🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

Nah non xt is the way to go, better frames per dollar and more oc headroom for general oc since it starts at lower tdp

[junior ore]

GPU score from this is only diff by a thousand

out of nearly 20 thousand

[cursive summit]

"score"

Now let's talk FPS

[junior ore]

it's based off 3DMark

[cursive summit]

Alright

[ashen spindle]

That score means nothing really

[cursive summit]

Now let's talk game FPS

[ashen spindle]

It’s just a rough benchmark

Very rough

[junior ore]

okay let me get the game stats

[cursive summit]

3080 is a bit worse than 6900 XT rn afaik

Especially after latest drivers

[ashen spindle]

Most cases yeah

[junior ore]

here's cyberpunk, a bitch of an unoptimized game

[cursive summit]

So like I said

[cursive summit]

6800XT gets smacked by 3080

[junior ore]

Tomb Raider, made well

dude are you blind?

for the cyberpunk, they are the same running at 1080, it changes for 4K by barely more than 10.

and look at the tomb raider game at 4k

81

[ashen spindle]

thats why 1080p is called cpu bottlenecked

and if you look at tomb raider its 78 vs 86 thats not little

[junior ore]

it.. was to show that cyberpunk was badly unoptimized.....

[cursive summit]

AMD usually performs better than Nvidia below 4K

[junior ore]

uh

look at the gray

[ashen spindle]

yes I looked at it

and I read the names

[junior ore]

81 is not 78

[ashen spindle]

im not comparing OC model vs stock

[junior ore]

81 and- okay no

[ashen spindle]

it helps reading the graph bars

[junior ore]

i'm not continugin this

i just

fucking showed it to you

and you want to ignore it.

just no,.

[cursive summit]

You just showed to us that 6800XT < 3080

[junior ore]

it was to show the 6800xt with the 3090, yes.

[ashen spindle]

yes and I am looking at this since it compares it to a stock 3080

[junior ore]

i fail to see the issue that quin has

[ashen spindle]

the msi model is factory overclocked...

so an msi 3080 might have 90 fps or w/e there we dont really know

[junior ore]

again whats the issue?

it's running ON PAR

which was the point

and you want to deny it

DESPITE SHOWN

as you can see

it performs on the same level

it doesn't out perform it to such an extent as to make it a piece of trash

[ashen spindle]

AC valhalla is an outlier as its also one of the few games that gets a very big boost from SAM

[junior ore]

aye.

there's other games too. i picked randomly.

[ashen spindle]

if we look at some average this is from TPU

[junior ore]

again, if ye want the full : https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_rx_6800_xt_gaming_x_trio_review,11.html

the 6800 and the 6800xt are different products.

[cursive summit]

I mostly fail to understand how every single card in my country is overpriced by at least 20%

[junior ore]

also, TPU?

[cursive summit]

And 6900XT solely is underpriced by like 10% discount

[ashen spindle]

yes you can still see the xt and 3090 version and there is still a decent difference..

[junior ore]

the world is currently liek that. also it's worse for some areas. like in australia where its considered ultra-luxury and it is very extra-taxed. or it used to be.

[cursive summit]

Was there like a gross oversupply of 6900XTs at some point?

[junior ore]

and yet this so called decent difference isn't shown very marginally in real world application with the game performance benchmarkings.

[cursive summit]

World's mostly returning to normal right now though, especially with the massive stockpiles of cards warehouses are sitting on

I'm wondering if the recent rumours that AIBs are begging Nvidia to push back Lovelace are real

[ashen spindle]

I can see a difference of 10% fps especially if its still below 100fps so idk if I'd call it marginally

[junior ore]

if that score you shown quin was correct, there would be 40 increase in performance difference. but there isn't.

[ashen spindle]

it's 18% from the 800xt and 3090 on that average...

[junior ore]

again it would show in the game performance if so.

[cursive summit]

Honestly I think with how shit the prices rn are on mid range cards

[junior ore]

rather than benchmarking tools.

[cursive summit]

I'll just pull the trigger on 6900XT I think

It's like 10% under the MSRP

Compared to everything else which is like 30% over

[junior ore]

i'd wait to see whats cooking this year as theres going to be new GPUs

[cursive summit]

AMDs prolly going to release something soon

Nvidia is... uncertain

[junior ore]

they said they would.

[astral haven]

Nvidia is releasing very soon

[junior ore]

nvidia boasted they would release first and earlier than AMD but they decided to delay it now.

[cursive summit]

The recent rumours need to be investigated, I think Gamers Nexus is working on a story

[ashen spindle]

and thats TPUs average for just fps on 1440p

so the difference is there in games..

[pale sigil]

tbh i really want an AMD gpu atm

[junior ore]

oh wow 10 frames such huge differences

[junior ore]

it only proves i was correct in that it was on par

[cursive summit]

Carmon if the oversupply problem is a thing and Nvidia is forced to push back the next gen launch just so stock sell out, we might see a next gen delay

[pale sigil]

Deck just re confirms how shit Nvidia is on Linux.

[junior ore]

dude just give it up quin

[pale sigil]

My desktop experience is already 10000x better on a fucking APU

[ashen spindle]

we're not talking about 200+fps, 15fps is visible lol

[junior ore]

its not visible past hundred dude like, come on be real.

[ashen spindle]

yes it ist

[astral haven]

Nvidia can and will screw their retailers as soon as their own warehouses are empty
It happened with 10 to 20 and it will happen again

[junior ore]

no the fuck its not

you are not going to notice a drop from 144hz to 130hz

don't lie to me

[astral haven]

I can and do

[pale sigil]

this is so far from the truth wtf

[ashen spindle]

I literally did when it dropped around that so idk what to tell you

[pale sigil]

you lost me just on that ngl

[junior ore]

the hell?

how does someone notice that?

i don't think I can.

[astral haven]

Heck if you are on a 144hz
Dropping from 144 to 139 is visible

[cursive summit]

Ngl I'll be a devil's advocate and say that 60 vs 75Hz is no difference

[pale sigil]

You also going to say 120 vs 140 aint much difference to?>

[junior ore]

no i didn't say that.

[ashen spindle]

I noticed my monitor settings were borked at one point after an update because I lost around 20 or so hz when it was set to 144 before

[pale sigil]

good so you aint that bad 😅

[junior ore]

I was saying 15 isn't going to be THAT HUGE of a deal when its high numbers.,

[pale sigil]

im not saying you said it

im just saying would you also xD

[junior ore]

it's not like its 15-30 or 30-45 or even 45-60 which is very noticable.

[cursive summit]

I'd also argue that my LG CX with 120Hz actually runs better than my damn 165Hz display

[pale sigil]

tbh you are right there

but i dont think thats the point

[ashen spindle]

yes it wont be as obvious in doom when it runs at over 240fps, but average means some games will run at <100

[pale sigil]

you're saying you wont notice it

[junior ore]

my whole point was the 6800XT is on part with the big nvidia boys and Quin wants to fight over TEN FRAMES

like, bruh. get the fuck over it.

