🔌│tech

[ashen spindle]

@fickle ore first orders are delayed now for the US store lol

so I hope reviews are out in time so I can grab one here before that happens to EU stock

[fair gull]

yep

i always clean install win just cause of that

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-also-preparing-ryzen-5700-5100-and-4700-10-new-am4-cpus-planned-in-april

10 new AM4 CPUs?

I expect as many as 4-5 to be actual consumer ones

The rest OEM, but bruh

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z09RLWEoYZE how is this unboxing a better review than the reviews that are out so far lmfao

@fickle ore

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-to-discuss-next-generation-image-upscaling-at-gdc-2022

This is fun

[crimson wigeon]

Plot twist it's just FSR 1.0 again

[ashen spindle]

yes quite likely

[astral haven]

So basically amd means last gen upscaling

[pale sigil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/tawvch/and_thats_why_i_will_use_windows_as_soon_as_i/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Replies would make lana proud.

[fickle ore]

that guy is a good reviewer but wtf is he posting that video for? prob needs the €$$£

[ashen spindle]

people want to see stuff and ngl showing what the menu has is already more than some of the reviews so far

[fickle ore]

People are obsessed, me included

[pale sigil]

How is it

Poo or amazing

[fickle ore]

The menu seems to rock

But I'm probably window shopping anyway, I could afford it but I'm too scroogey

3400x1440 on a gtx 1060? Yeah no

[crimson wigeon]

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6121-ECCD-D643-BAA8

[young pecan]

3 gig or 6 gig?

Little 6 gig card is a monster, tbh.

[fickle ore]

3 gb ofc

[young pecan]

That thing has lasted well beyond it should have in terms of staying power.

[young pecan]

F

[fickle ore]

waiting for intel graphics card LOLLLLLL

[young pecan]

Yee, same.

Interested to see the hashrates out of them.

Not expecting to be impressed, but I'm curious nonetheless.

[fickle ore]

I was kidding, I fully expect them to be shit

But atleast stonks go up

intel is 15% of my portfolio

[young pecan]

Maybe with an Intel CPU they'll be alright.

Certainly not gonna be impressive compared to the other guys, but low end options are good to have.

[fickle ore]

I just want an AMD GPU, prices are nearly there!

[young pecan]

Any reason for AMD over Nvidia?

3070Tis are pretty damn cheap atm.

Been seeing some for sub 1000 AUD.

So that's what, pennies everywhere else.

[fickle ore]

HAGS <-> proper SAM <-> RTX IO equivalent

SAM kinda double dips with Direct Storage

[young pecan]

I getchu.

Man I want DS so fucking badly.

[fickle ore]

Yeeeeee where is it stuck

I think DWM 3.0?

fuck knows

[young pecan]

Fuck knows indeed.

All I care about is loading zones fucking off forever.

[fickle ore]

^^

yea my optane drive is w8'n

[young pecan]

I'm probably gonna use a RAID0 array or smth.

PCI-E 5.0 SSDs.

Always be the first into the heli. Always.

[fickle ore]

Idk, raid0 adds latency iirc

not sure if it benefits for loading

[young pecan]

A bit, but I'm hoping PCI-E 5.0 drops it.

[fickle ore]

I'm buying all this H/w and I 99,9% chat online

Just waiting for one game lol

[misty saffron]

i agree

[fair gull]

same

reminds me of when a company told me to just disable privacy stuff in safari so their website works

[misty saffron]

fun gimmick

but holy shit so unconvincing

somebody tell apple you don’t ever hear bass just with one ear

[cursive summit]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/84992/amd-radeon-rx-7970-xt-navi-31-gpu-32gb-gddr6-costs-up-to-2499/index.html

Doesn't sound very reliable, but I'd not be surpised that's the case

[young pecan]

Luuuuuuuuuul

32GB of fucking VRAM.

Omg

And dual die.

Nvidia you better be scared.

[pale sigil]

Wish there were decent mail clients on Windows

i used mailspring for a while but it keeps shitting itself

[cursive summit]

It's called... Mail

[pale sigil]

me no like that

[astral haven]

Nvidia is very much not scared lol
256b is still 256b

Nvidia would be scared of if it was 512b
But they would be more scared about their reverse engineering lab burning down when they test the card

[cursive summit]

Now why aren't all cards 512b?

[young pecan]

First generation, I’m not talking about RX 7000 series.

[cursive summit]

Like is it extremely expensive to make the bus bigger or what

[astral haven]

Because noone wants to repeat 290x and etc

[young pecan]

Dual die speaks poorly of Nvidia’s prospects in the near future.

Unless they bumrush a competing tech.

[astral haven]

It uses a ton of power for gddr
The memory controller alone was 130w on the 290x

[astral haven]

Nvidia already does multidie

[ashen spindle]

multi die yes multi chip no

[astral haven]

They just haven't needed to do it on consumer yet

[astral haven]

You said that wrong for what you meant
But what you meant was wrong

Nvidia has been doing multichip for the past 20? years

[young pecan]

To me it means more than AMD’s GPU design is actually starting to ramp up.

Been disappointing so far, here’s hoping this goes somewhere.

Just that competition should scare a company since it means you have to actually start working for a living instead of being able to rest on your laurels.

[astral haven]

Sure
But Nvidia has been experimenting with stuff for 5 years now and using as cheap nodes as possible

[young pecan]

‘Sides, more competition is always good.

[pale sigil]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1675200/view/3131696199122435099

noice ish

[astral haven]

Lovelace is iteration and even if the 7970 rev 2 is faster, Nvidia will sell more units of lovelace, and hopper will slaughter everything

[pale sigil]

NGL im loving all this hate for Windows via steam deck users.... so much hate.

[astral haven]

Can you make the steam deck boot from the sd card?
If so you set the sd card to default and install windows on it

[pale sigil]

not sure

[young pecan]

The whole thing is a toxic shitheap, it’s been real fun seeing how salty people are getting.

