🔌│tech

[old marlin]

tf

so some OEM thing

ig

[wheat plume]

the keys are so much larger than my previous laptop

this will take a bit to get used to

idk which of the two USB C ports are for charging

they both have the same icon beside them

[crisp granite]

Try both

[old marlin]

prob both then

[wheat plume]

no

only one it seems supports power

[crisp granite]

Try both

50/50 chance of breaking something

[wheat plume]

im scared xd

[old marlin]

if you can break something with that you are covered by EU law

[crimson wigeon]

Nah you can charge using both at the same time for doubled charge speed

[old marlin]

and it would be a terrible product

so no loss at all

[wheat plume]

found out who the OEM is! its printed on the bottom of the laptop

Dongguan Iproba Technology Co LTD
Guangdong, China

That's a lot of dongs

[crimson wigeon]

CHYNA

[wheat plume]

is it possible to damage the laptop if I plug in the charger into the wrong usb c port?

[fair gull]

the fuck is that

[reef patrol]

Don't think so. They do a handshake and agree on what can be sent before doing anything. 🙂

[fair gull]

ngl never heard of that company

[fair gull]

unless you are nintendo

and just violate the spec

[wheat plume]

oooh

[wheat plume]

and get flooded with angry customers that bricked their Switch by using 3rd party docks

[reef tundra]

User error is product defect under EU consumer protection

Explicitly mentioned

[wheat plume]

The welcome book is neat

[fair gull]

wha

how is user error a product defect

[wheat plume]

Shows and describes the components in the computers

[timid chasm]

product defect of the human*?

[wheat plume]

we recommend connecting via DisplayPort first
Ayyy!! Nice

[reef tundra]

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/shopping/guarantees-returns/index_en.htm

[wheat plume]

The book shows the keybindings for laptop for key backlighting and volume and such, handy

[reef patrol]

You don't get to decide what constitutes user error however.

[fair gull]

where does it state user error is a product defect

[wheat plume]

Maybe I should boot into the live session, and see what C port charges it

[reef patrol]

If Nintendo breaks common expectancy of what a port does and doesn't warn sufficiently. Their pile of shit to deal with 😄

[fair gull]

yya so as long as they can say rtfm and rtfp

its just user error not a productiom defect or false advertisement

thats why basically all products say its best to use their chargers and stations and cant guarantee that others dont break the device

[reef patrol]

But if you use a standardized plug you're kind of on the hook for following standards 😄

A sentiment I'm sure the EU in PARTICULAR share with their battle to make everything USB-C right now.

[wheat plume]

Aha

[crimson wigeon]

I wonder how many actually do it with voice

[reef patrol]

Oh boy - Is that Cortana? I have - NEVER - seen it.

Cause... it doesn't work in Denmark 😄

[wheat plume]

Doesn't work in Ireland either

[crimson wigeon]

I think I might have tried it once for shits and giggles but gave up because of course it won't understand me perfectly

[wheat plume]

My region was set to USA

[fair gull]

id guess a court would say its okay cause nintendo warns about it on the packaging, manual and website

and tbf they arent using the usb pd spec

nor do they advertise it

[old marlin]

well they have the same physical port next to each other twice, both marked exactly the same on the device

[reef patrol]

USB-C is USB-C 😄

[fair gull]

usb c is a form factor

[old marlin]

if one is used for charging and the other one bricks something on the device by plugging your charger in it

[fair gull]

not a spec of data or power

[reef patrol]

We have this weird concept of handshaking to prevent issues 😛

[old marlin]

the seller has no point in court

ye ik

[fair gull]

thats usb pd mansen

[old marlin]

that is what I mean

[reef patrol]

USB C is still USB C.

[old marlin]

worst case it just doesn't work in one port

best case both charge

[fair gull]

yes they follow usb-c to the letter

[old marlin]

and the "meh" case is something breaks and you don't have to live with a shitty device

[fair gull]

their port is exact usb-c spec

[reef patrol]

If it breaks shit, they clearly don't.

Consumers aren't engineers.

[fair gull]

mansen bruh

[reef patrol]

They see USB, they plug USB.

[fair gull]

are u kinda not reading?

[old marlin]

what

that is the point

[fair gull]

a physical spec doesnt dictate the protocols

[wheat plume]

there is noise coming from usb usb c port

[old marlin]

if one of the ports is capable of breaking something

[wheat plume]

but I no have it connected to anything

[reef patrol]

I am reading - You're arguing things that consumers don't have to concern themselves with legally 😄

[wheat plume]

but I did for a few seconds

[old marlin]

yes

[fair gull]

thats like me saying a poe cable broke my dumb af switch that has an 8p8c connector

not a device defect

[old marlin]

a poe switch is much less consumer hardware

[fair gull]

its user error for being dumb enough to plug a fitting thing into a fitting hole without reading compatibility

[reef patrol]

POE is ... generally not consumer grade equipment.

[fair gull]

didnt say poe switch

[old marlin]

both usb ports are marked the same

poe in general is basically not consumer stuff

[reef patrol]

USB on the other hand is the essence of consumer grade 😄

[old marlin]

and also is usually marked well enough

[fair gull]

A device with a Type-C connector does not necessarily implement USB, USB Power Delivery, or any Alternate Mode: the Type-C connector is common to several technologies while mandating only a few of them.[5][6]

[old marlin]

yes

[latent mural]

idk if people in britain are especially stupid but i've seen people try to force displayport cables into HDMI ports and vice versa all the time even when they're clearly labelled