[ashen spindle]

and 15% lower fps around 100fps is easily noticable

[cursive summit]

10 frames is like, a lot?

[junior ore]

no when there's high quanitities.

[ashen spindle]

100fps is not high quantity

[junior ore]

anyways i'm tired of repeating @_@

going to go do stuff.

[pale sigil]

you know something is wrong when me and Quin feel the same way about something

[ashen spindle]

[astral haven]

You only won't notice it if it's over your monitor refresh rate by at least 10% and you aren't syncing of any kind

[pale sigil]

tbh ive seen people say 60hz vs 144hz aint that much of a difference.

Maybe an optical thing

[astral haven]

Relative to 30> 60 it's not that big of a difference lmao

[ashen spindle]

when my old 100hz screen dropped to 60 I felt like my desktop was broken because it looked so off to me lol

[cursive summit]

60 vs 144 is massive

I can't go back to 60Hz screens anymore

[astral haven]

Not as big as 30>60

[cursive summit]

Got spoiled by high refresh

However I see no difference between my side by side 144 and 165s

[misty saffron]

60 to 75 is also massive

[astral haven]

My previous work from home computer was only capable of 30hz at 4k and it was pain

[misty saffron]

even though you’d think it shouldn’t be

[cursive summit]

25% is kinda massive

[ashen spindle]

also average of 15% can also mean it's 20% worse at a game that only reaches 80 fps so you would definitely notice it in that one

one example from the tpu bench

and 82 vs 101 is easily noticeable

[astral haven]

Human perception is based on the ms
And the difference in Ms is 22%

[shadow minnow]

Average fps is a dumb metric imo ngl, average % difference would be more accurate overall

[ashen spindle]

difference doesnt tell me anything about the card itself thats even worse

yes frametime is the best

but difference doesnt tell me anything since I need to know what it reaches lol

[astral haven]

If I have a 240hz monitor, I need to know what games reach that...

[shadow minnow]

It’s just, games where high fps is easy to achieve will have disproportionately larger impact
Idk about average fps ngl, it’s not like you could apply it to any game either

Per game fps makes sense

What imo doesn’t make sense is averaging out all games

[ashen spindle]

it literally is a image that shows you both average and fps of each game...

[fickle ore]

average fps is goooooood

[ashen spindle]

if its a massive outlier you see it on that

[shadow minnow]

Talking about this

Inter GPU comparisons

[astral haven]

Per game is unfair
Average prevents 1 game from entirely killing the results

[ashen spindle]

yes we can also make a boxplot and just make it totally unreadable

[shadow minnow]

But this way games with easy to achieve high fps have disproportionate impact or well possibility of it

[ashen spindle]

or we can just use data and know how and when to apply it appropriately

[shadow minnow]

Like per game seeing fps makes sense

But comparing different GPUs

[ashen spindle]

thats why the average fps is not the first image on the page

[astral haven]

The high fps games are higher regardless of vendor

[ashen spindle]

yup rainbow6 has 300 fps either way

[fickle ore]

Median fps

[shadow minnow]

Yes but if one of them has high % difference between the two GPUs it will have bigger impact on average FPS than if it’s with low fps game

[fickle ore]

Modal FPS is best tbh /ssssss

[ashen spindle]

just as an fyi tpu starts with the image then the averages

so you can see the data and if it makes no sense you know not to use it extensively

[shadow minnow]

Well I just don’t think average gaming frame rate is good between GPUs but if it’s not the main point of the review not too bad to include, though even then it’s just not proportionate

[junior ore]

wait wait wait

why is Civ and and Anno there?

what game is "control"?

[astral haven]

It's a tool for comparing GPUs
You can either look at the entire graph or you can just look at the number

[ashen spindle]

control is the game control

[astral haven]

Because people play them

[ashen spindle]

anno is there because as you can see it can vary quite a lot

[fickle ore]

They should stop benching useless SP games just bench mmorpgs

[astral haven]

Really cool game that happened to be an rtx title

[junior ore]

oh yeah that game, now I remember Control.

yeah big on RTX

[astral haven]

Shoo

[shadow minnow]

Yes but it’s a tool where different games don’t affect the number proportionally so it’s well biased

[junior ore]

people play lots fo games, and more than people that play Anno and Civ

those are VERY specific game picks.

and older games

[ashen spindle]

ok so go and make a benchmark for other games so reviewers can use those instead

[junior ore]

Civ 6 came out 6 years ago

[ashen spindle]

and also keep a record so data to compare exists

[junior ore]

i gave you a list already of some 🙂

[cursive summit]

Anno 1800 is cool af, and a good benchmark

[junior ore]

you can find

[astral haven]

They don't have any games that benchmark inconsistently
Having that requirement does yeet alot of games

[junior ore]

a ton of games that do so, don't be smartass quin.

[ashen spindle]

yes and not every game can be tested in time by humans

[shadow minnow]

Ton of games with lot of past data?

[cursive summit]

Ngl I feel bad for you Quin

[ashen spindle]

thats why different review sites review different things

[cursive summit]

Fighting against windmills

[ashen spindle]

but I agree with dag I wish ffxiv or TF2 would be more included

[junior ore]

okay what makes Anno and Civ 6 great benchmarks?

[fickle ore]

synthetics >> game benching

[ashen spindle]

hard to extrapolate data from others to them

[junior ore]

yeah even FF15 has a benchmark tool

[astral haven]

They are consistent

[cursive summit]

Anno 1800 last I checked is a bit of a bitch to run

[ashen spindle]

ff15 is a singleplayer...

[junior ore]

consistent as in?

[ashen spindle]

also the benchmark of 15 is very very bad

[junior ore]

yeah but I was making a point that even FF15 has one*

[astral haven]

But it's shit because it doesn't give the same results every time
You have to run it dozens of times and average it and it doesn't tell you how well the game performs

[junior ore]

i'm not saying to use it

[fickle ore]

Death Stranding is best game to bech. That scaling bruh

[junior ore]

i'm saying even a fuck it nvm

[astral haven]

We are explaining why it and most other games can't be used

[junior ore]

I"M NOT SAYING TO USE FF15 BENCHMARKS

[shadow minnow]

Life is strange fps scales well with resolution.

[ashen spindle]

yup HUB uses it and it gives good data

[fickle ore]

THE very best!

[pale sigil]

Can be chill here folkes.

[ashen spindle]

though it is quite a difficult thing, for reviews benchmarks should be consistent for years, for developers at amd/nvidia it would be perfect if they are always updated so they can test the latest drivers and all

[pale sigil]

It seems to clearly be getting heated and i would rather not people have to feel angry or frustrated talking ❤️

[fickle ore]

Ye, synthetics.

