🔌│tech

[pale sigil]

XD

[old marlin]

does it matter

when all your code is copilot anyways

[fair gull]

opensource ur hacks

[crimson wigeon]

Clearly I should just publish my little things and say look I'm an open source maintainer!!

Like those people who try to do pull request to the Linux kernel on GitHub

[pale sigil]

I have s few requests for better discord

But the nobs don't bother anymore

Literally fixing their shit for them and they won't accept me request

Same with a few others

[fair gull]

like my github

[ashen spindle]

https://gpuopen.com/fidelityfx-superresolution-2/ just go and improve this ez xD

source code for it is out now

[crimson wigeon]

ooh finally

something something lancszsoszs

[wheat plume]

Does Windows have a built in way to encrypt your drive?

Like File Vault on MacOS or encrypting it during a Linux install.

[toxic moth]

bitlocker

[wheat plume]

but that is Pro only

[old marlin]

almost as if having a separate pro version with pro features is a thing

[fair gull]

:9

[wheat plume]

o

[fair gull]

i dont use bitlocker not like i have anything to hide lol

[ashen spindle]

I rather just encrypt a usb drive or anything if I have important stuff, cba encrypting an entire drive and end up running into issues

[fair gull]

just put it into a bank vault

isnt that what those swiss banks are for

[cursive summit]

https://www.wepc.com/news/intel-arc-a380-benchmark-and-review-from-china/

League of Legends, PUBG, GTA 5, Tomb Raider, Forza Horizon 5, and Red Dead Redemption II

These Intels don't look very good

[fair gull]

whats the price tho

[ashen spindle]

the price is [redacted due to china only launch]

[cursive summit]

$153 per card apparently

Or 1,030¥

[fair gull]

the question is how that stacks up

[ashen spindle]

that would be 131 USD

not 153

[cursive summit]

That was taken from the article

Inflation hits fast

[fair gull]

all the 1650 cards i could find are 240 minimum

[ashen spindle]

no the article does not say 153usd?

[fair gull]

so price/performance seems to be rather good

[astral haven]

And the ark has 4 display puts and an encoder chip

And this isn't even gonna be the cheapest model

[ashen spindle]

ebay has 1650 options at 120-160

[astral haven]

Sure but retail ain't ebay

[ashen spindle]

sure but thats the only thing we can look at without knowing what the prices are over there for similar cards or how it would be priced here

I'm starting to suspect Arc is going to end like Cannon Lake

[cursive summit]

https://www.wepc.com/news/intel-finally-launches-an-arc-gpu-in-china/

[crimson wigeon]

Launched out of a cannon?

[cursive summit]

Hopefully an orbital one

Get these away from humanity as far as possible

[astral haven]

As I was saying yesterday in another server, this is really fantastic news

[fair gull]

nice repost

[cursive summit]

Of what

[fair gull]

this

wait is that another article

[cursive summit]

They are different articles?

[ashen spindle]

yeah the other one is an older article just saying it launched, after the first article showed benchmarks of a released product

[fair gull]

also why doesnt intel just buy matrox or smth

[astral haven]

Matroxes fastest GPU was nearly the slowest on the market back in 06

Their current GPUs are rebranded amd and Nvidia chips

[ashen spindle]

they dont make gpus really moreso framegrabbers or stuff to synch multiple monitors

[astral haven]

https://www.matrox.com/en/video/products/video-walls/d-series/d1480

[fair gull]

matrox did do gaming before 2000

[astral haven]

Buut
these are just rebranded quadros

[astral haven]

And they were not good

[fair gull]

and i heard their rebrands are better than the originals sometimes driver wise and longevity wise

[astral haven]

Intel had a GPU project in 2010 that was far beyond what matrox had

[ashen spindle]

sure if you can take a quadro and make it only do vido walls you can make sure the driver works just fine for that and nothing else

[fair gull]

pretty sure if ud give matrox some funding they can make smth good

[ashen spindle]

or you just take what intel already has and make that better?

[astral haven]

Yea Intel igpus are faster than anything matrox has made...

Intel hired a pile of engineers direct from Radeon and Nvidia and others

[fair gull]

ah see that i didnt know

i thought they threw their cpu monkeys on gpus

[astral haven]

Lol no

[ashen spindle]

no they bought AMDs gpu monkey and put him on top to make a new Vega

[astral haven]

Also Tony this is the bottom chip of intels new GPU series

This has the equivalent of 1024 cores, their top GPU is 4096 cores

[ashen spindle]

yup like their cpu naming there are A3x, A5x and A7x cards

[fair gull]

ah

i thought it was mid tier

[fair gull]

and in a few year a9x?

[astral haven]

Nop

Next year is b###

Then c###

[ashen spindle]

but yes that might start wiht a 9 at some point maybe

[fair gull]

i never understood the 3 5 7 thing anyway

[astral haven]

Bigger number better

[fair gull]

they should have stuck with 486 then

and 386

[astral haven]

Too many models for that

[fair gull]

just imagine buying an i486-11900K

[astral haven]

Except it would be an i208664-11900k

[frozen ingot]

need a turbo button on that thing otherwise your games run at twice the speed

[fair gull]

https://tenor.com/view/new-kids-junge-dancing-party-gif-16991952

all that turbo reminds me of

[halcyon moss]

did not expect that from Tony

[old marlin]

Why not

Was quite popular in Germany

[halcyon moss]

o. cause its dutch :p

[old marlin]

Ye ik

[fair gull]

i mean part of the success was the german dub

plus that they dubbed it

[halcyon moss]

it should also speak to the german audience.. ive actually seen loads of similarish haircuts when living in DE

[old marlin]

Lol

[misty saffron]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Xqb_xma3A-Y

and he uses hifiman sundara which could be driven by a calculator lol

[old marlin]

not legal in the EU btw

[cursive summit]

Sundara's impedance isn't that low you know

It can get use from a dac or an amp

[pale sigil]

Just get a

Imported

EU one is alright too

But also as said by Yama not legal

[misty saffron]

i’ve connected those exact headphones both to my ipods and iphone and they were perfectly fine

[old marlin]

Impedance does not directly relate to how easy it is to drive

From my experience he400is are quieter than hd6xxs

Even though their impedance is like almost a tenth lol

[wheat plume]

Wall mounted PC with external water reservoir

I like that

[pale sigil]

OMG

Why did no one tell me you can send messages to discord via vscode

[wheat plume]

???

