🔌│tech

[old marlin]

since prices can fluctuate like hell

[wheat plume]

It should say IP changes maybe, cause I did not change the hostname

Whatever, Im glad it works

[cursive summit]

The cheapest edition of the Steam Deck with eMMC mem

Now we know that the mem is in fact in the M.2 slot

So, in theory, replacing it with a 1TB 2242 shtick, wouldn't that just not boot the Deck into SteamOS?

[old marlin]

you can replace it

valve seemingly has some concerns with EMI shielding

in regards to the SSD

ig we will know when they start shipping review units at least

[cursive summit]

Yeah I am aware of that, I'm just interested in where the SteamOS data is stored

Wouldn't I have to reinstall SteamOS on my new SSD if I trashed the eMMC one

[wheat plume]

just use the SD card for extra storage

Apparently, it is just as fast but I doubt it would be just as fast as an m.2 ssd

[reef patrol]

According to Linus, Valve did a blind test with the previews and wouldn't tell who had what model. And no one could tell any difference in performance at a glance.

(Of course this will depend on your use case, but they all played games)

But does it MATTER. Most multiplayer games have countdowns.

[pale sigil]

Yo

I just shat myself

My rasberry pi went full on demon mode

It was like 10x louder than this at firdt... I panicked thinking it was my desktop

[wheat plume]

wtf

check the fan blades hitting the fan case

[pale sigil]

Just unplugged it for Joe

Now

Cba

Fan is only really necessary during the summer

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Iz06nVAJc

[halcyon moss]

q1 😮

i couldnt order on the day itself because steam was not accepting my payment 😦

[wheat plume]

;-;

I am after Q2

thats freaking Q3

.-.

[crisp granite]

._.

look on the positive side

if the steam deck actually sucks at launch for one reason or another, you get plenty of time to see the issues ironed out or you can cancel

[timid dome]

@wheat plume was my reply helpful or did you not get around to it yet

[fair gull]

idk why you wouldnt use integer

[timid dome]

I did explain it

[fair gull]

ah dang it

i didnt see it

would u mind explaining it again?

[wheat plume]

it worked :D thanks so much!

[timid dome]

lol no

[halcyon moss]

how did you not see that thorough explanation with many pictures? :p

[wheat plume]

^

[ashen spindle]

m

[fair gull]

idk id use integers

[ashen spindle]

r/woosh guys

[timid dome]

I don't get why you would use integers in any case where decimals are desired.

Now, that being said, I did provide a solution with ints.

👍

[halcyon moss]

noone was asking for promille 😉

[crimson wigeon]

Because you want a fixed amount of precision idk

[timid dome]

And yes, I mean any case. there are other memory representations like C#'s decimal type

[ashen spindle]

can we go back a bit and first agree on "op" not being a good function name 😛

[crimson wigeon]

This looks Java however which I avoid like the plague

[halcyon moss]

haha true

[misty saffron]

a byte is a 1-byte signed integer, which stores integers (as in the math term, no decimals behind the 1s place) in the range [-128, 127]

[halcyon moss]

probably means operand ?

[misty saffron]

is this actually how it is in java

[wheat plume]

not my function name, I just had to show I can implement an interface

and add more operations to the calculator without chaging any existing code

[halcyon moss]

ah teachers teaching you bad naming conventions 🙂

[timid dome]

yeah. it do be that way in java.

[misty saffron]

byte is signed

[wheat plume]

One of my lecturers last year used single characters as variable names 🤦‍♀️

[halcyon moss]

no not operand, that would be the numbers... operator would be the correct one

[wheat plume]

^

[halcyon moss]

is that teacher a mathematician by chance?

[timid dome]

yeah, c's equivalent is char which is also signed.

java just is bad™️ and doesn't have the unsigned keyword

just a thought

[wheat plume]

idk

[halcyon moss]

here i am.. writing in javascript with just a Number, which is a double. no other numeric types, no Decimal

[misty saffron]

char isn't an integer type in c

[halcyon moss]

ppl like to shit on Python a lot, but at least it has proper number types. (RIGHT TONY?)

[misty saffron]

you never use char for anything other than characters

there is BYTE in winapi headers and (u)int8_t in c++ for bytes

[halcyon moss]

arguably not even for text. because unicode

[misty saffron]

wchar_t

WCHAR in winapi headers if you're feeling like it

[crimson wigeon]

while true, int8_t is probably just a char in disguise so it's functionally equivalent

[timid dome]

i mean, it is, but everyone uses unsigned char

[misty saffron]

tell the everyone they're not following the basic guidelines

[timid dome]

in what way? I don't see any problem with using either as a byte of memory

unless you're compiling with some compiler where sizeof(char) != 1

but i have not heard of such a thing

[misty saffron]

see, you've answered your own question

[timid dome]

and I also said that in practice, what sane compiler has sizeof(char) != 1

[fair gull]

cause i can store 64bit integers for each side

[misty saffron]

you're disregarding the huge amount of platforms

[timid dome]

this.

[fair gull]

and then use some string concat to add the decimal back in

easy

[misty saffron]

like, how big is wchar_t?

easy question

[fair gull]

sizeof wchar_t sized

[timid dome]

I don't see any issues with using a char as a memory buffer.

at least, no huge ones

[misty saffron]

yea just that your code will potentially not work as intended on a different platform

[fair gull]

this is c god hollow vs new coding intern

[timid dome]

this is way slower than float or double math. there's hardware for that.

[fair gull]

psure int math is way fastrr

but sure

[timid dome]

if that were the case then why would float exist

[ashen spindle]

I'll stay in my c# corner and nod and listen to these crazy tics of other languages

[misty saffron]

you're actually violating the standard if you assume that char is 8 bits everywhere

[fair gull]

cause its dumb to store a float in 2 ints

[crimson wigeon]

I assume it's a byte which is at least 8 bits

[timid dome]

memory buffers don't have to be one byte and exactly one byte

????

