspen]

tad poleeee

[crimson sky]

what material are you going for

[quick gulch]

Ah I’ve got an alu plate

Probably wouldn’t go for anything else

Alu da goat material imo

[untold wigeon]

i'd go for CF

[crimson sky]

yea i'll see if I have issues with POM

[craggy viper]

wooting plate

[crimson sky]

then would prob go alu

[quick gulch]

I made a Pom plate

[pale aspen]

Tad reads like "clitoris" in my language lmao

[crimson sky]

tho not sure where I can source a decent material alu plate

[quick gulch]

I had issues with switch tolerance

[untold wigeon]

this doesnt show standoff locations

[crimson sky]

they fit fine in mine

[quick gulch]

The picture I sent shows standoffs

[untold wigeon]

i know

i meant his doesnt

[untold wigeon]

this is a better comparison

[quick gulch]

Ah nice

[craggy viper]

lmk before i make a pp plate

[craggy viper]

thats the official pc plate from wooting btw

[quick gulch]

Yea I think I didn’t ask for the right tolerance

[untold wigeon]

ik what it is, i have 2 of them

[quick gulch]

But it was way too flexy honestly

[crimson sky]

got 14mm switch holes

and got it cut at snijlab

fits perfect

[quick gulch]

Ah yea makes sense

[crimson sky]

(technically 14.001mm)

[quick gulch]

I got one cut locally, last time I do that

[crimson sky]

snijlab is pretty local to me

[quick gulch]

Got my alu plate on taobao and it’s perfect

[craggy viper]

china dif

[crimson sky]

which alu

[craggy viper]

u can get it cheaper and better

[pale aspen]

what shop? please give me link

[quick gulch]

Yea there’s just no reason for me to order from anywhere but China

[pale aspen]

current shop always reply like 2 days late for me

[quick gulch]

6063

[crimson sky]

💀

yea i'd want 5-series

[craggy viper]

i made a custom glass pad from alibaba for 30 usd each compared to buying from pulsar for 90 usd

[quick gulch]

【淘宝】https://m.tb.cn/h.5LdV3eT?tk=Wk9jW6M0JpW CZ0001 「氧化铝板 标牌铝板 喷砂拉丝阳极氧化 彩色铝板 铝面板加工定制」
点击链接直接打开 或者 淘宝搜索直接打开

[craggy viper]

and i used their distro btw

[crimson sky]

laserboost does 5754

dunno if that is good

[quick gulch]

The guys really good @pale aspen

Helped a lot and I don’t speak any Chinese just used translate

[pale aspen]

what difference? i saw geon also use 5 series

[crimson sky]

it's softer

[pale aspen]

are u from SG?

i assume

[quick gulch]

^ softer

From au

[crimson sky]

basically any decent custom keyboard alu plate is 5-series

[quick gulch]

Yea it’s crazy huh

[pale aspen]

did he do CF plate?

[crimson sky]

geon?

[quick gulch]

Yea plates usually end up softer 6063 is for cases

[craggy viper]

i skipped soo many steps lol

[pale aspen]

i cut alu and cf usually

[quick gulch]

But idc much honestly

[crimson sky]

I think the closest thing geon made was the laminated frog plate

[quick gulch]

Idk if they’ll cut cf but you can ask

[crimson sky]

ah actually

[pale aspen]

listing descrption said 5052 hmmm

whatever

i will try

[crimson sky]

glare 65 had CF plates

[quick gulch]

I think geon sells a plate

Oh you mean cf

[crimson sky]

korea only

[quick gulch]

Ye

[crimson sky]

if you mean his wooting plate

[quick gulch]

I actually might get anger material cut

Since I have a module coming

[crimson sky]

anger material

[quick gulch]

Another

[craggy viper]

i need to pick uptx plate mounted stabs for my wootin

[quick gulch]

Yea good luck

[craggy viper]

i have extra wires so i dont need to worry about the space bar

[craggy viper]

also the tx ap long poles are in stock at divinikeys atm

[craggy viper]

https://divinikey.com/collections/keyboard-stabilizers/products/tx-ap-long-pole-plate-mount-stabilizers?variant=40481121534017 no need for luck

https://divinikey.com/products/tx-ap-plate-mount-stabilizers

i forget if i need long poles or normal for the wooting though

[quick gulch]

Yea but it’s like $70 aud

I’ll wait for a local vendor

Normal is fine

[craggy viper]

its $13 for me

[quick gulch]

Since the pole is short

Or non existent actually

Hehe

[craggy viper]

thats normal in au

[quick gulch]

What is?