[pale sigil]

Unless its me

fu

[ashen spindle]

synthetics suck

[pale sigil]

They do

[fickle ore]

The current ones indeed, but they don't need to suck

[pale sigil]

Intel asked me to use their tool for RMA benchmarks, they would not accept anything else

90c/80% perf was "acceptable"

[ashen spindle]

that is a totally different issue

[pale sigil]

ik but

they still wanted to use their own shite

and they do the same for benchies

[ashen spindle]

firestrike and such were cool but sucked since tesselation early on was vastly different on amd vs nvidia so that would change scores a lot more than it did in games for example

[astral haven]

3dmark is a fantastic benchmark of many things
The older you go the more it represents eSports, the newer, the better it represents well optimized aaa

[ashen spindle]

I mean they have its uses but only 3dmark is not a good idea

[astral haven]

They were an excellent indicator of future performance besides multigpu which was too well optimized

[astral haven]

3dmark tells you how well the GPU will perform after game ready drivers are done for that gpu

Basically it's the limit including nearly maximal driver optimisations pre baked into the benchmark for an even playing field

[ashen spindle]

if we talk about optimized AA/AAA games yes

[pale sigil]

Well thats a fucking lie

optimized and AAA in the same sentence.

Nonsense

[astral haven]

Doom games

Prey

[pale sigil]

They are called miracles

[astral haven]

Hla

[ashen spindle]

HL:A

lol

[astral haven]

Jinx

[pale sigil]

Thats called Valve dedicating their resources to one game a decade.

[ashen spindle]

honestly we need to clone Carmack a couple times but we dont deserver that

[pale sigil]

But yes it kinda blows me away that Doom came from Bethesda, its as if it came from the upside down.

[ashen spindle]

its still from id

[pale sigil]

Well yes i guess.

[ashen spindle]

bethesda published it

[pale sigil]

Still a miracle

also its prime day kids

holy

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-microSDXC-Memory-Adapter-Performance/dp/B08HCPTMJG/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1UREZFFISY4M0&keywords=1tb+sd&qid=1657581869&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&sprefix=1tb+sd%2Caps%2C59&sr=8-3

https://tenor.com/view/parraque-infarto-fainted-gif-16861591

[ashen spindle]

normal price for that model here for over a month

[pale sigil]

Ah well

the sd card is a good price

[shadow minnow]

I do wish SD cards were fast enough

[pale sigil]

deck is capped anyway

[shadow minnow]

Even then can’t record 8K25/4K100 10bpc raw without a special card

But it also fills up a 128gb card, well rather fast

[ashen spindle]

convince intel to make optane level sd cards

might be like 20x the price but would work

[shadow minnow]

Well then I would much rather take CFExpress, since it’s bit more less than 20x

Or well lol some of them do come a bit close

Or at least above 10x

CFExpress is rather fast for how small it is but so it is expensive

Would be cool on steam deck but well the memory card could end up costing more than steam deck

[ashen spindle]

Nah it’s still just pcie limitations and it’s not like most games come even close to hitting that

[shadow minnow]

Well yeah just the form factor is a small advantage

4tb max as of now in bit under m2 2230 size

And very portable since it’s kinda like an sd card

[astral haven]

Optane is physically too large

[astral haven]

A v90 card can record that

Cfexpress is only needed for bust raw photo shooting

[ashen spindle]

That’s why I said Optane-level not optane-card :p

[astral haven]

Eh

Might as well just use mlc

Muuuuch denser per unit data rate

[ashen spindle]

Won’t happen as that whole thing is kinda dying anyway

[astral haven]

The smallest cfexpress card standard is well over 3x the volume of SD cards
The larger (much more common m.2 sized) cfexpress standard is over 2x that

[ashen spindle]

At least I don’t see them expanding it and keep optane for some few usecases

[astral haven]

You'd be surprised
It's gonna make an interesting comeback as cxl memory/storage cards

[ashen spindle]

Hmm good point that could be interesting

[astral haven]

Unless Samsung's nvram completely corners the market that is

[shadow minnow]

Nope, 300mbs, this needs more

[astral haven]

V90 =720mbps

[shadow minnow]

Still small CFExpress close to sd card size goes up to 1765mbps speed and 4tb storage

[astral haven]

It's over double the volume

And it doesn't go to 4tb

Currently 80 and 160gb cfexpress type a cards exist

[shadow minnow]

Well volume, still apart from height type b dimensions aren’t far of Sd

[astral haven]

Height, width and length

And they are quiiiite thick

[shadow minnow]

Eh it’s not that bad imo

Like sure definitely thicker than sd

But it’s still rather easily portable

[astral haven]

It's not anywhere near the size of a micro sd btw

Which yes come in v90

[shadow minnow]

Well definitely not close to micro sd ngl

[astral haven]

Aaaanyways
In November of 2020 I bought a 1tb micro SD (V30) for $190

[shadow minnow]

Today I started recording raw 8k on like half full 128gb CFExpress card and it didn’t last for long

[astral haven]

My camera takes micro SD and cfexpress type a
The cfexpress is only used for long burst and slo motion (beyond that it's useless)

[astral haven]

Oof

[shadow minnow]

My takes SD bad CFExpress, not sure about bursts, probably same, but also for highest quality video recording it wants CFExpress

[astral haven]

Yea I filled up 2 256gb v90 cards in an hour of moon videos on the eclipse

[shadow minnow]

Or well it’s not really my camera

[shadow minnow]

Hour?
This lasted like one to two minutes
Empty 128gb CFExpress card definitely wouldn’t last 10 minutes
Or well I can check once this one is empty

Ended up feeling like I have an analog camera since I only have enough space left to take 12 pictures so had to consider what is worth it

102400 ISO is fun

[astral haven]

That is all the videos I took to fill the card

The moon kept moving so I had to stop and reframe 💢

Yea this bad boy does 2m iso
And it's not clean but it's passable

[shadow minnow]

Today I forgot to take other than 35 lenses and even though it’s my favorite there were few places with view for 15 and then the moon and animals, wish I had at least 85 but 200 would be even better. But well the 70-200 is too big to carry too much

[shadow minnow]

What camera?

