🔌│tech

[astral haven]

Actually painful to wear

[final flame]

a cheap pair of koss will easily beat most gaming headsets

in comfort and sound

[astral haven]

Not in terms of low end lmao

A cheap set of iems will slaughter gaming headsets for half the price and include a mic

But

Once you hit $70? The headsets can be good

Obv if you go wireless you lose alot of sound quality

But that's just eh

Battery vs quality

Yea and the new models are even better

[final flame]

senns drop exclusive headsets are pretty good a bit on the dark side of sound but still good

the 38x and 37x

they have a Amazon shop but they are a bit more expensive

[ashen spindle]

dark side of sound will never not make me think of an audio mafia making deals

[final flame]

lol

[astral haven]

And vs 10 years ago headphones have dropped in price for the same quality by nearly 10x

[final flame]

I meant more as dark in the sound signature

[astral haven]

Nothing Sennheiser is dark lmao

[final flame]

the 38x and 37x are considered slightly dark, the 600 series is considered warm

[ashen spindle]

I have a pair of Sennheiser's but can't tell you if I agree or not since I have no clue how it should sound

[final flame]

mid centered headphones is what Sennheiser specializes in

natural sound

[astral haven]

🤷 relative to the freq response of human ears, sennies are recessed low natural mid and the highs depend on the model

Just because you prefer there to be less low does not mean that on the absolute scale they have more

Sure if you compare to something like the koss bassless headphones they are very very boosted in the bass
But we are humans not frequency response analysis machines

Then that depends on the headphones 🤷

All that all Sennheiser models have is low lows and mid mids
And the highs depend on the model and vary greatly

[final flame]

the human ear is vastly different from person to person, everything is subjective, I'm going off of what the graphs say

[astral haven]

600 series is known as classical monsters with poor low end

[final flame]

no? they're good at everything you toss at them they don't just sound good with classical

[astral haven]

Wut

Ok

[final flame]

classical has low end too

every genre of music I've tossed at my 6xx from piano solos to goreshit sounds good

[astral haven]

Well that is the subjective part obviously
But in terms of actual frequency response, they are generally about even with human ear response except at the low end

[final flame]

ofc it excells at certain things but that mid centered tuning is what's good about them

[astral haven]

Yep I loved my sennies until I tried the mh755s
And realized wow there is info here that the sennies just don't produce

After that I started trying to find good audio stuffs and went down the iem rabbit hole

The problem is that sennheisers are allergic to sibilance , and do some questionable tuning at the high end to fix it on their cheaper headsets

[final flame]

yea sure but that goes with most brands, take moondrop for example the ssr for example before the chu came out

[astral haven]

Yep

[final flame]

I want to get into a more fun signature just don't really have the money rn, considered the philipone just don't have the money rn

also been wanting to get a used lcd 2

[astral haven]

But their headsets only really get accolades knowing the time they released or the price they released at or the build quality
It ain't just sound

Done get me wrong
I love my 560s, 6xx, and pc360
But I know it's not the best

And that it's pretty weak at low end

So spensiv

Imo get different cans for different needs, there's no perfect headphones

Tho me irl= get everything wireless for dat ergonomic freedom

[old marlin]

overall I absolutely prefer my E-MU teaks

granted I have been listening to a ton of hiphop the past year or so

the HD6XX just feel lackluster with bass-heavier music

nice

well I still EQ them, stock they sound a bit overwhelming

[final flame]

I have a eq for my 6xx which boosts the treble a bit and subbass

[astral haven]

If you like the sound, don't eq it?

Aight

[final flame]

I want to get more into the speakergame, since you tend to get more impactful sound

my current speakers are ok, edifier e25s but they're on the small side

[astral haven]

I like sound too loud for speakers in my home

[final flame]

only issue is speakers are far more expensive

[astral haven]

And leak sound alooooooot more than headphones lol

[final flame]

yeah not too sure I want to have my neighbors hearing Japanese music at random times in the day

[astral haven]

Disagree

There are very solid products that aren't expensive

[final flame]

diy is good in the low end

if you have time to do it that is

[cursive summit]

Just a casual reminder that KSC75 is end game to some die hard audiophiles and it's priced at like 20$

Value that you cannot beat even if you tried

[astral haven]

Ksc75s are not very good

There are far better items nowdays

[cursive summit]

Speaking from experience?

[astral haven]

The mh755 are $8 and are definetly far better

Yep

I have my ksc75s around here somewhere

They are alright but they just do a terrible job at most music

And the new moondrop chu are very good all-rounders for $20 too

Lel

[final flame]

then again you kind of need to be able to hear when on a bike for safety

that's why bone induction became popular

[astral haven]

Says you
I use iems no problem

[final flame]

also depends where you're biking

if it's a mountain trail no problem but in the city awareness is needed

[astral haven]

🤷 I'm good

[cursive summit]

I used to use wired headphones outside a lot

The cable would get fucky though

[astral haven]

My most expensive audio product so far is my tws buds lol

[cursive summit]

These boys were actually cool back then

[final flame]

put the cable along your back and use the cable divider against your neck

that's the best way to keep them out of the way and from getting messy

[cursive summit]

I'm planning to get the Sony Xperia 1 IV, and assuming I get the WH-1000XM4s as a gift, I am very much excited to compare my 100$ Melomanias to "industry leading" XM4s

[final flame]

the xm4 bass shelf

[astral haven]

Wh or wf?

[final flame]

wh so the headphones

wf is tw

[astral haven]

I'm aware

[cursive summit]

Kinda funny that my K702s are borderline my endgame

According to Crinnacle's chart these rank extremely highly to the point without spending a grand I doubt I'd be seeing much of an improvement getting anything else

[astral haven]

There's another xm4

Sony makes such an insane number of products that they do actually need that sort of code

Before the dash is category, after is specific product

There are alot of words but most of them are in use for meaning other things already :P

Because Samsung makes like 6 audio products

[cursive summit]

Dunno why usually the WH of Sony's gets a lot more interest than the WFs

[astral haven]

Sony makes hundreds upon hundreds

[final flame]

because bass shelf and hype

[cursive summit]

Samsung would be stupid not to make audio products since they bought out Harman and AKG

[astral haven]

And has been making them for 40? Years

They were

They make alot of professional gear

And their professional gear has the same basic naming structure

It's actually really nice to be able to search the name of the product and only find it

You can't pick all 3 between decodability, searchability, and descriptiveness

In absolute terms it doesn't

Besides
The model names are insanely short and easy to google

There's really no need to remember them unless you intend to actually recommend the stuff
If you are checking reviews it's painless and if you don't care then ignore it

[final flame]

here's a decent naming scheme
Brandname - product line - year

[astral haven]

Sony wh1000xm model 4

Year would make the product name 3 digits longer

[final flame]

the year can be cut to just last 2 digits

[astral haven]

Still 1 digit longer

And doesn't solve the large quantity of distinct products issue

That's exactly what they do...