[astral haven]

I want deck :(

[pale sigil]

https://youtu.be/n6r0ME1r6WQ

[astral haven]

Naisu

Same

[pale sigil]

Why?

What made you regret getting the highest one

Interesting.....

i heardf it was pretty much not usable in high reflective light

or something

[true quest]

i hope the dbrand screen protector works on it

[wheat plume]

oohh

cant you do this manually if you know about this?

[ashen spindle]

yes technically you can manually make a new bios that supports a feature the current ones doesnt support

[wheat plume]

oh...the option for fTPM is literally not there?

[ashen spindle]

as in they used non monolithic designs? that's what I meant with no multi chip

[astral haven]

Yup

Multi chip is separate wafers on separate interposers

Multidie is multiple silicon parts sharing the same interposer

[ashen spindle]

and where do they use multi chip exactly or is my brain just fried atm

[astral haven]

Datacenter

Ofc

And the x90 cards besides the 3090

Basically every 2 slot Tesla card has been 3 separate chips

2 GPUs and a bridge chip

[ashen spindle]

so multi chip is what have not used so far?

or would that be called multi module

[astral haven]

Everyone has been doing multichip forever

The first multichip GPUs were voodoos

Multi module would be like sli

[ashen spindle]

so what would you call a gpu that is split like ryzen

[astral haven]

Multidie or chiplet

Now
Nvidia hasn't made chiplet GPUs yet

However they have made multidie gpus

[ashen spindle]

I thought multi chip is what CDNA2 does and not if they are not directly connected I guess

[astral haven]

Threadripper 1k and 2k were multidie and Ryzen 3k and 5k are chiplet

Cdna2 is multidie yea

But you could saw it in half and have a perfectly viable gpu

That's what multidie is

Multiple of the same things that add together to make 1 GPU
1+1=1 and all that

[ashen spindle]

err yea now I noticed I asked about multi chip twice instead of multi die, I need to sleep

[astral haven]

Yup

Have good sleeps

[wheat plume]

.....
They adding swap space to phones now???

[empty wren]

Lana that has always been a thing

Pretty sure zswap is what it is called

[wheat plume]

Oo ...

[wheat plume]

O.o what app is that?

[empty wren]

Ex kernel manager

You need root to use it

[wheat plume]

Ooh

[astral haven]

it should be somewhere in the dev options menu

[wheat plume]

O ...
Can choose bt audio codec if I use those ever again

[fair gull]

yes

also first lana pic with context

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-news-news-flash-report-gif-8607328

[ashen spindle]

man I forgot how bad the canadian dollar is

till I saw this compared to the 980 on the usd page lmfao

[rancid roost]

android users .-.

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amds-new-ryzen-7-5800x3d-5700x-cpus-listed-by-first-retailers

520 is a bit tad too much for X3D

[old marlin]

5600X price drop is prob the most interesting thing that comes form this

[ashen spindle]

ya almost down to 200 on mindfactory

[crisp granite]

Ouch

[ashen spindle]

not as bad, turns out that was the dell membershipt price

so normal price in usd was 1200

[crisp granite]

That makes the 1650 CAD price more reasonable

...was considering getting a 2080Ti for that much in 2019

[young pecan]

M8 I cannot fucking wait to upgrade my GPU later this year.

Gonna go maxed out on next gen nvidia.

Or perhaps AMD. Idk, we’ll see what has the best perf.

[ashen spindle]

honestly, think it comes down to if you want liquid cooling and if not depends on who makes good AiB versions lol

[wheat plume]

Time to try out CoPilot for myself :D

:D

oo

[wheat plume]

LOL

its basing its suggestion on my first entry

OOOO

This is also good, it makes sure people ACTUALLY COMMENT THEIR DAMN CODE

Too many people dont and it hurts me

[ashen spindle]

imo thats the bad type of commenting

[wheat plume]

Hm?

[ashen spindle]

in general code should be understandable without comments

[wheat plume]

Yeah, but to break down what a block does, commenting is handy for glancing through it

[ashen spindle]

and commenting that is just saying "goes through all items in the list" for a for loop is just adding text bloat

[sudden glacier]

I don't see the problem in it

doesn't hurt me to see

[ashen spindle]

so in the end if you use copilot you might end up not commenting the ones it cant do bc its too complicated lmfao

[wheat plume]

Something broke

[ashen spindle]

error is quite obvious tbf

[obtuse wave]

question guys: i'm planning to pick up an RTX 3070 Ti and a matching PSU but i'm torn if I should get a 650w or 750w

I have ryzen 5 1600, 2x8gb RAM, 2x SATA disks and 1 m.2 disk

[ashen spindle]

any plan to upgrade in the next idk, 1-3 years?

[obtuse wave]

no, maybe cpu for a slightly better am4 ryzen

[ashen spindle]

650 works out just fine

[obtuse wave]

reddit was saying 650 fits, but some online calculator said i'd have 92% load on a 750W psu so I got confused

[ashen spindle]

well if you dont do any synthetic stuff, you wouldn't really load up a gpu cpu and the rest to 100%

[obtuse wave]

had gpu/fans hit 100% quite often these days (gtx 1060), not so much cpu though

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah and thats how you want it usually

max out what you gpu can give you and the cpu is being lazy 😛

[wheat plume]

oh hek.... it knew what I might want to add

[ashen spindle]

but games would never load gpu and cpu both to max

so lets say you fully load your gpu

which is around 300W TDP

your ram and storage adds up to like 20 maybe 30W more total, if they were on load I think?

so then your cpu which is not going full power wouldn't top that to even 400W, so with load spikes you still have headroom before it hits what the psu advertises and loadspikes are designed to go above it to some degree anyway

now if it's an OC model that pushes it a bit higher, you might want something better to be safe

but even then getting something that has more than just 80+ gold rating would usually cover that

[reef tundra]

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-meta-facebook-court-delcare-extremist-organization-2022-3

[cursive summit]

Someone doesn't read #💬│general

[obtuse wave]

noob question: are LHR card variants model-based or there can be for example both Asus TUF OC RTX 3070 Ti with LHR and without LHR?