[astral haven]

A7 4

[pale sigil]

so much for saving

[shadow minnow]

Moon when it was small with 85 lense, today would be better

[astral haven]

This was a 300 f4 with 2 teleconverters

[astral haven]

My phone does better than that lmao

[shadow minnow]

Well it was far from ideal conditions
Day, and not enough zoom and more issues

[astral haven]

For real tho it's actually scary how hard my camera gets rekt by my phone in most situations

[shadow minnow]

I used to have the same but with this camera my phone can’t compete

Though it took time to get used to

HDR mode is way more simple on phone but when set up well it’s good on camera, still one rather weak point of cameras

[astral haven]

The pictures are barely better :/
The only advantages are burst and video

[astral haven]

My Olympus is so goood at that it's amazing

[shadow minnow]

For me it’s the details, the camera can capture so much more

[pale sigil]

im starting to wonder if i should have got 512gb not 1tb

[astral haven]

Negatory ghost rider
My phone in 108mp mode outresolves my camera at 33mp

Tho once ai upscaled to the same res the camera looks alot better

[pale sigil]

help?

xD

[shadow minnow]

This camera can do 48MP

[pale sigil]

Please re enforce my purchase.

Maker me feel less bad

[astral haven]

I have a 1tb micro SD
It's pretty pog

[pale sigil]

ive never needed more than 64gb

xD

[shadow minnow]

I don’t but if I had this camera for everyday I would definitely want to get one

[pale sigil]

but now with the deck its different but now im wondering if i need more than 512gb

[shadow minnow]

I filled up 128gb pretty fast

[pale sigil]

32 quid vs 88 quid

[shadow minnow]

Tbf I am shooting raw 8K most of the time

[astral haven]

Nah this for gamez

[shadow minnow]

Eh for games 1tb is reasonable

[pale sigil]

Like, the difference is huge.

[astral haven]

Ain't doing that on a phone yet

[shadow minnow]

500gb sucks for games

[pale sigil]

Yes but for the deck Bexin

idk if i would ever have 1tb worth instgalled

doesn't make to much sense to

[shadow minnow]

My phone can do 4K raw but it’s surprisingly over half of the size of the 8k camera raws

[astral haven]

I own about 16tb of games so I definetly would use it

[shadow minnow]

But then the camera can do double pixel raw or whatever is it called

[astral haven]

No it cant

[shadow minnow]

Even with CFExpress can’t do fast bursts of that, one photo is like 90mb

[shadow minnow]

Why could it not? I mean photos, not videos

[astral haven]

It might output a raw format through trickery, but there are no ipus with raw data passthrough capabilities

Ah

Yea photos sure

[pale sigil]

atm this is my deck games... many many hours to enjoy

[astral haven]

Tho a 48mp sensor can't do 4k raws

[shadow minnow]

My phone is well 12MP

[pale sigil]

I get 2tb or more on desktop, i use a 2tb just for games + a bunch on my nvme local disk

But on the Deck would it make sense?

[astral haven]

None of the multiplied Beyer sensors can provide the actual raw data

[pale sigil]

to have 1tb of gamers installed?

[shadow minnow]

Does with my wifi

[astral haven]

Cause you can't really download them on demand...

[pale sigil]

With mine not so much since i can install 60gb+ in minutes

[shadow minnow]

For me that can take a day

Or hours

Based on if I am in uk or Slovakia

[pale sigil]

idk, im going to ust not open the sd card

and think hard about it lol

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1860566157204405103/5C1B26DBFA07B25D7F82165F015D265E18AB3287/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

on a side note

[astral haven]

Might not need it now
But in a year?
2?

[pale sigil]

dirt 5 ran great on the dck

im trying to not sink to much into my desk too

[astral haven]

And it's gonna be instantly nice to have

[pale sigil]

As i will most likely get gen 2

[astral haven]

Gen 2 is gonna be $1600 and inside a VR headset

[pale sigil]

I think i need to just shut up, 88 quid is not much for me rn if im honest.

and i put it on my credit card.

[shadow minnow]

Tbf if your phone has good zoom no reason it wouldn’t, 85mm is just not a lot of zoom

[astral haven]

240mm equiv

[pale sigil]

credit card makes big purchases feel less shit

xD

[shadow minnow]

Don’t have that in the UK only when back in Slovakia

[pale sigil]

i can pay it off just fine but the idea of just worrying about it at the end of the month brings me ease

[shadow minnow]

Even then 200mm

[astral haven]

That's my phone

[shadow minnow]

Oh

Yeah definitely better

[pale sigil]

though using a credit card and refunding on it later on is so shit.

[astral haven]

I have a 300 f4 and an 18-300 that fits a 2x tcon

[pale sigil]

I got a 200+ quid refund once and it was stuck on my credit card.

[astral haven]

36-600

[shadow minnow]

I mean that’s a really nice range

But

Fixed f

Sounds not so good

[pale sigil]

Ok I feel less bad now

[shadow minnow]

Though maybe I would take it

[pale sigil]

Ffs discord

[astral haven]

F 7-f13 equivalent 😭

But
That's on full frame rather than crop
That's another trick
If you use a tcon on an apsc lens, it becomes full frame

[shadow minnow]

I am used to f1.8-f22 atm though fixed zoom which annoys me

[astral haven]

No

[shadow minnow]

Or with 85mm f2-28

But 35mm I like more

For most things

[astral haven]

This is min aperture
Not range

[shadow minnow]

Well yeah but range is also kinda relevant

Since some zoom lenses don’t have a big zoom range

[astral haven]

No like
F7 at 36mm
F13 at 600mm

[shadow minnow]

The 85 is macro 0.35m min but the. 35 has 0.17m min distance so both aren’t too bad at macro tbf

[astral haven]

Max aperture is like 44 to 64 lol

[shadow minnow]

Well that’s nice but F13 as minimum

[astral haven]

I really cba to calculate their new focal mins

[astral haven]

At least it's full full frame coverage with no vignetting

But God is it front heavy

[junior ore]

be sure to run the test to make sure it's not a fake and double check the packaging quality that it came in.

[astral haven]

I did the opposite of what you are supposed to do
I spent waaaaaay more on body than lenses

[shadow minnow]

One thing fixed zoom lenses are good for is being very small

[astral haven]

You mean telephoto?

[shadow minnow]

Eh not just

[astral haven]

There's no such thing as fixed zoom

[shadow minnow]

Idk how is it called in English tbf

I mean instead of it being like 70-200 mm it’s just 85

[astral haven]

Zoom is the change of focal length
Telephoto means long focal length

Ye

[pale sigil]

its sold by amazon

not 3rd party seller

[astral haven]

Below 50 = wide
50mm = standard
Above 50 = telephoto
Number changes = zoom

[shadow minnow]

35mm >>

[astral haven]

I have a 7-14 zoom lel

[shadow minnow]

35mm 1.8f lens can basically fit inside my pocket which is nice

[astral haven]

Yea nothing of mine is pocketable

Mostly cause I use ancient used ef lenses

Besides the 7-14 ofc

[shadow minnow]

Have 4 pocketable fixed mm lenses and then there is 70-200 f2.8 and some more

[astral haven]

Tbh the pocketable focal lengths get beat by my phone..