[fair gull]

so how do you know many bytes/bits ur buffer is long

if you dont know the length of char

[timid dome]

length / sizeof(char)

or whatver

[misty saffron]

or just

uint8_t array of size x?

guaranteed to be x bytes on any platform

[timid dome]

yes, you could do that. I don't see any problem with using chars and sizeof(char), though

[misty saffron]

i see you haven't yet dealt with wchar_t on linux and windows

[fair gull]

reserving more memory than potentially needed

[misty saffron]

^

[fair gull]

my c mentor would pummel me to death for char buffers

[timid dome]

how would that happen?

malloc(size_desired / sizeof(char));

[misty saffron]

what in the flying fuck are you doing

why are you using malloc

[fair gull]

lol

[misty saffron]

blink twice if you're forced to use c99

[fair gull]

tmw i was forced to draw circles with pure int math to have the best arch support cause not every arch has floats/doubles

[misty saffron]

i mean

if you want an easy example

no fp math in kernel

[fair gull]

ngl im glad i was basically forced to learn c in this rather minimal and simple way

[timid dome]

yeah but you probably should use floating-point when available.

[misty saffron]

actually floating point math is about as fast (or even faster) as integer math on modern cpus

[fair gull]

still not on every mcu/cpu tho

[misty saffron]

correct

[fair gull]

was the main point my teach drove home

[misty saffron]

moral of the story

please don't violate the standard

it's there for a reason

[timid dome]

is there a predefined macro that tells you if the arch has floating-point support?

[misty saffron]

https://files.lhmouse.com/standards/ISO C N2176.pdf

page 389

An implementation that defines __STDC_IEC_559__ shall conform to the specifications in this annex

[timid dome]

so yes, you can use floats when available and int math otherwise?

[reef patrol]

The Ryzen performance fix is out on Insider Beta ring for anyone curious.

[pale sigil]

Bhahahahahahah

Apple charging for siri in apple music

[misty saffron]

no

it’s a cheaper plan

[pale sigil]

M1 Pro announced

70% more perf than the m1

Another one announced....

M1 MAX

10 core o.0

Did j hear thatt right

[ashen spindle]

yeah it's just missing the fact those 1.7x performance seem to come at 2x the powerdraw 😛

[crisp granite]

😳

welp, my one issue with the M1 was that the battery life was too good

problem solved

[crimson wigeon]

So how about M1 PRO MAX

[crisp granite]

🔥

🚒

🧯

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/6m-rain-wallstreet-make-it-rain-gif-8203989

[crisp granite]

and that

lots of money

mmmm

my wallet is gonna be empty as fuck

…might trade in my iPad if that’s an option tbh

[pale sigil]

2012 called, they want their dubstep back.

[crisp granite]

for a…M1 Max mobile device

[pale sigil]

That's one chonky laptop

[crisp granite]

woooooooo

send pic

pls

[ashen spindle]

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17016/the-apple-2021-fall-mac-event-live-blog-10am-pt-1700-utc

[pale sigil]

They finally got past the lack of ports

[crisp granite]

noice

[pale sigil]

Quite chonk

Compared to their normal ones

Fuck sake

Notch

On a laptop

120hz with dynamic refresh

[misty saffron]

try hating on macbook now retard

[crisp granite]

I’ve never been excited for an apple product before

holy shit

that GPU

[pale sigil]

It has a notch

I hate it

[misty saffron]

unfortunate, all laptops will have a notch

[ashen spindle]

oh thank god for a second I was worried it might be worse

[pale sigil]

$1999

Bhahahahahahwhaaha

$
fucking high

[misty saffron]

that is about as much as you’d pay for a non-apple high end laptop

[pale sigil]

No

XD

[misty saffron]

yea

[reef patrol]

Again - Yes. Cause you want a decent fucking webcam xD

[pale sigil]

Even if you did you're going leagues ahead for price for perf

Like Holy fuck

[misty saffron]

$1999 is the low end one

just saying

[pale sigil]

Exactly lmao

Starting at

[shadow minnow]

64gb 400 gbps memory and 4 times 5600m performance, gen 4ssd. Also mini led.
Design sucks but still.

[misty saffron]

i like the design

kinda cute

[ashen spindle]

bet you can configure it to like 10k with full specs lmao

[pale sigil]

That won't be the cheaper model lol

[pale sigil]

Ye hahahahahsha

[misty saffron]

yep

good laptop

i’ll buy

[ashen spindle]

I'd want a better webcam than that for a notch though lol

[shadow minnow]

Seems to be more like 16:10 so at least hidden notch with 16:9 content most likely

Also makes me wonder if notch is there because of opening MacBook now it has so thin bezels

But notch, no Touch Bar… still the chip is so good

[crimson wigeon]

Touchbar gone? But that thing was the future!

[shadow minnow]

o.o ssd starts pretty high, so it’s not that bad for lowest end configuration

No wifi 6e smh apple

[ashen spindle]

[pale sigil]

Omfg

[ashen spindle]

[shadow minnow]

Wait how does it have more transistors than 5950x and rtx 3090 combined or am I just reading it wrong

[ashen spindle]

probably does

because it's on 5nm

and it's not gonna be a tiny chip

[misty saffron]

nice postcode

[pale sigil]

Ain't my post code

[misty saffron]

thank fuck

[pale sigil]

Haha

Ye I saw it when I was screenshotting

Ain't remotely close to. Me

[shadow minnow]

32gb 32 GPU code model with 1tb ssd for 3300£ not that bad

Considering it’s 32gb of 400gbps ram and 7..4gbps ssd

Also performance overall

[ashen spindle]

also if you want to compare transitor count: http://www.transistorcount.com/

[crisp granite]

4K CAD for a MacBook with M1 Max

[chrome estuary]

wait is that what they're calling it

the m1 max?

[crisp granite]

Yes

[chrome estuary]

M1+ sounded more interesting

M1 Max feels kinda cringy to me for some reason

[ashen spindle]

pro/max is the same naming they have for iphones

[chrome estuary]

yeah

but i mean

it's the iphone

[ashen spindle]

sure but having the same naming for tiers makes it a lot easier to follow along imo

[pale sigil]

Cringeeeee https://youtu.be/q5Pfkr-TZSk

[crimson wigeon]

ugh tiktok

[ashen spindle]

now the real question for the new mac is

how good does it mine

[crimson wigeon]

Imagining a big room, full of those new MBPs, mining endlessly

[crisp granite]

LOL

[reef patrol]

[crimson wigeon]

But touchbar all that effort developers put in to support it, wasted!

