🔧│keyboard_modding

[untold wigeon]

good

[tawdry tree]

Are you?

[untold wigeon]

yes i am

[tawdry tree]

Okay

Do you think

[untold wigeon]

computer science major right here bitch

[tawdry tree]

it is possible

Yes good

[untold wigeon]

for u to get women?

no

[tawdry tree]

then u can answer

stfu

[untold wigeon]

LMAO

[tawdry tree]

is it

possible to

hm

[untold wigeon]

are u autistic

[tawdry tree]

update firmware so the ks-37b switches work with wooting?

or are he sensors

bricked into

[untold wigeon]

do they even fit in the plate

[tawdry tree]

yes

but

the magnetic

is off

[untold wigeon]

i mean ask Calder or smth

shit

[tawdry tree]

no

you are smart

[untold wigeon]

why

LMAO

[tawdry tree]

answer me

noob

[untold wigeon]

fuck off 💀

stop hatin

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/sadge-cliff-sad-saaadge-gif-18209034

[untold wigeon]

💀

[tawdry tree]

also

if i pit

put

[untold wigeon]

also that was a lie

[tawdry tree]

ks-37b in my wooting he

[untold wigeon]

does it look like i have ks 37b's

[tawdry tree]

i told u noob

[tawdry tree]

no but

would my wooting break?

or would it just not work?

[untold wigeon]

u can afford to break it anyways, u have a module coming

[tawdry tree]

how do he sensors function?

[tawdry tree]

I don’t want to break it

[untold wigeon]

how tf would i know, if gateron says no then no

[tawdry tree]

man

[tawdry tree]

GATERON SAID YES

lolers

[untold wigeon]

for KS37B?

or KS20U

[tawdry tree]

YES

no

I asked

can I use atk68 switch in my wooting

[untold wigeon]

im pretty sure KS37 do not work on the wooting but idk all these names

[tawdry tree]

“This magnetic switch can used on the keyboard which fit KS-20 magnetic switch”

[untold wigeon]

these names are retarded

[tawdry tree]

yes

[untold wigeon]

they need to get a fucking grip

[tawdry tree]

to a point where even gateron is confused

[untold wigeon]

like wtf is this

[tawdry tree]

When I get them

I’m just gonna send it

prob wont work

we’ll see

maybe -1 keyboard

[untold wigeon]

KS20 Orange, KS20 White, KS20U Orange, KS20U White(now they call it 2.0), KS37/KS37B(whatever the fuck this dogshit is) and Jades

lik wtf is going on

[tawdry tree]

.

They should keep it as KS-20u

and KS-37B

[untold wigeon]

what the fuck does the U stand for

it makes no sense

wtf does KS and 20 stand for too

[tawdry tree]

K switch

[untold wigeon]

what is that

[tawdry tree]

no just a guess

K = idk
S = switch maybe?

[untold wigeon]

why did they not atleast start from 1

KS-1

or smth

[tawdry tree]

20 is the randomly generated number they gave it

[tawdry tree]

ks-1 exist tho right?

[untold wigeon]

i dont know bruh

could've have made something like

MS-1

Magnetic Switch 1

super easy

[shell geode]

There is a KS-1

[untold wigeon]

and what is that

is it pin or he?

[tawdry tree]

“Gateron KS-3-X1” LMFAO

[shell geode]

I agree with you though, the naming could be more refined

[untold wigeon]

wtf is that

[tawdry tree]

i dont fuckin know

a switch

lol

[shell geode]

If there are switches that have names like cherry boba avocado tangerine pineapple banana split sundaes, could just lean into that and go hard

[untold wigeon]

why does everything need to be so complicated

im good at remembering shit names but even I can't keep track of this dogshit

ok i'll stop before i say words that get me banned

[tawdry tree]

I don’t understand why you can’t use any switch with any magnetic force?

[quiet bay]

Lekker Limes (L60s) and Lekker Lemons (L45s) when

[shell geode]

Yeah, like that!

[fluid ravine]

I just wrote an explaination for 10 minutes and i deleted on accident

i wanna kms

in game in game

FDSJHOFJDSKAJFKSDALFJDSA

GN EVERYONE

HAPPY NEW YEARS

[shell geode]

It's Gateron that have made things confusing, not Wooting

@fluid ravine Happy New Years!

[shell geode]

And Lekkers with a longer stem pole and reduced travel less than 4mm should be called Lightning Lekkers

[sullen salmon]

yall like

18 hours late

australia just better ig

[shell geode]

How's 2024 going for you? 18 hours in and all

[sullen salmon]

pretty shit

just like 2023

na its alright

[shell geode]

I see. Dang, not looking forward to 2024 already

[thorny isle]

does the case compatibility list for the 60he on wootings website have the only cases that would work or is there others that arent listed?

[bronze grove]

Zoom out. It shows a status for each case as a column

[sour blade]

hello sirs
does anyone know if "PC Switch Plate Kit for Wooting 60HE"
Is 1.6mm or 1.2mm thick?
thank you

[weary tree]

Is it for the stabs?

You need the 1.6mm stabs

But thats mainly for screw in stabs. So the 60 he+

[thorny isle]

yeah sorry i meant is that list, the only list of cases that are compatible, or are there more options that arent listed if that makes sense?

because i checked all the ones that were compatible and couldnt find one that i liked and was in my price range

they were either too expensive or i didnt like the design

[sour blade]

yes for stabs, thankyou

[bronze grove]

It is not a complete list.

[thorny isle]

oh what do i need to look for in a case that would make it compatible? i want to get a wooting but im deciding on where i should get the stock or make a custom

[shell geode]

You would need to ensure the case is for 60% layouts, a left side cutout for the USB-C cord connection, and the correct standoff positions for the screws to mount the module into the case, or gummy mount with an o-ring if you don't want to use screws. The case should also not have any design or feature that would potentially make contact with the pcb, like bumps made for adjustable feet. The list is always growing, but it's deeply vetted already. Is there a case in mind that you want to know if it fits, or are you just generally looking for other cases?

[bronze grove]

Additionally you need to make sure nothing pokes up into the PCB and kills it.

Case in point.

[thorny isle]

wow thanks! i dont have a case in mind rn but ill be sure to ask if i find one

[shell geode]

No problem! These cases have been listed for a while now, but I'm sure new cases may pop up this year!

[silver pecan]

are tx ap stabilizers better than durock v2?

