🔌│tech

[astral haven]

Pcie USB cards usually work great tho

[shadow minnow]

I love so much when everytime I reboot my computer there is an empty space where one app icon should be

Oh and Intel XTU I am not gonna comment on

Now the issue is even weirder

[shadow minnow]

Lol Microsoft support using chrome

But also instead of fixing my issue my quick assist is now also broken and support person seems to be giving up

[ashen spindle]

wtf are you needing quick assist for

[crimson wigeon]

For the most premium tech support with a very generous lifetime plan

[shadow minnow]

Intel XTU issue

[ashen spindle]

huh

[shadow minnow]

Can’t install/uninstall

[ashen spindle]

use CCleaner or reinstall windows or go through registry and just manually remove it

[shadow minnow]

Well I can’t find any remains of it but when I try to install it again it claims it’s installed lol

It’s not in program files, nor data nor anywhere

[ashen spindle]

so try CCleaner if that works, if not go through the registry to find it

if you cba finding it in the registry just reinstall, will be faster than a support person doing anything

[shadow minnow]

Gonna try

[crimson wigeon]

Process Monitor to see what exactly the installer is poking at to determine whether it's already installed

[ashen spindle]

guess that works too, but it's a bit more technical

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah, when a basic ctrl+f through the registry just won't do because it looks for weird stuff

[ashen spindle]

poor support guy was probably confused and is used to grandpa forgetting how to open mails and such

[shadow minnow]

What do I do in ccleaner?

[ashen spindle]

clean up cache and all that, idk what it can do in the current version tbh, havent used it since win 7

it can clean up some unused stuff in registry as well that might be enough

[crimson wigeon]

Isn't it considered to be malware these days ?

[ashen spindle]

nah hackers got into the servers and added malware to it once

and the obvious fake ones that are malware in disguise

[shadow minnow]

Also my previous issue was that it would fail to install msi package

But Microsoft program install and uninstall changed that

[shadow minnow]

How exactly do I do that?

[fair gull]

just use revouninstaller

pls dont do some ccleaner or procexplorer bs

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah true try all the uninstallers first

[fair gull]

na revo is the best package

it uses the built in uninstaller

and no matter if it worked or not

it searches all files that belong to it and reg entries and lets u delete em

[shadow minnow]

Well issue is that uninstallers after I used the Microsoft thing seem to be unable to find Intel XTU anymore

So I have no way of uninstalling it

Just when I try to install it it says it’s there

[fair gull]

sounds like the folder still exists

[shadow minnow]

But where? It’s not in program files, nor program data

[fair gull]

isnt it in program files x86

[shadow minnow]

It’s not there either

Checked both

Multiple times

Too many times in fact

[fair gull]

no intel folder?

[shadow minnow]

There is Intel folder but no XTU in it

And no intel telemetry in programdata either

[fair gull]

so u tried revo already?

[shadow minnow]

Gonna try it in two minutes just wasn’t next to my pc

[shadow minnow]

It doesn’t see xtu either

Okay

Funny thing

Nvm not what I thought

But I can’t figure it out ngl

[shadow minnow]

So far non of them can detect Intel XTU

[crimson wigeon]

Kay

[fair gull]

does xtu still do the freaky device manager shit?

also if revo doesnt fint it it doesnt have reg keys left that matter for install

whats the exact error you get?

[shadow minnow]

Used to be sth else before

[shadow minnow]

I get this instantly

[halcyon moss]

i hate XTU, its soooo slow

i found an other tuning utility which was easier to use.. to undervolt my cpu

[crimson wigeon]

EXTREME

[halcyon moss]

throttlestop its called

[ashen spindle]

for something so simple might as well just go to uefi and set it there

[fair gull]

not even sure where the bundle would be installed

unless theres a uwp app that autoinstalls

[ashen spindle]

check the appdata folders

[fair gull]

installs to programfiles and programdata

and sets msi package reg keys that its installed

but no folder exists according to bexin

and revo uninstaller doesnt know its installed either

meaning theres no regkey

[shadow minnow]

Well I couldn’t find anything else that can be used to setup that many things without going to bios, also memory timings and iPhone

[shadow minnow]

I did couldn’t find it

[halcyon moss]

might be true.. throttlestop worked for me.

but xtu -_-
Why is it soooo slooooow

[crimson wigeon]

Because it's so extremeandyoushouldtotallybuyabettercpu

[shadow minnow]

So what do I do?

[fair gull]

use ur bios

[ashen spindle]

I mean if you want to use xtu for some reason still you can do a clean install

save you stuff then reinstall win

[shadow minnow]

Well that makes some things take 10 times more time

[misty saffron]

going to send that here too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/552865084431400986/998601475431354469/IMG_0465.mov

is this a grounding issue?
noise from speakers when gpu is under load

[reef patrol]

Sounds like a poorly isolated sound chip. Or if you're using the front speakers.

[grand cloud]

Connecting discord makes all your servers public to wooting kinda privacy issue

[reef patrol]

I mean in theory? Yes. However GDPR protections and all that.
Wooting only uses it for automatic roles assignments and the newsletter for those who want updates.

[ashen spindle]

also in theory you do that by being on this server even without linking it

[grand cloud]

What? I don’t think so

[reef patrol]

Not automatically 😄

But exceptions have been made on occasion for manual roles - which imo is the wrong approach. Fix it and keep using it.

[grand cloud]

For roles reading your user info should be enough no need for what servers do you belong to

[reef patrol]

I don't think you get the choice of only receiving that when using the Discord API

[grand cloud]

You have

[crimson wigeon]

Just don't ask it and check yourself using bot user or whatever whether user is in guild

Easy

[reef patrol]

Well feel free to offer your #archived_feed_us_back

[fair gull]

I think this is being worked on

as i send them a tip on how to get rid of the server list requirement

[shadow minnow]

@crimson wigeon process monitor shows ton of stuff how do I find out the relevant stuff about why is it not working?

[crimson wigeon]

First filter it to the installer's process only to clear out the crap, and then you can filter to only show stuff like readfile, createfile, regquerywhatever etc

[shadow minnow]

Still there are 1000s of things

[crimson wigeon]

Yes it'll poke at a lot, but basically you'll just want to track down what registry keys it's looking at and probably delete them, same with files..
just don't delete anything essential!

[shadow minnow]

Well I am not very experienced with windows stuff or stuff like this in general tbh so idk what’s really essential and what’s not

[crimson wigeon]

Look at whether the path has something like "Intel" or "XTU" idk

If you want

[ashen spindle]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/07/linux-distro-for-apple-silicon-macs-is-already-up-and-running-on-the-brand-new-m2/ hey look, now m2 can be used

[fair gull]

cant use igpu afaik

or well not use it well

[crimson wigeon]

Software rendering is all one needs

Apple silicon is just that good!

[empty wren]

So Yuri?

[cursive summit]

I don't at all mind the psychological horror one

[crimson wigeon]

Not really wrong

[empty wren]

does it have a nude hentai purson as the boot screen or something

[stark bobcat]

users doing tags is a great idea

[empty wren]

Ah so that is what it is

[cursive summit]

Honestly

VR is definitely a psychological horror for our brains

The poor grey matter cells and neurons trying to make sense out of all of that

Inb4 they'll get fried by brain interfaces soon

[empty wren]

Turned out actually good for a starter print

[fair gull]

how did u fix the sticking

[empty wren]

I just print hot tony and real slow like I said on the bottom layer

Look into the slicer some time

Also if you stuff ain't sticking you could lower the zoffset a bit more

[ashen spindle]

no deckard announcement during steam vr fest launch, lets hope we get something during the week

[crimson wigeon]

ha ha as if

[misty saffron]

any good .sql file viewers for windows?

dbs in question are 40gb

reddit says dbeaver

[misty saffron]

can't even open a 1gb file...