[silver pecan]

For the tx ap, I don’t get long pole right? If I’m getting gateron jades

[quick gulch]

Okay it doesn’t actually really matter ya

[glacial wind]

you get long pole

[quick gulch]

But I think you’ll want long pole for the jades

[silver pecan]

Shittt I alr ordered them without long pole

[quick gulch]

It doesn’t matter bro

Don’t stress

[silver pecan]

What’s the difference

[glacial wind]

eh it might be fine, not everyone has the long pole keycap issue

long pole just guarantees you won't

[fierce void]

tf you doing here

ayo ima buy that tx ap non long pole for my wooting

[untold wigeon]

@fierce void tf u doing here

[tawdry tree]

You don’t need long poles, you just need to make sure the stabilizer stems are up in the keycap and not half way out. Ofc without longpoles u might have a tiny bit more wobble but shouldn’t be a problem.

[untold wigeon]

i hate wobble

i tested it with a longpole switch i have and it can be quite annoying

[tawdry tree]

I mean

[untold wigeon]

whether or not you notice it normally is another thing

[fierce void]

My jades come in soon. I cancled my raptors

[untold wigeon]

i have ruined myself and did a side by side

[tawdry tree]

It’s a really minor wobble I’d say

[fierce void]

[untold wigeon]

good boy

[tawdry tree]

Does the rakka pcb have support for 64%

[untold wigeon]

ye

[fierce void]

https://youtube.com/shorts/XqOH3ITmBow?si=I0QnU2Rmv2pJvAJt

why does the jade sound better

[tawdry tree]

The jades are closed

at the bottom

so they sound more like a classic non HE switch

[untold wigeon]

and the tolerances are much better

[craggy viper]

wym why am i in here i have a stock wooting with jades on it

jades were also design for sound profile

gatteron sent me mine in this nice container

not sure how to get the traditional boxes tho

@untold wigeon

[fierce void]

where did you buy it from?

[craggy viper]

gatteron

paid extra for shipping

[fierce void]

Ok thats where I ordered mine from

[untold wigeon]

thats nice

[craggy viper]

$20 shipping and got it today and i ordered it on friday

we dont include weekends and monday and its pretty fast

[bronze grove]

That container sure looks familiar.

[craggy viper]

i love gatteron

they got soo many good switch options

[fierce void]

share your sound test here @eternal furnace

[untold wigeon]

wrong guy

[craggy viper]

I would post my sound test if it wasn't scuffed

[untold wigeon]

same

i feel ya

[craggy viper]

It's super scuffed but the stock wooting with jades sound soo good

[thorny isle]

are the L45s or L60s better? probably subjective ik but im unsure what to get

[loud zephyr]

is that with the steel plate also, I think I wanna try it with the Jadddes

[craggy viper]

Do u want to hear it

It's scuffed

[loud zephyr]

Nah, it's cool thanks. I'll pull my keyboard apart tomorrow for the 69th time

[craggy viper]

Extra scuffed but here

[loud zephyr]

I like it!

[craggy viper]

Jades are too goated

[loud zephyr]

Yah mine arrived yesterday, very niceee

[craggy viper]

I didn't think it'll make the stock wooting sound like a whole new keeb

[craggy viper]

I'm not a fan of either tbh

[thorny isle]

which magnetic switch do u prefer?

[craggy viper]

Ez answer gatteron jades

I just posted a scuffed sound test with them

[loud zephyr]

L45's will be less fatiguing for gaming but really depends how heavy handed you are, L60's might be fine too

[craggy viper]

Thankfully the jades are 30+-7gf

[thorny isle]

oo ok ill see if i can find some

[loud zephyr]

Coming from L50 springs I was worried the Jades might be too light, but so far so good

[thorny isle]

thanks

[craggy viper]

Gatterons website

[craggy viper]

U get used to it I normally use 68g springs

[thorny isle]

sweet ty

[craggy viper]

On holy panda

[craggy viper]

The cheaper shipping us usps and the more expensive one is dhl

[loud zephyr]

Oh yeah, I'm a based MX Black enjoyer for typing duties

[craggy viper]

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-magic-jade-switch?VariantsId=10767

[craggy viper]

Hyperglides?

[loud zephyr]

Just the standard as well as Nixies on another keyboard

[thorny isle]

ooo okok

[craggy viper]

Sheesh

[craggy viper]

I'm just a gatteron enjoyer my main keeb suisei 65 is on holy panda Xs

[loud zephyr]

Nice there's a lot of good switches out there but I'm probably behind 6 months with the latest and greatest

[craggy viper]

I'm a tactile enjoyer

[loud zephyr]

[craggy viper]

Kangys or pandas for me

[tawdry tree]

I don’t get why no one has made tactile HE switches yet. They could just state the recommended actuation point and there you go.