[crimson sky]

Yes

[silver pecan]

do i get the 1.6 mm thickness or 1.2

[bronze grove]

1.6 for the module

[silver pecan]

thanks

https://omegakeys.ca/products/ap-stabilizers-kit?variant=43989969862880

can someone pls lmk which ones to get

it says TKL has 7u + 6.25u + 2u*4

do i get that or the long pole?

im getting gateron jades btw ^

[crimson sky]

Buy the TKL

[silver pecan]

for the stabilizer lube, should i just use the one that comes w wooting or get the xht bdz

[crimson sky]

I personally use xht-bdz but i would probably advise against it if you are only gonna do one board

The ones that comes with the wooting lube kit should be fine

Otherwise consider loctite dielectric grease

[glacial wind]

for tx ap be very very sparing on the wire lube

[void hollow]

i just bought the base kit

[grim lava]

peep the keeb

[untold wigeon]

why would you do this

[grim lava]

i was bored

i eliminated all the thock sound in the keyboard but it sounds kinda decent apart from the shit stock stabilizers

[untold wigeon]

i mean i run cherry oem plate mounts on mine and the spacebar even drowned in lube still ticks on the left side and the wire and keycaps are all straight

if you were going to case swap, the module with the pcb mounted stabs is simply superior

[void hollow]

i feel like if you got the innovation, you could put a little more effort to make it more ermm tidy?

[untold wigeon]

bub

[void hollow]

d0c

[untold wigeon]

check ur dms

yes?

[thorny isle]

people who made custom a 60he, what case did u get? what are some good ones?

[idle pier]

yo guys, noob questions here: i'd like to make a custom 60he with the alumaze case, the pcb and the l45 switches. is there anything more i need to buy to make that build functional (apart from keycaps) / pleasant to use? i dont really care about sound, i wont open the switches to lube them or anything else. thanks for your input 😼

[quiet bay]

That’s good enough

[idle pier]

thank you very much

[spare mauve]

do the jades affect the leds in any way compared to the lekker switches? also do you think its worth it getting them over the L45? 🤔

[untold wigeon]

yes it is worth it and i doubt it

[quiet bay]

Since the top housing is transparent it shouldn’t discolor the rgb

[untold wigeon]

its also lighter

[spare mauve]

thanks. is there any chance to get around 85-90 pc without purchasing 2x70?

[gaunt linden]

Does someone have a link for jades

[spare mauve]

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-magic-jade-switch?VariantsId=10767

[halcyon obsidian]

what is the normal travel distance of a stablizer

[idle pier]

is this substantially better than the l45?

[fluid ravine]

happy new years!
Just woke up

[stray tiger]

Maybe for sound (although subject), maybe for feel (although subject), but likely yes for stem shift/shake.

[stray tiger]

Happy New Year and good morning

[fluid ravine]

Happy New Year and good morning to you too!
How was "last night"

[stray tiger]

We had a good time. My daughter had party so about 10 kids your age running around the house and ringing my doorbell at 1am lol

They don't know the doorbell records apparently lol

[fluid ravine]

Damn I didn't know my age would still run around

[fluid ravine]

HAHA

Boommerrsss

[uncut musk]

ding dong ditch at 1 am is something i never did, rarely did it in the afternoon

[pallid echo]

it’s coming together

[quiet bay]

Looking cleannnn

[pallid echo]

thank you thank you

if it turns out well i wanna look into spray painting more peripherals

[cold rivet]

anyone know which one i choose for wooting 6he ofc

[wary pollen]

size is for the foam thickness, and 6.25u is the correct size for the Wooting spacebar

[cold rivet]

thank you

recommend a thickness?

[wary pollen]

3.5mm would be safe even for cherry profile keycaps

[boreal violet]

what is this type of connector for keyboards

like are there advantages to this?

[remote oasis]

it looks cool

[boreal violet]

looks like some sort of QR system

is it literally just looks?

[remote oasis]

durability ig but thats ab it ye

[bronze grove]

It's a quick disconnect.

[hazy tree]

Looks like a gx connector

[halcyon obsidian]

I personally wouldn’t recommend spacebar foam

I would recommend Kilmat

[pallid echo]

update: paint a lil uneven so i have to wait for a bit and sand the messed up spots

[loud socket]

Does anyone know if kbdfans ships to Canada and if there’s any extra duties?

[void hollow]

it did

i remember someone posting a picture of their keyboard with jades and it did lean towards the blue/greenish

[void hollow]

id reccomend not using spacebar foam, you could try out painter's tape as an alternative or, nano tape (2mm)

[willow bronze]

ppl call it aviator cable thingy, if you're a baller you can get a lemo cable aka lightsaber

Sum like dis

[willow bronze]

duties + tax

and yes they do ship internationally

[old swallow]

lightsaber > aviator

[frosty sentinel]

removed the plate foam from the jade switches.. i think i like the sound more

I will a take another video for you gentleman

[sudden heart]

jade sounds more consistent compare to raptor he /w lekker stem 🤔

[gaunt linden]

Are they better?

[sudden heart]

I'd consider them both better than the stock lekkers

can't tell which is better in betweeen

[quiet bay]

I like jades better in sound

[sudden heart]

geon raptor he /w lekker stem

lubed

[sour blade]

^saved

(trying to collect magnet jade and raptor audio)

[fluid ravine]

Hmm

[frosty sentinel]

I think better is a subjective question

I think they sounds better though

[gaunt linden]

Did someone say that raptors with lekkers stems had friction?

[harsh dove]

Yes, myself and Jed did

I also believe Calder said it aswell

[sudden heart]

I got my wooting this nov I only had issue with 1 stem

I think the lekker in newer batches has a more precise moulding

[gaunt linden]

Even with a decent amount of lube?

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[stray tiger]

It's been a busy day for a holiday... Trying to get my streaming off the ground but turns out my audio interface is bad. Wasted like 16 hours troubleshooting the last 2 days. New one won't be here until Fri though.

[normal schooner]

I will be your first sub

[stray tiger]

Then I'll give you a hint. All of the socials here should work - www.thethockfather.com or search for thethockfather on any social platform.

[tawdry tree]

Nice name

[normal schooner]

subbed on the youtube

[tawdry tree]

Oh is that why you asked is it thock or thocc?

🤣

[tawdry tree]

Doesn’t show up for me

Got it nvm

https://youtube.com/@thethockfather?si=jH-V3o4pyT9atPIT

[shell geode]

I have a Baka60, Poseidon PSD60, and Li'l Dragon Box60. The Tofu60 was brought back as the Tofu60 Redux and is a popular choice, you might like that one!

[fluid ravine]

Anything for pops

[stray tiger]

I bought both to be safe haha

[quiet bay]

I am now the 5th sub

[untold wigeon]

wow that keyboard looks really good

[sour blade]

noted thankyou

[untold wigeon]

@sudden heart mind linking me up with those keycaps

[mental salmon]

Now that you mention it, the lubed l60s from my wooting (received it in December) sound “ok”, the think is not all of them came lubed, but I will give it a try with hand lube. Unrelated but the right space bar stab seems to be properly lubed while the left one does not. I may need to buy some dielectric grease to get that improved as well

[sudden heart]

Keychron Double Shot PBT

[untold wigeon]

keychron i was expecting that

[pallid echo]

i didn’t know keychron made keycaps

are they good quality?