[pale sigil]

hmmm

there is a plugin for it

[cursive summit]

Kindly, go eat a half chewed subway takeout out of your local dumpster

[wheat plume]

Subway

Oh yeah, the franchise owned by a confirmed pedo

[frozen ingot]

wasn't that just their marketing spokesperson

[wheat plume]

was it?

He still got a 10 million dollar salary at some point

[fair gull]

bruh

macos 13 dropping this year? fuck

another 10hrs of updating

[halcyon moss]

With a plugin you can send anything from everything

[empty wren]

Sounds worse than windows

[shadow minnow]

It doesn’t force you to update

[vagrant pagoda]

Just do it from emacs

[fair gull]

macos updates are worse than windows

[empty wren]

you can skip it with windows now

[fair gull]

i could do 4 or 5 windows version upgrades including download while my mac only does the update without the download beforehand

[empty wren]

yeah that is worse

[fair gull]

even better is xcode updates

[empty wren]

unusable computer cuz appple said so

[fair gull]

literally took 3 hrs once

[empty wren]

[fair gull]

oh u wanna dev today? no sir

[empty wren]

so what you are telling me is if someone wants a computer that does exactly the opposite of what it should get a mac

Nice

[crimson wigeon]

It just works

[empty wren]

[woven dagger]

any photoshop user here ?

i need a small help

[misty saffron]

depends

what do you want

[final flame]

whatcha need?

fr

[woven dagger]

i want to make background of image transparent

the thing is, on online sites, it is removing the text part

and i can't do it on my own since i don't have my pc rn

ik but no pc rn

[misty saffron]

send the image please

[woven dagger]

and i want the image right now

[misty saffron]

no point in describing it

[woven dagger]

here

i used this

it removed text part

i want text part of image too

it is difficult to correct on a mobile yk

from a thumb rather than a mouse pointer

tried all

[misty saffron]

what parts do you want removed

like, all of the other ones as well?

also ugly outline on letters i guess

[final flame]

o yea oops

[woven dagger]

@misty saffron @final flame both will do, thank you so much :)

appreciate the help !

[final flame]

it's annoying to remove the bg on stuff like this because of the jpg artifacts

[misty saffron]

wait that's the same one

PHOTOSHOOP

[final flame]

lol

[final flame]

color range removal?

[misty saffron]

yea

same thing as yours ig

[final flame]

yea that's what I did

[woven dagger]

almost same as glaxes

just bit cleaner

have a good day people :)

[wheat plume]

how TF do I stop Chrome from always opening this way???

it never reminders the window geometry .-.

[misty saffron]

1. install windows

[wheat plume]

Nah, the main Chrome browser remembers the geometry, but not my web apps

so idk wtf is going on

[woven dagger]

lmao

[wheat plume]

Chrome remembers it, but not the web apps

[fair gull]

id say these steps #🔌│tech message

[fair gull]

i assume webapps means not chrome itself but seperate programs

[wheat plume]

well, its sandboxed

vut still Chrome

[final flame]

like these I'd assume

[wheat plume]

yeah, I use ICE to make them

that the thing Chrome suggests in the URL bar when you go to a site like youtube or gmail or reddit

[final flame]

yea I think

[wheat plume]

mint have one???

does it only work on Mint?

[misty saffron]

oh no linux users have found each other

[final flame]

:)

it isn't what it looks like

[fair gull]

ill hide u can stay here

[wheat plume]

I already knew nico used Linux for a while now LOL

same here, longer probably

Thanks, ArcoLinux <3

hmm, cant sandbox them with Mint's app

oh wait, you can if you select a browser other than Firefox

yeh..xd

cause it has nerd fonts, so all the japanese cahracters and shit are displayed correctly

[misty saffron]

japanese = nerd

what anime does to a mf

[wheat plume]

LOL

fixed it

[fair gull]

manually adding the window size isnt what id call fixed

unless that dynamically updates

[wheat plume]

what dynamically updates?

[fair gull]

the last argument in that command

[wheat plume]

I set the window size to roughly what I use, then got the dimensions with xdotools

so I didnt guess the size

[fair gull]

thats

uh sure ya lets call it fixed

why not

[fair gull]

id personally not consider adding a fixed size param a fix for it not remembering windows size but you do you lana

[wheat plume]

in what way?

but.....it didnt save the position anyway

despite not having this flag enabled

Only the main browser window did but not youtube sandbox

wtf is this website?

https://milk.com/

lol

[fair gull]

http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/

[empty wren]

some German motherfucker

to be fair it loaded near instant

[fair gull]

This site doesn't care if you're on an iMac or a motherfucking Tamagotchi.

[empty wren]

df

[wheat plume]

the irony

[fair gull]

i cant even get my browser windows that small i think

[fair gull]

if youd have read the website youd know that point is sort of mute

[wheat plume]

ye xd

there are like 8 of these sites trying to fight eachother LOL

I can do this small

[cursive summit]

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/amd-ryzen-7000x3d-gaming-cpus-with-100mb-of-cache-in-mass-production-launching-this-year-rumor/

Oh

oh

Maybe 5800X3D isn't a great choice then

[fair gull]

i didnt even know theres a tab sidebar

[cursive summit]

https://gpuopen.com/fsr2-source-available/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fsr2

[fair gull]

oh so not native

ya no i just thought its a native feature

[wheat plume]

LOL WTF

[wheat plume]

TIL Razer have a robotic cafe in their HQ that makes drinks for you when you order it from a giant touchscreen

I love this guy trying to not sound like hes roasting the headphones, while totally roasting the headphones
https://youtu.be/ZYl8mU6HOLE?t=140