Except with the number instead of roman numerals

[final flame]

add a x if you enter a new century

1000 is quite uneeded

[astral haven]

Sure that's fine
But marketers would instantly idsqualidy that from being in the name too

They want the product to sell even the next year

It's not like a car where they make changes every year

Like if you do what you say you have the Tesla problem where there is insanely low visibility on the actual features of the car from the model name and year alone

Call them "Sony xm4 earbuds" if you want

Because that's longer and has collisions with other product names

Not today, because Google knows that popular thing

It's either Google or bing

Or whatever china and Russia use

There are like 4 indexers in the world

[ashen spindle]

ddg is bing if you say you are using that

[astral haven]

You use one of them

[final flame]

Sony-Wh-20
easy

[astral haven]

I doubt you use the Russian or Chinese one so it's Google or bing

[astral haven]

What about the other 10 true wireless buds

https://betterweb.qwant.com/en/how-microsoft-tools-strengthen-qwant/

[final flame]

wh for headphones
wf for buds you said it yourself

[astral haven]

Ok so their 40 or so models of headphones

[final flame]

w is for wireless

[astral haven]

Sony makes too many products to just distinguish by year

They make alot of tws buds @final flame

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Headphones-Bluetooth-Technology-WFXB700/dp/B085VQFZ8Z
Now they often aren't good but there are alot of them

[final flame]

then add another letter it's not hard

still far easier than what exists now

[astral haven]

It's an article by the company about how they use Microsoft resources to search

Mhm yep definetly
Either way
Currently relevant product searches properly
Even if missing some currently relevant information

The point is that Sony has a 40 year catalog of products, and all of them can be uniquely identified by model number

Now should they maybe have a model name that is fewer phonymes? Maybe, but they don't and it is intentional

[crimson wigeon]

everything sucks

Some things just suck less

[astral haven]

Like it's not a problem if they use bing as long as they block sending user data and uniquify each search, but the point is in 30 years you will be able to find the product if any info about it still exists by typing a simple number from the bottom that is far shorter than most other comapnies' numbers

[final flame]

thats the main downflaw with newpipe

you don't have anything linked

I liked Vanced when that was still being updated

[astral haven]

Can still use vanced

Vanced isn't slow
It's not private but it isn't slow

[final flame]

ik I still use it, it's just when YouTube decides to crack down on it it's gone forever

[final flame]

could always make a new email and use it dedicated for vanced

[astral haven]

Meh
Google is just gonna ad ads back in

They won't ban people for using it (probably)

[final flame]

probably as in they could if they wanted to but maybe not

[astral haven]

They made custom encoder hardware

[final flame]

embedded ads 🤮

[astral haven]

It's not hard just spend a billion dollars on encoder rnd /s

[astral haven]

Yep
Sponsorskip and dislike counter are still working

[ashen spindle]

oh nice its science, I thought I just found the only slow people lmao

its not hard

[astral haven]

It takes about a week to get used to it and then it's just better

The problem is that conveying information fast is hard, if you arent trying to follow along while doing something there's no point to follow in realtime

Ok so imagine you want to know what someone thinks but only need to know the information

[ashen spindle]

im interrested enough to spend 10 minutes to get the info, not enough to spend 20 minutes on it

[astral haven]

And they are saying the information via speech
No matter how fast of a speaker they are, I am faster at processing the input

Humans are designed to input alot of information
And really not designed to output much info

[shadow minnow]

Ngl I never do anything without either youtube or music in background

[astral haven]

Watching at 1x is reserved for when I am following along with someone does a task
If I am just absorbing info, I do it as fast as I can process

[shadow minnow]

Ngl I usually use YouTube videos just for background noise so don’t speed them up

[ashen spindle]

well I dont speed up a music video to 2x

[astral haven]

Yup

[final flame]

Nightcore enjoyers

[astral haven]

Yuuup

[ashen spindle]

oh god those the worst

when you see 5 cuts in one sentence

[shadow minnow]

I used to watch to ton of hysterical videos mostly from medieval battles and such but ran out of them

[wheat plume]

Ok
.....

This is the most jank way to do that shortcut

[final flame]

because mac

normally you'd hit it with the pinky

but because Ctrl is not on the corner you have to hit it with the thumb

[astral haven]

if you are already rotating your hand that amount, rotate it a tiiiiiny bit the other direction
or heck, hit both keys with the same finger

[pale sigil]

https://twitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1533529060927852547

Ian (@ianzelbo)

I have just one wish for #WWDC22

Likes

1822

Twitter · Jun 5, 2022, 7:19 PM

this thread is amazing

[cursive summit]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/86601/amds-new-am5-platform-is-cheap-as-chips-next-gen-mobos-to-cost-less/index.html

Be warned it's an MLID leak

So the guy that spouts bullshit daily, and if it sticks it's to his credit, if it's false like most shit he says it gets deleted

I heard he's like a real hardware engineer or something that worked with TSMC, so he might have proper sources

But the guy is not veritable at all

[astral haven]

its pretty easy to assume that mlid is wrong

x670 is currently rumored to start at 200 where x570 was rumored to start at 150

b650 is not going to be cheap in the absolute sense either because ddr5 requires layers

[mild dome]

Might be the x670 chips are cheaper to try and help offset the cost of additional pcb layers

[astral haven]

the problem is there are 2 x670 chips

per board

and this has been confirmed with real boards that are almost retail ready

[mild dome]

The two chips make it cheaper then one monolithic chip

[astral haven]

not if each chip is the size of the old monolithic chip lmao

[mild dome]

Irc isnt each chip like a b650?

[astral haven]

remember also the x570 chip was repurposed semifunctional ryzen iodies

[mild dome]

They double the chip to essentially double io

[astral haven]

it is a b650 chip
but the b650 chips are more expensive than b550 because they arent promontory

no they dont

thats not how they are using them

[mild dome]

Gimme nore deets i hunger for knowledge

I thought logically they would split pcie between them to double up

[astral haven]

well how does it double?
ok so lets assume each one connects to the cpu individually
our io bandwidth doubles right?
well
apparently thats not what happens because the chips appear to be daisy chained

all they appear to be doing is running the high speed io on the first chip (nvme,sata)
and the low speed io on the second chip (usb, ethernet

now obviously that doesnt make sense, but amd says 24 user accessible lanes on the cpu and 28 physical lanes on the am5 chips

[mild dome]

I suppose it's daisy chained for cheaper cost? As having them in parallel would require yet more layers and traces?

Decided to try and find the sizes of the chips. Looks like the x570 is a lot larger then the x670 by eye.

[astral haven]

Sure but x570 was literally rejects of their am4 iodies...

All the chips with failed dram controllers for example

And b550 was promontory so it was waaay cheaper

And x670 is on n6 instead of n12

And packaging isn't free

Anyways it doesn't really matter I'm just salty because of the lack of pcie lanew

Is it too much to ask for for an x16 3.0 3rd slot?

That's the same bandwidth as 5.0x4 so it's really not a bandwidth issue, they just don't want to have lots of io on their msdt :(

[mild dome]

Are converters x4 5.0 to x16 3.0 cheap?

Why ya need so much io anyhow?

[astral haven]

no they are horrifically expensive
but they are built into the chipsets

and i dont need much io
i just need pcie slots
i have a bunch of pcie 2.0x8 ssds and a pcie x16 nic

and I already bought an expansion card that converts a 3.0x16 slot into 4x 3.0x8 slots

so it would be really nice to have a 3.0x16 slot

[cursive summit]

https://www.gizchina.com/2022/04/26/south-korea-to-launch-a-6g-communication-prototype-in-2026/

Yay

Cause 5G totally is not good enough

[ashen spindle]

well it isnt

[cursive summit]

It can always go higher

Even though the benefits at that point start to diminish

[ashen spindle]

or maybe there is more that can improve than just raw up/download speed

and even if not, 2026 is not close and file size increase etc.

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/gina-lestrade-toby-tgaa-the-great-ace-attorney-become-ungovernable-gif-25859175

[frozen ingot]

even if we don't need more bandwidth there's still improvements to be made in network coverage, efficiency etc

[reef patrol]

Coverage goes down with every generation due to the frequency shift.

