🔌│tech

[empty wren]

notches are not that bad

they gave us more

but the rest yeah took away

[wheat plume]

The only nice thing I can say about iPhone is how smooth the UI is and the long term software support is outstanding and needs to be industry standard

[empty wren]

sasmugn is doing like 4 years of OS updates

[frozen ingot]

I couldn't really care less for the notch either tbh

[empty wren]

and i think fairophone a;dp dpes a ;lot too

[frozen ingot]

I don't even think about it being there in everyday use

[wheat plume]

I'm ok with blackhole notches assuming the space is even on the top and bottom around it

[empty wren]

unliekly

[wheat plume]

I see some phones where the bottom of the status bar ends right at the bottom edge of the notch
And it's so bad

[frozen ingot]

you typically just have status icons and crap up there anyways

[wheat plume]

It's off center looking

[vocal cipher]

I had k20 pro with popup camera so no notch, didn't bother me at all afterwards when I got a phone with notch

[empty wren]

pop up camera is even more ideal

heck eevn the zenfone flip version

[final flame]

the note 9 with it's even bezels is how you get a notch without it being something that takes up screen space

[frozen ingot]

too bad their phones start falling apart after little over two

[empty wren]

i wish bezels were still more present front speakers are dead

[final flame]

yea the razer phone had that, that was nice

[vocal cipher]

how much do you use your phone to care?

[final flame]

a lot of YouTube in bed

[frozen ingot]

only android brand/models I'd really want over an iphone these days are the sony xperias

[empty wren]

i would not use earbuds for any media just speakers personally

[vocal cipher]

If I notice I am doing sth more than a minute on the phone, I get to a computer, if I can't, I wait till I get to a computer

[wheat plume]

Blackhole notches like there where there is no padding under the notch and the top of the app content bother me

[vocal cipher]

even messaging 😄

I hate typing on a glass screen

[final flame]

the only time I use headphones is when I'm in a vc or playing a game

[empty wren]

indeed

[frozen ingot]

gotten burned twice by samsungs sloppy quality on both the hardware and software side

[vocal cipher]

same, but plus if I listen to music, not just background music but only listening

I like mobile phones and the tech but for my usage, always would want to be in front of a computer

[final flame]

I find myself using my phone more than my PC in terms of multimedia stuff

[frozen ingot]

I use my phone quite a bit both at home and out and about

[wheat plume]

I can't use speakers cause my mom tried to listen to anything I'm playing on them .-.

[final flame]

I feel that

[vocal cipher]

do you research something on your phones? I am always amazed how people do that

[empty wren]

as much as any lartge computer might be faster bigger scvrren, phones can go anywhere

[final flame]

I have a lot of brave tabs I use only for reading webnovels

[vocal cipher]

not because they are faster, it's more fun for me

I have fun doing anything on a computer, but on mobile, I only do when I have to

I mean I don't like playing games on console either 😄

keyboard and mouse and monitor for me for everything

[final flame]

mobile is the best format for reading imo, manga and webnovels just don't make sense on anything else

[vocal cipher]

isn't it too small for manga?

[ashen spindle]

wrong, take a 16:9 screen and rotate it so you have perfect webtoon reading screen

an similar for mangas imo

[reef patrol]

Also less neck pain than a handheld.

[final flame]

not if it's a larger phone and rarely have to zoom in for smaller text

[final flame]

lay down in bed, that's what I do

play some background music on my PC and it's perfect

[vocal cipher]

I feel like it would be better to read manga in bed too, but then I notice I can't find a comfortable position and come back to my beloved desk 😄

[reef patrol]

Who has time for that.

[vocal cipher]

I mean it's preference and what you got used to probably

and I am sure for new generations it will always be mobile from now on.

[cursive summit]

https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/tech-news-samsung-s-cryptic-tweets-reveal-august-10th-unpacked-event

[vocal cipher]

some time later it will be wearables probably

[empty wren]

screw foldable rollables when

[cursive summit]

S23? Boring. Flip 4? Boring. Just as creasy Fold 4? Boring

Rollables are the future

Where are thou rollable displays

[empty wren]

sadly mostly concepts

i think there is a working model though somehwere

[cursive summit]

And when will Samsung stop sucking

[cursive summit]

There are multiple companies working on the concept

[empty wren]

i think one already exist

[cursive summit]

It was supposed to be in market by now

[empty wren]

just yotuuibezx

[cursive summit]

Are you okay?

[final flame]

foldables have potential, the display tech just isn't there yet. they are so fragile even a fingernail can leave a mark

[vocal cipher]

my gf has fold 3 and she loves it a lot

I mean it's fun to use

[cursive summit]

I touched the Fold and the crease was ugh, but the design is fun

[vocal cipher]

but after 1 year the thing in front got bubbled, they changed it free though, still she had to go there

[cursive summit]

When the tech matures it'll be a great tech

[vocal cipher]

definitely

[cursive summit]

For now it's just ugh

@empty wren I will touch you up next

[vocal cipher]

I did not feel so bad about the crease but the plastic feeling was not for me

[empty wren]

they shouls put the glass on the front

not inside

[cursive summit]

That's why for now I have my eyes set on Xperia 1 IV

[frozen ingot]

both my samsungs were good for the first few months

[cursive summit]

Such a beautiful phone that is, all the features you ever need

[frozen ingot]

then performance and battery life both began degrading quite significantly despite me barely installing any 3rd party apps and shutting off most superflous background stuff

[vocal cipher]

exynos ?

[frozen ingot]

EU so most likely

[vocal cipher]

never heard my gf complaining about that though, and it's eu too

I only had samsung s10 but it was stolen 2 weeks later...

so I got xiaomi 😄

[frozen ingot]

wasn't slow as such, but got those occasional huccups and stutters when exiting/switching/launching apps

[cursive summit]

WHY WOULD YOU BUY EU MODEL

Samsung keeps intentionally fucking over EU customers with Exynos

[frozen ingot]

because....that's what's sold here?

[cursive summit]

Exynos is so terrible compared to Snapdragon

[vocal cipher]

it was given from the carrier for extra 90 euros I guess, so ...