[old marlin]

if they use standard PD

[fair gull]

they dont

[latent mural]

i don't think people know or care what the labels or plugs are

[old marlin]

and have everything implemented right

[fair gull]

they dont even claim to

[old marlin]

it can't break anything

[fair gull]

afaik the dock uses a lightning bolt

[old marlin]

if it can break anything

[fair gull]

and the switch doesnt have any symbol

[old marlin]

they didn't mark it right

[fair gull]

they also state other power cable may break the device

[fair gull]

they did... they didnt mark it right if it has a pd marking

which it doesnt

[old marlin]

both are marked as just USB

which one charges

[fair gull]

the switch only has 1 port

what

[old marlin]

why are you talking about a switch

[fair gull]

this started from fucking nintendo power supplies

[reef tundra]

Hub or bust

[old marlin]

ah

yea nintendo is just

no question about that

[fair gull]

and third party docks/power cables

[wheat plume]

I just wanna get into the damn desktop

ffs windows

[fair gull]

bruh how long do you take for those lana

takes 30secs max to go through oobe

[old marlin]

ffs windows

[wheat plume]

im going through the windows setup

[old marlin]

why do you have a setup

[wheat plume]

which doesnt show battery percentage

[fair gull]

the setup doesnt even take long

[crimson wigeon]

Or you can just hit ctrl+shift+f3

[old marlin]

haven't seen a linux distro without a setup

that shows battery percentage

[wheat plume]

yeah but thats a live session

[reef tundra]

Why cant it just be like wall no setup reeeeeee

[wheat plume]

so you have the full desktop

[old marlin]

I usually don't use live sessions

just the reg setup shit they have

[fair gull]

you just select lang, keeb, dont connect wifi, type in username, maybe a password, select the bottom option 6 times, select "not now" ure done

[reef tundra]

ssh into your central server like the good old days

[fair gull]

takes 30secs max

[reef patrol]

Gotta install all of the bloatware.

[wheat plume]

Ok, only one USB C port supports charging

The one closest to the front

I tried both and only that one charged it

[reef tundra]

Ofcourse, we dont want to missout on candy crush or some other gambling app, do we?

[fair gull]

sadly have to uninstall those anyWay cause setup doesnt allow you to opt out

and the recommended apps sadly always auto install

[reef tundra]

Delete system32

[fair gull]

really trash imo

[crimson wigeon]

But those preinstalled apps add value to the customer!

[wheat plume]

This is the tighest USB port ever.... wtf

xd cant get the usb drive in

[misty saffron]

YES PLEASE

[wheat plume]

idk how to type | on the laptop keyboard
its on the Z key

[reef tundra]

https://youtu.be/fPq60AoPPlo \

copy paste

ctrl+c and ctrl+v is all you need

[reef patrol]

On Nordic it is Alt+GR and the key left of backspace.

[wheat plume]

wow

[reef tundra]

w.w

[wheat plume]

touchpad is massive

[reef tundra]

You know what else is massive

[wheat plume]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[reef tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-22378372

[crimson wigeon]

Left of.. backspace? ¸ is that it is

¸`˛ is what I can do with it

Pipe is left of Z, which does <>|¦

Oh right ANSI, because people want less keys for some reason

[wheat plume]

the keyboard seems to be on the wrong layer

I try to type L and I get 3

[reef patrol]

ANSI has one key fewer than ISO.

[wheat plume]

cause 3 is on it too

[old marlin]

you prob activated numlock

[wheat plume]

yep......

I did

oo, Intel AX200 in here

Good good, same as my computer

Should have no issues on Linux with this one :D

Sadly can confirm, the power button is not also a fingerprint scanner

[ashen spindle]

With a supposed price of 670 USD, the Core i9 SKU would be 130 USD more expensive than i9-11900K at launch, while the Core i7 would see a big 170 USD price increase over 11700K SKU.

[crimson wigeon]

Sounds about right if it really is amazing performance

[ashen spindle]

more like sounds about right for a much more expensive/error-prone yield

[wheat plume]

there is a faint crackling coming from near the usb ports on the right side

its hardly from plugging the charger into the wrong port? :/

[crimson wigeon]

Nice job breaking it, hero

[ashen spindle]

Exlpode Sequence starting in 5..4..

[wheat plume]

hah

[reef tundra]

Check the grain for a blight

[wheat plume]

the keycaps are massive

compared to my old laptop

[pale sigil]

What laptop

[wheat plume]

and I hate the letters, bad font and quality

but it feels nice

@pale sigil This

[pale sigil]

Ooft

What config

[wheat plume]

Default but with no OS and 1TB SSD

[reef tundra]

Less OS, less errors

[pale sigil]

No GPU?

[wheat plume]

idk how to function lock on this keyboard

well iGPU

[pale sigil]

Lana

😅

[wheat plume]

?

[pale sigil]

Nothing xD

[wheat plume]

what?!

this GPU

Only option lol

[pale sigil]

Why did you buy a custom laptop with basic specs and not just a laptop from a known brand 😅

[wheat plume]

Cheaper

for good specs

16GB ram, 1TB SSD

10th gen core i5

[pale sigil]

2666 soldered 😅

[wheat plume]

its my laptop

idc much

is fine!

[pale sigil]

♥️

[wheat plume]

at least its 16gb

thats more important to me

[pale sigil]

Very true

Mine was 4gb and j just added another stick lol

[wheat plume]

ahah xd

my previous one was 8gb

but idk if there was another slot in it or not

[pale sigil]

Back during the skylake days

[wheat plume]

what gen is skylake?

[pale sigil]

6

[wheat plume]

ahh ok

the screen is nice

and the laptop is so light and thin

I love how it feels to hold and carry

[pale sigil]

Im just glad you didn't get a U cpu

[wheat plume]

oh?

[pale sigil]

Low power/clock cpus

See

[wheat plume]

better battery life though

[pale sigil]

I5 means nothing

If the cpu is a certain modeln

Afaik H series is desktop level perf

[wheat plume]

this is G1

1GHz....thats a tad slow but ok

[pale sigil]

You should be able to play light games

[wheat plume]

I may test Minecraft

Cant test Bedrock cause on Linux

I cant imagine 1.18 running well on this xd cause the new OP terrain

I really dislike the keycaps

[pale sigil]

Did you get g1

[wheat plume]

they are large enough to make me think of those old phones with massive numpad buttons....

