#🔌│tech
wheat plume
wheat plume
......EXCUSE ME WHAT??
shadow minnow
I am probably really blind but where do I see console output using visual studio?
chrome estuary
does anyone have any good hands on reviews on the steam deck?
i wanna see something that's not like... linus or those big name idiots personally
wheat plume
The Linux Experiement
Gardner Byrant
The Phawx
Gamer Nexus
Linux for Everyone
ashen spindle
no big names
lists big names sorta
misty saffron
linux for nobody please
wheat plume
yeah xd
misty saffron
speaking of linux
chrome estuary
i'm watching ETAPrime's emu video on it
misty saffron
i wonder if open source neckbeards have written a firewire driver for the mac mini
misty saffron
ok how do i get a gui on ubuntu server
wheat plume
install xorg, display server such as x11 or wayland and then a window manager
misty saffron
amazing thanks
wheat plume
or a desktop
chrome estuary
sudo apt install gnome might do it
misty saffron
i understood all of that
wheat plume
Yeah, Lumi's command might work
might idk if itll pull in xorg or not
if it does, great
ashen spindle
install ubuntu desktop on the server
misty saffron
n
chrome estuary
yeah that's gnome for you
wheat plume
and Xorg
chrome estuary
it's pulling in a full xorg server plus a full gnome install
misty saffron
it's fine it's got a 512gb ssd
chrome estuary
you could just get xorg and xfce if you want something smaller
solar hinge
y it get libreoffice??
because poor
misty saffron
it's linux it knows better
wheat plume
Maybe he installed the full app suite for gnome too
chrome estuary
and not just, "here's a desktop fuck off"
wheat plume
maybe "gnome" just gives you the entire app suite, but I didnt think office would be part of that
reef tundra
startx
wheat plume
wait this is WSL???
misty saffron
ssh from wsl
wheat plume
you are using WSL to remote into another machine?
misty saffron
yes
reef tundra
Using the x flag?
wheat plume
why not ssh directly? instead of adding WSL into the route?
misty saffron
because i did not think windows has an ssh utility
ashen spindle
use putty for ssh on windows
reef tundra
openssh
reef tundra
Its build in
misty saffron
oh
reef tundra
reef tundra
It was announced in 2015
reef tundra
Included since Windows 10 since version 1803.
wheat plume
SCP CONTAINMENT BREACH
wheat plume
I cant find a solid answer to determine if the Deck's triggers are analog or not
Some people say yes, I thought Valve at one point said no
idk for sure
He also says it has analog triggers in this video
so maybe at one point they decided to add them
crimson wigeon
crimson wigeon
But maybe they're no longer dual stage like the Steam Controller 😦
wheat plume
I want Valve to make headphones now
Everyone I saw review the Deck are impressed by how good the speakers sound
ashen spindle
audio design has about as much relevance to speakers as shader code to a monitor panel though?
wheat plume
Yeah, but even when reviewers are playing non Valve games on Deck, they are really surprised by the speaker quality
ashen spindle
yes I didnt say anything implying otherwise
wheat plume
hmm?
This seems super niche....
Isn't the only reason to buy a Mac to be able to use MacOS?
crimson wigeon
Perhaps, but apparently it is pretty good hardware... and some nerds like to reverse engineer and make things run Linux
ashen spindle
or for using it when apple deems it's EoL
wheat plume
Ahh
EOL fair enough
astral haven
buying a fashion product to use the included software is kinda dumb af
people buy for the image
shadow minnow
This seems super niche....
Isn't the only reason to buy a Mac to be able to use...
Was for a time mostly but not really anymore with apple silicone. Some people do use it for VM, with M1 laptops, considering M1 efficiency. I mean even Tony has an M1 laptop afaik.
shadow minnow
buying a fashion product to use the included software is kinda dumb af
Hmm
I mean to be fair. Many people buy apple stuff just because of brand. Possibly majority with many products. And that not great.
But there are for most products reasons people get them other than brand too
astral haven
but thats not what the products are for
shadow minnow
Wdym?
astral haven
name a single feature of a mac that takes away from apples brand image
shadow minnow
But it’s not their purpose
astral haven
because I can name several features that were removed to add to their brand image
like ports
shadow minnow
That doesn’t make it fashion product
astral haven
and intercompatibility
shadow minnow
I wouldn’t call it fashion product when it has other higher purpose.
If apple put like a13 instead of M1 into MacBook Air my mind would possibly change
astral haven
so there are many reasons to make design decisions for a product
shadow minnow
Sure I just wouldn’t say it’s a fashion product
ashen spindle
fashion product doesnt mean it can not do anything else, but as he said, they dont make anything that would hurt that part
shadow minnow
Though definitely huge part of it is sth to do with fashion
ashen spindle
so the main priority is fashion
astral haven
the reason with the most engineering time put into it is the main function of the product
the only thing that apple puts more effort into than fashion is irreparability and maximizing ewaste
astral haven
and those benefit fashion because it makes the product more exclusive
astral haven
85:15
shadow minnow
Apple still does a lot of development
astral haven
85% fashion 15% everything else
ashen spindle
Apple still does a lot of development
nobody said anything against that
ashen spindle
you're just once again rushing to defend apple on a point nobody even made
shadow minnow
Well sure but making it sound as if apple only focused on design and made it from some stuff.
Like when you have fashion brand earphones
shadow minnow
you're just once again rushing to defend apple on a point nobody even made <:dog...