[shadow minnow]

Or I think it’s f2.8 don’t have it with me.
Or well it’s not really I who have it but get to use them

[astral haven]

I have the 28-50? kit collapsible lens

But the phone wins at everything but video

[shadow minnow]

Wonder why

[astral haven]

28-60

It focuses lightning quick tho

It's actually insane

[shadow minnow]

Wdym focuses lightning?

[astral haven]

Focuses
Very very fast

Autofocuses

[shadow minnow]

Oh

Ngl I basically never use autofocus

Unless I am very lazy and don’t look at picture I am taking

Even then usually have set manual

[astral haven]

Spoken like a true canon shooter lel

[shadow minnow]

Well I am using cannon EOS R5

Or well rn

But why would you use autofocus?

[astral haven]

:P
Knew it

[shadow minnow]

Everything manual>>

[astral haven]

Cause it's faster and more accurate than me

[shadow minnow]

Then get more accurate
Only way is practice

[astral haven]

By an order of magnitude in both aspects

Sony is superhuman in both aspects

[shadow minnow]

Well this camera is too very fast at autofocus

I just don’t use it

[astral haven]

You should try back button focusing

[shadow minnow]

Usually take photos without display and auto selection of what should be focused often fails me, and idk if I can set it to a joystick to change where to zoom

[astral haven]

Also the only times I need the camera is for photographing animals

[astral haven]

Yea the joystick on the back is for selecting your focus point

You can also use the touchscreen

[shadow minnow]

Normally I don’t photograph much but last week I had this camera I have done a lot of building and just general nature photos

[shadow minnow]

Well it’s not doing that rn and couldn’t be bothered to find out how to change it yet

[shadow minnow]

I usually use the eye thing and have touchscreen closed

[astral haven]

Thats another thing that folks need to steal from Olympus
Olympus allows you tap to shoot

[shadow minnow]

Used to use touchscreen but got bullied by my father for it

[shadow minnow]

This camera can do the same

[astral haven]

If you activate the eye with the touchscreen open it turns into a trackpad

[shadow minnow]

But usually I would just accidentally use it

[shadow minnow]

I usually have it closed though

[astral haven]

You can just open it?

[shadow minnow]

Focuses where you click and takes a photo virtually instantly

[astral haven]

Yap

Ok so it's just Sony and Nikon being dumb

[shadow minnow]

Well yes but extra step

Tbf I would so often Missclick

[astral haven]

Meh

It's only one shot

Also on Olympus it's very easy to toggle quickly

[shadow minnow]

There is also a button that’s always there to toggle it but I always have it disabled.
But I can imagine it being rather nice for some things

[astral haven]

Oh yea
Guess the res of photos my 20 megapixel sensored Olympus can take (raw)

[shadow minnow]

5000x4000?

[astral haven]

10kx8k :P (well approx)

And yes raw

[shadow minnow]

Well yes but that’s using cheating

[astral haven]

No it's actually raw data from 80m different data sites

And the crazy part is it also can take 80mpix jpegs

The way it works is it moves the sensor in a square around it's starting position, moving half a pixel each time

[shadow minnow]

Phone level cheating

Disappointed cameras also went that low

[astral haven]

Takes 9 pics in 1/3 of a second and combines them

[astral haven]

The crazy part is it actually works insanely well

[shadow minnow]

Witchcraft does too yet we burn witches

[astral haven]

It increases the measured dynamic range at a higher resolution to about equal to the r6 with a sensor 1/4 the area

Imagine if the r5 did that

+2.5 stops of Dr
4x megapixels

[shadow minnow]

I find r5 res enough

[astral haven]

The only full frame even close to the capability is the a7r4
And it requires postprocessing

[astral haven]

Weak

[junior ore]

Amazon will sell fakes too. Not on purpose but they will sell what they have.

[astral haven]

I take gigapans
There's no such thing as enough resolution

[shadow minnow]

But also r5 seems to be using some kinda lcd display that captured outside light and sends it back, way brighter when it’s bright outside

[astral haven]

Nope

[shadow minnow]

Well true but it’s enough for me usually since I usually don’t zoom in enough for it to be not enough in my display

[astral haven]

It's just a regular lcd that is just actually bright

[shadow minnow]

No but when it’s dark it’s way darker

I mean the top display

That is even on when camera is off

[astral haven]

Oh
Yea that's also just a backlit lcd

It's not an rlcd

[shadow minnow]

It seems to not be backlit at all.
Like when it’s off and it’s dark I don’t see anything but when I point light in my phone on it I can’t see the letter that should be there there

[astral haven]

Rlcds look metallic where normal lcds are matte

You ever used an old calculator?

It's the same thing

Gtg for now

[shadow minnow]

Bye.
Tbf I also should it’s almost 2am

[pale sigil]

be honest i cant be fucked, its covered for years and amazon never let me down.

If i have an issue ill just return it, i only test SD cards sold by third party since it takes hours.

Ill know fast if i try to install something xD

[junior ore]

okay though if it catches on fire let us know lol

[pale sigil]

how tf can an SD card catch fire.

xD

[junior ore]

very electronically painful. but it happens.

[pale sigil]

i got it on my credit card to

so i can make amazon pay for me deck

[stark bobcat]

Dafuq

[pale sigil]

That looks like an issue of the port.

[stark bobcat]

How

[pale sigil]

Not the SD card.

[junior ore]

by running it hot

its not just switches.

[pale sigil]

I just dont understand how its possible, SD cards cant run hot.

it might have been the adapter

[junior ore]

electricity in sufficient quantities makes things hot./

electricity runs through the SD cards

[pale sigil]

ik but damn

[stark bobcat]

Yeah but sd cards aren't supposed to use a lot of power

[pale sigil]

I really think this is an issue with the ports.

[junior ore]

fakes often just fracture too under pressure of heat

it's a combination of multiple things

[pale sigil]

Probably

[junior ore]

bad cards such as fakes is a cause.
too much current goign through it, either because Nintendo fucked up the software ( they did ) is also a cause.

and i don't know why it happens with some apples.

[pale sigil]

Anyway if its a fake card itll have issues with installing a game right away.

So im not to worried.

the moment i see a sus thing ill just stop using it

[junior ore]

not necessarily. it's a gamble as to what capacity it'll have. it could be 1TB but super slow even.

[pale sigil]

I may test it like i usually do

[stark bobcat]

Well it might be 32gb reporting as 1tb so u might need to install 2

[pale sigil]

oh ill do benchmark right away

[pale sigil]

It wont install a game more than its real capacity so id just check the final file sizres etc

ill just install a 100gb game, still quicker than a 3+ hour test

[shadow minnow]

I change my mind, I fully agree, basically any things would look so cool if zoomed in they would have even more detail, especially when capturing lot of landscape or photos of animals

[pale sigil]

we will see

[junior ore]

this one basically exploded

[pale sigil]

thats an adapter

i googled and a lot of cases seems to be the adapter

[junior ore]

can't fit that in a switch 😛

[pale sigil]

huh

[junior ore]

but yeah it looks like its the common issue for the mac laptops.

using those adapters.

which are rather thin plastic stuff, very easy to melt.

but this one straight up exploded lol

[pale sigil]

Not related i swear

but i wonder what SteamOS would be like running on an SD card.

