🔌│tech

[young pecan]

Tbh I'm ok with that in exchange for having everything on the store guaranteed to work.

[fickle ore]

Well, as a generalization (wasn't talking specifically apple here), but yeah well, you took the risk when you planned specifically for a applestore and closed source platform like that tbh. Risk/reward failed you.

[thick elk]

I really wish Apple would be forced to open up ios

[young pecan]

Just toss up either a section or second store where all the odd bullshit can go.

[ashen spindle]

what risk/reward???? im a customer who wants the app that works

[young pecan]

Yeah no thx. I'm ok with that not happening.

[astral haven]

There's nothing generalized about apple removing apps from "the" app store

[young pecan]

A little open. Enough to be workable.

But please for the love of fuck not open source.

[fickle ore]

you are not a customer if you're not paying. You're a freeloader

[ashen spindle]

I cant get the app even if its 50$ and I would be willing to spend it

[astral haven]

Who paid money

[ashen spindle]

its not something only happening for free apps

its everything

and im not freeloading if it doesnt cost the other side anything

[astral haven]

There's no such thing as a free app on the app store
You have to pay apple a minimum of $300 even if you get a dumpster Mac
But most people will buy a real mac

[ashen spindle]

and as was said, opportunity cost can be covered by shadow bans or seperate lists or similar

also yes, you pay money to get free apps on there anyway

and the minimum fee costs more than it ever costs apple to host it

[fickle ore]

Still fine with it, and saying this time as a customer. You went for applestore. Everyone knows apple. You got baited and fell for it. Boohoo. Make a new program.

[ashen spindle]

what

[astral haven]

Again remember
These are paying apple customers
Anyone who makes money from it also makes apple alot of money

[astral haven]

Are you trolling?

[fickle ore]

Yes, so why do you think they did it?

[fickle ore]

No, are you?

[astral haven]

You can't be serious

[fickle ore]

You too

[ashen spindle]

so you say as a customer, if I cant get a working game I would like to buy, I should make my own and put it on the app store

what

[fickle ore]

Games die all the time. Gotta learn to live with it. It's usually on the devs.

[astral haven]

That is so violently antihuman that it's not even funny

[ashen spindle]

ok but in this case it works

and I would be willing to pay them money

and it would cover more than the costs for hosting and all

and I can still not get it

[astral haven]

/have already paid them money

[fickle ore]

This begs the question, why is your money not enough for apple? Why are they doing it?

[ashen spindle]

I dont fucking care

[fickle ore]

hehe

[astral haven]

Because they are violently anti human?

[fickle ore]

Gotta please investors

[ashen spindle]

why are they using slave labor and pretend to be a co2 neutral company? to make money

[astral haven]

Any thing that would be even a tiny benefit to humanity gotta go if it doesn't advance the marketing

[ashen spindle]

but this does not please investors, investors dont give a flying fuck

[astral haven]

I'm an investor and I'm very unhappy

[ashen spindle]

this is not something that would otherwise cost them money

[fickle ore]

not perhaps directly

[astral haven]

This is needlessly pissing off the people who keep the ecosystem alive

[fickle ore]

If it does, then we will see Apple go full 180

[ashen spindle]

as was said multiple times, you can use shadow bans so only direct links or similar work if you care about visibility and opportunity cost, but removing it compared to that gains them 0$ for investors and unhappy customers, who mgiht now spend less on it

[astral haven]

No we won't?
Look what happened after bendgate

They are still using bottom tier garbage aluminum in all but the most expensive products

[young pecan]

Bendgate? Iirc that was phones able to be snapped in half, no?

[true quest]

yuh

[astral haven]

Worse
They bent on their own

[true quest]

apple won that competition

[fickle ore]

Well they're doing it, so there must be a reason. You/we are not looking deep enough

[astral haven]

It was such a problem that it was even a thing in direct out of box apple devices bent from the factory

[young pecan]

I mean it’s flex damage, I’d take a weaker casing over weaker internals.

[ashen spindle]

they have a reason yes, doesnt mean the reason cant be wrong

[astral haven]

You do realize that not all decisions are well thought out?

[ashen spindle]

all it says for me it's another reason that makes me decide to not put something on ios lol

[astral haven]

The part that flexed was the touch ic

Among other parts nearby on the pcb

Including audio and the modem

[young pecan]

This as well. Apple is often driven to stupid decisions for short term greed, always a moronic move from a large company.

[ashen spindle]

I dont want to put something small on it now and then receive mails later on complaining I took something away when it was apple, might as well just not deal with it at all

[fickle ore]

Sure, but which? Because we can't be sure yours or quin's are good either. There is no ultimate judge

[young pecan]

I remember the CPU weakening and coming off being a problem.

[astral haven]

No but we would prefer they do nothing in this case
We just proposed much more smooth options to save them money

Look
The more money apple makes, the earlier I retire

[ashen spindle]

• save customer happiness

[astral haven]

But I don't care to live in elysium

[young pecan]

I think best choice would simply be opening third party stores and allowing sideloading, then we can simply say Apple can keep the App Store nice and validated, the community can do whatever it wants outside of that.

[astral haven]

Yup

[young pecan]

But I do agree old apps can fuck off from the App Store.

Either update it or get it into a third party.

[ashen spindle]

best choice maybe, most realistic choice that apple would be willing to do is either do nothing or start with a shadow ban like system for apps that are old and still work

[young pecan]

Pls for the love of fuck third party.

And also DEFO not open source OS.

That thought makes me cringe so much.

Actually while we’re at sideloading, let’s also just bring Winterboard in as an official feature.

And Activator.

And probably Springtomise 5.

[fickle ore]

I just see it differently heh. I don't believe digital goods do need to be eternal, but they should have a reason to exist and a lifecycle. Say there's a free app with thousands of users that hasn't updated for 2 years? Why? The creator must be lazy, if so many people enjoy your product, surely you would atleast fix a bug on your free time if it were your passion product (why otherwise make it free?)

[astral haven]

We already addressed that argument
See above

[ashen spindle]

ok what if it has no bugs, the creator died, or works on another company and the old one went under and nobody has the code but it works

[young pecan]

I mean he’s not wrong tbh. Wouldn’t keep producing 4790ks atm.

[ashen spindle]

making a physical product with limited resources is not the same as keeping a link to a software lmao

[astral haven]

As for lifecycle
Name a type of media that has had that short of a lifespan that has ever existed in history?

[young pecan]

True but that ain’t what I’m talking about.

Better tech happens, more advanced code.

[ashen spindle]

also it would naturally fade out after the phones die, support breaks from os update etc.

[young pecan]

Why make a 4790k when the tech for a 5950X exists?