[sudden heart]

not much to complain for 40 usd, kinda wears quick while being pbt

[gaunt linden]

Does anyone have a code for gateron?

[pallid echo]

i’ll look into them for cheaper keycaps thank u

i was almost done spray painting my case but accidentally touched it when it was drying

[fluid ravine]

hah
i could never

[pallid echo]

i gotta wait overnight now

[tawdry tree]

Does anyone know if the compatibility with KS-37 switches is caused by a hardware limitation or by firmware?

[fluid ravine]

seems like both

[sudden heart]

different mount and square magnets

[fluid ravine]

yeah both

[young lantern]

where was the news of lekker 2.0 revealed? livestream?

[fluid ravine]

prob livestream ye

OH WAIT

no

didnt read lekker

uh I think Calder said it

[young lantern]

i cant believe i ordered the module with switches almost a month ago and i just now found out about the jades

oh really

[fluid ravine]

i mean we got news/leaks abt it

[young lantern]

i saw up there lekker 2.0s might be like the jades? is it worth it to just wait

[marsh saffron]

Any ETA?

[fluid ravine]

nah

[marsh saffron]

Unfortunate

[young lantern]

yeah but i mean i was just wondering before i built it

[tawdry tree]

Lekker 2.0s will be the Gateron 2.0s KS-20u switches

[fluid ravine]

honestly
since the materials are going to be the same
i would say they should be udpating the dimensions (the size) of the stem and/or top housing

[young lantern]

ooo and how would those be like

[fluid ravine]

maybe dual rail?

[young lantern]

its more about the sound i guess

i dont really hate the sound of lekker but

[lucid swan]

lil tenz

[tawdry tree]

I meant the HE sensor, is it unable to detect a different magnetic force or is it a firmware thing where if updated a broader magnetic force range could be detected and working?

[young lantern]

i see general consensus is people dont so i figured i might as well buy the newer ones that sound nicer in general anyway

[fluid ravine]

if they manage to get the dimensions right, there shouldnt be no stem wobble and a huge improvement in sound (the jades are tech the lekker 2.0 i would say)

[lucid swan]

didn’t know tenz started a rapping carreer

[fluid ravine]

huh? 😭

[lucid swan]

lil tenz

[young lantern]

so lekker 2.0 will be same sound signature you think as the jades? i dont know about the original ks-20 and if they sounded like lekker

[fluid ravine]

i mean the magnet seems different so it shouldnt be compatible with the pcb
and the mold is different

[tawdry tree]

KS-20s are Lekker switches

[fluid ravine]

(the bottom out pole)

[fluid ravine]

yes

[young lantern]

oh i see

so same sound

[fluid ravine]

OHH "lil"

heh

[young lantern]

so grab jades if i want the thock

[tawdry tree]

The KS-20Us are Gateron/Lekker 2.0 switches which will have a different sound and a more smooth experience overall.

[fluid ravine]

if they fix the problems and improve it then yeah
it should sound similar to the jades

[fluid ravine]

i mean i wouldnt say it would be for thock imo

it could but it mostly depends on your config

[young lantern]

so pretty much just wait for the lekker 2.0s huh if itll be similar

well i have

[fluid ravine]

again the main idea in keyboard modding is that not one thing can change the whole sound profile of the board, it must comply multiple things

[tawdry tree]

From what I read a hall effect sensor can detect very broad ranges so I don’t think it’s a hardware limitation more of a firmware limitation.

But idk

[young lantern]

tofu redux + brass, he module (not sure if i want poron or silicone), and gmk zen pond

[sweet cedar]

but if ur going for a thocky wooting build rn ur best bet is the jades

[fluid ravine]

Well it doesnt matter anyways
still not compatible

[tawdry tree]

It could be

😉

[young lantern]

i wouldnt mind the wait tbh i just like the sound profile of the jades but if the lekker 2.0 will sound like them then no problem

[fluid ravine]

The Jades would help you tune your whole board more easier. When it comes to boards like these (talking about the HE switch types) the first focus would be making the board sounding as solid as possible
Then it would be more easier to change/tune your board to sounding however you want it to be

from my take

[sudden heart]

https://kbdfans.com/collections/holy60/products/holy60

[fluid ravine]

if i were to guess
the jades and lekkers would sound similar but the jade's bottom out sound will sound a bit cleaner as it now has a closed bottom out pole

[young lantern]

yes so id use the case foam from the case and also im gonna gummy o ring mount it

[tawdry tree]

Platefoam and or case foam don’t change the sound of the Jades by much.

So tuning isn’t really a thing

😂

[fluid ravine]

thats not what i meant by tuning...

ok nvm

[young lantern]

i saw someone remove theirs they said it sounded better so i was curious 😅

[fluid ravine]

me

[sudden heart]

lekker 2.0 should sound similar to orange 2.0

[fluid ravine]

and

some others

[young lantern]

fuckk so i really should just get these mf jades huh

fuck it

[sudden heart]

you can try out here

[young lantern]

if the new lekkers sound better

[fluid ravine]

well depends
orange 2.0 has dual rail system

[young lantern]

ill just buy them too

[fluid ravine]

lekkers is a maybe

dont know the possibilities

[young lantern]

so tx ap screw in would be fine with these jades right

non long pole

i got these

[fluid ravine]

stabs and switches 2 different things

[sudden heart]

well gateron only have these few molds

[fluid ravine]

if you're buying the module and want to gummy mount it
get clip in stabs like TX AP Clip in stabs

[young lantern]

oh so non screw in?

[sudden heart]

you won't get a thing that is much different from the orange 2.0 or jade I suspect

[fluid ravine]

clip in

the only stabs that work with gummy mount in this case would be plate mount and clip in stabs

[tawdry tree]

wtf

[young lantern]

yep like plate mount

oh shitt so screw in wouldnt work with gummy o ring?

[fluid ravine]

no

[tawdry tree]

You can just cut the o ring

to get clip in stabs as good as screw ins takes so long

[fluid ravine]

cus the housing is too thick making the oring to stick out causing it not to go into the module
which means the module wont fit into the case

[fluid ravine]

then overtime the oring would split

and hopefully smack you in the face

[tawdry tree]

it wouldn’t

[fluid ravine]

well even if it does work
its best to avoid going all the trouble and taking potential risk

[tawdry tree]

clip in stabs when you can use screw ins

is outta this world

bro

[fluid ravine]

english

[tawdry tree]

You can cut the O ring

[fluid ravine]

sorry i dont understand

[tawdry tree]

without any problems

?

[fluid ravine]

?

[tawdry tree]

😂😂

[young lantern]

i guess youre right i saw badseed use clip in too i just assumed that it was screw in i guess i should cancel lmao

[fluid ravine]

lmao

[young lantern]

so just regular rev 4 tx ap

[fluid ravine]

Base kit, 1.6mm

[tawdry tree]

LOL

[young lantern]

life saver

[fluid ravine]

mmm

[young lantern]

i got two wootings anyway

[tawdry tree]

u have the module?

