Much better sound
#🔌│tech
pale sigil
but no the audiophile community do not love them and if they did its purely for ad money from referrals on amazon 
Notice how they rarely review itms they cant add amazon buttons for?
shadow minnow
Wired. But out of wireless most I watched reviews of compared them to cheaper Sonys, bit better but not worth it
cursive summit
Tfw you realize that
HD 600 and a Bluetooth DAC/AMP is 0.5x the cost for infinite x the performance
astral haven
Yes
They say this
Not that they sound good
Compared to serious headphones they sound bad
Heck
I own a set of wireless headphones that slaughter them and are 10 years old lmao
Tho obviously the airpods have better anc considering they are open backs lol
cursive summit
A simple example why wireless audio is shit
Compare top of the line, WF4, AirPods 3 or whatever mic
To a 5$ wired iem mic
5$ legit wins
Wireless codec just isn't there yet
Although good things have been said about the new qualcomm lossless tech
astral haven
Compare top of the line, WF4, AirPods 3 or whatever mic
This however is intentional
I have made a jank setup of 4 Bluetooth transmitters and receivers that allows a wired (dual cable) headset to run wirelessly
And it sounds identical to native
astral haven
Headset that has separate headphones and mic cable
wheat plume
o.o I see, never saw that before
astral haven
Sennheiser PC series is all that
cursive summit
Why'd multiple manufacturers nerf their product lines
astral haven
Why'd multiple manufacturers nerf their product lines
Cause it's cheap and percentage wise of users, noone cared
cursive summit
"cheap"?
Last I checked top of the line wireless was hundreds of dollars
Not that cheap
astral haven
1 Bluetooth chip rather than 2
The bom on $400 headsets is like $60
So a pair of $12 chips rather than just 1 would hurt bad
chrome estuary
Hold on... When are HD600/6XX a "Fraction of the cost"?
Airpod Max are like 500$
HD6XX were 300-400 from what I remember
astral haven
1/2 is a fraction
$300 is half of $600
cursive summit
6XX are like 220$ on a normal day
Pair 6XX which is like 220$ off of Massdrop and what, a 80$ or so BTR5
chrome estuary
When I hear "fraction of the cost" I think like 100$ compared to 600$
chrome estuary
Btr5 is 120$ last I checked
cursive summit
Like I BET my ass that HD580 with BTR5 still sounds better
chrome estuary
Yeah of course they're gonna be better but the wording is still misleading.
cursive summit
I don't remember saying the word fraction
astral haven
Lana did
astral haven
Wait no pleasant not lana
chrome estuary
Pleasant did yeah
cursive summit
Idk how about you lads but I see no reason to buy overpriced shitty hardware that are Apple's maxes
astral haven
Imo the bigger problem is you can get better sound for about $50 by getting chus, a few eartips to figure out what you like and a $12 by receiver
astral haven
Idk how about you lads but I see no reason to buy overpriced shitty hardware tha...
I see reasons
But none of them are audio quality related
cursive summit
Really interested in how those will be
The electrostats don't appear interesting
A bit expensive
But the 699 planars and 199$ dynamics are hella interesting
If a 200$ headphone compares to HD800 jesus christ, that'll be end of the world for audio
astral haven
What
cursive summit
Moondrop's launching 3 headphones this season
I think 3, electrostats might be end of year
199$ dynamic driver, 699 planar and 999 electrostats
The dynamic's FR was compared to HD 800
Looks really clean
astral haven
It is 2022 lol
Hd800 has not been the benchmark of audio quality for quite a few years
cursive summit
It's the benchmark typically for a great headphone
astral haven
It's the bar that any headphone has to pass over $500 to be considered good
It is the baseline
Not the benchmark
chrome estuary
eh
ashen spindle
you can just put it into a white case
but nothing planned in that regard as we know it
assuming they are the same type (which they most likely are) yes
if its cherry mx compatible keycaps they will fit
not sure how to describe it
its linear, so not tactile bump
think so, never used cherry but its just a linear switch so smooth start to finish
wouldn't make much sense since you can set the actuation point
but a tactile bump is set and cant really be changed
reef patrol
use this end on PC
cursive summit
It types
It.. writes?
It lekkers
It hall effects
Idk what else can it do
It's a keyboard
astral haven
lekker edition is the color
cursive summit
And a fantastic one at that
Like what carmonben said
Lekker edition is a special edition of HE keyboards
The fancy keycap colour
astral haven
too late for them 🤷
cursive summit
Lekker switch is the special switch
frozen ingot
two HE is identical except for the keycaps afaik
ashen spindle
also its not tkl, lekker is fullsize like the 2HE
astral haven
yes
ashen spindle
yes
astral haven
arrow keys?
cursive summit
Cause they need the space
cursive summit
Me
astral haven
me
frozen ingot
is it actually a small table or what seems to be the modern definition of a small table which is approx a football field
ashen spindle
same reason people would get a 60% instead off fullsize
astral haven
thats already in use for tab switching
ashen spindle
alt tab does not switch tabs..
frozen ingot
I'm pretty cramped here but I do make room for a fullsize
ashen spindle
that switches programs
frozen ingot
I'm a bit intrigued to try out something smaller
have only owned fullsize for like 30 years
frozen ingot
I'm tempted to get a 60HE and see if I could stand living with just 60% and function layers
astral haven
96% is 99 keys
ashen spindle
you dont just get random boardsizes either.. so no you would not get half a key
frozen ingot
they didn't really exist to any larger extent until I was like 20
yeah grew up using the arrow and numpad keys a lot too but I don't do that as much any longer so 60% might work, kinda worse losing the F keys to me now
yes, F1-F12
above the number keys
I know
cursive summit
As an Arma 3 and similar game player, I need numpad, F and literally all the other keys
frozen ingot
just a bit inconvenient doing the fn tning
same with star citizen, not even a fullsize has enough keys for all the binds
ashen spindle
you can get used to it, it's still limited in what it can do
astral haven
i do work on my keyboard...
most keyboard keys are there for a reason...
frozen ingot
if you mostly do wasd fps gaming then a 60% is probably well enough
astral haven
🤷 i use the same setup for working at home and gaming
dont have the space for that
i have the space for 2 mice tho lol
ashen spindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kvmccinWMk that has a sound test at some point
astral haven
The keyboard + mousepad width is exactly the width of my desk and it's great
the wooting is just sliiightly too wide for me :/
but 60% is just sooooo limiting
you have never needed arrow keys?