Intel Core i5-1035G1

[pale sigil]

Minecraft runs pretty well

https://youtu.be/uE3Of4lZRP8

[wheat plume]

the backlight turns off if you are only using the touchpad for a while

Interesting

[fair gull]

psure there was unofficial bedrock launchers for linux

[wheat plume]

yeah

there is

but its janky af

[fair gull]

like linux

[wheat plume]

Nah xd

[fair gull]

good fit imo

[wheat plume]

maybe on Laptops but on desktops its solid

[pale sigil]

Just install Windows 11

[wheat plume]

ew

xd

[pale sigil]

I'll prob move over to. Linux once d2 supports it

Or well

Battle Eye

[wheat plume]

oh, I need to test the sound

d2?

oh, destiny 2

[pale sigil]

Ye

Irs the main reason duel booting never felt good for me

[wheat plume]

battleye already supports it now, but I doubt existing games will be updated for that

[fair gull]

ill stay on windows cause wsl2

[wheat plume]

and WSA now xd

[pale sigil]

Wsa is awesome

I can finally claim my bounties on pc without visiting the tower or using my phone 😂😂😂😂

[wheat plume]

I keep pressing home instead of backspace

cause its not the last button on the row now

[pale sigil]

I do the same with escape on a full keyboard

[wheat plume]

Speaking of ESC
The ESC key on this laptop is wide af

[pale sigil]

Pic?

[pale sigil]

Ah

Ew backlight

[wheat plume]

...

you dont like backlight?

[pale sigil]

Nu

[reef patrol]

Callum's just jealous. Backlit laptops are awesomesauce.

[pale sigil]

Nuuuu

Unless you can make it pink

[wheat plume]

my previous one had it too

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/goth-sunlight-it-crowd-noel-fielding-gif-12598237

[wheat plume]

I still dont know how to type | on this

[pale sigil]

Take a pic

[wheat plume]

or \

[reef patrol]

Hard to say without knowing your layout 😄

[pale sigil]

Of the full keeb

[wheat plume]

They are on the Z and X keys

using UK layout on the OS also btw

[pale sigil]

Above tab

Shift + that

[wheat plume]

that gives me `

that gives ¬

[reef patrol]

That's a different key 😄

[pale sigil]

Nvm

Shift z

Oh

[crimson wigeon]

That would just be Z

[pale sigil]

You're using UK

You shouldn't really do that

[wheat plume]

then what else?! xd

[pale sigil]

Get used to ansi

[wheat plume]

its a mostly UK layout

the other symbols are in the UK layout location

[pale sigil]

This layout burrs my eyes

[wheat plume]

its odd for sure...

[pale sigil]

So shift z doesn't work?

[wheat plume]

nu

just makes Z

[pale sigil]

Ya fucked

Cos idk

[ashen spindle]

altrgr+z

[pale sigil]

Here comes quin

To the rescue

[wheat plume]

nope

«

gives that

[ashen spindle]

then you are using the wrong layout so look up where it is on w/e you are using

[wheat plume]

im on English UK layout

[reef patrol]

What did the sales page say regarding layout though? 😄

[pale sigil]

Maybe | decided to brexit itself

[ashen spindle]

UK ansi?

tf

[ashen spindle]

shift + # key above your enter

[wheat plume]

~

[ashen spindle]

didnt even know UK ansi would be a thing

so gl I guess

[pale sigil]

Same

🤣

And I live in the UK 😂😂😂

[wheat plume]

I cant ask them for support cause im on Linux

but this happened on Windows too

[ashen spindle]

I mean you still can

[crimson wigeon]

Okay looking at that keyboard again what the shit is that layout

[wheat plume]

IDK!!

xd

[crimson wigeon]

It's cursed

[wheat plume]

dedicated right click key next to right alt

[ashen spindle]

best option would be to not use UK layout in your OS but regular US ansi

right click key is a age old default on laptops...

[wheat plume]

in the images of the laptop on the website, these symbols arent on the Z and X keys

[crimson wigeon]

Right click key?

[ashen spindle]

context menu key

[wheat plume]

the button next to right alt right clicks

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah I never heard it called right click key, it's a menu key

[wheat plume]

oh

TIL

[ashen spindle]

well where is the pipe on the website picture then?

[wheat plume]

cant see it

[fickle ore]

oh yeah I need to buy 60he

still on grubby old tkl

[reef patrol]

Should have bought a Wooting™️ instead of that laptop.

At least you know where the keys are.

[wheat plume]

I needed a new laptop

xd

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

yeah...

[ashen spindle]

or just be a normal person and set an ANSI layout to US and not UK

[crimson wigeon]

I would probably use that as an opportunity to learn a layout like EurKEY and deal with the legends being whack

[reef patrol]

Laptop manufacturers love to fuck with layouts on keyboards.

[wheat plume]

^^

My friend's Lenovo have FN and CTRL swapped

[crimson wigeon]

Pretty sure you can swap those around in the UEFIBIOS setup

[reef patrol]

Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes... not (Grrrr)

[ashen spindle]

if not you can always switch in in windows

just copy a layout and switch the two buttons

[reef patrol]

change FN - A key that doesn't exist on an OS level except Apple

[ashen spindle]

ah hm fair point

wonder if that would still work with wincompose though

[earnest jay]

The laptop I use at work for some things has them swapped as well, it's annoying, I'm always having to double check I'm pressing the right key. 😆

[wheat plume]

these speakers sound real good

[shadow minnow]

Why does MacBook have better memory and GPU for now than my pc. And display, especially the display is just. Really kinda makes me wish, especially with 12th gen this close I wouldn’t have built my pc, and just ran windows in vm or sth

[reef patrol]

Because it costs a liver and an arm.