[crisp granite]

🙃

ah yes

we brought back our old design because the new one we made actually sucks balls

buy our new product that just brings back old stuff

as far as the new macbook pros go, it's really the chips that are the selling point

still...it's way too expensive imo unless it can actually go toe to toe with the Mac Pro

if it can...holy value batman

cheaper, mobile and better????

[misty saffron]

dickheads

[latent mural]

has anyone here actually been nagged to upgrade to windows 11?

[crisp granite]

not yet

[reef patrol]

Only by people, not the OS 😄

[crisp granite]

thankfully

[crisp granite]

ah yes, use this developmental version of an OS with no support because it's newer hur dur

[latent mural]

please enlighten me what was their reasoning

[crisp granite]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-spongebob-meme-weird-face-gif-15779118

[crimson wigeon]

DiReCtStOrAgE

[reef patrol]

Joke's on you. It's just 10 reskinned.

[crisp granite]

jokes on you

ur mum is just 10 reskinned

[reef patrol]

[crisp granite]

that made no sense

honestly though

windows 11 is a complete joke right now and windows 10...despite all the bloatware, is still my first choice for a desktop OS

probably won't be in 4 or 5 years though

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[latent mural]

ah, you're one of the holding out for windows 12 people

[crisp granite]

lolnope

[shadow minnow]

In some video editing stuff, especially ProRes it can apparently beat macpro even with accelerator
GPU performance is supposed to be almost 3080m level apparently.
Interesting part is also 400gbps ram/vram.

[crisp granite]

I'm just going to wait for win11 to mature

for now...idk, seems iffy to me

[shadow minnow]

I mean, they have backed up on lot of things, wish touchbar remained tbh, also idk about design, but sd card reader is nice, and hdmi if is 2.1 could be also Pog

[crisp granite]

yep

the only issue I have with it is the price

but it's not exactly a product meant for the average consumer, and if it really can go toe to toe with their flagship desktops...there's no contest

it is THE productivity laptop to buy

[shadow minnow]

Wait is it 400GB not Gb??

[crisp granite]

I don't mean to sound like a dunce, but what is the difference?

[latent mural]

a factor of 8

[crisp granite]

ah

so it's a huge difference

[shadow minnow]

Yeah it’s high. But at least low storage models have 500 or 1tb, 1tb coming as base with lots of models, so you aren’t forced for expensive ssd upgrades as much. But if the ram is really 400GB that would be, interesting.

[crisp granite]

no way they're cramming that much into a laptop

hm...actually, with the M1...probably doable

[shadow minnow]

That’s like few times HBM2 it does not sound right.

[shadow minnow]

There are 10 cpu cores, 16 or 32 GPU ones, and 16-64gb ram/vram. Ssd goes to 0.5-8tb, on some models 1-8

It somehow has more transistors than 5950x and 3090 combined

[crisp granite]

yeppers

smaller node size though

[latent mural]

source?

M1 Max is the largest chip Apple has ever built: 57 billion transistors and up to 64GB of fast unified memory.3 hours ago

from the horse's mouth

that's absolutely insane

[crisp granite]

yep

kinda nutworthy

[shadow minnow]

Yeah the transistor amount is crazy

[iron wave]

Today I made some cursed code.

[shadow minnow]

That’s few 3090s

[crisp granite]

at this point, I want to see apple marketing their macbook pro lineup as gaming PCs as well

lol

[shadow minnow]

Well over 2

[iron wave]

Who wants to see it?

[shadow minnow]

Their GPU is apparently quite powerful, 4 times 5600m and almost 3080m, idk how trustworthy the claims are, but it’s interesting apple acknowledged faster GPU exists (and added it consumes 3 times as much power and on battery is lot slower )

Which is truth tbf

[crisp granite]

apple gaming PCs could genuinely be a thing if they get serious about metal

[iron wave]

Are they doing the smart thing with it?

[shadow minnow]

Yeah would be interesting

[iron wave]

The "make the GPU only support Vulkan and have everything else be userspace drivers" thing?

[shadow minnow]

This also makes me wonder how is the next gen gonna be. It’s already on this level, and next gen quite likely on 3nm with better architecture…

[crisp granite]

jeez

might as well save up and get myself a nice mac then

probably a mac mini, if they offer em with the pro and max chips

[shadow minnow]

Hopefully they will in the future, surprisingly on MacBook pros and, not even iMac

[crisp granite]

shit...a gaming iMac would be awesome

[shadow minnow]

I mean I am sure that is gonna change

I bet it will be on iMac

Maybe even this year

[iron wave]

How is RT and de/encoding perf on the GPU?

[crisp granite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

literally announced today

we just got the high level specs

[iron wave]

RT tends to be a big point.

[crisp granite]

no clue as to actual performance...yet

[shadow minnow]

We don’t know all the details yet

But apparently they ship like next week

[crisp granite]

right

on the 26th

[shadow minnow]

Well if you would preorder now it’s already December

[crisp granite]

nutty

[shadow minnow]

Or well, for some modes

[iron wave]

So who wants Nvidia to buy ARM?

[shadow minnow]

Not the government

I want apple to buy arm but not really since chance of it remaining open source to the extend it is now are… 0 unless they would have to

[crisp granite]

I'd have no issues with it

might mean more CPU competition on the desktop

[shadow minnow]

Rip macpro video editors

[crisp granite]

you bought a 60k mac pro?

you dunce

[iron wave]

I don't want them to in the way where that would be awful for the market, but I do because it might make RISC-V more of a thing.

[crisp granite]

go buy a 7k macbook pro

lol

[shadow minnow]

ProRes accelerator makes some MacBooks pro faster at ProRes than 60k mac pro with apple burner card

But also 120hz and mini led are nice

[crisp granite]

😳

jeez

[iron wave]

Oh cool I made my cursed source file more cursed.

