🔌│tech

[old marlin]

rust might be worth a look

[night beacon]

But I feel like it’s good to know how to work around even tho python and Java a somewhat similar

[old marlin]

but it is pretty odd

[night beacon]

Python use to be challenging but then I got the hand of it it’s been 2 and a half years since I started coding so not that long but long enough

If you don’t mind me asking how old are u

[crimson wigeon]

Rewrite it in Rust!

[old marlin]

23

[night beacon]

Ok damn when did you start coding?

[misty saffron]

NO

[old marlin]

I mean the language

not the game

rust syntax is ass

[crimson wigeon]

Rust will make all your code very safe, quick and free of bugs!

[old marlin]

but super fast

if you do it right

like it is hard to work with

but rust can be faster than C

[misty saffron]

no shit

[night beacon]

Elixir might also be a good look too

The only thing about elixir is that some reserved words are words I use in python

Has anyone ever tried ruby?

[fair gull]

ngl i dont think thats a java thing but prob some jetbrains formatting shit

[ashen spindle]

Oh yeah the default jetbrains font has ligatures on so it’s probably that

[fair gull]

thats more than just font ligatures tho

[steel horizon]

what's cursed about that, seems kinda neat

[old marlin]

ye it is

[pale sigil]

Ooft

[misty saffron]

HOW

I LITERALLY DIDNT TOUCH IT

[reef patrol]

Loose internal connection? Factory defect over time?

[misty saffron]

so you’re telling me it might be that it’s not the panel

[reef patrol]

Nope. Absolutely saying it's in the panel.

[misty saffron]

ughhhh

well at least it's not in the center

hahahahaha

dad fix worked

[reef patrol]

[misty saffron]

pressed on it from both sides of that line

[pale sigil]

Ios be making windows look bad with auto updates xD

Netflix randomly closing to update lol

[empty wren]

https://twitter.com/thisistechtoday/status/1440385355258028032?s=20

M. Brandon Lee | THIS IS TECH TODAY (@thisistechtoday)

I think this may be the first hands on video leak of a Google Pixel 6 Pro.

FYI: The logo would indicate that this is likely an early production test unit, so that means there may be some differences between what you see here and the actual production device.

#teampixel https://t.co/4QSvdktqA7

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[halcyon moss]

i like the camera bar. waaay better than a camera island

[young pecan]

Lmfao what even is this?

Gigabyte why did you make this?

[reef patrol]

Loud. That's what it is.

[halcyon moss]

meant for when cards are stacked right next to eachother

[young pecan]

raised eyebrow No goddamn way.

Not a chance.

[halcyon moss]

MINING

or compute

[young pecan]

I'm sorry but a 680 does not need a heatsink this chonky.

LOOK AT ALL THE COPPER! xD

[thick elk]

Actually back in the day, this would be for SLI

Back when people actually gamed on multiple gpu's

And also when side intake was still a thing

[halcyon moss]

i've never used sli, but i heard from the ppl who did, it was a constant pain

[thick elk]

Basically Crossfire / SLI were just for when you were already at the highest end gpu's so ended up getting 2 of them for more performance.
Now we just have some very expensive gpu's for the same effect.

But yea looking into it it never seemed like a good idea, the games that would need the performance the most don't work.

[old marlin]

what about a 560Ti?

[reef patrol]

[young pecan]

Why does this exist?

Surely not SLI reasons.

[old marlin]

idk

rich chinese people

[reef patrol]

And people complain about PCI-E slots breaking due to heavy cards today 😛

[old marlin]

colorful likes to make questionable designs

they made a passive 680 btw

and the longest 660ti

dunno why you would want a giant ass ehatsink on a card that doesn't even have a passive mode at low temps

[vale rapids]

:q!

[fair gull]

pov: me being a german trying to input that

[wheat plume]

I like this theme, you can specify what you want it to generate with a command

[wheat plume]

Finally
This app is useful

Instead of just telling you to buy a new computer if 11 isn't supported

[ashen spindle]

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/lithuania-says-throw-away-chinese-phones-due-censorship-concerns-2021-09-21/ in other news, nothing new

[crimson wigeon]

Shocking

[reef patrol]

Throw away? They should demand refunds. Idiot ministry 😄

Just throw them away - The government always gives US new phones. You PAY for yours? Plebes!

[fair gull]

send em to my coworker

hes what people should print into a textbook besides communism

[pale sigil]

https://twitter.com/linushenze/status/1440436718910382080?s=21

Linus Henze (@LinusHenze)

Q: Wen eta? A: October 21 (open source) https://t.co/OMXqE8U9oy

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untethered

[old marlin]

got a new thing

[crisp granite]

to my untrained eye, that looks like some kind of fight pad

no clue as to what makes it special

but it does look cool tbh

[fair gull]

na

thats a catboard

[old marlin]

it's a slimbox

hitbox layout

but small enough to be 3d printed on most dekstop 3d printers

[crisp granite]

cool

[shadow minnow]

Why is recycling in so not really existent

[true quest]

yes

[shadow minnow]

Like some places have nothing, some only plastic special bin and nothing for paper, and almost nothing all categories. Also lot more unnecessary plastics compared to even pretty behind country in many ways like Slovakia

[old marlin]

?

we have foil/recycling, paper, biodegradeable stuff and general waste

[shadow minnow]

Yeah, but most places, either stores, houses or just bins in general usually at least lack one, more often two of these categories.

[old marlin]

no

paper and recycling is free

[astral haven]

Better than us here
We can only recycle 1 and 2

[old marlin]

general waste is essential

and some people just don't need biodegradeable

if you mow your lawn you do though

[latent mural]

there's recycling centres that are more or less comprehensive everywhere here -- what are you trying to recycle that you can't wait to get rid of?

[astral haven]

90% of plastic packaging is #3

[reef patrol]

Denmark is about to change to 10 kinds of trash sorting. And... no one has any idea how to fit that many bins in every apartment 😄

[old marlin]

wtf

[astral haven]

And it doesn't get recycled in my county

[old marlin]

4 is manageable

ig 5 would be as well

but more is just stupid

[shadow minnow]

Now that I think of it also one more category in Slovakia. And also just that some places didn’t have paper, and plastic is used on some things where it’s really not needed.

[old marlin]

oh also they obv sort the recyclable stuff

not having paper is just

[astral haven]

At my work we have the cardboard bale and trash
We don't have any proper recycling at all

[shadow minnow]

Yeah

[old marlin]

well businesses are a special thing

[reef patrol]

Right now we sort in ... 3? 4? types.

Kitchen waste (organics and food packaging)
Plastic (So not the meat packaging or anything that has touched wet food that sticks)
Cardboard (Same as above - You would NOT put a pizza box in this, just plain cardboard, no boxes with tape)
Metal (Usually bunched in with plastic and sorted by machines at the incenerator)

And then we have "larger stuff" which is like community big bins/containers for electronics, fridges and furniture.

[old marlin]

we have additional stuff like metal, chemical but semi safe and foil

[shadow minnow]

Used to be paper, metals, plastic and general waste in Slovakia. Sometimes biodegradables, but in most places where these were needed you could just get a huge plastic thing for it

[rich prism]

So hyped my Wooting two HE is finally on the way!

[reef patrol]

[crisp granite]

woot

[vagrant elk]

The PinePhone cases for a fingerprint reader, wireless charging, and a keyboard have been announced! I'm so excited!

[wheat plume]

Nice....

[pale sigil]

i hate my NAS sometimes

its so bare bones

[vagrant elk]

So... Brave Browser now has "Brave Talk", a "private calling platform". Not sure how to feel about this.

[crimson wigeon]

It's like when FIrefox had that chat thing no one used so it's gone now

[vagrant elk]

Brave also has a search engine that it claims is "completely transparent in it's search results" while keeping the source code proprietary.

[vagrant elk]

Not sure about that, I just got a notification today when I opened a new tab so if it did exist before I just never noticed.