[ashen spindle]

so why not just keep it as long as it works

[fickle ore]

Dying is a good argument and I can't answer that. If no bugs, well, maybe add language support for 1 language once per 2 years so more ppl can love your awesome product? If code is lost, it cannot have been well managed or loved in the first place, barring some catastrophe, in which case it's dead either way so it's probably best buried anyway.

[young pecan]

Y’know?

[astral haven]

Some people need a 4790k tho

[ashen spindle]

or it could be dev changed company, old company makes something else and can not focus on two things

[young pecan]

So keep the old ones, but don’t make new ones. And even then at some stage there’s not a heap of value in supporting it.

[ashen spindle]

or copyright issue prevent people to update it because another company owns it now etc.

which is another issue, but as a customer I dont care about that if it works

and if it's a paid app that still makes money, apple should also not care ever

[fickle ore]

Surely, if we can come up with these corner cases, one could just email customer support to extend the removal period due to said reasons..

[ashen spindle]

"hey can you extend this because I can only update it next year after the legal case is over mabye

yeah apple would totally care

[astral haven]

It's apple lmao
Have you ever worked with them?

[fickle ore]

I dunno, I havent used an apple product since I was like 6 lol

[astral haven]

No I mean working directly

[ashen spindle]

its great for many consumers because its hell to develop for, including having to deal with support even when active

[young pecan]

Apple can only be described as slow.

Especially working for them.

Also inefficient.

[astral haven]

Every single company we work with besides apple has a rep
They are almost as bad as tesla

[ashen spindle]

also you could submit an update, then 2 weeks later they decline it and you didn't change anything but the copyright notice in a loading screen

why? because they often decline apps/updates for no reason

if youre lucky a resubmit then goes through

sometimes it doesnt

[astral haven]

And as soon as you get denied once, it's hell to get approved

[ashen spindle]

last example I can think of is LTTs floatplane app where that was the case after they removed in app links to purchases and then it took months to get back on and in the end a version got approved that was identical to the first one after the removal

[fickle ore]

Maybe you guys have outlined the reason why they did it? Too many indies. Too many products. Needs an army of support to deal with unused/unupdated/dead apps. 😄

[astral haven]

Look dag
I don't know why you are defending this, apple has a long history of making obviously bad moves that are bad for everyone and none gets any benefit for it

[ashen spindle]

no they cant even properly handle the active apps

and yes, I also think this is a bad move as an investor

[astral haven]

As an investor, you should be the first to scream about problematic moves like this.

The way the big companies fall is by years of small mistakes

[ashen spindle]

I can guarantee this will be used as an example in the next court case against apples closed system, and when that opens up I dont see it helping their profit margins lmfao

[fickle ore]

I'm not trying to defend it. I'm just trying to place myself on the other side to have a conversation about it. I could care less anyhow since I don't have anything to do with apple other than owning their stock and never will. My only argument is/was that: 1. I don't believe in eternal exposure via digital platforms vs. brick&mortar, 2. About having free lunches as an indie or otherwise. 3. "Steam landfill" might not be something any owner of a platform wants (I wouldn't) unless it was worth the effort of supporting it.

[ashen spindle]

point 2 is already just not the case

[fickle ore]

More than likely

[astral haven]

And point 1 isn't addressed by this

[ashen spindle]

I dont even want to imagine how many decades of cost it covers just having to pay the fee+ the money for a mac to build it

its far from free to put a free app on the store

[astral haven]

And any revenue you make makes apple money too

[ashen spindle]

and that also ignores argument like a free game still gets the user to spend time on the iphone and this more likely for them to see ads, get something else in addition etc.

you cant just look at one side of opportunity cost and ignore benefits

[astral haven]

Also for more frequent updates it still costs Apple money to get the app updated even when it doesn't cost the developer or anything extra
The qc has advantages and disadvantages

[ashen spindle]

oh also as a good example, if that was in effect on steam for example, among us would've already been gone before it experienced the hype boom last year, and how much money did steam make from it now?

like steam has a problem with too many games, but purely based on last update is a terrible way

[fickle ore]

None of us have their numbers tho. I feel like you guys are just thinking this logically. Running a big corp and staying as such leans on people's emotions too. Sure some tech nerds like us and a minority will scream about a game/app nobody knows getting deleted, but the screams won't be heard by the masses who will prefer a much more sleek platform, without problems of too many choices

[ashen spindle]

yes but staying a big corp also means you need to pay attention and not stack up decisions that in the end too many people dislike

and if we can think of a better solution to keep it clean in 5 mintues, apple surely can too

[astral haven]

I know how much it costs to host data

[fickle ore]

Yeh I'm sure their bean counters are running their sims about this and market sentiment

[astral haven]

What on earth makes you think that?

[fickle ore]

cuz they always are

[astral haven]

???

[fickle ore]

thats their job

[ashen spindle]

and they were wrong a lot?

[fickle ore]

lol sure

[ashen spindle]

im not saying they are bad at their job

just they make mistakes and quite often it was fairly easy to see from the outside

enough cases where it was quite obvious it would lead to court cases that in the end maybe still made them a net+ but could've been done without making a loss at all

[astral haven]

Remember it's always aloooot easier to look at a decision from after the fact

Here's the other thing too

This might have not been a decision from upper management

[fickle ore]

If I had my way, all dead games would be preserved in a digital game museum and open sourced, but I have no say in such things.

[astral haven]

Ok so why are you arguing for the intentional deletion of old games

[ashen spindle]

sure, but we're not even arguing for a way that costs apple more money

so from both a personal view and an investors view the current decision from apple should be bad to you

[astral haven]

Again apple already shadowbans anything that isn't compatible with your current device

[fickle ore]

Because If I place myself in the shoes of a CEO of a business, I am there to make a profit not giving museum services. Government or some non-profit should do the librarian thing.

[astral haven]

But they cant

What is the point for making extra work for your qc team when all that does is trigger some people who would have vanished off the app store on their own to actually update their apps, and especially if they don't change the code much, that would be problematic as that would cause your qc team to have problems

If they send out these reminders, now apps who would have slowly disappeared off the app store as more old iPhones become ewaste now suddenly have a chance of being back on

This obviously wasn't a thought out decision

This is likely caused by bad metrics for one or another division ar apple making the job of another division alot harder

[fickle ore]

I've used up all my arguments 😛 I don't think its the best decision from customer perspective. We could have survived without it sure. But they did it, and I tried to think a bit why. Will see if they follow thru or they change their minds

[ashen spindle]

it reminds me of intel decisions under the previous board, decision that looks money gaining at first/short term but in reality hurts the company

[astral haven]

Agreed

[astral haven]

Yup
I feel so bad for pat
First product you release is the 11900k as the new ceo

Well first consumer product

The xeon d update was welcome

[ashen spindle]

yea, and then he makes a somewhat good looking long term plan and stock drops because good long term means less short term gain lmfao

[astral haven]

Yuup

But buy buy buy

[ashen spindle]

like I dont trust intel to not fuck it up, but at least they have a massive chance now

[astral haven]

Also series I bonds rn are pretty sick

[ashen spindle]

idk shit about USA investment terms aside from stocks lmao

[astral haven]

I have faith that no matter how bad they screw it up, they won't bring down at least one of the CPU varieties (arm, risc-v, x86)

Worst case they screw over 2 of the 3

[ashen spindle]

is series I the thing the gov sells you over there?