[ashen spindle]

as he said because it cost more and is a year+ newer tech? But I also doubt the memory makes a difference in anything you'd do

might as well ask why Zen4 and next gen amd/nvidia gpus in a year and half are gonna beat the shit out of current products xD

[wheat plume]

Am I a moron or is this not a thing on ArchLinux.....

HOLDING FN TYPES THE | and \

I just installed Ubuntu Budgie and it works there

but I swear I did it on Arco earlier and it didnt

[reef tundra]

x11 should be doing most of the keyboard handling. Arch doesnt do anything out of the ordinary with that

useful command for getting the keycodes/scancodes is the showkey . Requires root permission. able to run it in my xserver

[crimson wigeon]

Eh I prefer evtest to see the raw evdev events, or wev/xev to see what the graphical environment sees

[reef tundra]

Man pages will guide you

[wheat plume]

oh

X11 handles that

wut, ok then

[reef tundra]

xset r rate 300 50 faster scrolling so you can go brrrrrrrr

[wheat plume]

o.o

no thanks

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/jHwEkX9fFaA

[reef patrol]

Dafuck

[wheat plume]

How remove intel sticker?

[crimson wigeon]

Scratch it off

Heating it first may or may not make it a cleaner removal

[crisp granite]

a bit of heat with a hair dryer

fingernail, peel off sticker

remove remaining adhesive with a nice bottle of IPA

Isopropanol

[wheat plume]

is shiny thicc sticker...

[reef patrol]

Usually you can just use a nail.

[wheat plume]

cant even get a little bit of give on it

[crisp granite]

then quit eating your nails

[reef patrol]

If it leaves a bit of glue, you can use a bit of isopropyl alcohol and lots of rubbing. Don't use nail polisher.

[crisp granite]

they aren't snacks

ffs Lana

[wheat plume]

I dont anymore

[crisp granite]

:D

same lol

[wheat plume]

ayyy xd

mostly cause I want my nails long so I can paint them

[crisp granite]

I just wasn't really enjoying the infections I got on my nailbeds and the tips of my fingers

so I quit

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wheat plume]

O.o

[crisp granite]

oh

also

it hurt a lot and it was unslightly

part of the reason I couldn't really ever and still can't hold a pencil properly

just put a glass screen protector on it

and cry when it cracks and you have to peel it off in a week

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chrome estuary]

in a week?

i've never had a glass screen protector crack

[crisp granite]

I replaced my protector on my smartphone and it was cracked in 5 days

I guess it is completely a luck thing then

[chrome estuary]

damn dude

[crisp granite]

I don't abuse my tech either

[reef patrol]

Never cracked a screen - Which is great cause I can't stand protectors.

[crisp granite]

the thing is the screens are always fine

I've never even chipped a screen

it's the protectors that get destroyed, so I usually don't bother

decided I'd try once more

LOLNOPE

annoying the fuck out of me?

that's pretty much all it does anyway

I prefer glass over silicone myself

playing anything on a plastic screen is ghetto as shit lol

[wheat plume]

OLED Switch is a glass screen

the scatter protection

I wish I did

[reef patrol]

Helps with key scratches and such. And often takes the brunt of a light fall.

But I'd still recommend a bouncy corner case first.

My insurance company doesn't agree with that take on life 😄

No... I have an all purpose insurance 😛

It's quite common to have all purpose around here. And no - I don't break my phone ever 😄

[ashen spindle]

you need to remember non american systems often aren't a total scam 😛

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

nobody insures their phone.. it falls under a general insurance that cover basically anything that isn't car/health

so the one covering me if my phone breaks is the same that covered me back in school when I broke some really expensive chemistry things and they full took care of it lol

think it even overlaps with house insurance on some areas

idk dont own a house or live in those areas

[wheat plume]

hah!

[reef tundra]

US infrastructure is a joke.

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/vF4t60WZtco

LOL

[reef tundra]

dd root fixes all

https://tenor.com/view/rock-dwayne-douglas-johnson-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-gif-4768410

[wheat plume]

this isnt using ytdl xd

[reef tundra]

it gets the stream you tell it to

[wheat plume]

^ and defaults to best possible

No ytdl needed

does it?

oh

fair....

[crimson wigeon]

Not really, it just supports calling it up as needed

[wheat plume]

LOL

@prisma crag is optional

at least on Arch repo

[reef tundra]

Snap? are you thanos or somethin

[crimson wigeon]

That's just homebrew being bad and not supporting recommends (?)

[wheat plume]

fucking hate snaps

no

I have it installed from the repo, not snap

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/9cXDDBWux5M

[timid chasm]

I just overheard a conversation on i7 and i5's and I heard the phrase "if you're gonna need more threading you need to make sure the hertz match"

Fucking. What.

"maybe not a complete shutdown but a restart"

https://tenor.com/view/umm-confused-blinking-okay-white-guy-blinking-gif-7513882

[empty wren]

Would be nice to have a 8thread 8ghz all cores stock cpu

[timid chasm]

I want so badly to know more or ask questions but I don't dare.

"when you start putting platform on top of platform you're gonna need a computer that can push"

WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN. WHAT COULD IT MEAN

[crisp granite]

holy shit

this is why sometimes, culling the herd is easy to justify

[reef tundra]

Ah yes, thermodynamics is an illusion anyway. Just a bunch of vibrating particles. just tell them to stop and you dont have to face the reality

Oh boy after like 5ghz you need to wonder if you just need more processors

[young pecan]

Ngl I'm up for multi CPU stuff again.

Pretty pog systems, those.

[iron wave]

A 2xZEN3 system would be radical.

256 threads.

[young pecan]

Yep.

[iron wave]

That's what, 4TB of RAM?

[young pecan]

Something or so, yeah.

[iron wave]

128 PCI-e 4 lanes, I think.

[young pecan]

Make the most unholy of RAID arrays.