At least it's just building on top of Jitsi which is decent enough.

Not sure if I'd necessarily use it but I guess it's good if you don't want to use Microsoft Teams, Zoom and others. Not sure how much it could be trusted either but I'm sure someone will find a use for it.

[crimson wigeon]

[young pecan]

I mean... I'm fine using MSTeams, but that's built for the express purpose of work and education.

Nobody should be actually using MSTeams for social shit.

[crimson wigeon]

Microsoft certainly wants you to with the new integration in Windows 11

[vagrant elk]

I have one use for Brave Talk. I don't trust using a webcam on Windows so if I became a vtuber I'd be running the vtuber software on my Linux laptop, passing through the vtuber model to the call and recording the call on Windows with it resized slightly so it looks proper.

[young pecan]

MS wants a lot of stuff, fortunately they don't get it a lot.

[vagrant elk]

There's other ways to do it but that is definitely the easiest and laziest way to accomplish that.

[young pecan]

Oh?

[vagrant elk]

I just view it this way: I get a free coffee or two every month from using the browser and the built-in adblocker sometimes catches things that my other stuff doesn't.

[crimson wigeon]

Dunno that all just sounds like a slightly spruced up meet.jit.si

[vagrant elk]

A free Jitsi Meet.

[young pecan]

Mine on GPU and get a free coffee once every 2 or 3 days. 👌

[vagrant elk]

Otherwise I'd have to own a server ad host it myself.

[young pecan]

10 times faster than being annoyed by Brave.

[vagrant elk]

With my CPU and GPU I was making around $2-3 per day depending on how the market was that day.

[young pecan]

Hey I mean that's an alright coffee every day.

[crimson wigeon]

Brave is yet another Chromium browser, ech
And I lost what little BAT I had gained because getting it out of the browser is hard.. maybe it's easier now

[vagrant elk]

You either have to link Uphold or Gemini to get it out.

I realised that having it stuck in my browser is bad in case I ever have to reset the operating system and all of that lovely stuff so I made a creator account, donate all of it to myself and will eventually withdrawal it from there.

[young pecan]

Ngl I want someone to make a browser that just does basic browser stuff and I can throw in plugins for more functionality I care about.

Closest shit to that is just default chromium.

Otherwise it's something like Iridium and it's lack of any memory, Brave with the added random BS, etc.

Mozilla please remake Firebird to those specifications. :(

[vagrant elk]

I gave up on the browser hunt a long time ago. Ungoogled Chromium and GNU IceCat were my two favourites but the only distribution that has them both that I have found so far is Fedora. They aren't supported on Windows at all so I just settled on Brave which is my next best browser. Not perfect but at least I can download it for virtually every platform and update it with ease.

[young pecan]

Iridium is pretty good.

Just needs to log my shit so I don't have to search everything through google all the time. ._.

[vagrant elk]

Not sure why but Iridium never gave me a good experience. I even tried modifying settings and it was always a frustrating experience.

[young pecan]

It's good but only with very heavy modifications.

[vagrant elk]

To be fair, Ungoogled Chromium has a horrible settings interface as well.

[crimson wigeon]

Great

[young pecan]

Hmm.

Do we think adblock will work?

Using either BetterDiscord plugins or maybe PiHole?

[earnest jay]

YouTube Premium free with Discord Nitro? 😆

[young pecan]

That'd be pog.

[earnest jay]

Though it kind of feels like wishful thinking. 😆

[chrome estuary]

Maybe YouTube Premium free with discord nitro only while inside the discord app

[pale sigil]

It's pretty cool ngl

It's gonna make a lot of things great but I csn imagine it's going to be user side

Aka ads

I have youtube premium so I hope I can use it

Oh

Turns out I can do it now

XD

Even with a new decent router my mum and sister love to find problems with our Internet

Saying its slow

[young pecan]

Bruh.

JuSt gEt TeN GiGaBiT, 4HeAd, WhY dO MoViEs TaKE lONgeR ThAn 2 MinUtES tO DoWnLoAD?

[chrome estuary]

Ugh I would kill for faster internet. 8mbps sucks.

[old marlin]

EU wants to force USB-C on small devices

[reef patrol]

Old news-

[crimson wigeon]

And Apple's just gonna remove the port in that case

[reef patrol]

Oh I'm sure the EU would love to ban chargers altogether in favour of Qi 😛

[old marlin]

not on the charger side

on the device side

[reef patrol]

Also old news.

[old marlin]

huh

haven't heard of that before

[reef patrol]

They've been pushing for ONE common standard for years. No "apple charger" or "apple cable" just. "Charger.

[old marlin]

they have been pushing for the charger mainly afaik

[old marlin]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/microsoft-ocean-plastic-mouse/8xh06gbzm3nd

nice

[shadow minnow]

Which I really hope they do, wish they already did

[shadow minnow]

That’s nice. But also kinda wish it was more. Since when you throw it away still 80% “new” plastic in ocean

[old marlin]

ye

well you can't do 100%

since it would just fall apart

with 20% they probably can throw in close to any plastic

and 20% is 20% more than every other mouse

https://www.nager-it.de/maus

only other sustainable mouse that I am aware of

https://www.nager-it.de/static/pdf/lieferkette.pdf

they have their whole supply chain public

[shadow minnow]

True. Who knows, we may get to 80% one day. Or just completely different material

[old marlin]

ye

hopefully

[young pecan]

jUsT MeLt tHe pLaStIc tOgEtHeR, iT cAnT bE tHAT hArD.

[old marlin]

[shadow minnow]

Just gLuE it together using melted ocean plastic as GluE

If Xcode was for iPad, I would have possibly considered getting an iPad. But atm there are couple of things that would be useful for me, and MacBook covers some, while iPad some. So not buying any of them. If I could get everything in one device maybe.

[wheat plume]

O.o ArcoLinux just made a bunch of changes to .zshrc
Mine is on right the new one is on the left

[halcyon moss]

what are you trying to tell us Lana?

[wheat plume]

This is the first time I learned how to compare files like this using Meld

and I really like this program now

[ashen spindle]

.. how did you not use a merge tool a single time till now

[wheat plume]

idk.... but I wish I knew about this WAYYYY sooner than just today

[ashen spindle]

did you just never look at changes when pushing/pulling a git change? lol

[wheat plume]

it shows changes befor the commit

in whatever editor you use

and command line too

[young pecan]

So it's a worse version of BinaryNinja.

You'd probably love that.

It shows you how every variable links to everything else in a given piece of code and allows very in depth reverse engineering.

[wheat plume]

oh

for code

[young pecan]

Yep.

Will do down to 1s and 0s.

[wheat plume]

I heard of that one already for CTF challenges

[young pecan]

Honestly tho, BinaryNinja is fucking nut worthy.

[halcyon moss]

i used to use k3diff a lot

[wheat plume]

oooh

[young pecan]

If you ever wanted to fuck with proprietary code, that's how.

And it's so good, too.

It'll organize entire files into a smooth GUI with a simple drag and drop system for seeing what connects to where.

Full utility for researching and reverse engineering code and you can do stuff like check a variable against everything it links to for the sake of weeding out red herrings.

[ashen spindle]

I use winmerge and if something is too complicated for it I reject the commit

[young pecan]

To be fair Winmerge isn't really used for reverse engineering proprietary programs. :p

[ashen spindle]

ye

[young pecan]

Then again if you're such a hackerman that you actually need something like BN for work...

If that's the case then you kinda fuckin' terrify me just by existing.

[pale sigil]

@crimson wigeon @prisma crag

[latent mural]

would my wooting one wrist work for the wooting two he?

[pale sigil]

yes, it just wouldn't be as long

[latent mural]

but it will fit right?

i only need to press like wasd for gaming so yeah

[reef patrol]

Yes.

[latent mural]

ok thanks

[wheat plume]

???