ashen spindle
especiall arrow keys while needing to press other keys can be a struggle
astral haven
spreadsheet data entry is a pain without number cluster and arrows
fair gull
The keyboard + mousepad width is exactly the width of my desk and it's great
i recommend getting a bigger desk my guy
astral haven
me too
but
bigger desk eats into the space that I used to set aside for vr but now dont use because im too lazy
fair gull
i do vr in another room lol
astral haven
im not doing vr in my bathroom
and my closet is full of clothes
frozen ingot
I got a bunch of rack gear on my desk behind my monitor I should probably move elsewhere
but can't be arsed lol
astral haven
my pc is sitting on a switch because I dont have space for a rack
frozen ingot
I have to put my second monitor on top of the left speaker because there's no space for it elsewhere
👌🏻 
ashen spindle
that reminds me, can anyone recommend me an HDMI extension cable that works on an oculus and not lack so that I get no image?
astral haven
the fan was loud so I took it apart 4 years ago to check what type of fan it can take
and I unplugged the fan then
I havent taken it apart since
its a 180w switch
completely fanless
crimson wigeon
Mmm, toasty
astral haven
its still alive which means its fine lol
frozen ingot
nah is fine fam, capacitors love heat
astral haven
right now nothing
frozen ingot
if you can stand waiting for the ARM I'd get that
since its the more "futureproof" version, but they won't really differ until 2024 earliest
as of now ARM allows for a few more wootility user templates stored on the actual board iirc
shadow minnow
5$ legit wins
That is very unlikely.
Like wireless codec is rather limiting but won’t make badly calibrated mic better, also noice cancelation
cursive summit
How is that unlikely if that's literally the case
frozen ingot
basically you have 4 slots for your custom setups for different games, 1 digital and 3 analog
that's stored inside the keyboard memory
cursive summit
Go see the recordings of sub-10$ KZ's and Apple's airpods 3
KZ's sound much better
frozen ingot
ARM supposedly has more memory for storing a couple more setups
shadow minnow
How is that unlikely if that's literally the case <:lul:576475280303063096>
Well not from my experience must have found a very good mix
shadow minnow
Go see the recordings of sub-10$ KZ's and Apple's airpods 3
Well that’s rather different from AirPods max
cursive summit
Wouldn't be surprised at all if Maxes also sound like shit
frozen ingot
and potentially in the future the extra cpu power of ARM would allow for more functionality than the AVR
exactly what though we have no idea yet
astral haven
Well that’s rather different from AirPods max
airpod max bluetooth mic sounds atrocious...
astral haven
^
cursive summit
In fact they suck at sound quality
With wireless the sound quality went back in time like 40 years
astral haven
1 direction you can just about get lossless
and youve been able to do that for about 10 years
but bidi lossless wireless audio hasnt been done
i mean outside of network audio
frozen ingot
its already an insane keyboard, leaps ahead the competition
astral haven
also holy crap
I just got these ndh20s and they are insano
the imaging is so precise, and I dont hear any resonance even tho they are closed back
they are $400 and they entirely slaughter the hd820s
it is crazy to think that the hd820 and this are made by the same company
cursive summit
Are we thinking about the same HD 820s here?
astral haven
you wont notice the differenec
https://www.sennheiser-hearing.com/en-US/p/hd-820/
yes this pile of garbage
cursive summit
Now I learned HD820s are closed back
Yeah not surprising
Closed backs are a tough sell in over-200$ category
astral haven
also holy crap
I just got these ndh20s and they are insano
the imaging is so pre...
now that I know sennheiser can make this masterpeice theres no excuse
ashen spindle
for a second I thought you talked about a noctua with that name
astral haven
lel
cursive summit
Noctuas do sound amazing 
astral haven
obviously they dont add any soundstage to anything
but for music that has soundstage it recreates it perfectly
when I was trying the hd820s I couldnt use them for more than 5 minutes, they sounded like they were trying to compress the soundstage back into your head for certain frequencies, and pull it out for others
ashen spindle
dead already?
astral haven
??
a scratch is a muuuuch cheaper fix lol
crimson wigeon
Time to demand a new one
pale sigil
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721408065810989159/995783480271175780/IMG_20220710_210652.jpg
devastated, time to pretend it doesn't exist as its no longer perfect.
Selling steam deck
Anyone interested
has two scratches
shadow minnow
pale sigil
reef patrol
TWO scratches? Oh no. That's easily a 200£ writeoff right there.
shadow minnow
Mine
pale sigil
even with like 20 scratches i bet you can flip it for a lot
sorted
gonna order one now thank
pale sigil
what will we do
thats a 25 quid scratch that 😉
shadow minnow
fair gull
thats a 25 quid scratch that 😉
uh no its not
stark bobcat
Do u have the deck to look at it from the back or play with it?
fair gull
it only is if you care about a pristine console
which is already not the case since you turned it on
pale sigil
Do u have the deck to look at it from the back or play with it?
Aww land i have it on a spin table to admire it on my desk.
astral haven
get yourself a 1tb ssd at the same time
fair gull
Aww land i have it on a spin table to admire it on my desk.
i have you on a spin table
stark bobcat
I only use mine on the train since I commute every week pretty neat device
pale sigil
Im kidding all of yall
pale sigil
get yourself a 1tb ssd at the same time
getting one is a pita 
astral haven
just search "Surface 1tb ssd"
sort by lowest price
scroll till you find one that isnt for the pro 3
astral haven
30 days is enough to run a full suite of tests
you can always buy direct from dell if you want
its just more money
junior ore
def dont buy from china
don't even buy from a seller from amazon that has a chinese name. I still get fakes even from there.
astral haven
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225052837574
its ez in the us
dunno about uk
astral haven
what did I just say lol
astral haven
thats the other completely brainless thing about linux
why on earth does it ignore extensions
reef patrol
ISO are standards for things xD
wheat plume
yeh xzd
pale sigil
wheat plume
WTF d
wheat plume
thats the other completely brainless thing about linux
why on earth does it igno...