[neat oriole]

I’m excited for mini led screens tho

Also that notch is dumb as hell

[pale sigil]

I'd rather just get a framework

[neat oriole]

The screen has a pretty big chin, couldn’t they have just moved the screen down a bit so they wouldn’t have a notch

[pale sigil]

That would ruin the illusion of no bezels

[neat oriole]

Also it’s kinda funny how razer took MacBooks and made them thicker and more square for better performance and Apple just takes that

[fair gull]

personally dont either unless nvidia turns arm into some proprietary shit... if it stays as is and nvidia just boosts funding and smort people at arm im more than ok with it

[ashen spindle]

aka if nvidia spends a ton of money and is fine with not making it back, now how likely does that sound

[fair gull]

i mean

if they can turn most arm cpus into what apple has with m1

i think we might see an evolution on the pc platform

[ashen spindle]

if they want to make their own they could do so already without this

[fair gull]

im aware

but there has to be some reason for them to want to aquire arm

and thats why i said i hope its not to turn it proprietary

[ashen spindle]

they have not laid out such plans and looking at nvidia's past with any other company or tech they got, why would that change

like sure it can happen

[fair gull]

didnt they aquire voodo

didnt they turn the vodoo tech proprietary

[ashen spindle]

that was what they turned into SLI so yes

[fair gull]

ya

[iron wave]

Yeah SLI is a Voodoo thing.

It is way different now than it was back then or a few years ago however.

[ashen spindle]

yeah now it's dead AND still proprietary

[iron wave]

It still exists.

[fair gull]

no?

[iron wave]

Speaking of NVLink, can you share memory on two 3090s or is that still Quadro only?

[fair gull]

rtx doesnt use sli officially

[ashen spindle]

"For GeForce RTX 3090 and future SLI-capable GPUs, SLI will only be supported when implemented natively within the game."

aka they dont do shit for it anymore, board vendors still need to purchase a SLI license or it wont even work

[fair gull]

also psure all mvlink cards can share memory

[ashen spindle]

aka dead

[fair gull]

wasnt that the hot garbage everyone salivated over with nvlink

[fair gull]

including me

[iron wave]

NVLink is really neat.

[latent mural]

why is the description so nondescript

[young pecan]

God I miss multicard setups.

They always do look so cool.

[fair gull]

do u tho

[young pecan]

Hells yeah.

Multicard open loop setups are awesome.

[crisp granite]

no

sadly I do not look cool

[iron wave]

I have two 960s.

[young pecan]

Pog

[fair gull]

i came

[iron wave]

I plan on getting a pair of whatever the high end cards are when I upgrade next.

[young pecan]

There's something real good looking about this.

Fuck it's neat.

[iron wave]

It is because it is so compact and uniform.

[fair gull]

those titan cards

were the shit once

now everyone uses 3090s or quadros

[iron wave]

The 3090 is the new Titan.

Too bad they decided FP64 wasn't a feature for consumers because it ate into Quadro too much.

Also vGPUs would be super cool on consumer.

[ashen spindle]

I doubt you will want a pair of next-gen top end gpus if you come from 2 960

[iron wave]

I have plans that need a lot of VRAM and compute.

[ashen spindle]

better get that 1200W psu ready then

[fair gull]

psure next rtx gen will have 40gb vram easily but id personally buy amd accelerator cards

[iron wave]

My next upgrade will be a new system.

i7-3770K, 32GB DDR3 and 2x960.

[fair gull]

thats a shitty next system

[iron wave]

That is what I have.

[ashen spindle]

well we dont know for nvidia but Navi31 is going MCM and that's gonna hog a lot of power/cost

[iron wave]

Speaking of accelerator cards though.

Do any of you know anything about Coral?

[ashen spindle]

never heard of it

[iron wave]

Have my new cursed code repo too:
https://github.com/gudenau/SourceAmalgam

Alphabet's neural network stuff: https://www.coral.ai/

Asus made a card with a bunch of their PCI-e based modules on it.

[latent mural]

is wooting dks bannable?

[reef patrol]

Impossible to answer broadly, since every game is different.

Fortnite has a strict "one button at a time" so ... not there.

[crisp granite]

best way to answer

it's a macro in practice

so...under game rules, it's a macro

[iron wave]

One button at a time?

[crisp granite]

one button = one input

[iron wave]

Generally yeah.

[crisp granite]

so shift + w or something of the sort is a no go

[iron wave]

So you can't press two buttons at once?

[crisp granite]

you can

you just can't have one button sending multiple inputs

[reef patrol]

Or ABXY after each other from just pressing A.

They don't like automation.

[iron wave]

Oh that's what you meant.

Yeah that's fine.

Not a single player game after all.

Plus cross play.

[crisp granite]

cross play

lol

[iron wave]

Isn't that a thing?

[crisp granite]

it's a brilliant idea, until you realise that no one really likes it

you get the worst of all platforms in one go then

the cheaters on PC, the bullshit console auto aim which may as well be cheating, etc.

best solution...segregation

that way, you only have the issues of the platform you're on, not the others as well

unless it's just a pure opt-in

[iron wave]

Auto aim on PC.

:V

Also implement decent anti cheat and that's less of an issue.

[crisp granite]

the good anti-cheats are also the ones that really give me pause

[iron wave]

Plus MS supports keyboard and mouse.

[crisp granite]

low level access is always a fuck no

secure boot

fuck no

[iron wave]

That's not good.

That's garbage.

Server side stuff can catch a lot, combine that with statistics and you can sus out a lot of cheating.

All the easy ones like more movement can be clobbered.

People being "too good" can have people look at games.

Would also help you to figure out problems in maps.

[crisp granite]

👌

I just avoid that drama by playing singleplayer games

[iron wave]

Good anticheat doesn't run anything extra on the client because they can't be trusted.

[crisp granite]

not important to snuff out cheating if it's just one player per instance

[iron wave]

There are single player games with anticheat.

[crisp granite]

which irks me to no end

[iron wave]

Combine that with three other malware and it's like, duuuuude.

Cut that crap out.

Piracy boosts sales you nitwits.

[crisp granite]

I mean

the bigger issue for me is platform BS

if you actively make it a hassle to buy your game, piracy just looks more enticing

🤷‍♂️

[iron wave]

DRM boosts piracy.

[crisp granite]

more platforms, less restriction = more opportunities for sales

[iron wave]

It's also malware.

You could also separate rooms into different input methods.

[crisp granite]

clearly...and removing it is a benefit a solid chunk of the time

like RE8

[iron wave]

No idea what that is.