I am not defending apple, just saying I think it’s not a fashion brand. Not saying if that’s good or not.
astral haven
you are right
apple is primarily a money company first and a fashion company second
ashen spindle
name a single feature of a mac that takes away from apples brand image
then go back and answer that question then
astral haven
and it has to be one that is possible to see on a product or spec sheet
shadow minnow
Don’t think it makes it be a fashion product. There is huge focus on fashion aspect but still huge on other stuff. Imo way different than when you have just fashion products, like the earphones Linux did review on from some expensive clothing brand I forgot the name of
ashen spindle
the point that was made is "apples first priority is fashion" and you argue "no, they do other things" which nobody said they didn't
astral haven
Don’t think it makes it be a fashion product. There is huge focus on fashion asp...
theres a difference between luxury fashion products and consumer fashion products
shadow minnow
people buy macs because of other people having macs
Hmm this is true for many people.
However thing is, especially now with M1, people also buy it because of tech stuff, not just fashion.
Though with iPhones it’s really likely majority of people buy iPhones just because of brand. But that’s… another complicated topic
astral haven
i do agree that apples primary focus is making money not being fashionable
but the primary focus of the product design is to be fashionable
astral haven
Hmm this is true for many people.
However thing is, especially now with M1, peop...
name a single feature that isnt beaten by other products
shadow minnow
Imo their focus is marketing
shadow minnow
name a single feature that isnt beaten by other products
There are a few. Especially conbined.
Any other laptop with mini led screen of this res and refresh rate? (As M1 pro/max)
astral haven
miniled is a marketing term
oled still blows the snot off of lcd image quality wise
shadow minnow
fashion is the adjective marketing is the noun
Not entirely. I would agree with apple being marketing focused but the way marketing is focused on is not just fashion. So imo they aren’t really just fashion mainly focused but definitely mainly marketing
shadow minnow
oled still blows the snot off of lcd image quality wise
Eh it is better in contrast tbf. But it’s a laptop. Low brightness would really suck
astral haven
you are confused
shadow minnow
Even the 1600 peak nits are sometimes barely enough
astral haven
emissive is not transmissive
astral haven
you are confused
marketing is fashion
shadow minnow
Imo not just
astral haven
marketing is the name of the action you take to make your product fashionable
shadow minnow
Well nvm this pointless since it just about definition of words now
astral haven
its really not complicated tho
apple is all about looking good
the products are designed with that first and everything else is allowed to exist as long as the image doesnt get hurt
ashen spindle
joins argument
argues point that wasn't made
moves discussion to something else
now its pointless to continue
shadow minnow
Is it not though when marketing fashion being same was just definition thing, which is kinda subjective too
astral haven
again you arent arguing against the meaning of my words just the exact verbiage i used
shadow minnow
apple is all about looking good
the products are designed with that first and ev...
I would still argue it’s not really that way, since the other things are not only allowed but also focused on. Wouldn’t call it fashionable unless other stuff is ignored. Since if you take marketing focused and fashionable you would possibly be able to include way more tech companies
astral haven
focused on in what way
ashen spindle
calling it fashion is just a lot easier since it's just one word instead of describing it as the features that make it presentable and enticing to the consumer to buy it over functionality
astral haven
^
and most tech companies are trying to copy the apple formula lmao
but they arent as devoted to brand image as apple is
shadow minnow
Hmm if you see it that way I guess.
Just myself focused on not entirely same meaning of fashion
But yeah apple main focus is definitely brain image
ashen spindle
ahahahah
astral haven
heres the thing
zoom in on linus there
he literally just removed the power cable
its just really really hard
shadow minnow
removes an "ugly" power port
Well with MagSafe they made it look pretty nice. Imo it’s worse for brand image since it’s just annoying customer experience, to the point where it’s worse than if it had a power port.
But mainly it’s just dumb
ashen spindle
how tf does the display relate to phone charging
shadow minnow
Really should have just used the iMac archer
astral haven
but customer experience doesnt matter for brand image if everyone just hides their experience like often happens for mac
astral haven
how tf does the display relate to phone charging
magsafe on the imacs is pretty sweet
i mean
some of them
some of them its just a moronic power plug with far too many failure points
but on the higher models it carries ethernet
shadow minnow
but customer experience doesnt matter for brand image if everyone just hides the...
Eh this kinda experience is sth that imo genuinely hurts every user a bit so not just sth you would hide. But I guess may be a bit biased just because I find it really dumb.
astral haven
its hidden because normal people cant afford it
and the only people who will be interacting with it will be professionals who will have staff to set it up for them and it pros who's job it is to deal with bs
1600
anyways give me a steam deck
shadow minnow
But ngl there are so many stereotypes and stuff between less tech people. Like first level you have people just buying apple products because of the brand. And like genuinely so many people would buy any iPhone to have iPhone.
On the other side you do kinda have people buy iPhones for brand usually = they bad at everything. Then you also have general stereotypes like people thinking iPhones are best at sth, like photography, or thinking they are always bad at battery… even if they think phone sucks overall.
ashen spindle
watching wan show now, that is the worst power cable unplugging I've ever seen damn he needed so much force
shadow minnow
Does it break if you force remove it or is it just really hard?
astral haven
as far as i can tell it goes kinda like -_-
and a metal spring goes into the dip
when you rip it out it gouges the plastic of the cable a bit
ashen spindle
you have to pull hard enough to make the entire monitor strain
astral haven
^
wheat plume
It seems some of the Q1 Deck customers are putting reviews out on youtube lately
ashen spindle
also as linus mentioned, more ewaste since nothing else uses that cable
astral haven
yup
that primary ewaste also creates secondary ewaste as all of the replacement cable market will just have to throw away their stock when the product goes eol
crisp granite
more kids stripping those wires to harvest that juicy copper to not starve
apple looking out for the destitute
/s
astral haven
i know sony isnt great
but imagine if sony engineers had apple budget
astral haven
i more meant their business divisions
ashen spindle
oh 
astral haven
like ffs the highest bandwidth processors in the world are already made by sony
50 megapixels at 90 fps
actually no thats lower than epyc or gpus but still
like everything here is just well made
ashen spindle
ya they are quite good in almost all areas
astral haven
imagine if they had consumer products /s
cursive summit
wheat plume
Installed fabric and sodium in Minecraft
Running between 90-115 fps on my laptop with integrated graphics
Impressive
And no world gen lag
young pecan
And no world gen lag
If you want no worldgen lag then I have a better solution than trying to make your game efficient. :p
Use pregen mods and simply brute force the world generation.