[shadow minnow]

Rn even xmp isn’t fully stable for me great

[fair gull]

just import it into a new thin sql db

idk if navicat can view sql files

*of that size

[astral haven]

Happy times

[shadow minnow]

Gotta love how on windows if you keep a game running for two hours without doing anything it just crashes due to an error

How do people daily drive this OS?

I mean ngl partially I am joking but some issues I have had so far.. especially some unresolvable ones, or well one.

For me getting arround isn’t the really bad part just the constant issues that keep occurring are really annoying me. Much prefer using MacBook for well anything but gaming

And well trying to OC ram is a way to waste a time but after I noticed some games crash even with basic XMP uh I am reconsidering even tying that too

[astral haven]

you intentionally bought a pc designed around using a graphics card
then didnt buy a graphics card
now intel is pretty rude for just ignoring their many many igpu driver issues, however you still should be using a gpu
especially if you are overclocking ram

microscopic instabilities get highly amplified by running the igpu

[shadow minnow]

Well I will get a GPU but with the current situation, like if these prices were year ago I would have gotten a GPU but now that new GPUs are so close

And well at least the last GPU drivers fixed windowed/full screen windowed apps not taking up screen as they should

[astral haven]

point is intel igpu drivers are kinda unpleasant

[astral haven]

god its so nice

[junior ore]

whew, 240 hz

[empty wren]

Best I can do huh well I will take it

Reasonable sacrifice I guess for a stiff held bed.

[timid chasm]

why not the G9?

[astral haven]

i already have another 4k monitor

and id also need to figure out how to mount it

also its higher resolution than the g9

and cheaper

[timid chasm]

oh 4k missed that

too much horsepower needed for me

[empty wren]

Probably too much to even able to run modern games at that resolution let alone match monitor hz

[timid chasm]

I got a 3090 not being used lol but fuck trying to micromanage game settings. Mostly what I use my stuff for is gaming anymore

[astral haven]

the list of games I enjoy is very short and the only ones that cant hit 240 at 4k are gonna be doom, vr games, and frame limited games

most source games have a 300 fps cap and hit it

[empty wren]

Still must be nice for web browsing though, and productivity

[empty wren]

Right csgo

[astral haven]

not csgo

csgo cant hold 240 any more

[empty wren]

interesting

[astral haven]

you need to be running competitive res to hit that sort of framerate in the modern game

but i dont enjoy csgo i just play it so whatevs

[empty wren]

Those people also lower other options as well

[timid chasm]

I don't enjoy it I just play it, haha

Might I recommend League as well

[astral haven]

4k at lowest settings you wont hit 240

playing cs just makes me apathetic

[empty wren]

Real question, can it run crysis

[astral haven]

i actually havent tried yet lol

im not even sure crysis will run at 4k240

[crimson wigeon]

Absolutely not happening, maybe just maybe the remastered ver. can do that though

[astral haven]

i mean like set the monitor to that resolution in fullscreen mode

[crimson wigeon]

That should definitely be possible

[astral haven]

you must be kidding me

[crimson wigeon]

omegalul

[empty wren]

Wtf

Wow

[astral haven]

do i actually need to crack this game i paid for?

[empty wren]

That seems like a drm lock been awhile since I seen one in that caliber

Though weird sicne you have it on steam

And probably running it on one pc

Well that is unfortunate ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[astral haven]

i installed it on a previous windows install i might need to delete and reinstall

[empty wren]

Ah ah

[reef patrol]

Yes.

[astral haven]

hmm
according to the steam workshop it is x64 vs 32b something or other
investigating further

Yup that was it

God 2007

The clouds are soo gooood

And the plane is so blindingly low res

[reef patrol]

Crysis was an amazing game... until they had to introduce aliens. Then I was out.

[astral haven]

Dang I'm close to 200 fps

Dropped to medium and my 1% is over 240

[empty wren]

2007

[empty wren]

Engine is good too

Really made me happy to see Prey use it in combination with unity and epic for specific aspects of the game

[astral haven]

What lmao

[empty wren]

Maybe I am wrong but I remember reading prey used unreal or physics for example

But cryengine for lighting ect

Maybe I conjubaled it together with the fact Typhon hunter and I think moon crash run on unreal

[astral haven]

Prey is exclusively Id tech

its all from doom 2016

there is no way

[empty wren]

Hmm

[astral haven]

well shit

just launched it and it is cryengine

[empty wren]

Wait you mean 2006

Cuz you are right about that one

But yeah cryengine on the reboot

[astral haven]

its not a reboot

its a new unrelated game that stole the title

anyways the most impressive game ive seen visually so far besides spaceengine is hunt showdown

and hunt is def on cryengine

i mean alyx is visiaully impressive but not to the level of hunt showdown

[empty wren]

Alynx feels like valve did some tweaking but still is pretty bare acceptable on VR I guess

[empty wren]

Interesting

[astral haven]

did you play it?

[empty wren]

No sadly, a buddy was gonna invite me but never did and COVID happened😏

[astral haven]

the game is very close to overdetailed

[empty wren]

Alright I will take your word for it, maybe I should holler him up to see the fuss some time

I know controls were good

[astral haven]

it is best played blind start to finish

all i can say is that i will never have as good a gaming experience as that again

[empty wren]

IEYTD is not so long but it is a good vr experience too

[empty wren]

I would say that about Subnautica in VR for now

[astral haven]

i had friday and saturday off (work on sunday)
I started thursday night and finished it mid -late saturday

what did you play it in?

[empty wren]

Which game?

[astral haven]

subnautica

[empty wren]

Oculus dk2

[astral haven]

oh god

i meant vr

[empty wren]

Keep in mind this was back in VR infancy

[astral haven]

dk2 is a 3d hmd

not a vr headset

[empty wren]

😏 whatever

[astral haven]

🤮

[empty wren]

I guess I never owned one

But used a quest and quest 2 all buddies

Oh and I did use a vive at the university

But that was ago

[astral haven]

yea i tried out a dk1 from a friend back in 14? 13?
was not great
I got a cv1 in 2016? 2017?
used that quite a bit,
but the jump from cv1 to index was astronomical

[empty wren]

Ah you got an index

Pretty top of the consumer lime

[astral haven]

yep

[empty wren]

Though I do not like lcd vr trend

I get why it was done

[astral haven]

there are maaaaaaaany reasons
but my new monitor is proof that oled isnt nescessary

[empty wren]

Look to be fair your monitor is far far away

In the daylight okay oled is eh for dark stuff

[astral haven]

and in the dark its bad for dark stuff

[empty wren]

Is it

[astral haven]

oled is only good for bright stuff in the dark

[empty wren]

Or do you mean black crush

[astral haven]

no i mean fall times

[empty wren]

Huh

[astral haven]

black crush is a software problem basically

but the amount of time it takes for a pixel to move from 10% to 0% is very very very slow on oled

its basically like va but you cant strobe to get rid of it

[empty wren]

Fair enough

[astral haven]

also oled isnt anywhere near bright enough for vr

[empty wren]

For me it was okay

But alright sure it could be brighter

[astral haven]

ah

but

to be that bright you had to have about 1ms of motion blur

you can calculate that from max brightness (lets assume 1600 for peak oled technology right now)
at 90hz, 1600 nits turns into 144 nits

[empty wren]

Yikes

[astral haven]

the cv1 was more like 90 nits and the panel was very very overdriven

and thats at 1ms response

[empty wren]

If I recall correctly the dk2 used an overdriven s5 panel too

[astral haven]

the index is 1/3 the blur and is still slightly brighter at around 120 nits

[empty wren]

Also no black crush

[astral haven]

.33ms
quest is about identical

again black crush is a software issue

[empty wren]

Alright alright

[astral haven]

well it can be fixed by software

[empty wren]

But I did not see it on the quest 2

[astral haven]

ya

[empty wren]

Okay to be clear black crush and purple smear are the same right?