[bronze grove]

Mostly because it would counteract any benefits from an adjustable actuation.

[loud zephyr]

I drink MX Browns for breakfast https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984799440072220692/1167961783978426498/IMG_0618.JPG?ex=65a316ac&is=6590a1ac&hm=4732ee73c2eea8fe89d54fbe7c5146fb16b1c8d2195f11bbb7ceb095befa23b2&

[craggy viper]

^

[untold wigeon]

nixes after spring swap are pretty crazy from what i've seen

[craggy viper]

Eek

[craggy viper]

What's the purpose of hall effect if u got that

[loud zephyr]

I keep hearing Cherry MX switches should be spring swapped, I haven't tried it yet, too much effort

[craggy viper]

I want my adjustable actuation or I'd be on a traditional mechanical switch

[untold wigeon]

i see

[tawdry tree]

Rapid trigger? DKS, all features that come with HE??

It could be very interesting.

[craggy viper]

But the tactile bump will ruin that feel

[untold wigeon]

u should drop ur entire keyboard collection 😩

[tawdry tree]

As I said, you’d set the actuation point to the bump of the switch.

I’d be cool to see and use.

[craggy viper]

It would be an overcomplicated switch

[untold wigeon]

u wannna be used?

[tawdry tree]

to see and use, “to use” not be used

you bum

[untold wigeon]

the right word

is it'd not i'd

bozo

[tawdry tree]

it’d be less complicated than a regular switch 😂

[untold wigeon]

what

[tawdry tree]

☝️🤓 fk u

😂

[untold wigeon]

no thank u

[fierce void]

I do not want a tactile HE at all

[tawdry tree]

I do

I want clicky too

the most clicky that can be

[fierce void]

I dont even like tactiles on customs

and I despise clicky

the only time Ive liked clicky is when its lubed with 205g0

then its interesting

[tawdry tree]

I want switches so clicky the neighbors get woken up at 5am

[fierce void]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-button-keyboard-press-the-ban-button-gif-16387934

[loud zephyr]

Yerr feels like tactile defeats the purpose of using HE switches (within the gaming context)

[tawdry tree]

I’m joking but I’d actually like tactile HE switches.

[fierce void]

Im def a linear fan boy

theres only one tactile switch I lke

https://divinikey.com/products/c-equalz-x-tkc-dragon-fruit-tactile-switches

god tier tactiles

[tawdry tree]

Not for gaming of course but tactiles are linear before and after the bump so it could really be handy for DKS.

[loud zephyr]

I just want the next gen Lekker switches to look like this car

[tawdry tree]

I want that car as a keycap.

[untold wigeon]

i hope the next gen lekker switch is more like the Jade

[loud zephyr]

start a go fund me and one of those useless sign the petition

[untold wigeon]

im too broke to afford internet to do that

[loud zephyr]

Naah I don't wanna feel a bump just before I kill shrroowwd

[craggy viper]

Ooh I need to get some

@fierce void gatteron gave me free sample switches

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-quinn-tactile-switch-set?VariantsId=10688

this is one of the free samples i got and so far i like how they feel

What clear switch is this it's tactile

[untold wigeon]

nice mousepad art

[quick gulch]

could be a zeal switch?

is it pinkish or actually clear

[craggy viper]

It's a clear box switch from gatteron

[craggy viper]

Custom superglide

[quick gulch]

gateron make the zeal switches

it's a box switch though huh

[craggy viper]

Not box tho

It could be a unreleased switch based on zeal crystal tactile though @quick gulch spring weight is lighter

[quick gulch]

yea could be anything really

[craggy viper]

I wised they gave me more info on the samples

But free is free

[cyan summit]

is the brass weight for the redux60 recommended on a thocky build?

[uncut musk]

um from what i’ve read it’s not completely necessary, but i know a lot people have the brass weight in here so they’ll be able to answer

[sand oasis]

its not 100% needed but worth id say, doesnt affect the sound all that much from what ive heard, i have the weight but havent tried sound test without it

just makes the keyboard feel a lot more premium and depending on your region its not a huge extra cost

[quick gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwIhqjqShvg

[uncut musk]

not sure if that video would be the best example since its a plastic case

[quick gulch]

doesn't matter

The entire point of the weight is this, it's not to make the keyboard heavier.