Say you gen a 10,000 chunk radius around 0 0 then your worldfile size might be like 30 gig or something.
Takes a hot minute to run tho, usually a week or something since it doesn't scale cores.
wheat plume
...
young pecan
The real victory condition is brute force and file size.
ashen spindle
put it on a server and let the cloud handle it then download the file ez
young pecan
Yee, basically.
An old friend of mine used to just rent out shitty Azure servers for a month and pregen 4 or 5 worlds at a time.
Probably the best thing about pregenning servers is that mods like Roguelike Dungeons don't cause cascading worldgen lag and are thus actually playable.
fickle ore
@ashen spindle Ppl found a way to get Zen 3 USB driver completely in message signaled interrupt mode. No more ISR flooding anymore.
Needs a modded AMD USB driver (it's signed)
ashen spindle
neat got a link?
fickle ore
It only works for CPU USB port. Installing it over chipset drivers is blue screening
😄
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/653084307790757888/954339121265004554/AMD_1.0.5.3_USB_MOD_Win7.zip
https://www.win-raid.com/t4960f52-Solution-Win-Drivers-for-modern-AMD-USB-Controllers.html
So u gotta figure out which one is the direct cpu port
ashen spindle
yeah I was just curious about a post about it, dont think I need it myself ^^
fickle ore
U need to install the driver first then hub driver too
There is no post specifically for zen 3 I think, only some guys in a latency discord I'm in. There is that win-raid forum link for Zen 1/2. We had not heard of anyone getting it to work on Zen 3 yet because the usb is different at hardware level, but ppl found a way. The W8/10 driver didn't work, but the W7 driver worked for W10/11 yesterday for folks with x570.
That 1.0.5.3 driver is from here https://www.win-raid.com/t834f25-USB-Drivers-original-and-modded.html
dated 2018 😄
There is no official AMD usb driver for zen 3, idk why. The microsoft default driver isn't working in MSI mode unlike the official ones from AMD.
halcyon moss
hm running stuff in docker does require some rethinking of stuff.. Like how do i run cron jobs
ashen spindle
whats also fun is having to figure out what your programs server's IP is.. when it runs in docker via kubernetes that someone else set up..
halcyon moss
the answer is to run a jobs container
guess i'll have to build an other gigabyte container
cursive summit
halcyon moss
8800 usd 🙂
cursive summit
Those PCIe lanes must come at 100$ a pop
pale sigil
Twitter
misty saffron
still absolutely nothing for companies
i’ve had like 5 of those, don’t think i had any issues
all from different sellers?
could’ve just gotten unlucky tbf
cheap chinese electronics are cheap chinese electronics
qc isn’t in the price
sounds like a busted chip to me
the eeprom part works but not anything else
good thing is you can usually get the money back i guess
with little to no proof
sounds about right
final flame
but why tho
reef patrol
ohmy
crimson wigeon
Minesweeper, but with RTX ON
solar hinge
It seems scores are on the low side because I only have two ram sticks
cursive summit
Someone did a direct comparison between DLSS 2.3 and FSR 2.0 in Deathloop
Static imagery obviously
DLSS and FSR appear to be very similar, all depends on how FSR handles motion
pale sigil
@cursive summitwould be nice if we saw both
ashen spindle
gdc talk tomorrow should have some more iamges
shadow minnow
https://imgsli.com/MTAwNjA2
Hmm hate how it’s not perfectly alligned
On quality can’t see almost any difference, but ngl on performance looks like DLSS is quite a bit better with surface handling.
Especially zooming in on the right side
Especially the pipe
But overall
shadow minnow
It’s strange how big the difference is there
pale sigil
that is close
pale sigil
this doesn't show perf
shadow minnow
There are two settings
pale sigil
shadow minnow
You can chose perf comparison
pale sigil
shadow minnow
shadow minnow
https://mrpl.me/compare/
Hmm that’s a completely different thing
ashen spindle
it's not even released and still getting changed, way to early to call one better than the other
pale sigil
i thought you meant fps
shadow minnow
True. But in this version just think performance looks better for dlss while quality actually may be better on far from that image
pale sigil
FSR has come along quite fast
wheat plume
I still have yet to learn the difference between suspend and hibernate...
true quest
all that matter is that shut down doesn't shut down your computer
wheat plume
hm?
astral haven
suspend = ram stays awake but cpu stops
hibernate = ram gets copied to storage and both cpu and ram stop
reef patrol
What Carb said. Suspend/Sleep is just snooze mode. Shuts off monitor signal, CPU goes into a low power sleep state.
Hibernation is full on shutting the system down. But it copies the RAM and CPU to the harddrive, so that it can start right back up where it was as if though you had just hit a pause button and went away for a week.
TLDR; if you close the lid on a laptop, then it goes into sleep mode. Still draws power to keep the system alive for a quick return to work.
young pecan
What Carb said. Suspend/Sleep is just snooze mode. Shuts off monitor signal, CPU...
Fun fact about hibernate functionality, on newer enterprise systems you have NVDIMMs that are able to hibernate and restore data a LOT quicker.