[junior ore]

would run normal

[pale sigil]

I know UbuntuPI runs very well.

Well

terminal

i dont use gui

[stark bobcat]

I have seen videos of those and they act in very strange ways

[pale sigil]

If there wouldn't be much difference id consider running SteamOS off the SD card and Windows on the 256nvme

but i also wanna try for science

i ran windows to go off my ssd for the deck

[stark bobcat]

Os on sd cards supposedly kills them semi quickly

[pale sigil]

Windows yes

Not sure about Linux

Otherwise RasberyPis wouldn't use em

:p

ran ubuntu 24/7 for 2 years now

Though the write speed of the sd card is not great

peeps benchmarks show around 60

TBF there isn't a great deal stopping me duel booting and using the 1tb for storage on both

SteamOS only needs like 50gb

[junior ore]

there's nothing wrong with using an SD card to store an OS. the issue is how the OS treats removable media.

linux is flexible in what auto/mounts and such as well as permissions. Windows is a coin flip at times but at least predictable once known.

[pale sigil]

The issue with Windows is the constant logging and changing of files, it rewrites endlessly.

Linux doesn't.

And you can run different distros

Getting past installing on removable drives is easy, even with Windows.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/220093300672167936/992913438902849536/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/220093300672167936/992896473584894072/IMG_20220702_215534.jpg

[stark bobcat]

That's pretty interesting maybe putting steamos on the sd might not be such a bad idea afterall

[stark bobcat]

In b4 u get banned

[pale sigil]

All done on Windows 11 via a USB external SSD

[pale sigil]

Windows :p

[stark bobcat]

Ah Ic

Why they ban sd players is beyond me tho

[pale sigil]

They dont

They never have.

[stark bobcat]

They said they would tho

[pale sigil]

lemmi finish xD

They never ever targeted Steam Deck users, they just updated the original doc that already stated that their anti cheat will flag running D2 via proton.

:p

I think the news just kinda overdid it really, they just dont support proton and never have, they also cba fixing it or going through reports.

Its not a new issue.

3y ago

[stark bobcat]

Ah Ic only saw the headlines still kinda sad but at least not that bad

[pale sigil]

it sucks though, being im a d2 player.

And Stadia uses native Linux port xD

Which btw they develop the game in xD

Technically Destiny 2 is developed in Linux first now.

[stark bobcat]

Lmfao

[pale sigil]

Not even joking.

Before Covid they used stadia for development builds etc, then during covid they fully moved to developing in it.

And now they are getting their own form of stadia for internal use.

[stark bobcat]

Wild

[pale sigil]

also pretty sure there was a video of QA testers desktop showing KDE once.

During a promo video about quality and shit

Literally 90% of my use on the deck is experimenting

[stark bobcat]

I use it exclusively while commuting to play persona or rocket league but it's also basically my gaming laptop now since my previous one is as old as most fortnite kids now

[pale sigil]

i just like new tech

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume

[mild dome]

Could I get a source on the internal Stadia development platform, that seems to be rather short-sighted considering Google seems fairly eager to pull the plug any day now.

Stadia has it's own translation layer for converting Windows code to Linux, so if they Bungo probably supported that method, but not the Proton method, in part because Google likely threw a whole lot of money at Bungo to setup Destiny on Stadia. Considering all the bugs Destiny has on the regular, and how Bungie has trouble fixing even seemingly simple ones, I think Bungie just wants to limit their platforms to what they know is making them money, rather then make a version of the game for a niche in a niche. Perhaps if Valve was willing to pay Bungie to include Proton they probably would get right to work, but as of right now Bugulo doesn't think it's a good return on investment

[spiral belfry]

Why the hell did you install windows 11 to it? XD

[wheat plume]

To play destiny 2

[ashen spindle]

Google pulling the plug on stadia wouldn’t matter for internal use. And a big reason they have it on stadia is not the money but the fact that you can’t just use cheats on stadia and thus don’t need the anti cheat work on it unlike with proton

[amber tundra]

Anyone on

[reef patrol]

It streams to you. You don't have the game

[ashen spindle]

good luck hacking into the google servers to install an aimbot

[misty saffron]

because stadia isn’t a human and can’t be a boy/girlfriend

[fair gull]

hollow u havent met japanese people obviously

they marry their body pillows

[misty saffron]

of all east asians i’ve only ever seen hordes of the chinese on the red square, yes

[fair gull]

i didnt know russia got taken over

[ashen spindle]

because we live in a simulation

and all jokes are stored in the Dad A Base

[pale sigil]

Typical apple

Prime day deals on 2 year old devices

Xd

[fair gull]

so?

i thought old apple devices also good

[pale sigil]

I want deals on the M1 ipad XD

[stark bobcat]

Me when I buy e-waste fire 8 to play a gacha game and not destroy the battery of my uni tablet

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle are you sure Samsung 2tb nvme is usually £150 in Germany

[cursive summit]

Which one

970 EVO?

[stark bobcat]

Sometimes on sale they are 170€ I've seen

[pale sigil]

Ye

[fair gull]

he lied its 170

oh noe

[stark bobcat]

Pcie 4.0 never tho

[fair gull]

20bucks

[ashen spindle]

150 gbp is around 177 eur or so

https://geizhals.de/samsung-ssd-970-evo-plus-2tb-mz-v7s2t0bw-a1972736.html

[cursive summit]

That's a nice price ngl

Is there a competitor SSD that beats out 970 in terms of quality that isn't the 980?

[ashen spindle]

so yes, prime day making it down to that price is just amazon waiting on some parts to cut it down to normal lol

[pale sigil]

But price history says otherwise here

[stark bobcat]

I mean u can prolly look at wd for similar performance

[cursive summit]

WD SN750?

I don't really recall much good things about WD lately to be fair

[stark bobcat]

don't they have something better at this point

but that is the one I have rn it s okay

[fair gull]

u mean in the country thats not part of the eu anymore?

[stark bobcat]

was relatively cheap

[fair gull]

with all those import tax and stuff?

[cursive summit]

Are the Intel 660ps still good?

[ashen spindle]

well my main point was just that prime day is no longer something that really cuts prices aside form some niche stuff like weird kitchen utensils maybe

[fair gull]

oh ya no but thats been the case for longer than a week

or 10

[stark bobcat]

well has it ever been that great?