[cursive summit]

LHR?

What is LHR

[obtuse wave]

lite hash rate (anti-mining)

i don't mine but I try to consider resell value

i ask because I see Asus TUF Gaming OC RTX 3070 Ti both with LHR listed and without it for the same price and i'm wondering if it's just some vendors not providing information about it, or there are both LHR and non-LHR variants of the same card

[reef tundra]

Large Hyper Rockets

[obtuse wave]

oh, okay, i googled some more and it seems that ALL rtx 3070 Ti models are LHR

problem solved I guess 😛

[ashen spindle]

yup

[cursive summit]

Should have thought about it in 2020

Could have sold 400€ cards for 800 or more

[young pecan]

Yeee they’re all LHR.

Technically anyway.

Some people have been taking the unlocked laptop SKUs and soldering them onto PCBs.

FHR speed, too.

[cursive summit]

So apparently Ada Lovelace AD102 die should have support for GDDR7

[young pecan]

GDDR7 lmfao.

Can’t wait to see the memory mining performance out of that.

[cursive summit]

Wtf is G7 tho

HBM3 is barely out, so is HBM2e

Is G7 so much easier to develop or what

[ashen spindle]

what does hbm have to do with ggdr

[young pecan]

Isn’t HBM just a massive expensive pain in the ass to develop?

[old marlin]

[young pecan]

Iirc the benefits were crazy high density and power but just a big pain in the ass.

[old marlin]

yes

[young pecan]

Ikr.

[old marlin]

implementation is hard as well apparently as well

just look back at vega

where AMD had 2 partners for substrates

and one of them could not even get the HBM dies flush with the GPU die

[cursive summit]

I mean HBM and GDDR afaik are made by the same companies so, how is GDDR having such a massive adoption compared to HBM

[old marlin]

GDDR is easy to implement

and cheap

[cursive summit]

Is there a single commercial product with HBM2e?

[young pecan]

Probably FPGAs or smth.

[cursive summit]

Oh Ampere A100

[young pecan]

FPGAs and ASICs tend to roll out pretty quickly, but nothing consumer I think.

Actually especially FPGAs. Those are pog.

[cursive summit]

With how expensive cards are going to be they might as well just also shell out some extra cash on better memory for perf leadership

[ashen spindle]

thats not how that works

[old marlin]

have seen FPGAs in the stupidest consumer products

[ashen spindle]

just having hbm doesnt make it better

[young pecan]

Ikr.

[old marlin]

good implementatiosn are always better

[young pecan]

I mean I get why, but they end up in wacky shit.

[old marlin]

we have some at work

[young pecan]

Cuddle me Elmo, for example, originally had an FPGA in it because fuckin’ reasons I guess.

[old marlin]

in measuring devices

[young pecan]

That got axed pretty quick.

[old marlin]

they take a few dozen high res black and white pictures

and have to look for bad parts

in like .05 seconds

[old marlin]

amazing

[young pecan]

Ikr.

[old marlin]

ah also

some old af ones

used for like 16 com ports

on one card

only thing I know about them is that they are worth more than the average addin card

cause of the gold in them

[obtuse wave]

blew 1044 euros on the gpu + psu, wish me luck guys

are there any no-brainers when it comes to testing new units? some recommended benchmark or fault test?

[old marlin]

uhhhh

not really

ig

I just run furmark

to see max temp

but prob not the best idea

ah btw

@young pecan got my ESP95X

they are awesome

once EQ is applied

[ashen spindle]

furmark for gpu I guess

[old marlin]

I'd probably test if it works at all with anything else before

[obtuse wave]

furmark it is then, ty, if it's not enough i'll try running Total Warhammer 3 for a couple hours 😄 that should stress it enough

[old marlin]

what gpu did you get

[young pecan]

Nice!

[old marlin]

ah

and needed to connect my DAC via USB

even though i only use it via optical

cause driver bs

just to ground it

otherwise they hum

[obtuse wave]

@old marlin this one, along with 750w gold rated silentium psu

[old marlin]

uhhh

gl

might not work with that PSU

[obtuse wave]

that bad? 😦

[old marlin]

transient load spikes with the newest gen cards are stupid

and can just crash your system

if your PSU doesn't like them

not even an indicator of PSU quality

but I would recommend investing in a decent PSU

like once you spend so much on GPU and PSU

you might as well pay like 10% more

[obtuse wave]

well, ordered one for twice the price of my previous one, I used a soldered second-hand PSU for 5 years now

[old marlin]

to have a PSU that just works for the next 10 years

[young pecan]

Ngl with PSUs it's better to overkill the flying fuck out of it.

[old marlin]

ye

[young pecan]

It just ain't worth cheaping out ever.

[old marlin]

too bad buying PSUs is a mess

[obtuse wave]

i thought 750w gold is ok? i don't run very heavy components

[old marlin]

market is super intransparent atm

[old marlin]

I mean I can't fault you on that

market is in a giga shit position

[young pecan]

Consider 850W+ the bare minimum for safety.

[old marlin]

and you need to d o stupid amounts of research

to get something actually good

and silentium is not the brand I would go for

they are known for cheap shit

[young pecan]

My next mini build is going with that new ITX 1300W PSU. I do not even care.

[old marlin]

the silverstone one?

[young pecan]

Yee

If it's good.

[old marlin]

got a corsair RM1000X

smells like fish

[young pecan]

Haven't done the research yet, but if it turns out awesome I'm just doing it.