[old marlin]

They almost had giant rgb strips on their HQ as well

Ended up only being green due to covid apparently

[mild dome]

Gaming intensifies

[crimson wigeon]

Gamers rise up

[true quest]

ok but green

[mild dome]

💚

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/KRBD1Z1e8_E

he back xd

[pale sigil]

Never thought I'd see the day

[formal vortex]

They dropped a shit ton of FE cards in Germany today too

[ashen spindle]

well we're like a quarter away from next gen so it makes sense

[formal vortex]

i would consider a 3080 for 500 euros, but msrp for this is wayyy too high

[pale sigil]

3080 is the sweet spot

[formal vortex]

if amd comes out with the 7700 and its on par to old 6800xt/6900xt i will probably go for that

[pale sigil]

Honestly I kinda want an amd next gen it I can get at MSRP haha

Sick of Nvidia and Linux support

[ashen spindle]

they probably both release the 4090/7900 first so that one lower models might be a bit later

[formal vortex]

personally dont care if its nvidia or amd, i will buy the better product

[wheat plume]

my next GPU will be AMD

[pale sigil]

Well yes but it's rarely ever amd

Being the better overall product

[formal vortex]

and nvidias power targets are really off putting

[pale sigil]

Depending on your price range I guess

[formal vortex]

im buying a new monitor at the same time, so i will just need something i can use with the screen and that it runs well

[ashen spindle]

yup same, my 6800 struggles

[formal vortex]

do you have 4k?

[pale sigil]

Even better

[ashen spindle]

no but ultrawide

so almost 4k but not quite

[formal vortex]

prob going with 1440p but still not 100% decided

[pale sigil]

God tier monitor

Gimmi

[sudden glacier]

so that's where all the money goes

[pale sigil]

Gotta spend it as most of it just gets held in digital assets

Networth is different to cashworth

[wheat plume]

oo wait....Nautilus can write CDs natively??!!

oh wow!

[halcyon moss]

writing cds in 2022?

[empty wren]

Some cars still use cd players

And uh... I guess if you are music teacher yes

[halcyon moss]

but audio cds? most have supported mp3 on cds for ever

hm this might be a data disc

[halcyon moss]

anyway.. writing a cd in 2022?

[empty wren]

Maybe we should move to blurays

[halcyon moss]

we're using optical spinny disk in 2022?

[empty wren]

Nothing wrong with that

[halcyon moss]

my pc technically has a bleuray drive in it, but its not even hooked up

[empty wren]

[wheat plume]

LOL

[empty wren]

Anyways even if you wanna cringe at optical disk drives

They last very long

And unlike VHS they do not ff up the medium

[fair gull]

ikr... i personally prefer floppy disks

[halcyon moss]

heh.

im glad those are gone. shitty date loosing pieces of shit

[junior ore]

btw careful not to buy used GPUs, especially ones used in mining

[ashen spindle]

we had that discussion a couple days ago, gpus used for mining are not automatically in worse condition than using them for fortnite or others

[empty wren]

🤡

[fickle ore]

I will never buy an used mining gpu, VRAM is hammered at over 100 celsius, silicon temp degradation

Neither I will buy an used gaming gpu

[ashen spindle]

anyone who knows more than 5 videos worth of it wont run their mining gpus at max and for most cards thermal cycling is worse than constant high temperatures so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fickle ore]

Worse is not descriptive enough, is it by 5%? by 100%? Even then it doesn't matter, because it's a fact temperature degradation happens, and I wouldn't want such a card anyway. Pretty sure there are large differences in degradation depending on sizes/tech between fabs, which we can't know.

The less ppl buy used mining gpu's the more those ppl suffer :--)

Which means we can buy normal priced gpu's in the future for gaming

[empty wren]

What....

[ashen spindle]

find out what the memory chip you are looking at is rated at and you'll see how likely it is

[junior ore]

this, yes.

hardware degrades

[ashen spindle]

microns gddr6 is rated at I believe 125C when not a single gpu has a shutdown that high so it literally cant get that hot

[junior ore]

especially when used heavily.

[old marlin]

Biggest failure point besides fans for gpus is prob failing bgas

[fickle ore]

It's 100% a fact that gpu prices went to shit due to mining. Please don't try to argue that fact.

[junior ore]

and Mining is a lot more intensive than running fortnite, be real.

[ashen spindle]

so thermal cycling is still likely to be close if not worse

[old marlin]

Thermal cycles are SIGNIFICANTLY worse for bga than constant high temps

[ashen spindle]

^

[fickle ore]

We're talking VRAM silicon here from mining

[junior ore]

its actually combination that caused the GPU and chip shortage

[old marlin]

Yea same for those

Vram modules are bga

[empty wren]

Did not argue, but if you think a miner being unable to sell a GPU is gonna stop them from buying new ones I do not know what to say

[junior ore]

Crypto and scalpers, AND covid combined with a drought in... I believe it was either taiwan or south korea.

but mostly Cryptos and Scalpers

[fickle ore]

?! Current crypto prices and upped hardness is the reason they will buy less

[junior ore]

not being able to sell off the expensive hardware after not being able to use them is a hit in the pocket money, for most that didn't profit from the pyramid scheme.

and it's reached a point where it's easier and more profitable to directly trade the coins than to make new ones.

which is another factor in the crypto decline.

[ashen spindle]

yes and those are all fair points but just looking at lifetime of a product after buying it, a mining gpu is most likely just not worse than a used gaming gpu

[junior ore]

how so?

it's being ran constantly, daily.

[ashen spindle]

^

[fickle ore]

It's worse for other reasons, e.g higher total laps for fans, and more degraded VRAM silicon

gaming cards have more degraded gpu silicon

[ashen spindle]

yeah but on any decent gpu you can change the fan for 5 bucks

[junior ore]

aye, the life span of ANY component is a factor, including fans. but yeah I dind't think of thermal cycling.

but I would need to see statistics honestly.