Just RAID-0 striped across 30 something drives.

[iron wave]

Oh no, throw like 32 GPUs on it for AI.

[young pecan]

Lmfao.

32 GPU mining rig.

[iron wave]

That's a huge waste.

[young pecan]

Hardly.

I mean think about Epyc, right?

Could easily throw 30 GPUs on that, and the system might be a wee bit more unstable.

Each GPU would be doing 8 USD a day.

250 USD per day.

You could pay the CPU off in a week.

[iron wave]

Cryptocurrency is a huge waste of resources and needs to go away.

[young pecan]

Kinda.

Crypto is fantastic, but PoW needs to vanish.

PoW is way to inefficient.

[iron wave]

Cryptography is great.

[young pecan]

PoS or PoC are much more sustainable.

But not PoW.

[iron wave]

The entire thing just needs to go away.

[young pecan]

That's extremely short sighted.

But hey, multiple point of view.

Why does Crypto need to vanish?

[iron wave]

Crypto is good. Cryptocurrency is a huge waste of resources.

[young pecan]

Ok but why?

See I can get PoW being a massive resource sink, that much is obvious.

But PoW isn't the only consensus mechanism.

[iron wave]

Okay so imagine being able to stop using the power generated by all the solar panels in the world overnight by not wasting the electricity on nothing.

Or not eating through thousands of flash chips in months.

[young pecan]

Ok yes, but PoW is the only consensus mechanism that results in that much power draw.

PoS, for example, is 99.97% more efficient to sustain a network.

[iron wave]

Or making so much electronic waste trying to mine this crap in general.

[young pecan]

Again, PoW is the only mechanism resulting in that.

[iron wave]

Yes it's a Piece of S***.

[young pecan]

You seem to be both super uneducated in regard to crypto and only aginst PoW.

[iron wave]

Cryptography is amazing.

[young pecan]

Why not be for PoS? It functions basically the same and has all of the benefits with little of the waste.

[iron wave]

We are using it right now in fact!

[young pecan]

'Cause so far all you've done is mention how PoW is bad, which it is.

Nobody is actually going to argue that it uses too much power and resources.

But... why hate cryptocurrency when PoS exists?

Or what about PoC? PoP?

PoW is only one in a pretty damn big mess of consensus mechanisms.

[iron wave]

The only ones I know of waste resources in one form or another.

[young pecan]

Yes I know you've put no research in.

Look, PoW is the one you hate, and for good reason.

It uses GPUs to hash a solution to a problem, more GPUs is faster hashrate is more money, that's the issue.

[iron wave]

There's that fake green one that destroys storage.

[young pecan]

That's PoC (Proof of Capacity).

There's also Proof of Coverage.

[iron wave]

Bitcoin and all the related ones also spawned all those ASICs that are just waste.

[young pecan]

And Proof of Network Transfer.

And Proof of Stake.

And Proof of Holding.

A few other smaller ones.

But look, you seem to like cryptography, and also for great reason.

But don't hate cryptocurrecy because you don't know everything about it.

Say when Ethereum goes Proof of Stake next year are you gonna start loving it? High market cap with good utility, only this time it'll be faster, have no fees, and be more power efficient.

[iron wave]

They have been saying that for years.

I don't believe them.

[young pecan]

Then like Cardano.

That is PoS and has been for years now.

Or Helium, that's based on Proof of Coverage.

[iron wave]

Do you know anything about these? You're just throwing terms around without explaining them.

[young pecan]

I know a fair bit about them, yes.

This is my business interest, after all.

So Proof of Stake changes traditional miners for nodes, each node requires a currency stake and acts to validate transactions on a network.

If the transaction is fraudulent it gets taken out of the stake holder.

If it's legitimate the stake holder takes a fee.

It serves the same purpose as a GPU, but is only a single machine instead of many, and serves a more important purpose.

I'm not quite so sure about that. We'll see where it ends up going, but I can see some use.

[iron wave]

NFTs are the closest thing and they are a scam.

[young pecan]

No.

Conceal.

Private banking and communications. Early stages rn, but hyper promising.

[iron wave]

I can't wait for the bubble to really burst.

There are like, 2 real world uses at most for "block chain" and they are nothing like cryptocurrency.

[young pecan]

Extreme short sightedness.

Of every major technological advance this has been said and screeched. All of them.

Maybe crypto goes nowhere, but there's a reasonable chance it does.

[iron wave]

Crypto has taken off all over.

Cryptocurrency hasn't.

[young pecan]

On the contrary it has gone places in 10 years.

[iron wave]

HTTPS is the most common example of crypto.

[young pecan]

The tech went from barely held together with spit and dreams to very mature in it's little pockets.

[iron wave]

Yeah now stupid middle class people are putting money in.

Green energy production.

It uses it all up.

[young pecan]

Nothing at the moment, but the tech has some very interesting things you can do.

Actually secure money transfer that isn't purely cash, for example.

[iron wave]

Uses a lot of silicon and crap too.

[young pecan]

Fuck I've had use out of that.

[iron wave]

It's been a decade.

If it was really that important it would have blown up like the world wide web.

[young pecan]

Ah, but that's not what this is.

It's not a new infrastructure that humanity has never seen, but some projects, a minority, can be some really nice upgrades.

Dude, it's because all I have hope in with crypto have been around for less than 2 years.

I'm not interested in PoW, I don't care about bitcoin.

It is a money waste for idiots, absolutely.

[iron wave]

Crypto was invented in 1900BC.

[young pecan]

But I have a few projects I can see utility in, and I want them to succeed.

[iron wave]

In Egypt.

[young pecan]

Helium could easily splinter into something amazing, so could Conceal or Eth if it ever hits PoS, Cardano is actually amazing as well.

99.99% of the time it's all useless, but sometimes it's interesting.

[iron wave]

I can't wait for other countries to catch up to China.