[fair gull]

or 60

[cursive summit]

I think I have an Intel SSD running in my rig rn

I don't mind it at all

What mostly would annoy me about a 2TB drive is that 1TB is all that I need

So I'd have to deal with partitioning it into a boot partition and a different partition

[stark bobcat]

lol I wish I could finally replace my 2tb hdd with an ssd

but I dont wanna buy sata and nvme is a bit expesive

[pale sigil]

My SD card says otherwise

Genuinely a good deal

[stark bobcat]

price?

[pale sigil]

Find me a 1tb SanDisk ultra SD card before prime day for £88

[ashen spindle]

sata and nvme is bascially the same price though

[pale sigil]

[cursive summit]

Why'd you need a 1TB SD

[stark bobcat]

are they? I though sata was usually cheaper havn't been looking sine I wont settle for sata or lower than 2tb

[cursive summit]

Nowadays there's no difference

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/steam-deck-cringe-gif-24525618

[stark bobcat]

based

[cursive summit]

Bruh

Boomer

[stark bobcat]

shut

[pale sigil]

Never thought I'd ever need a 1tb SD card till steam deck haha

[fair gull]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1623641-REG/sandisk_sdsqua4_1t00_an6ma_ultra_1tb_120mbs.html?ap=y&smp=y&srsltid=AdGWZVS4qwtj-bbufXh_3f_beKvxRaZYiE09hzfNfSUWDSXeNp8_hMSXR9U

not even amazon

regular price it seems

[stark bobcat]

pricematch on primeday

[pale sigil]

Price match

[fair gull]

ah as every online shop does

cause everyone can afford that

[cursive summit]

I haven't heard anything about this

Surely just fault at benchmarking

[stark bobcat]

well samsung changed smth but what others changed was much worse

but supply chains are kinda shit rn so some parts are harder to get

[cursive summit]

3 secs to 14 secs is no small difference you know

[stark bobcat]

some specific workloads

but other are faster afaik

[fair gull]

i can tell you from good sources that pricematching is only possible for big stores

[stark bobcat]

dont remeber exactly what they did

[fair gull]

like thousands of customers a day stores

[pale sigil]

I can also tell you that pricing is not normal

[cursive summit]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/samsung-seemingly-caught-swapping-components-in-its-970-evo-plus-ssds/

Oof

[stark bobcat]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/adata-and-other-ssd-makers-swapping-parts

nothing new at this point

[fair gull]

so the reason that the 25 or so distributors i order from all havent reduced the price at all is also that reason then

[cursive summit]

My lad if I got an SSD with up to 3.5GB/s speeds

I'd expect it to complete work in 3 secs

NOT 14

That's a perf difference of like 400%

[ashen spindle]

xpg doing it is one thing, samsung also doing it is another, they have a more credible name

[stark bobcat]

yeah is that read or write afaik they changed one of those for the better and the other for the wrose

adata does it too

[pale sigil]

Either way it's not normal pricing

[cursive summit]

This seems better than the Samsung one

[stark bobcat]

when do those speeds actually matter for you

[cursive summit]

They don't

[stark bobcat]

....

[cursive summit]

But 14 secs sounds like Samsung defo fucked something

Therefore, untrustworthy

[pale sigil]

On another note

[fair gull]

its amazon pricing and exactly why amazon is a shitty company

[pale sigil]

It's literally the exactly same price

It's a price match

[stark bobcat]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/silent-changes-to-western-digitals-budget-ssd-may-lower-speeds-by-up-to-50/

wd does the same shit

bruh everyone does this

[pale sigil]

All SSD makers do

[stark bobcat]

I have said it before

[fair gull]

if id have price match rules id loose out over 50eur on each 1tb microsd i sell

cause they cost me 150 smth odd already

actually 160

[pale sigil]

They price march

Match

Says on their site

[fair gull]

dont really care its their loss either way and amazon is even shittier for even doing it

[pale sigil]

Point is I got an actual good deal

So I'm happy

[stark bobcat]

https://open.spotify.com/track/1yjBOmUMtsUxGlGxMvFmRQ?si=5998722fed134e8c

[pale sigil]

And I know you have a hate boner for Amazon for very very good reasons

Amazon are nobs

[fair gull]

and yet u vote for them with ur wallet

[cursive summit]

Go fund that Bezos yacht some more

Nob

[fair gull]

this is the same shit argument as saying u hate a game company and yet u still buy their games

[stark bobcat]

blaming consumers for something that is wrong with the system kinda sus tho

[cursive summit]

Sounds like something that industrial companies would do to blame people for the greenhouse effect

[pale sigil]

I mean if the game is good I'll buy it but that's rare from these shitty companies

[fair gull]

well if we consumers dont want the change it wont change

[stark bobcat]

yup exactly

[stark bobcat]

consumers cant change monopolies

[fair gull]

i personally havent used amazon for a long time

[stark bobcat]

if only nvidia made gpus consumers couldnt do sh

[fair gull]

for me its become a tool to know if i even offer to order smth to a customer or not

[stark bobcat]

and amazon is just plainly winning on price because of many factors

[fair gull]

just go to the competitor

[pale sigil]

I mean I vote with my wallet for games lol, but right now this has real world value and saving £50-70 affects me a lot, nowhere else is price marching either in the UK afaik

[cursive summit]

To be frank, Amazon really is not a monopoly

eShops aren't an amazon exclusive

[fair gull]

na amazon patented online shopping

only they can do it

mysterious tech

[stark bobcat]

you can do that but if no one else does you just paid more for no benefit at all

boycotts dont work

[fair gull]

paid more ya

deffo saw that with amd

the amd cpus are all three times the intel price

[stark bobcat]

talking about amazon here

[fair gull]

no venefit

[fair gull]

i pay like at most 20bucks more

and i dont give a shit if my printer is 100 or 120

[frozen ingot]

I've never even used amazon and I still loathe them

[stark bobcat]

yes on multiple items that adds up

[fair gull]

and i still dont care

[stark bobcat]

you might not

[fair gull]

id rather spend my money on local shops

than bezos

[stark bobcat]

maybe someone who earns less does

[fair gull]

yes and if they continue to support amazon and other nega corps like this they wont eat at all in the future

cause all local jobs will be fuckin dead

[stark bobcat]

yes which is why there needs to be regulations because regular consumers won't fix something like this

[pale sigil]

Lol

[fair gull]

ah ye let the totally not paid off politician do smth about a thing everyone uses and likes

thats some backwards logic

[pale sigil]

SD card is already write protected

[stark bobcat]

well did I say corruption was good that I liked lobbying with no transparency I don't think so

[fair gull]

cool so we agree the only way is if people stop thinking about their immediate situation and think a few more steps ahead

[stark bobcat]

and u think that will happen?