[ashen spindle]

I rather take a dead fan over dead memory

[old marlin]

Silicon degradation is not a thing really

[fickle ore]

Just don't buy used gpu's in general, and support the initiative to screw miners financially; Do NOT buy their used crap.

[junior ore]

it's still not worth buying a used GPU anyways, mined or not.

you don't know what condition or previous issues it might have

[fickle ore]

This

[junior ore]

ESPECIALLY if it has corrupted firmware issues

ESPESCIALLY if is a Radeon VII

or if someone rigged the fan mount and faked the card

or did a custom job on it such as replacing thermal pads.

or had messed up when trying to switch from fan to water cooling, or anything really.

hell you might get a case of cockroaches.

[ashen spindle]

yes or you want something cheaper and are aware of how to handle things

[fickle ore]

Even bigger than all of that is the ethical side of not supporting miners in general, which helps climate :--)

[ashen spindle]

not like used market means you cant get a refund if its broken on arrival or wrongly advertised

[junior ore]

it's not a matter of being techie or havign tech knowsledge

it's literally gambling.

and not at a significant price reduction either

[fickle ore]

There have been talk about vendors of not refunding mined cards, not sure if they can see it somehow

[junior ore]

500 dollars for used instead of 600 new?

in most cases yes used market doesn't provide refunds or saftey net

just look at Newegg.

[ashen spindle]

yes sorry I forget US customers get shafted

in the EU thats not really an issue

[junior ore]

Newegg will flat out refuse services for buying third party/open box issues.

yeah

that too.

[ashen spindle]

so here that just doesnt apply

[junior ore]

we're bent so hard over the table here in the US

[ashen spindle]

and obviously not saying to go for used if its not actually cheaper.. I assumed that part to be obvious

[junior ore]

well see, people have been looking at prices of 1200-2000 for video cards for a couple years

so seeing one at actual market retail value, even if used, is mighty tempting for a lot.

and then you have a lot of people with buyers remorse, having bought cards at scalper prices and wanting to re-coup their loses to sell used cards as high as they can, the cheeky bastards.

[ashen spindle]

sure but thats simple maths and judgement what you want to pay for a potentially worse version, but I wouldnt call that a reason to not buy it flat out

if its not much cheaper and the alternative is [out of stock] it's a bit hard to say buy new

so from market view aside, from a technical side it's not as risky as it's often made out to be

[frozen ingot]

its all relative, for the right price it can def be worth it

[formal vortex]

yeah, like 30% of msrp, otherwise they can choke on their stuff

[fickle ore]

Ok, agree 😄

[formal vortex]

hardware unboxed made a gpu market update video 1-2 days ago

worth a watch

basically, stay away from all current gen unless its a really insane price decrease

[ashen spindle]

or if you need one cause current gpu dead

[frozen ingot]

there's not really a gpu famine any longer and prices/availability has improved considerably for the past couple months

[formal vortex]

then it makes more sense to shell out 50-100 euros and buy a placeholder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNocdWNHqkc

[ashen spindle]

literally the exact same before the 20 series launch, 10 series was on a high because nvidia made more short before EoL thgen crypto dropped and the launch was delayed so they sold more 10 seires stock

[fickle ore]

Tbh if my 1060 wiped out now I'd just afk without PC until 4xxxx or 7xxx launched

Fuk em

[formal vortex]

yeah, dont let them offload their bags to you

[ashen spindle]

yeah I'd rather not write my code on my phone though

so not always applicable to just dont have a pc for long

[fickle ore]

But that's on your workplace donating u a free PC

from their warez

[formal vortex]

also you can easily get a placeholder gpu, even for that some miner shit suffices

[ashen spindle]

god no, I dont want to vomit when I have to run my VR tools on 15fps

[formal vortex]

https://i.imgur.com/v18xhfP.jpg

[cursive summit]

https://news.sky.com/story/amazons-alexa-will-soon-be-able-to-read-you-stories-in-a-loved-ones-voice-even-if-theyre-dead-12638752

When tech goes wrong

[junior ore]

this is not an equiv comparison with current gen and the tail end of 20 series : there wasn't such a shortage for ANY video cards.

not just nvidia specifically.

[ashen spindle]

yes I said "before the 20 series launch" not the entire lifetime of pascal

equally to back then, we now have retailers stuck on certain cards because the bought them expecting to sell more at certain prices and are now having stock they dont move bc people are waiting

[frozen ingot]

man why are all these tech giants so creepy everytime they try to level with the consoomer peasants they market to

[junior ore]

because they can freely gaslight us or treat us like babies and we still throw money at them with no consequences to their words/actions.

They have a shiny thing we want, and within the USA, they can treat us like dog shit legally and we aren't allowed to complain because "muh free market, buy somewhere else" as if it was possible.

[astral haven]

Because the stuff that just works is boring

And it's really hard to make something that is positively exciting

Alot of the low hanging fruit with AI is going to be hyper creepy

Retargeting is very very easy

[pale sigil]

https://www.pcgamer.com/au/bungie-slaps-youtube-takedown-impersonator-with-dollar76m-lawsuit/

KARMA BITCH

Tech related because dmca and youtube abuse

fite me Quin

[ashen spindle]

dont even disagree

[reef patrol]

[fair gull]

how is that tech related?

[pale sigil]

this

[fair gull]

i dont understand

can u write that in german pls

[reef patrol]

Nein

[thick elk]

Considering the impact of the whole ordeal, I do think a large amount of damages is definitely warranted, within the US legal system.