I like it
I can rename a video to video.potato and MPV will play it no issues still
pale sigil
super friend bonus points if anyone recognises the game
wheat plume
I KNOW I KNOW
LOL
cauise you told me.. xd
I also like it, cause it doesnt get tricked by fake extensions like Windows does and shows the correct previews
astral haven
the proooblem is that it would get tricked by fake file contents, even if the extension was correct...
with windows
if its an exe, it will get executed so you know not to click on it
wheat plume
why is Linus' monitor COD branded?
candid kernel
Maybe one they had around at that time?
reef patrol
Yeah 100%. Warehouse of things. Sometimes you just...grab whatever from it for some use.
amber tundra
ashen spindle
reef patrol
empty wren
shadow minnow
Something like this can happen with tachyon mode on, disabling it or setting activation point to 0.3 should fix it
junior ore
no it's more like there's a constant churn of fake memory chips churned from china, as in, scammers from china making big business there that aren't being shut down. from SD cards to Solid State Drives and even M2 Drives.
they sell their wares even on amazon and amazon will label them as official.
the only way to buy 'official' memory storage through amazon is now directly with the company's amazon store page. anywhere else on amazon is a scam.
and of course : yes ebay super risky
ashen spindle
well if you have the patience to deal with returns and are in a country where consumer protection at least exists to a degree it can still be worth it
junior ore
worth it how? spending 60 days waiting to receive and return a bootleg SD card just to get your 50 or more dollars back?
you know the bootlegs aren't going ot have the memory they say they have, it's not a matter of 'low quality' "1TB" Sd card. it'd be a 4GB card tagged and flashed as a 1TB to trick devices into thinking its a 1TB. that's how the scam works.
so what is the worth in the time and money spent?
ashen spindle
well yeah but an obvious fake sd capacity is not the same as looking for an m2 in <2280 sizes
junior ore
i don't see your point.
getting a fake 4GB m2 that was suppose to be a 1tb m2 is... the same as a fake SD scam
ashen spindle
your example is a thing that literally only can be a scam since it doesnt physically exist, the thing that people were looking at exists and just was only form chinese sellers
2230 nvmes exist and it appeared at that ime they were either not really in stock or overpriced in the uk so that chinese seller listing was posted
junior ore
wait wait wait
what doesn't exist?
scam M2, and in general scam solid states exist.
i'm not saying all M2s are scams. I'm saying some exist.
ashen spindle
yes and its very popular to have SD cards that have impossible specs listed and sometimes that also goes into legit specs and are scams but very often you can see those have an issue in the details
ashen spindle
also idk where you get 60 days waiting from
junior ore
shipping from and to china is a month or two long progress. here in the states anyways. shorter in other places. anyways. AGAIN : what is it that you said doesn't exist?
ashen spindle
you know the bootlegs aren't going ot have the memory they say they have, it's n...
this part, quite often they are doing this and listing it under specs that arent possible
ashen spindle
granted I dont often buy from china, but something like an m2 would more likely come via air freight and not 30 days on a boat right?
junior ore
it's not a matter of intentionally buying from china.
and idunno which common method is used for the scammers.
they just go with whatevers cheapest.
i assume.
i've ordered three times through amazon and i get fakes, and it always took a month to ship from china.
I don't even realize it half the time.
i wait out the week, wondering why the package isn't there and check and find out where its coming from.
and of course : it's a fake
ashen spindle
first look at aliexpress and it's 14 day delivery for this first 2230 m2s
junior ore
now if neded, i get elsewhere and i doublecheck with software if its real memory
ashen spindle
so I'd say thats not too bad if you can otherwise not find it
junior ore
didn;t you say you weren't in the states or such?
ashen spindle
no
junior ore
aliexpress is big enough buisness to have warehouses or such within the states. like. actual property rented and workers. not random amazon scammers.
ashen spindle
err not sure how that matters if they still ship from china
also, not in the states
junior ore
storage
stock
manufacture within china, allocate items elsewhere for distribution. logistics 101
ashen spindle
but the package still comes from shenzen either way?
junior ore
i don't know Aliexpress's policies, like, if they do returns or filter out scammers or such.
maybe?
ashen spindle
it does so the question is how does a warehouse in the states matter for those deliveries
junior ore
not every chip comes from hong kong or china. lots come from korea and taiwan. or at least from respectable-enough businesses. I'm just saying beware of scammers and a lot of them are within china
ashen spindle
well yeah that's sadly not something that will go away anytime soon
im just saying there are reasons where you can still consider it and if you dont order from some sketchy sites but something like amazon directly it's quire easy to get a refund if you need one
junior ore
if by easy you mean wait a stupidly long time, then maybe.
i just didn't bother for the last time. wasnt' too much money and i deemed it not worth it. reported it and moved on.
ashen spindle
that depends but sure can take a while
but in this example I would personally be ok waiting if the alternative is getting a bigger ssd here and cutting it down to fit lol
fair gull
guys guys guys youre not seeing the solution
junior ore
i'm not gonna be crazy enough for memory cutting personally >.> but thats just me.
ashen spindle
exactly, I also cba cutting the pcb and hoping it works, so might as well get something from china since the other option is waiting and finding if someone else releases one that isnt a chinese retailer lol
or I guess I could find some few that are not from a chinese seller but they are basically 3x the price so I would still not pay that lol
junior ore
i mean, if you just want some cheapo practice stuff sure then but if you are average joe and not cutter-solder mcbob then it's not something reocmmended.
fair gull
what even is the discussion about lol
junior ore
i was recommending against ordering solid state memory products from china on account of massive amount of scams coming from there and he was arguing it was still worth trying. for some reason.
junior ore
paypal isn't goign to physically change the fake ot a real one
fair gull
they will refund you tho if its a scam or doesnt arrive
junior ore
right but its also a time investment that you aren't getting back.
fair gull
not really a big time investment
stark bobcat
Honestly just buy from a reputable company
junior ore
all I'm saying is it's a gamble to not buy from a reputable company.
stark bobcat
Anything above 100€ I'd not gamble on AliExpress
junior ore
most def
fair gull
i mean i dont really care either way
junior ore
beware even the 50 ones too
fair gull
i could order 20 1tb m.2 2230 to tomorrow if i want
stark bobcat
Some years ago I got se pretty good deals on xeons on there
Haven't been scammed yet either but I also haven't tried buying storage
stark bobcat
Price ?
ashen spindle
i was recommending against ordering solid state memory products from china on ac...
im saying its still worth a try since especially in this case there is literally no other option, unless you make your own nvme size lol
stark bobcat
Capacity as advertised?
junior ore
well yeah, 512 MB. that's not worth scammers time lol
fair gull
yes 512mb
fair gull
im saying its still worth a try since especially in this case there is literally...