Not real time, but not too far off either.
The interesting kind are QNVDIMMs that have RAM on one side and NVRAM on the other with a few capacitors so in the case of a power loss it can quickly flash any data to the non volatile side.
Super interesting.
reef patrol
That's pretty cool. Less reason to use Sleep Mode, less battery wear as well.
young pecan
Yee
And it straight up lets you boot an actual full scale server in a matter of minutes.
reef patrol
young pecan
And btw I'm also talking booting VMs and such as well.
So if you had a Proxmox server you can theoretically store all of your VMs and CTs in a NVRAM buffer and just have it updating every few seconds.
Means you can bring a power crashed server online without spending 3 hours booting everything.
Best thing not even that. Best thing the DIMMs come in 512GB modules.
So you can have some absurd buffer sizes, shit like 10TB in a single system.
reef patrol
Neat
astral haven
Fun fact about hibernate functionality, on newer enterprise systems you have NVD...
gonna need a source on that one
afaik nvdimms dont support sleep states properly yet
young pecan
gonna need a source on that one
afaik nvdimms dont support sleep states properly...
No direct source, close friend of mine works with the tech.
Says they work with RAMdisks and the such, not with traditional storage.
astral haven
thats what the nvdimms are for
you store your shiz in the nvdimm
but you cant boot from it yet
not natively
ofc you can vm it
young pecan
Hmm. Probably not rolled out into actual deployment then.
Annoying.
Ngl I'd love NVDIMMs, those would just be fun to use.
young pecan
And no pics in the chat? Brutal.
young pecan
Not that I've ever seen.
astral haven
far too lazy to actually get up and take a proper picture
young pecan
Nifty looking DIMM.
old marlin
So if you had a Proxmox server you can theoretically store all of your VMs and C...
To be fair
Had some proxmox storage servers crash
With the hosts still on
All they need is the ram state
old marlin
Had some proxmox storage servers crash
btw, was a power outage for an entire week in part of a building
we were waiting on permission to putting an extension cord through the hallway so we could at least use the machines in the other half of the building
all of them that is
astral haven
I'm sure the fire marshal would have loved that
old marlin
obv
was in the much less risky part of the building
the electricity problem was a mains switch
for the whole part of the building
which has 5 or 6 galvanizing machines in it
and very few people in the offices
halcyon moss
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i hate brackets :p
pale sigil
https://youtu.be/xZrjYliMhfQ
Thats how i feel when i play some switch games
pale sigil
xD
wheat plume
Just got back from tech store to see if they had any 512GB SD cards
and I asked one of the assistants if they had any in that size
and he looked at me strange and asked me to repeat 512GB a few times
and said that SD cards that size dont exist
BRUH....
ashen spindle
why not just look online in the first place
and if its a store that doesnt have their things online I doubt it'd end up cheaper than online purchase anyway
wheat plume
Thats what im doing now
I want maybe one 512GB and one 256GB SD card for the Deck
512GB for steam games
256GB for emulation roms
Hopefully by the time I get my Deck, Batocera will be available on the Deck to boot off USB :D Which would make it so nice to use
ashen spindle
@fickle ore based on reports the qdoled might need some burn in and then the green tint on fonts is gone? so better watch out for reviews after some time
fickle ore
@ashen spindle promising
wheat plume
:')
wheat plume
its been over a month since his last video...
and THIS is what he does? XD
lol yes
HAH LOL
pretty looking
but useless overall
ashen spindle
young pecan
But will your GPU have copper thermal pads
I... what?
Is there any benefit to that whatsoever over just using a good heatsink with good thermal pads? Adding copper thermal pads in would still end up bottlenecking at the paste.
Lmfao
Can’t you do shortwave on a phone with a dongle or something?
Tbh I can absolutely see people buying them in a bad situation.
Just that the BBC has the tech leftover for this to just work makes me happier than I know how to say.
reef patrol
Most radios can access it still. And it lets people grab some just in case.
London calling...
astral haven
for shortwave think ham radio but even lower frequency and longer distance
you need antennas on the order of ham radios
sdr can super easily pick it up so yes you can pick it up with a dongle and a coathanger but its a specialty dongle
what you probably are thinking of is fm where the antenna is your headphone wire and the frequency is what you normally see on a radio
88.5 101.5 etc
thats in mhz
shortwave is 2-20 mhz normally
reef patrol
for shortwave think ham radio but even lower frequency and longer distance
Oh right... I'm thinking AM. My bad 😄
astral haven
Phones can't am either
rancid roost
I... what?
Apparently, even if u use a watercooler, copper pads and a lot of thermal paste will keep the VRAMS cooler than when u use thermal pads 🙂
Thermal paste + copper shims seems to work better than thermal pads
Its just a lot of work sanding them
reef patrol
But... they don't need to be cooler.
young pecan
Apparently, even if u use a watercooler, copper pads and a lot of thermal paste ...
Yeah they really don't need to be any cooler.
Properly padded VRAM will operate 60 degrees C under their thermal limit.
And you gain nothing from lowering it further.
This really just seems like excessive for the sake of excessive.
If you really demand better cooling, just do immersion cooling and call it a day.
ashen spindle
you can get basically the same anyway if you have good contact and just a thin layer between ram and cooler
pad->copper->paste->cooler is a lot worse if you can just do paste/pad->cooler directly
young pecan
Yeee
There's a pretty good reason we try and avoid multiple layers of thermal paste in general.
ashen spindle
also adding conductive elements for barely a gain is always a risk
old marlin
isn't the shim only viable if you have a VERY large gap to bridge?
young pecan
Basically.
ashen spindle
pretty much
young pecan
In which case you have a shitty cooler anyway.
ashen spindle
so something that shouldn't be the case with a waterblock
young pecan
Shouldn't even be the case with most AIB coolers.