[astral haven]

negatory

[empty wren]

Oh alright

[astral haven]

purple smear is bad fall times

[empty wren]

Ah okay that is what you meant

Never heard said that way

[astral haven]

black crush is when dark objects vanish into blackness

[empty wren]

Alright we are on the same page now

[astral haven]

👍

black crush is compensatable
the purple smear is technological limitation

[empty wren]

Yep yep

[astral haven]

might not happen to qdoled

[empty wren]

Hmm

[astral haven]

come to think of it tho i havent noticed it on my phone?

[empty wren]

Purple smear?

[astral haven]

yea

[empty wren]

What you gotta do is get some black theme

[astral haven]

done

[empty wren]

And get to a picture of slightly grey

[astral haven]

scrolling up and down on discord at minimum brightness it isnt doing it

[empty wren]

And scroll with lowlikw brightness

Hold up

Be right back

[astral haven]

ok found it

[astral haven]

scrolling on lagom black level causes it

[empty wren]

Scroll

Wcroll

[empty wren]

Alright

[astral haven]

this actually isnt dark enough funny enough

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php

[empty wren]

Oh that bad

Even works on high brightness

[astral haven]

yeowch

[empty wren]

To be fair this phone was never really that bright

[astral haven]

yea this phone does 1600 nits lel

its no slouch

[empty wren]

Mine is like peak 400 I think

Or something like that

[astral haven]

no way

what phone??

[empty wren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯pixel 3 xl

[astral haven]

yea not possible

pixel 3 regular does 600 in sunlight mode

[empty wren]

Maybe I am wrong no idea

But display mate said like 424

[empty wren]

Ah hdr

[astral haven]

405 fullscreen for the xl
680 nits hdr

yea

the oled itself is determined by the peak hdr luminance

[empty wren]

Hate that shit honestly cannot turn brightness down

If hdr is playing

[astral haven]

get rekt use a better app

[empty wren]

You are right

But YouTube screws me over thankfully I barely use it anymore

Netflix good implementation

Disney + is bad pretty sure they repackaged the media

[astral haven]

ive got brightness control on youtube in hdr 😛

[empty wren]

That seems useful

[astral haven]

get a better youtube app lmao

[empty wren]

Are you not using stock?

[astral haven]

ofc not

[empty wren]

I see

Probably Vanced or something

[astral haven]

yap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74TAV9rnU10
and this is such an impressive hdr video

[empty wren]

I remember in the past I used modded apps, Kik especially when it is at a high.

[astral haven]

el fancy monitor does in fact beat my phone at hdr in that video
even tho its 1600 nits oled vs technically 1015 nit lcd (it actually does 2400 peak)

[pale sigil]

https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/ic-kbd-d60-lite-x-epbt-acid-house-sweet-girl-keycaps

Bruh, am I the only one who assumes this came with caps

Even the url

[empty wren]

Sweet girl huh

What is next

[empty wren]

Yeah sorry you pay premium sweetheart

Imagine expecting keycaps to come with it

[astral haven]

Pbt is just a material
The case is probably pbt right?

[reef patrol]

Not at that price, no. But the URL is definitely deceiving.

[empty wren]

Poly abby

Is the material it seems

Which is so common

[empty wren]

did not see that before

[reef patrol]

Still kind of bummed the 60HE doesn't have any way to plug in RGB 😄

[empty wren]

EPBT does produce pbt keyxsps though

[empty wren]

Just rewoure extra spacebar light to strips cuz keyboard ain't a ducky spacebar one

[empty wren]

Honestly not surprised, qdled is so bright when I saw it in samsclub

[pale sigil]

Forgot how toxic the keyboard community is on discord

Ask a simple question and get memed on

[empty wren]

What did you ask

[pale sigil]

Was just double checking and then went to say my bad and that I simply read the url at the time vs read desc admitting to my fault

Then they joked about it with other examples mocking me

[reef patrol]

[empty wren]

Sigh

[pale sigil]

You can with a but of motivation

[pale sigil]

What colours are these

[reef patrol]

It's a shitty website - Just look at how much fucking text this page has that isn't relevant at first. And how far down the clarification is.

[empty wren]

Also why call it keycaps as well

[pale sigil]

Their excuse being it's s Collab with keycaps

Which is kinda fair

[empty wren]

Is that someone

[pale sigil]

Anyway what color pallet is that caseeeee

It's a Collab with the keycaps design

Sweet girl

[reef patrol]

Hmm... marshmellow? soft? I don't have a good name for it.

[pale sigil]

Pink? Blue?

[reef patrol]

Baby blue/pink?

[pale sigil]

Ok Doki

Still tempted

For the 60he

[empty wren]

Donthey have link to like an ummmm

[reef patrol]

The only way I can see it happening is light strips completely separate from the PCB with an additional USB cable for power and control. You could probably latch onto the PCB for the LED info...but you'd still need more power.

[pale sigil]

There's a 60% case

[empty wren]

Keyboard forum.thread

If you can find it bettcha colors are on there

[pale sigil]

Wonder if I could flip the pcb though

Never used mech market

[empty wren]

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=112022.0 lacking color keys

Anywho might have to ask on their discord

[empty wren]

Ah yes magic keyboard style

[pale sigil]

@empty wren I'd rather buy knock off than wait, ive looked into it and the keycaps are pretty rare now

That's why I hopes the keyboard came with caps

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/1005003389677904.html?spm=a2g0n.productlist.0.0.2e9bbPwObPwOLv&browser_id=077799aff2e244c7807be2cc9cea9a59&aff_trace_key=&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=001182158ce3c61224b362224dcf978018d8f1dade&gclid=&pdp_npi=2%40dis!GBP!!35.16!!!!!%40212c9bf916582189304227597efb35!12000025673978773!sea&algo_pvid=865b09bc-2e94-49e4-b912-bd61253c0428

[reef patrol]

https://aliexpress.com/item/1005003389677904.html

[pale sigil]

Failed

[reef patrol]

That IS an awesome keycap set.

Though I can't tell if it ships with hiragana or roman letters.