[void hollow]

it is worth it, just get it

if you allowed me to turn back time, to choose if i wanna get it, ill get it every other time

[onyx pier]

i think the brass weight helps with making it less hollow

[void hollow]

it does

[onyx pier]

yea

currently using it aswell

[void hollow]

some people mentioned that it allows for no foam, and in my opinion, if you used polyfill with it, it sounds amazing

and a brass weight to allow you to use your redux 60he to brick intruders, i could say it works almost as well as pubg's frying pan

[onyx pier]

i have polyfill planning to put it in soon

[void hollow]

i got it from carousell, they sell for like 2 dollar nia

[onyx pier]

also if i am getting gateron jades i need the long pole tx ap stabs?

[void hollow]

if you want better stabs just go for it

[onyx pier]

oh haha thats cheap i got mine from taobao i ordered the least but came in one whole bag haha

[onyx pier]

why do i need long pole stabs tho

for gateron jades

[void hollow]

just see if ur satisfied w ur current stock stabs, or if you wanna go all the way for it ah

idk i just got it since it's one of the most well spoken stabs out in the market, couldn't harm to try it out

anyways i ordered mine from qwertyqop, and they havent arrived lol, i ordered on the 20th december and their courier is qxpress

[onyx pier]

i think shopee would have been faster ah ngl

[void hollow]

and, just careful when shopping for tx ap stabs on shopee or lazada, some of the description they getting you

[onyx pier]

yea i know i think the one i am looking at should be the newer one

ap stabs

[void hollow]

i saw some ap being sold as rev 3

[onyx pier]

let me link it

https://shp.ee/vku1b2t

[void hollow]

and i couldnt tell the difference between rev 3 and rev 4 packaging so fml

[onyx pier]

i am getting the module so i will need the tx clip in

[void hollow]

not the screw in?

[onyx pier]

no clips in will enable you to do gummy o ring

[agile grove]

tx ap are clip in default, the screw in ones are specified

[onyx pier]

only for the space bar and back space

[void hollow]

fk sia i didnt know abt that

[onyx pier]

you ordered scew in?

[void hollow]

i just got the base kit

so shld be clipins

[onyx pier]

you can try to refund

or maybe sell it

[agile grove]

might as well do all stabs imo, tx ap stabs are goated

[void hollow]

u making my singlish come out @-@

[onyx pier]

will try it when it comes

[onyx pier]

HAHAHA

[agile grove]

do you have a module or stock 60he?

[void hollow]

my module is arriving

[agile grove]

gotcha

thats what I meant yea

same, these delays hurt 😔

[void hollow]

wait so i can mix clipins and screwins?

[onyx pier]

so fast meh?

[onyx pier]

yes of course

[void hollow]

idk sia earliest they say jan 22

[agile grove]

yeah if you wanted to

[onyx pier]

accept my friend request i wanna ask about the gummy o ring u bought

[void hollow]

but shag sia, i wanna remove the l45, see if support can help anot

sure

[untold wigeon]

[pallid echo]

keycaps will be the death of my wallet

[void hollow]

it will be when you wear them out

or ill personally come to your house with a blade and mark one of them

[pallid echo]

LOL

[void hollow]

and that will be the start of your madness

the mark on the u is driving me mad already

[pallid echo]

oh damn

[void hollow]

and yeah i know the fr4 plate looks beautiful

[pallid echo]

time to go color match and paint that tiny spot

if that would work

[void hollow]

im not painting that

im gonna get support to fix my madness

[pallid echo]

i think they got u

[normal schooner]

@craggy viper beep beep beep

[void hollow]

they asked me to try to wipe it but it doesnt work

[true pulsar]

Hey I have a question about the 60HE+ Module/the lekker 45 switches. They are compatible with cherry profile keycaps in the north facing configuration right? I just ordered one so it's the newest version if that's relevant. The keycaps that i ordered are the cement grey pbts from kbdfans and i bought the tofu redux case. Very original i know hehe

[bronze grove]

Yes.

[true pulsar]

Nice, thanks for the quick answer 👍🏻

[void hollow]

why

[normal schooner]

[void hollow]

WHY :(

[normal schooner]

[void hollow]

WHY :<

IM HAPPY

[void hollow]

thank you!

i have never been more curious than ever to see one keycap be delivered all the way from the US to SEA

[native shuttle]

Anyone know if the Magnetic Jade gateron switches work with the HE60+ module?

[sweet cedar]

wait if im getting jades which tx stabs should i get

normal or long pole

[glacial wind]

Long pole

[sweet cedar]

whats the difference

[glacial wind]

You don’t specifically need tx long pole stabs unless you have issues though