[young pecan]

None of which I agree with.

I dislike PoW as a consensus mechanism, it's why I'm going into PoS and PoC mechanisms.

[iron wave]

And boat loads of ewaste.

[cursive summit]

To be fair if you don't agree with it doesn't matter it's not a fact

[young pecan]

That it is.

[cursive summit]

Yeah crypto so far has been massive shambles, and just made the world worse

[young pecan]

But I don't agree with how they're done, I'd change it if I could is what I mean.

[iron wave]

I'm spitting facts and you're speculating.

[young pecan]

I'd rather PoW vanish and PoS/C come into play.

[cursive summit]

There should be like one coin or something if we want to at least try to make a joint world-wide currency

Not millions of them

[young pecan]

I'd also rather we had something tied to gold and backed.

Fuck I want that so much.

[cursive summit]

Good woodcutting

[iron wave]

The one coin is the penny. /s

[young pecan]

Realistically I could see crypto being supremely useful if we just had a currency backed by gold that was tied in with traditional banking services.

[cursive summit]

What also gives crypto a horrible image is when you pay influencers to promote some random ass "OMG NEW SUPER COIN IS HERE BUY IT", increase its value and literally cash it out leaving gullible people in the dust

Now that, is fucking scummy

[young pecan]

Fuck ikr.

Fuck all of those dickheads.

Pump&Dump isn't something that should have ever come to light.

[iron wave]

Musk with dodge. Hahaha.

[cursive summit]

To be fair I also believe that Ether or whatever the name of it is, is a good idea

Bitcoin for a real currency

And ether for "fueling science"

So, contribute hashes to scientific experiments and get "paid"

That's not a terrible idea you know

Just, don't cause a global chip shortage

[young pecan]

Oh I goddamn wish.

I really want FAH coin.

Get paid for solving science.

I'd slay a crowd of people for that to be a widely used thing.

[cursive summit]

Woah man ease up Hitler

[young pecan]

If it means FAH coin I'm willing to tear gas a small hall of people.

They'll be fine.

[cursive summit]

At least it's tear gas and not zyklon

[young pecan]

Yeah I have limits.

Apparently tear gas makes you breathe super clearly.

Just throws the mucus out of your body.

[cursive summit]

Distribute it to asthmatics?

[young pecan]

[iron wave]

Running F@H during the cold months is great.

Same efficiency as my crappy climate control system and it helps scientists.

[young pecan]

I'm in the process of designing a FAH machine.

Optimally I want it to be nearish 20 grand once GPU prices return to normal.

One day.

[iron wave]

My i7-3770K and two 960s don't do much work.

[young pecan]

Actually I can probably just dunk it into a Novec bath once I finish it for my mining hardware.

Overclock the flying fuck out of them.

[iron wave]

Honestly I want to get into ML and that's the same hardware you'd want for F@H.

[timid chasm]

There's what, 2 cards that manage 8 usd a day? Who wants to drop that much on 30 of those.

[young pecan]

shrugs I would if the damn things were reasonably priced.

[timid chasm]

I know a 3090 can manage 8/day but not sure what else can

[young pecan]

3080Ti.

3090Ti as well.

[timid chasm]

right but that isn't out

[young pecan]

shrugs

[reef patrol]

Yes - And I hate it.

[chrome estuary]

i'm thinking when i upgrade my PC. I'm going to remove all HDDs from it, grab a single 12TB HDD and use it for simple backup stuff like yarr harr game installers, movies, tv shows, and other stuff I could get back easily enough.

[pale sigil]

Why not a NAS

Prob cheaper than a 12tb ssd LMFAO

Ah

You can get a decent NAS quite cheap

[wheat plume]

Use a Pi for the controller
You can get a board that plugs into it that has either sata ports or m.2 slots to use

[pale sigil]

Bleh

I don't think pi would be super great as a NAS

[wheat plume]

Wait nvm
I don't think it has native support for sata yet

[pale sigil]

You'd use usb

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/ahrdx3TYxZc

[pale sigil]

is there a reason i cant drag and drop with 7zip?

i moved from winrar for the first time in my life

and its a pita

[crimson wigeon]

You can't? News to me!

[pale sigil]

https://mrpl.me/q75010b_rfh4.mp4

oh

its my explorer

i use a modded client

guess it doesn;t run as admin

or does

and 7zip dont

ye

it is

still has issues

sadly

[crimson wigeon]

Oh UWP.. sad that MS has officially abandoned it

[pale sigil]

why

no one liked it

[crimson wigeon]

True, but now it means that app is being built on a framework that's dead and well they're probably gonna try to make it a good old win32 thing

[fair gull]

using 7zip in 2021

smh

[pale sigil]

what do you suggest

[crimson wigeon]

For some reason I've been using PeaZip lately

[fair gull]

for zips i feel like windows does a good job itself

[misty saffron]

winrar

[fair gull]

for the rest i use bandizip nowadays cause it can literally do anything including some snarky language changing for extracting and packaging

so windows code pages line up

[reef patrol]

unpacks folder

Folder pops up, you try to interact with it, Windows unpack takes over and forces itself into the front of the screen

Oh sure. GREAT experience 😛

[fair gull]

double click

and then copy paste or whatever

or run from there

[pale sigil]

[reef patrol]

Probably used the wrong ZIP compression or something 😄

[pale sigil]

https://mrpl.me/j55013b_rfF9.mp4

lmfao

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/z0SBsV3i-_c

I love this script <3

installs and rices Arch + Plasma for you

ok, I wanna do this now hahha

[crimson wigeon]

It's distro hop o'clock

[wheat plume]

xd got new laptop yesterday and Ubuntu Budgie has some issues

[ashen spindle]

so looks like intel GPUs will be around 3080 pricing, lets hope so too is the performance and all

[reef patrol]

I read that as CPU and had a mild heart attack.