Oh! It's an option. So not used to using Ali xD

[pale sigil]

I'll prob just buy these then

Also check Desc

[empty wren]

Honestly though some copycats have done well

Like akko

[pale sigil]

Most copycats are alright but these are renders

Have to look at the reviews

[empty wren]

There are none on AliExpress

[empty wren]

Obviously you get cyrilic

[reef patrol]

I'd sooner grab Hangul at that point tbh xD

[pale sigil]

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/1005003357902430.html?spm=a2g0n.productlist.0.0.2e9brMuOrMuO5u&browser_id=077799aff2e244c7807be2cc9cea9a59&aff_trace_key=&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=00118215926ecfb034444b225dc550810de6bef776&gclid=&pdp_npi=2%40dis!GBP!!29.09!!!!!%402100bddd16582192935355781e6ad2!12000025383637987!sea&algo_pvid=86afebc9-88e9-436d-b5a5-ea322110996d

Some listings have reviews

I just grabbed the first one for the sake of showing

[empty wren]

Well so long as you do not have center ocd

Worth going for

Not very confident in the arrow keys though

[pale sigil]

I was tempted to just buy a new whole akko board like my 65%

Re use the case and keycaps

[cursive summit]

https://github.com/GPUOpen-Drivers/AMDVLK/releases/tag/v-2022.Q3.1

Whatever this is

Ah Vulkan drivers for AMD machines running Linux, I suppose

[crimson wigeon]

Not what you want to use anyway

[vocal cipher]

tbh, that always challenges any ideas of buying switches or keycaps alone for me. There is always an Akko keyboard which has good keycaps and switches at the price of keycaps or switches alone...

[pale sigil]

https://twitter.com/SnazzyQ/status/1549239444233912321?t=cu3069itAhgVi1rRq9m8Hg&s=19

Quinn Nelson (@SnazzyQ)

@LinusTech Steam Deck is overrated.

Likes

390

Twitter · Jul 19, 2022, 3:47 AM

Powerful bait

[ashen spindle]

I agree

it's good but still overrated

[jovial widget]

I've been having this issue in some games where the axes don't behave properly in DirectInput mode. The positive range works just fine but the negative range just goes on/off. Could it be that the game expects an 8 bit value? I recall my old joysticks and gamepad having an 8 bit output. The keyboard seems to give a signed 16 bit output.

[ashen spindle]

#archived_helpdesk_for_keyboards is the place for that, the smart brains that might understand whats going on usually check out the support channels for those things

[jovial widget]

So you're basically telling me to ask Rocky then? 🙂

[ashen spindle]

haha yes either him or if simon/jeroen are around

[cursive summit]

It's good and probably a new staple of this half of the decades revolutionary tech

Is it like, great though? Doubtful

Steam deck that is

Valve made PC handheld gaming actually relevant and affordable

Tbf you could have streamed your games to a handheld probably for years now

[ashen spindle]

it's a great step in terms of convenience and humans are lazy so convenience is important for these things even if it was possible before

[jovial widget]

I was thinking it was more of a speculative theory than a specific issue, but asking the high wizards is probably the way to go.

[ashen spindle]

well even if its not an actual issue it sounds like it could be turned into a feature perhaps if the software can improve it

[jovial widget]

If my theory is correct, then yes. In that case it would be very useful.

[digital ore]

i need help

[ashen spindle]

#archived_fortnite_double_movement

[cursive summit]

https://www.ghacks.net/2022/07/17/facebook-has-started-to-encrypt-links-to-counter-privacy-improving-url-stripping/

[frozen ingot]

zucc the data rapist

[shadow minnow]

Funny considering how far that site is from complying with GDPR

[ashen spindle]

taking a note form apple, make sure you are the only one getting the data and protect it so you are the one who gets more worth

[ashen spindle]

given I cant find a raspberry pi anywhere without waiting months, is a roku stick a decent alternative to get youtube running on someones tv lol

[cursive summit]

Why not Shield

[halcyon moss]

or chromecast

unless you want on device control

or a smart tv!

well, a shield is also not cheap :p

[ashen spindle]

well thge roku is 18 bucks atm and I like something that doesnt have alexa or smth in it

well do they do anything over roku? since I think they are not as cheap atm

[halcyon moss]

i think a roku is a good option

cheap and supports a lot of things

[cursive summit]

Fire stick is also alright

But then again, Amazon bs included

[halcyon moss]

roku is not available in NL apparently

[ashen spindle]

yeah it seems like the best cheap thing to me for parents or such that you cant tell how to use a pc for streaming to it and as pi's are still mia cant tinker around that

[ashen spindle]

well I'll report back if the roku works fine later this week then

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1549296784865992704 noting new but I need more deckard copium

Brad Lynch ➡️ Steam VR Fest Bunker (@SadlyItsBradley)

Valve was awarded the patent that includes the “VCR lens concept”

Can’t wait to watch Wayne’s World 2

Twitter · Jul 19, 2022, 7:35 AM

[reef patrol]

https://twitter.com/josephfcox/status/1549399580780920832

Joseph Cox (@josephfcox)

New: recently BMW announced plans to charge a subscription for heated seats. We spoke to the grey market hackers prepared to bypass that lock, and who already remotely access BMWs to permanently unlock features as more cars move to a subscription model https://t.co/uTUvCDzPbr

Twitter · Jul 19, 2022, 2:23 PM

Jailbreaking to the rescue

[fair gull]

hehe cox

[frozen ingot]

good

crash their entire system

greedy cunts

[vocal cipher]

I hope they go bankrupt

[reef patrol]

That'd only make things worse - less competition on the market.

[junior ore]

a streaming handheld could theoretically work, but would defeat the whole purpose of it being mobile honestly.

also stream-gaming isn't exactly there yet. sure it can work and the foundation is there but it isn't a suitable replacement enough yet for proper hardware.

[astral haven]

My phone is mobile and can stream from anywhere

As long as it has n++ and vvvvvv and risk of rain natively I don't care if everything else only works when I've got cell service

[junior ore]

well yeah, thats not much super demanding.

but some people are wanting a lot more than that. also, like. those things you jsut have on your phone. don't need to stream them.

[astral haven]

Risk of rain?

It gets laggy on a 9900k and 2080ti lol
Won't be a pleasant experience on phone

[junior ore]

how the hell could Risk of Rain lag on a 2080ti?!

trying to run it on 480hz 8K monitor?

or did you simply mob farm to the point the engine died from too many objects?

[astral haven]

This

[junior ore]

that'll happen to any hardware lol

[astral haven]

A gaming focused device will do better than a phone

The steam deck isn't far off a 9900k in 1t throughout

[junior ore]

what, you mean just the cpu?

[astral haven]

1t perf

[junior ore]

1t perf?

[astral haven]

1 thread of sequential data that can't be run out of order

So like the main thread for a poorly optimized game

[junior ore]

okay so you are saying same single thread performance wise?

[astral haven]

Yes
But not fake st where it's a multithread application running on one logical core
I mean real 1t

[junior ore]

okay sure but why should that trump other matters of performance comparisons?

[astral haven]

Because gaming focused processors win at that over all other types of processor

[junior ore]

okay and is the i9 also an APU?

(I don't believe it is)

[astral haven]

The 9900k beats all of epyc, all of epyc, and all of arm at that metric

[astral haven]

Lol
It is just not a great one

And also hawt

[junior ore]

okay but i ultimately don't care so much about single thread performance and I don't think it ultimately applies much to modern/future gaming like it used to. I can double check if modern games are still running single thread which they might but I'd ahve to check again

okay then so

when we compare these for actual gamging

only one of them is goign to run the game :P

well, an intensive enough game* like.

its not really fair comparing a CPU and an APU

for gaming purposes because they ahve different purposes

[astral haven]

It will always apply
And that's the point
For streaming the hardware is irrelevant as long as it has a decode block
For those simple games, you need the high speed cores

[astral haven]

You entirely missed the point

[junior ore]

ah you mean for streaming

well yeah

[astral haven]

No

For gaming direct on the device

[junior ore]

no i'm saying i agree, for streaming

[stark bobcat]

Apu is the term amd uses afaik

[junior ore]

anyways my earlier point on game streaming was internet infrastructure based.

it doesn't work as well on the move

[astral haven]

The point is the 9900k and Van Gogh are about the same 1t perf
And that's why a steam deck rolls a phone in gaming in a non graphically intense

[junior ore]

okay

[astral haven]

Which is why the processor actually matters
But aiming for high bandwidth processors is physically going to use more electricity
That's why arm won't win at gaming until it basically is x86 in terms of isa completeness
Low latency (which is the leading factor of 1t perf) doesn't need much bandwidth

[junior ore]

i never said the CPU didn't matter

i'm saying it wont matter what hardware you have for streaming if its in mobile format ; you would need really really solid data plan to take it outside the house, assuming your house had good wifi.

and also was within covered range of the data plan*

[astral haven]

You'd be surprised how affordable data is if you have income

1 big purchase is alot harder than a small purchase and a monthly payment

And often you have unlimited data

[chrome estuary]

it was easier to buy dad's laptop with a monthly payment option through amazon than pay 1500$ out right.