[reef patrol]

[empty wren]

Well if it was exfat, the system must have been fat before, Linux can only read fat32 and skinny.

exfat just ain't a ting

[wheat plume]

it worked until now no bother...

I installed this and it works again

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/dylan522p/status/1441117758234640385

Dylan Patel (@dylan522p)

AMD and MediaTek reportedly in talks to form JV
This joint venture that will be dedicated to developing SoC chips combining Wi-Fi, 5G and high transmission technologies for notebooks.
This wouldn't be mobile graphics like some are reporting!
$AMD $MRVL $AVGO $INTC $QCOM

Twitter · Sep 23, 2021, 7:10 PM

amd integrated wifi etc. could perhaps be a great thing for future devices like the steam deck

[chrome estuary]

that would be cool

[ashen spindle]

@fickle ore https://videocardz.com/newz/kioxia-pcie-5-0-prototype-ssd-bandwidth-reaches-14-gb-s-of-sequential-read

[fair gull]

it only says will be able to not have to

[true quest]

herman miller worth or nah

[young pecan]

Extremely so.

Getting an extremely good office chair is 1000% worth it if you use it often.

[true quest]

want to try one of their "gamin" chairs

[young pecan]

Doesn't matter if you're spending 2 grand on it, a well built one will last decades and be cheaper than spinal surgery because your posture is shit.

Look at getting a HM Mirra, I can speak for how good those are, but defo see about trying the various others.

[young pecan]

Also no, gaming chairs are almost completely garbage and what HM does normally will do better. :p

[true quest]

not a racing seat chair

[young pecan]

100%

[true quest]

you've confused me

again from the top

[young pecan]

Sec.

https://www.hermanmiller.com/en_au/products/seating/office-chairs/mirra-2-chairs/ Personally have used this before, the gen 1 version. Was amazing.

Knowing my own body I'd instead just pony up and buy this. https://www.hermanmiller.com/en_au/products/seating/office-chairs/aeron-chairs/

[latent mural]

how tall are you aeon

[young pecan]

But you should go to an office shop and actually try a bunch of the better rep chairs. Some cheaper stuff in the few hundred (AUD) range do exist, though I find HM just has a fantastic rep.

[young pecan]

About 165~

Last time I measured my height was a long time ago, so I can only give you a rough number. But it'll be somewhere near that.

[latent mural]

first of all, short gang

second of all, thanks for the recs

[young pecan]

[young pecan]

Np, I got posture heavily drilled into me as a kid.

Raised around a doctor, medical advice is not to be fucked with when proven correct, and I am not interested in the medical costs that come with shitty posture.

[latent mural]

are you me but australian

wtf

[young pecan]

[daring ivy]

https://www.bouty.com/en/node/467

Best chair ever, made in Canada with 10 year warranty

[vagrant elk]

I wish I could say the same. I have really good posture while gaming, or at least I think it's good. Then at night I start slouching more and more till I'm eventually not even on the chair.

[vagrant pagoda]

Loo

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/teamgroup-shows--with-liquid-cooling

[chrome estuary]

What is eSSD?

External?

[reef patrol]

One would assume. Over C

[reef patrol]

Get yours today!

[fair gull]

have 4 pairs

[old marlin]

https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/1441086122839339015

Marques Brownlee (@MKBHD)

iPhone 13 Pro vs Magsafe duo charger (they'll probably need to make a new one) https://t.co/fYF59AZvgu

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how is this real

[fair gull]

great closed ecosystem

[crimson wigeon]

It just works

[old marlin]

it might work 10-20% worse than before

but it works

ig

[pale sigil]

Imagine paying $130 for wireless charging

[fair gull]

imagine paying the apple tax

[pale sigil]

You just offended my ipad

[old marlin]

good

[fair gull]

good

thats what u get for offending me

[wheat plume]

Google are working on implementing an Idle Detection API into Chrome...

To let websites know if you are actively looking at your device or not

[crimson wigeon]

Makes sense and probably would work better than the current sketchy ways like tracking mouse motion

[wheat plume]

FUCK OFF

xd

Settings now constantly nags you to use Edge

[crisp granite]

...

Yep

Edge can succ my shrinkie winkie

[earnest jay]

@wheat plume which OS?

[wheat plume]

Windows

[earnest jay]

Windows 10 I bet, as it started pestering me as well today about Edge.

[wheat plume]

yeah...

this banner at the top of settings wasnt there until the new update for me

[earnest jay]

Oh, it's been there for a long time, at least for me.

I always ignore that little section.

[wheat plume]

oh

[earnest jay]

I had even forgotten about it until you brought it up. 😆

[wheat plume]

welp

[reef patrol]

https://stickers.advaith.io/

Anyone know how to rip sticker files out of a page like this? I need them for a gif xD

Specifically the Scream one from the Sassy Peach list.

[reef patrol]

Hmm... looks like it's SVG that's being animated on the fly.

[old marlin]

tf

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah how else do they look so sharp and smooth

[reef patrol]

If you look at the elements, you can see the code transform the element on the fly every frame with coords. Kind of trippy.

[fair gull]

cause the website (lottie) uses svg / gif

[reef patrol]

Shame I haven't found a way to capture it. 😄

[fair gull]

mod the code to spit out gif

[reef patrol]

Ended up taking a Screenshot and making this static sticker.

[fair gull]

just

https://discordjs.moe/3rxeuld84162.mp4

there

mp4 tutorial

returns all the apng files

apng = animated png

@reef patrol

[reef patrol]

But... it still isn't a PNG 😄

It's an SVG with several elements being manipulated every frame individually.

[fair gull]

follow the tutorial

literally rteturns the png

u have to switch animation after editing

[reef patrol]

Yes... of the stickers that are PNGs xD

[fair gull]

so it reloads it

if u make that edit it cant retrieve an svg

unless

it might use local storage

to store svgs

to not reload them all the time

i mean when worst comes just copy the url out of discord

[reef patrol]

That would require me to have... big nitro 😛

[fair gull]

actyually also svg

[fair gull]

@reef patrol http://distok.top/stickers/

[reef patrol]

Welp... Discord can't render APNG xD

[fair gull]

the offer gif

[fair gull]

corrupted

rly

[reef patrol]

Aliased as hell but it'll do.

[fair gull]

if u want

u can take the lottie link

and convert the lottie json (the svg source) to gif

https://github.com/transitive-bullshit/puppeteer-lottie

there

u can basically make it super high quality

[reef patrol]

[fair gull]

cleaned up my psa1 and xlr cable

by pulling the cable through the arm

not running the cable outside

[pale sigil]

my pc is fucking cursed

[reef patrol]

We know.

[fair gull]

we know

[reef patrol]

This is recorded fact.

[fair gull]

send gpu now

[pale sigil]

cpu temps suddenly high af

performance in dx12 games suck

66c pretty much justdiscord

ye my room is hot

but fuckin ell

ok temps better

it was dust

lol

[ashen spindle]

[pale sigil]

FUCKING WORK

no fps softwarew will work, or well nvidia experience did but then died

[ashen spindle]

fps software?

[pale sigil]

to track my clocks etc

1% framerate

etc

[ashen spindle]

ah you mean afterburner and such

[pale sigil]

ye

never works for me

rarely ever has

[ashen spindle]

try this https://github.com/CXWorld/CapFrameX

[pale sigil]

oh

ok

[ashen spindle]

dev is a bit of a moron but seems like a functional skin for presentmon so might jsut work

which part am I supposed to look at

[pale sigil]

do you recognise it

doesn't look like rivatune

[ashen spindle]

isnt riva just using the same thing as afterburner?

[reef patrol]

Looks like afterburner but with a different font.

[pale sigil]

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/arctic-p12-black-case-fan-120mm-fg-04g-ar.html

also is this fine?

or shall i go for a better one

gonna finally get around to putting 3 fans at the front

as rn i just use corsair

[reef patrol]

Arctic makes perfectly decent fans. One of that variant is supposed to be GOAT I think?