Actually when was the last time we had a really poorly designed cooler for a card high end enough to warrant really good cooling?
old marlin
yea like how many milimeters of a gap would you even need
young pecan
Iirc it was the 1080Ti Duke using a 1070 cooler.
old marlin
Actually when was the last time we had a really poorly designed cooler for a car...
ACX3.0
so release EVGA 1080
would at least be the first one I can think of
otherwise plenty on the AMD side from asus
vega 64 strix for example
you could improve a lot by replacing the VRM thermal pad
young pecan
All of the 5700XTs, actually.
old marlin
and 3080 FE ig with the VRMs on the back
ashen spindle
@fickle ore did you order a monitor?
solar hinge
and 3080 FE ig with the VRMs on the back
They have vrms at the back?
old marlin
wait
nvm
an stupid
was neither VRMs
nor was it actual components on the back
was the GDDR6X getting especially toasty, which you could improve upon by putting thermal pads on the back
ashen spindle
the 3090 has gddr6x on the back
reef patrol
Yeah only the 3090 has backside VRM. Even the 3080TI don't.
solar hinge
was the GDDR6X getting especially toasty, which you could improve upon by puttin...
Yeah, which actually does A LOT
solar hinge
brought them down from 104C to 96C
Mine went from full tilt mining of 110°C at 75% fan speed to 86°C with 55% fan speed
ashen spindle
well get ready for waves of malware if its true
reef patrol
crimson wigeon
Microwaves.. software update? What? What could possibly go wrong
cursive summit
Microwaves.. software update? What? What could possibly go wrong
How else will they make you get new shit every 2 years? By artificially installing performance throttling software of course
crimson wigeon
Microwave as a service, have to pay a € for each microwaving
cursive summit
Microwave as a service, have to pay a € for each microwaving
You know that's what capitalists actually want right?
crimson wigeon
How else are they gonna afford to bring us technological advancements?!
wheat plume
my gosh xd
cursive summit
The hell is this supposed to mean
I mean I understand what it says, but why
I did nothing
crimson wigeon
I hate it. Support for my old card was dropped (in a time where you can't get new cards, GREAT IDEA!) on Windows so I have to use a modded driver, every now and then Windows silently replaces it and I have to reinstall it aaarghh
ashen spindle
yup nvidia really wants to own it all, cpu+gpu as one option now
crimson wigeon
Feels like I'm back in the omega (that's what it was called?) driver days though..
ashen spindle
jfc single switch that has more transistors than next gen gpus lol
chrome estuary
yeah but look at what it does.
reef patrol
Cause Apple are morons.
ashen spindle
daily lana finding out about old news in the same channel
wheat plume
ashen spindle
also not really hardwired as you can see linus can remove it
reef patrol
Well... "remove it"
wheat plume
you cant
ashen spindle
ok, unplug it and it works
reef patrol
LMG clip
CLIP
Video length: 20minutes
ashen spindle
if you get into the habit of finish a video before commenting what happens in it, that would make things easier
they unplug it, luke notices the monitor bends a lot but it works
reef patrol
I would argue that if a power cord requires two grown men holding and pulling on a cable, it is by definition not "safe" 😄
wheat plume
^ that
ashen spindle
oh for sure, its bad and makes ewaste etc.
reef patrol
I clearly felt the frame flexing when you did that just now
ashen spindle
but we already had that discussion with that clip in this channel and hardwired means hardwired, not "hard to remove"
wheat plume
if you need to potentially bend the monitor, thats 3 grand to purchase.... jsut to remove the power cable....
yeah
no thanks
reef patrol
The cord is "removable" in the same way that I can technically pull up a RAM socket and put it back.
ashen spindle
you can by definition not pull a hardwired plug and put it back in, this cable is garbage and having risks, but that doesnt mean it's a destructive action to remove it
reef patrol
Given the clip... it is definitely not "safe". You can damage the monitor.
So... I disagree with that opinion 😄
wheat plume
seems Quin didnt watch till the end either
ashen spindle
so I guess linus is a magician now?
they literally talk about how it can be removed albeit at a risk
yes its shit design and all
doesn't change that you obviously "can" remove it without breaking something 100%
reef patrol
You clearly didn't watch the clip with sound. Luke literally pointed out that it was flexing the frame - meaning excessive pressure required.
They might as well apply loctite into the socket when the cord is inserted - Cause that shit ain't technician level removable, let alone end user. And that's shit.
wheat plume
Im sure enough flexes like that will cause failure
ashen spindle
fucking apple jesus christ
cba to redoing the discussion we already had 3 days ago
ashen spindle
wheat plume
.....
OMFH
:')
IM CRYING LOL
WHY IT LOOK LIKE SHITTY STOCK PHOTO???
is this a Keychron board?
pale sigil
M1 LuLtra
ashen spindle
if the graphs are made so ambiguous then it's absolutely fair game to compare it in tasks its not made for
the gpu in the m1 is not made for gaming, but if they just put empty lines on it and pretend it beats a 3090 at 200W less
then they are just asking for it
doesnt matter what the test is, if you show it like this you get dunked on by people
it's great hardware but if they pretend it is more than it is, no, they just show shit marketing slides
its the same there
has been for years
here your majesty have you correct comparison
it's against a 12900k
yes it loses to a zen2 desktop cpu in rendering
zen2 means it lost to the 3950 not just the 5950
because there are tasks it's simply not made for but with a slide like this they act like it
oh it does, and so do other random computer parts from 5 years ago
general purpose means it's good all around and has no specialty, so its easy to beat it in one area
difference is nobody would attempt to present my routers chip as a thing beating the 5950x just because it has some network thing no desktop cpu has
but thats how apple did marketing for the last 3 years at least
and just like the cable is shit even if you can remove it, these graphs and claims are shit even if the hardware is good overall
wheat plume
I never thought Id ever say this ever...