[junior ore]

aye but the connection has to be stable. clear.

[astral haven]

Yep and a streaming service upgrades itself over time

[junior ore]

this si true. netcodes for these things do improve over time.

[astral haven]

You would be surprised on the sort of connection GeForce now is a pleasant experience on now...

[junior ore]

I mentioned the foundation was there. I was saying it isn' viable yet.

probably but I never got much into nvidia stuff.

i also hadn't used an nvidia product since they last scammed me on a video card and lost that civil lawsuit.

[chrome estuary]

1070?

[crimson wigeon]

3.5 GiB on the 970

[chrome estuary]

shit yeah 970, i don't know why my brain went for the 1070

alright ngl, i kinda want an amazon astro

[astral haven]

Yea the 970 was a too good to be true gpu

[junior ore]

yup it was the 970

i had gotten it

[astral haven]

I'm really shocked that people were surprised that they didn't just get a 980 for 200 less

[junior ore]

don't know what you mean by 980 for 200 less

[astral haven]

550 vs 320 usd
Basically same power usage and within 10% performance of a 980

There's gotta be some downside...
And that downside was only apparent at 4k which even the 980 couldn't run...

[stark bobcat]

well wouldn't that also be dependent on distance

[astral haven]

Anyways even this dumpsterheap of jitter and latency is still a good experience on gfn

And I'm well over 100 miles from an nv datacenter

[stark bobcat]

sorry I don't understand fake measurement units

[astral haven]

Ms of ping?

[stark bobcat]

miles

[chrome estuary]

oh no i can't handle numbers not divisible by 10

[stark bobcat]

yes

[astral haven]

Over 100 miles is over 100 km lol
But alot

[stark bobcat]

well 100km isn't rly that large of a distance tbh

[chrome estuary]

isn't that like most of some of europe's countries?

[astral haven]

It's alot for latency added to this sort of horrific jitter

[chrome estuary]

i mean like half the distance of

[stark bobcat]

I usually commute about 140km every week and I live in europe

[astral haven]

Well it's further than that
Dunno how much and I'm not gonna dox myself by being exact

[chrome estuary]

i travel 100km every day roughly.

that's just back and forth to work with maybe a stop at a store.

[stark bobcat]

ye 100km rly isn't that far

even in europe

[astral haven]

Perks of living in a micro town lol
I commute 2km (crow flies) daily in the us

[chrome estuary]

i'd love to live closer to town.
faster internet, better services, less of a commute.

[astral haven]

There's a new plan for symmetrical 5gbps fiber now in our area 🤤

[chrome estuary]

ugh

that's sickening

[astral haven]

It's $190/month

[chrome estuary]

i get about 8mbps here for 50/m roughly

[astral haven]

Oh God
My phone is about that when indoors...

[chrome estuary]

i can't use my phone where i live, no cell service

[astral haven]

Have you considered building an antenna?

[chrome estuary]

not exactly, partially because i'm not sure how to go about doing that for my cellular service and because i just don't care enough.

[astral haven]

Fair enough
You just buy the antenna and mount it to a corner of the house nearest a tower
You then either run to a modem or a cell repeater
Tuning takes a while but often you can get insane speeds (for wireless)

[junior ore]

wait why would they make the 980 200 dollars less?

980 would be, like, suppose to be higher performance.

[astral haven]

The 970 = 980 - 1 slice of memory controller for $200 fewer dollars
The 970 is cheaper

[junior ore]

ah i think you were saying it was basically a 980, for 200 less, not that the 980 was 200 less than a 970.

[astral haven]

Obviously

[junior ore]

not if accidentally read too literal.

[astral haven]

Nope, you may have missed a word tho

Definetly could have added some punctuation for ease of understanding, but it was fully gramatical

[junior ore]

no worries

[ashen spindle]

man j2z really went from a watercooling channel that I'd probably look at if I'd get watercooling to useless clickbait with not substance

[crimson wigeon]

ACTUALLY MAD

[reef patrol]

Whaddya mean WENT?

[ashen spindle]

well when I looked around for watercooling stuff some 8 years ago or so I think I saw one video from him that was decent

ok to be clear I also remember other dumb stuff he recently posted but now it's just straight up click bait bs xD

[fading wing]

That's the YT game now. You got to clickbait to get the views.

[ashen spindle]

I'm somewhat fine with that if its at least good/fun/relevant content

I get having to play the algorithm

I dont like clickbait videos and knowing he yells about stuff thats wrong

[junior ore]

youtube kept changing how the platform and formulas work. so its just gotta go the way it is to get anywhere.

in terms of the thumbnail designing*

[astral haven]

They actually don't
It's just the meta evolves over time...

[cursive summit]

Oof that is.. quite the FPS

We went from "rather playable" to "Bring out the fast refresh rate monitors" 4K

[astral haven]

Dlss probably not quality

[ashen spindle]

and as I said I'm more disappointed in the dumb stuff he says about things so that its clickbait that works and then explains bs

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i5-13600k-es3-raptor-lake-14-core-cpu-tested-in-cpu-z-and-cinebench

260$ currently for a 12600

Add maybe, 20% inflation tax?

[reef patrol]

https://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/1549464843987599361?t=nFoqzJvnz49ZFN4W4Wn-pw&s=19

The Register (@TheRegister)

Google, Oracle cloud servers wilt in UK heatwave, take down websites https://t.co/1WjxQMLVvR

Twitter · Jul 19, 2022, 6:43 PM

Welp

[cursive summit]

330$ about for 14 cores of Raptor Lake is VERY spicy

I might buy an Intel CPU if Ryzen 4 sucks for the first time in my life

[ashen spindle]

so dead platform vs one that might be alive as long as am4?

[cursive summit]

Yeah AM5 is compelling

But early Ryzen 4 results are not tbf

[ashen spindle]

they are pretty much expected results which makes zen5 even better looking since that is supposed to be a new uarch like zen3 was a big rework

amd doing intels tick-tock

[cursive summit]

Yeah Zen 5 will be really good I bet

[ashen spindle]

without 14nm jokes

[cursive summit]

But when chiplet GPUs though

[astral haven]

Zen4 3d is gonna be a gaming monster

[ashen spindle]

and likely coming this year still

[cursive summit]

Supposedly a few months after Zen 4

Which would put it around November/December

[astral haven]

Rocket is probably gonna be a better all-rounder tho
I am foreseeing problems with x670...