[fair gull]

not if people are like you and just wing it using the thing they hate cause boycotting doesnt work

ofc it doesnt work if everyone thinks like that

[pale sigil]

Wow my luck

[stark bobcat]

I don't just use things I hate I don't hate amazon enough to boycott them xD I think amazon sucks ass but why pay more than twice as much for something I want multiple times over

[pale sigil]

Bloody SD card is a dud

[stark bobcat]

I boycott nestle because I hate them do I think it ll work hell no

[pale sigil]

Seems the adapter was the issue

I had a spare

Sigh

These read speeds are bad

Really bad

[stark bobcat]

are they as advertised?

[pale sigil]

Not even close

Most reviews showed more

I'm going to test again but on my desk because I have a feeling it might be my laptop... I couldn't find my usual adapter I use on my pc

[fair gull]

well my current boycott is modern calculators

[pale sigil]

I can get behind that

[fair gull]

na was more a joke tbh

modern calcs have their place

but i do love the engineering of the curta calculators

marvels of mechanical engineering

[pale sigil]

wot

SteamOS formats the SSD and takes up 99% of the SD card for itself.

I thought that was just the OS itself not expanded storage 😒

Ok the benchmark results are much better on my deck.... must be my laptop like i said.

the write speed is extremely dissapointing though but sadly most SD cards are.

unless you spend a lot

[cursive summit]

100 MB/s 🤢

[pale sigil]

te deck is capped anyway

[cursive summit]

What's the most annoying about SD cards

It's not the SD card itself that's mostly the fault for slow speed

It's the reader

For some reason the SD card readers are always unreliable

[pale sigil]

ffs

why is my windows being a dick

my pc has been on all night despite sending shutdown signal

so annoyed

and its been running a vm all night for some reason

[cursive summit]

Did you forget to press "don't save" on that notepad you wrote 1 letter on and forgot?

[pale sigil]

i did force close

force shutdown

sorry

[ashen spindle]

im pretty sure with the right shutdown commands nothing can stop that unless that changed recently

guess it depends how forcefully you want to stop things that are running

[cursive summit]

I'm mostly annoyed about paint and notepad not closing if you wrote 1 letter or placed 1 dot on them

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/_QPl5Maq8pQ

Finally, tab redesign

[cursive summit]

Yay linux stuff

What we would do without you Lana

[ashen spindle]

well you wouldn't want it to close if you wrote an entire essay and its not really a good idea to say it should ignore stuff below x amount of characters

[cursive summit]

Thanks for the daily useless info about Linux

[wheat plume]

:')

[cursive summit]

Yeah fair enough

[halcyon moss]

and removed that 1 letter

[ashen spindle]

well even if its empty afterwards, if you want to really remove it it should save the deletion or maybe it was an accident

and then you get into the same issue, should it only stop you if you deleted more than x letters etc.

[pale sigil]

other than the write bonus you will gain no bonus for read as its capped at 100mb

starting to think downloading the games might be quicker

[stark bobcat]

Same speed I'd assume

[pale sigil]

this is my other sd card

[stark bobcat]

Oh

Oof

[pale sigil]

plugged in one of my spare SSDs

much better xD

tbf im not saving a great deal of timer

i get around 50-60 when downloading these days

[reef patrol]

I just - LOVE - taking backups of harddrives.

[pale sigil]

i dont

[reef patrol]

It goes from 1 hour to over a day

[pale sigil]

worse than printers

[reef patrol]

It's only a 160GB Mac drive...but ye gods this is taking forever with a million tiny OS files.

[ashen spindle]

yeah tahts why I dont backup anymore

[pale sigil]

could be worse

could be ftp

i do all my backups in the background so i never notice

[reef patrol]

Kind of have to. It's my uncle's old Macbook Pro. The GPU is dead and he just wants the data.

[ashen spindle]

ah

[fair gull]

why arent you doing a sector based disk image

usually way faster

[ashen spindle]

yeah I just need passwords saved and the rest I dont really care about

[reef patrol]

Because I want to grab files first in case the drive suddenly decides to crap itself.

It's taking images and documents first. When this is done I do an image as well just in case.

[fair gull]

so what if it decides to crap itself now

[reef patrol]

Then at least I will have SOME of the images 😛

[pale sigil]

Cloning the drive is the first part of backup in most places before inspecting.

So why not do the same

:p

[halcyon moss]

copying is so much easier though

[reef patrol]

Because dealing with a half-finished image file is... not something I fucking want to risk.

[pale sigil]

Whats easier is using a tool like easeus which makes an image you can explore freely and just recover what you want.

[reef patrol]

I'd rather grab 40% of the data and actually be able to read it. Than spending literal days trying to recover a fucked image.

[pale sigil]

It also saves space and runs in the background

[pale sigil]

Understandable.

[reef patrol]

At any rate - It's just photos and nostalgia. It's a Macbook proh- With an HDD.

Tells you the age.

(Mind you the priciest model they had at the time - cause of course the Apple engineer gets that)

[reef patrol]

This made me chuckle out loud. Guess what's in it.

#DanishOnANSI struggles

[fair gull]

wot

[reef patrol]

So ANSI doesn't have the key next to Z. Guess where we put backslash.

[ashen spindle]

above the enter key

[reef patrol]

\

[reef patrol]

That's backspace.

[ashen spindle]

uhhh what

[reef patrol]

There is one key above enter. That's Backspace.

[ashen spindle]

oh some weird compact layout

[reef patrol]

Nope - We just decided <> was a single key.

[crimson wigeon]

Wait that's the <|> key how do you do | then?

[reef patrol]

Forward slash is only on the numpad. Yes - Programming in Danish is... well yeah 😄

[ashen spindle]

but normal ansi has a key between enter and backspace

[reef patrol]

The layout does not. Danish does not exist in an ANSI format.

[ashen spindle]

please show me a picture of it lol

[reef patrol]

That's Alt GR and the key left of backspace.

[crimson wigeon]

̧̧̧ ̧ ̧ ̧ ̧̧ that's just this weird looking thing.. hm..

[fair gull]

usually on ansi keyboards they copy the key thats left of enter on iso to be above enter on ansi

at least on ger ansi thats how they do it

[reef patrol]

Ansi...board...what?

[fair gull]

both are german caps

[reef patrol]

You've lost me at this point - What are we even talking about anymore.

I am having a chuckle about not having \ on an ANSI board using default Danish layout and literally keeping a text file around to copy paste it.

[fair gull]

yes so whats above enter

thats what we were asking

u said backspace

[reef patrol]

Yes... like on any ISO board.

[fair gull]

no thats not ansi then

as u can see

[reef patrol]

FFS TONY xD

[fair gull]

ansi has a key between enter and backspace

[reef patrol]

The key above enter does not produce a backslash on an ANSI board with danish layout.

[ashen spindle]

so what does it do

[reef patrol]

Fuck if I remember - Not going to get up and grab one of my ANSI boards to check 😄

[fair gull]

well we just wanted to know if that might be it thabks for telling us

[reef patrol]