[empty wren]

https://youtu.be/bPxlbfAeEq0

Bruh

[true quest]

interesting choice of music

[empty wren]

Yeah they do always

And literally just got the v3

Oh well they do have an upgrade kit

And a new size

Being the leftmost small one

[halcyon moss]

@pale sigil first game was space marine

[fair gull]

imagine they used this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WPCLda_erI

i feel like every early yt tutorial used that

[pale sigil]

feels pretty dope doesn't it

this wound keeps getting bigger

[halcyon moss]

Next I'll try ftl

[astral haven]

I ordered mine laaaaayt

[wheat plume]

I ordered mine later.....

ive got 83 days of orders left ;-;

[astral haven]

I plan to be quicker on the draw for the deckard

[cursive summit]

From what I heard

Index was the prototype

Deckard is the real deal

How are they planning for the Deckard to house an x86 system that is capable of running games at respectable VR framerates though and price it well is hard to imagine

If the Deckard doesn't cost like 2000$ I'll be surprised

[true quest]

it's valve, they're going to undercut themselves

[wheat plume]

I doubt the Index was sold at a lose?

[pale sigil]

loss

[cursive summit]

Yeah it was

[pale sigil]

idk how

its overpriced af

[cursive summit]

Although they defo sold it at much less of a loss than Oculus

[astral haven]

That's not correct

[cursive summit]

That is correct

[astral haven]

Vader was the prototype

[cursive summit]

Tf is vader

[pale sigil]

also they dont sell at a loss

[astral haven]

Index 2 is going to happen

That is not deckard

[true quest]

this index feels solid for a prototype

[astral haven]

Nah

[cursive summit]

I hadn't heard of 2 Valve VR projects

[pale sigil]

nah its not even that good

[astral haven]

Not what vexx means

[pale sigil]

the hand shit is good though

but the headset itself is overhyped af

[ashen spindle]

index is not amazing because half of what Vader had they couldnt do for the index

[astral haven]

Vader was the pre 2012 valve vr headset
Before abrash got everyone fired

[cursive summit]

Although now I might be misremembering but I'm rather sure Index 2 is Deckard

[astral haven]

No

[cursive summit]

Iirc around about 2016 Valve's engineers said themselves Index was a prototype

[pale sigil]

haha index 2 wont be deckard

[astral haven]

Deckard is a deck with vr stuff attached

[pale sigil]

makes no sense

no they probably said its a start

[true quest]

whatever they are, i'm buying them all

[pale sigil]

or some marketing bs

[cursive summit]

Well supposedly we'll hear news next month on at least one project

[true quest]

steam deck stand

[pale sigil]

Just like they said with the deck, its a stepping stone or some shit

[astral haven]

They never mentioned the index until couple months before release
But loooooong before that they talked about how the vive was a prototype for the index

[pale sigil]

to greater products

same with the index....

they even said the deck is a great something to use in vr

[cursive summit]

Yeah that is true, they developed a crap ton of stuff for the Vive

[astral haven]

All we knew about the index pre announcement was known as the headset for knuckles

[pale sigil]

didn't htc make the vive

[cursive summit]

Yep

[astral haven]

Including the vive
HP was just manufacturing

[pale sigil]

valve made the tracking

[cursive summit]

Valve loves it though

[astral haven]

No

It was designed by valve

[pale sigil]

Well, honestly, ive found every valce vr headset underwhelming and overpriced.

how do people use them controllers btw

awful

[astral haven]

Did you try an index in 2018?

[pale sigil]

Ye

[astral haven]

Index controllers?

[pale sigil]

Both

Index and wands

[astral haven]

I haven't ever heard about someone having trouble with the knuckles before???

[pale sigil]

i just dont like em

[astral haven]

Besides the fingers being in the wrong place because they are

[astral haven]

What games did you play with them?

[pale sigil]

that demo, the one valve made and some other random shite, i didn't have long to try it.

Was at UNI lab

[astral haven]

It takes about 10 minutes for the controllers to self calibrate

[pale sigil]

Its more i just dont like how they feel

and the weight

[astral haven]

Uh

[pale sigil]

i mean

tbf

million times better than the wand

im hating on the knuckles a bit to much

[astral haven]

Yea what would you improve about them?

How would you make them fit better?

I really don't see how it can be improved besides the weight

Buuut
Heavy has advantages

[pale sigil]

Ye but come on the wands at least were way to heavy

[astral haven]

Eh

[pale sigil]

broke it for me

really did

i loved the Oculus Controllers

[astral haven]

Have you tried beat saber

[pale sigil]

We can prob agree that anything is better than WMR controllers

lol

which i also owned for a week

[pale sigil]

on the wands?

[astral haven]

The virtualboy and original controller which came with the quest were worse

[astral haven]

Ye

Tbh the controller design fit depends on the game

[pale sigil]

I dont think so, it was ages ago i tried the wands

So i doubt it

Ye no i didn't, id remember

[astral haven]

The wands are really intuitive for beat saber

[pale sigil]

I remember thinking the wands were good for swords

[astral haven]

Yeeeep

[pale sigil]

just get me gloves

thanks

[ashen spindle]

intuitive? maybe but compared to oculus the wands suck for beat saber lol

[astral haven]

Force feedback is required imo
Vr without feedback is useless

[pale sigil]

aye

finger tracking in the oculus is pretty cool but just that

[astral haven]

I don't want to have to set up ultrasonic beam cannons for feedback

[pale sigil]

so much effort

but progres is progress

[ashen spindle]

also I hope you werent comparing it to meta prices when saying they are overpriced lol

[astral haven]

Squeeze too hard and you've got whatever hydraulic goop they use all over your room

[astral haven]

Yea
The quest 2 is a $700 headset with 400 of ad subsidies

The deckard runs alyx

[pale sigil]

i honestly dont care

Until something groundbreaking comes out

Why spend a crap ton when you can just buy an oculus which sure atm no ads but can be in the future.