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/TheBattlEye/status/1441477816311291906

BattlEye (@TheBattlEye)

BattlEye has provided native Linux and Mac support for a long time and we can announce that we will also support the upcoming Steam Deck (Proton). This will be done on an opt-in basis with game developers choosing whether they want to allow it or not.

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[pale sigil]

ye Quin said, i just havent been in the fan game for years

and im not after rgb

as long as its 4 pin lol

[wheat plume]

Battl Eye!

[reef patrol]

Same. I just remember the P12 😄

[pale sigil]

damn son

why does choosing white cost you xD

[reef patrol]

Cause it's less popular.

[pale sigil]

crashes the game xD

[ashen spindle]

then try regular ass present mon

[shadow minnow]

Pretty sure afterburner just runs riva when using on screen stats

[reef patrol]

....yes. You are correct. 🙂

[pale sigil]

@ashen spindle

:S

i swear the fps feels like 40-60 sometimes

[misty saffron]

the fuck

i wonder how bad it is

can’t really expect quality from bastian suter though

[ashen spindle]

I mean if it feels like 40fps but is not 40fps there issue is elsewhere

monitor or something maybe

[pale sigil]

trust them to run out of 5 pack p12s

22 quid for 5 is great

Damn it xD

[astral haven]

But you don't get the dual bearing version for that :(

[empty wren]

Hopefully those spikes do not exist in the campaign as $60 is high asking pricing.

[timid chasm]

Of the 2 previews I've played they get worse so I expect some real shit on release 😛

[empty wren]

If multiplayer plays poorly not a big deal, it is free and will work like a service model.

[timid chasm]

not a big deal as far as you don't lose any money but a shit show

and if MP plays poorly campaign probably will too

[empty wren]

I just am wondering where the money went

Halo Infinite is supposed to be the most costly game to make in history

[timid chasm]

That...baffles me

[empty wren]

I hope not, but that sounds true. Feel a little salty about occasional hiccups in the master chief collection.

[timid chasm]

For MP my issues aren't even network related. It's things like how movement and aiming feels as well as the audio. It's hard to believe issues like that won't carry over

[empty wren]

What is wrong with movement may I ask?

[timid chasm]

Might not be for everybody but it feels more sluggish than the last preview and the "floatiness" feels awful

but that could be personal preference

[empty wren]

Like less responsive?

Animations?

[timid chasm]

normal movement feels less responsive the float is like when you jump you just feel like you hover

maybe I'm just too used to faster paced games

[empty wren]

Not sure if you played Halo 5 Guardians

But they really dialed back the movement

[timid chasm]

oh yes but that was just a shit show in general from what I remember

[empty wren]

I can understand why people disliked it, but the movement made more sense even if some of it was overpowered ahem spartan smash

[timid chasm]

I don't remember movement being any of my issues when I played it. I remember despising the campaign though

[empty wren]

Oh

Is there sliding in the preview of Halo Infinite?

[timid chasm]

yes, as far as I remember it just feels like normal crouch sliding

Nothing too insane but it doesn't feel noticeably short

[empty wren]

Well that kinda makes somewhat up for thruster loss I guess.

About the aiming do you mean aim assist?

I heard people say it is quite strong.

[timid chasm]

I haven't played enough this preview to notice yet tbh. I thought we could turn it off last time?

Sensitivity feels like it changed since last time unless the settings were reverted and it doesn't show as reverted. Last time they had some weird issues with settings after each game launch. Not sure if that has persisted or not

Surely they don't enforce aim assist on m/kb? SURELY not

Apparently wooting movement works well though based on the 1 comment I found on the forums

[empty wren]

Could be nice for vehicles, mouse movement disrupts aim assist and do does keyboard press, and if it stops the 1ms after aim assist turns on.

[timid chasm]

Fuck developers in 2021 who register each wheel scroll for swapping between two weapons

at least without giving us the option to choose how it's interpreted

[empty wren]

What do you mean?

I comprehend the first part

[timid chasm]

to choose whether our scroll wheel is interpreted as swap weapon within x ms or if it means each individual scroll is a weapon swap

[empty wren]

Ah

[timid chasm]

I think it's referred to it as delta vs binary but I refer to it as annoying bullshit :p

I don't want to have to ensure I scrolled an odd number of times to change weapons

[pale sigil]

I'd swap my 3080 for this one on a heart beat

"deal"

[timid chasm]

the deal is that it's available

[pale sigil]

Got annoyed

Still worked out cheaper with delivery so I'm happy

White version was £3 something vs £7 on amazon

[timid chasm]

oooo thermal paste. That reminds me, I wonder if mine Tech Ingredients will ship soon

[pale sigil]

How come pcie risers cost so much

[pale sigil]

OK so apparently gen 4 cables need a repeater or something

Which is why they cost so much

[pale sigil]

Eh I need to calm down xD

[timid chasm]

but why are you so expensive?

[reef patrol]

Use a Gen3 cable, plop in a card without Riser first, force Gen3 on the PCI-E lane and then use it.

[pale sigil]

Aye I read about that option too

Kinda tempted to get one today

Same day delivery

£20

[reef patrol]

Using Gen3 cables is only really a right bother if you're custom water cooling. If my BIOS resets for any reason, I may have to literally hold my GPU while someone inserts a temporary one, boots up and changes the option back, then take it out again, so I can reconnect it.

Unless I start removing tubes of course 😄

[pale sigil]

Tbh

Worst case I return

It's just something I've always wanted to do lol

[reef patrol]

Just make sure the GPU gets enough air.

[pale sigil]

Aye

Should do

I have all them fans coming too

But I shouldn't

Idk reeee

Just spent £30 on the fans

And I paid off a off a chunk of my PayPal

So maybe I shouldn't this month

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

Me battery failing on me

[vagrant elk]

Okay I literally don't know how but we went from Anbox which always froze on me and was borderline unusable to Waydroid which runs like it's natively running Lineage OS... ON A PINEPHONE.

This is madness and I am so happy that I can run some android apps that don't properly work on Linux that I might cry.

[timid chasm]

Well when you live as long as an elf does your stocks typically do well

[vagrant elk]

There's only one thing that doesn't work properly with Waydroid but given that it's in beta I'd give it a pass on this minor thing. Fullscreen horizontal mode does not work and instead splits the display into two halves: the left half being the content, the right half being the phone's wallpaper.

[timid chasm]

So long as you got the time and a decent portfolio, sure, you'll be good. Unless you're just one of those players who like the risk/reward game of trying to stay up on the next quick buck.

I imagine most peoples luck eventually runs out though

[fair gull]

the real question is

does the pinephone come with 1tb of emmc

[vagrant elk]

I absolutely adore Pine64 and would invest in them even though I know they are niche. They have a vision that I approve of, publish schematics of every single device publicly, and try to create cheap devices that can be used for developing for weird platforms (such as a Linux phone).

[vagrant elk]

32GB eMMC maximum but it supports up to 2TB microSD cards.

[fair gull]

yes but i can have 2tb in my current one aswell

additionally to the 1tb emmc it has

[vagrant elk]

It is but here's why I bought one:

• Spare parts are readily available from Pine64 and many other vendors
• Schematics are publicly posted
• Linux has more privacy that Windows, Android, or iOS
• The ability to virtualise Android if you need certain apps
• The kill switches are amazing, allows me to permanently have my microphone disabled and I can disable my GPS if I ever drive somewhere
• Removable battery
• I simply enjoy tinkering and the device seemed like a good idea, which it was

[timid chasm]

I can disable my GPS if I ever drive somewhere

Found the murderer

[vagrant elk]

The PinePhone at the moment is mainly a development device but I'm sure they could release a 1TB eMMC in the future if it started getting really good in terms of software support and the demand is there.

Not true. People buy electric vehicles and remove those devices, the vehicle just doesn't like that.

Kind of like how people like Snowden buy phones and then desolder the microphone, GPS and other electronics.