[astral haven]

Give government money
Government gives money back with a variable rate that is higher than interest rate ( sometimes)

[ashen spindle]

so just something thats good right now but not related to intel?

[astral haven]

Yup

[ashen spindle]

or are there options related to stocks

ah ok

[astral haven]

It is inflation indexed
Zero relation to stocks besides being alot more reliable but longer term

Also only us citizens can hold
No companies allowed

I'm very sad that I just learned about them now :(

[fickle ore]

wish I could buy i-bonds

gg 7% guaranteed

EU bonds suck

[ashen spindle]

not if america goes down, and idk if I trust them to stay afloat for 30 years at this rate kek

[astral haven]

1 year

You can withdraw after 1 year and 3 months

[ashen spindle]

oh, first google result lied to me then

ok yeah that sounds broken

[astral haven]

You are forcibly ejected after 30 years lol

The pentalty for withdrawing before 10 years is 3 months of interest

Between 10 and 30 you can pull out whenever

[fickle ore]

Well, at current rate is just barely staying afloat, but still better than most stocks

[astral haven]

Yup

Lowest interest rate in the last 30cyears was about 7%

Apy

[fickle ore]

I wud have bought but no US citizen

[astral haven]

Get rekt

[fickle ore]

So instead I chose stocks that paid 10% dividends this year

;p

comes to around 7%

with taxes

[astral haven]

Nice

[fickle ore]

bought at 4,5€. pays a 10% dividend.

[astral haven]

The reason to buy the I bonds this year is the interest rate is currently 8.5 (for a year) and 9.8 for 6 months

[fickle ore]

Yeah, it'll go lower when the interest rate goes lower iirc

[astral haven]

Yup

But interest rate isn't low

[fickle ore]

Ya

[astral haven]

And savings accounts don't change with inflation

[fickle ore]

Eu is something like 6% inflation atm iirc, havent kept up

but no eu country obligations are worth, iirc Finland's obligations are like 0-1%

[astral haven]

That's worse than my savings account lmao

FDIC insured and all

[fickle ore]

Ye ;P

But EU mortgages have been 0% for a long time

[astral haven]

That's nice

[fickle ore]

Yeah if u get lucky. Other side is a massive bubble. This year will be interesting

[true quest]

gamers gib your source of podcasts

[pale sigil]

tech talk be active tonight lol

[sudden glacier]

stay hydrated

[young pecan]

A 7 way argument on the ethics of Apple will do that.

[astral haven]

Only 7? It felt like more lol

[young pecan]

I remember there being about 7, idk.

[wheat plume]

How much roughly is a USB C dock with 3 USB 3 ports and gigabit ethernet?

[astral haven]

Aren't they all around $25?

[wheat plume]

The ones I see in stores are about 80-120 euro

they have a lot of ports on them

[astral haven]

Yeowch

Check for the less popular models or the nearby retail stores

[wheat plume]

they were from brands like Belkin and some names ive not seen before

[astral haven]

Names not seen before usually are affordable

[astral haven]

Dang
Those be scalper prices

[wheat plume]

USB C to HDMI cable is anywhere between €20-40 ://

[astral haven]

Yeowch

This was a sale tbf but dual USB 3, eth, HDMI, minidp

[wheat plume]

Looks really compact too

[astral haven]

Yup

[cursive summit]

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/334224-rumor-intel-arc-desktop-gpus-possibly-delayed-to-q3

DoA

Unless these are extremely affordable

Only low end might be relevant

High end I don't see too many uses if it comes at same time as next gen

[crimson wigeon]

Forever delayed

[halcyon moss]

@wheat plume most usbc docks suuuuuck

and price or brand doesnt say anything about how good it is

[wheat plume]

Can groove music on windows 10 play .flac?

[wheat plume]

I'm just asking because windows media player keeps asking me to buy codecs from the Microsoft store if I try to play .mkv videos on it

So I just swapped to mpv player

And if .mkv are as common in video as .flac is for music

Then groove music may not play them like the video player can't

[latent mural]

the what?
to buy?????

[wheat plume]

Yep
Everytime I tried to play a .mkv video on the windows 10 default app
It would not work and send me to the store app to buy codecs

They work in media player on 11 just fine

Which is the new version of groove music that plays videos now instead of just music

[latent mural]

[wheat plume]

I've swapped to mpv though :")

[wheat plume]

yes <3

best player

[pale sigil]

Windows media player....

I forgot that existed ngl

Or well in current windows past w7

[pale sigil]

I still use vlc ngl

[young pecan]

https://youtu.be/DY1dlVPzUVo

Jesus fuck this is why not Dell.

[reef patrol]

[young pecan]

A 5 grand USD disaster of a product.

12900KF and a 3090 in a choked off case, btw.

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

[crimson wigeon]

The Dell Experience(tm)

But hey it ~looks cool~

[young pecan]

I honestly don’t get it.

Dell can make a damn good laptop, they can. Good design and cooling.

But they insist on using cases from the fuckin’ late 80s and early 90s to built systems using 800W peak power draw?

Which assmonkey is running their R&D division that keeps coming up with this shit? Lmfao

[astral haven]

Rnd?
What rnd

[shadow minnow]

Regret and dissolution

Or well in Dell

[young pecan]

[wheat plume]

it really doesnt

[shadow minnow]

Objection - subjective matter

[crimson wigeon]

It looks very alien! Gamers love it!

[shadow minnow]

Aliens love it as well

[young pecan]

I think the saddest part about this is that it provides a weirdly clear view into the ivory tower.

What kind of jackass that hasn't seen a normal life in 38 years does one have to be for this to continue happening?

[shadow minnow]

So much effort to make a custom pcb

All wasted

[young pecan]

Plus the mechanical engineering you have to be bothered with to keep updating this same piece of garbage.

Just make one new and well crafted case core.

Then this problem will only show it's face in 2 decades.

[wheat plume]

LOL

[shadow minnow]

It’s sad because some of the engineering really looks quite cool

Just wasted

[young pecan]

Shit guys.

Dark PCB.

Can't talk shit about Dell anymore, they're really pioneering some great technology.

[wheat plume]

And they put bargin bin looking ram in it....

[young pecan]

The RAM is what you're looking at?

Bruh, Lana.

Look just off to the right.

[crimson wigeon]

Where's all the RGB

[young pecan]

Why tf are there SATA cables there?