Once I get the Gnome 42 update to my desktop, I may use the default gnome desktop theme cause it actually looks really good
🤢 the old theme
wheat plume
Gnome desktop is bringing back system tray icons for running apps in the background
but in a really shit way....
They are inside a menu inside the system menu popover
TWO MENUS DEEP .-. WHY
wheat plume
yeah
but its now 3 clicks and a lot of mouse movement to get to something that should be directly on the panel itself
crimson wigeon
Getting rid of the dedicated notifications popup then I see
wheat plume
huh?
crimson wigeon
Clicking the time and date in the middle of the bar is for notifications, but with that change you're showing it would be redundant and thus likely removed knowing Gnome devs
astral haven
It's foolish to expect quality
old marlin
wait so
the mac studio has an m.2 slot for storage
but not for an SSD
but JUST NAND flash modules
without a controller
young pecan
Wait what even?
old marlin
yea not like you can change it in the first place
young pecan
No I mean can you even buy controllerless M.2 formfactor SSDs?
old marlin
no
young pecan
Bruh.
old marlin
ikik tomshardware
seen it on a german site
but assumed you can read this a lot better
young pecan
That is the cringiest shit I've seen from apple in a good long while.
I assume he had some scathing things to say.
halcyon moss
on amazon only right?
crimson wigeon
Yeah it's a prime original
halcyon moss
it wasnt at first 🙂
anyway.. that means i'll have to find alternative methods of watching it
because fuck amazon
crimson wigeon
Wait what hasn't it always been
crimson wigeon
Intradesting
pale sigil
no, it was also on netflix
only in certain places but the UK it was always prime exclusive
ashen spindle
if with a few days ago you mean yesterday 8am, yes, that was the release date
but it didnt really sell that low unless you count a 20% student discount or smth like that
ashen spindle
but if they do it the same as in the US, they will cancel some of the orders that used a student discount without being one
ashen spindle
AW3423DW sold for 800 quid a few days ago
also it's back in stock so I guess they found more or cancelled some order already
ashen spindle
@fickle ore if you didn't grab one, they are back in stock for who knows how long
fickle ore
@ashen spindle Did they become for sale?
ashen spindle
ya
fickle ore
this page is from 1850
ashen spindle
lololol
fickle ore
link germany shjop
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
call the support and see if they sell it via phone kek
ashen spindle
hahahaha
fickle ore
what the fuck is that shit
not even search lmao
Yeah not buying until retailers have it seems
shit price tho
ashen spindle
if you give them a call maybe they give you a discount too
fickle ore
what is this crap
ashen spindle
? its the price that was expected
just with pretending that they already reduced it
which I thought to be illegal in the EU but I guess not lol
but thats the price that they mentioned last month or so
fickle ore
Yeah just hoped it'd be like 1100€ max when it was like 1k$
ashen spindle
oh I snapped one yesterday on release
ashen spindle
nope, gotta convert it DIY, electroboom style 😛
reef patrol
old marlin
nope, gotta convert it DIY, electroboom style 😛
had to do that with my amp
since it takes 15VAC
replacement one buzzes and had a different plug
current headphones don't need an extra amp tho
fickle ore
@ashen spindle I got lots of requests for youy whne u get the monitor
ashen spindle
sure haha
I dont have any special tools just so you know, no colorimeter or anything
fickle ore
@ashen spindle for example how good is playing with 720p, can the monitor push higher than 175hz at 720p, etc
any quirks with integer scaling and so on
fickle ore
We know. No need to state the obvious.
ashen spindle
there are differences between the manual and the real product though
fickle ore
Yeah and nobody can know how far a monitor will OC past it's rating, even with lower resos
ashen spindle
since it mostly depends on the panel, yes
ashen spindle
well I wont test trash like OW for you
fickle ore
U dont need to, I'll trust whatever shit the monitor reports @ OS level
astral haven
This
ashen spindle
not saying you should, but if it doesnt work at all that would be a clear result
if it does someone will probably find a cam and try it
astral haven
My monitor takes 280hz but frame skips above 242hz
fickle ore
I'll trust Dell OLED
ashen spindle
my old one only reaches 100 via OC so even stock will be better already
astral haven
I'll trust Dell OLED
Oleds almost never are able to oc
astral haven
https://www.testufo.com/frameskipping
Give us a slow shutter speed pic of this
fickle ore
wat
ashen spindle
I can do whatever my iphone6s can show, nothing more
astral haven
Put it in pro mode and set the shutter to 1/4 or lower
fickle ore
yours came already?
ashen spindle
mh sure, totally have that feature
astral haven
You definetly do
ashen spindle
astral haven
Touch and hold on an item then drag the light symbol up
ashen spindle
oh neat
well lets hope I even get it first
so far people with june ETA got it and others that ordered earlier are waiting beyond the ETA they got
astral haven
This the Alienware qdoled?
ashen spindle
ye
fickle ore
u prob got it, they got eu warez
astral haven
Good luck
Hope it's not like the other Samsung oleds
empty wren
I thought Samsung made quantum dot big format displays not oled
ashen spindle
errr
empty wren
Okay there is the Wall but that is different
empty wren
I know what quantum dot, and as far as I know Samsung made qd lcd tvs
astral haven
Qdoled is new tech
No prior incarnations of it
fickle ore
I'mma get it from blackfriday in 2024
ashen spindle
I mean they obviously make multiple panel techs, would be quite the bad business model to only do one
also samsung display is a separate company from the samsung that makes the end product
pale sigil
pale sigil
Idk what you're on about
empty wren
Edited
empty wren
think you are mixing something up
I just meant surely Samsung held off big format oleds for a reason and they seem confident enough noe
astral haven
I mean they obviously make multiple panel techs, would be quite the bad business...