[young lantern]

it wont get wasted i guess lmao

no its otw

i got the original avr one

[fluid ravine]

oh shi

[tawdry tree]

I’m so confused

[fluid ravine]

das crazy

[shrewd hatch]

@terse pagoda how'd u install Ur tx ap stabs? Can't get them to fit in

[fluid ravine]

bro finna get a minor upgrade

[tawdry tree]

You can’t use screw in stabs in the avr one either way

[fluid ravine]

im sorry?

how is it not fitting

[shrewd hatch]

Idk feel like it's too big haha

The clip is going over the plate

[young lantern]

i have 2 modules otw

[fluid ravine]

check dm

[tawdry tree]

You have two modules otw and u have avr 60he

[young lantern]

i have two one for me and one for a friend

yes

[fluid ravine]

W friend

[young lantern]

i want original founders avr kept stock

[tawdry tree]

the module comes with screw in stabs which are fine

[young lantern]

the other is a gift for his birthday

ik

i already bought it so im saying id rather just keep it

[tawdry tree]

don’t swap out the screw in stabs for clip ins

[young lantern]

if i need it for gummy o ring then i mean i dont really mind if i dont like it i could always just do regular burger with screw in

[tawdry tree]

you can buy another set pf screw ins u want want to holee them

[tawdry tree]

the trade of is not even close to with it

just cut the o ring

like i said

[fluid ravine]

Dont...

[tawdry tree]

it’s friction fit between the case and the module itself

i cba

go swap out screw ins for clip ins

[young lantern]

ok ok

so basically every test rn with the jades is with the original wooting so plate mount

correct

[tawdry tree]

not the steel playe

[fluid ravine]

Yes

[tawdry tree]

plate

cam has

[fluid ravine]

PC plate

[young lantern]

yes so how much worse would clip in be vs that

yes i have pc plate

[fluid ravine]

Vs what

[young lantern]

original plate mount

[tawdry tree]

screw ins?

[young lantern]

the original wooting is plate mount no?

[tawdry tree]

wooting 60he v1 has clip in/plate mounted stabs

[fluid ravine]

The thing is it doesn't matter.
If you just tune them correctly you can make them sound as every good stabs. -Tirade

[tawdry tree]

the module has screw ins

[fluid ravine]

Not the exact words but the same idea

[tawdry tree]

I disagree, it takes a while

you need stab foam

[young lantern]

so does o ring mount even matter is the question i guess i know its subjective but

[fluid ravine]

...

Ima just ignore that

[tawdry tree]

It is good

[fluid ravine]

Your choice of mounting style

[young lantern]

i just wanna set it and forget it im tired of always upgrading 😅

[tawdry tree]

?

[young lantern]

like screw in and burger mount vs clip in and out ring mount what config is best would you recommend i guess

[fluid ravine]

For me I'd go clip in and gummy mount

And would speak for a lot others as well

[tawdry tree]

You can do screw ins and gummy, or screw in and burger

[young lantern]

👍 im assuming thats what general consensus is

yes but i wouldnt want to cut the ring

[finite gate]

Screw ins on spacebar and backsoace interfere with the o ring

Cant do that

[tawdry tree]

…

[young lantern]

i see o ring mount is meta rn i guess you could say so clearly everybody is planning on using clip in no?

[tawdry tree]

You need stab foam to get clip ins to sound close to screw ins

[untold wigeon]

you can not do screws in and gummy

[untold wigeon]

the o ring will not fit around the spacebar and backspace

[tawdry tree]

cut the O ring

[untold wigeon]

?

[tawdry tree]

it is friction fit

[untold wigeon]

🤡

[tawdry tree]

against the module and case

😂😂😂😂

You take some scissors

you cut the O ring

[sudden heart]

🤔 why'd you want gummy mod on wooting? rt might won't work well

anyone tested it before?

[tawdry tree]

rt is fine

gummy mount doesn’t put that much force on the switchplate that it increases distance to the he sensors

[young lantern]

badseedtech has a video on it

https://youtube.com/shorts/VEZ7O3GX_j8?si=9UwGYx8n5PK9x_Kn

but other than him im not sure who else has done testing

[fluid ravine]

A handful dozen of us

Me, tirade, Pochizo, cam, bigsly, cajn, etcccccccc

Aint naming all the people lol

[young lantern]

so its all okay correct?

[fluid ravine]

Yep

No problemos

[young lantern]

perfect so i just ordered the clip ins instead lmao

[fluid ravine]

I can find one of my explanation of gummy mounting for this board

Not now tho doing something atm

[fluid ravine]

Ye

[young lantern]

youre fine nw thank you for the help

[fluid ravine]

Base kit, 1.6mm

[tawdry tree]

🤣

[fluid ravine]

Yep

[untold wigeon]

rn im just using the stock tray mount but the tofu is more uneven row to row than the alumaze so i might fuck around with some burger mounting

[tawdry tree]

If you say you can’t cut the O ring you have no clue what the gummy mount actually is

[young lantern]

jades lubed or no?

[tawdry tree]

Yes

[young lantern]

👍

thanks yall

[untold wigeon]

im not saying u cant but why complicate urself when you can just change 2 stabs

[fluid ravine]

You could
Cam said you don't really need to actually, after lubing 3 switches, there no difference he said

[tawdry tree]

You actually would take clip in stabs over screw ins instead of cutting 1 ducking o ring?

Are you okay in the head brother?

[untold wigeon]

probably ye

[young lantern]

i should just change two (backspace and space) instead of all?

[untold wigeon]

ye those are the ones iirc

[fluid ravine]

I mean if you're not wanting to waste money and all that type shi
You can replace all of them if you want

Your choice tbh

[tawdry tree]

I know for a fact u are trolling

[young lantern]

would you replace them all? i mean i could care less

[untold wigeon]

i hope you are

[tawdry tree]

No!

hahahha

[young lantern]

but i mean screw in is better so just whats necessary right

[untold wigeon]

snap ins are pretty good still

[tawdry tree]

You can gummy mount with an O ring cut in 20 pieces, it doesn’t matter. (It’d be nearly impossible to get it in without the 20 pieces falling out but still)

[tawdry tree]

No

[young lantern]

you just replaced the two doc?