[wheat plume]

what?

thjis is the alienware computer

[young pecan]

It's a SATA power connector, my dude.

Conventional wisdom is 'hide it behind the casing'.

[old marlin]

The drives are in the top right of the case

You can see a blue clip from one of the drivebays even

The tiny af vrms are more worrying

[ashen spindle]

sure at that price the ram could color match

but thats the last point id care about lmao

[thick elk]

For starters, the case they are using is completely inappropriate for the hardware used.

[young pecan]

Wym? The 12900KS has a 120 AIO.

[thick elk]

That could actually work, just have to put a server fan on there

[young pecan]

Lmfao

Boot your nice new PC for some open back gaming.

vrrrrRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[old marlin]

They could have put a much larger aio in the front

The chassis is still shit

Not adequate for the price

[crimson wigeon]

Whaddya mean

If it runs hot that means it's FAST because it's on fire, right?

[thick elk]

I feel like the problem with dell here is as follows:
They want to build systems that A don't have to be opened up by the user and B survive shipping.
They design some overengineered system to fit in here.
Hardware gets more power hungry but the team does not have a budget to overengineer a new case.
Thus they try to cram it all in which doesn't work.

[crimson wigeon]

Especially when they definitely want to have proprietary design, because who needs standards

[thick elk]

It's an internal standard for dell, and actually makes some sense, the motherboard at least.
I mean it's no different than on laptops.

Either way the end result is unacceptable and reasoning is not going to change that.

[reef patrol]

C have no upgrade path, so they can sell you a new PC again.

[thick elk]

I personally don't think this factors in much for the target audience.
Granted at some point I had an acer pc and ended up swapping the case but I don't think it's a major factor either way

I don't see upgrading the motherboard without replacing the case would be a big thing here. Same the other way around.

[reef patrol]

The target audience being... consumers.

Can't even swap to a more modern GPU due to the proprietary motherboard/PSU combo.

[thick elk]

Sure, to some extend but generally the people buying oem pc's are also not the people comfortable upgrading on their own.
It certainly does happen when people start transitioning away from there but it's not the most common thing.

Strictly speaking yes it is a negative that they are not upgradable but I don't think it's too bad.

That being said, I would in those cases at least like to see some tangable benefit of their layout

For example a form-factor that would otherwise not work

[reef patrol]

That's great and all. Now what about when your PC needs service 4 years from now? Dell aren't going to help you. A local PC shop cannot help you.

[thick elk]

In most cases, at that point the local pc shop could very well either make a quick fix which works in most cases or tell you it's no longer worth it.
Maybe with a more upgradable system sure, some more can be done but again it's not that big a use case.
Gpu's can still be replaced just not replaced with something higher power, cpu can still be replaced, ram can still be replaced.

[reef patrol]

I completely disagree based on the literal hundreds of people whose porebuilts I've had to tear down and convert into shelf parts.

[young pecan]

This.

Scavenged components from old PCs can be used to make absolutely killer little systems.

But with the ewaste Dell puts out that just isn't viable.

I mean shit, my first ‘real’ dedi server was an old 4790k and a random Asus mobo.

[reef patrol]

Genuinely about half of my PC upgrades for customers were from some kind of prebuilt where we had to replace functional parts just to be able to upgrade anything.

Proprietary motherboard/case form factors being the most common issue
Followed by weird PSU connectors on proprietary PSU form factors (sometimes an adaptor cable could solve it but definitely not always)
BIOS on motherboard locked to specific GPU models - So you couldn't swap a 1050TI to a 1060. Just wouldn't POST.

[old marlin]

If they buy a 12900k and a 3090 now they probably expect that to last quite a while

If their mobo dies in 5 years they have to buy a new mobo case and psu

[young pecan]

Then Dell says fuck you for asking we’re gonna give you crappy VRMs on a hyper proprietary mobo.

[old marlin]

While the cpu and gpu are prob still more than fast enough for new titles at that point

Yea basically

If you can go to a pc shop and just get the mobo replaced it would be an easy fix

But instead you gotta pay out of your ass for mobos intel made for like 3 years

[reef patrol]

We just need DELL to go full evil and use that laptop form factor they just showed off - on desktop PCs xD

[old marlin]

With the by then less popular ram choice

Etc

Lol

[young pecan]

Don't get me started on RAM choices.

[old marlin]

Lol

Well ddr5 is bound to be more popular for new systems than ddr4 by then

[young pecan]

Eh, DDR5 can go eat a cock for a while.

[old marlin]

But you can probably also assume that ddr4 stock will be sold more cause cheaper

[young pecan]

Not worth the cash.

[old marlin]

Yea for a while

I think the 5 years account to that

Atm still pretty useless for 99+%

[young pecan]

I mean if video editing then it's useful.

But you'd need to be in a very specific business to need the extra few percent it'll give you over just buying more CPU/GPU grunt.

[old marlin]

yea

basically

[astral haven]

But if you already have a 3090 or ti and a 12900k?

Might as well

Tbh ddr5 12700k is better than ddr4 12900k imo

Same price, same perf, but keep the ram next upgrade

Ofc all this is meaningless if you already have the ddr4 like me

[ashen spindle]

it's expected that ddr5 sales already overtake ddr4 in 2023 btw

[pale sigil]

What happened to the whole you need a Ms account now with pro too

I wasn't forced into using an ms account

[ashen spindle]

what

you never needed an account

there is talk to maybe need it in the future

[pale sigil]

https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/18/22940517/windows-11-pro-require-microsoft-account-internet-connection#:~:text=The new requirement means fresh,create a local one afterwards.

Ah prob not implemented yet like you said

Lol I've been using the same pro key from uni windows 8 up until 11 Pro

Pretty nice

[empty wren]

Makes sense for pro

Cuz school

Thingo

And enterprise

[young pecan]

You've been using a key?

https://tenor.com/view/auto-pirate-gif-19353808

[wheat plume]

2020 AMD

[empty wren]

Almost done

[true quest]

you still on that lol

you get the frame aligned

[empty wren]

Yes

I got mine framed aligned as I got my dad to help a bit

Now I ||fucked up|| with putting in the second bearing before the mini y belt on the motor to the shaft that attaches to two y belts.

[crisp granite]

uh huh, that makes sense

silicon designs are usually finalised a while before whatever product they'll be packaged into

since...well, you ain't getting sellable chips off the line for the better part of a year from design finalised

[empty wren]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Pixel-Watch-Google-s-first-smartwatch-appears-in-the-flesh.615316.0.html

Very thick

[pale sigil]

Free from uni

[pale sigil]

Round too -_-

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/epico-cat-epico-cat-epic-cat-meme-epic-cat-epico-meme-gif-20299736

[pale sigil]

I had like 5 w8 keys, bunch of 7 and 10s too

Have a 5 page doc with just ms keys from dreamspark

[empty wren]

What is the issue with it being round, do you play games on watches?