Sdc is planning on swapping to exclusively quantum dot tech
ashen spindle
yes they plan to stop making LCDs this year iirc
astral haven
No
But no more color lcds
Quantum dot lcds only
ashen spindle
ah, sounds right, I just remembered something stopping this year
but what I mean with that was more in line of they will not hold onto one thing forever, if they find something better they'll switch
astral haven
I mean they didn't specify so you could be right
Well
Quantum dots is a pretty big category
ashen spindle
ah they delayed the LCD exit to push through pandemic demand but it seems like almost all is switched to OLED and one factory it's not known yet but people expect that to also make OLED
astral haven
Samsung's lcds are pretty pog
ashen spindle
im just glad I can finally (hopefully) get a decent upgrade that is not minisucle for more than my old screen lmao
the fact it took like 6 years or so shows how slow monitor panels evolve lol
fair gull
took the step to just make it public and just redacted the images and config since well cant really publish those without ok from employer
ashen spindle
nice
pale sigil
Pics?
astral haven
im just glad I can finally (hopefully) get a decent upgrade that is not minisucl...
I want qd OLED 4k240hz
ashen spindle
sounds nice but I also really want ultrawide and ultrawide 4k will take another two gpu generations before that is useable lmfao
astral haven
Ultra wide is overrated
ashen spindle
¯_(ツ)_/¯ had it for years and I much prefer it
and now that even the one single game I had issue with fixed the UW problem, I just really prefer the wider view
ashen spindle
time for some fun
pale sigil
@ashen spindle keep us updated k
pale sigil
🖕
ashen spindle
the FSR2 talk will be public in a few days you can watch that then
but I can give you another screenshot of something else
empty wren
Capricorn tubing it would seem has better tighter all round tolerances than whatever creality uses. Also line color illusion.
crimson wigeon
https://gpuopen.com/fidelityfx-superresolution-2/
Ultra performance, 33% render res... yeah will have to see how good that looks!
ashen spindle
based on what they showed in the talk, as long as it's included well that should actually be not too bad
though just likes nvidias upscale from 540p to 4k, I imagine it to work fine in demos but not quite there yet in most games
astral haven
Nvidias 540p to 4k looks pretty crunchy
1080p to 8k looks fine 1:1 but 540p is 1/4 the pixels of 1080p
ashen spindle
most promising thing so far is amd talking specifically about ghosting and how to best prevent it and such
since that's the biggest issues with dlss still
astral haven
If fx 2.0 looks even remotely good 360p to 1080p I will eat a sock
astral haven
since that's the biggest issues with dlss still
Was prior to 2.2
ashen spindle
still is in some cases like CP
at least from footage I can easily notice it during car movement there
crimson wigeon
Oh are they finally gonna fix TAA so it doesn't have that awful ghosting that would be cool and game devs better implement it ASAP if so
ashen spindle
idk if it's going to be fixed but a future step is also offering FSR's TAA as a standalone or at least as something that works without upscaling so we have an open source version that might become better over time
crimson wigeon
Can't you just set it to do 1x scaling pepeg
ashen spindle
¯_(ツ)_/¯ missed the Q&A section so I cant ask
astral haven
at least from footage I can easily notice it during car movement there
You have to use the dlss updater to update some of the more poorly maintained games unfortunately
ashen spindle
ik and I think it was HUB who did that and compared it, was looking better but at some points you could still see it even without looking hard for it
astral haven
Happens
Nv is still working on it
They have some dev versions available that they are testing out
ashen spindle
oh I definitely think it will be a lot better in not too long
still having a good TAA option directly in FSR that can be updated via open source should also help so much more in general which is nice to see
so many bad TAA implementations flying around..
astral haven
Eh
Is fsr the taa implementation or does it get stapled on top of the existing taa like dlss does?
ashen spindle
it has its own
ashen spindle
unreal plugin was announced, unity idk but I would assume just like with FSR1 they will also add it
astral haven
Kewlio
ashen spindle
anyway time for another fun 30 minutes
oh also one of the guys who wrote FSR1 works at unity now so I would be surprised if they are not already working on adding FSR2
astral haven
Figures
Is pretty neat
Hopefully the competition improves the quality of both implementations
Still want my frame forward projection upscaling
thick elk
Looking at the data AMD provides it seems pretty promising only thing that seems somewhat of a questionmark is it's performance, 1.1ms on a 6800xt to upscale from 1440p to 4k seems quite a lot in a vacuum. I don't know how much the overhead of dlss is though.
ashen spindle
I mean that just means if you are at 60 fps go to like 57fps for an entire resolution step
or from 240 to 200
thick elk
or from 1000fps to 500
ashen spindle
which is a lot less than regular higher resolution
dlss is about the same in most cases
thick elk
Outside of csgo or something it's a lot faster than running at native ress yes
pale sigil
still is in some cases like CP
Everything sucks in that game tho
thick elk
Then again csgo would be mostly cpu bound and thus pointless to use such a thing on
well not bound to resolution much being the better term
ashen spindle
bad argument since the DLSS issues come from dlss not the game
find another racing game that uses dlss and issues will mostly be the same
I just dont know any that I've seen
ashen spindle
and yes in csgo's cases it wouldn't make sense since fsr and such are supposed to lower gpu load
read the sentence after the one you replied to
pale sigil
I mean it looks funky driving without dlss
ashen spindle
ok but looking funky isn't causing ghosting
thick elk
I also think that it being an open standard vs DLSS would allow studio's to fine tune things, for example make it less prone to ghosting at fast moving at the cost of static image quality.