[crisp granite]

a game so great yet the DRM so terrible, I bought it

and then downloaded a cracked version, just because the version that shipped is unplayable otherwise

[crisp granite]

Resident Evil Village

[iron wave]

Is that the one where they crippled the PC version to ensure piracy?

[crisp granite]

they didn't cripple it intentionally

it just shook down that way

[reef patrol]

They weren't evil, just incredibly incompetent 😄

[iron wave]

DRM isn't a "oopsie we added DRM"

[crisp granite]

exactly

[reef patrol]

Resident Idiot.

[iron wave]

It's intentional.

[crisp granite]

it's just fucking stupid

good DRM is not noticable

because good DRM is no DRM at all

it's a waste of time and money

[iron wave]

It's a user account for online games.

[crisp granite]

^^

[iron wave]

Honestly MC DRM is perfect.

[crisp granite]

steam DRM...just fucking signing into an account that owns the game

that works

[iron wave]

You lose one feature if you don't log in outside of multiplayer.

And it doesn't affect anything other than your skin.

[shadow minnow]

It really would with this apu. If this comparison is true then it really Pog.

If they manage to keep up the performance scaling they could actually make a competitive desktop GPU, this is already good for a GPU

[iron wave]

That "Compact pro PC laptop graphics" sounds like Intel iGPUs.

Which are notoriously awful

[shadow minnow]

True, as much as I like the specs, the design… Actually thing I hate the most are touchbar and general shape. Also price.

[shadow minnow]

On the bottom right, it’s a 3080 16gb apparently

[crisp granite]

to me, it sounds like a quadro mobile

oh

wow

[iron wave]

Huh.

What's the power limit?

[shadow minnow]

Graph shows like 115w

While 60 for apple one

But accuracy, no idea if it accurate or not

[iron wave]

Might not the the limit in the laptop.

[shadow minnow]

They have also surprisingly shown that some laptop has bit higher performance, but that was to point out how much power it consumes and how bad it is on just battery

Graph shows 115w so that’s probably indeed the case

[iron wave]

There is a decent amount of tuning laptop vendors get to do.

But yeah cherry picking and such so don't get your hopes up too high.

Hopefully AMD and Nvidia stop putting hardware for DX and GL in their GPUs.

The screen sounds bad.

[shadow minnow]

Yeah 120hz mini led with 1600 peak is nice

[iron wave]

Notch

[shadow minnow]

Yes that sucks, but luckily it does not seem to be 16:9 so may be hidden with 16:9 content

But apart from that it’s great

[iron wave]

Oh yeah OSX has that stupid bar at the top.

[shadow minnow]

That bar is great. Unlike notch

Yeah, but looks like many apps are just gonna be running in 16:9 notchless mode

[iron wave]

How is having to move your mouse all the way to the top of the screen instead of to the top of a window better?

[shadow minnow]

Almost always use full screen apps if I need to access for top. But the thing I find it better in is displaying stuff, imo better place than bottom tbh.

[iron wave]

The best place is on the window.

Where it's easier to access.

[shadow minnow]

Imo it depends tbh, based on what functions, some definitely should be on window

But the design especially from the outside

Reminds me of like 2013 MacBooks

Or was it 2011

[iron wave]

What Windows and Linux?

Oh it's rounded too.

[shadow minnow]

Don’t really like it tbh

[iron wave]

Eww.

[shadow minnow]

Kinda liked the 2017 pro and later design in general tbh. Just wish the escape was pressable but not really separate, and bezels like here

[iron wave]

I don't even like rounded corners on phones, why would I want them here?

It's almost like they are trying to sell external displays.

[shadow minnow]

Don’t think it has really more, they can’t go over 100wh which it imo already had. And with mobo being smaller, strange

Maybe more speaker space or idk

[timid dome]

how much is the perf boost? like, is this worth doing? will it drain battery faster?

[iron wave]

One of these days I'm going to need to get a Mac, just for code stuff.

[timid dome]

Yeah, I can't see it being that useful for me, then. I don't use my laptop for just gaming.

I mean, I have a desktop computer, but that doesn't go places

[iron wave]

Why compare it to x86? That's so old.

Everything is AMD64 these days.

[timid dome]

could someone kindly please explain the different architectures out there? I'm uneducated on that subject

[iron wave]

You know I meant for desktop/laptop/machine controller stuff.

I'm pretty sure I only have one x86 machine.

Two, an Xbox and my first computer.

Can you run OSX in qemu yet?

[shadow minnow]

It’s all x86
You could compare to other arm stuff but not much competition

I am curious if intel plans to get apple back as customer by making better chips

[iron wave]

That's what AMD is doing.

The new Intel AMD64 stuff might be good, wonder how well the Linux kernel will support it from BIG.little support.

[shadow minnow]

It’s not called AMD64, it’s x86-64

[iron wave]

Depends on who you ask.

[shadow minnow]

Still don’t think they will be able to complete with efficiency yet. Intel is going big little too, but still big M1 cores are pretty efficient too. I guess apple has advantage with always using newest nodes, possible 3nm next year will be interesting

[iron wave]

I've seen AMD64, x86-64, x86_64 and x64.

That's what I was saying.

[shadow minnow]

Don’t think it’s supposed to be called AMD64 tbh but may be wrong, think it’s part of x86 spec

[iron wave]

Except it can't be called BIG.little because copyright and junk.

AMD made AMD64 as an extension to x86 that Intel later got a license to because people adopted it over IA64.

It's so bad that Intel threw money at Microsoft to make Zen CPUs slower on Windows 11 though.

Also dumb that they aren't going to support 10 with the new CPUs but what can you do.

[old marlin]

eh, even last gen was GOOD in laptops

11th gen that is

and GOOD as in performs well even in slimmer devices

12th gen should in theory be insane performance wise

[misty saffron]

it is indeed called amd64, friend

[reef patrol]

Sure is a bad investment given how it took about two weeks to fix. With AMDs help.

It's almost as if they weren't paid at all...

[young pecan]

I mean it wouldn’t really surprise me as a thing.
Intel’s last 5 years of shit has just been bad business decisions.