[pale sigil]

No I just prefer my digital watches like apple or the first gen type ones

Forgot the name

[empty wren]

I see

[pale sigil]

The watches that were somewhat "smart"

[empty wren]

Fitbit?

[pale sigil]

No

Sec

Pebble

[empty wren]

Oh

[pale sigil]

Who tbf were bought by fitbit

Damn son they got it cheap

[young pecan]

I know like 8 people who were.

My opinion at the time was "Why buy this, a better product will be released within the year"

Lo and behold, Apple watch.

._.

[pale sigil]

Pebble was dirt cheap tho

[pale sigil]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/viture/viture-game-and-stream-anywhere-anytime/description

Cool idea... But yanno ks

[old marlin]

multiplayer

how tf do you do multiplayer

if only one person can actually see the screen

[young pecan]

Jesus fuck this is absolutely a kicksharter.

[pale sigil]

Lool

[old marlin]

I am like 99% sure they have none of the rights to use most of the stuff they have on there

[pale sigil]

It's just using public apps

[old marlin]

like this totally unasked for and unrelated hzd image

[young pecan]

"Ah yes, we only need 27k AUD to revolutionize VR entirely in a way that Vive and Valve haven't been able to do"

[old marlin]

I mean they are doing something else

nothing new

[pale sigil]

It is something else, just on a consumer level

[young pecan]

And like...

1080p at that distance? Are you fucking delusional?

[wanton grail]

My desk isn’t flat. I need something flat to put under a desk mat anyone got ideas?

[pale sigil]

Looks cool as a first gen product

[old marlin]

it is not a first gen product

[young pecan]

But yeah nah, this is 10000% a kicksharter.

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/flat-gang-baby-flat-gang-all-the-way-andrew-callaghan-all-gas-no-brakes-flat-earthers-gif-16817011

[pale sigil]

First gen consumer?

[old marlin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasstron

nope

[pale sigil]

Good things come out of ks :p oculus, pebble and wooting xD

[old marlin]

could do limited vr

[young pecan]

Fuck yeah, Sony Glasstron, the most hilariously 90s name in the world.

[pale sigil]

I meant first gen from them

[old marlin]

otherwise basically did what the virture is supposed to do

well for them

but that is like saying I am doing a first gen product

when I open a bakery

[young pecan]

Fuck off, this is all the hallmarks of a kicksharter.

[pale sigil]

So is ya mam

[young pecan]

[pale sigil]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wooting/the-analog-mechanical-keyboard-for-precise-movemen

[old marlin]

hey they claim to have finished their EVT

and to be in the first DVT phase

[pale sigil]

Did ya know the wooting one originally didn't have full rgb?

[old marlin]

so they probably got some reviewers with functional prototypes, right?

[pale sigil]

Only zones

[old marlin]

or well

[pale sigil]

[old marlin]

EVT samples

[young pecan]

M8 their videos on the page have functional prototypes.

But funny enough no video of the inside I can see.

[pale sigil]

There's video of the inside It you mean glasses

On YouTube anyway

[young pecan]

Link.

[pale sigil]

The odd clips

Not enough to be convinced

[old marlin]

fuck I just realized what those weird custom apple emoji thingies remind me of

mass effect andromeda

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/kots-straal-spugen-vomit-puke-gif-14891152

[pale sigil]

https://youtu.be/MsKn7Y7_aMI

6:45 I think?

[old marlin]

wtf does "actually get" mean

that already sounds like a huge scam

[pale sigil]

Haha it prob is

[young pecan]

THAT ISN'T EVEN THE SAME PRODUCT.

[pale sigil]

Just saying the idea itself is great

[young pecan]

-_-

[pale sigil]

Oh it isn't

Lool

[young pecan]

Lmfao

[pale sigil]

Anyway

Similar way I guess

[old marlin]

no

not even that

[pale sigil]

Hey I got woken up by my doggo

[old marlin]

the virture is just a fancy screen

[pale sigil]

Tired af

[old marlin]

no AR thingies goin on

"XR"

whatever that means

[young pecan]

This.

[old marlin]

they don't extend reality

just bs marketing

[young pecan]

It's got kicksharter all over it.

[pale sigil]

Anyway most deffo a scam

But

The idea is great

[young pecan]

Kickshat the bed.

[old marlin]

VITURE believes that XR (extended reality) is the next wave of immersive mobile technology.

[pale sigil]

And I want it to be real

[old marlin]

from their site btw

[pale sigil]

Not these

Just the idea

XD

[young pecan]

Computing btw.

[old marlin]

I have seen the future and the future is tv fucking glasses would be the only thing missing from the site

[young pecan]

[pale sigil]

It's just an android stick cd

XD

Oh

You wanna know something even funnier actually j noticed

[old marlin]

they gibe no battery live for the glasses?

even though they and the speaker thing are sold separatley

[young pecan]

Of fucking course not.

Omg dude.

It's a kicksharter.

[pale sigil]

Pretty sure this is um

Fan pic

Of the cyberpunk

[old marlin]

lol

[young pecan]

Battery life.

2 whole hours of gaming.

[old marlin]

all they gotta say about the audio btw

[young pecan]

Pog.

[pale sigil]

XD

[old marlin]

wait

43 degrees FOV

isn't that kinda small

[young pecan]

Make me puke my guts out small, yeah.

Human vision is a LOOOOOOOOOOOT wider than that.

[old marlin]

well yea obv

not expecting them to make a 180 degree fov

[pale sigil]

2gb ram

[old marlin]

just so you can't actually see shit on the borders

[pale sigil]

Android

Don't mix

[young pecan]

Yeah probably better if they don't try releasing this.

[old marlin]

wait

[pale sigil]

I mean others bought it

[old marlin]

does the neckband actually produce sound

[pale sigil]

No

It's just an android stick

[young pecan]

People spent money on the Waterseer, that argument is irrelevant.

[pale sigil]

With cloud streaming apps

[old marlin]

why do they compare it to neck sound thingies then

for weight

just as a reference?

[young pecan]

If it goes around the neck it's the same tech.

• devs, probably

[old marlin]

you can see the ear getting moved out of the way btw

that is how you know it is comfortable for 2 hours

[pale sigil]

I've only ever backed 3 things lol

[young pecan]

Wait...

Why didn't they put the charge port in the back...?

[old marlin]

yes

not a charge port?

[pale sigil]

Wooting, identity and video game highschool xD

[old marlin]

from how they put it the glasses can't do anything standalone?

[young pecan]

Basically.

it's glasses with small screens on the inside.