So maybe let 4G finish before going 6G xD

[ashen spindle]

nothing that stops adoption from 4g spectrum into the 6g bands in theory

so doesnt really mean coverage goes down at all

[reef patrol]

Don't know about you, but I have to block 5G access where I live to get a stable signal. Cause it keeps bouncing between 5 and 4.

HARD

[ashen spindle]

idk I only have 4 since I use a budget plan that costs me 0€ a month

[cursive summit]

https://dailytechnic.com/nvidia-rtx-4090-4080-4070-and-rtx-4060-specs-leak/

Seems to be a weird mix of a whole ass of sources

[mild dome]

Part of the reason for shrinking cell size is because of the increasing density of devices. You reach a point where you run out of radio bands and they have to take turns to talk to the tower

[junior ore]

^

[astral haven]

We hit that point ages ago and mostly spend our time improving how we schedule the time and frequency multiplexing

[astral haven]

My house is really good at blocking 4g signal but 5g seems to work alot better
I get about 30 down either way, but I get 10 sometimes 20 up instead of 3
Makes the internet feel alot faster

[pale sigil]

finally

[ashen spindle]

cant wait for them to say it's 4x the power of a 3090 or similar this time

[pale sigil]

xD

[ashen spindle]

oh look, should I be petty and go back to check who didn't believe me m2 would not be 3nm and tag them all

[ashen spindle]

thats the comparison btw

[ashen spindle]

wait now its against this

[pale sigil]

[ashen spindle]

wtf are those comparisons

not even AV1 hardware?

[ashen spindle]

wait even intel is adding AV1 to their gpus l

imagine being outdone by intel gpus lmao

[pale sigil]

Macbook air has a fucking notch

AN AUDIO JACK

THERE'S AN AUDIO JACK (not what i was showing in the pic)

[crimson wigeon]

Apple doesn't like those free open formats and whatnot

[shadow minnow]

They also compared it to a 12 core laptop

[ashen spindle]

yes they compare it to different chips for the same things

[shadow minnow]

Yeah they have audio jacks now and they are aparently pretty good

[shadow minnow]

Well they actually said the windows chip had better top performance which is already good. Compared to what apple would usually say

[ashen spindle]

tf is a "windows chip"

[crimson wigeon]

Chip that runs Windows

[shadow minnow]

[pale sigil]

https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/1533872498797817858

Linus Tech Tips (@LinusTech)

ladies and gentlemen... the M2 pro #WWDC22

Twitter · Jun 6, 2022, 6:04 PM

https://twitter.com/potatosordfight/status/1533873014537760769

Will Stonehouse 🌐 (@potatosordfight)

@LinusTech ladies and gentlemen, the M4 Pro

Twitter · Jun 6, 2022, 6:06 PM

[fair gull]

man

doge must feel dumb rn

[fair gull]

the what

[pale sigil]

Apple made their own upscaler

[cursive summit]

That.... is disappointing?

[pale sigil]

[cursive summit]

Just 18%?

I was thinking M2 will be mindblowing perf increase

You know all that Apple silicon hype

[fair gull]

my guy thats a render and the laptop wont be actually twice a humans height

[frozen ingot]

oh its that time again

[pale sigil]

i swear lad

[cursive summit]

Or is "18%" faster CPU like, frequency

And not total perf increase

Meh it's Apple nobody in their right mind should care

[fair gull]

yes bruv?

[pale sigil]

apple giving a shit about gaming

what is this madness

[cursive summit]

Mate

This chonker looks like budget asian Todd Howard

[fair gull]

just wait for the catchphrase

[cursive summit]

I sure hope we see Todd on Jun 12th

[fair gull]

if that mofo says it has

[pale sigil]

Resi evil village 1080p on the macbook air

[fair gull]

the details

[pale sigil]

[cursive summit]

Is this like some shitty term for EUV?

[pale sigil]

IPhone as webcam

"new"

[ashen spindle]

no its normal descriptions since basically nobody knows what node names are if they are generic consumer

[pale sigil]

"System settings" is a new feature?....

[cursive summit]

We invented the settings

[fair gull]

ye hadnt had em before

[cursive summit]

• Apple

[fair gull]

i had to scrape on the ssd chips to update settings

[pale sigil]

Apple invented their own google docs

yay

[cursive summit]

We invented the paper

...again

• Apple

Apple really is only fun to follow just to ridicule them for all the shit they do and see all other companies steal their sometimes pretty alright ideas

Fuck them for the headphone jack still

[frozen ingot]

if I commuted more I'd def be saltier about that

[halcyon moss]

Why are you watching a video made for journalists?

[fair gull]

sheeple

[ashen spindle]

look at ars/anand live blog/ctrl f for M2, got all the info to laugh about

[shadow minnow]

Because it’s apple

And it’s made well

(The video)

[pale sigil]

This is nice

[cursive summit]

So it's trash?

[shadow minnow]

What’s opposite of fanboy called when you just hate on sth because you find it cool to just hate on it even if it’s irrational

[cursive summit]

Oh it's perfectly rational

[shadow minnow]

Often people go to irrational extends

[cursive summit]

I hate companies that are quite literally cancer upon humanity

[shadow minnow]

Like genuinely same way there are apple sheeps

You have opposite

Which is people who have heard about apple sheeps

And now think everything apple sucks

[cursive summit]

Apple has done good things for humanity, but also it's responsible for a lot of the shit that makes everything worse

[shadow minnow]

Which clearly there are some things the devices are good at

[cursive summit]

I would much rather shit on Apple products and get better devices from other companies

That are more ethical in their practices

[shadow minnow]

Try Eve

[frozen ingot]

apple is a garbage company towards the consumers, but they can make good products now and again

[cursive summit]

The what

[wheat plume]

Why are there other apps open sideways on the left side??

[pale sigil]

Previously opened apps

[cursive summit]

Apple can do literally nothing to tempt me to get their shit

I prefer open ecosystems and consumer friendly practices

[shadow minnow]

Can’t relate

I prefer well connected ecosystems

[cursive summit]

Android is bae

There is like 10 functions that my smartphone can do that I actually use

[frozen ingot]

running a google os on my phone is still less desirable imo

[cursive summit]

And 1001 that it can do but I'll never end up using

Smartphones are smart enough

Android provides all the necessarily interconnect already

[frozen ingot]

I don't dislike android as such, its just riddled with googles data mining botnets

[cursive summit]

Well shit if we can degoogle Android succesfully without making it die

I'd be all for that

Apple or Google, I'd rather pay Google

[pale sigil]

Rip Ubuntu touch

[frozen ingot]

yeah kinda hard to get rid of google services without losing out on good features

[cursive summit]

Google isn't even that bad of a company afaik

[fair gull]

apple would brainwash you if they could

[cursive summit]

Like sure they mine data and shit

[fair gull]

oh wait

[cursive summit]

At least Google I have never heard of doing terrible consumer practices

And the shit they invest in is very commendable

[frozen ingot]

I rather get the fruit phone, also I have more apps bought on ios so they got me by the balls there too

google is more insidious than that

[cursive summit]

Idk Goog is kind of under the radar a lot

Not much is really known on what they actually do

[frozen ingot]

they literally rig their search engines that affects political development

google services in general are meticulously filtered by their megalgorithm

[fair gull]

first apple needs to design their devices better engineering wise

[frozen ingot]

oh don't get me wrong apple are cunts

[fair gull]

and not make their devices destroy themselves

[frozen ingot]

its the same with most other manufacturers tbh

[fair gull]

no apple has some real shit design decisions

[frozen ingot]

you just don't hear or notice it so much because they don't have as many eyes on them

[fair gull]

especially on interconnects between their sub pcbs

[frozen ingot]

apple has made some really bad engineering decisions for sure

maybe am just lucky but my fruit stuff are all years old, some over half a decade and it just goes

the samsung flagships I had felt well made on early impression but both were kinda falling apart after some 2 years of daily use

[fair gull]

personally had customers with superb clean macbooks come in

ssd chips fried due to some really small short between 2 pins

[frozen ingot]

oh I've watched my fair share of louis rossmann

[cursive summit]

water damage stickers red, voided warranty

[frozen ingot]

and his detailed documentation of their various blunders

[fair gull]

nope all clean

apple quoted them a new pcb, battery and topcase

when all that was needed was a new ssd voltage regulator

[cursive summit]

Oh Right to Repair, why can't you just.. idk... exist?