[untold wigeon]

i did not do anything as i dont have the module nor a gummy o ring

[fluid ravine]

I would but again your choice lol

[untold wigeon]

what does this have to do with anything

[young lantern]

correction would you replace the two or all*

[tawdry tree]

Aight

[young lantern]

so for you yes

[untold wigeon]

snap ins are the most versatile stabs as they work on literally anything

[fluid ravine]

If I were to have them
I would replace them all

[young lantern]

perfect for my ocd

[fluid ravine]

Yes

Haha

[tawdry tree]

The most versatile yes but great? No absolutely not. They do not compete with screw ins at all, not without a lot of work and stab foam

like I said 8 times already

I am actually triggered

fuck

[untold wigeon]

??

they are good

[tawdry tree]

Not compared to screw ins

[untold wigeon]

ok lets ask your mom

[tawdry tree]

You fuckin know rhis

every one does

[untold wigeon]

ask her

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-triggered-rage-shaking-gif-17789643

[untold wigeon]

🗿

femboy behavior @tawdry tree

[tawdry tree]

You know a random guy came to this discord, asked for help and is now going to replace all his screw in stabs with clip ins instead when he gets his module

I am so fuckin disappointed in this discord

[untold wigeon]

they are fine lmao

[tawdry tree]

unacceptable behavior

[tawdry tree]

they are not

[untold wigeon]

even the unikorn has snap in stabs

they are a huge upgrade over the plate mount ones

you bozo

[tawdry tree]

nothing compared to screw ins

[untold wigeon]

the only thing that compares to screw ins is me screwing your mom in

now stop coping

[tawdry tree]

I lost faith in this discord

entirely

[untold wigeon]

u did not

[tawdry tree]

In you too

I did

[untold wigeon]

ur still here

[tawdry tree]

I have faith in myself

ye

fucker

[untold wigeon]

do u

[tawdry tree]

😂

[untold wigeon]

nah no shot

[tawdry tree]

ofc I do

[untold wigeon]

no hat on a tower real?

[tawdry tree]

fr fr

[untold wigeon]

shit

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-cuh-gif-1589886519847851224

[untold wigeon]

aint no way

[tawdry tree]

I am still triggered

help

[untold wigeon]

go jerk off n cool off then

[sudden heart]

the screw in stabs makes me want to purchase a 60he+ module

[tawdry tree]

yes, you should. And then swap them out with clip ins instead

💯💯💯

[fluid ravine]

Honestly I'm happy with my plate mount stabs
Honestly perfect

[untold wigeon]

mine are all fine except for the spacebar

[tawdry tree]

watafak

[sudden heart]

the stock steel plate doesn't secure the stabs well

[tawdry tree]

I am actually losing it

[tawdry tree]

plate mounted stabs are completely out of the question

it’s clip in vs screw in

[untold wigeon]

u sure?

[tawdry tree]

It is true, do you not have the 60he?

[untold wigeon]

i had the steel plate and they were pretty snug

tried both wooting and cherry oems

[sudden heart]

lmao the plate mount stab legit shakes in the stock steel plate

[untold wigeon]

oh they do shake

[tawdry tree]

for me too

[untold wigeon]

obviously they do

but nowhere near as bad as some other plate mount stabs

[tawdry tree]

what r u on about then

[untold wigeon]

as far as plate mount stabs goes these are about as good as they get

[tawdry tree]

mine were pretty fuckin bad

[untold wigeon]

i had to relube and clip them but after that except for the spacebar tick they sound good

[sudden heart]

I find my solution thou

[tawdry tree]

mine were worse than that, you could twist them a bit

[fluid ravine]

Wtf

[untold wigeon]

i prefer screw ins but these plate mounts are for sure livable with

[fluid ravine]

Ye

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-believe-youve-done-this-punch-ouch-gif-9605268

[untold wigeon]

i mean all my 2u mods have no rattle or ticking at all

[fluid ravine]

[untold wigeon]

sure they arent as snug as pcb mount stabs but they are fine

[tawdry tree]

my space bar and left shift

[sudden heart]

taping the sides of the stabs fixing everything for me

[tawdry tree]

were unbearable

[untold wigeon]

I do use stab foam under mine except for spacebar

[sudden heart]

I am using a thiner stab than the stock one

[fluid ravine]

[untold wigeon]

try cherry oem plates mounts or tx ap plate mounts i had the same issue with the stock ones and that mostly fixed it

they are pretty fucking good for plate mount stabs

[sudden heart]

oh the switch slot of the space key is also very loose

[untold wigeon]

i think you need to see the drop alt or other old plate mount boards to understand how bad these are

plate mounts can get really bad

but cherry oems in the wooting are pretty chill

[sudden heart]

also taped some masking tape on the space key switch

[tawdry tree]

If you use only screw ins you don’t have any issues

[untold wigeon]

the switches have shit tolerances too

[untold wigeon]

obviously you don't

[tawdry tree]

the plate more I think, to account for the paint maybe?

[untold wigeon]

i would not buy plate mount keyboard ever again but snap ins and screw ins are both good

[untold wigeon]

no idea, ig we'll find out when i get my jades and the carbon fiber plate

[tawdry tree]

clip ins are ok, screw ins are great

[untold wigeon]

i use the PC plate and they are pretty snug for plate mount stab standards and were the same in the steel plate

[tawdry tree]

and you know it

[quiet bay]

Plate mount stabs just require more work to be as good as screw in stabs & clip in stabs
There's not really much of a problem if you have no choice but to use plate mount stabs because they're still moddable

[untold wigeon]

that's what i was saying too

wtf are u smoking

[glacial wind]

eh screw ins are just as good as clip ins honestly. Both can be great when tuned well

this idea that one is better than other is silly

[untold wigeon]

i mean the only issue i have with all of my plate mounts is ticking on the very left of the spacebar

[tawdry tree]

A MFER CAME HERE FOR HELP and he is switching out all his screw ins for clip ins now

[quiet bay]

probably an unbalanced wire

[tawdry tree]

am triggered again

[untold wigeon]

for gummy o ring they are fine

[tawdry tree]

I disagree completely

[untold wigeon]

it is fine, i tried 3 set of stabs and 3 keycaps all of them do the same

[tawdry tree]

I disagree from A to Z

[untold wigeon]

i dont think i had that issue in the steel plate

[quiet bay]

hey man you can't be angry if someone else has a different opinion lol
You can't always have a "I'm always right" mindset

[untold wigeon]

i will switch from PC to CF so we'll see then

[glacial wind]

that's great, but I don't see any evidence that screws ins are worse than clip ins beyond one being a tiny bit more finicky to screw in

[tawdry tree]

I don’t but if someone asks for advice.

[glacial wind]

they both function well when installed well and the only difference is the tightness between brands, but that has nothing to do with it being clip or screw

[tawdry tree]

Screw ins are better than clip ins, because of the screw part

[untold wigeon]

if you dont wanna deal with cutting the o ring and shit you need screw ins for backspace and spacebar

i mean clip ins*

this guy is fucking my brain over

[glacial wind]

they're both perfectly fine and tight when installed properly

what are you on about lol

[untold wigeon]

femboy mind

[tawdry tree]

As I said before, to get clip ins as good as screw ins requires more time and stab foam

[glacial wind]

the only tightness difference is in the actual wire tolerances, which isn't even based on the screw or clip in

[tawdry tree]

Not my experience.