[shadow minnow]

I wanted to go with 1000w GPU but got discontinued and heard 850w should be okay for watercooling and some GPU/cpu OC

[old marlin]

tbh

750W is enough for like 90% of 3090 systems even

but most 750W PSUs can't handle it

my old one had bad OPP protection

which is why I swapped it out

when I upgraded GPU

how else should you find good PSUs

even some decent seasonic ones have problems

jonnyguru reviews are not a thing anymore

[shadow minnow]

Hmm ima hope Corsair rm850x is good enough

[old marlin]

should be

[young pecan]

It probably is.

Personally I don't believe in not overkilling anymore.

[old marlin]

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

good tier list btw

[young pecan]

My last 1000W PSU had a cable fuse into the plug. Works fine I just can't replace the cable anymore without effort.

But it did last 9 years.

So give it that.

[old marlin]

high safety

I see

[young pecan]

I have an EVGA Supernova that's 14 years old.

It's still going, no fucks given.

[old marlin]

you are aware that there are ceramic plugs

[young pecan]

Yee, I just wasn't aware of them a while ago.

[old marlin]

I mean

don't buy them

you should not need them

[shadow minnow]

Wish Corsair didn’t discontinue rm1000i, strange they did

[old marlin]

why do you want the i

new rm1000x btw is like new fan controller

and uhhh

something else

can't remember

does not matter really

old and new one are basically the same

internally

just entirely different pcb layout

[fair gull]

why use plugs

i just connect cables directly

[old marlin]

stax moment

those are audio input

[obtuse wave]

thanks for the psu tier list, didn't think about that even though i used such list for SSD

silentium supremo fm2 is in mid-tier without any extra issues so looks like i'm good 🙂

[old marlin]

should be fine then

ig

unsure if anyone did transient load testing with it

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-fsr-2-0-might-be-announced-soon-impressive-performance-and-image-quality

Sounds great

[astral haven]

It's capframex

Massive salting required

[ashen spindle]

^

he's... something

well either way I'll be watching the gdc talk about it so I'll know soon

[cursive summit]

When's GDC this year?

[ashen spindle]

you really only post headlines and dont read what you post huh

[cursive summit]

That was necessary?

[astral haven]

Yes

[wheat plume]

It auto suggested the adduser() and DAMMNNN

It even used my input validation methods in its suggestion

[reef tundra]

553x666px Satanist

[misty saffron]

meanwhile github doesn’t give me copilot for half a year

[wheat plume]

IDK when I got access to it

I just checked yesterday and I had access granted

Legit forgot about coPilot until someone linked a video about it in another server last night xd

[misty saffron]

sadge

[wheat plume]

o..

The icon turns into a loading circle when its thinking!

Safari has bottom navigation....

FFS

Chrome used to have it a while back but removed it 🤦‍♀️

[misty saffron]

bottom toolbar makes perfect sense and i love it

[wheat plume]

IT DOES MAKE SENSE

DAMNIT GOOGLE

[wheat plume]

this is the nightly copilot, try the stable one

Oh wait nvm

what

[pale sigil]

Cool if true, will play a huge role in the deck

[ashen spindle]

Not necessarily

Might not be great until rdna3 depending on how it works

Also any upscale on deck won’t be that great since you have to upscale from really low resolution, not full hd to 4K

[cursive summit]

Last I checked upscaling from 720p to 1080p is fine, especially with good algorythms

[halcyon moss]

Firefox

Oh! What's the difference?

[crimson wigeon]

Branding, probably

[halcyon moss]

Fennec F-Droid is based on the latest Firefox release (codenamed Fenix).
It has proprietary bits and telemetry removed, but still connects to
various Mozilla and Google services that can track users.

[halcyon moss]

I'll stick to Firefox from the play store..

[reef tundra]

Fluorine best halogen

[wheat plume]

OP

not what I need though

[reef tundra]

ok

[wheat plume]

Hmm, I forgot how to use jUnit

[reef tundra]

and?

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/y8jiYl0CzKc

ooo

Yes

I love this

[young pecan]

Ngl I would truly love essentially a way more powerful RasPi 400.

[reef tundra]

So you want a laptop?

[young pecan]

Nah.

Specifically I'd want one without the display.

Or I suppose a keyboard PC with no integrated display, but the choice of connecting one.

[reef tundra]

cope

[young pecan]

I've been getting around the issue by using a few programs like Parsec and Synergy, but having a much stronger 400 would be quite nice.

Niche as all fuck, but nice nonetheless.

[foggy solstice]

So basically a laptop with the monitor removed.

Or perhaps a detachable monitor.

[young pecan]

Basically.

Difference being this would include a mechanical keyboard.

Also as well a Mac Mini isn’t viable for my work. I’d be looking for something that’s a whole PC minus the screen so I can have what amounts to an attachable micro dev platform.

I have little interest in having to include a screen because I get no choice when most of my workplaces already have screens.

And sure you say, just grab a pi 400 and Parsec home, yes that’s about my current best solution. Keyboard is fucking garbage tho.

[astral haven]

what workplace doesnt provide any computer
just bring a regular keeb and parsec using their computer???

[young pecan]

Sure and I can, but having a little integrated solution would be nicer.

Overkill I don’t strictly need, but goddamn I’d love something like that.

Also some workplace internet is just awful or the admins have parsec blocked which causes problems.

[astral haven]

fair enough

do you work more than 2 jobs tho?

[young pecan]

I freelance.

[astral haven]

ah

[young pecan]

I’m a pretty bad fit for long term work in any one company, usually ends badly.

Freelance suited me way better.

[astral haven]

uncertainty gives me anxiety

[young pecan]

I...

Yeah, I can agree.

[reef tundra]

Calm down dude

😎

[young pecan]

But a stagnant life has always felt sickening to me. I’d rather live a life of freedom and occasional fear than one of self destruction as years go by, y’know?

[reef tundra]

Uncertainty doesn't seem to affect me much 🤷

[astral haven]

that is definetly great reasoning

[young pecan]

I suppose the way I see it is if no chances are taken, no shots fired, then I’m doomed to live my life in a gilded prison.

A nicely furnished and gold prison, but a prison nonetheless.