[fair gull]

didnt they get that in the US now?

[cursive summit]

In like one state

[frozen ingot]

well you don't become the worlds most valuable company by charging people less

[fair gull]

well it means they have to sell

or just stop selling in that state

[frozen ingot]

they've started to come around somewhat to the issue of repair, in a sort of apple one step forward two steps back way

[fair gull]

and guess what makes it more questionable

[fair gull]

was about to ask if you mean their really gimped repair program

[frozen ingot]

yeah they had that super strict program for repair shops

but they also announced some spare parts program for end consumers

haven't followed that up in a while tho

[fair gull]

that parts program was gimped my guy

they had like the IP12 only

and not even the parts people replace often

[frozen ingot]

oh yea it didn't have batteries or something

[shadow minnow]

Same

[frozen ingot]

of course there has to be a catch since its apple

[astral haven]

Nah it has batteries and screens it was just missing charge ports and the more popular phone models
Come on noone cares about repairing the iPhone 13 or whatever, the phones that need repair are the old ones

Be like Sennheiser where you have a website with an exploded view of the product labeled with numbers, and you order the numbered part

[fair gull]

but

sennheisers are too cheap

apple is premium products

[astral haven]

Scuse me?

The base price of apples most expensive product is half the price of the he-1s

The down payment for the he-1s is more than an iPhone costs

[fair gull]

the he-1s costs 14grand?

[astral haven]

56 grand

Doesn't the Mac pro start at 25ish grand?

[fair gull]

no

6

[astral haven]

Oh

[fair gull]

rack mount 7

25 is max spec

also

thats cheating i saw the he-1s comes with a base

[astral haven]

Lol

[fair gull]

the base is prob like 40grand alone

but uh

seriours thats what apple people would say

their products are premium

the rest is scams or just junk

[astral haven]

Ofc
Doesn't make it true

[fair gull]

ik

but in their world its true

apple is the be all end all

[astral haven]

Hope Sony converts their pro equipment parts availability to their phones too

[fair gull]

just like some linux people paint linux kernel as the be all end all

[astral haven]

I might consider the next next gen one

[astral haven]

Teeeeechnically the Linux kernel is good enough to do anything as long as you run another os in a VM on top

[fair gull]

that makes windows good enough to do anything aswell

if u run a vm on top of it

[astral haven]

Technically no

Because the windows kernel doesn't natively support vms

[crimson wigeon]

[astral haven]

The hyper-v kernel does tho

[astral haven]

Obviously I mean vtx amdv support with bare metal perf and hardware passthrough

[crimson wigeon]

Who needs that just software emulate everything

[astral haven]

You can run hypervisors over windows but hardware passthrough through windows is very non native

Also hyper-v pcie passthrough is very very very easy to break

[astral haven]

Or you could check one checkbox, reboot your computer and have near native perf still?

[fair gull]

currently unsure why the hyperv thing is bad

but sure

[astral haven]

It isnt

It's just not capable of running an os natively and in a VM at the same time

[fair gull]

which is good

[astral haven]

It's a capability that the Linux kernel has

[fair gull]

architecture wise its very good if vms dont directly know about each other and both think they run natively alone

[astral haven]

That isn't the case for the Linux kernel or the hyper-v kernel

[fair gull]

as far as i understood the hyperv platform it runs a thin kernel in a root partition and everything else basically is a vm

[astral haven]

Yes but the VM is aware that it is in a vm

[fair gull]

pretty sure i have seen guides on hiding cpu flags and stuff to hide the vm status from the guest os

[astral haven]

That just makes things difficult
You can do some basic timing checks when running an assembly program and you can know

Makes it impossible for a human without admin credentials to tell on windows for example

[fair gull]

as everyone does

[astral haven]

But if you are running a secure VM, you can tell the difference between Monterey style dedicated hardware and hypervisor based VM systems

[fair gull]

still fairly more comfortable with the hyperv approach rather than running an entire os as my hypervisor

[astral haven]

The Linux kernel isn't a complete os

And theres no way for a client to tell between the two hypervisors (in theory)

[fair gull]

so the linux kernel doesnt require me to run some sort of linux distro to use lxc or kvm

[astral haven]

Correct

It's an immense pain but is possible

[fair gull]

u see hyperv is a tick in a checkbox not an immense pain

the hypervisor basically sets itself up

[astral haven]

Yep but that requires that you start with a working os already

The os migrates itself automatically to the hypervisor but I don't see the advantage of that...

[fair gull]

auto isolation

[wheat plume]

"AI-Powered Robots Are Now Cloning Pigs All By Themselves | IFLScience" https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/aipowered-robots-are-now-cloning-pigs-all-by-themselves-at-a-university-in-china/

[astral haven]

In what way?

[wheat plume]

TIL we can clone pigs.....

And til they made robots to do it instead

[fair gull]

windows is also running under the hypervisor

[astral haven]

How is that windows isolated

It still has control over the hypervisor

[ashen spindle]

ahahahahahahahaha

[fair gull]

i mean u can technically remove that control

[astral haven]

Nope
Believe me I've tried

It just stops booting

[fair gull]

sounds like you havent tried hard enough

[astral haven]

Ok the equivalent would be installing a Linux distro, then running a script that uninstalls all packages besides kvm
Possible to do and would absolutely work

And you probably wouldn't stop booting
You just wouldnt be able to do anything with the os any more

[fair gull]

so basically hyperv core

[astral haven]

Hyper-v core is manageable

[fair gull]

id call it as manageable as only kvm

but sure

[astral haven]

It's not
It's equally manageable to windows server core

[fair gull]

which is also neigh unmanageable

[astral haven]

It just doesn't have a native interface outside of cli

Nah

[fair gull]

cli based windows is a pain in the butt

[astral haven]

Server core is easy to manage
You just run server manager on another computer

[fair gull]

thats

[astral haven]

The exact same thing as proxmox yes

[fair gull]

i give up this is pointless

[astral haven]

My job requires me to at least be aware of these things

[fair gull]

yet you argue that managing a server with another pc is equivilant to managing it in cli directly with ur statements

my guy managing hyperv core or any windows server core is garbage

the only way its sufferable is thanks to the blessing of a few good tools and one broken af tool

its even more sad that microshit wants us to use that broken tool nowadays despite it being broken

[astral haven]

Server manager is perfectly useable
Proxmox web interface is very good
Both of their clis are equally painful
The only difference is that proxmox requires you to download an HTML file directly from the server where server manager is an entirely separate binary blob that you need to download from microsoft