[glacial wind]

your experience does not equal the general publics experience

[tawdry tree]

The builds I’ve watched and the sound I like all came from screw ins

[glacial wind]

you realize the sound comes from the tightness of the housing and wire right

not the actual attachment

it's why tx ap has slight differences to say an equally tightly screwed in owlabs stab

[tawdry tree]

This is not about the stabs

[glacial wind]

both will be equally tight but the tx ap housing is a tiny bit looser hence different sound

i've still yet to see any evidence that screw in or clip is magically better. Both come down to if you tune the wire and lube correctly - the screw or clip in just secures it in

[quiet bay]

I mean..did you ever check if they were unbalanced?
it'd be funny if they were all unbalanced

[glacial wind]

if tuned well they both perform well

[tawdry tree]

Obviously a screw holds a tighter fit than clip in

[glacial wind]

yes but both meet the threshold of keeping the stab there tight. In fact you can screw in a screwin stab too tight and mess it up

tighter doesn't automatically mean better. You just need it tight enough to be secured down and not moving

[tawdry tree]

You’d swap out all screw in stabs for clip ins?

[glacial wind]

i wouldn't swap my stab at all if it was fine stock. Regardless of whether it was screw in or clip in

[tawdry tree]

and it’s not about if you screw them in too tight or break clip ins, just about the 1 vs the other

man

[glacial wind]

i don't care about whether it's screw or clip in, as long as it performs well.

for example I have tx ap in one board as clip ins and wuque screw ins in another

neither neccessarily performs better, although sound signature is tad different due to housings being different tightness

the important part is if the wire is straight and if the stab is properly lubed. Once you're at that point I don't care if it's screw or clip in to secure it - what I do care about is how much extra work the wire took to not ping etc.

[tawdry tree]

I care about the stabs staying exactly where I pit them without any movement or sounds. Screw ins do exactly that where as clip ins aren’t as secure.

[glacial wind]

that's not true at all. tx ap secure quite well and don't move

you might be thinking of old clip ins that didn't secure well if that is your experience with clip ins

newer clips ins like the tx ap don't run into that issue

[tawdry tree]

You’d seriously say that they’re as secure as a screw?

[glacial wind]

yes i literally have tested both in multiple boards

do you have tx ap clip ins?

they're very secure once you put the wedge in

[tawdry tree]

I do not

[glacial wind]

for the record i think it's stupid to replace screw ins with clip ins. But I also think it's equally stupid to replace clip ins with screw ins. Neither matters as long as it's a good stab and secures well, which is possible with both modern implementations

[novel yoke]

How important is lubing?

[tawdry tree]

I don’t get how clip ins can be as secure as screw ins, they’d have to work with different pcb thickness

[glacial wind]

modern clip ins have a screw thing that pushed into it after it clips in

that pushed in thing basically secures it down so it doesn't move. And you buy clip ins based on the pcb thickness just like you would other stabs

[glacial wind]

depends how picky you are

if you're enthusiast it's a must because your switches will feel smoother. If you're not someone that notices that stuff that you can skip it

[fluid ravine]

Out of the questions
What would be considered "enthusiast." I'm just wondering

[tawdry tree]

That’s interesting. I’m looking at a vid rn

[glacial wind]

someone who actually cares about the sound/feel of their keyboard

Like I have friends who don't care at all and just want their keyboard to work. There's zero chance they would think lubing for 2-3 hours is worth it

[untold wigeon]

i dont think thats how that works

[fluid ravine]

:0 so am I a enthusiast?

[glacial wind]

well it's a varied definition of course. That's why he asked

[fluid ravine]

Guess cam was right
Had the whole different perspective of enthusiast when it comes to keyboard haha thanks

[untold wigeon]

well it doesn't really matter

[glacial wind]

you have to always keep in mind that just by being in keyboard discords we're already skewing towards enthusiast, but some may not see it that way just because we think it's normal

[fluid ravine]

Alrighty 👍 thx again

[glacial wind]

i always see it like how people who play valorant constantly think they're shit at the game no matter how high ranked they are

vs. compared to the average person a diamond player is actually really good and into the game

[quiet bay]

enthusiast = very interested in a certain activity

or subject

[untold wigeon]

i mean i guess ur right

[glacial wind]

but they put themselves vs. radiant players in their mind and so they don't think they compare

[tawdry tree]

I’d say invested

[untold wigeon]

ur entire soul is split in keyboards

[quiet bay]

ye

[fluid ravine]

Bet

[untold wigeon]

😳

[fluid ravine]

But me without money lel

But sure

[untold wigeon]

i mean im abt to have no money if i get addicted to gmk sets too

[tawdry tree]

Invested I mean as in time or time and money

You can invest your time

[quiet bay]

I think you already are

[glacial wind]

meh if anything having less money you might be more invested

[untold wigeon]

😬

[glacial wind]

a lot of people with the money to get into the hobby just ends up collecting because they don't have time to really play with the toys

[fluid ravine]

Ahhhh

That makes so much more sense when I think abt it

Specifically someone..

[glacial wind]

i have a lot of tech friends who buy and own a ton of keyboards, gadgets etc

but they don't have the time to really enjoy or use them

[untold wigeon]

@tawdry tree you are noob

[tawdry tree]

That? @glacial wind

[tawdry tree]

no u

[glacial wind]

yeah those push in and secure the clip in fairly well

[tawdry tree]

It fills the hole more

I can see that

But as secure as screw in? REALLY?

😅

[glacial wind]

it's good enough. It doesn't move

i think my zoom75 has had clip ins in them in for what like 6 months or however long i've had it and each time I take it apart they haven't moved

i had screw ins before in the same board too, it was also fine

[untold wigeon]

you are noob, me sori

[tawdry tree]

Alright well, I’m gonna stick with screw ins. I think it is ridiculous to recommend someone to replace screw ins with clips ins even tx ap stabs.

[tawdry tree]

tresh plair

fakin nub

useelessss

[untold wigeon]

for gummy o ring it is a cleaner solution

[tawdry tree]

✂️🅾️

[glacial wind]

clip ins do have the advantage of being more user friendly for noobs too. Meletrix had massive issues with beginners not installing their screws in well

[untold wigeon]

thats what i'll do to those little things you call balls

[glacial wind]

people kept screwing in too much or too little and filling meletrix discord with 'my stab keys feel mushy' posts

[tawdry tree]

😂

I could see newbies also forgetting to put the little tiny things in the clip ins

[untold wigeon]

your name is impossible to type

fix it

[glacial wind]

the thing with the push in is it's just push in and done

[tawdry tree]

calders words, not mine

[glacial wind]

it's why a lot of the beginners in the meletrix discord swapped to tx ap

[untold wigeon]

wdym

[glacial wind]

even though i thought it was a bit of a waste of money personally, but whatever works for them

[tawdry tree]

Well whatever works for them I guess

[tawdry tree]

Calder called me anomounys for some reason

in minecraft

It was funny to me

so that’s my name now

😃👍

[untold wigeon]

well its not funny to me

[tawdry tree]

because you are humorless

[untold wigeon]

no shot

[thorny isle]

thanks! i do like the tofu case

[stray tiger]

Lots of stab discussion going on but I agree with sno. Screw-in stabs aren't inherently better sounding, they are just less prone to movement when screwed in. Whether you go with clip-in, plate mount or screw-in stabs, if they fit tight and are properly tuned, you will never notice a difference.