[ashen spindle]

I mean..

got bad news for you

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

that is 3080 msrp territory

[cursive summit]

Sixteen core?

That sounds like deception and lies

More like 6+10

[old marlin]

it is 8p and 8e cores?

24 threads total

since only p cores HT

[ashen spindle]

I mean we could also look at the point that 12th gen is a lot more experience to make instead of scalpers who aren’t really an issue for cpus, but whatever floats your boat

[wheat plume]

Hehehe

Pure Arch Linux time

[ashen spindle]

microcenter has them according to the webpage, but that still means it's a bad distribution if we clearly have enough in the EU and not a real shortage

[old marlin]

yea idk wtf the US is doing

CPU shortage basically was not a thing the past 2 years

besides 5000 series launch

for like a month

with certain models

uh yea

rn

[cursive summit]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/RPCS3-PlayStation-3-emulator-can-now-boot-every-PS3-game.574488.0.html

[reef patrol]

Neat

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/TMrWQxTQeLo

LOL, another video about it

[pale sigil]

ayyup

reverb is sold on steam?

[crimson wigeon]

Not really.. and meh, kinda waiting to see whatever Deckard is

[true quest]

been there a while

only links to the real website

[Categories]>[VR Hardware] will show you all

[wheat plume]

I was about to ask that

[timid chasm]

there's a new revision of the G2 so if you're looking for one make sure you get the new one.

[pale sigil]

oh i wont

id get a quest

[timid chasm]

it's visuals are fucking nice though. Just that mediocre tracking

quest 2 I assume

[pale sigil]

i hav e a legacy account lol

[timid chasm]

I just meant I assume you'd get a quest 2 instead of a 1

cause I think you'd not like the SDE on the 1 considering how picky you get with stuff 😛

[wheat plume]

SDE?

Idk vr terms yet

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-instinct-mi250x-with-mcm-gpu-to-feature-110-compute-units-128gb-hbm2e-memory-and-500w-tdp#disqus_thread

SC21 is 14-19 november so I expect we get CDNA2 and maybe next gen nvida card infos there

[timid chasm]

Screen door effect. Like when you're on a screened in porch and you're looking out. It's similar to that

some are worse than others

[wheat plume]

I dont understand

[latent mural]

like when you're too close to a panel and you can see between the pixels

that's SDE

[wheat plume]

oh, like a mesh panel

[timid chasm]

yah

Like this but in tech

[wheat plume]

hhmmmmmm

that occurs if the resolution too low?

[timid chasm]

I think a few things influence it but resolution and panel quality are part of it, I believe

[wheat plume]

ahh

[timid chasm]

I've only used the quest 1 and reverb G2 and the visuals on the G2 are great. You just need a beat of a GPU to run near the resolution of the headset

even with our 3090 it's a struggle sometimes

[wheat plume]

o.o

dafuq is the reoslution?!

[timid chasm]

like 2160x2160 per eye?

[wheat plume]

o.o

dammnn

[empty wren]

Varjo may have gotten rid of it in the center

But that thing is even more tough to run with 4 displays

[timid chasm]

I don't know anything about Varjo but their page for a product mentions "human eye resolution VR". What the fuck is that supposed to mean

[true quest]

no mic or speakers either

[empty wren]

It means microled at 1920x1080

[true quest]

huge pass

[true quest]

no sde

[timid chasm]

sounds like nonsensical buzz words to me

[true quest]

unless you're a beekeeper

[empty wren]

Yeah, but the everything is so crisp

[timid chasm]

the G2 basically does that though with the center being clearer than the outer edges

I would like to see that part fleshed out with NVIDIA too. I forget what they called it originally

dynamic foveated rendering*

[timid chasm]

The only bad part about needing it in the center is if the headset moves at all you definitely notice it

[empty wren]

Well not sure how big it is

But there a solution to that too

Pimax

But that probably needs two graphics cards or something

[timid chasm]

when GPUs get there maybe lol

Also that price for the Varjo's. Goddamn

[empty wren]

Yeah meant for Enterprise currently

And they stuck everything they possibly could in it

[true quest]

except mic and headphones

[empty wren]

Oh right

[timid chasm]

they should send one to Ty for a through the lense comparison*

[timid dome]

Anyone around to help with wooting analog sdk? I keep getting access errors upon calling wooting_analog_uninitialise

[ashen spindle]

#🤖│community_dev is probably where smeone who knows about it would look first

[timid dome]

👌

[timid chasm]

or just get index tracking and base stations for the g2

the tracking isn't the best but it's fine for most things that aren't fast paced or if you don't flail

like my wife flails in beat saber but it's fine for me since I stay within a certain range

[empty wren]

Inside out tracking sounds average

Takes up precious space inside which could be used for a bigger battery

[timid chasm]

yeah I mean it has a lower ceiling potential than anything with base stations

[empty wren]

And then you need even more cameras than base stations typically

[timid chasm]

well no need for a battery with a g2. Makes more sense for a quest

[empty wren]

I mean I think people want a untethered experience

But it has big downsides

[timid chasm]

Personally I'll pass on wireless

[empty wren]

Quest 2 has an ass screen

So washed out

[empty wren]

Wireless also introduces compression so fair

[timid chasm]

My main thing for VR is visuals. At least until we get to a good place for everything else

I like shit like putt putt so I want it to look good at least

[empty wren]

Well refresh rate is there

[timid chasm]

Well with the resolution of the G2 I can't expect much more than 90 hz. Nothing would run it anyway, lol

[empty wren]

Though not liking the trend of lcd screens

Oh right resolution is big mediocre for the most oart

[timid chasm]

and honestly I never would've pulled the trigger if it wasn't discounted. I think they were marked down to 300 and something usd. Probably should've known they were planning something like a new revision

they were trying to move leftover inventory

[empty wren]

At this point any headset minus mixed reality might be fine

I remember a time where phones had a better resolution than vr headsets

[timid chasm]

I haven't ran into any WMR issues that are more annoying than the quest issues I've encountered

[empty wren]

Quest issues?