I'm not saying that hyper-v is better in any way
I'm just mentioning that they are the same paradigm terms of hypervisor use, except the Linux kernel is capable of only requiring you to download a DE to add a desktop environment, where hyper-v requires you to download an entire kernel + desktop environment on top of your existing kernel

[ashen spindle]

going over the apple numbers, if they increased the clock speed by just 100mhz that would then mean IPC had a regression from M1

omegalul

[astral haven]

That's what happens if you just implement all the fancy speedup tricks that x86 CPUs have had forever in one go
You don't have any options for getting faster besides more koars, kaches or io bandwidth

[ashen spindle]

I knew they grabbed all the low hanging fruit but still

and then to think the people who left to make nuvia, aka the brains behind m1 are fully gone, that's a rough place for apple

because there is no way apple can go back to x86 in the next 5 years

[mild dome]

Foes the new m2 support more then 1 external display? Lotto people at my job complained about that

[ashen spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

seems like display stuff was unchanged so probably not

I guess they can say they really outdid intel now though

much worse improvements than intel did with any cpu gen

[shadow minnow]

Well

I would argue it’s better than 11th gen lol

[ashen spindle]

nah

11th gen was a backport with all its issues, m2 is on a better node and not backported

and at least had newer pcie gen, better gpu etc.

wait they even announced even worse stuff lmao

I love using a plug that covers other outlets to use less power than third party tools can do

[mild dome]

But isnt it sleek and think different?

[empty wren]

So much wasted space

[ashen spindle]

yup

as comparison

and they have 5w more on each port as well

apples version cant even fast charge the machbook pro

[astral haven]

Is it just me or does it look like the plugs unfold 180°?

I really can't see how it unfolds

But also
The direct plug design is so much nicer lol

[astral haven]

6th gen was a downgrade on all fronts besides supply compared to 5th
The dram controller was such garbage that it was slower than even 4th gen, and got humiliated by 5th gen

[astral haven]

Oh God
Very wrong here
No wow that's atrocious

[ashen spindle]

haha yup

also fair, actually dont remember how 6th gen stacked up to 5th, 3rd to 8th sorta just blends together in my mind almost

[astral haven]

Extreme case of sidegrade
1-2 was huge, 3-4 was huge 7-8 was big

4-5 was odd, and 5-6 was a sidegrade with new gen slow ddr4

[ashen spindle]

for consumers its definitely worse sure, on manufacturing side I think the argument could still be valid since they got so little on the an improved node and didnt have to fight a node jump or different memory controller issues

6th gen was the first 14nm gen iirc

[astral haven]

Nop

5th gen was

And it was a supply disaster

They only had enough chips to make 2 skus practically

(they made lga and bga versions of each tho)

[ashen spindle]

yeah finding the anandtech articles about it atm

[astral haven]

It's a beautiful CPU imo and I really love mine

[ashen spindle]

coworker had a 5775 or something like that, dont remember which one it was till I helped him build a 5950x pc

or was it a 5820 not sure

[astral haven]

That's aloooot more likely

[ashen spindle]

names that gen were super confusing

it was high end

[astral haven]

The 57xx and below chips were very rare

Hedt was 58xx and above

I'm not really talking about those
Those were just gimped xeons and we're perfectly fine

The 5820k was a very nice chip for the time, and getting one on sale was p sweet

[ashen spindle]

ah thjink it was either the 5960x or 5930k

[astral haven]

But that was x99
The ddr4 early adopter penalty was real

2133 ddr4 was considered fast
It could barely run 2400

[ashen spindle]

lmao

[astral haven]

The qvls only went up to 3200 and it required juicy voltages

[ashen spindle]

I mostly remember the water cooled SLI 980s he had because holy shit that thing weighed a lot lmao

[astral haven]

Consider for a second that Skylake (which was unhappy above 3200) had 3800 qvls.
It was pretty bad

[ashen spindle]

oof

[astral haven]

Water is heavy

But so is solid copper

[ashen spindle]

well it was also a fucking heavy case because it was one of those pyramid alienware shit cases

[astral haven]

My waterblock (single slot) weighs more than any other PC component I've owned
Including steel cases

[ashen spindle]

dear god I really never liked any alienware design

am just happy the monitor is not super weird and just a normal shape

[astral haven]

I bought a threadripper motherboard from eBay that came from one of those

It's pretty annoying but was p cheap

I'm gonna try to make some biiiig ram benchmark numbers with some new bdie I just got

[ashen spindle]

are those two tower coolers or is that one monstrosity of a cooler

[astral haven]

Two separate

[ashen spindle]

thank god

[astral haven]

Random pile of stuff in the corner

[ashen spindle]

at first I thought it was one of those angled coolers, then it looked like some heatpipe might be inbetween then it made no sense lol

[astral haven]

The bottom PC has 24gb of ram, but it's not in flex mode, and it's identical per channel

It's actually tri rank per channel

Pretty horrifying stuff

[ashen spindle]

sounds very cursed

[astral haven]

Not as cursed as 40gb of ram in 6 channels that my server is

[ashen spindle]

[astral haven]

And the cursed part is it's 3 channels per CPU and actually running symmetrical

20gb of ram in 3 channels

[reef patrol]

That one is HELL to work on as a 3rd party repairman

So many weird extension cables going from one side to another to link front panels and whatnot up.

[mild dome]

Just zip tie the board to a milk crate and call it high airflow design

[fair gull]

u mean

[wheat plume]

"EU could enforce a single phone charger within weeks | TechRadar" https://www.techradar.com/news/eu-could-enforce-a-single-phone-charger-within-weeks

Finally
All hail USB c

[fair gull]

they already kinda enfore a more condensed standard port

doubt they can actually force all usb-c

also usb-c is a formfactor not a standard for how to use it

[reef patrol]

EU is primarily interested in chargers. So manufacturers are pushed to agree on fast charging standards etc.

[mild dome]

Janky

But we can do worse

Or incase you need a laptop

[cursive summit]

As far as USB-C as a form factor goes

Shouldn't EU also specify all the voltage requirements and stuff?

Last I heard, there was this issue where certain charging bricks can't handle voltages that a phone requires

[reef patrol]

I don't disagree - Personally I'd love to see two charger standards.

One for budget phones with maybe a 30w fast charge minimum?
One for enthusiast phones with maybe a 60? 90w? minimum.

And then an enforced discount specifically on the final sale for not having a charger included.

[shadow minnow]

Didn’t eu literally want companies to stop including chargers?

[reef patrol]

I'm combining things.

[shadow minnow]

Also enforced discount sounds funny since they can just increase price by the ammount the discount would be, sounds pointless imo tbh

[reef patrol]

Not including chargers doesn't solve anything when every phone's charger is different.

[reef patrol]

It's about sending a constant message to both manufacturer and customer.
A reminder that they should be paying less than their last phone with a charger included.

[shadow minnow]

Well if it’s the same phone sure

But when the phone has new features and with inflation prices tend to change

And if you just see price that way you could say that actually the iPhone 12 price decreased because you get 128gb model base instead of 64 which would be 50€ more, while chargers costs like 20€, so actually the price “went down” by 30€ for the same thing

[reef patrol]

You're missing my point. The retail cost of an iPhone 12 is with the charger included in the price.
If the iPhone 15 doesn't have a charger, the cost should reflect that - Which we all know it won't cause greedy manufacturers. But if they have to list the charger discount then the MSRP is more accurate and reviews and criticism of prices will be better.