you say that
stark bobcat
Did you fill it up entirely
junior ore
im saying its still worth a try since especially in this case there is literally...
what do you mean "no other option"?
fair gull
@ashen spindle
stark bobcat
There are scams that change sd firmware to report the wrong capacity
junior ore
There are scams that change sd firmware to report the wrong capacity
I already told them that
ashen spindle
no other option as in when I last checked the only other 2230 m2 I could find was for 330€ aka almost tripple the price
ashen spindle
could not find anything like that on geizhals or similar
junior ore
1TB at 330 sounds a good deal. for solid state. for an M2 solid state.
ashen spindle
1tb for 330 sounds good? tf are you buying
fair gull
but reasonable imo
stark bobcat
Pretty sure I've seen a deal on these today at mydealz
fair gull
1tb for 330 sounds good? tf are you buying
ya no thats just garbage prices
junior ore
hhmmm... maybe i;m behind on the prices for them then
ashen spindle
I'm willing to pay a bit more for form factor but not tripple normal price
stark bobcat
1TB at 330 sounds a good deal. for solid state. for an M2 solid state.
1tb pcie 4 is ~150 probably less
stark bobcat
Well pcie 3 would be less
fair gull
it is
in my screen at least
but considering the situation of currently over 100 other ssds 2230 nvme m.2 1tb marked as EOL
(mainly cause even my distribs dont know when they come back in stock)
stark bobcat
2230 is tough sadly
fair gull
im surprised i can order 89 rn if need be
ashen spindle
yeah so I guess the dell m2s I see are some leftover stock they try to remove
stark bobcat
I got the 512gb steamdeck tho so I'm chilling
junior ore
same
fair gull
also these ssds are shite
ashen spindle
so back to, can buy that from china if you are aware and willing to have some trouble since it might otherwise be super expensive or literally impossible
fair gull
400TBW
junior ore
i'm not gonna put triple A games on my steam deck so I wont be needing some 1TB for a long while
and even then : I also got my dummy switch on the side line for other games too.
fair gull
tmw i recheck the price with a time thats not 4am today
junior ore
I just need a laptop replacement
stark bobcat
Yeah rn I'm mostly playing rocket league and persona on it
fair gull
gg
junior ore
Yeah rn I'm mostly playing rocket league and persona on it
you got yours already? lucky lucky.
i was Q2 that got booted to Q3 and am still waiting.
ashen spindle
oh wow the official site has some atm https://www.dell.com/de-de/shop/dell-m2-pcie-nvme-gen-3x4-class-35-2230-solid-state-laufwerk-1tb/apd/ab673817/massenspeicher-laufwerke-und-speichermedie
fair gull
next best ssd i can get is kioxia 1tb 2230 to the 14. july
stark bobcat
Mfw every 1 is german
fair gull
oh wow the official site has some atm https://www.dell.com/de-de/shop/dell-m2-pc...
even the kioxias arent 230 without vat
171 excluding vat
stark bobcat
Oof
junior ore
is listening to german songs but sadly not german
fair gull
be glad ure not german
junior ore
fair gull
german and germany sucks
stark bobcat
be glad ure not german
Leider doch
fair gull
leider nich geil
junior ore
idunno about that. i love hearing the langauge <3 what makes it sucks?
ashen spindle
leider nich geil
wir wissen alle du bist doch gar nicht in deutschland sondern königreich söder
fair gull
reading it
fair gull
wir wissen alle du bist doch gar nicht in deutschland sondern königreich söder
ach haben wir doch schon nen neuen staatsnamen?
guck an guck an
fair gull
aber gut solang wir nich zur 1 mann diktatur zurückkommen is alles tutti
stark bobcat
Writing it is a pain tho
junior ore
english is full of meme material in how sentence structure can be done.
ashen spindle
they are the yellow of the egg
stark bobcat
*from
junior ore
this is hialrious btw
we had just gotten a new coworker
fresh from germany, came into the states only just 6 weeks ago
gotta love coincidences.
stark bobcat
What job do u do if I may ask?
junior ore
IT at a hospital : IT Assets.
stark bobcat
One day I too wish to be a productive member of society
fair gull
they are the yellow of the egg
i think i spider
ashen spindle
no, believe
fair gull
my english is not the yellow of egg
ashen spindle
eggcellent
stark bobcat
German humor is no laughing matter as always
stark bobcat
junior ore
i need a feeling for when one has to use pliers to open a tube of thermal paste when it wont open
fickle ore
Any monitor arm recs? 42" compat to be safe.
junior ore
arm recs?
crimson wigeon
arm recommendations
junior ore
oh. nah i got nothing for that.
vocal cipher
go with avr 
fair gull
i need a feeling for when one has to use pliers to open a tube of thermal paste ...
na just dem strong fingers
astral haven
Ergotron overpriced...
astral haven
Adata is one of those speed over reliability brands that doesn't have a solid warranty system...
What did you expect
pale sigil
Idk for me it's been reliable
But warranty for sure it seems bad
I'm doing it for my friend atm
ashen spindle
well I assume your sample size is quite small
even the worst brand seems fine for most people after all
fair gull
adata, kingston a400 and hp s700 ssds all have a very common failure
in my experience their controllers just die
in a to my mind fixable way even
but data is gone for good
junior ore
i highly don't recommend ADATA SSDs
i ordered several, cheap ones for experimenting with some hardware.
some 128s and 250s.
while dirt cheap, they had extremely short lifespan and not so great performance even for the cheap cost.
i don't believe ADATA has good quality control compared to the other companies.
ashen spindle
I would even say I dont recommend anything below 500 really, you do lose performance in general on the lower sizes
fickle ore
Sad that SK Hynix P41 isn't sold in EU
ashen spindle
yeye we are talking about most usecases not your special needs 😛
fair gull
i just go with samsung usually
fickle ore
yeye we are talking about most usecases not your special needs 😛
why so meanie
ashen spindle
wait thats not even an optane, saw you type a name and assumed it's going to be optane
fickle ore
Yea Adata's are fked. Hynix would be really cheap option if it was available. If it's available for u, just get that
ashen spindle
oh wow that is quite affordable for the specs
junior ore
samsung, western digital, hitachi, and seagate are main ones
ashen spindle
ehh, I'd put intel and sk hynix above seagate for ssds probably
kioxia I actually dont know anything about their models since the rebrand, so I guess nothing too bad happend or I wouldve seen it lol
pale sigil
Tbf is prob get a Samsung nvme next time since pricing is a little more reasonable now for their M2 drives
But before the price difference was 50-100
fickle ore
What about Arctic X1-3D that's 59€ and says max 42"? I don't know what's a HX.