I want my life, for as long as I have it, to have more personal meaning than that.

After all, I got this golden ticket called life by chance, no point in wasting it.

[fickle ore]

you were working freelance in the kitchen right?

[young pecan]

No? I can’t cook to save my fuckin’ life.

I’d sooner take a perfect bowling game to not die, higher chances.

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/ied-better-call-saul-bomb-your-honor-gif-24668812

[fickle ore]

that was a bad joke XD

[young pecan]

Bruh, the joke would be your tombstone after eating something I prepare.

[reef tundra]

The joke would be the 'critics' rating it

[young pecan]

“Here lies Dag, slain by poorly cooked chicken, the salmonella evolved into COVID-20”

[reef tundra]

https://youtu.be/2vGvSRzDHaY

[fickle ore]

What would you like your tombstone to say

[reef tundra]

Died of amogu-16

[misty saffron]

hello linux question

can i set up an openvpn server that would go through a different vpn client connection

vpn sharing basically

[misty saffron]

i’m guessing vpn clients create their own ethernet interface and i need to select that in ovpn server config

reason i want to do all that is to give my parents my ovpn profile and set up some paid vpn service myself

[fickle ore]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-cpus-see-less-than-10-performance-drop-from-revised-spectre-v2-mitigations

[ashen spindle]

meh, server stuff, doesnt really mean anything for games anyway

[fickle ore]

"According to Phoronix's Core i9-12900K (Alder Lake) results, networking and storage performance went down the toilet after enabling Retpolines. The publication recorded a 26.7% performance loss on the former and 14.5% on the latter. That's the hallmark of these mitigations: Any external I/O from the chip takes a hard hit. Workloads like web browsing or image manipulation in GIMP didn't show a huge impact.

The Core i7-1185G7 (Tiger Lake) took an even more detrimental hit to storage performance. The results showed 35.6% and 34.1% lower performance in OSBench and Flexible IO Tester, respectively. But again, workloads that don't rely on I/O or networking didn't show significant performance loss. These include gaming, web browsing, and other daily tasks."

"These include gaming, web browsing, and other daily tasks."

[ashen spindle]

you gotta read the sentence before that

"[...]didn't show significant performance loss. These include gaming, [...]"

since its something making I/O worse, gaming which doesnt use much (kinda funny though since huge cache helps in games) doesnt care as much

[fickle ore]

Gaming is hugely dependant on I/O, they prob talking about SP gaming

[ashen spindle]

idk what kinda game youre playing, but I doubt any form of multiplayer comes even close to hammering the networks as much as simulations

[fickle ore]

But still affected nontheless, maybe not significantly so, which is.. however much they think is significant

Anyway, glad im on zen 3 as intel is more affected

[ashen spindle]

even then, worst case is around 25%, that is not on networking alone and no game is even using 1/10th of a gigabit connection for needed packages lmao

so in the end even worst case should be low single digits

[fickle ore]

I/O isn't just bandwith, if you're say using tcp and disabling nagling and flow control etc, you're sending more frequent smaller packages for less latency.

those are more affected

same goes for seek latency on ssd's

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah I was grossly simplifying it, but still, even if its a bit off it wouldn't even come close to the worst case of pure IO tasks

and get a better gpu if you're cpu bound anyway 😛

[fickle ore]

Yeah, this shit just keeps building and adding up to enormous I/O penalties over time..

A guy who has same optane drive as me on windows 7 vs my on w11, he gets 35% faster IOPS on seek latency (less on write latency)

[ashen spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ I'll care about it once I need to care about more tasks than gaming or coding on my machine

also all of these things are going to be hardware fixes in next gens anyway

[fickle ore]

He gets about 115k IOPS on QD1 low thread read bench (below 10µs) while I get 70k max and about 14 µs iirc.

Well sure, but how many gens until I can be 100% sure I'm not gonna get fucked by spectre related vulnerabilities after purchase

Just build a CPU that's not affected, jeez!

[shadow minnow]

Any good place to buy parallels?

[wheat plume]

this is such a nicer way to unit test.... seems to only work on C# since its a nuget psckage but imma look into it

FluentAssertions

[wheat plume]

...why it no find Junit?

[ashen spindle]

not looking hard enough

[crimson wigeon]

The hell is going on with the font there

[ashen spindle]

looks like default consolas to me, is it not?

[crimson wigeon]

The file list the glyphs have all weirdly different heights

[ashen spindle]

ah didnt look at that, yea something is off there

might be the IDE using a different font for UI than for the code?

[crimson wigeon]

Probably hinting gone horribly wrong

[wheat plume]

I admit, it looks a lot better on the system UI than in IntelliJ

[crimson wigeon]

It hurts just looking at it

[wheat plume]

it looks nice in Chrome too

[wheat plume]

I downloaded the jar file, dropped into the project lib folder

and no go

[ashen spindle]

look harder

[ashen spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-a-minute-wait-a-second-wait-whoa-there-what-did-i-just-see-gif-13900813

[wheat plume]

??

[ashen spindle]

idk look at error messages or something, from what you posted I got no clue whats going on

[wheat plume]

"java: package org.junit.jupiter.api does not exist"

the only message

usually this IDE can download it for you, but its not today for some reason

[ashen spindle]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29749334/intellij-java-package-org-junit-does-not-exist

[wheat plume]

it needs the engine jar file too

damn it

now it works

[ashen spindle]

first google result of the error btw

[wheat plume]

new errors now

[ashen spindle]

google.com

[crimson wigeon]

coooom

[wheat plume]

google.cum

.... oh

[crimson wigeon]

Something something package manager

[pale sigil]

@wheat plume youtube vanced is officially dead

[wheat plume]

o..

wat tf

[pale sigil]

Ye

They are bringing everything down the coming week

[wheat plume]

sauce

[true quest]

dammit

[pale sigil]

Apparently legal reasons

[crimson wigeon]

It got too mainstream

[pale sigil]

Aye

[astral haven]

Craperino

[pale sigil]

I have youtube premium anyway

Was using vsnce for um

Sponsor block

That's prob what got them fucked

[true quest]

too bad they didn't include dislikes in premium

[pale sigil]

XD that would be pretty fucked up

[wheat plume]

A lot more people would buy premium if that was the case

Does YT Premium come with YT Music Premium?