Assuming the studio will put in the effort which they probably won't.
ashen spindle
yes thats the other point, it's open and does not rely on the games TAA
so the unreal plugin could maybe have an option to use FSR's or UE5s TAA version
ashen spindle
also, my monitor is now saying it's going to be send out yesterday, so lets see how that works out
wheat plume
its interesting how win 11 can make EVERY app window have rounded corners on both the top and bottom corners
but Linux can only do it for first party apps and not any others
empty wren
That does not sound right
wheat plume
discord has all corners round on 11
but on Linux only the top two are round
the same for any non desktop first party app
astral haven
so if you have thin glass that can fold
and you just layer a bunch of it on top of each other
what stops it from folding
also yes all the samsung manufactured folding screens have a glass back but its on the back not the front
true quest
i'll take four
empty wren
I doubt glass will ever be possible to fold
Probably afraid of lawsuit due to false advertising of what people know as glass by putting it on the front.
empty wren
i'll take four
Whatcha need 64TB for
._.
I am sorry but animated lines do not take that much space
true quest
and the remaining 200 GB for garlic bread recipes
empty wren
So oddly specific
empty wren
I am sorry but animated lines do not take that much space
Bilingual 720p with captions anime episodes are like 100MB for 30ish minutes
true quest
we going 4K director's cut with deleted scenes
true quest
and regular bread recipes for any unused space
empty wren
I do not think I have heard of any 4k anime
Then again would 4k even do much for lines and shapes
Especially when they move quickly
true quest
artist on twitter be making 50000x50000 resolution pictures for 720p iphone users lol
empty wren
Actually that makes sense so long as it is an actual real life/digital scene
Or if it is a large detailed drawn landscape
For that I can vouch no matter if it shown on a iphone
Actually scratch the iPhone has a good chance it will crash
true quest
i want to be able to see every stain of grease on the wall in 16K
empty wren
If you wanna do that load an ai upscaler probably will have little issue
true quest
hmm might try that for some pics i have
empty wren
Kinda funny how enchance image exist today
empty wren
hmm might try that for some pics i have
If it is a real picture better hope the quality is good to start
Otherwise you may not like what you will see after processing
true quest
Kinda funny how ***enchance image*** exist today
all that is left is to make it work on live feed and all those csi shows will be accurate
empty wren
Hmm
I see now
Well probably all possible
Grab a big sensor
Use motion photos in tandem with video
And then organize it all together
Might have to make a custom sensor
Unless super resolution stitching can happen almost before real time
Long exposure research can help though
If this could be done well
Telephoto lens would be rather pointless unless immediate results are wanted
true quest
the original enhance
wonder if 3D recreation of a feed would be viable given several angles
true quest
it is
empty wren
One angle will probably always be missing anyways
empty wren
I meant the bottom
empty wren
the sensor is 20mp but it takes 50mp images
Would thought by now we would a similar experience on phones
true quest
gonna say where the wires not a giveaway lmao
astral haven
Would thought by now we would a similar experience on phones
the reason you cant on phones is the data rate of the sensors
you basically need to readout the entire sensor 16 times per second
which phones cant really do
true quest
the edges of the geometry as well
astral haven
and in the middle you need to move the image sensor extremely precisely
the smaller the pixels of the sensor the more precisely you have to move it
empty wren
those wires and struts gotta be hard to reproduce
At least being a drone it can consistently depending on the wind stay in the same elevation for some time and go as fast or slow as necessary
astral haven
its still hard to do even if you have lots of images
if you have even a few images which are off by pixels it will destroy your quality
and theres no way to hand sort those images out so it has to be automatic
true quest
and theres no way to hand sort those images out so it has to be automatic
print them out xray style and give them to doctors to sort
empty wren
Yes
astral haven
yea not pixel shift
what happened is the sky moved and the lamp followed
for pixel shift you have to take the images within a second
empty wren
Could be worse
empty wren
Makes sense
astral haven
only olympus runs it in camera
https://www.adorama.com/hsh6d400cmp.html
like for chrissakes for 47 grand they really should include a computer that does the processing for you
empty wren
That reminds me
When Mark was at Google
They worked on using hand shaking
To enchance image detail
That way digital zoom was halfway as goodish as 2x telephoto lens on a smartphone sensor
astral haven
yea on sony cameras you get a 2x digital zoom on all their cameras that looks the same as the 1x in terms of jpeg quality
1.88 microns
the red dot in the preview is the area visible on the left
absolute insanity
empty wren
Impressive but looks slightly blurry
astral haven
its slightly blurry because only around 3mm are in true focus by my estimate
astral haven
also remember each pixel here is 1/4 of a real pixel on the image sensor
solar hinge
young pecan
cursive summit
Microsoft's confirmed to be hacked by same group that hacked Nvidia and Samsung
People are starting to think these hacking profiles are far too big to be a homemade group and could be a state-funded hacker group
pale sigil
https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2022/03/22/dev-0537-criminal-actor-targe...
I'm not the late one for once @cursive summit
young pecan
I mean I'm not really shocked by this.
The right hacker groups can get absurdly paid.
young pecan
Never imagined I could 4K with my shitty 5700
I'll trade you a 3070 for that card. 
young pecan
Fuck ikr.
cursive summit
Hey you said it, better ship that beauty rn
old marlin
fanboying does not help anyone
pale sigil
old marlin
in neither case
pale sigil
These days get whatever you can 😂