pale sigil
But tbh I'm not worried about my nvme as I got it from Amazon and pretty much Amazon have others coveted me in warranty
Never had to go through the manufacturer for warranty if I got it from Amazon
Hell Amazon outright refunded my failed 1070 after 3 years
That still blows me away lol
fickle ore
Ahh yeha looks nice but would cost more than my monitor lmao
ashen spindle
Ahh yeha looks nice but would cost more than my monitor lmao
still not getting that qdoled ? 😛
fickle ore
Ya I could get ones with 32" compat and 9kg but I kinda wanna buy the one with 42" and 15kgs just incase I switch over to OLED
ashen spindle
its only around 2 months wait time now heh
fickle ore
still not getting that qdoled ? 😛
Well maybe I am, hence I play safe with the 42" ^^
I'm just waiting to see samsung one tbh
ashen spindle
im surprised we still dont know anything about the msi or samsung model in terms of price and release date
no way dell got all the allocation so that they have to wait
astral haven
So uh
I might have placed an order for a dumb monitor
ashen spindle
noice
astral haven
?
fickle ore
Uhh idk
astral haven
What other 4k240hz is there?
It also has 1200 nit 10% window hdr and over 1k zone dimming
Apparently also native contrast of around 4k too before dimming
fickle ore
True that, didn't see it was 4k. Prob more this year and the next with new gpu gens coming with DP 2.0 I would guess.
Just that it's over 1k for non-oled is :/
Still regardless sick specs
fair gull
So uh
I might have placed an order for a dumb monitor
why not a g9
astral haven
Dunno
What OLED does 1200 nit highlights and 350 Fullscreen white
But imo more importantly, 240hz
180hz to 240 was a huge noticeable upgrade for me
I don't think I could drop to 160 or even 120
astral haven
why not a g9
Too big
32 inch already the size of my desk
Also 9 dimming zones is horrific
fickle ore
Dunno
What OLED does 1200 nit highlights and 350 Fullscreen white
But imo more i...
You had m2k? 8khz makes 240hz truly shine. 1khz makes 240hz still quite a laggy.
astral haven
You had m2k? 8khz makes 240hz truly shine. 1khz makes 240hz still quite a laggy.
Disagree
But 8k is definetly noticeable in osu
1k is definetly not laggy lol
fickle ore
such a big difference on my 280hz panel
astral haven
Eh
I didn't
I mostly just noticed my CPU overheating in a number of apps
I mostly just use 2k cause it doesn't cause stutter in any games
fickle ore
Motion perception is fk'd in close FOV games bc your fast turns are lagged by the 1khz granularity. Motion of moving enemies during fast swipes is much more smooth on a 8khz mouse.
See if you can notice playing OW with genji up close or tracer
chrome estuary
i'm fine with 144hz
astral haven
Don't play ow and don't intend to start now
astral haven
i'm fine with 144hz
I'm fine with 120hz
But 240 is noticeably better
chrome estuary
there's a point of diminishing returns personally
fickle ore
Don't play ow and don't intend to start now
Fine. Just saying that in 2D games only your cursor is choppy, but in 3D your whole world is choppy because your camera has the granularity of the mouse polling rate :b
astral haven
there's a point of diminishing returns personally
Yep and I haven't reached it yet considering the improvement from 180 to 240
astral haven
Fine. Just saying that in 2D games only your cursor is choppy, but in 3D your wh...
My fps is lower than 1/4 my hz at 2khz
It's choppy from the fps not the polling
chrome estuary
eh, i still personally feel high refresh rate is kind of a meme. I've always felt that way and will probably always feel that way but you do you.
fickle ore
My fps is lower than 1/4 my hz at 2khz
It's choppy from the fps not the polling
Effective granularity of both =p
chrome estuary
however i'd like a high end oled monitor but ouch the price
fickle ore
My fps is lower than 1/4 my hz at 2khz
It's choppy from the fps not the polling
You can even make 60hz smoother on 8khz mouse.
chrome estuary
my secondary and tertiary monitors are 60hz
my main is 144
ashen spindle
yes it's diminishing the higher you go, but its not reaching 0, we know 1000hz is still giving benefits
doesnt mean it going to be unplayable if it drops lower
astral haven
eh, i still personally feel high refresh rate is kind of a meme. I've always fel...
There are studies done that measured tangible benefits to 20khz (over 50% of the users studied) and preferential benefits up to 10khz in some people (around 10% of the study)
ashen spindle
uhh are you sure those numbers are correct
astral haven
There's a reason that mprt of below .3 isn't the limit
astral haven
uhh are you sure those numbers are correct
100%
fickle ore
i just don't give a damn
Well that is entirely dependant what you do on the PC I guess. I wouldn't bother for excel either.
ashen spindle
10kHz is noticeable by less than the amount that notice 20khz?
fickle ore
Gsync and rpg games are totally fine on 60hz
ashen spindle
or is it something like at 10kz they dont notice it but even more hz helps them too
astral haven
10kHz is noticeable by less than the amount that notice 20khz?
No
50% could see 20khz
All could see 10khz
90% didn't care about 10khz
chrome estuary
anything below 60 then yeah.
ashen spindle
ahhhh ok then the numbers make sense
fickle ore
U shuld see me; my gaming mouse sensor broke. No moving yet clicks works. I'm using my work office dell mouse at 125 hz. It makes my 280hz screen look like 60hz LOL
astral haven
With crt it was more important cause pov
60hz crt causes physical pain in alot of people
fickle ore
I remember even 100 hz crt causing pain
junior ore
what u mean
fickle ore
I think the flickering went away at something like 120hz
junior ore
60 and 75hz is what crt ran
astral haven
Nah
Most were 75
Some were 85
astral haven
At least with 2ms phosphors
fair gull
60hz crt causes physical pain in alot of people
id argue hitting anyone over the head with any monitor causes physical pain
altho i agree a crt would do it faster and better
junior ore
even at the lower resolutions, i don't think they can run at those higher refresh rates. i don't think they were designed to go that high.
astral haven
With 2ms phosphors at 60hz, it causes me significant headaches
fickle ore
even at the lower resolutions, i don't think they can run at those higher refres...
Uhh, lotsa trinitrons went to like 180hz/200hz
astral haven
even at the lower resolutions, i don't think they can run at those higher refres...