[astral haven]

If you haven't played hla with index controllers you haven't used current gen VR yet

[pale sigil]

Ye but

I dont wanna spend 1000+ for the sake of some games feeling cool

[ashen spindle]

because oculus image quality is kinda poo

[true quest]

excuse you it's 1000 for several games

[astral haven]

It's not

[true quest]

it is

[pale sigil]

Im more than happy to spend money on VR, just not for an Index which brings me nothing useful vs other headsets

Other than gimmicks

[astral haven]

The only game that is fully utilizing modern vr is alyx

As of June 2022

[pale sigil]

I have hope for the future though

[true quest]

because exclusives aren't a thing

[pale sigil]

Whicb btw

is moronic too

Why seperate such a small market?

or well

back then was small

[astral haven]

The index has the fastest screen
(.01ms persistence) highest precision, and best integrated audio
But also you can get a pimax and index controllers

[pale sigil]

Pimax was one thing

Thats another point tbf

[astral haven]

Wat

Pimax has like 12 headsets

[pale sigil]

FOV is what kills VR for me so im excited for more FOV or better lenses

[astral haven]

From index pricing up to double

[pale sigil]

FOV and Refresh rates are my biggest appeal atm

[astral haven]

You probably didn't set your index right

[pale sigil]

Ah the classic its your fault

[astral haven]

From default to properly set you can increase your fov from 70 degrees to about 100

[true quest]

never fails

[pale sigil]

[astral haven]

Yea except the index has a fob knob that you probably didn't use if you are complaining...

[ashen spindle]

well you did kinda say you care about X after saying you didnt like the product that has X

[true quest]

a product is not one fits all

no matter how much you adjust, there will always be outliers

[astral haven]

Sure
But that's why those adjustments exist

[true quest]

it's as if you didn't read at all

[pale sigil]

goggle effect exists

no matter the headset

[astral haven]

That's actually not true
The military sim headsets are full human vision fov often

[pale sigil]

Im on about consumer

like index/oculus

Pimax idk as i haven't used it

seen it multiple times mocking me to try it

[astral haven]

🤷‍♀️ you will never get full fov on consumer

[true quest]

i don't see the military letting us borrow their headsets for cutting cube game

[pale sigil]

pimax does a great job afaik

not perfect

ofc

but i have no experience with pimax

[astral haven]

Pimax measures their fov very differently

[pale sigil]

Hoping to give it a go in a few weeks

My friends flatmate has pimax 8k plus i think or 5k super

[astral haven]

They do have slightly higher fovs at the top, but at the same price as the index, the index has similar fov, and much better compatibility with glasses without switching headset

[pale sigil]

With knuckles

[astral haven]

Also
Valve is far enough along in production of the deckard to announce it within a month if they want (tho they probably will wait to build up stock)

And while we don't even know who is making the optics, we can guess they are gonna be better than index

[ashen spindle]

Yeah with psvr2 already talking about it, it would be really weird if valve would go with worse tech

[astral haven]

Yup

And considering it's gonna be $1600 approximately, we really hope that it has either glass or pancake optics

Or both

[true quest]

https://www.ladbible.com/news/seven-planets-aligning-for-first-time-in-18-years-visible-in-uk-20220623

all y'all uk mf better be up

[vagrant pagoda]

The US military uses holo lense

It isn't anything special

[astral haven]

no

the army uses hololens

[vagrant pagoda]

There are some limited test programs for vr training, and they all use vive's for the most part

[astral haven]

the airforce uses mostly custom systems from dassault and ratheon

[vagrant pagoda]

The air forces vr flight sim is vive pros

[astral haven]

im not talking the stuff they bring to trade shows to show off the tech

im talking the actual stuff in use

[vagrant pagoda]

You mean the AR helmets?

Those have been around for a while

They don't do vr

[astral haven]

no

im talking about the ceiling mounted vr systems

[vagrant pagoda]

Source?

[astral haven]

https://vrgineers.com/
this is one of the head mounted systems

the ceiling mounted systems are alot less publicized and older but they are in use

[vagrant pagoda]

You can buy those though

[astral haven]

no

you can rent them

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.xtal.pro/product/xtal-3-vr

That says buy

[astral haven]

yea

"buy"
like the pimax

[vagrant pagoda]

I have my pimax

Lol

Software isn't great

But it shipped fine

[astral haven]

wait not pimax

the old varjo

[vagrant pagoda]

There are reviews of then

[astral haven]

yes

[vagrant pagoda]

So I don't see how it's renting

When they ship it to tou

[astral haven]

from businesses who rent them

[vagrant pagoda]

After you pay for it

No

There are racing and flight sim guys reviewing them

[astral haven]

thats the aero

pre aero

the 6k+ ones

[vagrant pagoda]

No

The xtal 8k

[astral haven]

hmm

[vagrant pagoda]

Just saying the military has no current in house vr projects other than the holo lense. It's all commerical units, being pitched to them.

And the holo lense barely counts

As the haven't demoed the supposed vr mode/shield

If it will ever exist

[astral haven]

https://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2018-06-22#:~:text=Enhanced 360-degree Awareness with Virtual Windows

the references to the stuff are very sparse

because guess what its darpa funded so its classified 😱

[vagrant pagoda]

That's AR

[astral haven]

read it again

360 degree awareness

thats not physically possible, it has to be done digitally

[vagrant pagoda]

You know what AR is?

It's at the goggles are transparent

[astral haven]

yes

[vagrant pagoda]

You can still see the inside of the vehicle.

That's AR

[astral haven]

yes
but with this system you can see through the vehicle

[vagrant pagoda]

They are AR googles

That's AR

Aircraft and helicopters have had AR for while

[astral haven]

im aware

do you know what 360 means?

[vagrant pagoda]

That doesn't make it VR lol

[astral haven]

do you know what 360 means?