[old marlin]

but you can purchase them alone

[pale sigil]

The glasses? Ye

$399 ks $549 final

[old marlin]

I hope TV companies will start selling me their panels standalone as well

so I can pay a lot for a something entirely useless on it's own

[pale sigil]

Lol

[old marlin]

yea I need privacy for uhhhh

watching queens gambit

[pale sigil]

Lol

So ye it's literally a static screen

As you can adjust it to be top left, top right and center etc

:( it sadly reminded me how much I wanna play the spiderman game

I have it on my ps4 but 30fps :(

It's such a shame it'll prob never be on pc

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-next-gen-am5-x670-b650-motherboards-to-only-support-ddr5-memory

Sad, expensive

[ashen spindle]

that's been kinda obvious for maybe a year now

also prices are coming down

looking at prices before the cpus are out doesnt really tell you how much it costs in 6 months

[old marlin]

why should they segregate their market

for something that quickly becomes irrelevant

for a plattform they don't intend on ditching 2 years down the road

[cursive summit]

Are prices coming down cause the supply increasingly higher than demand, or cause there is no demand?

Afaik DDR5 so far has been negatively received

Assuming AM5 creates a lot of new demand, will the supply hold up

[ashen spindle]

because it's been the same cycle for now 5 generations of ddr ram?

prices go down over time because it gets cheaper to make it

next year there will be more ddr5 shipped than ddr4 already

[halcyon moss]

early adopter tax

has been a thing before most of us were alive

[ashen spindle]

that, but that phase is also almost already over

servers have it, laptops have it, alder lake desktop has it and all of htem for over half a year already

[halcyon moss]

yeah i was referring was vexx was saying

[ashen spindle]

yeye

[halcyon moss]

mygosh, its only gamer memory these days

more useless rgb in my closed case

[cursive summit]

I mean

I'm not sure if back then they had covids, billions of dollars worth of memory fab damages, etc

It's a sad time

[ashen spindle]

or you could just look at ddr5 prices from release till now

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/lwT8MiMVD5E

This really is not unexpected....

:')

[sudden glacier]

[wheat plume]

i WANT YUOR

felix

status.... damn it

https://youtu.be/OTI2uSB2Z8o

I miss the Unity desktop <3

and this purple theme is gorgeous 😍

I love the top panel and app menu

the HUD and global menu <3 best implementation

😍

blurrrrr

[wheat plume]

ElementaryOS is in trouble ;-;

The two founders are arguing and things are going badly

I wish the Pantheon desktop worked well on other distros

its one of my fav desktops

but I cant use eOS cause their release cycle is like once every 2 years

[pale sigil]

:crabrhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61222470

Welp

[crimson wigeon]

LITERALLY SHAKING

[ashen spindle]

well was a good run

gg go next platform

[timid chasm]

Was it though? Was twitter a good run?

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-8ball-fortune-gif-23103726

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-it-was-okay-whatever-its-fine-thor-gif-14604941

[timid chasm]

Seemed like a shitfest anytime I saw stuff from it like all the others

entertaining but still a shitfest

[pale sigil]

https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1518678899189760004?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Larry the Cat (@Number10cat)

Not sure what Elon Musk has spent $44bn on; I’ve owned Twitter since the day I joined.

Likes

1052

Retweets

105

Twitter · Apr 25, 2022, 7:50 PM

[young pecan]

I don't see Twitter getting much worse tbh.

It's already a shit tier platform.

[ashen spindle]

yes but you can use it usefully if you ignore random idiots and follow only what you care about

[young pecan]

Sure but why use Twitter when there are just better options?

[ashen spindle]

like what

[pale sigil]

like what

[final flame]

only reason why I use Twitter is for art

[pale sigil]

i just use it for support or to complain about d2

[young pecan]

For me specifically I haven't located anything I can't find elsewhere, be it games, artists, etc.

Depends on the media I'm using where I find it.

[final flame]

pixiv and twitter both have great art

[young pecan]

But Twitter has always been a case of 'here's a short blurb that contains 20% of the information'.

[ashen spindle]

what other one media has art/game/esport stuff plus some random other stuff I care about

I dont use it to read up info on ukrainw vs russia

[young pecan]

Oh no one media does, but I'm honestly ok using like 4 sites in exchange for avoiding eye cancer.

[ashen spindle]

idk just dont follow dumb people and you dont see eye cancer from them

pretty simple concept

[final flame]

^

[young pecan]

In which case the few people I do follow will have their own sites.

[final flame]

its like saying all of reddit is bad but you go to the worst subreddits

[young pecan]

And in reddit I'm not hard limited to a shitty UX and feed style that rewards quick information blurbs.

I'd rather use a better forum system to get, y'know, a longer analysis of what I'm checking.

[ashen spindle]

but thats like complaining you dont see research papers in an irc channel

[young pecan]

Yes so I don't use IRC for research papers, I use Google Scholar.

The complaint here is that Twitter doesn't do stuff better than anyone else, hence why would I use them?

[ashen spindle]

yes so using twitter that way means you also dont really use it for the right cases

[young pecan]

I mean if you wanna talk about twitlonger being a thing then sure ok.

But twitter being twitter? Fuck no.

Discord, IRC, relays, forums, chat boards, etc.

All of that gives me better information density than twitter does.

The native functionality is kinda eh at best, why bother sorting through 70 tweets when a single reddit megathread exists?

[ashen spindle]

because if you look for topics that takes 70 tweets I'd argue youre using it for the wrong things already lol

[thick elk]

Reason I don't use twitter, I just can't get myself to really comment without going wall of text mode.
Besides that, login prompt when ever I look at twitter for a bit already turned me away.

[young pecan]

Exactly, the basic usecase is already just not useful comparatively.

I get more value for my time using nearly any other platform that isn't fucking tumblr.

[ashen spindle]

there is a difference between it not fitting what you want and it not fitting anything in general

[thick elk]

Twitter does work well for announcements and status updates.

[young pecan]

This and this alone.

Yet I'd still rather use a forum with notification opt in.

Because that's both automated and is usually going to be designed around the media in question.

[thick elk]

I mostly rely on RSS feeds of things I follow

In my opion a heavily underused tech right now

[young pecan]

Or RSS, yeah. Those are powerful as fuck.

[ashen spindle]

yeah twitter is basically and extended rss feed for me and not more

[young pecan]

Twitter < RSS

Really.

[ashen spindle]

news/infos with links to video/article etc, esport news and I can talk to a handful of people I want to talk to

[thick elk]

Interactivity is one benefit of twitter yes, just never found the place for it.

[young pecan]

I think that's because the UX isn't all that good.

Fine for browsing announcements, not so awesome for interacting with them.

Workable but not outstanding.

[thick elk]

For me it's just the login wall, sure there are addons around it but it still a barrier for me.

[young pecan]

Agreed. The login wall can go eat a chode.

[ashen spindle]

I have tweetdeck anyway to see some more stuff at once and that autologs me in

so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thick elk]

But those are things you start user after finding a place for the platform.
I am not at that point right now.