[ashen spindle]

bad business and malicious conspiration that would cause tons of issue if discovered, but not even do any harm to the competition are two very different things

[young pecan]

Not so when you’ve been making idiot decisions for years.

At some point I’m sure there’s a mental bridge you cross when dumbass shit like that becomes a thought you seriously consider.

[ashen spindle]

then we are also implying microsoft would have any reason to be onboard with that

and they have even less reason

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/cYwfGjTYF3A

Discord is broken again

[pale sigil]

Again? XD

[young pecan]

Oh hell yes, MS would never do something so braindead.

But that doesn’t mean Intel’s leadership isn’t going to get the dumbass thought. :p

[halcyon moss]

dont run beta?

[wheat plume]

Happened with stable too

[pale sigil]

Just looks like a you side issue

[wheat plume]

Possibly
It exits the app everytime I switch back to it from another app

So I got to open it in the home screen again

[crimson wigeon]

I'd want something like that for easy multiaccounting to be honest

[halcyon moss]

apparently in android 12 there is a "clone app type"

[wheat plume]

There is an app called Island that clones apps so you can use two accounts

Or buy a Xiaomi phone with app cloning built in

[pale sigil]

Even I don't use xiaomis clone thing

It's poo

[misty saffron]

just buy a phone with ads built in

just do it

[ashen spindle]

chinese phone coming with cloning app? how surprising

[pale sigil]

Swear to god malwarebytes is just adware

[wheat plume]

Samsung?

[misty saffron]

most android phones for that matter

[wheat plume]

I don't see ads on any phone I've had
Except the nagging to use their own apps instead of the Google ones

[misty saffron]

https://www.androidauthority.com/remove-ads-xiaomi-miui-1019139/

imagine actually having articles like that

[wheat plume]

Maybe because I'm in Europe, they have to not show ads due to gdpr

[pale sigil]

I just block everything in pihole

[wheat plume]

Just opened an article about how to turn off a raspberry pi
....

They literally just showered you need to click logout in the menu

I love tech news xd

[pale sigil]

But before I didn't I don't think I got ads

[wheat plume]

I'm also using this DNS

On my phone anyway

[pale sigil]

I used to

But it broke so much

[wheat plume]

Hmm?

[cursive summit]

So, I got Game Pass to try out FO76

Say why did this appear as soon as I launched the game

The hell is being encrypted 😄

Bethesda's hacking my shit, man

[halcyon moss]

is your harddrive getting encryptedf by windows?

[cursive summit]

I sure hope not

Cause I've never seen that dialogue box ever

[halcyon moss]

seems like it

but uhm.. back up that cert yo

or press cancel?

[cursive summit]

By the sound of it whatever FO76 wanted to encrypt was already encrypted and the popup was just about the key

I'm just wondering wtf they were trying to encrypt here

[reef patrol]

I uh... Never had 76 ask me about encryption.

[cursive summit]

Idk my AV is pretty quiet

Firewall's also pretty resilient can't say I got hacked

That pop up literally happened after launching 76 for the first time

[old marlin]

impying AVs work

[ashen spindle]

btw I dont think this was mentioned yet https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-alder-lake-announcement-and-preorders-confirmed-for-october-27th-launch-on-november-4th

[halcyon moss]

grrrrr piece of shit mongoose aaargh

[shadow minnow]

Preorders for new cpu before my pc gets a GPU so outdated even more

Anyone wants to trade my pc for MacBook Pro 16 2TB 64gb ram 32 GPU cores?

[halcyon moss]

with the issues you've been describing i'd throw that thing in the trash

[shadow minnow]

My only real issue is lacking a GPU. Unless I try to push OC it works fine

Hmm apparently m1max scores around level of i7 12700

[ashen spindle]

ah yes the classic comparison of scores between two unreleased products

[pale sigil]

XD

[shadow minnow]

Well we will see more once there are reviews out. Benchmarks suck but are better than nothing, and compare stuff for at least one thing

Intel likes real world benchmarks more, but don’t think apple is gonna compare speed of opening word documents

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1450155667453526017 as the first caveat why those comparisons on hand picked numbers are not worth looking at

𝐷𝑟. 𝐼𝑎𝑛 𝐶𝑢𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠 (@IanCutress)

GPU performance is usually measured by ProRes transcode. Something that the M1 accelerates with dedicated hardware.

Twitter · Oct 18, 2021, 5:43 PM

[wheat plume]

Oooooooo this is amazing

[pale sigil]

I want a poco

[wheat plume]

Surprised they didn't pick anyone from the pixel experience team

What happens to the menu bar if it's too long and runs into the notch on the new apple laptops?

[crimson wigeon]

It gets split

... probably..

[reef patrol]

It gets redesigned for the new UI.

Or your users start getting cross with you for not getting with the times.

[wheat plume]

Bye bye menu bar?

Sad... I actually like that

Hmm, the ArcoLinux steam package comes with that custom version of Proton, interesting

[pale sigil]

Its also apple, they like perfection

[wheat plume]

perfection
insert photo of charging the magic mouse

[ashen spindle]

you get this if an app tries to use that screen space

[reef patrol]

😆

Very uh... good way to handle that.

[crimson wigeon]

Honestly wouldn't surprise me

Apple loves to force developers to do things

[ashen spindle]

well the user would not get to see it and the app just not appear on the store I imagine

[reef patrol]

Apple - Cause fuck old apps.

[wheat plume]

TBF, they could have said fuck old apps when they swapped to M1

Any apps not already compatible could just be made not work at all

[reef patrol]

They kind of already did. The whole "rosetta" thing was given an end date if I recall.

[wheat plume]

Ohhh

[ashen spindle]

yep

[wheat plume]

I see

[reef patrol]

Apple in a nutshell.

We're giving you a tool that took a lot of resources and time to develop, so you can keep running your apps.

But we're taking it away soon, so you better buy the M1 version of your stuff soon!