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes it means nothing for VR vs AR

[astral haven]

so no you dont know what 360 means

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol

How dose it change the googles

[astral haven]

so if you draw a circle around the vehicle, the operator must be able to look at every point on the circle without seeing vehicle

[vagrant pagoda]

You can literally see the goggles in the picture

It's overlays the outside on top of the inside of the vehicle, but still shows parts of the interior

Makes it vr

[astral haven]

said it yourself

[vagrant pagoda]

I guess they just make up shit

Lol

Just like you

They are transparent goggle so it's ar

Lol

[astral haven]

thats not how that works

if you define ar as requiring transparent, the varjo xr3 (current best ar platform) isnt ar

[vagrant pagoda]

No all ar goggles are transparent

[astral haven]

this is not transparent physically

it is """transparent""" digitally

[vagrant pagoda]

I know what it is

I just said that not all ar goggles transparent

[vagrant pagoda]

But the describe the system as still showing the interior of the vehicle

[astral haven]

you missed a t then

[vagrant pagoda]

And overlaying the exterior view on rhat

Which is ar

AR helps remove most of the motion sickness issues

Which is why they use it

[astral haven]

so just because i can see the inside of my headset its ar now

nice

[vagrant pagoda]

Also let's you see your hands and feet on the actual controls

[astral haven]

i can see my hands and feet on my controls on my vr headset lmao

[vagrant pagoda]

There is no overlay

You see one or the other

You can't see your physical hands and feet

[astral haven]

yes i can

[vagrant pagoda]

Then that's ar

If you can see your actual hands

Not a avatar that is tracked to them

[astral haven]

you are actually incorrect

[vagrant pagoda]

What headset do you have that you can see your hands?

[astral haven]

index

[vagrant pagoda]

Using the cameras?

[astral haven]

and out of the corner of my eyes if i have my hands down low

[vagrant pagoda]

That literally the AR mode

Vive has it too

[astral haven]

yes?

[vagrant pagoda]

That's AR lol

[astral haven]

then what is vr

[vagrant pagoda]

Vr is when the camera is off

A headset can do both

[astral haven]

yes

[vagrant pagoda]

Like I said the army holo lense can do vr with a shield to block out the though vision

It can do both

But they haven't even shown that mode

[astral haven]

so if the headset takes in video from an external computer that is digitally recreating something that isnt visible to the user thats vr

[vagrant pagoda]

If it's all digital yes

[astral haven]

define all digital 🤷

[vagrant pagoda]

AR uses composited images of VR and real world

[astral haven]

thats incorrect

thats called mixed reality or xr

real world is ar
digital is vr

[vagrant pagoda]

No mixed reality is a subset of ar

[astral haven]

other way around

[vagrant pagoda]

It's ar were you interact with the digital elements directly

[astral haven]

ar is a limited subset of mixed reality

[vagrant pagoda]

AR is only interaction with real elementts

[astral haven]

yes

its a mixed reality system where you take information and add that to what the eye would normally see

if you and the headset are inside of a featureless black box, and you are able to see something that isnt in the black box that is mixed reality

if you are able to see the black box optically but also have more information like distance or temperature or whatever thats AR

if you can see the black box digitally but also have more information like distance or temperature or whatever thats ar

it is vr when you are seeing a place that isnt the black box

just because you can see the black box out of the corner of your eye does not mean it isnt vr

in fact even if most of your vision is black box, its still vr (just really atrocious vr)

with the darpa "VR" system
you are able to see a location that you are unable to see with the headset off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wd7ZhGSkRo
if you consider this an ar headset ok you can consider the darpa system an ar system
but that is incorrect

[olive karma]

Can anybody tell me how to remove a switch? I got a problem with a switch on my num pad.

[cursive summit]

Take the orange plastic double sided dentist looking contraption on the big side, should be in your box

And use that to pull out the switch

[olive karma]

Orange? I can't find anything like that

[cursive summit]

Mine was orange

Anyways there will be this plastic thing with two prongs on both sides

One prong is larger than the other

[olive karma]

Just this one

[cursive summit]

Uh

They must have revamped it since Wooting 1

But yeah that looks like the thing

Use that to pull out the switch

Iirc it goes from up to down

[olive karma]

But they are a bit wider that the switch itself

Not the cap, the switch itself;p

[cursive summit]

That's the only one in the box?

That's the one I got

[olive karma]

Aaah, cool. Thx

[cursive summit]

So it worked out?

[olive karma]

There was a one with two metal bows... First I got to manage a meeting. ;P

[cursive summit]

So they now make them separately?

Idk how I feel about that, I really liked the tool being in a single utencil for caps and switches

[olive karma]

Gooot it

[reef patrol]

The Lekker switches are a lot harder to grab. So you kind of have to get a proper switch puller - which isn't included, only a keycap puller.

They did some prototypes a while back I believe. You basically want something like this.

[olive karma]

The lower one to take the edge worked. Gotta give you feedback after my meeting. ;)

[frozen ingot]

yall didn't get a switch pulling tool with your wooting kbs?

jk me neither

[cursive summit]

pretty sure all Wooting 1 and 2s got the orange plasticky contraption

[reef patrol]

Yeah the orange double ended one was Flaretech era.

[cursive summit]

I guess HE models are a bit different in that regard

"Flaretech era"

Bish don't call this keeb old

It works perfectly well and is pretty young

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/what-star-trek-kirk-spock-gif-11808580

[cursive summit]

Your demeanor towards flaretech era sounds like it's ancient or something

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/gently-brushing-lost-treasures-of-egypt-archaeological-excavation-ancient-egypt-archeologist-gif-18643535

[olive karma]

Got the 2HE. Well, switch is switched but the reaction is not given. I guess it is broken.

[cursive summit]

Well shit, now you better go to #archived_helpdesk_for_keyboards and ask there

[reef patrol]

Hop on over to #archived_helpdesk_for_keyboards if you have a key that's not working right out of the gate. I think this could be a firmware issue? You're not the first one to have this 🙂

[olive karma]

Thx mate

[frozen ingot]

I tried lifting a switch from my board gave up rather quickly with the tool I had atm

they're pretty darn planted into the casing

[cursive summit]

Some would say

Customerproof

A really good tactic nowadays

[frozen ingot]

hot-swappable....with an actual blowtorch

[cursive summit]

Everyone deserves a good blow at times

[old marlin]

that is the flaretech puller

not even wooting specific

[old marlin]

huh, didn't know they make some that aren't IC pullers

with IC pullers you often run into the problem that the prongs are too long

[cursive summit]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/23/tech/spacex-dish-fcc-spectrum-scn/index.html

[pale sigil]