[shadow minnow]

What I am saying is that iPhone 12 already didn’t have charger in box, just the cable, and it costed the same as iPhone 11
However this time storage started at 128gb and iPhone 11 with 128gb would cost you 50€ more. While charger costs 20€.
So you could say in that way price went down by 30€.
Even then removing charger and keeping the same price if phone changes does kinda make sense I am afraid considering inflation

[ashen spindle]

that is a really bad calculation because its based off of their own made up prices with extra margins baked in

[cursive summit]

Looking at the Xiaomi 11t pro

To get the 120W charging you literally need this particular brick

[reef patrol]

Jesus... 120W charging. 😄

[cursive summit]

This doesn't really fix the waste problem if your new shiny thing has charging power that needs a new charger brick

What next, 150W and a new brick again?

[reef patrol]

It reduces it if when a new wattage standard is made everyone has to follow it. Will my OnePlus charge at 60W (which is what it is rated for) on that Xiomi charger? Or will the handshake fail? That sort of thing.

[cursive summit]

There really is no standard for charging anymore

Samsungs are stuck with like 30W

[ashen spindle]

also electrical limits, its not like you can just go up 50W every 2 years

[cursive summit]

Sony has like 20W

Chinese phones are somewhere in like 60W

Some go up to 120

[reef patrol]

True - We're reaching a point where phones are getting really hot during charging.

[cursive summit]

We are reaching a point where a battery isn't really enough to keep em powered

Doesn't the S22 Ultra literally have a 5000 mAh battery and can't hold a day?

[ashen spindle]

that can be solved by better efficiency

[fair gull]

well if they follow usb PD specs it would handshake and if it fails usually do like the 5v 2a charge

[cursive summit]

You'd think efficiency would increase battery life, but the screen tech and everything is sucking up more than we can free up with optimizations and better chip tech

[ashen spindle]

first perf/power goes up then stagnates thus efficiency can catch up

[cursive summit]

Samsung is also as far as I read, known for having a lot of proprietary gimmicks for power optimization

[fair gull]

unsure on the pd spec exactly but there was a fallback mode for handshake failure

[cursive summit]

And even then the battery life is just sad

[shadow minnow]

Aren’t there like two different standards too, qc and pd some phones using one and some the other?

[fair gull]

usb pd is the official standard by the usb consortium afaik

qc is some weird proprietary thing

usb pd is the standard of the future imo

240w over usb-c

up to 48v

[cursive summit]

QC is like from Qualcomm, based on PD

But very well adapted

Then you have a shit ton of other charging protocols that nobody has ever heard of like VOOC, Dart, Pump Express or XCharge

Almost like being normal isn't an option

[misty saffron]

https://twitter.com/rileytestut/status/1533899045197860864

Riles 🤷‍♂️ (@rileytestut)

New “Developer Mode” in iOS 16! Must be enabled in order to install self-signed apps onto your device 👀

“When Developer Mode
is turned on, your device security will be reduced” https://t.co/vfg2zZ6HR1

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what could this mean

[crimson wigeon]

You are now a developer

[wheat plume]

You are now a developer

[fair gull]

i guess even sticks of ram with the same speed and cas numbers can be completely incompatible

[ashen spindle]

yes

[fair gull]

seperately they dont error at all

[ashen spindle]

yup

[fair gull]

together they have like 4 errors accross 32gb

ngl never had such an issue

[ashen spindle]

had an issue in the office where we wanted to upgrade a pc from2x8 to 4x8 and just wouldnt work

was some shitty corsair sticks

same 2x8 combo and all, no chance

[fair gull]

this is a lenovo think station both samsung

the 2 original and the 2 expansion

but no dice

[ashen spindle]

seems to be normal if its on sort of crappy samsung dies

F die maybe

not sure what it was

[halcyon moss]

i have a feeling Quickcharge has been around waay longer than usb-c power delivery

[fair gull]

since the oem sticks all have really short names

and i already got confused why it couldnt boot from any media at all

it loaded windows didnt find kernel

it loaded linux crashed the system

even the bios froze several times

[halcyon moss]

sounds like a bad mem module

[fair gull]

which was somehow fixed with an update

[fair gull]

memtest 86 says both are fine

[ashen spindle]

A-Die, might have been the one that is known to cause issues if mixed

[fair gull]

thats the oem sticks

[ashen spindle]

yesn't, it can do what it says but it might not work with other packs, which is not broken is more like, extra feature that almost everything else has

[halcyon moss]

ah yes, i had that once with a laptop of mine. if that stick was in there, it crashed after a while. if it wasnt, it was totally fine. memtest ran a complete run (took aaages) and found 0 errors

[ashen spindle]

basically not an issue for any non budget ram mix, but if its the low tier dies they might not work with other non validated packs

[fair gull]

highly doubt the new sticks are bad

almost through first pass 0 issues

[ashen spindle]

well, as I said they aren't bad per se

[fair gull]

welp to the boss to get new ones

not my issue

[ashen spindle]

they just dont have the extra option of working with non validated sticks

[cursive summit]

It is not

USB PD has been a thing actually a year earlier than QC

[shadow minnow]

I guess qc may have been more used on phones early on

But on other devices PD was indeed around for longer

[cursive summit]

Well it's qualcomms thing so since snapdragon is so popular they definitely pushed for adoption

Nowadays it's hard to say which one is actually more popular, and it actually doesn't matter I would say

[shadow minnow]

Well it matters in terms of compatibility

[cursive summit]

Iirc nowadays some phones and power bricks both have PD and QC support

Edited for clarification

[halcyon moss]

well quickcharge is first released in 2013, usb-c was published in 2014

[cursive summit]

PD literally was released 2012

[halcyon moss]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware#USB_Power_Delivery

yup

[cursive summit]

Yeah QC is proprietary and has nothing to do with PD

But some charging bricks are able to support both so you don't have to buy separate ones

So if your device supports PD or QC, it will do that

If not it'll work at normal speeds

[astral haven]

Qc 4.0 is just a rebrand of the most recent pd standard

[reef patrol]

I ironically have more devices with Firewire than USB in my house.

[fair gull]

i ironically have more wire on fire than firewire devices in my house

[shadow minnow]

That’s not very good

[astral haven]

Mansen says this but then forgets to count their phones, and any of the devices with FireWire and usb

[reef patrol]

No I just have that much old Mac crap at this point 😄

Devices with both count as Firewire. Sorry - I make the rules.

[astral haven]

🤨

Tbh you don't make the rules, some people in England made the rules a while ago and we have been dealing with the consequences ever since

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-bender-bender-bending-rodriguez-fry-philip-j-fry-gif-22941842

[fair gull]

mansen why did u let brits decide your rules for classifying your personal devices

[astral haven]

That's what you do when you speak in English

[fair gull]

sorry this is american

[astral haven]

I have got some bad news for you

[fair gull]

na i think i got some bad news for you

[reef patrol]

Bork, Bork? Bork!

[fair gull]

english being either an umbrella term for multiple varieties of modern english or referring to things from england like the british people or smth

it might surprise you that both american english and british english are english

but not the same

[reef patrol]

Me? English? Unpossible innit.

[astral haven]

Lol ok this will be fun

[junior ore]

I feel like sceaming is required when memory stick wanna fight

@fair gull by chance have you checked to make sure your bios/uefi settings wasnt auto-overclocking your RAM sticks?

Also have your updated its firmware

And does your CPU support the frequencies.

Aaaaaaaaa, uuuuh, is one of the ram sticks single sided memory or double?