[reef patrol]

And then people make fake GPS replacers to keep the cars happy 😄

[vagrant elk]

Exactly Mansen! 😄

[fair gull]

i also like losing my device and not being able to find it cause i desoldered my gps

very cool to do

[young pecan]

Hmmm.

[thick elk]

I follow the pinephone, but right now I can't warrant it for me, even as a toy.
Still having the linux ecosystem entering the phone space would be great.

[young pecan]

How many linux distros exist that're built for mobile use from the ground up?

[timid chasm]

-1?

[vagrant elk]

Waydroid is a huge improvement over Anbox @thick elk! Near-native performance when running LineageOS but it does have a rotation issue I mentioned above. Still, I am happy that a tinkering device works and is at the point that it can be an extremely basic daily driver.

[vagrant elk]

Take a gander.

https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=PinePhone_Software_Releases

[thick elk]

Still doesn't change that the base hardware is not that powerful to begin with.

[vagrant elk]

True but it is enough if you mostly just call and text like I do. In that sense it is a daily driver but I know most people need a lot more than that.

It runs YouTube through NewPipe pretty flawlessly unless you rotate it as well.

Bad screen? It's good enough for a basic development device which, as they say on their website, is the target audience.

[young pecan]

That sounds so shit, ngl.

May as well get any decent phone and Graphene.

[vagrant elk]

I'm not trying to sell you guys one, just saying it's enough for me.

[fair gull]

phone works flawless except it explodes after booting up

[young pecan]

Use graphene.

[vagrant elk]

Besides, Waydroid is in beta and only became available as a package 9 days ago so the fact that I have only found that one bug so far is not a red flag. It will be fixed.

[thick elk]

Just in terms of performance, really don't demand the top of the line but going for something at least on a par with a pi4 in terms of cpu cores and a 1080p screen would go a long way.

[vagrant elk]

Raspberry Pi 4b: Broadcom BCM2711, Quad core Cortex-A72 (ARM v8) 64-bit SoC @ 1.5GHz
PinePhone: Allwinner A64, 64-bit Quad-core 1.2 GHz ARM Cortex A-53

They really aren't that different. Sure one is a bit faster but not by much.

It's 4x Cortex A53s versus 4x Cortex A72s.

[fair gull]

ya the a72 crushes an a53

[vagrant elk]

Keep in mind that the PinePhone has to be a phone as well so power consumption matters a lot.

[fair gull]

the fact that a lot of big phones also use a70series cores

makes this kinda mute

[vagrant elk]

Fair enough.

[fair gull]

like they could easily mix arm cores to have perf cores and efficiency cores

like any modern phone does

[vagrant elk]

I'm just trying to point out that as a development device it's good enough. Same with a basic daily driver, it works. If you need the latest and greatest, definitely not for you.

[fair gull]

even for a dev device its shit

cause if the real device turns out to use way better cpu

one could dev for it

[vagrant elk]

How? Applications open just fine, searching applications works fine, using the device is just fine. There are a few very specific things that make me sit and wait but it's never for very long and it's normally for something like updating Aurora Store.

A Linux ARM-based development device. Huge difference.

[thick elk]

Usually I find the difference quite noticable in basic ui responsiveness even

[fair gull]

still not a great dev device imo

unless the hardware we get rn is actually what they wanna produce for the future

aka only efficiency based cores

[thick elk]

The difference is even quite noticable between a snapdragon 821 and a 860 between my phones, just opening settings for example.

[fair gull]

imo a good route rn is just

[thick elk]

All I am saying is I want at least something a little bit more performant before having it even as a secondary device.

[fair gull]

buy good phone

graphene

done

[thick elk]

Graphene os does not seem to cover what I would want at all.
I like linux on phones because of the openness it provides, I don't need a security hardened privacy focussed device. per se.
Besides that only supporting pixel phones kind of makes it a no-go in my books.

[crimson wigeon]

Pixels are also only officially available in like 5 countries so that makes it a no go for many

[thick elk]

what would be the fifth region? it has us canada, eu and uk from what I can see

[misty saffron]

the ifixit screwdriver indeed fixes anything

[reef patrol]

[fair gull]

should send that with the caption to them on twitter

[shadow minnow]

Does not look like it tbh

[solar hinge]

So sad... I have to take out my 3090

Then i can fit 2x3080 for mining

[vagrant pagoda]

Smh why not dual 3090s

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Staggering-M1X-performance-predictions-place-the-upcoming-10-core-Apple-Silicon-ahead-of-a-2019-16-core-Mac-Pro.565265.0.html

[solar hinge]

Doesn't fit

But i was just going for the triggers, I just took it out for cleaning... already have two 3080s via Riser cables 💯

[wheat plume]

At least he has a case

My friend doesn't
His computer is just laying on a sheet of acrylic

The front IO is just hanging to the side and the SSD is off the side of his desk hanging on by the SATA cable

[wheat plume]

I keep forgetting Americans call USB sticks as "flash drives"

I was so confused for a few moments

[astral haven]

Well that's what they are lol

[true quest]

i call it usb drive

[reef patrol]

pen drive

[astral haven]

Thumb drive

I actually get a lot of customers who call them zip discs

[wheat plume]

O.o

Oo...

Turns off the USB C port

Fancy

[crisp granite]

nice hands owo

[wheat plume]

Not me

[astral haven]

In a feature on Samsung since the Galaxy S5

[wheat plume]

I don't have pixel

I want pixel

I might wait to see what the 6A will be like and get that

[astral haven]

And the S5 had a water damage cover on the USB micro port

Lol

Ye it's pretty hype for the custom google chips

[empty wren]

Do not expect Tensor on it, maybe next years A series

[astral haven]

What

[empty wren]

I doubt the pixel 6a will have tensor

[astral haven]

That would be super dumb

Use the tensor downbins that don't make the spec in the 6...

[wheat plume]

Hmmmm

YouTube for 6 hours

Almost 7

[wheat plume]

Isnt Tensor a rebranded Exynos?

[astral haven]

No

[empty wren]

Google designed the chip

[astral haven]

Tensor is custom google

[empty wren]

Samsung manufactured

[wheat plume]

Ahhh...

Nice

Finally
The people who make the software, make the hardware in full too

It'll be like Apple level performance!

[astral haven]

The cores are gonna be very similar to the cores in exynos but google is making their custom ipu stronger

[empty wren]

I guess we will see, they did ramp up Pixel 6 production so it is not totally out of the question

[wheat plume]

Hope the battery life is better than Exynos

[empty wren]

Knowing Google probably

Also 5000mah battery on Pixel 6 Pro helps

[astral haven]

Unlikely
Apple focuses hard on the software battery optimizations so they can use much larger cores and it doesn't hurt the battery much

[empty wren]

Apple has way too much control

Is why they can do that, and how iphone can get away with even less than 1080p while looking normal

[wheat plume]

SHE GOES TO DEFCON !!!
WOW

I didn't realize that you shouldn't ever use Bluetooth at that convention.... Xd

[astral haven]

Apple still manges to put cores that are closer to arm neoverse than anyone else's consumer cores
It's pretty impressive

[empty wren]

Apple has mastered arm at this point as well

[astral haven]

All wireless should be disabled at all times while nearby there

[wheat plume]

And the dang thing runs iOS
Which can't do multitasking shit

So it's wasted

[astral haven]

Well not exactly

If it could multitask the battery would be garbage

[wheat plume]

Split screen? Nah
PiP? Nah
Mini window? Nah

[empty wren]

Yes pip

[astral haven]

They can pip now

[wheat plume]

iPadOS has entered the chat

[empty wren]

With YouTube premium XD

[wheat plume]

iPadOS can multitask like a fucking champ

[astral haven]

Iphone battery in an ipad would be done in 3 hours

[crisp granite]

having daily drived iPadOS for about a week or two now, I can agree

[empty wren]

Probably less

Huge screen

And pro motion

[wheat plume]

How much larger is the ipad battery?