[cursive summit]

That's why you either get one off of Ebay or don't buy Samsung

[frozen ingot]

also I typically don't tend to do in-depth research on the internals

[cursive summit]

I can't imagine torturing myself with an inferior chipset

[frozen ingot]

or at least I didn't

[cursive summit]

I am just so thankful they are reportedly ditching exynos for S23

[vocal cipher]

I mean most people don't even know it's different chip for different countries

[frozen ingot]

well yet another reason to avoid assmung

as if I didn't have enough of them already

[cursive summit]

Never owned a samsung myself, never will

Terrible company, terrible practices

[frozen ingot]

note 8 was the last one I owned I can guarantee that

[cursive summit]

Along with the assmunch that is 🍎

[wheat plume]

Exynos was so shit compared to their snapdragon models

[frozen ingot]

apart from the camera and screen it really didn't have much in the way of upsides

[cursive summit]

I am looking at Sony right now. Very low market share, but that lead to very specialized and honestly, very well designed phones

[frozen ingot]

yep

[cursive summit]

Sony's pretty great

I can't say I like Sony, but their phones do seem kinda great

[frozen ingot]

sony are the only ones making android that can seriously kick iphones to the curb imo

[cursive summit]

But they are mostly for enthusiasts

Photographers, videographers

Not really a gaming phone per se

Also Sony 1 IV reportedly has a bit of an overheating problem especially in gaming

It's a wonderful phone for me, but not for everyone

[frozen ingot]

the Z3 I tried way back was the closest thing to iOS UI fluidity and overall lack of bloat I had experienced on android

[cursive summit]

Be careful

I heard Sony rn is locking some of app features behind a paywall

Especially camera app features

You might want to install third party camera app or jailbreak your phone to properly customize it and make it work

[frozen ingot]

that sorta proved its not android that's prone to poor UI performance, its just a lot of phone manufacturers that suck making android phones

[cursive summit]

Samsung 👀

Xiaomi 👀

Sony is defo my next phone, if I'll need phone

For now this cheap ass Poco X3 is holding

[frozen ingot]

I don't know what I'll end up with next

I'll probably run this iphone 11 into the ground before I move on to something else

[cursive summit]

Like I love my video consumption, scrolling internet pages and music

So I need a big screen, good battery, lagless perf and most of all, an audio jack

Those foldables do be looking really attractive

[frozen ingot]

I've gotten over big screen tv phones

[vocal cipher]

I am probably gonna quit my job so Iphone 12 should carry me for a really long time

[cursive summit]

I wonder if I should get an android tablet

That Samsung S8

[frozen ingot]

they're just way too clunky and unweildy to be usable one-handed efficiently imo

[cursive summit]

I've had a tablet before like, 7 years ago and I loved the screen size

But idk if I need one anymore

[vocal cipher]

if you are using your phone at home, I think tablet makes sense

[frozen ingot]

not to mention its quite risky to have it slip and drop out of your hand while trying to adjust your grip without the help of your other hand

[empty wren]

Paywall to even turn on iphone when

[frozen ingot]

making phones almost entirely out of fucking glass and smooth metal isn't exactly helping with that

[cursive summit]

Like next year actually

[empty wren]

Pixel 4s had nice backs

[cursive summit]

Didn't you know that Apple is going towards a "subscribe monthly for phone" plan?

[vocal cipher]

bmw will use subscription system for seat heating, I guess camera features are as reasonable as its

[empty wren]

And the sides are coated

[cursive summit]

Like I can't imagine being asked to subscribe monthly for hardware

The fuck kind of terrible marketing is that

[empty wren]

So sad

[cursive summit]

Well, Apple will do that to you

[frozen ingot]

I typically just get a new phone with a 2 year call/data subscription and pay it off like that

after 2 years phone is mine and monthly fee like cuts in half or less

[vocal cipher]

too much garbage

[empty wren]

Though question does this anyway lower car price

At least when you first get it

[vocal cipher]

It wont be as expensive as you won't be adding seat heating when you buy the car

but in fact the car will be as expensive

[frozen ingot]

paying a monthly fee for the phone without actually ending up owning it after x time though

screw that

[vocal cipher]

you just won't see it in the price you pay...

[vocal cipher]

if you want silver lining, you can cancel the subscription in summer...

but don't know, they wouldn't do something they won't earn more

[empty wren]

Guessing likely some people will hack their cars

[vocal cipher]

they already do for apple car play

or whatever the name was

[empty wren]

[frozen ingot]

I really hope any car company pulling shit like bmw ends up getting their online technical infrastructure and services harassed and hacked to oblivion

[vocal cipher]

human race is weird... you would think they are weird, but anyone gets to the places where they make decisions, makes exactly the same shitty decisions

even though they only make benefit for now and don't care about the future at all, they still have children and wants their children to have children

it was a train of thought that brought me to my complaining

sorry you can act like it never happened 😄

[frozen ingot]

subscribing to accessing hardware you paid to have installed in your car is like nft/crypto levels of greasy scumbaggery and greed

[empty wren]

If the price of the car was lowered

Maybe less people would complain, make hacking difficult and for those that manage it I guess free marketing

[vocal cipher]

let's say you have a model now and the heating in it is version x and 5 years later version y comes with the new model, but you pay the same subscription

will they change your seat heating free

when new adobe product comes, everyone uses the same product

that's the idea of subscription benefit

[empty wren]

They should

[frozen ingot]

they still had to pay for getting it manufactured and put in the car, it should be accounted for in the purchase price, intentionally not charging for it so they can gridlock you into a payment plan is about as cynically malicious and spiteful as you can be towards your customers

[empty wren]

how about this two models same car, one costs less due to subscription costs another full price

[frozen ingot]

it spells out that its no longer enough just overpaying for having the car locked into their dealership and warranty network but you should also play a role as a monthly milkable piggybank

I'd rather just see the entire car being lease only

over being sold a car you still don't really own after paid in full

[empty wren]

futurely possible

if we have robo taxis

[sterile patio]

how do i fix my double movement

[empty wren]

#archived_fortnite_double_movement

[sterile patio]

nobody there

[frozen ingot]

eventually we likely will

[empty wren]

there is also a guide in the pins there you can look at

the helpers use that exact guide

[empty wren]

then very likely, we can see a scooter like service

where you get to drive or use taxi and when you are done you just pay and leave

only issue is how people will abuse the crap out of the cars

[frozen ingot]

yeah gonna have to build self-driving cars as tanky as commuter buses or trains to stay in one piece for years of general public use

[empty wren]

Yep

[frozen ingot]

a tesla interior would last for like a weekend

[empty wren]

Tesla would be smoking

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/_wildc/status/1550143106573549576

Wild_C (@_wildc)

Here's some Renders of the RDNA 3 / Navi3X lineup

Navi33 = Monolithic
Navi32 = 1x GCD + 4x MCD
Navi31 = 1x GCD + 6x MCD

Twitter · Jul 21, 2022, 3:38 PM

wonder how close that is to the real deal

[cursive summit]

Close

We know for sure there won't be more than 1 GCD

And iirc max there's like 6 or 8 MCDs

So yeah info's quite correct

[ashen spindle]

it could still be arranged very differently

[cursive summit]

I just don't really understand the difference between monolithic and this chiplet implementation

Cause we still have only one graphical die

Why put the memory dies elsewhere

[ashen spindle]

same thing as on cpus

you split the logic so memory can be made on a different node for cost savings, lower defect rate, higher density library possible

so one step to split that up, second to add more than 1 compute die

[cursive summit]

In theory, I know that nowadays you could actually mod GPUs and put higher capacity memory on some of them. Would this approach actually make memory modding more viable?