[astral haven]

If you have windows installed, I highly recommend using occt for stress testing

Finds errors waaay faster, and is able to test more than just memory

[fair gull]

yes there isnt even a setting for that

[fair gull]

an aida64 stresstest has shown theres no issues at all

with either pair of sticks

[astral haven]

Aida64 doesn't have error checking

[fair gull]

unnecessary since it did bsod within seconda of having booted anything

[astral haven]

Lol

[fair gull]

or in case of linux crashed while booting

and im with quin on this

it just seems both are incompatible

[astral haven]

Also that's edie not adie

Either way nearly ewaste tier stuff

[fair gull]

works

so idc

[shadow minnow]

True, especially AVX2 CPU mode

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7000-desktop-zen4-cpu-has-already-been-delidded

[cursive summit]

Oh wow..

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1654235588

Unexpected..

Shocking..

Unforeseen..

Completely out of the blue

Unanticipated

Wouldn't happen even once in a blue moon

[ashen spindle]

also old news since it was found in april and updates were already send out

[mild dome]

It's a good tv, but it's really quite shocking that Samsung would cheat when they are already in first place

[cursive summit]

In what metric?

LG's OLED is still one of the best TVs

QD-OLED sure we can talk about it

[mild dome]

That article was about Samsung's new QD-OLED wasn't it? I know they cheated with that TV

IRC Sony has the best tv processor according to some reviewers, so once Samsung's panel is combined with that processor it should in theory take the crown.

[junior ore]

Only sony tv id buy is a trinitron

[ashen spindle]

zen4 delids looking fun

[misty saffron]

https://www.macrumors.com/2022/06/08/apple-passkeys-next-generation-passwords/

oh look

Apple has been working with members of the FIDO Alliance, including Google and Microsoft, to ensure that passkeys can also be used with non-Apple devices and across platforms. On non-Apple devices, Passkeys will work through QR codes that will authenticate using the ‌iPhone‌, but it will require support from other companies, so it's a standard that needs to be adopted across the tech world.

[ashen spindle]

tbf microsoft did say they were working on that a while ago already

so might for once actually work since they want it too

[wheat plume]

^

[thick elk]

On a related note getting my gmail account to work again in k9mail was needlessly complicated.
So basically they disabled password based login, which is fine, however google has not yet authorized k9mail for use of oauth.
Luckily there is a workaround namely to use an app password.
To do so however I first had to enable two factor, (I know, should be less lazy but the password itself is at least secure)
Now here I thought, ok just give me some Totp keys and be done with it.
Oh no you can't just do that, no you first have to enable either login in via your phone or by using sms verification.
So my steps were as follows for all 4 accounts:
enable 2 factor via sms > enable 2 factor via totp > disable 2 factor via sms enable app password > fill the app password into the k9 mail.

Technically I didn't have to add totp but it's good to have while I was setting it up anyway

I know in general it is less secure but I absolutely don't like 2 factor tied to either a third party program or a device

[fair gull]

guess im glad i selfhost my mail?

[thick elk]

I should do that some time, I am just to lazy to set it up

[fair gull]

iredmail docker made it easy-ish ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thick elk]

Not saying it is hard, just too lazy to do the research.

[ashen spindle]

same, I'm expecting some problem to come out at some point with big email providers and I just hope I stop being lazy and set up something before that happens

just too much stuff on it for it to never experience a big issue

[fair gull]

https://github.com/iredmail/dockerized#

comes with a quick guide

the worst part with the most research is actually dkim and spf records

lol

[thick elk]

Oh I know that at the top of my head, dkim is not really needed and spf is rather easy

[fair gull]

well

them fancy tools for checking security want both

so i just did it all

[thick elk]

fair enough

[fair gull]

not that doing them was hard

i should mention if you plan to use autodiscover with iredmail in general

itll suck

anything but outlook can easily configure itself tho

[thick elk]

Outlook is a mess in that regard yea, but hey what do you expect, it's outlook

[astral haven]

@ashen spindle
Holy crap these are so good
I didn't realize these existed until you mentioned your set

[fair gull]

oh its more like microsoft doesnt like to document their new required json format response

[ashen spindle]

oh the form looks almost identical, nice

[fair gull]

the xml autodiscover is sort of known

[thick elk]

I wish everyone uses the standard thunderbird uses named autoconfig, much simpler and just works

[ashen spindle]

mfw

[fair gull]

ikr... autodiscover could just use other groupware protocols for well the groupware features

[thick elk]

usually not a big deal but at work we use a mail provider where the mailservers are not on the same domain as the mailbox

[astral haven]

Yea I tried all the new TV headsets that Sennheiser was selling a few years back but they were all complete garbage
These were discontinued a while ago

[ashen spindle]

is there any model left over thats similar and still sold

[astral haven]

None that are any good

[fair gull]

thats why u buy up all good condition used ones

[ashen spindle]

so, Make Sennheiser Great Again?

[astral haven]

Nope Sennheiser is dead

[ashen spindle]

[astral haven]

Their consumer audio division is split off into epos audio

[ashen spindle]

which is a bit weird since they still make headphones that are absolutely consumer level

[astral haven]

Nope

Sennheiser branded headphones owned by epos

Only their microphones are still under Sennheiser GmbH or whatever it is

[ashen spindle]

https://www.sennheiser-hearing.com/de-DE/kopfhoerer/over-ear-kopfhoerer/ so those are all just rebrands that arent marked as such?

[astral haven]

Well no
The split was only in 2019, and all prior products are still under the old name
Also
They are separate companies so that they can sell epos eventually, they aren't yet independently owned (las I checked)

[ashen spindle]

I never found out why that even happened, did they do some dumb decisions and had to sell or did they just miscalculate and didnt make profit anymore?

[astral haven]

Dunno the reasoning

Oh 2018
"In 2018, Demant A/S and Sennheiser electronic GmbH & Co. KG announced the end of the joint venture, Sennheiser Communications, and that the business segments would evolve in new set-ups. The business segments Enterprise Solutions and Gaming headsets will evolve as a new independent company, EPOS, under Demant"

[ashen spindle]

oh so holdings group that just had to do bullshit, got it

[astral haven]

At work I have an epos headset for my desk phone
It's rather janky but the sound quality is fantastic

[ashen spindle]

well yeah I dont think the people all got fired its just weird to do it that way when it seemed to work quite well before and had a strong name

[astral haven]

Unfortunately I doubt it was profitable

You simply cannot manufacture in Europe and compete with Chinese products

[ashen spindle]

hmm looks like epos headphones only come as Bluetooth if I dont want them with mic and wireless

eh I shouldnt bother looking, might change a lot when I actually need get one

anyway, glad I could get you to find some good wireless headphones

[astral haven]

Dect lol

Oh if you don't want them with mic

[ashen spindle]

ya

[astral haven]

Eh whatever
Mics are fine as long as you can disable them

Mine allows you to rotate it into the up position and the mic cuts off

[ashen spindle]

yea sure but extra parts that cost more/points that could break etc.