[ashen spindle]

im not saying its perfect just it's very handy if you use it in a way that works

[thick elk]

If I use it I'll probably try to get rss feeds out of it.

That way I can have it all in one place

[young pecan]

Yes so we can agree that Elon buying it likely isn't going to make it much worse since it's already eh. :p

Workable, but eh.

[ashen spindle]

not really because I dont like most things he touched

not a great track record in my eyes

[young pecan]

Agreed, yet Twitter is already on their own shit record. Funny that.

[ashen spindle]

paypal is trash, tesla is great if you had shares or dont care about QC/customer service/repairs etc.

[thick elk]

To be fair to paypal, it was one of the least bad options when he was still part owner.

Oh just looked up the timeline, well paypal being trash has nothing to do with him anymore.

[wheat plume]

oo hek :OOO

Compiz revived on wayland!!!!

[crimson wigeon]

Wayfire already exists tho, but sure why not

[wheat plume]

Wayfire... Got to check that out

[thick elk]

The wayland transition is indeed quite problematic. Granted most of my recent experience on wayland is from Plasma

[wheat plume]

It seems Gnome on Wayland is pretty solid

As long as you dont need tyo share screens on meeting apps

[thick elk]

Please keep in mind I use 4 monitors and use nvidia on my desktop

at home

[wheat plume]

oh....Plasma + Wayland + Nvidia = Hell no

[thick elk]

at work I use an amd gpu + amd igp at the same time

and 5 monitors

[wheat plume]

Even Plasma on X11 with Nvidia is a bitch to manage

I kept getting stuttering in games

and I tried the kwin fork that tries to optimise it for gaming and that made input delay

ironic

gaming fork adds input delay

[thick elk]

What fork are you using?

[wheat plume]

"kwin-lowlatency" is the package name I think

yeah, there is it

Hmm, seems to be updates frequently but not often on time

[thick elk]

It's no longer maintained and probably some hack job so yea

[ashen spindle]

are you playing in window mode or how trash is that to add input delay

[wheat plume]

this was maybe 2 years ago

when I last used Plasma on my desktop

[thick elk]

Windowed mode actually does not matter that much on linux

[wheat plume]

When I get an AMD GPU, I will swap to Plasma

Cause I prefer it to Gnome on a desktop

Gnome is better on laptop though

[ashen spindle]

what does linux do then that it manages to add input delay when games are fullscreen

[wheat plume]

no no

the kwin fork added it

not the OS

cause its some fork a random person made

and probably pretty meh

[ashen spindle]

yes obviously I am aware linux in general does not cause extra delay...

[wheat plume]

I never said that Linux itself cause the delay

[pale sigil]

Linux delays a happy healthly life

[wheat plume]

LOL

I never had that anyway

so no lose for me

[thick elk]

Seems about right, same here.

[wheat plume]

Im depressed, very not healthy and dead inside

[pale sigil]

Prob cos you use Linux

[wheat plume]

nah xd

[thick elk]

I would call myself neither happy nor unhappy, just opinionated on the matter, mostly.

[pale sigil]

thats called being numb

[wheat plume]

thats mostly me
Im either numb AF or depressed

[thick elk]

Or autisticly unaware of my own emotions.

Maybe it is, I just never felt like I was suffering from it, it's just who I am.

[young pecan]

Honestly yeah.

Harassing Linux to do what you want and not what you tell it to is the bane of my existence.

[pale sigil]

Linux Server makes life great tho

[young pecan]

When it wants to work, yee.

[toxic moth]

reddit does still reward quick information blurbs even if it doesn't do it as much as twitter

quick and digestible content will almost always get more upvotes, especially on the major subs

[young pecan]

Oh it absolutely does, but it's also not outright hostile to large posts.

r/cryptocurrency is a good example of shit that just doesn't work on twitter. Often you'll have people throwing out like 800 to 4000 word essays about market analysis or technology analysis.

And honestly I don't class twitlonger as twitter, it's an external tool made to reverse the hostility.

Twitter is great for the 'unga bunga give me lambo' tweets.

[true quest]

now for the important matters

will nsfw remain on twatter

[crimson wigeon]

Probably, don't think there's a desire to repeat the mistake tumblr made

[young pecan]

This.

Trying to remove porn from twitter is a futile effort and brings a LOT of business there.

I see very, very little reason for Elon to attempt it.

[reef patrol]

I also see him on the opposite end of that spectrum in the first place xD

He's full on horny on main.

[young pecan]

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/NvXsFNpRrtQ

hmmm

Material You inspired features for desktop apps...Interesting

new Global Theme Apply button

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/skatterbencher/status/1518934103759884289

SkatterBencher (@skatterbencher)

DDR5-10000 😲 https://t.co/uyDNaOXRwO

Twitter · Apr 26, 2022, 12:44 PM

turns out intel was right with the 10ghz all along

just on a different hardware part

[pale sigil]

guess ill suffer

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume

[ashen spindle]

I knew it, liunx sux

[pale sigil]

it went so well at first

[ashen spindle]

nah im certain there is an easy fix

just find the right stackoverflow answer for the right distro and the right version and the right hardware combo to know what to do

[young pecan]

[young pecan]

Dw, just try Arch, Pop, Debian, Ubuntu, Ubuntu again, Cent, Fedora, and finally settle on Windows.

[ashen spindle]

And then turn to macOS and struggle while stuck in the ecosystem when you want out

[young pecan]

Lmfao

Then after that rant about how big company OSes are shit aids, then go back to Arch again because Lana tells you it's great.

It's such a brutal cycle.

[pale sigil]

TIL discord linux does not have activity status

bleh halo runs shit

Man nvidia is so shit on linux

oh nvm

nvm again

vsync caused a lot of issues

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-trash-linuxbad-gif-18671901

me changing icons

[pale sigil]

[final flame]

damn that actually looks good

maybe I'll dual boot that theme someday

[young pecan]

Looks very nice!

Too bad like 40% of my tools don't work on Linux and I have little to no desire to use kali for replacements.

[pale sigil]

Im using 8gb

lol

[final flame]

love that semi transparent terminal

[true quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNKPbe_gacg

[true quest]

lmao

[reef patrol]

[chrome estuary]

Man that's rude. I don't like the French but I recognize their frog speak as a language at least

[ashen spindle]

wait so you downloaded linux to make it look like win11 with the centered icons? lmao

also the windows terminal can also be made to be transparent just fyi

[old marlin]

It can also run mc in windowed mode

[ashen spindle]

it has one advantage over windows though

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/04/microsoft-finds-linux-desktop-flaw-that-gives-root-to-untrusted-users/

MS would never find issue in win11

[cursive summit]

Well for whatever reason, iirc Microsoft is one of the Linux foundation's biggest sponsors/donors

Which is questionable, since they are both competing in the same sphere, and one is non-profit other is for-profit

[ashen spindle]

well for one because ms use linux heavily

WSl and such

and windows is no longer even close to MS' main income source

office, azure etc. is far ahead

[formal vortex]

wtf is this reporting. looking up the cve and i cant find what versions are vulnerable even looking at the first 5 links

everyone just copying the same shit

[ashen spindle]

I mean

it says so in the article

"The vulnerability has been patched in the networkd-dispatcher, although it wasn’t immediately clear when or in what version, and attempts to reach the developer weren’t immediately successful."