[ashen spindle]

Why should it

[cursive summit]

I'm not sure, just wondering

[ashen spindle]

It doesn’t change how the parts work

Also higher capacity isn’t faster speeds so bandwidth would remain the same

And putting on faster chips would have issues with validation and all

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/orl2ZPtjukE

they no like pixel

[cursive summit]

Cause it's broken

The software is like, bad

[wheat plume]

the 6A thats not released yet?

[cursive summit]

?

Literally launched today

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

its on preorder now xd

[reef patrol]

It's almost as if LTT reviews NEW products and get REVIEW samples.

[cursive summit]

More Lanaposting I see

[wheat plume]

oooo

I like the sage color

[cursive summit]

Talk about puke green

[wheat plume]

hmm, chalk is basically white

except above the camera area

[reef patrol]

Chalk is basically... chalk 😛

[cursive summit]

"Chalk is basically white"

• Lana

[wheat plume]

THE COLRO OF THE PHONE

[cursive summit]

Idk man that looks pretty white to me

[wheat plume]

THE PHONE COLOR IS WHITE except the area above the camera xd

[reef patrol]

the snozzberries taste like snozzberries

[cursive summit]

Blueberries are blue

Which is actually funny cause that's wrong

They are more purple than anything blue

[wheat plume]

🤔 get Pixel Buds for free during pre-order period

[cursive summit]

Oh god

Oh look

You get a flagship phone with WH-1000XM3s

"Worth" 300$ as a gift

As if that's a new thing

[wheat plume]

LOL

[cursive summit]

Also Pixel buds are prolly shite

I don't think they sound very good

Neither does Apple stuff

Samsung for better or for worse, has the best sounding TWS for now

Sony also has really good ones cause they actually are an audio company

That AKG acquisition might pay off one day for Samsung

[astral haven]

Disagree
Sony has the best sounding tws

[wheat plume]

The 6A is supposed to have the same chip as the 6 and 6 pro

y u say "supposed to"?

[cursive summit]

Crinacle would want to have a word with you

[cursive summit]

None of us said that

[wheat plume]

they did in the video

[cursive summit]

Yeah so ask them not us

[shadow minnow]

Can’t match the features though

[cursive summit]

Fuck off

[wheat plume]

such as?

[cursive summit]

Apple's shit

[shadow minnow]

Rotation aware dolby atmos

[cursive summit]

Features such as not being able to update your Apple earbud software if you don't own Apple phone

Great feature

[shadow minnow]

Well yes it’s definitely not worth it for non apple devices to use with

[cursive summit]

Case closed

[shadow minnow]

Well for some

[cursive summit]

Anyways, yes Lana they all have the same exact Tensor chip

Same GPU, same CPU clocks

[wheat plume]

wait, I thought the Nothing Phone was meant to be 400 euro?

[cursive summit]

Don't even talk about that shit

[wheat plume]

its 470 on their website

[cursive summit]

Why were we just talking about proper normal phones for a second and you bring up trash

Also no

Jesus that phone looks terrible

[shadow minnow]

You could say Lana brought nothing to the discussion

[cursive summit]

Literally worse spec wise than similar priced Poco F series

[astral haven]

Crinacle liked them

[cursive summit]

Crinacle also said that Samsung by far has best TWSes

It's not like their audio is done by AKG

[astral haven]

And where are the xm4s on his ranking?

[cursive summit]

https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=11636&idPhone2=11627

The hell is this bloodbath

[astral haven]

Remember the best iem of all time according to him is a sony

[cursive summit]

F4s cost 100 euros less and are superior or equal

Why are people talking about Nothing phone?

This is trash

[astral haven]

Well mass market brand

[cursive summit]

IEM

Idk man that doesn't look TWS for me

And yeah Sony has some great IEMs nothing against that

But not TWS, Bluetooth is a different arena

AKG has some banger bluetooth buds, coincidentally their parent Samsung does too

[wheat plume]

IM SO TEMPTED TO GET THIS PHONE

[cursive summit]

What are you talking about now

[wheat plume]

6A

[cursive summit]

Could you be normal and get a Sony?

[wheat plume]

The Sony costs 600

im already scared to spend 460 on a phone

[cursive summit]

Last I checked it retails for 480

[wheat plume]

the 10 IV?

[cursive summit]

Yes

Uh

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Xperia-Smartphone-Display-Triple-Android/dp/B0B1KJJCCY

[cursive summit]

Where's the 600?

[wheat plume]

503 + 23% of 503 for import fees from UK

[cursive summit]

Amazon sends from Deutschland you nut

No fees

[wheat plume]

im looking at the sony site

[cursive summit]

THEN DON'T BUY FROM SONY SITE

[wheat plume]

tyrue

[cursive summit]

They are MSRP on Amazon

No customs

[astral haven]

The point is that akgs highest score in crinacles rankings is b
Sony's is an s
For tws sure it's only a tie at b
(All this is excluding tuning which is preference)

[wheat plume]

you get the earbuds with it on Sony site LOL

I dont need

[cursive summit]

Why'd you want those

[wheat plume]

I dont

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/5Q4A0u4hOG4

He talks about Sonys, and says Samsungs are better

[wheat plume]

how do those compare to wired earphones that are the same price?

[cursive summit]

Which ones

[astral haven]

Yep
Have them
They aren't that well tuned

[cursive summit]

What are you talking about

[astral haven]

Look up crinacles rankings
The n400 are an a+ tuning according to him
That's why their overall score is inflated from a b to a b+
But they really aren't tuned that well

[wheat plume]

SO MUCH MONEY BUT I WANT BAD

[cursive summit]

What on earth are you talking about

[wheat plume]

6A ofc

[cursive summit]

I thought you wanted a headphone jack

6A doesn't have one

[wheat plume]

I know ;-;

[astral haven]

They aren't far off for the sale price of $50
But you can match them for $20

[cursive summit]

Then get the Sonys

[astral haven]

And for MSRP of 170 they get slaughtered

But that's just physics

If you want good, get a wired iem and a Bluetooth adapter
Works the same besides mask compatibility

[cursive summit]

First talk Lana out of buying that phone

Pixel doesn't support aptX?