[crisp granite]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

quick google time

[astral haven]

6k vs 2.5 a few years ago

[wheat plume]

Not the M1 model

[empty wren]

11,560

[wheat plume]

Cause that's a different architecture

[astral haven]

Oh jesus

[empty wren]

In 4th generation

For reference

[astral haven]

Ok yea 2 hours

[empty wren]

7th gen is less

[wheat plume]

What gen is just before the M1 chip model?

[empty wren]

iPad pro(2021) 7538

[crisp granite]

:|

[wheat plume]

Hmm

[crisp granite]

how the fuck does one read and comprehend that?

ah...

[wheat plume]

7538mAh

That's pretty crappy for a tablet
bUt MuH ThInNesS

[astral haven]

That's not that low?

[empty wren]

Not at all with apple

[astral haven]

Screens aren't thaaaaat huge either

[wheat plume]

For tablet? That has speedy screen and can run many many apps on screen at once?

Yes that's small

[empty wren]

Yeah and does it not have a ltpo panel

[astral haven]

What

[empty wren]

A screen with variable refresh rate basically

[crisp granite]

still does like...8-10 hours of constant use as well 👌

[astral haven]

I'm aware

[crisp granite]

at least in my experience, on my 4th gen iPad air

[astral haven]

Apple has been using ltpo on everything for 5+ years...

Maybe some of the MacBooks took longer

[empty wren]

Which can go down to like 1 frame

[astral haven]

Ltpo doesn't mean vrr btw

[crisp granite]

oh...battery capacity of the 4th gen air is 11560mAh...
nut-worthy?

[astral haven]

My laptop has an ltpo backplane but it doesn't support vrr

[empty wren]

Maybe your display is still somewhat more efficient than without it though

[misty saffron]

have you actually seen what's inside it?

2/5 of the space is taken by speakers

[wheat plume]

O.o

How much space for battery?

[wheat plume]

Oh

Split into 4 pieces

[astral haven]

All oleds have them as of 2015
At least any OLED that supports always on display natively

[astral haven]

This is also somewhat inaccurate since you can do vrr without ltpo as described

Heck you can do freesync/gdync over edp on any panel whatsoever

What makes ltpo special is that you can turn off the input clock to the display panel and the image will remain as long as the supply / backlight voltage remains

[empty wren]

Yes but you need extra hardware, which is why ltpo exists

[solar hinge]

Nope, just a studio that is dusty AF. The case even has a dust filter that I clean every two weeks (but the case wasn't closed on one side, so still pulled it in, I have been lazy with tidying it up 😁)
But yeah, fans running at 75% 24/7 for mining

I think more from cooking

And also humid yes

The pc is basically opposite of the stove

But i'm replacing the thermal pads this weekend/next week and then I'll clean it off with alcohol

[astral haven]

Nope
Edp natively is vrr capable so you just need a vrr capable display

My old laptop was that setup

[astral haven]

thats different

tho my apple laptops only let you turn off the backlight

and my windows laptops only let me turn off the display entirely

[astral haven]

are you using the sleep button with the sleep button changed to "turn off display"

[misty saffron]

what are you doing step block

😳

[misty saffron]

making a coop mod for windows xp minesweeper

actually easier than expected

[astral haven]

yea that is irrelevant, the backlight driver ic is what determines that

what

did you do a fresh install after receiving it?

ah

well then thats your fault

at least its not an hp

20% cpu usage on long idle

the laptop literally was always warm

oh no the sleep button

has to be the sleep button

[misty saffron]

ok who wants to play coop minesweeper

[crisp granite]

uh...I doubt I'll have much time to along with the fun of wildly different time zones but I'd totally be down if you'd sauce the files

better than chess with Tony at least

(I love ya tony...you just need to go full tryhard next time, because it's not fun if no one tries )

[misty saffron]

if said game isn’t shit then yea

[timid chasm]

Ohhh, so that's why you do what you do with Tarkov 😛

[misty saffron]

damn it's freezing indeed

[fair gull]

how about: no

[wheat plume]

even never looked into this tab much before
This is neat

[vagrant elk]

NVIDIA X Settings are awesome in some ways but a huge let down in others. There are some useful settings but it's missing a lot of features compared to the NVIDIA Control Panel on Windows. Not sure if that is because they don't care about Linux or because X has its own limitations.

Changing power profile was huge for me when it came to gaming with proton.

Fan curves and overclocking for NVIDIA GPUs is also technically possible on Linux through GreenWithEnvy which is a package that seems to get very little attention.

[wheat plume]

Green With Envy is only Flatpak?

[vagrant elk]

Unfortunately yes but it is a good tool. I was unable to find alternatives at the time so that's what I used, seems to still be the most recommended tool.

[wheat plume]

I just found it in the ArcoLinux repo

[vagrant elk]

Wait, does Arco Linux have their own packaged version in the AUR? If so you're seriously selling me on their distribution.

[wheat plume]

They have a couple of their own repos

Arco
Arco_3rd_party
Arco_xl

[vagrant elk]

You've shown me just how useful their repos are in the past, it truly is a deeply loved distribution by the developers.

[wheat plume]

The main guy is Erik Dubois
His youtube channel is a great way to keep up to date with whats going on with the distro

and gain more knowledge about Linux in general

[wheat plume]

Thats not the AUR, thats their 3rd_party repo

They are working on adding popular software from AUR into their own repos so no one needs to wait for build times everytime

[vagrant elk]

Oh, right. Forgot about that part. They grab popular packages from the AUR, build it themselves and put it in their own repositories.

[wheat plume]

yes yes

[vagrant elk]

That saves so much time on poor 4-core laptops that freeze when compiling Ungoogled-Chromium. Seriously, don't try it unless you have lots of RAM, a decent CPU and a lot of patience.

[wheat plume]

Yeah... I bet :')

[vagrant elk]

I tried it once on my 4-core laptop with 16GB of RAM, don't know what I was thinking. The laptop froze, was extremely hot to the touch and after forcing it to shutdown it refused to turn on for almost 10 minutes. It would just flash the light on to show it has power and instantly end itself.

[wheat plume]

o.o

[vagrant elk]

Ever since that day I've treated it to Fedora, the only distribution I have found so far that has Brave Browser, Ungoogled Chromium, GNU IceCat and I think it has LibreWolf as well. Thankfully there is no compiling and through what I have seen it has the most packages available out of any distribution once you add in the tainted-nonfree and other repositories.

[wheat plume]

ah

flatpak 🤔

ArcoLinux Tweak Tool just got a new tab....!!

[vagrant elk]

The amount of utilities Arco Linux has is insane.

[wheat plume]

Yep :D and other than these tools, its running on pure Arch kernel and whatnot

[vagrant elk]

The repositories, the tweaks, the shortcuts. I'm kind of jealous, there is no other distribution that spoils you like that.

Actually, there is one that kind of spoils and ruins you at the same time: QubesOS. Since it can run any Linux distribution it technically is the most versatile but it has no 3D acceleration, no support for GPUs (especially NVIDIA), and is quite picky on what hardware it likes and dislikes.

[wheat plume]

They want to keep in mind users that use things like i3, qtile etc
Those dont have their own system settings apps as they arent true desktops
So they build these tools to allow users to manage the system instead of needing to use the command line

[vagrant elk]

That is actually one of the nicest things a developer can do. That is amazing. If you account for everyone, even the niche users, everyone will be happier rather than complaining x tool/utility doesn't work because they have a niche setup.

[wheat plume]

the Tweak Tool is literally a python script with a GUI to interact with it

so it can run practically anywhere

each tab is its own script, so you can edit it if you want also

[vagrant elk]

I disagree with Python but I can't be mad, it's a simple language that is portable to many operating systems, CPU architectures and desktop environments while doing a simple task for something that doesn't need to be the fastest.

Meanwhile the suckless developers would start screaming and demand that it gets rewritten in C.