[cursive summit]

September launch and October availability for Zen 4 and RDNA3 is interesting though

[ashen spindle]

you mean raptor not rocket hopefully

[cursive summit]

Mostly interested in what pricing will AMD pursue

[astral haven]

Oh God yea

[cursive summit]

5600X was kinda overpriced at launch, now it's 200$ as it should

Will 7600X be 250$ or more, that is the question

I'd be fine with 250$, maybe 280 but will they make it good enough to be over 300

[ashen spindle]

5600x had no competition on launch and amd was short on supply so high prices were the result

if intel has something then prices will be better on launch

[cursive summit]

Well it seems AMD's launching first again

Intel should follow up quickly

[ashen spindle]

yeah but remember zen3 was followed by rocket not alder

so they had a long time before actual competition

[cursive summit]

I'm hoping Intel finally made their big little not suck for Raptor

[astral haven]

Alder is already pretty strong...

Little cores are rather bandwidth starved but still work fine

[ashen spindle]

the AVX mess is shit though

[astral haven]

Yea that's a shame
But the perf speaks for itself

Should have had more phi style cores :P

[ashen spindle]

I just hate they show it as killer feature, it gets hate (maybe deserved, maybe not) then gets stopped then comes back

how tf do you expect people to add it if you randomly drop it one generation

[astral haven]

It's on mobile

[ashen spindle]

yeah but if they cant decide if they want desktop to have it or not, with messaging changing, then limitations to fuse it off later when it worked in first runs

might as well just not trust them and ignore it lol

[astral haven]

Hopefully amd will add it to some extent

[ashen spindle]

they are, I think we also know what exactly they are adding to zen4

I just dont remember it but it was said somewhere

it was 512 parts that are used in video upscaling and such

[astral haven]

Hopefully it's not just vnni
Foundation and memory ops at a very minimum...

[ashen spindle]

oh its most of them it looks like https://twitter.com/HansDeVriesNL/status/1454025358022516736

Hans de Vries 🌻💙💛🌻 (@HansDeVriesNL)

ZEN 4 and AVX512 🙂

Likes

102

Twitter · Oct 29, 2021, 10:00 AM

[astral haven]

That's about par
Not bad at all!

[ashen spindle]

avx? not at all

[shadow minnow]

So is ram 1.6 SA 1.4 IO2 1.35 safe on RKL and b die?

On gear 1 possible timings seem to scale way more with voltages

For me

But don’t want to go to far

Some say it’s safe for daily but idk

[ashen spindle]

well, assuming there is a ryzen 3 thats not an APU put on desktop it's going to be the same chiplet still

and even then I dont think they would remove it as that's a good selling point for laptop chips vs the "AI engine" from apple and stuff

and from the looks its not even taking up as much space anymore as the first intel implementation so I don't see why they would segment it

[shadow minnow]

Killing this cpu wouldn’t be nice

[ashen spindle]

go ask bz on his next stream

[shadow minnow]

I am already known for murdering 11900Ks

[ashen spindle]

day 2, still no deckard, surely we get deckard from steam during this vr fest week still

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-sad-pepe-crying-pepe-the-pepe-gif-21617046

[empty wren]

Wtf

[cursive summit]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/19/23270164/meta-augmented-reality-facebook-lawsuit

[empty wren]

Cringe

[lone nimbus]

https://wooting.store/collections/air-freight-upgrade

Lmao

[mild dome]

IRC Intel's first chips with AVX 512 had to massively downclock themselves when working with AVX512 causing performance issues for mixed workloads. Unless the core was saddled with 100% AVX512 then the core would be switching between workloads slowing non-AVX512 down a lot. Which meant that an instruction set meant to accelerate workloads often slowed down all others. I imagine newer architecture and windows scheduling changes fixed this eventually

https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-i-hope-intels-avx-512-dies-a-painful-death/

[astral haven]

thats not true

intels second generation had to downclock for avx512

the first generation never clocked high at all 🤣

[mild dome]

RIPIP

[astral haven]

and scheduling didnt change anything
the ooe engine on the cpus just improved

[astral haven]

this is what avx512 allows
this is a particle sim that runs about as well on an 8 core part with avx512 compared to a 64 core part without

Point is it has it's uses, and the downsides of having it are mostly either outdated or incorrect

[mild dome]

To be fair on Linus, he said that in 2019, when people were trying to figure avx512 out . A lot changes in 2 years tech wise

[astral haven]

2019 is really not that long ago

[chrome estuary]

Eons ago.

[astral haven]

And there were people who had figured avx512 out in 2015

[chrome estuary]

Only immortals remember back that far

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/elrond-lotr-lord-of-the-tings-lord-elrond-3000years-gif-13229890

[chrome estuary]

Thank you mansen that's perfect

[astral haven]

It's really easy to see how sse was an improvement over mmx
And avx over sse
Avx512 is a bigger improvement
Obviously the first few attempts aren't gonna be fantastic

[reef patrol]

From what my ignorant brain comprehends a lot of folks don't like AVX512 cause it isn't a CPU wide boost, and other applications will suffer from lower core speeds while one such task is running.

So your entire system suffers for it as a whole, unless your entire system is about doing specifically AVX512 thing.

[astral haven]

So your game lags while running downloads
That already happens...

The advantage is the lag is either less or the game downloads faster

[astral haven]

The only problem is for programmers, if they want to use avx512 they need to run more than 1 or 2 instructions

But you are already running repetitive tasks because that's what simd is for, so make your entire subtask avx512 based and you'll finish it real quick and get back to your other more linear processing

[misty saffron]

i’m not sure who at intel even thought it’s a good idea

programs should only check if AVX512 instructions are available, not if the cpu is shit and would make everything else slow

unless they added a new cpu feature flag called “AVX512 but it fucks everything else”

[vocal cipher]

for those who are using ¨global protect¨ to connect to their work network on macos: https://rakhesh.com/powershell/vpn-client-over-riding-dns-on-macos/

you need to configure your routing table too, but it's not enough, it still keeps using work networks dns server, and that logs your local computer traffic too... that's why the link

I don't know if anybody needs it, but it was extremely annoying for me so wanted to share if anyone needs 😄

[shadow minnow]

So is running b die ram at 1.6v and RKL cpu at SA 1.4 IO2 1.35 safe for daily?

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle you hyped for the steam dickard deckard?

[shadow minnow]

Also smh my pc now doesn’t enter bios half of the times even when pressing delete

[cursive summit]

Why people wouldn't be

Valve releases revolutionary tech

I'm scared for Deckard's pricing

Like just making the VR goggles part is hella expensive, but they are slapping a PC that'll run the games by itself on top of that

[ashen spindle]

Where does that question randomly come from

[ashen spindle]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/13/23209784/intel-law-students-12th-gen-processor-bar-exam-examplify-examsoft

[reef patrol]

Surprising no one.

[wheat plume]

Why do earphones comes in the Pixel box only in France?

[wheat plume]

🤔

[thick elk]

Well they changed that law at leat

[frozen ingot]

good job, force manufactuers to put more cheap shitty landfill accessories in every devices box

[thick elk]

it was due to fear of radio frequencies.

[wheat plume]

???

5G bad?

bt bad?

[thick elk]

Way before 5g but yea something like that. WIth phones being held against your head having more radiation

[wheat plume]

France wanted people to answer phone calls by plugging the earphones in and keeping the phone away from their head?

[thick elk]

I think something like that.

[wheat plume]

makes sense maybe

[frozen ingot]

doesn't surprise me, there was a lot of heated debate in many eu countries over the supposed dangers of cell phone signals to peoples heads/bodies in the late 90s and early 00s

[thick elk]

airing on the side of caution about this radiation, while later studies have shown it is harmless. In terms of holding a phone right next to your head, the idea of potential harm is not completely stupid.