[astral haven]

Pixels are trash
Name a pixel without some software or hardware issue that was widespread

[astral haven]

Probably does

[astral haven]

They probably haven't been able to check yet

[cursive summit]

Huh

[astral haven]

Sads

Ldac is pog

[cursive summit]

Anyways I'd much rather get a Sony

More stable

[astral haven]

I got both

[cursive summit]

That lovely sexy headphone jack

[wheat plume]

🤔

[astral haven]

Oh
I got a samsung

[astral haven]

Dw about that

[cursive summit]

Carmonben whenever we talk about anything, you always have it

Like do you live in an amazon warehouse or something

[astral haven]

Thought you were talking about the Sony buds still

I don't have a Sony phone

[shadow minnow]

Impossible

[astral haven]

I refuse to get a 21:9 phone

And this pen is very very nice

[cursive summit]

But yeah seriously Lana, Google Pixels are known for software problems

(Probably cause they decided not to use Snapdragons and went with Tensors)

Get something that uses a pure Snapdragon with clean Android, which is Sony

[astral haven]

Nah it was a problem loooooong before that

[wheat plume]

how is deliery so fast?

[cursive summit]

Wait what

[wheat plume]

says itll be here in 6 days

[astral haven]

Pixels above the 2 have had some issues
I think the 3a is safe?

[wheat plume]

if I order now

[cursive summit]

No microSD slot on Pixel 6?

[cursive summit]

Which one

The Pixel or the Sony?

Cause Amazon in my experience always delivers on the date that's listed

[wheat plume]

usually its a day or two late from what they estimate

and one time it was a day early!

[cursive summit]

Which phone

[pale sigil]

oops

deleted all versions of wootility every made by accident

[wheat plume]

uh?

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[reef patrol]

Should have gone to Specsavers

[pale sigil]

i forgot my archive was in downloads and i ran a script to delete all .exe files

and so i cant recover it

[wheat plume]

👀

[reef patrol]

I mean - You CAN

[pale sigil]

ye but

fuck that

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

RIP super secret files

[cursive summit]

@wheat plumeWhat phone are you buying, seriously

[astral haven]

It's actually really easy with testdisk...

[cursive summit]

Cause Lana pisses me off in that she always writes stuff here, everyone tells her not to do it, and still does it

[wheat plume]

I am on the checkout page for the 6A, Google filled in my address and payment methods for me automatically cause Google
I just need to press "Confirm"

but im holding back

is lot of money....

[cursive summit]

Which could be spent on a wonderful Xperia

[astral haven]

You should wait until Google releases a single phone that has no problems after the first year before buying any Google phone

[cursive summit]

I don't get your reasoning

Cries about no headphone jack

Finds a phone with a headphone jack that runs clean android and is well supported by community

Buys a Pixel anyways with no headphone jack, terrible software and unstable features

The choice is simple, get a Sony

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/Snapdragon/status/1550182633887391747

Snapdragon (@Snapdragon)

#Snapdragon Insiders: Save the date for #SnapdragonSummit 2022.

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jul 21, 2022, 6:15 PM

so november 15 to see what they are up to

[cursive summit]

Yay 8 Gen 2

Also hopefully news on their wireless codecs

Maybe they'll also support their currently abandoned snapdragon phone

[frozen ingot]

imagine giving google money

[astral haven]

I'd take an ad supported phone by Google

Pay maybe $100 and then ads
Or perhaps it requires a Google one or workspace subscription?
Free with the subscription and $100 otherwise?

[wheat plume]

Ad supported Phone?

[astral haven]

A phone that is 1/4 of the normal price but uses ads to make up the difference

[shadow minnow]

So like what you get with packages from carriers?

[shadow minnow]

That would need a lot of ads or cheap phone

[astral haven]

Yep

[shadow minnow]

I guess the ad funded phone concept is partially also speaking by exceptation to be able to go around these ads and disable them with some programming knowledge

[pale sigil]

moved all my user files to my NAS and changed location of pictures etc to network drive

[ashen spindle]

yeah no, it would track that and not just blindly assume you watch them

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-luke-skywalker-bad-feeling-nervous-anxious-gif-4059086

[astral haven]

Nah
I'd expect for $100 it's very locked down
Do it like the kindles
More expensive edition without ads, cheaper one with ads

[reef patrol]

Time to jailbreak 😄

[pale sigil]

hmm Windows 11 has different icons for network drive mounts?

[astral haven]

Yes

Same as the onedrive ones

[pale sigil]

Never saw this on Windows 10, then again its a long time since i redirected all my user files to my NAS vs my SSD

ive been ising a 500gb SSD just for userfiles all this time

[reef patrol]

Mine doesn't - But I link to the root of the virtual drive, not subfolders.

[astral haven]

10 had it too

[pale sigil]

i cleared 200gb+ of nvidia replays etc

Its something ive wanted to do for a while... .

now all my pics/videos/docs/desktop are all on my NAS now vs its own SSD

[pale sigil]

i just do this

[reef patrol]

Oh ew - remote user folders.

https://tenor.com/view/neil-patrick-harris-shudder-shrug-disgusted-gif-13575156

[astral haven]

It works great if you have a fast nas

[pale sigil]

my desktop i just made a shortcut as i want my docu/desktop to be my nvme

[astral haven]

And it's especially great with multiple desktops

[pale sigil]

why did i install this adware ahain

[reef patrol]

CCcleaner
adware

Oh apparently they got bought out. Nevermind. xD

[pale sigil]

mhmm

i haven't used it in yearssss

but i wanted to clear all .exe files in my downloads, ended up just using cmd.

Also i had 15gb .exe files going back to 2014

[quasi heath]

Cool_video.mp4.exe

[pale sigil]

why do i keep such old files on my NAS?

idk either

[reef patrol]

I found files from 98. NINTETYEIGHT on my uncle's mac backup drive. I -had- savegames from games from my childhood. You ain't got nothing on that with your 7 year old shit 😄

[pale sigil]

oh fuck

oh fuccckkk

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-boy-here-we-go-again-oh-dear-omg-alright-then-gif-20490490

[pale sigil]

did onedrive sync this shit

hol up

does Windows 11 sync to my NAS?!?

vs not mount

so confused rn

Oh ignore me

[ashen spindle]

will do

[pale sigil]

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

Ohh i see

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

thas kinda cool

Never knew about this

[astral haven]

Windows has a lot of random useful features

[stark bobcat]

very understandable it s now gigantic one of the reasons I got the 4a was the size and the price is also huge

[pale sigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/999375027046715412/999801188428034189/IMG_20220721_231244.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559752159676071939/999801581484654632/IMG_20220721_231350.jpg

i found some ancient things

Is this what old people used before m2 slots?

[astral haven]

Lol

Msata is the direct predecessor to m.2

[vocal cipher]

so you have nvmes in your NAS?

what kind of a castle are you living in? 😄

[pale sigil]

shush

NAS runs off magic

[vocal cipher]

I turn of RGB of my keeb and everything but have NAS running...

gotta save somewhere to use it right...