BTW, if you ever do develop a little movement with your plate mount stabs, just add a little tape to the edge of cutout and it'll tighten up great.

[untold wigeon]

yeah i agree with what u said

[stray tiger]

Also, while yes, gummy mounting in the 60HE is friction fit and not true traditional gummy, you're not going to be able to do it with screw-in stabs. I'm not sure what was meant by "just cut the o-ring" but that wouldn't work.

[fluid ravine]

exactly

[untold wigeon]

i mean u'd literally have to glue the o ring if you cut it or smth but that still wouldnt work properly

[fluid ravine]

like wouldnt you literally have to cut the oring 4 times

💀

[untold wigeon]

it is simply better to do things the way they are meant to be done

[stray tiger]

Cutting the o-ring would leave you with some rubber pieces that wouldn't stay put. They would just slide in between the PCB and plate and accomplish nothing.

[untold wigeon]

ye thats what i thought

[fluid ravine]

mhmmm

[stray tiger]

Also, I'm currently aware of 7 different manufacturers making HE magnetic switches so there are a lot more potential options other than Lekker, KS-20 and Jades.

And to change the subject, this is my next buy https://www.keebmonkey.com/products/ic-hw75-keyboard the E-ink display module for showing stuff like system stats is pretty bad ass

[untold wigeon]

thats expensive but quite a look

[fluid ravine]

holy frik

👀

[stray tiger]

It's not a performance keyboard by any means, but it's got a cool factor that people with more money than brains (like me) want to play with

[tawdry tree]

It would, the only part the matters of the O ring is where it fits snuggly between the module and case.

[untold wigeon]

i think u can include me in there too

[tawdry tree]

You can see it as well

The O ring doesn’t create a tight seal all around the module in the case

[stray tiger]

And how do you propose you keep your cut up pieces of rubber in place, both not sliding in too far between the PCB and plate or getting pushed down under the PCB when installing it?

[tawdry tree]

The pcb and switchplate holds the O ring tight

and it is not 20 pieces as I said earlier, that was a joke

You also don’t need to remove the pcb foam or pad

[stray tiger]

If you use an o-ring durometer that's thick enough to not to slide in between the PCB and plate with a little pressure, you're likely not going to be able to install it in the case. There is very little tolerance between the o-ring and the edge of the case when installed. That's why using softer durometer o-rings like 10-20 won't work.

I've probably gummy mounted 5-6 boards and not one have I seen that would work using the scenario you're describing. If you've done it or seen it done, please by all means share a link or post.

[tawdry tree]

It’s about the module, where the screw in stabs cause the O ring not to fit. The friction fit of the O ring doesn’t require it to be under tension. I’ve done an O ring build before but have never cut it.

[polar girder]

A cut o-ring would be useless for me. I’ll pass.

[tawdry tree]

Then you don’t understand what the gummy mount does.

[stray tiger]

I understand your comment, meaning I see what you're envisioning when you say it doesn't need to be under tension. What I think you're missing is that without that tension and being able to wrap around the entire board in one piece, you're not going to be able to mount it and/or have the rubber stay in place.

[polar girder]

I have it

What

[stray tiger]

I guess you could superglue the band in between the edge of the PCB and plate but I wouldn't suggest it.

[tawdry tree]

It O ring sits tightly around the corners with it cut or not, with the module you’d have to cut it for Space and Backspace as it doesn’t fit around their stabs.

[tawdry tree]

Nono nothing with superglue

Not what I mean

[polar girder]

You’re pretending that an o-ring lodges perfectly between the PCB and plate and you can just rub it in line like play-doh or something

Not mine

[tawdry tree]

What I mean is the O ring sits tight in the corners with or without it being cut, that’s what’d hold it in place.

[tawdry tree]

Not even close.

[stray tiger]

OK, since it's clear no one so far is following how you think it's possible to cut your o-ring to avoid it hitting the stab mount points and still work correctly, can you make a video and show me?

[tawdry tree]

When I get my module I’ll show it.

[stray tiger]

I'll add your video to the FAQ as an example of how to do it.

[tawdry tree]

It wouldn’t be there, You’d have 2 pieces of rubber, one from the left of the spacebar’s stabs until the the left of the backspace’s stabs and another from the right of backspace’s stabs until the right of spacebar’s stabs.

[fluid ravine]

gl~

[stray tiger]

I understand what you're thinking, I just want to see how you execute it. I'm pretty confident (damn near 99%) that your two pieces of rubber that are no longer a single band, are going to fall off, get shoved between the PCB and plate, or keep you from installing the module.

Just do me a favor. If you're unsuccessful, come tell us you were wrong and we will all say "it happens, thanks for testing it out" and in return if it works, I'll announce I was wrong and as I said, I'll add your video to the FAQ and give all due credit.

[tawdry tree]

Maybe I’m underestimating how hard it’ll be but I don’t see it being hard at all. It’s 2 pieces. But we’ll see

[tawdry tree]

Of course

[untold wigeon]

this should be interesting

[fluid ravine]

mhm

[stray tiger]

OK now this old man is going to bed.

[untold wigeon]

gn

[fluid ravine]

GN POPSSS

I LOVE YOUUUUUUUUUUU

[tawdry tree]

good night!

[meager pine]

Decided to swap out my wob for serika and it looks so pretty

[untold wigeon]

i am on wob rn too

im looking at gmk 80082 or gmk striker

im on a black case tho

i think u did good @meager pine

[crimson sky]

can someone tell me what screws are used to secure the PCB to the plate?

as in what thread

[bronze grove]

M2x4mm

[crimson sky]

👍

time to correct my fuckup

[bronze grove]

[pale aspen]

you mean the standoff screw?

[crimson sky]

I put 3.5mm diameter holes in my plate

which iirc I just copy pasted from wootings file

[pale aspen]

i hate this kind of situation

had to order specfic screw

[crimson sky]

na

[pale aspen]

i glad that kbdfan plate include the screw

[crimson sky]

I just print myself some parts

that fix my issue

[bronze grove]

We uh... we include screws as well though?

[pale aspen]

it was white tho

[crimson sky]

for a custom plate you need more screws

[bronze grove]

oh the horror

WHITE screw heads

[crimson sky]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-the-misery-oh-the-misery-everybody-wants-to-be-my-enemy-gif-25368312

[pale aspen]

i just want keep stock part

[bronze grove]

Strip the screws from paint?