[true quest]

ye

both equally annoying

[wheat plume]

why did I think it was €6 a month?

[true quest]

made for each other

[wheat plume]

its 12

[true quest]

that is student discount

[wheat plume]

nope

oh, 6 is

[true quest]

ye

[young pecan]

Honestly annoying pricing.

I remember when it was cheaper, I miss that pricing.

[true quest]

fitting for annoying applications

i would pay twelve for google play music alone

[wheat plume]

GPM is alive still?

[true quest]

fuck no

they killed that the first chance that arose

destroying the better version for a massive downgrade, per usual

[reef patrol]

Meh....nothing lost. Vanced didn't work with Chromecast like solutions, and I have never, ever needed to use YT on my phone directly.

[halcyon moss]

replaced by youtube music.. and thats whe i stopped using it.

[misty saffron]

just vpn into russia

no ads

easy

[pale sigil]

xD

[shadow minnow]

[chrome estuary]

fuck. i constantly use ymusic

[young pecan]

Aight lads, 3 days and 40 fixes later I have fixed my audio problem with weird crackly/stretchy audio.

What happened is I was running a raid in D2 and my PiHole server crashed, this disconnected me.

Upon reconnecting my audio was fucked, not sure how.

[pale sigil]

that makes 0 sense

[young pecan]

3 days later running Driver Verifier on my X570 chipset driver revealed that somehow at that time it got corrupted.

Installing a new driver has repaired the issue.

I have zero fucking idea how that happened.

[pale sigil]

@young pecanfuckin skrub

only done the new raid once

and many fails

[young pecan]

I was teaching noobs and doing day 1.

[pale sigil]

Sure

All i hear is excuses

[young pecan]

M8 I'll run it again soon.

[reef tundra]

The noobs: me, myself and I

[young pecan]

It's easy mode raid.

[pale sigil]

Should join us

one day

[young pecan]

When?

[pale sigil]

Well, i can send a link out before i make it private, we will prob have one this week idk

we have 3 full rn

and doing one atm

https://www.the100.io/groups/v2/200896

[young pecan]

Just DM me if you're doing a raid, I don't plan this shit in advance.

[pale sigil]

ok

[cursive summit]

The people?

Didn't know Destiny players are slavers and do human trafficking

[young pecan]

How do you think we get unwilling noobs into Riven?

It certainly ain't by asking nicely.

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/basedspongebob-based-spinchslob-epicbob-epic-gif-22636716

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/uRdAQU-tJTQ

better specs than my desktop PC...

other than storage capacity

rtx 3050ti....but is so thin wtf

[pale sigil]

Anything is better spec than your pc ❤️

[wheat plume]

my laptop isnt

[pale sigil]

CPU wise it prob is

[wheat plume]

yeah...

i think

idk

[wheat plume]

hm?

M A S T E

[wheat plume]

how use clamav?

[wheat plume]

Are the design team at Raspberry Pi Foundation left handed or what?

the usb for the mouse is way over on the left of the device and has to cross either over or under the other cables

[plush summit]

hey @crimson wigeon

do you know how to write nft rules?

ive been trying to move from iptables to nftables and i need help writing rules that arent trash

[wheat plume]

giant ass box tv with a bulging screen

How my friend described a CRT TV

[crimson wigeon]

@plush summit NOPE

[wheat plume]

https://www.thomann.de/ie/rode_ai_micro.htm

Worth it?

[reef tundra]

It depends

[wheat plume]

I want more detailed and warmer audio

[old marlin]

no

jesus it is 80€

god no

just buy apple USB-C dongle

[cursive summit]

Just get either a Schiit or Atom stack

Although that's basically an audio interface so DAC/AMP won't help, I think you are looking for an extension cord

[old marlin]

way too overkill

also shit to get in EU

[cursive summit]

Well if I managed, Lana can defo

[old marlin]

way too overkill still

@wheat plume what headphones do you wanna connect to it

and be prepared for like 90% of the market of USB dacs to have problems with linux drivers

[neat oriole]

I thought they had like a cloud or something

[old marlin]

idk

I assume something like that yea

apple dongle is 100% fine for that

even the weaker EU one

btw

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/eu-parlament-will-festverklebte-handy-akkus-verbieten-17867864.html

EU enforces user replaceable batteries with "normal" tools

goodbye pentalobe

you won't be missed

[reef patrol]

🎉

That's going to be very interesting. Most smartphones don't exactly have tool capable battery changing to begin with. Gotta heat the back off etc...

[old marlin]

definitely wants me to wait longer for a new phone

[old marlin]

it is obv not the best thing in the world

but I would recommend getting better sounding headphones first

rather than spending like 250-300€ on a DAC and AMP

you will get a much better experience from buying 200€ headphones and an apple dongle instead

yea you gotta run it at super high volume

and the modi is like 10 times the price

more even

could have told you that it is not

there obv is better stuff out there

haven't done comparative testing myself

sounds fine on my IEMs

[pale sigil]

I got some us ones

Difference is big

[wheat plume]

I can't

[old marlin]

why not

[wheat plume]

I don't have USB C on the desktop

[old marlin]

just use an adapter

[wheat plume]

Nah too messy

[old marlin]

then go and pay 4 times the price for a product that is probably not any better

[pale sigil]

You have to have usb c

There's no way you don't

You're using a 3600

Which all mobos have usb c

Pretty sure

[old marlin]

would have assumed the same

[wheat plume]

Yeah
Unless I mod my front panel to add one

[pale sigil]

Wot

No

In the back of your mobo

[wheat plume]

No
There isn't a port

It has a USB C header on the Mobo I think

But you need cable

[old marlin]

what mobo do you have

also a solid adapter is "too messy"

[pale sigil]

You must have a dirt cheap mobo

[wheat plume]

Asus Prime B550M-A Wifi

[pale sigil]

F

Cheap indeed

[old marlin]

not even

that board is 135€

[pale sigil]

It's not

[wheat plume]

No it's more

It was almost €200

[pale sigil]

It's like £75-80

Here

Wtf

[old marlin]

cheapest is 110€

[pale sigil]

How tf is this mobo a thing

What mobo doesn't have usbc

[old marlin]

uhhh

yes

[pale sigil]

I'm quite surprised

Even my mobo from 6600k had usb c

[ashen spindle]

no usb c is very normal for mid/low end boards

[pale sigil]

Really?