[astral haven]

My nas has no sata or sas drives

And if you exclude the boot drive it also has no nvmes 😉

[vocal cipher]

mine has hdds

didn't have a problem yet

even edited videos on it

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/mdYzVaC6HSQ

Oh?

Apple's actually proceeding with DIY repair

[empty wren]

Yes for putting you at the liability seriously

Inb4 people break or lose those device and apple tells them mald cry about it and give me my money

[shrewd thicket]

Old news and it's shit

[cursive summit]

The idea? Years old

The tools actually being available? New

[shrewd thicket]

No the fact apple is doing self repair

It's been out for months

[cursive summit]

I have 0 interest in Apple so I don't follow their news

Their tools being available is news to me

[shrewd thicket]

I personally have a M1 Pro MacBook which basically has 0 repairable parts

I like my MacBook but I don't like Apple

[shrewd thicket]

CCleaner itself is like adware

[astral haven]

They aren't useful tools, the parts that are available are highly limited, and only the already easily performed repairs are supported

It's a step
But they need to start jogging

[shrewd thicket]

It's not a step

[astral haven]

It is a step

[shrewd thicket]

They're simply creating a legal defense point and nothing else

It costs more to repair yourself
All liability is yours
You're renting shit from apple
Everything is locked behind a SN
In some cases (maybe all) you literally need to call Apple to "verify" your new part

[pale sigil]

my windows 11 install for the deck has nuked itself alreadu

[shrewd thicket]

The only reason they do this (as mentioned in the video) is so they can say "oh well we let customers repair their devices themselves" whilst making it the most unrealistic option ever for consumers. The only people who will actually do it is people who do it as a gig not as a better repair option

[shrewd thicket]

So time to switch to Linux

[astral haven]

Yes

But it's still a step

[pale sigil]

r00d

[pale sigil]

deck is running linux on internals

[shrewd thicket]

Yeah but it runs arch🤮

[pale sigil]

touche

[astral haven]

Hype

[ashen spindle]

surely thats the % chance of deckard new coming form valve right

[astral haven]

I wish

No just my deck reservation

100% is when I get my deck preorder email

Id much prefer a deckard to a deck

[pale sigil]

@reef patrol whats the best way to multi remove windows uwp bloat these days

[pale sigil]

no buts its insanely accurate

[ashen spindle]

what

[pale sigil]

the calc

https://getmydeck.ingenhaag.dev/

[ashen spindle]

do I need to make a macro that just replies and tells the person to read again what was said

[pale sigil]

yes

yes you do

[cursive summit]

https://www.pcgamer.com/watch-this-amd-dev-code-fsr-20-into-a-game-engine-from-scratch-in-under-an-hour/

[ashen spindle]

amd dev that used to work on engines and did upsampling on past engines can implement his companies product in not too much of a time

wow

[cursive summit]

Well he's a brand new AMD employee

And has never worked with FSR before

[ashen spindle]

yeah he just used to do manual upsampling in dirt and other games

so he basically is one of the few that ever did that on an engine level already and knows where to put it lol

[cursive summit]

Hey according to him it's pretty easy to due good documentation

All people who would work with FSR would probably be aware of their code structure

[ashen spindle]

like yeah its nice and relatively easy but thats like saying look how fast this michelin start chef understands how to use this new salt

idk to me it looks like an article that doesnt understand whats going on on developer side

[humble hatch]

Does anyone have any blue flaretech switches willing to ship to the US.

[cursive summit]

I have 3 from my replacement set, 100$ each

[humble hatch]

3 switches or 3 sets?

[cursive summit]

3 switches of course

[humble hatch]

That's a little overpriced don't you think?

[cursive summit]

Hey they are invaluable now, out of stock, out of production and every single bag sold out

I have the world's flaretech blue monopoly with my 3 switches

[crisp granite]

yep

honestly

I got a 2021 MBP 14 quotation mark with M1 Pro

I love it

it is by far the best laptop I've ever used

but I don't like that I need to take it somewhere other than my usual techie to get it fixed

or that replacement parts will be unobtainium in a few years

[crisp granite]

"available"

you still need to do so much shit to actually get the device to function factory new
I've cracked open iphones to replace parts that failed over the years, even if you're using donor parts from the exact same model, but a different specimen
you need to jump through so many hoops and most of the time physically bring it to an apple store anyway

the cost of said tools is also stupid

it's Right to Repair, the apple way
which is to say "right to get scammed worse if you feel like DIY"

[junior ore]

you mean

[empty wren]

Google is a bunch of jokers

[junior ore]

"No Right To Repair" which is the Apple way and what Apple says

it would be nice fi they simply just let us do repairs

[empty wren]

Honestly a screen which seems to be simple now

Makes repairing on ones own worth it

Drm or not

At least you can move stuff around carefully

Though I will say this

They are at least not Future Motion

Unplug the cable to the battery for any reason even because of a loose connection guess what

You send your $3000 brick to them to correct

That is how twisted they are

Honestly most customers are dumb

Dumb to have a will to not have fear and perseverance and desire to fix it

So hate on apple if you will, at least even if they were being toxic they made a lot of tools available

Is it expensive yes

On the topic of MacBooks forget about it

Most of the time you cannot do much to the new macs especially now with m1 and onward chips

Also keep in mind doge usually apple just gives you a replacement device

Their geniuses are quite stupid

[fair gull]

no

[reef patrol]

🎵 I've got a jar o' flaretechs, I got a jar o' flaretechs! 🎵

shakes and rattles nutella glass full of blues

[shrewd thicket]

Yep, I also have a full ifixit kit (like the big one) and I've repaired like tens of other MacBooks (2015 and onwards) but even with my knowledge I wouldn't be able to repair my current MacBook even if I wanted to because everything is either on the chip or soldered on to the board

[reef patrol]

I'm sorry - But did you just think, let alone TALK about repairing an Apple product?

https://tenor.com/view/police-siren-siren-gif-14993722

[shrewd thicket]

I play a lot of Minecraft and my M1 pro actually outperforms my laptop with an rtx 2060 without even being plugged in so its pretty insane

[shrewd thicket]

Like I said I've repaired multiple tens of MacBooks before

And hundreds of other laptops

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-joke-it-was-a-joke-kidding-joke-penguin-gif-17499504

[shrewd thicket]

Things like swapping fans, ram, ssd's, main board, speakers used to still be a reasonable task

[shadow minnow]

I mean, m1 really surprised me with its performance, especially since M1 pro on battery beats 11900k.
But for idk why but the frame rate in Minecraft doesn’t scale with view distance properly, m1 pro can handle pretty big view distance but very low view distance doesn’t increase FPS as much

[shrewd thicket]

Do you used the custom MC launcher which handles launching on native Apple silicon even with older versions?