[wheat plume]

the scripts are bash iirc

the gui is python

so yeah, should be easy AF to port to any language

[vagrant elk]

Python is actually quite good for making a GUI. Last I tried it was a relatively simple process once you learned how it worked and what libraries to use unless you're a masochist that only writes your own.

[wheat plume]

Im trying to find the scripts.... idk where they are anymore

[vagrant elk]

It isn't the fastest in terms of performance but for a simple toggle switch GUI I'd be more than satisfied with it.

[wheat plume]

oohhh

they are python scripts

[vagrant elk]

I'm sure you could rewrite them in bash if you wanted to but I don't think it would be worthwhile.

[wheat plume]

yeah fuck that LOL

The Tweak Tool needs sudo access to open, so its able to modify system files when needed

and install any software thats missing

[vagrant elk]

Luke Smith would like to have a word, why don't you use doas? (sarcasm by the way)

[wheat plume]

LOL

oh, the Chaotic repo is a neat one, tbh

[vagrant elk]

It's very similar to what Arco Linux do: precompiling AUR packages that are popular. It's extremely useful.

[wheat plume]

yeah :D idk all the packages in there though

I should check it out sometime

do I need to relog? I just enabled the repo but no data is loading in

[vagrant elk]

I think you just run a repository sync.

sudo pacman -Syu and it should pull in all of the Chaotic repository information.

[wheat plume]

Yeah! that worked

wait what

its just showing me packages from arcolinux 3rd_party

nvm, its fine now

🤔 wonder what this is

[vagrant elk]

There's a lot of weird packages for Linux where I don't understand what they do. Shells, some extremely weird fonts I've found in the past, weird programs that don't seem to have a purpose. It's always interesting to explore.

[wheat plume]

o.o This repo has the Yaru theme and Yaru sound pack

Hell yeah I am installing that

🤤

wish I could change the accent colors though

[vagrant elk]

I wish I remember what that tool was called.

There was a tool I found that let you take an existing theme and modify accent colours and such, repackage it for you and it would just work.

I found the tool for GTK but I don't think KDE uses GTK themes, I think GTK is just for Gnome.

[wheat plume]

Kde uses gtk themes for when you install a gtk app on plasma desktop

There is even a settings page for gtk apps in system settings

By default, it tries to match them with your qt theme
But if it can't it defaults to breeze

Or breeze dark if your qt color scheme is dark

[vagrant elk]

Maybe this is controversial but wouldn't it be best if everything in the Linux world moved to using QT or GTK to set a standard and make the experience as consistent as possible?

[crisp granite]

variety is the spice of life

[vagrant elk]

I guess different environments want different looks but at the same time it's kind of annoying in some capacity when things aren't consistent.

[crisp granite]

it's not a good day unless you're pondering every little bit of your personalised linux build

[vagrant elk]

If you use QubesOS you are using over 3 distributions of Linux at the same time in different qubes. Try synchronizing the themes in that environment! 😄

[vagrant elk]

I made a tiny oopsie while encrypting my PinePhone. The password is so complicated that it regularly takes me 5+ tries to enter it correctly and since it's such a long password I start shaking because if I mess up it'll take me minutes to enter it again for another attempt.

[timid chasm]

CTRL Z

[young pecan]

The downfall of overkill passwords.

[empty wren]

But pi is a good password just that 16 characters is too few

[vagrant elk]

Apparently the keyboard and the decryption are extremely finicky on the PinePhone as well which doesn't help. I verified 5 times in a row that I entered it correctly by going extremely slowly without entering more than the intended number of characters and making sure the characters entered were correct by the keyboard popup that happens. It was wrong 4 times in a row, the 5th time the exact same password got accepted.

[young pecan]

Ah.

That just sounds like more reasons to not use it.

Iirc you can install Linux on other devices, no?

[vagrant elk]

Well, it seems to be due to how encryption was implemented specifically in this case but I don't actually mind it. It just means that it's that much harder to get into the phone.

The reason I say it has to do with how the encryption was implemented in this case is because on PostmarketOS there was also full-disk encryption but you were able to mount your phone to laptops and other devices. With the Arch Linux full-disk encryption, my phone doesn't appear at all on other devices unless I use jumpdrive, a flashing tool made specifically for the PinePhone and PineTab.

[young pecan]

Right...

[vagrant elk]

It sounds like a lot of hassle but it does harden the device a bit this way. The decryption weirdness is definitely not intended but the device not mounting unless you use jumpdrive is awesome specifically because it means that if anyone gets my device and doesn't know about the program, they can't even get the device to mount so they can't even attempt to decrypt the drive.

[young pecan]

99% chance nobody on this discord is important enough to warrant it.

And honestly having security like that is hella sus.

[vagrant elk]

Oh yeah it's definitely overkill, I just thought it was neat.

[young pecan]

Just draws more attention than you'd end up being protected from.

And at the end of the day you sacrifice functionality for useless security.

Not very efficient.

[vagrant elk]

To be honest I don't even know if that behaviour is intended or unintended. Most developers are focusing on developing the actual operating system and packages for maximum performance, efficiency and extending battery life. The only distribution other than Arch Linux that has that option is PostmarketOS which has an actual installer similar to a desktop install while Arch Linux uses an install script on a computer with no other methods available at this time.

[young pecan]

Hardware is garbage, however.

Good for being cheap, but way too slow.

Now if the hardware was proper up with Apple and Samsung in terms of raw performance and the OS was actually user friendly?

Now then we'd have something going.

[vagrant elk]

It's a good development device though, and before we go back to the fight everyone has last time I said that, think about it this way: in games, program development and many other applications they target low-end hardware first and develop for that until they meet a certain performance goal. Their goal is to optimise for that bad device to make everything as good as it can be for all hardware, including newer hardware.

[young pecan]

Which is awesome, but I don't see anything stopping multiple tiers of phone from existing.

[vagrant elk]

From that point of view, it makes a bit of sense. Release a cheap device first to target applications for and release a more powerful device later once everything is polished a bit.

[young pecan]

Like everyone else.

Ngl I still see nothing stopping them from releasing PinePhone Lite and PinePhone Full or something.

One is powerful, the other is cheap as hell.

Both use the same OS.

[vagrant elk]

Well the good thing about the PinePhone too is that they have made sure that every revision of the motherboard is compatible with the same case so if they ever release more powerful hardware it's just a matter of me replacing the old motherboard with the new one.

[young pecan]

Which is still cool, but all versions of the device suck to use.

Ok development platform excuse, but if it's always a development platform you may as well not bother making it for the average person.

Which defeats the purpose of what it's even supposed to be.

[vagrant elk]

Considering that, I think it's a pretty good device. I know it's definitely not for everyone though so if you don't like it, don't buy it. It's just a happy accident that this bad device is good enough for me and keeps me happy.

[young pecan]

Yes but their own mission statement is to have a fully open phone.

Not a phone dev platform.

Were the later the case I can see the logic working, but it's supposed to be a fully open phone but doesn't have enough grunt to actually out compete most other things around the same price.

But if that changed I could absolutely see it being pog.

[vagrant elk]

From their official website:

The purpose of the PinePhone isn’t only to deliver a functioning Linux phone to end-users, but also to actively create a market for such a device, as well as to support existing and well established Linux-on-Phone projects. All major Linux Phone-oriented projects, as well as other FOSS OS’, are represented on the PinePhone and developers work together on our platform to bring support this this community driven device.

[young pecan]

Yes, their mission statement is to deliver a phone to end users and create a market for the device.

With the typical linux stuff, yes.

It's still not designed to be a development platform.

[vagrant elk]

From that I understand it as a Linux phone for end-users, and be a development device for future Linux phone projects/companies as mentioned here:

but also to actively create a market for such a device, as well as to support existing and well established Linux-on-Phone projects. All major Linux Phone-oriented projects, as well as other FOSS OS’, are represented on the PinePhone and developers work together on our platform to bring support to this community driven device.