[pale sigil]

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-the-monday-edition-1.6215149/our-entire-solar-system-may-exist-inside-a-giant-magnetic-tunnel-says-astrophysicist-1.6215150

[old marlin]

doesn't even seem that unreasonable overall

[reef patrol]

https://twitter.com/Colteastwood/status/1450453302202667009

colteastwood (@Colteastwood)

SOLD OUT in 37s

Twitter · Oct 19, 2021, 1:26 PM

Not even a full minute xD

[crimson wigeon]

Excellent

[pale sigil]

:/

2020/2021 the wrath of scalpers

[fair gull]

so not as good as nvidia cards

didnt the 30series sell out in a few seconds

like sub 10

[old marlin]

Jane v2 ce be like

8 seconds

And back then keyboards were even more niche

[pale sigil]

Nvidia cards just didn't exist

[old marlin]

How many mini fridges did they make

[wheat plume]

I assumed that but it's so bad :/

[pale sigil]

People got thier hands on it?

[wheat plume]

o.o

[pale sigil]

I'd rather get the lower end model just because of that lol

[wheat plume]

wait

I thought they all had notch

[pale sigil]

No

[wheat plume]

ah...

good good

[old marlin]

Does the lower end still have the touchbar?

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNUQ2o-wiL8

You gotta love it when the one guy complaining about Apple is the Apple guy 😄

[pale sigil]

I hate that I need software to turn off that shit

[halcyon moss]

hahaha, no-rgb fo live

or.. just use a closed case

[ashen spindle]

case with panel but inside is so black you dont even really know you can see inside it

[pale sigil]

I wanted to go full white led etc but it got annoying after a week

[ashen spindle]

go black led

[old marlin]

also basically the only "apple youtuber" that I know that is actually critical of them

unlike mac adress

[reef patrol]

[old marlin]

like mac adress is terrible

[pale sigil]

It's hard to get a decent pink from rgb leds

[halcyon moss]

"a decent link"?

[fair gull]

maybe callum means soldering

[halcyon moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGgzWWrCIhY

[pale sigil]

Pink oops @halcyon moss

It's hard to get a decent pink from rgb leds

[halcyon moss]

pink is not a color :p

there is a technology connections video about that

[pale sigil]

Idc xD

[reef patrol]

Fite me

[halcyon moss]

i dont fight ducks

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

then roast him

mhh roasted duck yummy

[halcyon moss]

true. i had some great peking duck in beijing 🙂

[ashen spindle]

ah, the classic surprise where you dont know if it's duck or political opposition

[empty wren]

Disappointing Google is not willing to extend main os software updates by even a year.

[plush summit]

https://dbrand.com/shop/special-edition/ps5

This page is amazing

[wheat plume]

Checkmate, Lawyers.

[crisp granite]

no

just "check"

for now, at least

[wheat plume]

This is overly fancy with it's animations

amazing!

Wait

how fucked over are they from this C&D?!

I dont know the case at all, why are Sony mad that someone is selling plastic shells to cover the sides of the console? Even Nintendo seems ok with people doing things like that to Switch hardware

[crisp granite]

it's that the PS logo is on it or some shit

that's their sticking point

their IP, their rules

and dbrand hasn't followed em

[wheat plume]

oohhh

so the new ones no longer have the logo

[crisp granite]

yeppers

[timid chasm]

Was it the actual logo or that other version of the logo?

[plush summit]

Its the deaign of the pannel

Thats how they gotna CnD

So they gave the Long jacket of the panel a haircut and now it's no longer under copyright

[crisp granite]

really good because now the PS5 can have a streamlined look

stock looks like shit imo

[plush summit]

The language on the site is amazing

Looks like some anime dracula who wears their collar up

[wheat plume]

omfh

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/LO7Ip9VbOLY

[wheat plume]

Nice and simple

[halcyon moss]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vFjBJEaFFNw/T9Yu6yv8lwI/AAAAAAAAAJU/GLCa7JGQVM8/s1600/grub-screen-1.png
nice and simpler

[wheat plume]

Ew.

Default theme

[halcyon moss]

of course, who cares about the bootloader theme :p

i see it MAX 10 seconds

[latent mural]

the imaginary voyeur hovering half a metre behind you and judging all of your ricing decisions

[wheat plume]

:') oh no

[ashen spindle]

[reef patrol]

Yep...

[crisp granite]

[reef patrol]

Yes - Fuck dongles 😄

It's a laptop, not a spaghetti monster.

[ashen spindle]

it's literally a direct connection to their in-house chip, they dont need to fully conform to pcie spec or anything if you dont make it work with everything

they are already use their own out of spec thing with the memory to get what they want exactly

[crimson wigeon]

https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/10/20/introducing-android-apps-on-windows-11-to-windows-insiders/

We are proud to deliver this experience with our partners – Amazon and Intel – to Beta Channel users in the United States on eligible devices running Intel, AMD, and Qualcomm platforms.
Ah yes region locking Android apps (probably super easily bypassed though)...
Are there even any worth using on big fat computors?

[empty wren]

I do not get the hype around this BlueStacks is a thing

[reef patrol]

Full of adware and weird file transfers between it and your OS.

[empty wren]

Well when you put it that way

[reef patrol]

[empty wren]

If the apps run like windows windows then would also be nice

Could theme then and they would not look out of place

[cedar stag]

They got to make money somehow. I tend to use a emulator that's designed for cheating in android titles on PC just because it's ad-free and works. But it's private

[reef patrol]

I don't believe I ever complained. I pointed out why it was worse than one built into the OS at a glance.

[cursive summit]

https://www.techspot.com/amp/news/91844-gigabyte-modular-5g-pc-future-pc-gaming.html

[iron wave]

I've heard this one before.

[cursive summit]

something is the future of something

The only companies that can use that advertisement term and I'd take them relatively seriously are Valve and maybe Apple

Apple has some seriously good R&D so if they claim that I'd at least somewhat believe them

And Valve cause anything they make is just good shit

Gigabyte on the other hand can't claim that for shit with their exploding PSUs and overexpensive OLEDs that get fucked by cheaper LG C series

[wheat plume]

Valve: Good but expensive shit

Apple: Good but purposefully expensive shit

[cursive summit]

Expensive? You get what you pay for

You want expensive look at Switch

[wheat plume]

With Valve, sure

[cursive summit]

Joycons don't survive for a few months without starting to drift

[wheat plume]

had mine for like 7 months already

[cursive summit]

Had mine for a few years now

[wheat plume]

you had drift yet?