I don't remember what it's called but it's a MultiMC fork

Doubled my performance from Rosetta

I play a lot of 1.8.9 but pretty sure the new version is native regardless

[shadow minnow]

Hmm never used it, sounds interesting

Does it work with forge and such too?

[shrewd thicket]

https://github.com/MinecraftMachina/ManyMC

[shrewd thicket]

Yeah

[shadow minnow]

Sounds good

Thanks

[shrewd thicket]

At Max settings with 64 render distance (using optifine) I was still at 30-50fps on 3440x1440 so I'd say it scales like on any other hardware using this

I use about 20 render distance because I play on servers and I get around 150-240fps depending on where I am

[mild dome]

I think the macbook's gpu has a tendency to get starved by the smaller bandwidth (relative to other gpus) memory. So it might be more limited by bandwidth

[shrewd thicket]

The M1 pro/max have plenty of unified memory bandwidth

I have a 16GB model and as a developer I kinda regret not getting the 32GB one. I've only noticed capacity is a problem not bandwidth

[shadow minnow]

The m1 max especially has really high bandwidth, higher than many dGPUs

[shrewd thicket]

And it's only in really big web projects

I don't do anything GPU related other than gaming so I don't need the max

My plan wasn't even to ever game on my MacBook, I'm just waiting for 4080 to release but I sold my PC already

And my laptop makes so much fucking noise and it's literally slower than my MacBook

[shadow minnow]

Ngl only thing I use my pc for is running games my MacBook can’t

[shrewd thicket]

Well that's exactly how I imagined my setup

MacBook for development, PC for gaming

But PC parts I need haven't released yet smh

[shadow minnow]

I am waiting for dGPU too, using iGPU atm

[shrewd thicket]

Yikes

[shadow minnow]

Yeah

But reason o am doing so is I am only with my pc small fraction of a year

[shrewd thicket]

I'd rather not buy parts yet because Nvidia could delay the release so much I could buy a 13th gen already for example

[shadow minnow]

So can wait for next gen

[shrewd thicket]

I can wait too, Minecraft keeps me amused haha

[shadow minnow]

Honestly in Minecraft I sometimes find quite big performance issues, but well that GitHub project may fix it

[shrewd thicket]

I never really played on Rosetta because I found this looking up how to run Minecraft on m1

I have ran Minecraft in Rosetta but only to test if it was configuration or translation that broke my mods

All my mods work tho so it's perfect

But I did instantly notice like half performance on Rosetta

[shadow minnow]

Mods on 1.12.2 would soemtiems cause lot stuttering for me when chunks were loading

[shrewd thicket]

I was using MultiMC already which this project is forked off

[shadow minnow]

Also for a time I couldn’t play forge on multimc for lower versions because older OpenGL compatibility later got removed

[shrewd thicket]

If you also use mods or even when you don't you'll love the launcher just for it's features alone

[shrewd thicket]

There's a patch for that on MultiMC afaik but u don't need it on manyMC

You can edit the OpenGL config but it's tedious

[shadow minnow]

Ngl multimc is nice but I kinda still prefer just the basic mc launcher

Less bugs for me too with some mods, had a modpack that wouldn’t run on multimc but would on normal launcher

[cedar stag]

If you are juggling a lot of modpacks/intances multimc is something you can't live without (subjective opinion)

[shadow minnow]

Well yes multimc makes it simpler but for playing just one modpack I prefer the basic launcher

[cedar stag]

Also if you are on Linux then mmc is the way to go, and I just prefer open source software over proprietary solutions

[shadow minnow]

I am not sure tbh if only reason I prefer normal launcher is UI despite having way less options just looking nicer

[reef patrol]

Ugh... finally caving (again) to installing Android 12. Lets see if ADB actually works this time so I can disable half of the shit it forces on me.

[shadow minnow]

Why does m2 MacBook Air look like iPad with a keyboard

Ngl too big bezels don’t really like it

And notch on top of that

Better than 13” pro

But far worse than 14” pro

[reef patrol]

Any of you Android nerds know anything about ADB and my phone suddenly going into a state where it shows a blank grey square instead of ... well anything after bootup?`

Tried removing an annoying system app over ADB and I can't seem to revert it. I can get into ADB and type in shell commands but no amount of re-enable or reinstall seems to do the trick.

I removed System UI (ohno) and the Oneplus Games app. Both claim to be installed still and enabled. But the phone still isn't loading up launchers or anything.

[wheat plume]

....

WHY TF WOULD YOU REMOVE SYSTEM UI??

[reef patrol]

Because according to it's UI all it does it force notifications on that I can't hide 😛

I wasn't ware it was the fucking rendering layer etc...

Doesn't change the fact that according to ADB it's there and enabled.

[wheat plume]

ITS LITERALLY THE UI

ITS IN THE NAME

[reef patrol]

In the name - Not in the settings of it 😛

[shadow minnow]

Hmm I wonder what happens if I remove UI from my phone, almost like system32

[pale sigil]

Just install a new launcher

[wheat plume]

that not how that works

[pale sigil]

Over adb

[reef patrol]

Right now I just need it to fucking turn on properly 😄

I can get it into bootloader etc.. just fine via my PC.

[wheat plume]

the SystemUI still runs under the launcher, since the launcher is JUST the home screen and app drawer

[reef patrol]

Suggestions welcome.

[ashen spindle]

get an iphone and you cant break it that easily

[reef patrol]

[shadow minnow]

Maybe mansen will find a way to uninstall iOS

[reef patrol]

Suffice to say my tolerance for haha jokes right now is nil 😛

[vocal cipher]

what is the phone?

[wheat plume]

ok...if you remove a thing called "SystemUI"....thats on you

[reef patrol]

It's a Oneplus 9Pro

[ashen spindle]

and thats why linux wont be mainstream but I'm not gonna start that discussion again

[shadow minnow]

I don’t think it allows you to that’s the thing
No device should since accidents happen

[pale sigil]

I don't think there's much to do

[shadow minnow]

Or it should at least give you a clear warning

[pale sigil]

Or well it's our of my depth that's for sure

[vocal cipher]

do you have anything you want to save from it?

[wheat plume]

yeah, but no phone can lock down literally usiong ADB over command line

[reef patrol]

All of it.

We can have an hour long debate on why the fuck Android/One Plus decided that only SOME notifications can be toggled. But right now I just want it to fucking boot again.

[shadow minnow]

Hey you are removing your phones basic functionally you won’t be able to use it anymore do you want to proceed?
Why is there no such a warning

[reef patrol]

...

[wheat plume]

IKR!!!

[reef patrol]

Claims to be installed. Tried to reinstall and renable over ADB

[wheat plume]

wtf is that app

[reef patrol]

Look - If you don't want to help, don't. But please cut the fucking crap 😛

[reef patrol]

Me using a UI ADB.