[astral haven]

Fair

Usually tho all these chips have integrated mic adcs and you just need to attach a capsule or mems module to them

It's a dollar of parts and 2$ of extra cost at a base
Then the boom and hall effect sensor are an extra $4

The expensive bit is the wireless bit

And the dac

And batteries

[ashen spindle]

what about the space it takes up on the inside of the shells, my thought it could maybe be limiting some options if they need to add a mic

or is that tiny enough by now

[astral haven]

There are microphones the size of smd ceramic caps lol

[ashen spindle]

ok and then just some small cable or w/e connects it in the earcup to the rest?

just didnt know if there might be something im not thinking of that could be taking up space

[astral haven]

Nah mostly they just throw it on the PCB and drill a hole in the case

[ashen spindle]

alright guess its just preference for me then that wont matter if I cant get a non mic option

[astral haven]

If you have a fancy headset they have 4 or 5 of these on a PCB that is in the periphery of the case
See airpods pro, wh1000xm, Bose qc

[astral haven]

But the more problematic thing is that epos doesn't really try to make consumer products
They are just keeping their old Sennheiser products around and making stuff to compete with the jabras and the plantronics

[ashen spindle]

well I would be happy if there would be keeping the old sennheiser stuff around and not the new-old ones

[astral haven]

Well

Get rekt

Quality products are punished these days
The longer between replacements the lower the revenue

Ok my first impressions of battery life are not great
1 hour of charging for 15 minutes of usage?
I think I'll need to replace the batteries lol

Oh geez
Sennheiser says 16 hours of charging for 8 hours of use

That's pretty bad

[stone topaz]

ayo whats the thing i download to get all the access to the keyboards stuff

[reef patrol]

That depends. Wooting keyboard owner or Fortnite enthusiast on another brand's board?

[stone topaz]

keyboard owner

[reef patrol]

https://wooting.io/wootility

[cursive summit]

https://apnews.com/article/climate-european-parliament-union-and-environment-336524fead81e58eb755ba004880f201

[old marlin]

I am absolutely malding

why is raspberry GPIO always causing problems when I try to do shit with it

script runs just fine, except when I try to open it with cron, then GPIO just seems to not work

it works now

and I got no clue what I changed

the worst

[misty saffron]

this is so unbelievably dumb honestly

[ashen spindle]

what part of it

[shadow minnow]

It’s only on new cars so makes sense by 2035

[misty saffron]

the part where most of europe still heavily relies on fossil fuels for electrical energy generation

[ashen spindle]

which is planned to be changed on the same date

now it's very likely neither will happen and 2035 is quite late anyway

[misty saffron]

it just looks very funny that they constantly talk about evs and germany gives up on nuclear

[ashen spindle]

well we have enough solar and wind that could cover it without that

if we stop having idiots that slow down both sectors

[misty saffron]

not a very good excuse, nuclear energy can be exported to countries that can’t afford to get renewable energy somehow

meh, idiots are still gonna win

[ashen spindle]

but we can do the same without nuclear?

we can produce a lot more than needed with solar/wind/hydro

[reef patrol]

There is no way it's happening by 2035. It's basically a way to throw more money at electric and hydrogen car industries.

[misty saffron]

was it really necessary to just shut down power plants and lose a lot of money in the process for that though?

[ashen spindle]

if the money we put into nuclear would have been put into solar&co instead of more coal, we would have made profit even..

so it would have been not a loss of money if lobbyists wouldn't have fucked around

[astral haven]

Coal peakers and gas powered cars are highly subsidized, the fewer they are subsidizing, the more money there is for building out the grid (for the EU replace coal with natural gas)

[reef patrol]

laughs in Denmark

[astral haven]

And electric cars are highly efficient peaker plants using v2g

About 3x more efficient than coal

And that's without including the line losses that are reduced by having the energy much closer to the point of use

[ashen spindle]

yup, if you were to look at coal plants as a business they would go bankrupt in no time without money from the government, unlike renewables in almost all situations

[astral haven]

And renewables create more less dangerous jobs

Per unit money invested

[ashen spindle]

but hey, gotta allow the removal of an entire town and forest to get more coal, but wind turbines have to stay so far away you cant even see them or it could be annoying for people...

[rancid roost]

Never been hit by an windturbine wing i see

[rancid roost]

Also laws re based on old turbines up until now. New ones are far less loud

At least in good ol’ Germany

[ashen spindle]

doesn't matter, söder still has his logic assbackwards with the dumb 10h rule

[astral haven]

A wind turbine wing is visible and can pose a danger to for example 500 square meters
Radioactive chemicals are problematic for the entire watershed and are tough to track
And coal dust is almost visible but definetly ain't healthy for anyone in the nearby towns

[ashen spindle]

take a guess what rule is still almost unchanged and what lobby funded it

[astral haven]

Woow

[ashen spindle]

as you can read from the way its worded it's written by the idiots who supported it instead of reasonable people

those were probably too ashamed to write an english text of it

guess where we are now 8 years later? they just got around adding some exceptions where it can be reduced to 1 kilometer away...

just makes me mad every time I think about it, how long we had the same idiots in power that just refuse to see logic and are still blocking it now that we have finally some (very slightly) less incompetent people in power

[rancid roost]

Infrasound is calculated wrong btw. Its dating back to a study, they jinxed it

[ashen spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[rancid roost]

Things will change, people are just busy nowadays, dont wanna get political and edgy, but mother russia seems to take some time off people’s days, as old ladies use to do.

[ashen spindle]

oh sure and thats a fair point, but we had 8 years without putin going full on crazy where still nothing changed xD

[rancid roost]

Well that party still has to fight some interns lawsuits against lobbyism whoops

[ashen spindle]

just a few xD

[empty wren]

https://youtu.be/o6Nh05Qjs4o

Maybe next we will get an Animus

[pale sigil]

Looked at me mam's data

[reef patrol]

mobile data

jfc get some wifi madam

[crimson wigeon]

Y tho, especially when the wifis might even be slower!

[reef patrol]

Brexit things? Imagine having a slower landline connection than mobile.

(Not to mention costs of mobile bandwidth of that scale)

[crimson wigeon]

Oh right there are countries where it's not unlimited

[reef patrol]

I think you'll find that no country has unlimited - There IS a fair use limit and if you try and torrent on it, you will found out fast 😄

[crimson wigeon]

True, I should start tethering more again and see where the limit is, there was a point where I was using hundreds of GiBs a month

[shadow minnow]

Not just brexit
My wifi in Slovakia was wifi but it was by having 4G receiver

It was fastest and biggest limit

Even compared to cable in that village

[pale sigil]

Her workplaces dont have it and when they do its like 2mb/s

[reef patrol]

oof

[pale sigil]

mostly not a thing here

[pale sigil]

Most advertise this as a point now, no hidden caps or throttles.

[shadow minnow]

Then there is Instagram App Store and discord

[pale sigil]

why not just show it all

[ashen spindle]

gotta hide the 40gb tinder data

[shadow minnow]

Personal hotspot 12.1 to other devices hmm

Maybe it counts MacBook as other device when connected by cable

Just 1.3 for it wouldn’t make sense

Ngl I am clueless what time period is “current period” referring to

[ashen spindle]

scroll down

[shadow minnow]

Oh it’s since 2016 lol

[wheat plume]

Mine does it per day or month or week

I like this view better though

[final flame]

mine only shows a month

[astral haven]

This is insanely common in the us

[pale sigil]

is current usage per month

[reef patrol]

doubt

[astral haven]

Inside my house it's not faster but right outside it is for example

My home internet is 100/10

[pale sigil]

oh current is based on the last time you reset

so she has used around 10gb

this month

[crimson wigeon]

How disappointing

[wheat plume]

In the last week
I'm using this to monitor my roaming data usages

6gb data left

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/s95b-oled 1.13 ms so prob fw issues

[pale sigil]

she as in me mam

[wheat plume]

Aha

[astral haven]

And right outside my house I get 5g that does 100 /30 easy
I'd I point it right it does 140/35
And closer to the tower I get 300/80

[wheat plume]

Last month xd

[astral haven]

Hotspot????

[wheat plume]

Ye

[crimson wigeon]

Very hot

[pale sigil]

she uses it as her wifi at home