[timid chasm]

issues when using the quest

[empty wren]

Like?

[timid chasm]

Just shit like it pretending the usb cable isn't 3.0 when it really is

swap cables and it's fine, use the cable that just said it was 2.0 and it's magically 3.0 again lol

[empty wren]

e.e

I always found it weird the quest works over usb

If only that special vr port stuck around

[timid chasm]

which port?

[empty wren]

Uh hold on

[reef patrol]

The USB C on GPUs.

Specifically for VR?

[empty wren]

Virtual link

Is what it was called

And yes USB c I think

[timid chasm]

oh, I used it some on my 2080 and it was...iffy too it seemed

[empty wren]

It never really got properly supported

Then got dropped

[timid chasm]

honestly I can't see anybody not comfortable with troubleshooting wanting anything to do with PCVR

[empty wren]

Yeah which is why the quest 2 exists

[timid chasm]

yeah but ugh

[empty wren]

Well fair response but so many people could care less about the computer

And they want to do da thing

It is like a console

Except mobile

[timid chasm]

yeah that makes sense cause I kinda hate consoles 😂

so it makes sense I'd be against that too

[shadow minnow]

Do I update to windows 11?

[crisp granite]

just

no

...

at least, not yet

[shadow minnow]

Yeah, should not be as bad as intel, but from what I have heard it’s still quite bad

Curious if it would fix my DP issues in DP 1.4 mode though

[crisp granite]

boi, the only DP issue you have is that you aren't getting DP-ed

[shadow minnow]

And people having same issue with different GPUs and monitors it’s strange

[empty wren]

The operating system got released and so many people have different configurations

[shadow minnow]

I mean monitor issue with strange boot sequence and windows not showing up without reconnecting cable

And sometimes it causing bios reset

[empty wren]

Anything is possible

[shadow minnow]

Finally have access to my pc for a week

[empty wren]

Or rather more could be one event related indirectly

[young pecan]

It's not all that bad.

Fairly buggy and annoying to work around, but it's not nearly as bad as the screeching that happens would tell you.

So many reports of seemingly the OS just dying and nothing works and it's all so frustrating!
Yeah kinda but also no. There's a fair bit of general buggyness and some instability, but rarely are you going to find things outright not working.

A weird bug I found is Guilded is just always open in the background and whenever I close anything it pops back up into the foreground, which is annoying. I don't really use Guilded much so it isn't bad, but if you did you can just run the bitch in Win8 compat mode and it just works again.

[iron wave]

Honestly I might not update.

[cursive summit]

https://wccftech.com/intel-alder-lake-mobility-cpu-benchmarks-leaked-faster-than-the-apple-m1-max-smokes-amd-5980hx-11980hk/

[shadow minnow]

Well, I can avoid that by limiting it to DP 1.2
Not the best, but the iGPU is not that powerful either, even though losing HDR kinda sucks.

[shadow minnow]

Why does my pc not show windows 11 in windows update

[reef patrol]

Because it's a slow rollout. You have to force download it if you REALLY want it now.

Same case with Win10 back in the day.

[timid chasm]

So does making a win11 boot stick with rufus just take forever or is mine froze

aaaand it's done, ok nvm

[reef patrol]

Why would you use Rufus? 😄

[timid chasm]

cause I like rufus

What's the alternative? Windows?

[reef patrol]

The official tool, yeah.

[timid chasm]

and rufus lets you disable tmp/secure boot

[reef patrol]

Hah... for now anyway I guess 😄

[timid chasm]

yeah true. I never liked the official tool for some reason

been years since I've used it though

[wheat plume]

I like it if you just wanna get the latest ISO

or burn it to USB without downloading it first

[timid chasm]

I mean

you gotta download it 😛

[wheat plume]

it doesnt keep the ISO if you only choose to burn it to USB

[timid chasm]

I gotcha

rufus is handy for downloading other versions

[wheat plume]

true

Im surprised

[timid chasm]

cause it's irish?

[wheat plume]

Nautilus has a menu bar

but its never used or displayed in the app

I only saw it cause I have a global menu enabled

same happens with Discord actually

The fact that snapchat makes the app preview solid black in the recents menu means that the screenshot feature in Android 11 and above will no longer work cause its just showing a black screen for the app

GG Snapchat, GG

but also fuck you

[halcyon moss]

i really dislike mac style menu bars.

especially on large screens

[edgy perch]

Oh, hi fellow GOS user.

[timid chasm]

hey guys, which shipping method do I want?

[reef patrol]

[timid chasm]

total of $298 vs $10,234

[empty wren]

Must be one nice letter packaging

[wheat plume]

TIl about UwUfetch

It's like neofetch but UwU

.... Fucking cursed

[timid chasm]

I don't know any of those words apart from uwu...and I'm okay with that

[timid chasm]

and I'm okay with that

[wheat plume]

LOL

[timid chasm]

oh wait its this

[wheat plume]

Its a terminal system info thing

But UwU

[timid chasm]

Lana in a nutshell

[wheat plume]

oo....

indeed

Why neofetch got so many GPU models listed?

🤔 I see

hmmm

odd but ok!

wow

ArcOwO LinUwU

I wonder what it does to Ubuntu?!

UwUbUwUntUwU?

Im crying :')

cursed and glorious at the same time

[timid chasm]

like if you were trying to say ubuntu while on a really bumpy road

or..something else

[wheat plume]

OMFH

I just noticed....
"Nyavidia"

LOL YES

Its also combing the resolution into one

idk why

3840 x 1080

[reef tundra]

🤷 it sometin

[wheat plume]

HentaiBox

Why you got 3 screens and 2060 for that?! Xd

[reef tundra]

More screens more productivity

[wheat plume]

yes, productivity