Perhaps I understand it differently than other people though so if I misinterpret that then I will correct myself.

[young pecan]

It reads as though they want an open source phone for end users and a market for it, and once they have it they want community devs to keep the project going with new projects.

The device is not intended to be a dev platform, it's intended as an end user device that community developers create things for.

At least that's how it reads.

It's like saying Windows is a development platform because it has IDEs.

Yesn't, but mostly n't.

[vagrant elk]

Yeah, I can understand your point of view now that I read it a few more times. It's basically a statement saying both "a device for end-users" and "we want to create a market for such a device".

[young pecan]

Right, but Linux itself is essentially a dev OS at this stage.

Which is where that would apply.

[vagrant elk]

Is it possible that they are trying to target multiple audiences that contradict one another? Targeting end-users which makes it seems like it's done, developers so the software gets better from community members, and trying to create a market for such a device?

[young pecan]

Ngl I think they're doing their entire structure very wrong.

It's clearly appealing to privacy concerned and devs over end users.

Nobody actually wants to deal with Linux and all of it's stupid BS, most of all the end user.

[vagrant elk]

The reason I was originally stating it was a development platform is because it did say at one point on the website in bold letters "This device is for developers only." which is when I bought my device. There was some other stuff too but that was the biggest point at the time.

[young pecan]

It's contradictory, what'd make sense to do is having both. You make 2 PinePhones with one being low power and cheap, the other being high power and expensive.

[vagrant elk]

I just never realised that they removed that from both of their websites which is completely my bad.

[young pecan]

Then you have the OS being very clean and user friendly with most consoles disabled and a basic app store.

And a dev OS or mode that enables standard Linux stuff.

Most people do not want to think about Linux in the background, ergo to bring it to mainstream what'd make sense is essentially duplicating the ease of use in IOS with a separate dev mode that people can use to actually make shit.

That would convince a good number of people to buy a PinePhone, especially if you could just upgrade it super easily and for cheap.

Why buy Samsung or Oneplus when this thing exists that's not only cheaper but more powerful and replacement parts don't cost as much?

[vagrant elk]

I was interpreting "end-users" as the same "end-users" System76 targets: Linux nerds. Then again the argument can be made that PopOS is extremely friendly to noobs and so it makes more sense than a mobile Linux device which has issues at the moment.

[young pecan]

I kinda agree. To me end users are people that're tech inclined enough to do basic research on stuff.

LTT will make a big video on it that's going to get millions of eyes.

The people that'll dive into the site and actually look at buying, those are end users.

Linux nerds are a weird hybrid between that and devs.

[vagrant elk]

I know it would be pure speculation but I'd be curious to know how many of those are Linux users already or are okay with researching things on their own and how many don't even know how to use a browser properly or have existing issues with Windows that they can't figure out.

[young pecan]

Oh man that'd be an interesting study.

Ease of adaptation between Linux to Windows.

[pale sigil]

Ngl

Since getting my 3080 I've honestly had an experience where I'd be like I'm so glad I won't have issues running games anymore..

[reef patrol]

[pale sigil]

Even though you go overkill to avoid running into issues

Genes still release half assed

And completely invalidates that reasoning

Even my 1070ti I never felt a struggle playing games, games judt mostly worked rather well.

But now I invest in this beast and bam nearly every game its hot garbage with a promise to be fixed a year after release

It makes me question if modern pc gaming is even worth it anymore

Also I'm cursed

But that's not the main point here since pretty much any benchmark video can back me up

[chrome estuary]

I've got the really annoying issue of just random things running like shit or the weirdest issues. YouTube's home page likes to artifact on me but nothing else will at all.

Minecraft runs like dogshit even with a 2700x and decent amount of ram. Etc etc

[latent mural]

i'm on ryzen and when i throw too much ram at minecraft it stutters like a cunt so maybe that's what's going on

[chrome estuary]

I run recommended amounts of ram and it does that too

[pale sigil]

@reef patrol can custom cables cause stutter and performance issues

Or well extenders

I just thought now

[reef patrol]

Power? No. Risers? In theory, yes.

Especially if you haven't downgraded to Gen3 in BIOS.

[pale sigil]

No

Ones from the psu

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/bitfenix-alchemy-3-x-8-pin-pcie-extension-45cm-sleeved-white-cm-35x-bx.html

These sort of. Cables

[reef patrol]

Literally the first word I responded with.

😏

[pale sigil]

Fair

My cpu has always been a little under normal performance

But quin always said it was fine

I just don't know anymore, it's frustrating

And diagnosing issues just isn't easy without spares

[chrome estuary]

I want a newer CPU to see if that fixes some of my random issues

Like I know emulation would benefit from a newer processor.

[pale sigil]

Like. I could legit run warzone on medium/high and modern Warfare smooth on my 1070ti

[chrome estuary]

or more powerful single core performance at least

[pale sigil]

My 3080? Nah stutter

Oops edited

[chrome estuary]

Minecraft, stutters like hell with even low mod counts.

Control at high with high ray tracing... Just fine.

Metro Exodus Enhanced. Same.

Shadow of Mordor high-ultra. Same

[pale sigil]

Minecraft is pretty normal to stutter

Also DLSS has just never worked decently for me

[chrome estuary]

Hell even Single Player Tarkov ran fine and you had to emulate all the scavs and pmcs on that

Dlss works fine for me

[pale sigil]

ill ttry with red dead two later, cos that used to run perfect

[halcyon moss]

i'm thinking about getting this screen... Usb-c hub with a stronger power delivery (so it can charge my laptop) and 1440p
https://www.lenovo.com/nl/nl/accessories-and-monitors/monitors/office/T27hv-20A20270QT027inch-Monitor-HDMI/p/62A9GAT1EU

shoot it down :p

[vagrant elk]

I'm thinking about getting the Qi Charging case for my PinePhone since it can theoretically charge my phone at 30 watts while USB-C can only charge it at 15 watts. I need to see the final specifications when the case releases to see if it supports what the Qi standard does.

[vagrant elk]

USB hubs are awesome, unfortunately I've always had a bad experience with my monitor hubs so I never use them. They are a great thing to exist though! If you wanted another hub for some reason, the System76 Launch keyboard has one with both USB-C and USB-A.

[halcyon moss]

ok.. why are you recommending me a keyboard? :p im looking for a monitor :p

[vagrant elk]

Sorry, just figured I'd throw it out there because I have met people that want everything to be a USB hub. Kind of weird but I want to cover all the bases.

[reef patrol]

You can never have too many keyboards, Drak. You should know that 😛

[vagrant elk]

What kind of resolution are you after Drakonen?

[vagrant elk]

How many do you have?

[halcyon moss]

1440p

[halcyon moss]

i have... a keychron k3, wooting one (kickstarter), ah tkl cm storm thingy with cherry browns, and a tkl board with cherry mx reds (forgot which brand and type)

[reef patrol]

Last count... 9.

[vagrant elk]

Here's a small list that might help, hopefully it shows you some monitors you haven't looked at yet and some that have the specifications you're looking for.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/best/usb-c

[halcyon moss]

hm ill check it out

after i get the pycharm debugger connected to my nodejs script

[vagrant elk]

You two would be disappointed by my keyboard collection. I have a Wooting One, quite a few Razer keyboards from when I was young (3 or 4 last time I counted, many of which I got for free because I abused Razer Cortex and the Silver program which gave you free stuff for playing games) and one of them was an orbweaver which I absolutely adored when I played WoW, and a keyboard I haven't built yet despite having all of the parts because I'm lazy (Klippe Model T, Marshmallow switches).

[pale sigil]

My collection is pretty much multiple wootings and a 60 these days xD

[vagrant elk]

My Wooting One is used for practically everything just because I enjoy using it so much. It's one of the reasons I've been delaying the keyboard build for so long.

[pale sigil]

I used to have multiple brands but Im not a fan of hording anymore