[frozen ingot]

around that time personal cellphone ownership skyrocketed

[thick elk]

Until further studies disproved it being harmfull.

[frozen ingot]

my parents were pretty sceptical about letting us kids have phones for some time because of that, but they caved in eventually

[thick elk]

My case was somewhat of the opposite as a kid, got pretty much dumped upon me as a way for my parents to be able to contact me.

Never owned a smartphone until 2013

Still mostly just use it as much as most.

Especially chat, I hate using my phone for that, as times I only have my phone at hands are times I really should / don't want to waste time on it.

[frozen ingot]

I got my first one in 2007 iirc, was still a pretty niche segment at the time since iphone launched later the same year

and after that it wasn't so niche any longer

[thick elk]

If someone wants to contact me on my phone, they can call or sms, or mail me, otherwise I will see it when I use my pc with discord.

[empty wren]

those earbuds are actually quite good

[wheat plume]

Firefox is so nice to customise <3

[cursive summit]

Tell me you are a fanboy without telling me you are a fanboy

[wheat plume]

xd

I found a new terminal emulator called Black Box also

[cursive summit]

Disgusting behavior lana

[wheat plume]

hm xd

[shadow minnow]

Lol my ram is so unstable at CAS 13 yet it can boot at 11 as well and stay stable in bios

I wonder if the instability isn’t caused by sth else and maybe it can go this low actually

Well only way to find out

I wonder how much more voltage would be needed to make it stable but I am definitely not gonna try it

[ashen spindle]

yes it might still be caused by the fact you are running on igpu alone

[shadow minnow]

Eh I don’t think it’s just that with this low timings, some of the crashes are clearly not GPU related though I guess Ill never know until I switch from using an iGPU

[ashen spindle]

igpu is running so more voltage and more heat is going through the cpu

[shadow minnow]

Well the iGPU produces way less heat

[ashen spindle]

its literally on the same chip, the 80C parts of a dGPU isnt directly next to your cpu transistors

[shadow minnow]

Well yes but the GPU produces like max 20w while the cpu can produce over 200w

[ashen spindle]

yeah but its not literally next to the parts on the chip

if a part of the gpu is running at 60C right next to logic for the mem controller that matters a lot more than the dgpu making the case air 5 C warmer

after all I doubt there are thermal sensors on every single transistor of the cpu

might not matter, might be that one part is like 90C right next to the memory controller

[astral haven]

The more important part is the significantly increased load on the memory controller

If you have video output, there is already a massively increased load on the imc

[shadow minnow]

I suppose, but well no GPU for me till next gen

[ashen spindle]

oh duh right how did I miss the most obvious thing about it lmfao

[shadow minnow]

I can’t use Bluetooth rn nice

And more drivers pretend to have just disappeared

Would I have to reinstall all games just using reset this pc?

[ashen spindle]

depends on what reset you do

[shadow minnow]

What kinda reset should I do to not have to reinstall games

[ashen spindle]

the one that tells you that you dont lose your data

[shadow minnow]

Well it still says I would lose my apps

Says it removes apps and settings

And my wifi isn’t fast so reinstalling 1 fb of games wouldn’t be nice

[ashen spindle]

idk only ever did a complete wipe

if its on another drive it obviously isnt affected

[shadow minnow]

Well it’s not

I only have one drive

[ashen spindle]

well, idk, gotta ask tony or someone what exactly it deletes or google it

[shadow minnow]

Why did Bluetooth just stop working

This pc

Smh

[ashen spindle]

because bt is shit? idk

maybe your oc broke it

[shadow minnow]

Well I am not running OC rn

[wheat plume]

if mine stops working, I usually turn off the PC, unplug it from the power cable at the back then hold down the power button for 10 seconds, then plug the cable back in and turn it back on

[shadow minnow]

But it’s like not even showing up in settings

[wheat plume]

yeah, thats what happened to mine a few times before too

fully powering off the PC and holding the power buttons down slved it everytime for me

[astral haven]

Just run windows update

[shadow minnow]

Won’t solve XTU 😦

[astral haven]

did you run windows update?

[shadow minnow]

Before multiple times

[fair gull]

so why is xtu needed again

[crimson wigeon]

For the extreme tuning

[ashen spindle]

use asus mem tweakit for memory, works and no need for xtu overhead

[wheat plume]

hmmm, idk about this redesign

for gnome 43

[shadow minnow]

Well I want to be also able to tune cpu and GPU

Tbf not anymore since with iGPU OC on ram that should be really stable still isn’t

[astral haven]

Asus' oc utils allow tuning of everything besides potentially igpu
Dunno if they allow for igpu since I've never had it enabled

[wheat plume]

Anyone know where to find information about Sony's update support for the Sony Xperia 10 IV?

It's got android 12 preinstalled
But how many updates do they typically provide?

[cursive summit]

Lana, we talked about this

MULTIPLE TIMES

[wheat plume]

Yes
But it got derailed without solid conclusion

[cursive summit]

THERE WAS A CONCLUSION AND YOU EVEN WERE THE ONE WHO CONCLUDED IT

Sigh

Anyways

https://www.androidupdatetracker.com/p/sony-xperia-10-iv

Sony promises Android 13

Nothing else is known after that

For example

https://www.androidupdatetracker.com/p/sony-xperia-10-ii

Was released on 10 and got updates up until now

[wheat plume]

So typically 2 android versions?

[pale sigil]

Dont attack my Lana

[vocal cipher]

will you change something if you get a solid answer?

decide to buy or not buy or return, I don't know?

[cursive summit]

I don't get why people are updatewhoring

Like the phone will get security patches

What's the need for android patches

[ashen spindle]

based on past experience it will be doing the opposite of what was recommended

[wheat plume]

Everything else about this phone is amazing to me

Nice design
Pretty lavender color
High quality headphone jack
Hd audio via the headphone jack
Mostly stock UI

[cursive summit]

Yes Sony phones are amazing

Now get it or don't

They also are jailbreakable afaik and have custom firmware and stuff

[wheat plume]

Problem is
It'll cost me just under €600 if I can't find a place that sell this phone in Ireland

[cursive summit]

Monthly installments

[wheat plume]

Cause the UK and import fees

And pounds to euro conversion

[fair gull]

with sony phones u will need to either use cfw OR

[vocal cipher]

that's what I was gonna say, even if they don't update after certain time, you can definitely have the never versions of android in an hour

[fair gull]

and hear me out this will be weird to hear

[wheat plume]

Or get pixel 6A for €460

[fair gull]

not use the newest android at all times

cause

apps will keep working

shocker i know

[cursive summit]

You don't need the new IV model, get either 1, 5 or 10 of III series

https://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_5_iii-10851.php

It has anything you will ever need

[fair gull]

idk why people are obsessed with having the newest android at all times

[cursive summit]

Idk either

[fair gull]

heck android 7 still works for most things

[cursive summit]

I hate updates that isn't a security patch

My damn Nokia which I loved to bits got ruined by those damn patches

Oh do you want a new android version? It's cool, we promise!