Lol

[ashen spindle]

yes

[pale sigil]

F

[old marlin]

I personally am just surprised about the price

tbh

[ashen spindle]

asus tax

[pale sigil]

Same

[ashen spindle]

also micro atx usually costs more bc rarer form factor

[old marlin]

a

true

[pale sigil]

Back in ma days it was common

Good olde and 3 days

[ashen spindle]

not really

[old marlin]

prob because of marketing

if it even was

just not a marketable feature

so might as well take it off

[ashen spindle]

still, usb a to c is like 7-20 depending on just being an adapter or a small dongle

that +10 for the apple dongle is still a lot cheaper

[old marlin]

it was calculated in here

[ashen spindle]

ah

[old marlin]

the rode one was 80€

[ashen spindle]

ya, 4x for worse but you save on having one less adapter in the chain

[old marlin]

but the clutter

[wheat plume]

The apple dongle actually improves audio quality?

Wat

[pale sigil]

Yes

[wheat plume]

But it's an adapter

[old marlin]

it is not

[pale sigil]

It's an amp

[old marlin]

just people so it is called an adapter

it is a dac

with an amp

[pale sigil]

Yes

[old marlin]

eu one has a weaker amp tho

[pale sigil]

For sure

Again I was kinda surprised of the difference

[wheat plume]

I have two of these
That came with previous phones

Not Apple ofc though

But literally same design

[ashen spindle]

then you probably just have an adapter if its not from apple

doubt others have the volume to keep costs as low for a dac

[cursive summit]

BuT It'S NoT As GoOd aS ApPlE If iT's kNoCk OfF

Just get a schiit stack and be set for life

Or JDS

[old marlin]

it might be

from testing most others are worse though

[old marlin]

ah yes, not completely overkill for the headphones at all

[cursive summit]

There is no such thing as overkill

[pale sigil]

Lana uses poo headphonss prob

[cursive summit]

It's future proofing

[pale sigil]

That don't bother using it

[old marlin]

they cost like 3 times of the headphones

that lana uses

[cursive summit]

?

In what universe

[old marlin]

that is the definition of overkill

[old marlin]

lana uses some random gaming headset

[cursive summit]

She does not

It's Cloud IIs she has iirc

[old marlin]

aka

[cursive summit]

And she was thinking of getting AKGs

[old marlin]

random gaming headset

[pale sigil]

XD

[cursive summit]

? In what universe Takstar 52s are random

[pale sigil]

Akg still doesn't justify that combo

[old marlin]

neither does

[cursive summit]

It very much does if you get a K7 series headphone

Which is still sub-200$ and extremely good

[pale sigil]

It's lana

XD

[old marlin]

just spend like 400€ on a headphone setup

smh

while complaining about perf of your pc

[cursive summit]

It's called either hobbies, or a job

[pale sigil]

Also

I have akg

[old marlin]

you usually start a hobby with entry level stuff

[pale sigil]

Still wouldn't spend a fuck ton

On cheap headphones

[old marlin]

zen dac would be more appropriate

still overkill imo

especially if you don't wanna spend a few hundred more on headphones in the next few years

[cursive summit]

So do I

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-astley-rick-roll-dancing-dance-moves-gif-14097983

[cursive summit]

I spent like 100$ on Modi 3+, another 100 on Magni Heresy and 120$ on my K702s

And my god K702s are really good

[pale sigil]

Well that's just silly

:p

[cursive summit]

Your opinion is what's silly

[old marlin]

smh having your own opinions

when vexx clearly is the only one holding the absolute truth

[cursive summit]

It is, when it's wrong

Don't shit on cheap headphones, you can get absolute bangers

[old marlin]

I don't think the k702s are the problem

I would still take K371s instead

[cursive summit]

K702s are superior sound wise, with better build and comfort

[old marlin]

how are they superior sound wise

[cursive summit]

Cause they literally sound better?

Very similar, prolly due to harmann curve

[old marlin]

source: dude just trust me

[cursive summit]

And that's why I like both, cause you can hop between both and have similar experience

[cursive summit]

Source: I literally own both as my daily drivers

[old marlin]

ig they are slightly better tuned

[old marlin]

but stock tuning on my current ones is shit anyways

[cursive summit]

Like I really like how these sounds, they are imo a better purchase than 371s

Now I'm interested in 702 Annies or 712 Pros

The driver was updated for those models, but I really can't justify the price

[cursive summit]

Still need to try out the ol' mate senny for once

[old marlin]

tuning from 1990

but EQ fixes them

[cursive summit]

Ngl I really like the harmann curve target

[ashen spindle]

shit site, doesnt have my headphones listed smh

[old marlin]

yea not shit

that is the point of it

[cursive summit]

Ears got too used to the harmann, now I can't use any headphones other than AKGs

HiFimans got ruined to me cause they sounded too alien

[old marlin]

I present to you

https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/tree/master/results

EQ

[pale sigil]

Oh shit

[cursive summit]

I've heard of that

[old marlin]

voicemeter

[cursive summit]

Actually pretty solid software though

I use it to EQ the 10$ shitty Chinese speakers

[ashen spindle]

oh wow that does have my headsets listed, im surprised

[old marlin]

apoequalizer is easy to install with peace

https://sourceforge.net/projects/equalizerapo/

https://sourceforge.net/projects/peace-equalizer-apo-extension/

first isntall apo

then install peace

and the paste the contents of the results parametric in a txt file

so it looks like that

and import it

https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/blob/master/results/oratory1990/harman_over-ear_2018/Koss ESP95X/Koss ESP95X ParametricEQ.txt

[cursive summit]

I never checked, do the HD 8XXs get fixed with EQ?