I was running 120hz at 1080p lol
junior ore
citation on these, please
fickle ore
citation on these, please
My faded memory
junior ore
also a CRT is fast as shit yeah but they suffer from Geometry.
fair gull
they suffer from making desks bow
junior ore
they arent that heavy
fickle ore
My desk looked like a U with a 22" 42 kg CRT
fair gull
ah so the bow my old desk had was imaginary
junior ore
i own two monitors and two tvs that are crt
fair gull
My desk looked like a U with a 22" 42 kg CRT
ik the feel
astral haven
citation on these, please
https://aperturegrille.fandom.com/wiki/SONY_GDM-FW900
Best crt was 1440p16:10 165hz
fair gull
i also know the feel of dragging my crt to lan parties
fickle ore
Lul g0rilla
junior ore
https://aperturegrille.fandom.com/wiki/SONY_GDM-FW900
Best crt was 1440p16:10 16...
right but we were talking average. not some rare 5000 dollar one.
fair gull
bruh i used one of those bicycle wagon things
ashen spindle
junior ore
BUT : cool that it exists
fickle ore
This guy went to like 180/220 hz iirc on low reso
fair gull
200
junior ore
didn't know know but now i know
cursive summit
fair gull
it states it
cursive summit
chrome estuary
i want one of those little crt tvs
ashen spindle
the text in the bottom shows 200hz yes
chrome estuary
the little portable ones
junior ore
whats your source, quin?
astral haven
BUT : cool that it exists
Yea but that's the limit of vga
Remember the electron beam is analog
If you can vsync that on this monitor, it's possible on any monitor
The only difference will be height of the image on screen
fair gull
he has 10
ashen spindle
third google result for crt 200hz
fair gull
and uses them as a crt wall
ashen spindle
blurbusters forum
astral haven
I toyed around with a crt for a while and you could basically increase vertical clock until your image was too small
fair gull
i mean crts are theoretically only limited by phosphor response times iirc
fickle ore
i mean crts are theoretically only limited by phosphor response times iirc
Just beam more jiggawatz
ashen spindle
nobody said the 200hz model is the average
chrome estuary
this is a little off topic but i want something like this
https://images.unsplash.com/photo-1528928441742-b4ccac1bb04c?ixlib=rb-1.2.1&ixid=MnwxMjA3fDB8MHxzZWFyY2h8NXx8dHZ8ZW58MHx8MHx8&w=1000&q=80
astral haven
okay so saying the best one ever was 200.
No
Best one ever was 547,430,400 pixels per second
fair gull
fickle ore
I want the Nvidia 20khz prototype panel
fair gull
apparently the fastest crt
junior ore
lol i want a modern CRT
best one i got is a black IBM for my retro computer and a jump trinitron for my consoles
fickle ore
lol i want a modern CRT
OLED rolling scan
junior ore
OLED Rolling scan?
fickle ore
Ye well it's the closest
astral haven
Basically would be identical to a crt except even dimmer currently
The only disadvantage would be the static resolution
fickle ore
Yeah modern displays are too rigid in resos
junior ore
honestly thats fine by me.
ashen spindle
thankfully monitor makers have some time for gpu makers to catch up before we can fully utilize all that
junior ore
i think software developers need time ot catch up to the hardware. not the other way around.
astral haven
OLED Rolling scan?
The real problem is noone does that in reality cause it's a pain to design the tft
junior ore
dude so many games are soooooooooooo unoptimized, compared to games like TF2 and others.
ashen spindle
that just aint a game thats selling high end monitors that could raech that
astral haven
Imo hz over 2x fps is a good target
junior ore
you can even run team fortress 2 in DIRECT X 8
astral haven
Imo hz over 2x fps is a good target
For slow games
ashen spindle
yeah most source games also look bleak as hell
ofc that doesnt need a lot of gpu power
junior ore
source games can look great.
astral haven
And mouse movement on desktop is noticeable with different refresh
fickle ore
TFC>TF2
junior ore
it's just most of them have ages almost twenty years and some even more
nah thats Gold engine
not Source
astral haven
it's just most of them have ages almost twenty years and some even more
Titanfall 2 is definetly one of my top 3 games
fickle ore
Ye I'm a fossil
astral haven
And it was released in 2016?
junior ore
Titanfall 2 is definetly one of my top 3 games
Team Fortress 2, not Titan Fall 2
junior ore
Ye I'm a fossil
we both are >.< probably. '91 for me.
astral haven
Titanfall 2 is source 1 and runs relatively well
ashen spindle
yeah and you can run it in directx8 because it basically does nothing that taxes the gpu hard, that is less due to optimization and more to the fact that you get like 5 effects per weapon max in tf2
junior ore
no, thats not it.
ashen spindle
well aside from upward where you drop to less than 100 on any existing cpu for whatever reason lmfao
junior ore
it has to do with because its an old game. because the engine is old enough to have included and supported it,
so its a feature within it.
its not to do because "low effects"
ashen spindle
if it runs in dx8 it means it literally cant use any of the options only available in later versions?
crimson wigeon
No? Those things are simply disabled in DX8 mode, the game looks significantly different in DX8..
ashen spindle
oh yes, I meant in dx8 what they can use there
junior ore
thats.. not what the point was quin
ashen spindle
not that the game never uses anything newer
astral haven
Yup
Basically same story as GTX 480 in dx12
Basically everything is broken
junior ore
the point was : it's old. it's old enough to have Direct X 8 in it.
crimson wigeon
Yeah, 2007 that's pr- oh right that's a very long time ago indeed
junior ore
cries too
ashen spindle
well the orignal point was that games are not reaching that high fps because of lacking optimisation, but that's not always the case
junior ore
it very much is for several popular games.
take for instance Assassin's Creed series.
runs like dogass on carpet.
crimson wigeon
I would say it is, graphics aren't really getting that much better in some games, yet performance is significantly worse, why?
ashen spindle
AC in big part because the focus of those games is to run on console
junior ore
exactly NGH
and, exactly quin. that is part of the reason too.
bad ports is also bad optimization.
crimson wigeon
Although that applies to almost all software really ha
junior ore
lets not forget games that just. dump all over the practice of memory management
which is the big difference between C# and C++ : manual memory and autodumping
the issue with games that struggle, like with Elden Ring : it isn't because Hardware.