Phone gets slower

5 patch cycles later, Android One being the last

Bricks constantly

Please, fuck off with updates

[fair gull]

android one isnt an android os version

[vocal cipher]

I bought a xiaomi k11 pro for 300 eurs, used 2 years and sold for 250 eurs

[fair gull]

android one is more of a standard

[ashen spindle]

if only I could upgrade the memory in my iphone, I'd not be looking around for a new one after 7 years still lol

[vocal cipher]

I guess Xiaomi is really reasonable about that

they sell so cheap and with good specs, you can sell it almost as the same price

[frozen ingot]

I rather liked some xiaomi stuff I had

[vocal cipher]

if you are concerned about the updates, that way you can always have the newest 😄

[frozen ingot]

cant help but find products designed and made by companies owned by the chinese government to be more than a little sus though

[wheat plume]

My last 4 phones were Xiaomi

They are really good

[frozen ingot]

I mean, if you don't care its fine

[wheat plume]

But I hate MiUI

[vocal cipher]

why don't you flash rom?

android is really heaven for that?

[wheat plume]

My current one doesn't have any recovery for it

And only experimental stage roms

[fair gull]

that sounds like its a lie

[wheat plume]

Well
Partially a lie

The recovery is a fork of twrp and unofficial

So idk

And the roms are all super mega customised ones
I want a mostly pixel like rom

Like pe+

[fair gull]

so u get sony or motorola

and both basically come with google roms

and only a few specific apps to their company/phone

[vocal cipher]

why not pixel then?

[wheat plume]

No headphone jack ....

[vocal cipher]

converter is not good quality?

[wheat plume]

That's the only downside for me of the pixel phone

I love everything else about it

[vocal cipher]

I asked google if the usb c convertor for audio jack is bad quality

Short answer: no, and they might even be a lot better.There are two kinds of USB type C to headphone adaptors.One is just an analog headphone connection on the USB port, with a nonstandard way to put the port into that mode (there are two variants of this). Those are just the same as a 3.5mm jack on the device would be if it existed. The device has to support the right variant on these adaptors, which most phones do but basically no laptops. If you get an adaptor with a phone it is nearly always one of this kind.The other is an actual USB digital audio interface integrated into the adaptor. This shows up on the device as an extra audio port. The quality of that depends completely on the quality of the convertor and analog electronics. Really good quality is somewhat contradictory to really small size, but there's no reason these can't be high quality. And because they're standard USB these will work with any device and any operating system.The second kind of adaptor can be much, much better than the integrated audio in basically any device; there are professional studio and audiophile devices like this.Of course, the cheapest option is usually the worst quality, but in actual fact with these adaptors it is hard to do a really bad job.

that's what they said

😄

[wheat plume]

Nah
More that I don't want to buy a phone without a headphone jack because I don't want to support this trend

[vocal cipher]

you are fighting a lost war

it's over, sorry

[frozen ingot]

tbh I didn't notice anything bad or off with the sound quality from iphone's super basic lightning to 3.5mm dongle either

[wheat plume]

I know .-. but I still want to use wired earphones

They sound way better than wireless

[vocal cipher]

keep the dongle on the earphones?

[wheat plume]

Or get the OnePlus usb C ones

[frozen ingot]

not nescessarily

you'll find a lot better wired at lower cost than wireless tho

[wheat plume]

The only time wireless sounds better is if you pay triple the price compared to a similar sounding wired earphone

[frozen ingot]

but wireless phones aren't that bad these days

[vocal cipher]

wireless headphones are not the only solution here

[wheat plume]

I have a pair of Sony wireless earbuds
They sound worse than my 24 euro earphones

And they cost me like 70

[vocal cipher]

but why no dongle?

[wheat plume]

And that was on sale price

Cause dongles suck
And make the cable no longer right angled

[vocal cipher]

sorry but I wouldn't expect anything from a 70eur wired headphones either :/

[wheat plume]

The wireless ones were 70
The wired were 24

[vocal cipher]

yeah I know, it's just a price range which doesn't matter wired or wireless

yes, everytime wired will be better from wireless in the same price range

[frozen ingot]

I got a pair of $35 bluetooth sonys that sound way better than they have any right to for that price, and that's coming from someone who's used studio/recording phones and speakers for over a decade

[vocal cipher]

not everytime but generally

[frozen ingot]

they are quite horrendously plasticky though

but at least they spent the money where it counted

[wheat plume]

Guess I got the shit Sonys then....

[vocal cipher]

the most budget surprising headset I had was for 35 euros and wireless which had much better quality than 200€ wired ones I tried

but that's a rare find...

[frozen ingot]

https://www.sentriq.my/image/galex/image/cache/data/all_product_images/product-3041/QOwVwl8U1609310910-1080x1080.png

not terrifically comfortable for longer periods either, but for an hour or so its fine

and the batteries last fookin ages

[vocal cipher]

In your situation, I can only say you gotta compromise, there is no exact match for your needs 🙂 if sony is everything you want you shouldn't care about the update at all... it's a minor thing compared to the need of a headphone jack

and I guess from here on the time you lost not changing it or looking for answers or another phone will only cost more than finding a perfect one ...

And I gotta stop using ... all the time...

[wheat plume]

Yeah, but I am sick of Android brands adding bad UI's to their phones and not offering updates for very long

Samsung's OneUI has ugly ass icons and status bar symbols and I dont like it's dark theme much either
Xiaomi's MIUI has really really REALLY USELESS notifications that appear at random in the list no matter when you recieved them and you cannot customise the order they appear in at all

sometimes it puts media controls in the bottom or middle of the list

[vocal cipher]

ok, so buy the sony?

[wheat plume]

so everytime you want to change song or pause from the notifications you got to hunt for the controls in the list

[vocal cipher]

from what you said you have two options, pixel or sony

and from what I understand you will be more happy with sony

but in fact you might be as happy or more happy if you get the pixel and if you get used to the dongle

don't go to samsung one ui

just focus on those two 😄

[final flame]

I find sonys phones to be as good as you're going to get in terms of features, they even still have the micro SD card last time I checked

[vocal cipher]

they seem very durable too, my friend is using one for 5 years now

and sony as a company is not going anywhere 😄

[final flame]

note 9 was Samsung's last good phone change my mind

been using mine since it got released

[wheat plume]

Idc much about SD card support
I don't even fill the 64gb my phone has

So if the phone has at least 64gb I'm happy

[final flame]

googles phones may be good for you, that's one of their few drawbacks they don't have much local storage

[empty wren]

they used to have photos storage

[final flame]

a flaw for me since I have a ton of local music and such

[stark bobcat]

that is because it is very good and you really hardly need anything else

[final flame]

cloud storage isn't the most ideal, so if your use case doesn't require much storage googles phones are good

[empty wren]

i liked nextbit robins idea honestly

they put unused for long time apps

in their cloud

that way you had more spce

[final flame]

a bit too ahead of it's time imo

[empty wren]

yeah

razer bought em

and razer has not made another phone

[wheat plume]

They still sell the razer phones where I live in the carrier stores lol

[empty wren]

yeah but hmm actually makes sense wqhy trhye stopped

[final flame]

if you just need to store photos cloud is fine but anything like videos is gonna be hell to stream without a good enough connection

[empty wren]

this why sdcards exist

[wheat plume]

Even videos I've backed up on Google photos are super annoying to load up

[empty wren]

but sadly even high end phone that are less bought do not have them either

like sony still does i believe

[final flame]

Sony is the only phone maker that still has them, I'd assume because of their camera legacy

[wheat plume]

And people wanting local music collections

To use with their headphone jack

[final flame]

Asus did have one on one of their cheaper phones, Idk which one

[empty wren]

speaking of asus not sure why killed their dedicated dac on their recent mode;

[empty wren]

a lot of cheaper phones yeah expectable

[final flame]

wish flagships had the same idea

[empty wren]

they still have other feastures which could still be present but no apple did this apple did that

[wheat plume]

Apple: responsible for notches, no charging brick in the box, no headphone jack, no SD card slot