[pale sigil]

See now you're making me not want to

[cursive summit]

I am looking into respectably priced high end headphones

[old marlin]

[cursive summit]

8XXs are... eh?

But maybe EQ fixes that atrocity

[old marlin]

why would you buy 8xx

[cursive summit]

Otherwise I'll need to get K872s at some point

[cursive summit]

Looking into reasonably priced high ends

[pale sigil]

We all know beats are the go for high end

[cursive summit]

Since 8XX is basically Sennie 800s but tarnished

[old marlin]

thye are more expensive

than 800s

[cursive summit]

I did try em out actually in a store, to my surprise they actually sound alright, but boy are they bassy and overpriced

Local listings lied then

[old marlin]

used maybe

msrp is higher

afaik

[cursive summit]

Yeah then no point

[pale sigil]

Mum got some free with her contract

Fucking weird that it uses lightning port to charge

[old marlin]

what is the real thing though

oh god

please no

[wheat plume]

Why is it weird? They are owned by Apple

[old marlin]

not aware of anything good from beyerdynamics

[pale sigil]

Just is

[old marlin]

and besides HD600/650 sennheiser has nothing remarkable

[old marlin]

imo

unless you pay out of your ass for HE-1s

which I probably can never afford

used HD600s are better for that

you can get them for 150-200 here

just get new pads and headband

650s usually cost 50€ more

and also need new pads and headband

[pale sigil]

Well the EU one is sadly quiet with my headphones

K612 pro

[plush summit]

F

Thanks anyway

What do you use? Firewalld?

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah

[shadow minnow]

Hmm I have to buy parallels

[empty wren]

MacOS virtualization software

[ashen spindle]

non free VM for macs

[shadow minnow]

Tried free options but there are almost non and one that is doesn’t work almost at all for me

Gotta use micochip studio

[plush summit]

my condolenes.....i tried to use firewalld and it was the hottest garbage i ever did see

[crimson wigeon]

Eh it works well enough for my desktop use, default blocks all and then I can use the simple gooey interface to open up certain ports

[plush summit]

so now im using nftables

nftables are much more granular than iptables

lots of ways to track things properly

[crimson wigeon]

If I needed to do any fancy crap I would definitely step up yes

[plush summit]

ah....

i plan to set up a firewall with outsize, inside, and dmz zones with a linux machine

mangle works with iptables....but you can do allot more with nftables

i was hoping you knew enough to help me check my nf tables rules and see if they werent shit

[cursive summit]

`https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-fsr-2-0-next-level-temporal-upscaling-officially-launches-q2-2022-rsr-launches-march-17th

DLSS killer? Hopefully

[crimson wigeon]

Temporal lanczos

[cursive summit]

Absolutely fantastic that it's supported on all cards

Not just locked to AMD or to a single generation

[ashen spindle]

presents

[cursive summit]

bruh

[ashen spindle]

looks like a weird slide with erros and sorta ugly look for a supposed presentation tbh

but then again its amd so who knows

[cursive summit]

That's not a slide

It appears they have the slide itself, but they aren't sharing it, but the information is from this https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1501998147870019585

VideoCardz.com (@VideoCardz)

@ayxerious @Sebasti66855537 BTW, we got this tip a few days ago 🤔 https://t.co/BqfG4Bg0eD

Twitter · Mar 10, 2022, 7:07 PM

[cursive summit]

So a second hand leak but confirmed by official news

This title specifically is mentioned in the official slides, with a few side-by-side comparisons that we cannot share yet.

I'm pretty sure they can't share whatever info they have yet, so they are sharing a tip from a leaker that corroborates that information

[ashen spindle]

if it werent a leaked slide why watermark bullet points lmao

[cursive summit]

What slide uses bullet points

Also Videocards watermarks literally everything

[ashen spindle]

the second image is from the slide and uses the same fonts, why would the first image not be from the same leak then

[cursive summit]

Their FSR 2.0 images look hella similar to the one they shared on their twitter post

I'm thinking they got the tip, few days later the tip was confirmed, so they are sharing the tip

Cause they can't leak the official slides yet, cause AMD big mad

[ashen spindle]

then they wouldn't leak the other part that is clearly not made by them lmfao

also why would they add a footnote thats not shown if it's just a bullet point from the slide and not the slide itself

[pale sigil]

Why are there no decent sftp clients on android

[cursive summit]

Cause it's android

[shadow minnow]

I mean if it was iOS it would make sense
But why not on Android?

[young pecan]

Because SFTP on a phone is one of those ridiculously niche applications.

[reef patrol]

Jfc... Why is it so hard to get a battery state on my OnePlus phone.

Been at it for a while.

[reef patrol]

I give up... Time to go to a repair shop.

[cursive summit]

I've had enough of this, anyone have a clue of how to create an array of objects for a class, and then pass that array into the class using methods to calculate stuff?

I can't find any material on this, and I've got not much clue really how to achieve any of that

[ashen spindle]

you're doing quite a good lana impression

[cursive summit]

I'm stuck on the "passing array to class" part, my method is not recognising the array

[shadow minnow]

Hmm I uploaded files a lot around one time to mc server from a phone

[cursive summit]

Also, Java programming language

[ashen spindle]

ah there we go

[cursive summit]

And yes I am

[young pecan]

Clearly a massive usecase.