Can't imagine that taking long if you suspend them in like something like... turpentine?

[pale aspen]

strip the whole screw

[crimson sky]

huh

I might not need a fix

but ig I will print one anyways

[shrewd hatch]

Anyone got some nice keycap recommendations? Either cherry or oem, minimalistic without shine through legend

[glacial wind]

Hrm gateron jades are 3.5mm travel right? I wonder if that means long pole stabs would work well with them

Might have to do some experimenting with some tx ap long poles if these are still the top switch when 80he releases. I remember the sound profile was super different between the long pole stab and regular stab

[tawdry tree]

Jades have a travel distance of 3.5mm instead of 4mm, yes.

[tawdry tree]

Probably not, Jades aren’t the top switch now either, they just have a different sound.

Dual rail Gateron/Lekker 2.0s will release before 80HE comes out (KS-20U).

no need ty

[glacial wind]

mostly depends on if lekker 2 and neo come out by then with their switches

Top switch is always debatable but I’m mostly meaning just general wobble and decent sound mixed with it

[tawdry tree]

The KS-37Bs are already out which also feature Gateron’s dual rail design and those have the least wobble I’ve seen

[glacial wind]

that won't work in wooting boards

[tawdry tree]

Beat by the Stem swapped Raptors

[glacial wind]

yes I know, I have raptors

[tawdry tree]

The design will be similar for the KS-20Us.

[glacial wind]

but the stem swap raptors suck, I dislike them

[tawdry tree]

Yes that’s why I said it.

[untold wigeon]

aliexpress got me fucked up

[glacial wind]

i prefer the jade to ks20u sound

Long as the jades are good for wobble i'll buy them over the ks20u all day then pair with some long pole stabs to emphasize the sound more

[pale aspen]

yep in my experience, anything under 3.6mm need long pole stab

stab key will see-saw a bit with normal stab

but still work

[glacial wind]

yeah I was looking at my current switches and I know morandi's are the same 3.5mm and worked great with the tx ap long poles

[shell geode]

No way, that's $24 more than buying from Gateron

[pale aspen]

shaft = switch

[untold wigeon]

maybe for you, but for me its cheaper

[shell geode]

How much is it at Gateron for you?

[untold wigeon]

with the expensive shipping it is 77 eur on gateron vs 79 usd on ali

[glacial wind]

he probably get jacked for shipping since he's not asia

[shell geode]

Holy hell, that's crazy

[untold wigeon]

the shipping was free

[glacial wind]

i think gateron site for me was like $4 shipping to korea lol

[untold wigeon]

$4 shipping takes 20 days to ship

it also asked for tax id and im not giving that shit out

[glacial wind]

what? Tax id is normal lol

[untold wigeon]

its not

[tawdry tree]

now u bought from ali express which will take a month to ship, he is smart

[untold wigeon]

i didnt pay for shipping

[glacial wind]

it's totally normal nowadays to require tax id for a lot of things

[untold wigeon]

i'd take free dogshit over paid dogshit

[shell geode]

Same, $4 to ship to CA, US

[sudden heart]

10 - 20 day shipping

[tawdry tree]

at least you’re calling the jades dogshit now

[untold wigeon]

im talking about shipping

[tawdry tree]

it’d hav been cheaper from gateron

[untold wigeon]

no it wouldn't stop

77 eur is 85 usd

[glacial wind]

he said he doesn't want the $4 shipping or whatever

[untold wigeon]

i am not paying $5 shipping then do the tax id bullshit and wait

[tawdry tree]

how 77?

[untold wigeon]

thats how it worked out

[tawdry tree]

you paid how much now on ali?

[untold wigeon]

do not ask me

[glacial wind]

this tax id paranoia thing is weird though, a lot of countries are adopting tax id system lol

[untold wigeon]

79 usd

[untold wigeon]

well i never needed to

[pale aspen]

what is your country

[tawdry tree]

yes and on gateron how much would it be with standard shipping?

[untold wigeon]

kbdfans is also from china and never asked for it

[glacial wind]

if anything I like the tax ID being adopted, it's streamlined a lot of import customs stuff since they added it locally

[untold wigeon]

5

[tawdry tree]

on gateron.com

[pale aspen]

i remember country like Indonesia ,Korea need something like ID

tax id

[untold wigeon]

ye well

[tawdry tree]

so then it’d be 56 + 5?

[glacial wind]

yeah korea is tax id for everything now. But it also makes customs clearance super fast and clean

[untold wigeon]

yeah

[pale aspen]

you can not import illegal studf easily

[glacial wind]

you just get a nice txt about any tax stuff and pay online instantly and done

[pale aspen]

[untold wigeon]

but i was never gonna do that

[tawdry tree]

that is fucking cheaper than whatever u paid now u smart

[pale aspen]

shipping from china is exception tho

[finite gate]

Isnt gateron.com fake

Its .co no?

[pale aspen]

chinese buyer/goverment endorse in shipping

[tawdry tree]

they have both

[finite gate]

huh

[pale aspen]

and find the way to stuff shipped

[tawdry tree]

both are official afaik

[untold wigeon]

both are real iirc

[finite gate]

scamadviser gives more points to .co which i think is strange

[untold wigeon]

tf is scamadviser

[tawdry tree]

bro checked with scamadviser

😅

[untold wigeon]

it sounds like a scam itself

[shell geode]

@untold wigeon This is my order receipt. What are the price differences for yours?

[tawdry tree]

doc paid 79 for the exact same thing

because he cannot compute math

[untold wigeon]

its the VAT you fucking moron

my country takes 20% VAT

[shell geode]

Which country?

[untold wigeon]

Romania

[bronze grove]

Oi lads. Keep it civil.

[untold wigeon]

u fookin what mate?

u call me lad?

[untold wigeon]

oi chill

we was just jokin

[tawdry tree]

hmm

[shell geode]

Oh, so this and then the $17 VAT? That's a bummer

[untold wigeon]

smth like that

ye

[pale aspen]

kinda rare for me (my country) to see the site charge Duty and VAT at check out

[untold wigeon]

dw this is not even the worst it's been

here it always happens

[pale aspen]

Duty 10% and VAT 7% for switch lol

[untold wigeon]

is what it is

[bronze grove]

laughs in 25% VAT

[untold wigeon]

LOL

[shell geode]

But would the $85 total from Gateron come quicker than the 2/2 estimated delivery from Aliexpress?

[untold wigeon]

that bad huh?

[tawdry tree]

21% for me

[untold wigeon]

ye it'd come in a week LOL

[shell geode]

Oh damn! haha, $5 difference for 3 weeks faster. Would that have been worth it to you?

[untold wigeon]

this still has to ship so i dont really care even if it came in a week

[shell geode]

Ah I see, no rush then, you're already waiting

[untold wigeon]

yeah