@shadow minnow man I just realised the iPad air screen is shit

[cursive summit]

Just realized apple is shit

[shadow minnow]

It’s not shit just not as good

[cursive summit]

Defending apple, as always

[shadow minnow]

Objectively false, some products may be some aren’t

[cursive summit]

Not the products, even though they also may be shit

The company

[shadow minnow]

I guess company mostly is, but that can be said about many other companies as well

[cursive summit]

Fair

PHONE

FAIRPHONE

Can't say that one's bad

[fair gull]

it is

[shadow minnow]

Freedom phone is the best obviously

[cursive summit]

Oh god

Not that one

[shadow minnow]

[pale sigil]

@shadow minnow actually rather disappointing to see it's not retna at least

[shadow minnow]

It is retina

Or well not entirely sure but it seems similar to m2 MacBook display

Which tbf I wish had mini led but well that would be expensive

[pale sigil]

I don't understand why they are treating an iPad air like budget

Also it says ips

[shadow minnow]

Retina doesn’t stand for mini led it’s a marketing word apple uses, it’s still called “Liquid Retina”

[pale sigil]

Oh

I'm wrong

You're right my bad

[shadow minnow]

I mean, sure, wish it had mini led, but the price of mini led, would probably make it 100£ more expensive

[shadow minnow]

Especially the display controller is expensive

[pale sigil]

Now the other question is I was going to pick 256gb which is only £30 less than getting a 128gb iPad pro

Lol

[shadow minnow]

Yeah I don’t really get that

[pale sigil]

Apple and their storage prices have always been bad

[shadow minnow]

Also new m2 air and m1 pro 14” don’t have much of a difference with same memory and storage

And well I hate it

Because I want the nice blue m2

But mini led

Is just too good

[pale sigil]

I'd wait for an m2 iPad but it doubt that'll be a thing

For ages

[shadow minnow]

Also mini led is so bright

I don’t get Linus talking about OLED pushing out mini led

[wheat plume]

You can't do much on an ipad to make use of the power of the m2 anyway right?

[shadow minnow]

When mini led has no burn in and so much more brightness

[shadow minnow]

Eh you kinda can

[wheat plume]

Hmm

[pale sigil]

It's getting there tbh

That's the main thing

[shadow minnow]

Lumafusion I think

[pale sigil]

The potential is huge

And it's slowing getting there

Especially with ipad os 16

[wheat plume]

Wtf is stage manager?

[pale sigil]

Becoming more and more like a desktop

Basically desktop

[shadow minnow]

Now I can finally copy my dog

[pale sigil]

Lana

[shadow minnow]

Except I don’t have a dog

Oh well

[wheat plume]

Yo?

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume

[shadow minnow]

But no Java mc 😦

[wheat plume]

Hmm

[pale sigil]

Ngl it feels pointless getting a none m1 iPad

[shadow minnow]

Tbf cross platform servers are possible

[shadow minnow]

Well for people who don’t need that much power

[pale sigil]

The iPad pro doesn't seem to make much sense

The 11" one

Wtf is true depth

[shadow minnow]

Kinda like LiDar but front facing

It’s more accurate at very low distances but I guess has smaller range

Used for faceid but can also scan with it

It’s like 0.5 or 2mm, forgot now, accurate from like 10-20cm

Yeah 0.5mm

Can get very accurate shape of face

LiDar used to have a more accurate mode too but for some reason most apps stopped supporting it

I wonder how good is the epic games thing gonna be at scanning

But I learned of it too late so didn’t get into beta 😦

[wheat plume]

I JUST WANT TO MAKE A FUCKING TIMER

[shadow minnow]

[wheat plume]

why is there a sign in option????

[crimson wigeon]

Probably to sync across all your devices

[reef patrol]

YOUR FILES ARE RIGHT WHERE YOU LEFT THEM...

[crimson wigeon]

Gee thanks

[wheat plume]

but they are!

[crimson wigeon]

(Oh no! It's nuking the dual boot setup!!!!)

[wheat plume]

Microsoft: adds a sign in option to the Clock app
Also Microsoft: Removes sign in option on the Media Player

interesting choices \

[old marlin]

Can you maybe sync alarm etc with your phone or other devices?

[wheat plume]

not sure

Maybe with the Your Phone app

I uninstall that shit though and use KDE connect instead

[misty saffron]

good

[pale sigil]

Pisses me off his messy documents is in windows

Especially with games but that's usually down to the game devs

[fair gull]

im unsure what the point of that statement is tbh. the login in WMP was for store fronts to get digital content

evidentally they wanna move away from it since groove has replaced it in 10

and clock app is for todo list syncing and shit between pcs and accounts

[wheat plume]

Groove is gone in the new versions of 11

Its "Media Player" now

this is the Media player I was referring to

[fair gull]

ah

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-radeon-7000-rdna3-will-have-increased-power-consumption

Wow

groundbreaking

https://mixed-news.com/en/openai-ai-builds-diamond-pickaxe-in-minecraft-why-it-matters/

[shadow minnow]

Lol can’t compare to baritone

[halcyon moss]

dont you already have an ipad pro?

[halcyon moss]

that message scared the shit outta me. like WHAT DID YOU DO TO MY FS?

[pale sigil]

First gen

But it was a hand down from my friend, before I was using an iPad 5 which I sold ages ago

I most want the new ipad for iPadOS 16

And battery

And bezel

And in general I hate hiding an iPad 12.9"

[halcyon moss]

from when is the first ipad pro?

[pale sigil]

2015

Still runs great!

Just... Want battery iPad os 16

[halcyon moss]

oh really? thats decently old actually.

[pale sigil]

Aye and it still runs pretty well

That's why I love iPads

[halcyon moss]

but no new ios anymore?

[pale sigil]

If it wasn't for size, battery and iPad os 16 I would keep it

[halcyon moss]

ipados whatever

[pale sigil]

It gets ios

Still gets updates

But mine is jailbroken so I keep it at older ver

[shadow minnow]

Imagine not getting 6 years of software updates