[formal vortex]

why even go live with it then. just give us a chance to patch

[ashen spindle]

idk, if its patched but not further disclosed I think its well fair to write about it so people know

[wheat plume]

And blur background in the terminal

[ashen spindle]

well, yeah, obviously

fully transparent windows would make little sense anywhere

[misty saffron]

what’s an overlay

[wheat plume]

A lot of Linux desktops can do transparency but not blur ... Like gnome or cinnamon

[ashen spindle]

you can write your own shader to make the terminal look however you want it

in windows

[wheat plume]

A UI that can appear over a Fullscreen application usually

[misty saffron]

yes i was referring to this

[ashen spindle]

hence I did not say it makes no sense

but I wager you'd normally not want your console to be just an overlay

what you really want in a terminal background is clearly a procedurally generated world like this https://fxtwitter.com/iquilezles/status/1369777008339611652

[misty saffron]

https://manuals.info.apple.com/MANUALS/2000/MA2068/en_US/iphone-12-mini-07300290A-repair.pdf

surprisingly a good manual

https://www.selfservicerepair.com/order

tools rental is overpriced though imo

[umbral knot]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/04/pixel-watch-prototype-is-left-at-a-bar-gets-photographed/ lol

[empty wren]

Happened once happened twice

I think there is a chance this was done on purpose

[umbral knot]

a certain person also left a specific 60% keyboard on a train ;)

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-de-niro-actor-touche-pointing-gif-17784886

[misty saffron]

holy fucking bezels

yeah no thanks

[pale sigil]

V1 google products are always bulky

But ill just say it

Apple Watch is the only good one out there imo

Just a shame Apple fuck over android users

[ashen spindle]

how tf are they dropping the price when people who ordered day1 still didnt get it lmfao

[ashen spindle]

@fickle ore still not available in your region?

[pale sigil]

go arch they say

[astral haven]

Who is they

Whoever they is I would recommend not listening to them

[sudden glacier]

stay on windows and sip copium with us

takes less effort

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/alonzo-lerone-this-close-angry-gif-9202461

[crisp granite]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Literally this

[pale sigil]

Everything is so snappier on Linux

but ironically im using 8gb ram atm

[crisp granite]

join us

[crisp granite]

bro ur engrish mucho goüt, what u stõdï?

[young pecan]

Give windows a lobotomy for the same treatment.

[pale sigil]

on windows again

till i can figure out the issues

[fickle ore]

Weird, migght get it for that price, but iirc it had bad latency on HUB review. I need to check that today after work

Btw, kinda interesting, they're lisencing their network library for Unity: https://visionaryrealms.com/vinl/

[pale sigil]

Me mam still uses an ipad from 8 years ago

Runs OK but it absolutely shits itself for teams and outlook in general

[halcyon moss]

my inlaws were still using the first ipad air.

we as the kids gave them a new ipad

[wheat plume]

Its just stuck here.... is that normal?

[earnest jay]

How long has it been there?

[wheat plume]

4 minutes

but its gotten up to the word "drive" now

so its moving again

[earnest jay]

Yeah, pretty normal if you've had a whole lot of updates in between cleanups.

[wheat plume]

2.3gb...

[earnest jay]

That's reasonably small, actually.

[wheat plume]

Yeah...as soon as I did the update to 11, I tried it for a few days and when there were no issues, I removed the update backup

that shit was like 17GB

[ashen spindle]

you know you could also just delete files you dont need and dont need to use that tool

[wheat plume]

hmm, DirectX, maybe keep this

[ashen spindle]

sure you might miss a few kb of unneeded files but if thats an amount you care about something else is wrong

just use treeview or something and delete big folders you dont need anymore

or if you prefer the linux way do it via cmd

[earnest jay]

Or just be lazy and use a tool like disk cleanup.

[ashen spindle]

sure but that also misses stuff or cant delete stuff you put on there and forgot etc.

[earnest jay]

True.

[ashen spindle]

it's more of a quick way for tech illiterate people

works fine for the most part but if you want to clean up space manually is faster and does more imo

[misty saffron]

try using windirtree instead of relying on 20 year old microshit code

windirstat

sorry

has a tree as icon lol

[ashen spindle]

treesize or smth is also a tool that does similar things

so ez to misremember lmao

[wheat plume]

🤔

9 euro for TWS earbuds....

[cursive summit]

Moondrops don't come that cheap

Also the only correct option for TWS is Melomania

[wheat plume]

Moondrops Chu apparently are the best sounding earbuds for under 100 euro

[cursive summit]

Fuck anything else, Apple or Sony

Melomania is ~100 euro and are the best

They punch into the 300 euro category with their sound

How do I know? I own them

And the sound quality of those things compared to my desktop headphone rig isn't massive

[old marlin]

It is a case

If you want moondrop tws get nekocakes

Or if you want cheap get the chu

[cursive summit]

KZ

[old marlin]

No

Ass tuning

[cursive summit]

Yeah that's about all the IEMs I know

KZs and Moondrops

[old marlin]

[cursive summit]

Wired in ears suck alright?

[old marlin]

Get chus for cheap

Or arias if you want a removable cable

[cursive summit]

I do like the Arya ngl

[old marlin]

Shit build quality

[cursive summit]

Well yeah

But sound? Good af

[old marlin]

Tried my brothers

[cursive summit]

Although I heard of trash build quality only in Sundaras

[old marlin]

Definitely prefer my ESP95X

[cursive summit]

Anandas and higher, haven't heard so many

[old marlin]

My brother has anandas

It ain't great

[cursive summit]

Rn the HiFiman Edition XS is kinda making waves

[old marlin]

Build quality wise

[cursive summit]

Kind of like a different Ananda for cheaper

Build quality was always Hifimans undoing

But you do get some good ass sound for cheap

[old marlin]

He400i build quality

So bad it hurts sound

Cause the grates ratlle

And the pads disintegrate

[cursive summit]

Those are like, really cheap though

[old marlin]

Still stupid

[cursive summit]

It's painful not knowing how ol' mate Sennies sound

Cause I hear good things about their headphones, but I can't just buy them since that's not what my finances allow

If they were good, I'd defo get them but yeah, no way to playtest em

[old marlin]

You can get hd600 stupid cheap used

In Germany

[cursive summit]

And Finland

Not Litauen

[astral haven]

Take of the protective cover
It really helps the sound alot