[wheat plume]

idk how to help

other than factory reset

[pale sigil]

Didn't know there was ui versions of abd tbh

[reef patrol]

It has ADB access. So clearly the OS is running. I just need to kick the UI back in somehow.

[wheat plume]

thats definetly unoffical AF

[reef patrol]

Of course it is.

[pale sigil]

Most google results say re install

[shadow minnow]

Maybe there is a way to backup all your data and just upload it back but not sure

[pale sigil]

Other things suggest what I said

Install a launcher

[reef patrol]

Such as?

[vocal cipher]

interestingly that might work

[wheat plume]

I doubt it

but worth a shot

[reef patrol]

Reminder : I have zero experience with ADB.

I'm literally just punching in commands through google at this point.

[pale sigil]

https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/teslacoil-software/nova-launcher/

[vocal cipher]

yet you have deleted something called SystemUI

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume from what I've read system UI has two versions

[reef patrol]

Again with the unnecessary shit.

[pale sigil]

The launcher and baked, I think he deleted the launcher.

[vocal cipher]

sorry 🙂

[wheat plume]

LOL

I hate websites

[pale sigil]

Automated

[ashen spindle]

you found a website that was made to generate ad revenue by having autogenerated text

[wheat plume]

@reef patrol

https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/154108/i-uninstalled-systemui-now-phone-stops-working

[reef patrol]

No root or bootloader. Just ADB

Trying the launcher first. Then I'll see if the above works.

Doubtful

[vocal cipher]

I think even if there is no UI you can still root the phone, at least some of them can be done not sure about yours

if it comes to that, you can root it and then do the thing Lahnah sent

[reef patrol]

I'd sooner factory reset and have to go without my web banking and public email access for up to a month than root my phone.

[wheat plume]

what Android version?

[reef patrol]

12. Updated today.

[vocal cipher]

then let's hope launcher works

[wheat plume]

https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/oneplus-ltd/system-ui-7/system-ui-7-10-release/system-ui-10-4-android-apk-download/

try this

[reef patrol]

It's been stuck on installing the launcher for two minutes. Not looking good.

[wheat plume]

try the systemui oneplus apk maybe

[reef patrol]

Fucking Android I swear 😄

[wheat plume]

How is this Android's fault? Xd

[vocal cipher]

you can brick iphones while jailbreaking too

[reef patrol]

It's their fault for locking certain notifications in their shitty app.

That is the entire reason we're here 😄

[vocal cipher]

that's racism

[ashen spindle]

this is as much mansens fault as it was linux/popos fault when linus bricked his install, now how much blame you put on user vs software is something you can discuss if you're really bored

[reef patrol]

I put full blame on Android/OnePlus on restricting my access to perfectly sensible options. Options they show but won't let me toggle on/off. Not even hidden 😛

I take the blame for fucking up the phone itself.

[ashen spindle]

I fully agree with that view

[vocal cipher]

that's UX for iphone users

[wheat plume]

ok......but Linus did an upgrade, a part of using the OS that everyone does

Mansen, on the other hand, plugged his phone into his computer, installed ADB, enabled USB Debugging on his phone
and messed about

that is a totally different scenario

[shadow minnow]

Oh also at the end Bluetooth luckily just started working for me again

No Intel XTU but I don’t care anymore atm because with iGPU even 3600 cl19 isn’t stable? Despite no normal errors and kit rating being 4266cl19

[wheat plume]

My phone let's me toggle systemui notifications

So maybe just OnePlus doesn't?

[ashen spindle]

not really, linus tried to install steam, that had an error so he had to use commandline to fix it which ended up breaking it since neither the GUI was working nor did the cmd have proper safety measures

mansen tried to remove something annoying that was not in the GUI so he had to dive deeper and equally he had the option to remove something that was not shown to be as relevant as it is

[reef patrol]

I'd show you half of them being forced on... if I had a working phone 😄

[ashen spindle]

so in the end I'd say mansens case is even less to blame on him if the description showed him wrong stuff

[wheat plume]

Linus applied an update, PopOS was at fault for their janky package dependencies

Linus did what any user would do, update their system and remove an app here and there

[ashen spindle]

what any user would do
going to the terminal

sure

[wheat plume]

I only use terminal for updates

[shadow minnow]

What any Linux user has to do

[wheat plume]

Yeah

xd

[ashen spindle]

I dont know how much this needs to be said most users would never touch anything looking like cmd

[wheat plume]

tbf, I run app updates via command line on Windows too using Winget

[shadow minnow]

Automatic app updates is the only thing I want

Anything else too inconvenient

[wheat plume]

so things like discord and steam and most web browsers?

[shadow minnow]

And any apps in my phone

It’s nice I don’t have to bother updating

[wheat plume]

The fingerprint reader is definitely slow and does not work most of the time
Marques Brownless - just tapping his finger on the scanner for half a second and wondering why it wont work

[crimson wigeon]

It is expected for those things to work immediately these days

[wheat plume]

yeah...but not UNDER DISPLAY fignerprint scanners

even the best phones have slow ones

[shadow minnow]

I mean half a second should be enough

[wheat plume]

not for under display ones

they take at least a second

[shadow minnow]

I remember old good times of just pressing home button and phone instantly opening into Home Screen

[ashen spindle]

so does he compare it to other under display scanners or not

because if he compares it to ones that are faster, then that is in fact slower

[wheat plume]

no, he doesnt compare it to anything else

just that its slow af and expecting it to work from barely a tap on the screen

cause when he holds his finger down for more time, it works everytyime

[reef patrol]

Sigh... gonna try an Android discord server and see if they can salvage this,.

[ashen spindle]

good luck

[wheat plume]

did you not try the APK I linked?

[reef patrol]

The launcher didn't want to install at all - So... not holding out on the OP v12 one it's trying to get in now.

[wheat plume]

but you tried a launcher, this is literally the SystemUI APK

[reef patrol]

And yet the app still stalls.

[crimson wigeon]

Try the Telegram technical support then

[wheat plume]

tbh, the app could be janky too and not working right

[reef patrol]

Not at all impossible.

[wheat plume]

id used command line adb

[reef patrol]

I assume it does but makes it UI based.

[wheat plume]

yeah, but even apps that do that, ive had issues with them in the past

[reef patrol]

perfoming streamed install

[wheat plume]

dafuq?

[wheat plume]

ah

is this also unoffical adb?? ADB_AppControl?

[reef patrol]

It includes the adb tools in a subfolder.

[wheat plume]

ook

[reef patrol]

Two minutes of nothing so far.