[cursive summit]

Joycons are honestly trash

Yeah way too much

[wheat plume]

o.o

[cursive summit]

Forced me to get a controller for it

[wheat plume]

I do love the Pro Controller, well worth it tbh

Well, if you mostly dock the Switch to play

[cursive summit]

Not the pro controller

[earnest jay]

Here I am with a 2 years and few months old Switch, no drift. 😆

[cursive summit]

The cheaper version

Was like 30$

[wheat plume]

Power A?

[cursive summit]

I ain't paying 70$ or so for a Pro controller

[wheat plume]

Still dont get why Switch games are €47 for the physical copy and €60 for the eShop version

Why is physical copy cheaper?!

I looked it up online
It seems so that Nintendo don't want to undercut retailers and make them no longer want to sell switch consoles and games and other hardware accessories

[fair gull]

games mostly

cause they dont suck ur battery that way

[fair gull]

bluestacks is garbage

[wheat plume]

^

[crimson wigeon]

But BLUESTACKS LEVELS UP YOUR GAMING EXPERIENCE or something

[fair gull]

mumu is one of the better ones due to many improvements to native bridge and having actual good fps in demanding games

mumu is one of the better ones due to many improvements to native bridge and having actual good fps in demanding games

biggest issue tho you cant run any emulator with hyperv on

cause none of them use the win10 hzperv thin hzpervisor

and that just usually means bluescreen

[young pecan]

Given recent events idk how much I trust this to not explode.

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/YGYdM9kQiqg

Sorta Seafoam

Yep, indeed

Selfie Orifice

NOOO

[chrome estuary]

loooong

[wheat plume]

sus

[empty wren]

Good price for the smaller phone

Good price for the smaller phone

Good price for the smaller phone

Magic eraser has it's issues but face deblur is interesting

[wheat plume]

4,600mAh
nice!!

[empty wren]

And 20wat or so wireless charging

While wired charging is a bit faster

[wheat plume]

idc about wireless chrging xd

[empty wren]

Too slow?

[wheat plume]

too hot

made my phone overheat like fuck

[empty wren]

Oof

[wheat plume]

and it was only 5W also

[empty wren]

._.

Well I guess it does get hot

Never noticed it on my pixel stand

But I did on my powerbank

[wheat plume]

I may save up for the 6A

[empty wren]

We need graphene tech soon

[wheat plume]

I want that clean Android

[empty wren]

Wonder how that one will turn out

Probably priced well too

[wheat plume]

the A range are great value :D

[empty wren]

Maybe even the tensor chip might show up

I was expecting higher prices on the flagship models

[wheat plume]

🤔

Is Bose not the brand that was spying on people with the mic?

[empty wren]

It is

Some locations also offer pixel buds a

[empty wren]

Not gonna lie like the distance of the smaller camera from the top

[wheat plume]

oh...they are different sized gaps

wtf

If this was seafoam green, the entire way, it would be pretty

that stripe ugly

[empty wren]

Well they could have taken better advantage of that space

Only real disappointment is they do not want to give an additional os upgrade year

Also they might be running android 12.1

[crimson wigeon]

What are you, poor? Just keep buying new devices!

[empty wren]

Sorta like how the originals pixel had 7.1

[empty wren]

Honestly phones run well these days

[crisp granite]

yeah

my samsung S7 still runs strong

haven't felt a need to replace it, and it was a hand me down from my pa anyway

it's special to me

[empty wren]

S7 was an interesting phone even if it was a copy of the s6

[young pecan]

S7 was an interesting generation for all phones.

[crisp granite]

lol

[young pecan]

Right off the iPhone 6 into next gen IOS, no? And iirc that was when Samsung was doing some major shit with battery life.

Very arms race style.

[empty wren]

And then the note 7 happened

[crisp granite]

just gotta say it

[young pecan]

[crisp granite]

that tablet was 🔥

[young pecan]

Fuck yeah.

[empty wren]

tablet phablet

[young pecan]

The S7 was 2016...

I feel old.

[crisp granite]

I mean

a phone still doing awesome 5 years down the line

that's impressive

[young pecan]

Ngl the iPhone 7 was an absolute banger.

[crisp granite]

and I know people still using macbooks from when they were in high school

still kicking

O_O

[empty wren]

Biggest taptic engine

[young pecan]

Not as good as the 4 was, but damn it was pretty good.

Not as good as the 4 as far as generational leap, I mean.

iPhone 3 to 4 was insane.

[empty wren]

The glowing apple logo ones are still iconic

[crisp granite]

yep

so awesome

the ones today kinda disappoint in terms of aesthetics, but the backlit keyboards are a nice touch imo

[empty wren]

Notch lol

[empty wren]

Sad part is probably will become a trend

[crimson wigeon]

Can't wait for big phat desktop monitors to come with notches

[crisp granite]

I hope that doesn't happen

[young pecan]

Of course it will.

[crisp granite]

btw...should I get an iMac to clutter my desk further?

[young pecan]

...

Why?

[crisp granite]

because I actually kinda entered the apple ecosystem and it rocks

[young pecan]

Ok but what're you gonna do with it?

[crisp granite]

uh

use it

[young pecan]

For? iMacs aren't exactly fantastic gaming machines.

[crisp granite]

for shit I could probably do on a windows PC

😛

[young pecan]

More professional, tbh.

[crisp granite]

I never said it was a good idea

lol

[young pecan]

720p runescape on an iMac.

Fuck yeah.

[crisp granite]

actually

holy shit

would play

[young pecan]

Jesus fuck, dude.

720p?

[crisp granite]

especially with the M1, probably would run smooth as butter

[crisp granite]

on a 5k screen

yes

[young pecan]

Bruh.

[crisp granite]

yeah

that about sums it up

[young pecan]

Ngl tho, that 5k screen do be looking good.

[crisp granite]

yus

that alone

probably great for watching movies

and adult movies

[young pecan]

Like Megamind, yes absolutely.

Or the Clone Wars series.

Fucking hell.

Adult media, all of that.

Trust me.

[crisp granite]

just watching some war crimes on my new iMac

^^me flexing after this impulse purchase

hm

[young pecan]

I miss the Clone Wars. :(

[crisp granite]

or maybe I'll just wait till the Mac Mini gets M1 Pro and Max chips