ashen spindle
you're still limited though by what you can do by hardware, a lot of things are coming from using higher resolution or have more objects, where the "optimization" to get more fps would be have less of them but thats not really an option
junior ore
it's software.
look at the case of Elden Ring where even the stuttering issues was fixed bya third party for a platform it wasn't supported on.
ashen spindle
so even with all the optimizations for the most part it's still hardware that would limit something like 1kfps for a lot of games
junior ore
optimization is always an option. it's a choice.
there is no hardware limitation with exception to consoles.
frozen ingot
I miss TFC CTF
half-life or quake?
ashen spindle
if you call it optimization to put 100 instead of 200 people in the crowd when 200 is what it was designed for, sure, then we simply disagree on what part is optimization
junior ore
if you call it optimization to put 100 instead of 200 people in the crowd when 2...
there needs ot be context. optimal for what?
there's missing information
ashen spindle
for how the game is designed to be
junior ore
i'm talking about what you said right there regarding the numbers and the crowd.
it makes sense because it's missing context.
is it : to make a super large crowd? 200 is optimal.
unless 200 causes issues.
okay i got an example
lets look at the newer hitman games
ashen spindle
yeah and in that case if the gpu cant do top performance with ideal code, then its hardware thats limiting it
junior ore
Hitman 2016+ has levels wiht hundreds of people
ashen spindle
im not saying games are not lacking optimization btw
junior ore
the way they go about it is a large chunk fo them is indeed a crap load of NPCs. but there are in various degrees of different types, for sake of not exploding your computer.
ashen spindle
yes a LOD style approach to npc
junior ore
optimization for not exploding someones PC : have some real ones that can do a lot of things, have some lesser NPCs that do much less stuff, and then have some that are essentialyl ghosts and just visuals.
^ this is what I mean in regards for optimization.
this is software.
this is what i am talking about
ashen spindle
yes and doing all that can still end up not being enough
junior ore
not bruteforcing "just get moar hardware bro"
if it's ever not enough then you simply don't implement it.
you don't set your game on fire to force it in like a dumbass.
ashen spindle
but then its not the game the designer wants to make
so you optimize the game away
as I said, if thats the case we disagree what optimization is if it goes to that degree
junior ore
optimization is coming to terms with reality and expectations and making it work.together.
ashen spindle
yes and that still can be not enough to make the game as you want it to be, so hardware is not ready for it lol
junior ore
thats a problem with the designer.
current modern hardware
is plenty ready for any and all games.
junior ore
we literally even have VR room games
we literally have augmented reality games
what hardware are we missing?
cursive summit
Where's my metaverse shit
junior ore
30 years ago we've had VR and AR stuff in 'sorta working' category but now we have them in good order.
cursive summit
I was told metaverse is the next big thing
junior ore
what hardware do we need for what kind of game?
ashen spindle
yeah and vr is good now, but still far away from the dpi and fov that it should ideally have
oh if we can make an elden ring with 0 loading times, larger map, more population density and 1kfps I'd agree
junior ore
we've had games before that don't do loading screens
ashen spindle
yes im talking about all that together
junior ore
we've had games where the map size is larger than various countries.
ashen spindle
any of them is easy alone
junior ore
Daggerfall loads so fast its basically no loading screen.
astral haven
what hardware are we missing?
"Retina" level refresh and resolution at full fov in vr for example
cursive summit
Why are we talking about 1990s game rn?
junior ore
nah, even better : we are missing neural interfaces.
ashen spindle
yes and I can make you a menu scene in unity with no optimization and can easily get above 1k fps, its just kinda missing the rest of the game
junior ore
it wouldn't be anything, really.
ashen spindle
just like daggerfall doesnt really high resolution for todays standards lol
junior ore
you hadn't seen the latest rendition of it :P
also it still holds record of biggest game map.
also you can find modern day games made in today's times that use older retro style graphics.
ashen spindle
cool, doesnt hold the highest density of things in an area though
junior ore
until you get into a city or town. and then they actually do.
ashen spindle
which is not the entire map then
junior ore
"oh my gosh wow the empty plains is... an empty field whoa :V"
yeah i know but a lot of it is wilderness stuff.
so, like. yeah. there's going to just be plains and hills and stuff.
and the towns and cities inbetween.
ashen spindle
mh yes the high density HD grass
astral haven
until you get into a city or town. and then they actually do.
It's not even close to a game like hla for example
junior ore
I.... I don't think you are understanding the point.
astral haven
Or hunt showdown
astral haven
a forest is a forest.
Yes but how many?
junior ore
i see trees
astral haven
And how varied
cursive summit
At least 1 forest
ashen spindle
im not even disagreeing that in practice there have to be tradeoffs to make it run on current hardware to be reasonable
im saying I disagree saying hardware we have is enough if optimization consists of cutting out stuff
and if we can't have 1kfps HL:A game with daggerfall size map and all, then hardware is lacking
junior ore
it's enough for another 6 or 8 years.
ashen spindle
partly because games are made knowing the specs, not because they all have what they want in it
astral haven
Push the hardware now so we don't have to rush in 6-8 years?
There are always improvements to be made
junior ore
i just think there are much more improvements to be made software wise at the moment than hardware. for now.
fickle ore
we both are >.< probably. '91 for me.
90 🙂
junior ore
nice
ashen spindle
sure thats fine, but what you said was
there is no hardware limitation
junior ore
what if we had another form of really really low level languages that is able to communicate close to the hardware but easier than assembly?
astral haven
i just think there are much more improvements to be made software wise *at the m...
The hardware and software design are surprisingly tightly integrated
Nvidia works with developers to figure out what were the previous bottlenecks of the last gen then improves them...
astral haven
what if we had another form of really really low level languages that is able to...
Vulkan
It already exists
fickle ore
DX12 ULTIMATE
junior ore
i thought that was a higher api?
fickle ore
Where tho!
ashen spindle
even if people could write assembly as easily as javascript that wouldnt make current hardware enough for everything
astral haven
i thought that was a higher api?