Still nothing. Seems like installing APKs is not an option in this state. I don't suppose the bootloader lets you do this? xD

[wheat plume]

ok, the Sage color is not as sickly Green as the Google store photos seems to suggest

[cursive summit]

Please stop talking about Pixel

It's not a good phone

How many times does it have to be repeated

Look into other phones

[pale sigil]

Please stop telling Lana to stop talking about pixel phones

[cursive summit]

Please stop enabling Lana to talk about shitty phones

[pale sigil]

Lana gets what she wants

[cursive summit]

We are trying to save their money here

[cursive summit]

Disappointment that is

[pale sigil]

Lana ain't buying one

[umbral knot]

my pixel's good enough

[pale sigil]

She has more important things to get

Aka escaping her hell house

[cursive summit]

Are you sure about that

Last I heard she was 1 click away from pressing order

[pale sigil]

She's gotta be let out of my basement for that.

[ashen spindle]

you need to recommend the pixel then

so far the result was always something not recommended

[cursive summit]

Elaborate

[ashen spindle]

gpu recommendation? monitor recommendation?

[shadow minnow]

Intel UHD 750

[cursive summit]

GPU I still firmly believe Lana fucked up there

Monitor I don't even remember that one

[shadow minnow]

What GPU did lana get? My memory bad

[ashen spindle]

every suggestion here had a 5700 or 5700xt iirc and then her build suddenly had a 1660 or what it is

[cursive summit]

1660 Ti or something

Lana was aiming for that one

[shadow minnow]

What was the price difference?

[ashen spindle]

doesnt matter, we all knew for linux amd would be better

[cursive summit]

I think I tried to get her into RX 5700XT

Obviously, we know how that ended

Bought the 1660

I went through the hassle of even building a custom rig that was far better value than hers

Ignored, betrayed, dismayed

[shadow minnow]

I recommend to everyone getting Eve spectrum

Just don’t expect to see your money or monitor ever again

But it doesn’t affect me since as a prototype tester I already had the monitor when I paid for it

[cursive summit]

Ah the monitor now I remember

That was when she got a 75 Hz one

Even though there were much better ones out there

Yeah idk what goes through the brain of Lana

Whatever it is, it doesn't work

[ashen spindle]

nono she was looking at a 60hz one when on the same site I found two 75hz options that were cheaper than the 60hz one

[cursive summit]

Huh

I think I was pitching a high refresh Iiyama to her

[ashen spindle]

I was only looking at the monitors komplett had to not have to deal with import or whatever

[cursive summit]

Import only matters if it's from UK

[ashen spindle]

and they had in stock options for cheaper and more hz ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cursive summit]

I don't see anything wrong with shipping from anywhere else Europe

[ashen spindle]

I know, I just kept it simple

[cursive summit]

Amazon.de is always cheap as hell

[shadow minnow]

Amazon

Alza >>

[cursive summit]

When you realize Ireland's native shops have massive upmarks

And UK has customs when shipping to Ireland

The only remaining actually cheap and good option is Amazon.de

Or I guess some kind of local second hand markets

[wheat plume]

yep

[cursive summit]

Speaking of the devil

How's your 1660

[wheat plume]

I have a 165Hz one now and one of my 75Hz as my second screen

[cursive summit]

165Hz is cute

Does the 1660 even have 165Hz compatible outputs?

[wheat plume]

yes

minecraft, distance, portal 2 and a lot of other games run that high

[shadow minnow]

Imagine not having two 4k144 screens

[cursive summit]

Ngl

[wheat plume]

144p xd

[cursive summit]

My poor RX 5700 can't do 4K120 of my LG CX

[shadow minnow]

What I really wanna see is 4k240 true 10bpc

[cursive summit]

DP version is too low

[wheat plume]

Fine

still regret now AMD, but thats for if I upgrade

[shadow minnow]

Well there is no DP version that can do 4K120 HDR

[cursive summit]

There is?

[shadow minnow]

Without compression

But with compression it should be able to

[fair gull]

here i sit enjoying my 23 inch 1080p60 and 24inch 1080p60 monitors

[reef patrol]

Sigh... still no solution. It's kind of ridiculous there's no "reinstall all system packages" command like Windows has 😄

[shadow minnow]

Well DP2.0 which I am not sure if it is in any real product yet

Need HDMI 2.1 until that

[cursive summit]

DP 2.0 is old now

And yes it's in a lot of products

[shadow minnow]

Which can get you up to 4k144 10BPC or 4K120 12BPC

[shadow minnow]

Well in no GPU at least

[cursive summit]

And I think I'm mistaken here cause no GPU actually has DP 2.0 yet

That is weird

Maybe next gen

[shadow minnow]

Yeah

Hopefully

Since highest version of DP 2.0 can do 4K240 10BPC without compression

[cursive summit]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13060/asus-pg27uq-gsync-hdr-review/3

Bizarre

[wheat plume]

yup...

[cursive summit]

DP 1.4 can't cope with HDR when 4k120

The more you know

[shadow minnow]

Indeed

[cursive summit]

I mean 98Hz isn't all that bad

[shadow minnow]

Just said it here

[cursive summit]

That's why I had to look it up

And it's true, weirdly

[shadow minnow]

This is a weird time when HDMI 2.1 is actually just better in what it can run

[cursive summit]

I thought DP was superior to HDMI

[ashen spindle]

thats why it has DSC which is visually lossless compression

[shadow minnow]

visually lossless is a marketing word

[ashen spindle]

its also a description of it

[shadow minnow]

But also HDMI 2.1 also has DSC

Which can bring it even further

So it’s still superior in what it can transmit since well higher bandwidth

[cursive summit]

Hm, HDMI 2.1 is also new, started with current gen

[shadow minnow]

If I remember correctly 40gbps version is limited to 4k120 10BPC while 48 can do up to 144 or 12BPC

[cursive summit]

So I suppose DP will catch up and surpass HDMI again soon

[shadow minnow]

Well yes but you can already get it for around two years or so at least

[shadow minnow]

Indeed with DP 2.0

Just has to become available on GPUs

[ashen spindle]

yeah just basically no monitor has hdmi 2.1 so might as well also not exist yet

[cursive summit]

HDMI 2.1 to DP 1.4 converters

[shadow minnow]

Would be nice if the highest version can indeed run 4k240 10bpc

[shadow minnow]

I had my HDMI 2.1 monitor for over a year now

[cursive summit]

Oh jeez that's quite a bit

[shadow minnow]

And there are quite a few now

[shadow minnow]

It will probably have more versions some with less bandwidth

[ashen spindle]

yes I said basically no, not literally no

[shadow minnow]

Well still there are quite a few that have it and take advantage of it which you can get
Well I wouldn’t classify spectrum as monitor you can get

But some lg monitors have it too

And more afaik

Also aorus

There are really quite a few 4k120 or above monitors that have it

And well other monitors don’t have it since it doesn’t matter

Well it also matters for 1440p240 10BPC