It's higher than asm and lower than opengl
junior ore
right but closer to the hardware the more you can untap from it. and thus the better performance you can get out of it, if you know what you are doing.
astral haven
But it directly interfaces with the hardware without significant limits
ashen spindle
oh god now you made me imagine vulkan but JIT
astral haven
Lel
ashen spindle
brb need some memory bleach
astral haven
That's what shaders are for
ashen spindle
true I do love shader bugs sometimes, they are easier to find unless you need to go really deep heh
junior ore
ah so I did misremember. Vulkan is indeed low level.
see, this is what I mean by software optimization. Vulkan is a big leap over DirectX. less proprietary too
ashen spindle
sure and I still dont disagree there xD
I still just dont agree that there is no hardware limitation currently
junior ore
this si true. honestly that is bad wording on my part.
astral haven
Yap
And everything vulkan can do directx and opengl can do
And they are only around 5-15% slower
cursive summit
Fuck Samsung in general, but specifically european ones
junior ore
what are those?
ashen spindle
mh yes, the one time they might actually have a chance to make exynos better than the snapdragon they drop it lolololol
cursive summit
This isn’t the first time we’ve heard about Samsung purportedly skipping an Exynos release next year. Korea’s Naver outlet made a wild claim back in May, alleging that Samsung would skip Exynos processors for devices in 2023 and 2024 ahead of a new in-house chipset debuting in 2025. Samsung told us at the time that “no specific decision” had been made in this regard.
ashen spindle
SS 3nm might be the best node for a while so they would have that going for them, wonder if the node or the chip development dropped the ball
cursive summit
I'd be fine with an actually god Exynos
But for now while they are a hot stinking pile of poop, I'd rather Snapdragon
Well Exynos 2200 gen 2 in 2025 let's go
ashen spindle
ss are seemingly the first to properly add GAAFET on 3nm since tsmc is moving slower so they might have the best node and not tsmc, im hoping the node is not the reason.. would be sad to see another node fail
frozen ingot
samsung more like assmung
ashen spindle
also cerebras is added to the transistor website now @astral haven 😛
astral haven
Sweet!
astral haven
SS 3nm might be the best node for a while so they would have that going for them...
It's chip
Qualcomm is on ss nodes for alot of chips
ashen spindle
sure but usually leading chips would be tsmc
and im sure if SS would want they could get priority access to 3nm to make a good exynos if they would want
sure not the same company technically but we know how samsung cares about that based on past illegal handlings lol
junior ore
HUZZUH I GOT THE STEAM DECK NOTIFICATION
astral haven
and im sure if SS would want they could get priority access to 3nm to make a goo...
🤷♀️ the leading chips will be on ss if they are cheaper per chip at the required performance
astral haven
HUZZUH I GOT THE STEAM DECK NOTIFICATION
Congrats!!
wheat plume
HUZZUH I GOT THE STEAM DECK NOTIFICATION
aSIO RFHaer sdoiug hsrtouir
I AM SO JEALOUS
;-;
astral haven
30% for me !!!
ashen spindle
well I'd just guess SS would be able to get first access and could get it made on SS3 before QC could port the design to it
junior ore
i never got that thing to work honestly. i just kept checking every mon-tue-wed
first game i'll run on it will be Runefactory 5 or maybe 4 UwU
wheat plume
why so? the screen reflections?
crimson wigeon
Gotta have the exclusive virtual keyboard theme
junior ore
supposedly the screen reflection works and is dandy and everything. but I think some people said the same effect can be had with a screen cover and you'll be wanting a screen cover to protect ti anyways. plus lower costs.
and the cost is a slight color difference that you can't tell unless looking side by side.
i'm probably not gonna be bothered honestly.
and it will be in a hevaily lit area
pale sigil
https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-s23-no-exynos-2023-3184499/
until it happens i feel like i have a better chance going to the moon than buying a samsung phone without Exynos
astral haven
why so? the screen reflections?
The bigger problem is the 512gb models are the biggest backorder queue
wheat plume
yeah, cause no one knew at the time that the SD card slot is almost as fast at loading games than the SSD
pale sigil
The bigger problem is the 512gb models are the biggest backorder queue
they move faster though
astral haven
they move faster though
Not in the us
astral haven
yeah, cause no one knew at the time that the SD card slot is almost as fast at l...
People were informed of that a while ago...
misty saffron
@neat oriole 🥳
pale sigil
<@289940229694029824> 🥳
im more surprised you have a section of your floor not full of shit
ashen spindle
neat oriole
<@289940229694029824> 🥳
cursive summit
Lads
A quick question
6900XT for 990€ or 6950XT for 1350€
Nvidia not an option unless 3080, which is also 910€, 3080Ti is the same price as 6950XT, I won't even start about 3090 and upper
So, 3080, 6900XT, or shell out 350€ extra for 6950XT
1440p gaming mainly
Leaning towards 6900XT, I don't see the 300€ price uplift justified
Also aiming to pair it with 5800x3D
ashen spindle
next gen
cursive summit
Need PC rn
Also who knows when those will come out
Not willing to wait 4 months or more
So, current gen it is
ashen spindle
get something lower and upgrade then
ashen spindle
idk depends on prices but would not go near halo products basically a quarter before next gen release
cursive summit
Seems like cheapest 3070 is 664€
What's the AMD equivalent for that card currently
6700XT?
ashen spindle
6750 I think
ashen spindle
watch HUB or similar and decide what games better fit what you will play
cursive summit
Fair enough, cheers
Ooh 6800 same price as 3070
I wonder if 6800 got obsoleted by 6750 or not
junior ore
whats HUB?
cursive summit
Hardware unboxed
junior ore
oh yeah
which versions of these specifically?
different manufacturers tweaked these.
junior ore
also no, a 6750 is not gonna be better than a 6800*
cursive summit
Well I recall at launch 3070 smacked up 6800 or something like that
junior ore
xt nitro+?
cursive summit
Interesting to see FineWine in action and AMD coming on top
junior ore
ah
cursive summit
Looks like a stock GPU
junior ore
you found one for 380 or such?
cursive summit
.. wat
junior ore
thats the retail price
cursive summit
?
ashen spindle
I buy 100 of them for 380
cursive summit
Since when
junior ore
no wait
ashen spindle
That not close to msrp
junior ore
i was looking at wrong "pulse"
cursive summit
6800 was like 580$ on launch
junior ore
i'm trying to find 6800 pulse >.>
cursive summit
Are you looking at like RX 580s
ashen spindle
You won’t find msrp for most AiB models on either side this generation
junior ore
fuckit close enough
no i was trying to find specifically the pulse
but the 6800 close enough, i don't think it'd be different from stock
cursive summit
Man I wish 6800 xt wasn't overpriced here
cursive summit
Such a sexy card for that performance
junior ore
how much for a 6800xt? performance isn't far from the 3090
cursive summit
6800xt doesn't even touch 3080 let alone 3090